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Dermot Kennedy _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _528(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 2: Gang.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a singer-songwriter out of Ireland. And Ireland
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most beautiful and complex and simple
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  Speaker 1: places all at the same time. Wonderful time that I
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  Speaker 1: had there recently. I'm really grateful to spend time with them.
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  Speaker 1: I've been a fan for years and we've been in
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  Speaker 1: touch for years and glad to make this happen. He
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  Speaker 1: has had hits like Paradise and Kiss Me, amongst many others.
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  Speaker 1: I got to see him play last night here in Nashville, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is my friend, Dermot Kennedy. Shine that light.
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  Speaker 3: On me I'll sit and tell you my story.
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  Speaker 1: And I will find a song I've.
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  Speaker 3: Been singing since the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Kiss me the way.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry. No, it's okay. I didn't mean, I meant that
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  Speaker 2: for me. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I like that you did it. Dude, yeah, listen, I
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  Speaker 1: think after like the first song last night, I leaned
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  Speaker 1: over here. I was like, God, dude, I might be gay, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is really awesome, man.
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  Speaker 2: It felt so serious. Like I was saying to you afterwards,
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  Speaker 2: it felt like a very serious show. When I play
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  Speaker 2: a headline show, we've got moments that are down and
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  Speaker 2: somber and the moments that are fun and up. When
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  Speaker 2: I do a show like that, like the Bluebird last night,
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  Speaker 2: it's quite, you know, it stays serious. And I haven't
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  Speaker 2: done that in a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Um, and I think crowds sometimes want both. So I
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  Speaker 2: would worry while I'm doing it. If people are kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, this is a lot of seriousness, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Like it feels serious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which it should be. I take it seriously, but it's
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  Speaker 2: just like, I think sometimes you need relief, but I
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  Speaker 2: think then as well, I like having funny moments in
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  Speaker 2: between songs, talking to people. Cause I don't take life
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  Speaker 2: very seriously, but I take the songs very seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. When you like got into the songs, you
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  Speaker 1: were at bluebird cafe last night for our listeners and
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  Speaker 1: that's a small venue. In Nashville, and it's probably, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it may seat 60.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if even, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, we were sitting, I was in
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  Speaker 1: the second row, and I was five feet from Gabe Simon,
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  Speaker 1: who was playing with you, accompanying you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, like, I could have done a couple notes. I
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  Speaker 1: could have.
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  Speaker 2: You could have. You should have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could have chimed. Literally, I could have chimed in. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: would have been nice.
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  Speaker 2: Would have been a very welcome thing i think.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah it was captivating man it was so incredible
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  Speaker 1: i was like yeah it felt so intense in there
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  Speaker 1: at moments you know you could see everybody going through
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  Speaker 1: like i mean i was going through like the history
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  Speaker 1: of like relationships and like i felt bad like after
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  Speaker 1: one song i was like i gotta text this one gal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah well we spend so little you know
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  Speaker 2: i think we kind of in daily life we go
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  Speaker 2: through the motions and i think I would like to
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  Speaker 2: think moments like that, maybe put you in a spot
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  Speaker 2: where you think about life and just assess things a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, you know, I, uh, like that's what it
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  Speaker 2: does for me. I don't know who I'd be without it.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I think sometimes in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the therapy and catharsis I get from it, I
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  Speaker 2: think I take it for granted. 100%. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: who I'd be without that outlet. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And I find it difficult. Sometimes it's tricky. Like last
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  Speaker 2: night started a show. I loved it. End of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I was feeling good in the middle of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of went within myself for some reason, but, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'd be a much worse person if I
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  Speaker 2: had all that emotion kind of bottled up, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Are the Irish notorious for like struggling to show emotion
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  Speaker 1: or something?
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  Speaker 2: I think there's definitely issues in terms of like men
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  Speaker 2: in particular, I think in terms of not opening up
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  Speaker 2: to people, I think it's something that's improving constantly, but, uh,
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  Speaker 2: but definitely. And I think, I mean, it's no surprise
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  Speaker 2: that Ireland has a, Rich history in the arts, because
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  Speaker 2: that's how it comes out, you know what I mean? Authors, actors, musicians, everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it was crazy, dude. It was like, I
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  Speaker 1: went through it all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was sitting there, I was like, I even,
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  Speaker 1: I got home and I texted an ex-girlfriend, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I think I owe you a call, you know?
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  Speaker 2: That's a nice thing, right?
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  Speaker 1: No, it was good. And yeah, I'm glad I did,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, there's a lot of ballads there.
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  Speaker 2: I know, yeah. I was thinking where you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's because you don't have all the instrumental. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I've listened to your albums where it's like you have
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  Speaker 1: the whole... And some of those are upbeat songs and
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  Speaker 1: it's different. But when you're playing them just right there
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  Speaker 1: for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. But even like how you frame something is so important. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I even laughed when you were singing Kiss Me There
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  Speaker 2: a minute ago because that, to me, is one of
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  Speaker 2: the best songs I've made lyrically in terms of how
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  Speaker 2: it's put together.
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  Speaker 1: But I would.
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  Speaker 2: If it was... If I could do it again, it
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  Speaker 2: would just be me and a guitar. It'd be like
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  Speaker 2: last night. You know what I mean? And I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think... You frame things in a certain
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  Speaker 2: way for certain goals and stuff. But when I play
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  Speaker 2: that song by itself, I'm like, oh, it should be
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  Speaker 2: this way. I think it takes courage to take everything
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  Speaker 2: away from a song. And it's only recently I've kind
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  Speaker 2: of got that back. Because like I said last night,
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  Speaker 2: when I would play shows like that when I was younger,
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  Speaker 2: I felt so confident, you know what I mean? Because
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  Speaker 2: I loved that no one knew who I was. And
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  Speaker 2: I loved that I had something to bring to the
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  Speaker 2: table and people might be excited. And I felt, like
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  Speaker 2: I said last night, I felt borderline kind of arrogant
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  Speaker 2: about it. But now when I'm doing it, I got
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  Speaker 2: quite nervous for last night. But if it's like 10,000 people,
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  Speaker 2: I don't get nervous at all. But things like last night,
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  Speaker 2: I do get a bit nervous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just now when you said like, it used to be
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  Speaker 1: nice to be a surprise. Dude, that was the best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's one thing I miss the most about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful for having like people come out and people
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  Speaker 1: get to know you and stuff, but it was awesome
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  Speaker 1: when only you knew you in a way. And you
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  Speaker 1: got to be this, like, you were like, we're always
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  Speaker 1: your secret. Cause you're you, right. And you build up this,
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  Speaker 1: especially as a comedian, you build up this sort of
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  Speaker 1: rapport with how to interact with the world and to
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  Speaker 1: surprise people are like, what, how did, what is this guy?
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  Speaker 1: Like that always seemed interesting to me. And then people
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  Speaker 1: get to know how your instrument works or, It's just
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  Speaker 1: the surprise isn't there anymore and it's different. Totally.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that moment, I'm sure you feel this, like
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  Speaker 2: that moment where you feel like you've arrived and people
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  Speaker 2: know who you are and yeah, no longer do you
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  Speaker 2: surprise people. And so you kind of feel like you
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  Speaker 2: have to change or deviate from what you're doing and
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  Speaker 2: to try and keep that feeling. It's tough. I find
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  Speaker 2: it difficult. I know like, I know for myself personally,
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  Speaker 2: like I remember seeing a thing, an interview with Drake
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  Speaker 2: years ago, and he was just saying that moment where
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  Speaker 2: people are sharing your music and kind of say, you
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  Speaker 2: got to listen to this. You'll never get that back again,
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  Speaker 2: no matter how successful you get. Cause that's the most
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  Speaker 2: exciting part. I don't know. I think like for what
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  Speaker 2: you do, for what I do, for anyone involved in
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  Speaker 2: the arts, I think the work is the only thing
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  Speaker 2: that's exciting. It's the only thing. And of course you
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  Speaker 2: play big shows and you have ambition and you try
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  Speaker 2: and grow your career and all those things are lovely.
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  Speaker 2: But at the root of it, if you're not, Like
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  Speaker 2: I always say, you could be miserable playing in stadiums,
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  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Or you could be
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  Speaker 2: completely content playing shows like last night. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's very important to keep that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I noticed when I have some new stuff and
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  Speaker 1: that is the most exciting time when I'm ready, when
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait till I get to this new part
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  Speaker 1: of the show and it's going to be fun for
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  Speaker 1: me and it's going to be fun for them, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And I'm sure you could play to like 40,000
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  Speaker 2: people and it can go either way. It can be
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  Speaker 2: completely euphoric or it can kind of feel hollow either way.
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  Speaker 2: But it like nothing... the work is the only thing
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good point. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And especially these days, there's so much like, uh, surrounding
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  Speaker 1: things that you have to do to kind of manage yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like social media and just, um, I mean, specifically,
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  Speaker 1: I guess social media probably it's such a big world
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  Speaker 1: of it all.
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  Speaker 2: Do you get involved with that side of things? Do
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  Speaker 2: you run your own stuff and all that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, no, I split it with my producers and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but you know, I'm particular kind of about
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  Speaker 1: what we put out and like, try to be sensitive or,
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  Speaker 1: Try to think, okay, this feels like me. Sometimes they're like, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is good. And I don't have an idea. Of course. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so trusting other people sometimes, that's with your own voice,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Totally.
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  Speaker 2: I think I find it hard sometimes. I spend way
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  Speaker 2: too much time worrying about how I'm perceived. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? Oh, yeah. And I think things like
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  Speaker 2: social media only make that more kind of inflamed. And then, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you just get closer to forgetting what you're actually truly about.
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  Speaker 2: So I try and stay away.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it's healthy sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, before this conversation gets any gayer, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And no offense if it does, dude. I think Irish people.
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  Speaker 2: No offense to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah, yeah. No, and probably me, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look. Who knows what'll happen with us. But
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, dude, the Irish are... I couldn't believe
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  Speaker 1: what the Irish were. I always had an idea.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't your first time there though, recently.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't, but it was my first time really with
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  Speaker 1: my eyes open.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw you in a field with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of cows. Where was that?
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  Speaker 1: I was down in Court County.
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  Speaker 2: Brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you'll milk anything down there, people. Yeah, yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: there's no women. This is the thing about how people
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  Speaker 1: are always like, oh, the girls are coming. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to be here. And you'll be, you'll go to the
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  Speaker 1: next place. You're not, are coming. The losses are coming.
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  Speaker 2: It's a false promise.
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  Speaker 1: They never come. Who made all the men? Who, how
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  Speaker 1: did they, what did they fall out of?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're the ones that stuck around, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, here I am.
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  Speaker 1: This is some women we met. It was like unbelievable, dude. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: these are some drunken mixed fellows that we met out there, dude.
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  Speaker 1: These are the blackest guys I saw in Ireland right here.
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  Speaker 2: Were you invited to this field?
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  Speaker 1: No, we got there and we wanted to like just
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  Speaker 1: drive out into the distance. And so we stopped at
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  Speaker 1: a farm and a man took us and showed us
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  Speaker 1: all about the dairy and gave us fresh milk or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Do you drink the milk straight from the cow?
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  Speaker 1: We drank it straight out of it. I mean, it felt,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how old the cow was. It felt
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  Speaker 1: a little illegal. I'll be honest with you. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the first sip, yeah, it's normal. But if you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had a couple of sips and I'm like, you
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  Speaker 1: definitely peek around for the police after a bit, you know?
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  Speaker 1: But it was, yeah, it was just unbelievable. We just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to see the countryside. We wanted to feel something
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  Speaker 1: that felt normal. a farmer took us into his home
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  Speaker 1: and sat at his table.
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  Speaker 2: No way. Yeah. I'm glad you got around the country.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people go to Dublin for
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  Speaker 2: two or three days and they just experienced that. But
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  Speaker 2: Ireland is a beautiful place and you can, you can
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  Speaker 2: see so much of it in like a couple hours,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It's a small country. So.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you have to see it. Cause if you
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  Speaker 1: ask somebody something, you can't understand what they're saying. And
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  Speaker 1: so you just, you have to just believe that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be okay when you meet a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Irish people. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They love you too. Did you like, you had good shows?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I felt a lot of love and support.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it was awesome, you know, I think. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just such a unique culture. Like they just, they have
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  Speaker 1: a good time. They know how to have a good time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're not as overly concerned with a lot of other
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  Speaker 1: bullshit like as we are in the States, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely not. Like if I go on tour in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: I feel a similar thing. People just don't take it
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  Speaker 2: too seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've been down there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah australia is so great man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah similar thing people just there's no bullshit you feel
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  Speaker 2: good energy from people.
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  Speaker 1: But i have a comedian friend mark hayes and he's
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  Speaker 1: irish and so he's always queuing me in on just
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  Speaker 1: like the shame of the irish and the yeah you
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  Speaker 1: know the dark you know i guess there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of shame over there i.
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  Speaker 2: Guess there is but also this i don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you heard this phrase earlier there about notions this idea
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  Speaker 2: that when you start doing well at anything, you get notions,
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  Speaker 2: like you kind of start feeling yourself a bit and
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  Speaker 2: you have to be very careful of that. I think humility,
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  Speaker 2: like you see Irish people who just won medals at
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics, they just kind of, in the interviews, they're
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  Speaker 2: just like, no, no, no, I stink. They're so mean
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  Speaker 2: to themselves. It's terrible. But yeah, a happy medium would
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  Speaker 2: be good. I think sometimes you kind of are constantly
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  Speaker 2: downplaying what you do. And I think it would be
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  Speaker 2: nice if people celebrated themselves a bit more, but notions
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  Speaker 2: is a real thing. I know, like people have said
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  Speaker 2: about me, You get to a certain point and some
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  Speaker 2: people just don't like you for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could maybe see that. Because there's this more
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  Speaker 1: unity of us as a group.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember there was a thing years ago.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was Damien Rice told this story. They
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  Speaker 2: were in a restaurant and there was lobsters in a...
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  Speaker 2: And who was Damien Rice? He's a brilliant musician from Ireland.
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  Speaker 2: He had a song called Cannonball and an album called Oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's like a classic. But he was talking about lobsters
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  Speaker 2: in a tank. I think it was him. I don't
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  Speaker 2: mean to attribute this quote to him if it's not him.
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  Speaker 2: But he was... Apparently there was like a lobster trying
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  Speaker 2: to get out and, uh, and another one, he was
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, oh, careful. It's going to get out.
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  Speaker 2: And someone was like, no, they're Irish lobsters. So the
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  Speaker 2: other ones are like, drag it back down.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Apparently. The shellfish.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah. I love it. You feel massive
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  Speaker 2: support too. Don't get me wrong. Like it's the best
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  Speaker 2: place in the world for doing anything. Cause people just
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  Speaker 2: were so quick to celebrate our own. And I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. What's that article right there?
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  Speaker 1: It was about an Olympian Irish rowers, brilliant response to
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  Speaker 1: winning an Olympic gold medal goes viral.
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  Speaker 2: It's all right. Yeah. I can't complain.
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  Speaker 1: In a BBC interview following the win, the pair were asked,
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  Speaker 1: Paul O'Donovan, Fenton McCarthy, gold medal winning athletes, how does
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: that sound? It's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: complain about it, really. I wouldn't go around introducing myself. Yeah,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: it's that type of thing. You wouldn't talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But I love that, too, because we do take care
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: of business, but don't talk about it too much.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bit more humility.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, there was so much like, there was something
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: you said last night. that I really resonated with. It
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: was about like, um, wishing you could slow down time
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: or grab onto a moment a little bit more and
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: just how like impossible it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: And like what a fight it is. Yeah.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: I'm crap at it. What about you? I can't like I,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: when things are good, I don't know. I feel like I'm,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: sometimes I feel as if I'm waiting for something bad
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  Speaker 2: to happen. You know what I mean? Like you're almost
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: like just sort of waiting for bad news or bad
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: phone call or something. I don't know. instead of just
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: enjoying the fact that it's good right now. I feel
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: very bad at that. And again, music puts me in
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: a better place, but yeah, I feel that way. I
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: find it very difficult to settle into a good feeling.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's hard. I mean, the moment, it's
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: hard to have the moment you used to, I've talked
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: about this before, but you used to, with the moment,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: the moment used to be like a real thing because
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: we couldn't record it all the time, right? We couldn't
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: capture it. So the moment, it was like, it had
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: so much value. The only way you were gonna learn
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: about what had happened was through someone else, through a storyteller.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: So it promoted so much more storytelling. It's like cameras
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: have taken all that away from us. Not all the
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: time and not all of it, but it's definitely, it's like,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: squashed a lot of that, you know, in the moment,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: if you got to see a girl, like at school,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: you couldn't go home and look at pictures of her.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: You had to imagine what she was doing. And mostly
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: in your mind, you imagine, oh, she's thinking to me,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: she's drawing pictures of me in the walls and everything.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: And then you got to school the next day and
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: she still didn't care about you. Yeah.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Or like you would see that they're online and they're
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: not texting you.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: That type of thing. Yeah. Squashed.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think like there's like stuff like that.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I miss cause your imagination. became so much more of a, um,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: it did its natural work.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think about it.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Like I, that's my livelihood comes from my imagination. You
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? That's all I have. And so, yeah,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: you gotta be careful. I think what you put in
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: is very important. Like if I read, I can feel
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: it sort of, I can feel ideas start to generate.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: If I walk around just all day and stay just
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: literally looking at the most boring stuff, I can feel
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: ideas start to come, but I gotta be careful and
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: not let it get squashed.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: All the time. Like, what do you mean? Like by.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Like get squashed by what?
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: As in like, if I look at my phone too much,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: it's just sludge in my brain. Do you know what
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I mean? And it's just bad thoughts and stupid stuff.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: And so like no good song is going to come
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: out of that. But also I spend so much time
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: traveling by myself and all that kind of thing. So
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: it's a, yeah, to stay creative, I find it difficult.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like I know, like we were in
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: your car last week and you were kind of saying,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: you thought of something and you were like, oh, I
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: need to write that down. And it's that constantly, right?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: You're constantly trying to grab that thing and that moment
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: of inspiration or something that can translate to part of
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: your show.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you notice, especially like a phrase or a thing,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I've never said that, or I never
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: thought about that. After a while, I notice it's like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: if it makes me laugh, then it might make somebody
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: else laugh. So I have to like, you know, because
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: at this point, you have to think maybe you and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: your audience have some like symbiosis or whatever it's called.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: We're similar people, yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're similar. Definitely. And so, yeah, if they told you,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you know, this thing you just heard or, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: so you're like, oh, this will probably... this will probably play. Um,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: do you base songs? Like, do you kind of start
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: with like a nugget of a line?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah. I find it hard when someone's kind of like,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: what you want to write about is like, I don't
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: know yet. Like I have, I'll have a lyric in
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: a song last night. So the first song I played
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: is called an evening. I'll not forget. And I know
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of lyrics in that from the best
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: days of my life and from the worst days of
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: my life. And they just mix together. So I struggle
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: sometimes when someone's like, what's this song about or what
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you want to write about? It's everything, you know, like
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: there'll be one lyric about like hanging out with my
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: friends and one lyric about someone passing away and difficult
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: things all mixed in together, but it all kind of,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes when I, and this is overly serious,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: but I think like the one lasting message through my music,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: hopefully is like a hopeful thing. You know what I mean?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So if a song seems down, it's never all the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: way down. There's always a hopeful moment. And if it's up,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: it just, I'm trying to lift people up a little bit.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I would, I would like, if I could have a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: goal from people coming to my show is just, they
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: feel a bit better about where they're at and how
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: their life is. Um, and not in a corny way,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: but just that they kind of think about things and
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: realize that life is good a little bit. I would
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Even a down moment in Ireland is pretty good, probably,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: The Irish are like, oh, yeah, we'll take it. Oh, definitely.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people are good. We kind of, yeah, like I even,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just, when I get too far
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: from home, I kind of miss that feeling. I don't know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: There's so many people that are happy-go-lucky good people. I'm
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: sure you saw tons of them, but just, yeah. So
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that's what I mean is between songs, I don't feel
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: serious like, We're all on in-ear monitors on stage. And
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in between songs when we're on tour, it's relentless. People
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: shouting at each other. And we're all just communicating on stage.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: It's just people taking the piss out of me while
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I'm doing something. Yeah, so I'm trying to sing through
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: all of that. Everybody on stage will be slagging me
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: in some way or my ears while I'm trying to
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: say something really sincere. And then I'll laugh, and the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: whole crowd will kind of cheer because I look happy.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: But it's really because someone's slagging me about something, yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, there's nobody likes to laugh more
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I think than the Irish maybe. Maybe that's something that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I realized. I was just so, yeah, people just laugh
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: love to fucking laugh there.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: It's very sarcastic. Yes.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: They love to rip on each other, and it's okay.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: They don't take things as personally.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: No.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way that sometimes... I'll say something sarcastic
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: over here, and it doesn't necessarily land, and people think
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I'm quite serious about it, so you have to be careful, yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the songs last night, it was like.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them felt like kind of relationship
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: based or trying to like capture, um, a moment from
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a relationship or relive a relationship or where does some
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: of that energy come from? Does it just, do you
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: feel like that that's like been something that's been very
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: important in your life? I mean, it's important in a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: lot of people's lives.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think like, I think even the relationships, you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: sometimes the bachelor or something. No, I was meant to sing.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: What was I meant to sing on? I was meant
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: to sing on the bachelorette years ago and it fell through.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Thank God. Yeah. I, uh, But I was.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because after some of the songs, I'm like, Jesus,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: how many... No, yeah. You think like there's a... This
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: guy's been, yeah. Like this guy's been on a lot
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of dates.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: No, that couldn't be further from the truth. But I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: think sometimes I'll sing a song and it'll be from
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the perspective of anybody, you know, like a family member.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll just embody someone else in my life. I
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: think it's an interesting thought, right? To think that my community,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: say my close friends and my family at home, we
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: all have the same feelings and emotions. It's just I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: sing about it. Do you know what I mean? And
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: so sometimes I feel like a mouthpiece for them.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: You know? And that puts me in a good place
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: because I'm not thinking about my own life all the time.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So that's where all the dates come from. I've been
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: on very few.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, oh, were you not, were you not a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: big dater growing up really?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: No. Oh man. I was like, I'd say people went
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to school with me.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. It was supply and demand.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I always, that's not your issue.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, uh, I say this, a lot of people
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: went to school with me who have like, if they
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: watch this would hear me speak for the first time. Wow. Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: What did you hate? Like the public speaking of it
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: or something?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Public, not even public speaking, but just, I just felt
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: so awkward in school, you know, like we used to,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: we used to like go to, you know, the way
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you'd have your locker at school and you would get
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: your books for the first half of the day and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: then get your books for the second and like drop
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: them off. I would walk around with every book for
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the whole day in my bag. So I didn't have
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to go to the lockers for that potential interaction. I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: hated it, man. Yeah. Not good.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: God. And is that a kind of a general Irish thing?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't know what it was
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in me, but I just felt quiet. I didn't, even
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: nowadays I kind of feel that way. Um, I think
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: it's lovely. Like I'll talk to you and I know
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we can talk about things and get into it, but
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: just general socializing, I suck at it. And I, you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you get to an age where you don't apologize for
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: it and you don't care anymore. But, um, when I
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: was a kid, yeah, I hated it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I got so nervous around girls. I just remember, Well,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: on the school bus, I would get like erections all
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the time, I guess, because of like the motor going.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And they would play like music that we weren't allowed
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to listen to at home. It was like kind of
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: not sexy music, but just radio pop music or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: And so I would just have to like, I just
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: would turn my whole body just like facing. Just, and like.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, just a constant state of arousal in school.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: You mean that was just on the bus, dude. When
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I got to school, I think there was so much
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like violence and stuff at our school that
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it was hard to stay erect around a lot of violence. Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: If there's broken glass or somebody getting beaten, I can't
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: get an erection, you know?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Nor should you. Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm old fashioned or whatever, but it's like, yeah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I just, yeah. So, but yeah, around girls.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I was always afraid. Never could ask a girl to
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a dance or anything. This one girl, man, I loved her.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I think I did anyway.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I looked at her really hard every day. And I, yeah, finally,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I just, I needed to express to her how I felt.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And I saved up as much saliva in my mouth
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: as I could one day. And I just spit it
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: right into her hair.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, lovely.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like an animal. Just like, you know what I'm saying?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every primal thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all I.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you lost control.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I lost control.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, I don't know. I couldn't, like those
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: situations didn't even come up for me. I would just hide.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I remember there was a girl that used to kind
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of fancy me, I guess. And it got to the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: point where I like stopped putting gel on my hair
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and stuff because I was like, I need to look
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: scruffier for school so no one pays attention.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Weird, right?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Like, I got to tone this down.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, too good, man. Yeah, I can't be like this.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Back into the more. Yeah, just hide in the corner constantly.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: What is a more, anyway?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: More is like a British thing, I guess. Oh, I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: thought it was like a swamp, is it? In my mind,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I would think of a misty more. Yeah, it's like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: a swamp in the middle of nowhere. It makes me
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: think of Jack the Ripper. Oh, yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And was that you guys' guy, Jack the Ripper?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. We don't claim Jack.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Who's your most famous serial killer over there?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Well, besides alcoholism, I'm going to say, if you, if
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you look at, there's a great podcast called West Cork
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and you could think it's fiction, but it's a true story.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Now it's not a serial killer. It's one standalone murder.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: There's very few things like that, but, uh, but it's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: an amazing story. And it's about this lady that was
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: killed in Cork, in West Cork, uh, by the ocean, uh,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: horrific thing years and years ago, but they still haven't
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: found the person that did it. And you know how
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Ireland is like, there's a lot of talk in the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: town about who did it. And even up until recently,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the fellow that they thought did it was like selling
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: pizzas in the market and stuff. And everyone would go
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: just to see him and all that kind of stuff.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: But no, I mean, I know I'm wrong, but I
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: don't think there's many serial killers. I know here you've
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: got classics, but.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. People, it's definitely, we kill,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more we kill over here.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Who's your favorite?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: My favorite serial killer? That's a great question, man. You know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: there was the, BTK serial killer who's that he was
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: out of um Wichita Miss Wichita Kansas and yeah he
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: was like an electrician he ran um he ran like
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: his community church and he was just killing people.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: They're all like weirdly handsome as well aren't they not him.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Not him uh well we've had some of the handsome
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: ones Ted Bundy I believe was the handsome guy you
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: know Dahmer was a famous one. That show was pretty great.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess, I don't know. I should think
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: about that a little bit more, who my favorite one is.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's very few things like that in Ireland.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: It's like a small country.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Well, and you also, yeah, you'd rather, if you kill somebody,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to drink anymore.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true. So true.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, we got to keep this guy alive.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: We got to keep the pub in service.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Local commerce, yeah. Yeah.
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• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's rolling the dice on a new workout class
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and seeing if you like it. Or mixing it up
• 28:25
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  Speaker 1: to get a doctor's appointment. Yeah, so was there like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: so where does some of that influence thing come from?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of the, cause it's a lot of like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you know, there's some love stories there kind of.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Definitely, but like tons of hip hop. I'm listening to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: hip hop 99% of the time.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, you are? Yeah, like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I've been, I remember my friend had 50 cents first
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: album and that was just huge for me. And it's
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: funny because I listened to it all the time and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I never try and let it influence my music too much.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Cause I'd just be pretending to be a rapper and
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: that would be ridiculous, but it does influence the way
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I write. Like I'll write verses in a hip hop
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: type way and no one really knows or acknowledges it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: But to me, I can feel the flow. If there's
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: no beat or anything, there may be no drums or whatever,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: but it's just, to me, that's written in a hip
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: hop way. Like if I could, yeah, I would love
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to get certain features and stuff. That would be my favorite.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I feel like that could easily happen,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: especially now because there's so many, there's a lot more
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: featuring now, it feels like.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. It's important. J. Cole to me is like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: number one. That would be like an incredible thing to me.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I would love that so much.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Did you, you're here working in Nashville right now on music.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Have you met up with other artists while you've been here?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: A little bit, yeah. It's funny, you know, because like
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you said, Gabe Simon and Joshua were with me at
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the show last night in the Bluebird. But also the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: idea is you kind of, you kind of have your
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: friends with you playing songs and it's like, you go
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: back and forth. I'll do a song, you do a song,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: they do a song. But like, I don't have friends
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: like that. Do you know what I mean? I kind
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: of feel quite solitary when I go to these places.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes, you know, there's sometimes people have tons of
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: features and have tons of friends on songs. I feel
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: quite content in this way, but like a bit of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: a loner in the music biz. I feel like I
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: kind of go about my business in a, in a,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: in a lonery way, which is fine. I'm okay with that.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: And I love people. I think they're incredible. I think
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the other artists in my genre and that are doing well,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I absolutely love them. But I, I oftentimes, if I'm
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: doing the thing like last night, I'm just like, I'll
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: do it by myself. It'll be fine. Oh yeah, definitely.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Is it just, and it's not really a choice that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you don't want to work with other people. It's just
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: kind of like, this has been going fine. This is
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: how I'm doing. Do you feel like you don't want
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to bother other people ever?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, yes, definitely. And I also, I don't want to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: be kind of, I don't want to seem as though
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I'm reaching out to somebody for their clout or whatever,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you know? I don't want to seem sweaty about it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think you could seem like that. Nice one, yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't think, just, you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know you super well, but we've gotten hung
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: out a few times. I don't think that you could
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: seem like that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: It doesn't help anything, but no, no, no. But you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: when you can, I'm working with Jay Cole, but I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: think you easily could. I mean, we went out the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: other night and Zach Brown saw you and he was like, I,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you know, immediately he brought you onto his show.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank you for that. He said that immediately. He
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: didn't think at all. It was cool.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: He just was like, so excited to see you.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: We, we randomly ran in and we were at the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: red clay strays and yeah, there you are right now.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I saw that video. It gave me chills, dude.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: It was nuts. We had, it was funny, I lingered
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: for so long because we, he said, we rehearsed it
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: beforehand and he was like, I'll sing the outro verse.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: He said, you sing the first half of the outro verse,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I'll sing the second half. I was like, perfect. So
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I sang my bit, then went and hid away with
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the bongo player for a while. And then the outro
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: verse came along and I walked back out to the
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: walkway and I was like, all right, sweet, here we go.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: And then he started singing the outro verse. I was like,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: oh no, now I'm just standing here. So. into like
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: being an awkward person. I was like, I'm just standing
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: here in front of 70,000 people. Yeah. With nothing to do.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I should have been gone ages ago. Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He was lovely though.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: God, that's so cool looking dude.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: It's nice. It's the best thing. I don't get nervous
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: for that, which is weird.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh man.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: That yeah. Karaoke makes me so sad. I could not
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: even imagine having to sing in front of people. Um,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So when did you start to learn that you had
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: singing talent? I mean, I know that some of this
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: will be like elementary stuff to you, but for some
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: audience that doesn't know you, you know, so like, yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: When did you start to learn that? Cause how do
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you go from being like this sort of like, like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: like not recluse, but sort of this like.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Quiet kid.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Shadow lurkering.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Good guy. Yeah, we don't want to make it sound
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like a villain, but sort of this guy who's this
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: patient person. How do you go from that to being
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: able to express yourself? Because dude, yeah, when you start,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of levels to what you do. Sometimes
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's some Mac Miller. Sometimes I feel
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: like there's like this Dr. Seuss of like Irish funerals
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: going on. There's so many. And then sometimes it's just
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: like this, you almost feel like you're at a opera
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: or something, you know? So it's really impressive.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Nice one, man. Thank you.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I try and do a few different things, but I
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: remember my sister played piano and she still does when
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: we were kids and classic thing. I would just sing
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in the back of the car. And I remember my mom,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I was just loud, you know, I'm still loud. And I, uh,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I just started figuring out, I played soccer
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: quite seriously when I was a kid. seriously in my head. And, uh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and so music was like a secondary thing. So I
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: never worried about playing to people cause I was, I
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: was thinking about playing football. So I, uh, I would always,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: it came quite easy to me to play to people
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: cause I didn't see it as being that important the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: first few times, you know? And, uh, and so, yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: it just gradually became a thing. I started realizing I
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: wanted to write music. I go into town and like
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: do open mics and stuff.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, you would?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like Dublin's so supportive. That's what I mean. It's like,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I know I was talking about notions and all that
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but it's just like, it's a nice place.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I was 15, 16 playing in these pubs and people
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: would do anything to help you. You know, I don't
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: know what it's like in the States.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: No, that Irish will do anything.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they just, if they see some potential in you,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: they'll just kind of say, I know this person, I
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: know that person, be careful with this and dah, dah, dah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And lots of advice and all that kind of thing. So, um, yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: just gradually, I mean, like I'm 32 now, so like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I've been doing this since I was 19, I guess,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So it's a long road.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And I know we were talking about the red clay
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: strays and how they put time in. And I think
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: if you get to a certain level, there's very few
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: people haven't had that journey. Do you know what I mean?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I know you had Luke Combs on here. I know
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: everybody's got their journey in music, but like there's so
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: much time you spend knowing you're good and being frustrated
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: that you don't have a career. You know what I mean?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: So I think you just have to be patient. It's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: so like, it's so silly to me. It's so kind
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of arbitrary in a way, because it's like, it's this
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: thing where you're, Like you said, like you're lurking in
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the shadows, knowing you're good. And, but no one's paying attention.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And then out of nowhere, people decide you're just really good.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, I knew that before.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But it just takes time.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. That is such a fine line. There's a.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Like, what's it like for you? You know what I mean?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Like when you knew you had this potential, but.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: People didn't know you were. Yeah, I thought that I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: was funny. I think I was sitting on a porch
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: one day at school, in college, and this kid's like,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you should do stand-up comedy, man. And I was like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: fuck you, dude. You're an idiot, right? And the guy
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was an idiot. Mm-hmm. So I was right. But yeah,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: eventually I started doing comedy, you know? But yeah, there
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: were times you start to do good, yeah, and then
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you're like, why? You know, you see other people like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I'm doing, but I think a lot of it's just
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: time and it's like, yeah, like weathering that storm. And
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: then weathering that storm of like other people's careers have
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: been going, they have to have their successes.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And so that's just the way that time works.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Do you find that hard sometimes when you see people
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: like having massive moments?
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I know you are too, so it's probably made easier
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: by that, of course.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I definitely did earlier on, you know, and then, yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: now it's like, you know, we're able to sell out
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a club and able to sell out some spots. So
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: once you can kind of do that, you start to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: feel a little bit more like in control, like at least, okay,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: at least I'm doing my job. I think that's part
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of it too. It's like, hell, it's hard to admit
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to somebody that you're a comedian. Like, You know, because
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: everybody's funny and everybody has good stories, especially being from Louisiana. So, like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: they don't even have any comedy clubs in Louisiana because
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: people are so funny just talking to them.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm not going to go pay $ 7
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and go in that, you know, booze hole.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: When my friend is funnier than I am.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when it's fucking, yeah. Well, fucking Randy out here.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Did you spend a lot of time sort of doing
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: sets and clubs with just tough ones? Oh, yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for years, man. Yeah, I would drive and do
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: all the sets. Yeah, I think there was a part
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of me that wanted to be good at it. Of course.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And then I think, after a while, I think the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: art chooses you because I didn't end up getting married.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a child. So those things didn't kind
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of like start to take up my time. So I
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: was still available for it, you know?
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's a moment kind of where
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: some of the art chooses you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I keep thinking about you spitting on that girl's head.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Terrible times.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: God, if she only knew. And I tried to, I think,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: draw a heart when I spit or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Tried to save it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I tried to do something. I remember just doing like
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that a little or something. I don't know. I wanted
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to be kind of artistic. I don't fucking know. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that was the only way I could express myself.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I know what you mean about the saliva. I find
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: it even when I'm doing this, you know?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, man.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what were we talking about?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: But it's been good. I've loved being here, honestly.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Have you?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: It's a good place making music.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good place.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I think... Yeah, and I think if you don't... You
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: have to kind of like put yourself out there some here.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And if you like to do kind of your own thing...
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, your music does feel very important to you,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: like you said, right? Like the stuff you're not trying
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to go for like... It doesn't seem like some pop
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: thing or trying to like read a bunch of other
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: people's music. songs that they've written.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: It seems like you're trying to make your, your voice.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If it was like someone else, you know, there'd
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: be no point. There's people I'm a fan of and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: there's people I'm inspired by, but you've got to take
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: a mix of all that and make your own thing
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: yeah otherwise.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It's boring because that's a big part of the culture
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: here is like all the big songwriter groups yeah and
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: then they service the musicians you.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Know totally and you got to be careful because you
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: find you like i've written songs where i'm like oh
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: no that's too like this person there's there's no place
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: in the world for that i think it's funny sometimes
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you'll have people kind of See, I remember we were
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: talking about Lewis Capaldi the other day. I remember for
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a long time, I was kind of pushing to do
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: just piano and vocal. And it never really worked out.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And then he had his massive song. I was getting
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: kind of used to being someone you loved. And then
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I remember someone in my team that I worked with
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: was kind of like, oh, I was thinking like maybe
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: piano and vocal. And I was like, this is so obvious.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Like he did that already. So like it's so senseless
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: that I would go and do that unless it felt right.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: But this idea of just like, copying something else that
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: did well is weird and we'll never get the right results.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I think you see a lot of that with music.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: You see like someone, um, breaks out of the pack.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of other people that start
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to sound just like them. Oh, totally.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: You see it now, like say Noah Cannon, Zach Bryan,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: like having these huge moments. I'm inspired by it, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I have to make sure I do my own thing
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and don't sort of, what's the word? Try and replicate it,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Cause you'll just end up on your ass. Yeah.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah. Because then you're just like, oh he
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: sounds like this person.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Totally and the reason it works for them is because
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: they are them and they're uniquely them and people are
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: drawn to that definitely i think even like the the
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: attitude that's contained within your music like you see zach
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: bryan like the recordings and everything they're quite what's the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: word like they're so rough and ready but people are
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: drawn to that everything's so perfect nowadays so people just
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: like that if he's literally just pressing record and That
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: take is that take. I think it's incredible. Again, I
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: heard Luke Combs kind of say they'll go in and
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: do five songs in an evening. I think that's beautiful.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I've been in situations now where things can get quite
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: fragmented and you're kind of like, okay, we'll do piano,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: then do vocal. It's all quite polished and put together.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: So I want to get back to that side of things. Definitely.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that feels like a challenge. I think that's a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: challenge in any art, you know? How do I stay me?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And then how do I stay me as I change?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And then is it okay to still be me? This
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: changed me at the risk of that the people who
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: are paying attention to me won't, will understand.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Totally. And I get to hide behind the music. Like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: in your line of work, I think you are your brand, right?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: So like changing has got to be a whole different thing.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like I can change
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: my music all I like and I'll still be me
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: underneath it. But like I find for comedians or people
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that do what you do, it's tough because, because your
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: name is the whole thing, right? You know, like, like
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: if you change as a person, people will kind of
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: could criticize, could enjoy it, whatever. Yeah.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Or like, but to not even evolve, I think, right? Like,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the thing that I'm thinking
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: of is like, like a guy told me one time,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: he's a manager. He's worked at a fancy management company
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. And he said, you know, your audience
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: will grow up with you. So, you have to grow
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: up as well, or it can get kind of stale.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was just interesting. Yeah, that's kind
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: of true. If I be afraid to change or don't
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: grow up, then they're going to grow up past me.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, I get that with music, too. Oh, yeah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: You try and sort of think about what age you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: were when people first started listening to your music and
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: then change with that. 50 Cent's a good example. He always...
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: He stopped making music sometimes because he was just like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: it's not relevant to those people anymore. It's interesting.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think. Yeah, there's some like, there's
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit of Zach. Brian, I want to hear
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: this a little bit of James Blake, but it's you.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It definitely felt like this guy at the shipyard who's
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: just going to fucking show you what's going on. I
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: hope so. You know?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: My voice was blown out too last night. And his girl,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: she better pay attention. Yeah, yeah. It's not like that. Yeah,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: it's stories. And if he goes out on the boat
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: with you to fish or crab or whatever, he's going
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to be a little loud sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I got told I even talk too loud. A speech
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: therapist recently was like, you need to relax.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Constantly, yeah. Yeah, they said like, because I have trouble
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: with my voice sometimes. Even last night, my voice kind
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: of went about halfway through. And I don't know how
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: to not go full beans constantly.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: You must get so many, dude, every girl I know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: my brother's wife, my ex-girlfriend, every woman is looking for you.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you, I'm sure you have,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: how many ring cameras do you have?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the cameras in the house at home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: it's just people can connect to real feelings.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the feelings, yeah.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I saw you. You were nodding along. Oh, I was.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I had one song. That had rhythm in it last night, right?
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, there was a couple moments. You hit some rhythm. Yeah,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, yeah. When it's not like the whole
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: band and it's just you, that's a lot of pressure.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you had the boys with you there.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: The poet, Joshua. Yeah. He was great.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Dude, he was at my show in Halifax, I'll tell
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: you that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Was he at the show?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Because he said he bumped into you on the flight. Yeah,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't know he was at the show.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he came to the show in Halifax in the morning.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm on the plane.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Brilliant.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: He said, hey, I was at your show last night.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're heading to the U.S.? He's like, yeah,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to play with Dermot Kennedy. I said, oh,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm actually going to his show.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And so I'll see you there tomorrow.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's a nice guy. He was so much more
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: confident than me. He, uh, he was funny.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: He's 22 as well. So it's just like, yeah, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think, I think that's a difficult gig
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: when it's just spoken, you know, the music, you can
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: hide behind it and stuff, but when it's just spoken word,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: that's not easy.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it added this element of like, um, because
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: last night, so just for the listeners, so there was, um, Dermot,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: there was, uh, Gabe Simon accompanying him on guitar and
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: mandolin and some different instruments. And, um, and there was
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Joshua Deschuter, and he's a poet, and he was kind
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of reading lines at certain points.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: And he had sort of tailored his poetry to fit
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: around the songs. It was just cool. I don't know. Yeah,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: it was cool. I know when I was that age,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I kind of was dying to do things like that,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: so I was excited to work with him, yeah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was super cool. How did you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: find him?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Instagram. I saw him doing a poem. He had a
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: really cool poem. I couldn't even point it out now,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: but he had a really cool poem about two people
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: who every night in a cemetery they come up out
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: of their graves and one guy was really rich and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: one guy was really poor and just, it's this beautiful
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: poem about like not forgetting what's important in life. So
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I thought it was cool. I think there's a lot of,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of bullshit poetry on Instagram
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: and I think he's not that, so that's why. Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like even just having a younger person, it
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: like added this element of like nervous energy and approach
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to the world, which was like such a dichotomy to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: kind of some of your music, you know, some of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's more like uh, I don't
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: think a young person could even write something, you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I think you have to have some experience,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I definitely think about that now, even like having any
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: degree of success, I feel better equipped now. You know, I,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I used to be annoyed that I wasn't getting gigs
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and stuff, but I guess I'm glad it happened the
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: way it did. Cause now I, I, even as a
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: person just in society, I try not to, you know, you,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you learn how to not take shit from people and
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: you learn who you are in the world a little bit.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I'd be scared if I was 22 doing this, you
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, having like a lot of success at that age.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Just anything, any kind of traction, yeah. And someone was,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: like I feel like I'm easily led or gullible even
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: at this age, so I don't know what I'd be
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: like if I was younger, yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems kind of risque out there. I want
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to think more about Ireland, dude. Do they have, oh,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: somebody said the Irish started Halloween. Is that true?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because what is it?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It sort of translates like the night of the lost
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: souls or something like that. I'm not sure. But yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Irish people, Ireland's very, Pagan and sort of a lot
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: of things like that.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: The dead are very important. The dead are very important.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: You know the thing like Coco?
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: In those movies.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: That's the Mexican dead, right?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It feels like there's similarities in that sense. There's
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: like the Celtic Sound Festival. Wow. Actually, I was talking
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: about it last night at the gig. The island my
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: auntie lives on. Halloween's really important and it's all the
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: lost souls and stuff. Didn't you?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: What is it called?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Inishmore.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Inishmore.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I thought her name's Deirdre. I thought you were about
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: to say her name. I was like, you know my
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: auntie Deirdre. But they have these traditions, you know, where
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: there's very few people live on the island. It's like,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I'd be bullshitting, maybe a few hundred people kind of thing.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: And there's this tradition where someone, someone you know will
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: knock on your door and they're kind of allowed, walk
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: around your house in silence and open drawers and close
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: drawers and, And then leave. And then later on, everyone's
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: in the pub and you don't know who is in
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: your house. So it's this kind of, there's all these
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: creepy traditions.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: But Ireland started Halloween.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's guessing.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Halloween was invented in Ireland. The roots of Halloween can
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: be traced back 2000 years to the Celtic Samhain.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Samhain.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Samhain.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think those things are important in Ireland, like
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: ghosts and all that kind of thing. Do you believe
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: in ghosts?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, dude.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: From Louisiana. We got fucking ghosts over there, dude.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, true.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Everybody's, yeah. Everybody's eating ghosts. trout or something you
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: know even you'll hear a ghost eating something yeah yeah
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: yeah like a lot of we have fat ghosts down
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: there like you'll be at the hospital and be like
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: yeah there's a ghost in the other.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: In the other ward yeah yeah he broke his legs
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: new orleans is louisiana right yeah ghosts are like that's
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: a ghost town right.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: It's a ghost yeah there's ghost tours about yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah and the crazy thing you'll be on a ghost
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: tour somebody will get murdered because it's so dangerous there
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that then another ghost will show up. You're like, oh damn,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that's Reginald. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew him. Yeah, they just,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: he just got here. He's fresh.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of like that sort of
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: energy there. There's tons of ghost tours and stuff like that.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: We had a dude in our town who got busted
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: by the cops for being a ghost, dude. So this
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: family owned, they bought, like, a Ramada. What's that? It's
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: a small motel.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: And it used to be nice, and now it's still nice,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: but it's not like swanky. And they were trying to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: make it on the ghost tour. So when people came
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: to America to go learn about ghosts and everything, it
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: would show up on the ghost, like, oh, you got
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: to stop here, right? So they wanted to make it haunted.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: So they did some low-key, haunty shit, like the wiring
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and stuff. It was getting a little bit of a buzz.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: But then they're like, oh, we're not getting enough people
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: that love ghosts, you know? And so they would have,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: somebody would dress up upstairs and they had hotel room
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: doors that were across the hallway from each other. So
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: they would open a door on each side. And when
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: you go walked up the stairs, the person would just
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: walk across. Yeah. So you'd see something like just, what
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: was that? You know? And yeah. And so it was
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: getting some heat and people were like, holy shit, there's ghosts.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: And people were outside fucking hanging out and drinking Dr.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Pepper and fucking sometimes even people because there are people
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: who get real excited and, Um, and then they busted
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the guy. The guy forgot to take off his ghost
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: sheet or whatever. He was driving home. It was like
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the owner's son and they fucking busted him. Idiot.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Have you had any like encounters properly with ghosts?
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. A friend of mine died and like I
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: was laying in his living room, um, the day after
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: and I felt him, he was right outside. Wow.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: And I just, it felt as if he was right there.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just, I don't know. I never felt
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: like he was standing around me before or since.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: But it just felt real and I just started like crying.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: It was like just super intense, you know?
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Wow. Um, I've never had, I believe in all that
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: stuff so strongly, but never anything like that.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ireland, you guys have like the giants causeway causeway. Yeah.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: And it's supposedly made by giants.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Um, but did you go there? Um, did we go
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to John's causeway? We didn't know.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I haven't been there, but is that good? Is that helpful?
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's, but it's like, but the
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: story is that, uh, There was a giant from there
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and a giant from Scotland, and they weren't getting along.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like you know more about it than I do. Yeah,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, Finn McCool. That was one of the giants. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: there was another giant. Legend has it that an Irish
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: giant named Finn McCool created, and everybody's going to think
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: this is extremely geek.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Exciting. Yeah.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: An Irish giant, Finn McCool. Yeah. To cross the Irish
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Sea and fight his rival, the Scottish giant, Benandonner.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they like, and so it just looks like these, like,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: there's these big square, um, stones heading out into the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: water from each side. Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Beautiful thing. So there's one of them in Scotland as well.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Hopefully there is.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: If not, you made it up. Yeah. Fuck it.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Um, Scotland giant causeway. We'll say that there is, let's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: keep the lore alive, but yeah, there's a lot of
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: stuff like that in Ireland. Like a lot of like, well,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: there's leprechauns, there's mystery.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: You know, ancient things.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: A lot of that.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of like, uh, lore.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Absolutely. There's a lot of myths and stuff.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: It's kind of real. It's romantic in a way. Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I think like I loved Lord of the Rings, the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Hobbit and all that stuff purely because I think being Irish,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: you kind of grow up loving those things. Yeah, definitely.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I would hate to be without that. I think to
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: be honest, like I, in my songs, like I had
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: a song last night cause it called the killer was
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a coward and it's just made up story. I love it.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: It's just about a King and a person that kind
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: of like, finds his way through this castle and kills him.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: And to me, I was just like, fuck it, why
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: not make a song like that? Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: What is the songwriting experience been like in Nashville? Has
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: it been inspired by like any like country vibes or
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: is like, is it just, this is a place that
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: you feel is good to write and be?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's a good place. You know, like I
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: think you can't downplay how talented people are. Sometimes if
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'm writing somewhere else, I can get stuck and kind of,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: come away with like half a verse or half a
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: chorus or something. Whereas here you come away with full
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: songs because people just do not stop. It's like Gabe,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: who was there last night. He just, he's relentless. You
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? He can kind of just, he
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: never runs out of ideas. So people here are just
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: so talented. Plus it's just a better place to write. Yeah.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I like being here. It feels like
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: it's not the be all and end all the music business,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: even though it's here and it's based here. And there's
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: so many people here that are working on music. It
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel like, people are writing to try and be successful.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: It feels like people are trying to just make music
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: and see what happens. Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I agree. There's a nice sense of like just being
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: alive here.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Definitely. And you just take time and people are nice
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: and you'd be playing a song and someone will kind
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: of invite their friend over and play guitar. Whereas in LA,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: that'd be kind of like, what's in for me? Why
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: would I do that? You know what I mean? Whereas
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: here it's just supportive.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's really true, man. I mean,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: we went out and saw some great music and then
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: you met up with Zach Brown and you're playing with, yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's definitely people, uh, it's more of a
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: sharing culture here. for sure. And it, yeah, it feels
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: like it's a, it's its own place outside of just
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the possibility of, um, making music.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Totally. I think sometimes when I write, I question how
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: important it is. Do you know what I mean? That's why,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: like I've had moments in the past where I struggle
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: with getting music over the line. Cause I'm just like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: who cares? And I completely forget about the fact that
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: people will listen to it. You know what I mean?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I kind of, I have dismissed that and I don't
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: mean who cares. Like it's always important to me, but
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: also In the past, I've kind of been like, oh,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You get so caught up in it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: You're just like, does it really matter?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Like, and I don't know. Yeah. So it's nice to
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: be back at a place where music is the most
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: important thing. It's lovely. I think when you kind of
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: go chasing a career, it can be a tricky thing
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: and it can get in the way of doing the
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: right stuff creatively. So I'm glad to be here. Oh, yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Well, do you feel like, I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: you've had such a great career already. Do you feel like, yeah,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: does a new... Like desire arise in you once you're
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: already doing well, kind of. Is it like a maintaining desire?
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's a returning. For me, it's returning
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: to who I was before doing any of it. You
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Like you being funny on the porch because it just
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: makes you feel good. Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Me playing music at home just because it's the thing
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I love. I have yet to play a show where
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I come away being like, oh, wow, that was perfect.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy now. Do you know what I mean?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: like when I'm on the tour bus after a gig,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: like I keep an even keel constantly. I don't come
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: off stage wired or I don't come off stage really sad.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I just kind of like, yeah, it was good. And
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: if it was good, I'm happy with it. And if
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: it was bad, it's okay. Cause I'll do it again tomorrow. But, um, yeah,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: like getting back, I said that last night, like I
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: want to be able to play music. Like I don't care.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? I just, there's no,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: thought about like whether it's good or bad, I'm just
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: doing it cause it feels right. Yeah. Like I blow
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: my voice out cause I'm just trying so fucking hard
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: all the time. Do you know what I mean? I
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: need to get to a place where I don't feel
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: very confident doing it. You know what I mean? Not
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Doing what?
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Just performing for people. Like I, I, I self-analyze constantly, uh,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: to the point that it's detrimental, but then like, I
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: think a lot of musicians do that, right? Like you're
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: hard on yourself. You're hard.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're hurting yourself. You want to do your best.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's part, that's something I got out of your
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: stuff too. It's like, I felt like, I felt like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: am I, am I, I want to give everything that
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I'm capable of while I'm here.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's only last night. Like you talked about.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: While I exist even, while I exist, I want to
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: get everything that is possible out of me. Definitely.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: You know, like having played sport for such a long
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: time when I was a kid, that felt like such
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: a powerful feeling. And I think sometimes I'm trying to
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: get that feeling from music. Um, and so, yeah, I just,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I think like if you play well in a match
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: or a game or whatever, the reason you feel like
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: you leave nothing out there. And I take that into music,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I think. Uh, and I think it's easy, it's important
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: to not be competitive as a musician, but, uh, but
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: sometimes I, I can take the gigs in a competitive way,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: you know, and just make sure you have nothing left.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: I think that kind of feels important.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: What happened with sports, with football?
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I just wasn't good enough.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I was all right. Don't get me wrong. I wasn't.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: But I'm always conscious of, if I was on here
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: being like, oh, yeah, I had to decide between soccer
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: and music, there'd be someone in Dublin who'd be like, arsehole,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: not true. You know what I mean? I was all right,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: but I wasn't doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No way.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And that's like the biggest sport over there. Oh, wait,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: have you seen that road bowling? Yes.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Really? Well, I know what it is. I follow them
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: on TikTok.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Do you really? Have you seen the stone lifting?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. But I know this is people. And
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: these are adults. Most of them, it looks like.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: And they get up.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: And Shannon Vale.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Shot it off. I'm lovely.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Shot it off. I'm lovely from Tim Young.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Not a bad effort at all. And they throw a ball.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And this is a real thing that happens. This isn't
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: like a prank. They throw a ball down a street
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and try to get it as far as they can,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and they want to get to a certain finish line
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: in the least amount of tries. So it's kind of
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: like golf just with your hand.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, on the road.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: And it's an iron ball. It's a steel ball.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: You should look up the stone lifting. The stone lifting
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: seems to be back in a major way.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Play one more of those.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I want to see. We got to, because here's Huff
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Wayne Parks here going. Turn it up, Bob. $ 13, 800 a side.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: For cancer research. Charlie, we can't hear it. And Shannonville.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: You've run so far.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: It's the best thing that I've ever seen.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: How much do they get? They say 13,800. No, really
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: all 13,800 aside.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: And Wayne Parks is on fire.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Good man, Wayne Park.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certain things are back. There's people lifting stones
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: that are like 300 kilos and stuff. It's probably on TikTok.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's a big thing again.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Lifting stones.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're awkward. It's like random. It's not like
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: those big round ones. It's like a proper awkward stone
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: in a field.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: There we go. Let's see it. Yes!
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Holy s * * t. Let's go! Holy s *
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: * t.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Holy s * * t. That's it. Come on, John.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Holy f * * *, John. You got it, John.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Come on. Holy f * * *, John.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: And those are his coaches.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. When I'm not on guard, this is what
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: I'm doing.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes!
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Come on!
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Woo!
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Holy f * * *!
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Woo! Let's go!
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: So strong. Oh, unbelievable.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Now, how high do you have to get it up?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I guess you have to get it above your waistline.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: It looks like. I feel like it needs to be
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: on your chest, yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Play one more of those. That's unbelievable. I mean, that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: is a huge... Strong people, yeah. That was a huge stone.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Play that top one. Just play the top one. Oh,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: and this is a more rounded stone.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: This guy wants to make an omelet.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: And there's his brother who can't lift him. Talking shit
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: all day, probably. Oh, yeah. This is crazy. This is, yeah.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: There's something so Irish about all this, I think. I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen it before.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Told you it's a strong one.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that guy's name?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: With the awkward ones.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Tom Saltman. Tom Saltman, official.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Where's that, England? Strongest Brothers is his T-shirt. Oh,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: they're both strong then. It does seem one-sided.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: My bad, boys.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: He's doing all the work.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I will say this. One of them
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: is doing a lot of the work, lads. Yeah, that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: road bowling. Play one more of those. I just couldn't.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: See if you can find Pa. I'm trying to think.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Pa....
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: There we go. Play that one in. Gary Daly there. Oh,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: he's an off-duty police officer.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never really knew this. Well, I knew it
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: was a thing, but I didn't know people gathered.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: You throw it into a crowd of people. That's the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: crazy part. And some of them move, and sometimes they
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: don't move.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Look at that one. 3.2 million views.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: 50 grand.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a massive amount of money. What is that?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: 50 pounds, yeah? 50,000 euro. Find the one with Pa
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: somebody right there. Who is this lady that's just constantly...
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: That's Michelle Smith. Oh, Pa Flood right there. See what
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: she says about him. Go up.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Road Bowls in Ireland. So just to let.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: You know that Pa Flood is throwing a camera.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I'll follow this, yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Approximately 20 past 3 on Road Bowls in Ireland on Facebook.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: So who's going to win? And it's a qualifier to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: take part in the King and Queen of the Roads Festival.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: 2024 happening in September.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: That's Paw Flood versus Colm Rafferty.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Colm Rafferty is.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: A big thrower from County Armagh. And Paw Flood needs
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: no introduction here. So tune in in about 20 minutes.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: You should have gone to this.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I tried.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Did you really?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were out of Cork. They were far away
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: or they were in Europe somewhere. There was one that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: actually made a little message to me.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: There you go. Shortest bowl in history.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Shortest bowl in history. Let's see it. That's Paw Flood
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: right there. That's him?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: That's him, yeah. Oh, shit.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, bollocks, Paul.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: That was the best work.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Gosh, my flood, huh? Just joking, Paul. That guy will
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: throw one of those through my house. Oh, imagine that though, lad.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: You're just.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: In your shins? Oh.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Michelle Smith official. How much is that? 50,000
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: pound for the winner.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: 50,000 euro, yeah, so I don't know, $ 55, 000 probably in
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and around.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And look up the rules for road bowling real quick.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I just want to read it so I can. $ 60, 573. Wow.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: To throw a damn ball down a road.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know where that money comes from.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Now that's a great question, brother. That's an IOU. Road
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: bowling is an Irish sport in which competitors attempt to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: take the fewest throws to propel a metal ball along
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: a predetermined course of country roads The sport originated in
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Ireland and is mainly played in counties Armagh and Cork.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Road bowling in Ireland is governed by the Voluntary Irish
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Road Bowling Association.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Armagh won the All-Ireland this year in the football.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, they did? The bullet or bowl is a solid
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: iron cannonball, seven inches circumference, and it weighs 28 ounces.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: There are two or more players or teams in a match.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: The one with the fewest shots to the finish line wins.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: If two players or teams approach the finish line with
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: equal shots, the winners decide about which throw goes farther
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: past the finish line. Wow.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: You should have played this.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: God, I'd love to. You could play this. I guess
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: you really have to have the shoulders for it.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Are you lefty or righty?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty much righty.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Normie.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I'll do it, but, you know. Remember when I was younger,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I used to try to eat with my left hand
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: for like, I'd be like, I'm going to change things up.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be different. And I would do it
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: for like two bites. I'm like, fuck that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: So like fork in your left hand. Yeah. So you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: would now eat with a fork in your right hand?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Now I go fork in my left hand.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Knife in the right hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But every
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: now and then I try to change it up.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I remember at home, if you were lefty, this probably
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: happened there too. If you were righting with your left hand,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: they would slap you and put the pen in your
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: right hand. I remember my dad, my dad's lefty too.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: And he, they would make him write with his right
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: hand when he was younger. Why?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: They don't like it over there.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean, not to stay on Google the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: whole time, but I bet it's like an old Irish thing.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: There was some weirdness about being lefty, yeah.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: They just don't want you to be different.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You get slapped on the back of the hand.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: It says right here, it was all due, it was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: believed to an unloving refrigerator mother. Even as late as
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: the 1900s, some schools in Ireland were still forcing southpaw
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: children to write with their right hands. Nowadays, we know
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: that nine out of 10 people are right-handed and that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: left-handedness is likely to be genetic.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: What's a refrigerator mother? Yeah. Is that like a latchkey
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: kid in Ireland?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: The term refrigerator mother was coined by Austrian physicist Leo
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Kanner in the 1940s to describe a mother whose cold,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: uncaring style so traumatized her child that they were treated
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: into autism. Wow. So they thought maybe if he was left-handed,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: he was autistic. We had a fellow with Down syndrome
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: in our town, and his mom just thought he was
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Irish his whole life.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I can't remember saying that before.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: And it was just crazy, man. Yeah, and he might
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: have been, actually. He would dress him up in all
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: these Boston Celtics shit all the time.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's crazy, yeah.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Leprechaun things.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just different, yeah, different, just joyful outfits.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: That poet yesterday, the guy we were doing the show with,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: I had green shoes on, and he called me a
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: leprechaun within five minutes. I had never met him before,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: and he called me a leprechaun. It's terrible.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was kind of outgoing like that. Yeah, he was.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of, he had a couple of pops.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Do people get married young in Ireland? What's that like?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Not so much. I don't know. What's it like here?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like it used to be, but not anymore. Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: like I would say 30s, early 30s, maybe. Nowadays. I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: know my parents got married when they were like 23,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: so I was just gradually growing up.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I just wonder how the cultures are
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: super different. Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, I'd imagine. I mean, that guy,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Joshua the Poet, last night he couldn't drink. He was
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: 20 years old. I mean, in Ireland... That is not
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: the case.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: People can drink there early, eh?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Well, 18, but you know.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Well, they let them in the pubs as well, some?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially down the country, like after the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: road bowling.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Everyone's getting in, I'd imagine, yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Yeah, cork was something else. I couldn't even
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: believe when we got there. I was like, this is
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: so wild.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: You played the marquee too. That's great.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the tent there.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: I played there one time.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: It's brilliant.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: It was totally different. The acoustics were a little bit
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: different in there.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Do you have to change your set in a cultural way?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Probably not, right?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I learned stuff about like Belfast when I first
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: got there.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:38
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• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: The IRA?
• 1:07:41
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• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: And we learned about the IRA and like... Yeah, like ooh, ah,
• 1:07:49
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• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:51
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• 1:07:53
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• 1:07:53
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• 1:07:54
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• 1:07:55
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• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: People would go, some guy pulled out a sword. I'm like,
• 1:08:00
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• 1:08:04
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• 1:08:06
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• 1:08:10
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  Speaker 1: reaching out and figuring out what type of help, if any,
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  Speaker 1: could benefit you. Thank you. What are some musicians that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: you really admire? I know that's kind of like.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Hosier's a big one for me.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He's playing here coming up at the Pilgrimage Festival.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, I saw that, yeah. I was sad because I'll
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: be gone.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: But he.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just... He's Irish? Oh, wow. Yeah, I think
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: sometimes people don't know that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I remember someone... I was talking to someone recently. They
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: thought it was from here, but he... It's just cool.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: He kind of blew up way before me. And it's
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: just a nice to see. It's kind of a cool
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: role model to have. He just carries himself very well,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Will you keep in touch or hit him up if
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: you have any thoughts?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Not even thoughts, but just to talk. I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: think artists don't talk to each other enough. I find
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: it hard to talk to other artists sometimes because I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: feel like we're all quite selfish and we're all so
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: locked into our own existence that it's tricky sometimes. I
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: find it much easier to connect with people who are
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: involved in sports. I think that's easier sometimes. But he's...
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just cool for me to see him.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: He's got this huge career where he's got so many
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: followers and supporters of his music. But it's always just
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: about the music. You know what I mean? It's just
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: he's inherently him. And I think that's a pretty cool thing.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: And it's good for me to kind of like just
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: see that. Follow it.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of some other Irish musicians.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: You two are obviously probably the biggest ever. Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Dude, one time I went to... like the MTV Movie
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Awards or something. It might have been Music Awards. I
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: think it was Music Awards, actually. So I got dropped
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: off there. I'm walking up, and all these people start cheering, right?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: And I got like a pass, like through the artist
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: pass or whatever. And I'm walking up. All these people
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: are cheering. And I just like in my head, I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: was like, these people are cheering for me? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And I was like, what? And then I looked next
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: to me, and it was Bono.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Bono? Yeah. Were you talking to him?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I said nice glasses. That's what I said. Because I
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: didn't know who he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the time,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I was just kind of like, I was 19 and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't have a clue.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: He's the best. You know, sometimes when you're talking to
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: somebody that's so famous and has been for such a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: long time, you kind of feel like you're not getting it.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: There's nothing beneath the surface. Oh, yeah. With him, it's
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: the complete opposite.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: You can tell. If you were talking to him, he'd
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: just full undivided attention and gives feedback and will pay
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: attention to you and stuff. It's great.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've met some of these guys. Niall Oren.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Neat guy. Who else? Oh, the Cranberries. Yep.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Van Morrison. Oh. Thin Lizzy are the best. Have you
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: listened to Thin Lizzy?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh. Oh, man. I got to get in it.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: You like rock and roll? You like to write play strays? Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Thin Lizzy is, that's up your strazza.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I'll have to get into that. Thin Lizzy.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, the best. He passed away a long time ago,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: but the music's incredible. Wow. The Boys Are Back in Town.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: You know that song.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: The Boys Are Back in Town. Where were they?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Like, why were they, where were they? Does he ever
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: say that?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I actually do know, yeah. They're hanging down at Dino's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: is the lyric. Dino's is here too, but there's a
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Dino's Lake restaurant in Dublin.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: And that's where they're hanging at. And where did they
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: come back in town from?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. But I think about that all
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: the time. And I always think about them going on
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: tour back then. It must have just been like, see
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: you soon.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Imagine in the 70s and no one knows where you are.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: No one knows how it's going. You're not on social media. Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: It must be insane. And you just come back and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: kind of, hopefully it went well.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I don't even know if you knew how
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: well it went really.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: No, never. You just get feedback every night and then
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of drugs and drinking though.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: God, that must've been fucking funny.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Did you ever struggle with any of the gear or
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: whatever they call it over there?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Nah, man, I find it like, I don't know. I, again,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: like not to harp on about it, but I think
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: sport was crucial for me. It was just kind of, I,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: I always like a tour when I tour, I'll often
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: do kind of, I feel like it's not sustainable nowadays
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: in music. It was different back then. I don't know
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: how heavily they toured and stuff, but nowadays touring is
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: so key. Like you'll just, I don't know, personally, I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to sustain it at all.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Even drinking, I gotta be careful.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it'd just be impossible like to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: be hung on and then to the responsibility of getting
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: to the next place. It just seems like.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: It's not worth it, yeah.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know how people do it.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: No, I know. Yeah, sometimes, like, I don't know. I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: don't know how some artists do it, but I wouldn't
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: be able. Even last night, like I'm tired today from
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: just playing an acoustic set in a cafe last night.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: I'm very pedestrian. Yeah. Definitely.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: What about the love life, man? How does that look
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: for you?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: It's solid and always has been. Not always has been,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: but for a long time.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: You've always been good with the ladies then?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: No. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's kind of.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: I've always been good with one lady, yeah.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, you have?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Not in a corny way. That's the corniest thing I've
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: ever said.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Do people know that, that you have a girlfriend?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, kind of. I don't talk about it much,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: but I think if people wanted to know, they would know, yeah.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you had a lady then?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: For a long time. Wow.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I don't see like, I'm happy to talk about it,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: but I don't see it as like a relevant part
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: of my career. Do you know what I mean? I
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: don't see it as something to promote. She definitely doesn't.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: So it's just our existence outside of my career.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Does that inspire some of your music with some of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the emo stuff or no?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: What do you mean the emo stuff?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Like some of the loving type stuff.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: All of it. All of it.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: That's where it all comes from. And yeah, yeah. I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: never talk about it, but it's all good. What about you?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, dude.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to get a wife. I would like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: to get a wife. I will say that. I got
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: to get some of my affairs in order. I got
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: to get some of my affairs in order.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: This feels like a follow-on from the serial killer chat.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: It feels like, yeah.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, dude. I've had it like, I, yeah. I mean,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I date, you know, it's just hard. You're in town,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: you're gone. And then you're supposed to be like date,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, of course. You're like, come back three
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: weeks later. But I think that's one of the reasons
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: why I stayed in comedy because I was like, oh, well,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: I was, had so much trouble like staying in relationships
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: and being committed in relationships. I was like, this always
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: gives me an excuse to leave.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: You know? So it was like, I got to go,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: you know? And then you come back and they might've
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: found someone else. You'd hope they found somebody else.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of times.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: So you can detach from it. Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh gosh, good luck with Stanley or whatever. Yeah.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you found them.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So things like that, I think, uh, I'm trying
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: to think of, yeah, I've just been, I just had like,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just always hard for me to, um, like, uh,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: trust somebody.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was just like the hardest thing. I
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: just had no idea of how to do it. Yeah.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: It was like a foreign practice.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Trusting somebody.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Really?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Anybody? Only romantically?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Friends?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Anything?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: It even goes over into work and everything a lot
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: of times.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I think I have to really... Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Does it like take time?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it takes time. Sometimes you can tell
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: with people kind of easy, but it's been.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: It's just been a tough thing for me over the years.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: And I don't even know why sometimes.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy line of work to be in too, right? Yeah.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: For that situation.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're leaving her all the time or something.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: It's like so many of my friends have been divorced
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: that are in comedy and stuff like that. I think
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: it's just a tough go of it.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Do you own any animals, Dermot?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I have a dog called Tom.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: That's it?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I miss him dearly. He's a puppy.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Does he write?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Does he write? Yeah, Tom, the writing dog, yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: He.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: He is the best. It's the best thing in the world.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: I always took the piss out of the emotional support thing,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: but I believe in it now. You know what I mean?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Like emotional support dogs flying with them and stuff. Oh,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: you take them on planes and all? I haven't yet,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: but I will.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're looking forward to it.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: You think like, no I can't. He was in Dublin
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: with his big German shepherd. And I was like, if
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: he can do that, I gotta be able to get
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: my little puppy on the plane.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Wow, he took a German shepherd with him?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Now it's a nice dog. It's like well behaved. I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: think it sleeps under his legs while he's on the flight.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's badass.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the best thing. I don't know.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Here's a Dublin zoo and let's help a breastfeeding mothers
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: to encourage female orangutan bond with her newborn. So this
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: is happening over by you guys.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Brilliant. Well, not brilliant.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: What app did this monkey or this woman off of?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Cause this seems like, and if those are Irish breasts, brother,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: they're full cream. I'll tell you that. They have, I dude,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I saw some breasts over there.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: You did?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. It's like, just like, I'm coming home.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Tell the world I'm coming home. It just feels like
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: the root of time started in them.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Lovely.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, God, they just like the fucking, just beauty
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: just like the eyes of the moon yeah yeah yeah
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: just those fucking front hammers baby you'd see some goddamn
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: i mean you'd see they literally look like they were
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: sculpted out of like you know just a fine fucking
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: thick yogurt this is wild you thought there's no women Oh,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: but when you saw them- When there was one? Yeah,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: or they'd see, yeah, you'd see a fucking shadow coming
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: over you and it'd be a big tit. A woman
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: would have leaned out of a window to look for something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: You had your eyes peeled constantly.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Make sure a man was still at the pub, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Because the pubs, yeah, I mean, I went into a pub,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: no furniture, a bunch of guys holding each other up,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: fucking just yelling and drinking.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: No furniture. You would go into a pet store, no pets,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: seven people drinking in there.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Just drinking.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Talking about animals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything there is just
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: people having a beer, man.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: It's funny, though. Do you ever see the way Italians
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: live to be really, really old? Because they all just
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: hang out constantly. I like to think Irish people are
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: kind of like that, too. We just need each other.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: There's all these small communities and stuff. They need somewhere
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: to gather. Yeah. Music's part of that.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: And I grew up in New Orleans and there people
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: were drunk, vomiting. You didn't see it in Ireland, man. Puking? Yeah,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of it.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's plenty of people.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, there is?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, and they do it all at once or something?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I would say it's just like you maybe missed it.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of it, though. Yeah. Yeah. It's the worst
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: feeling in the world.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: I would say that nearly keeps me away from drinking
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: too much is the puking. I fucking hate it.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Well, the first part of puking, I don't like. You
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: start to get this little sweat out of the middle
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: of your neck or tongue.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the saliva. It's like the saliva
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: all over again.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like your saliva starts to be like, hey,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: guess what? Yeah, you're in trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: you're in trouble. Yeah, that's pretty hellish.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I like how you take moments to think. You just
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: scan your mind.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I don't have a choice.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I could.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Just call upon it.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, my brain retired years ago, man. Years ago. Yeah,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: and some of the names in Ireland, I feel like
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: people are trying to have the most Irish name. You'll
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: meet like somebody A-O-I-F-E. Aoife. Aoife, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: And that doesn't really spell that.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: We were talking to someone yesterday called Niamh. It's N-I-A-M-H. Yeah,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: and that's not anything. So it's like you have to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: have real names if you're even going to. You should
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: guess some. These are very run-of-the-mill.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: You got some spicier names.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Perhaps very hard to spell Irish names, but without the answers.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: All right. Count. Count. Count me. Count me. Count me.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Quiva. All right. Nope.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Siobhan. That's nice.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: But it's Siobhan.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Siobhan, okay. I didn't know they had black people there.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: All right. Rory.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: That's nice. Yeah, Rory.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, Rory.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: That would be like Rory. D-H, like it's like silent.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, they spelled it so you know at home. R-U-A-I-D-H-R-I.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: So they don't spell it like Rory. The next one, T-A-D-G-H. Ta-da. Or.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Taig. Taig. Taig.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Taig.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: And the next one, N-I-A-M-H.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: Noah.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: No, Neve.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Neve, okay.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Neve, just N-E-E-V, Neve.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: And then the next one, another one that's not real, S-A-O-I-R-S-E. Siri.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Saoirse.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Saoirse.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Saoirse, yeah.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is unbelievable. And then I'll do this last
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: one because I've seen this one before.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: These are good now.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go too. G-R-A-I-N-N-E. Granny.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Grania.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Grania.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: That's the closest you've been.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's beautiful actually. Yeah. And this one right here
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: is not anything, but I'll read it. B-L-A-T-H-N-A-I-D.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Blot.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Blotinide. Blot... Blotinide.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Blotinid.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Blunted.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing all right.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: All right, here's one right here. C-A-O-I-L-F-H-I-O-N-N.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: Kill?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Kevin.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: That one is even weird for me. I would say Quailen.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Quailen.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just everybody you meet over there, you're like,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I'm Quailen Madonna Gargi, you know.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I see that here, too. Oh, yes, true.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Everyone. I was in the
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: boot barn last weekend, and there was a guy called Lachlan.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: And he was like, I'm Irish. You know, he just
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: claims it, but doesn't know. You're like, no shit.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What about the new album? So are you working
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: on a new album? What is it like for you
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, I am. I have written, I would say, 25
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: to 30 songs.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it goes crazy. It's kind of like you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: can do as many as you want. You can do hundreds.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: And like, I know... Do you remember that song that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Rihanna had? I want you to stay. Not really sure
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: how I feel about it. That song.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: I was with the fella that featured on that song.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: And huge success. And then his second album, he wrote
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: 250 songs. So it's just like, at what point do
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: you kind of call it? You know what I mean?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: And then I've heard Billie Eilish do interviews where she says,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: if the album is 12 songs, I've written 12 songs
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: and that's it. So I'd rather be like that. It's
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: crazy to me, the idea of throwing songs out. I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: don't know why I would do that. So I've got
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: a bunch now. And I feel good about them. I
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: never know. That's what I'm saying. It's like I analyze
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: myself too much. And I think sometimes I lose perspective.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: And I could have the best song in the world,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: but I can't see it, you know?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: And is there certain people you go to to get
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: really clear perspective?
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: No. I don't play music to anyone. Anybody. Yeah, because
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: if it's good feedback, I'll be like, yeah, I know.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: And if it's bad, then I'll be aggressive.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Wow. So what about a management or an agent or anything?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of that.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: But then.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: That's hard too, right? Because you kind of question like,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: what are people's criteria? You know, to me, I only
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: care that it's good, but then they might be like, oh,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: this song could be successful. And it's like, what does
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: that mean?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: You know, it could stink, but it could like, it
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: could send me down the wrong path musically, but it
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: could make money on the radio.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: So you got to do the right thing.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: And do you, will you choose a certain number out
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: of those?
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like 10. I know, like I've seen like,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Morgan Wallen's album with like 37 songs and stuff. I
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if I'm able for that kind of thing.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, different people have different stuff. Definitely. Hmm.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder like, yeah, would I be scared? God, it's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: just gotta be so scary putting an album out.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Hmm. It's going to define your life for two or
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: three years, you know?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: It's almost like throwing a stick of dynamite into a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: room or something.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: And then what if you don't hear anything?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: It may not go off.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: You never know. I think like, Yeah, that definitely scares
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: me sometimes. And it might not happen. You know what's
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: almost even worse is that middle of the road, kind
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: of just like some people like and boring.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: For me, what's funny is like I've never had a
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: song go crazy. Do you know what I mean? Like
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: I've never had a song, like I play big venues
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: in most places, but like I can walk around all
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: day and no one knows who I am. So I
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: think I kind of exist in a sweet spot to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: some degree. You know what I mean? I think for me,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: it's like a careful what I wish for scenario sometimes.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: Because my life is still very normal. But then I
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: get to go on stage and do very abnormal things.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: You know? Like if I had to stay in my
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: hotel room all day, because I can't, that would make
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: me sad. Definitely.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're almost like Clark Kent kind of. You know?
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Or Claire.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Quail and Kinship. Yeah. Yeah, I just.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Just because you have some anonymity still. Definitely.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: There was one time... You do have a chip on
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: your shoulder sometimes, though. I do. I was playing for
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: a football team in New York, and we were at
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: training one night, and one guy was like, are you
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: playing shows or whatever? And I was like, yeah, I'm
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: playing a show at the Garden. And he was like, oh, cool.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Are you part of a bigger bill? Are you supporting somebody?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: I'm constantly just like, no, it's my show. People will
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: be there, hopefully. So I think people are constantly surprised how...
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: big the shows are. Cause my, I don't feel like
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: a very famous person, which is lovely. Honestly, that's the way.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: You don't.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you keep like a, you seem like
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: a pretty regular demeanor.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, um, which I think is probably one of
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: the best compliments you can get.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then to go and have that many people
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: show up for something.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: That's pretty fricking unbelievable.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: It's not, it's the only, I think like if I,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: I feel lucky in the sense that before I did
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: all this, if I had a checklist of what I wanted,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I feel quite lucky. I feel like I've ticked most boxes.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: which is nice, you know, my life hasn't changed. I
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: get to play to lots of people. I get to
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: decide what music I put out. That feels good to me.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. How long do you think till your album
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: will come out or do you have a plan on it?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Does it matter?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: I don't, I'm trying not to care. It matters, but
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know how.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: It works to people.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: You do?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, will people stick around? You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I think music, you kind of have to stay relevant
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: and stay present and release music all the time. You know,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's, I think you have to kind of
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: do stuff constantly and constantly bring stuff out, but, uh,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: you gotta be careful too. Cause if people just get bored,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I would love to, I'd
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: love to bring out an album definitely in less than
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: a year, but I'm not in a hurry to do
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: it either. I would rather have a good one. You
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? I don't think it needs to
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: be just constantly doing it.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: And the tour off of it. Yeah. Like we've been
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: doing touring very slow. We'll do like chunks. Yeah. Three
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: years now to do the tour.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Oh man.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: But it's fine.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't care. As long as you show up,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: people don't care.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, and it's been good and I couldn't
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: handle doing like a seven month tour or something.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: I've seen like, who did I see? I saw Matt
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: McCusker's tour and it was just every weekend, like a
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: couple of shows. I was just, that must be so
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: sweet to do shows and go home. But music, you
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: can't do that because you got like abandoned crew on
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: the road and you're paying everyone every day. So you just,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: you'd be bankrupt immediately.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. You gotta do it all.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: When you have such a squad. How much, do you
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: have a big band supporting you when you go out?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: There's, what is it? There's like, Six of us on stage.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: All Irish?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: No, two of us Irish. And then everyone else is
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: from Australia, Switzerland, and the UK.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: Ooh.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty diverse. Yes, indeed. But it's important. Even though
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: it's a solo project, I think it has to feel like,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: I hate when a songwriter, it looks like it's them
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: and their employees. I think that's crap. Yeah. I think
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: it makes for a bad musical connection. I think you
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: want to feel like a band. Yeah.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: What makes that happen?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, I think, I mean, bottom line, the way you
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: treat people, you know, and you give people creative freedom,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: you let them play the way they want to play.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: I think if you stifle it and, and sort of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: restrict people too much, it stops being fun. Do you
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? I think people come to see
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: my show to see that musical interaction. It's not just
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: me playing, you know what I mean? I think it's
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: weird sometimes when you see a solo artist and their
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: band is just kind of in the background and not
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: really part of the show. That's weird to me.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: What, um, uh, where'd you meet your gal at?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Like what? 25 years ago, probably at home. No. Yeah.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: At home. What was she going door to door?
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: She wasn't, but we were, uh, we were, we grew
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: up in the same area. And, uh, yeah, it's a very, like,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: it's a very sort of high school sweethearts thing.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, there is some romance right there, then.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: There's something romantic about that. Yeah, I guess Ireland makes
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: me just think everything seems like fairytale over there a bit.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes too much. Certain movies and stuff, you know?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder what you're talking about. Gangs in New York?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: That one's kind of cool, though. There was this movie recently,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: The Irish Wish, or P.S. I Love You, those types
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: of things.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: They're terrible, yeah. Get fucked. Yeah, if you found your
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: wife in a wishing well or something, you're out of
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: your fucking mind, dude.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Could happen. You could do it.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Hey, look. That's true, man.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: You need to go back. Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, I want to go back so bad. I want
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: to do a couple more spots there and maybe do
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: one more. I think I owe a little bit better
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: of a show to maybe Belfast. It was good, but
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: I think you just want to do it better. Yeah.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: I like the way you say, I tried my best
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: at the end of your shows. I think that's good.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah thanks man I think I usually I definitely 99%
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: of the time I feel that way that I tried
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: my best now the outcome sometimes yeah.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: But then that sentiment stands above everything right like even
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: if it doesn't go the way you want it to
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: yeah tried my best you know.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah people appreciate it too yeah I think people appreciate
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: it I think so that's probably a good point what
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: will you do when you get back to Ireland like
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: what's something you look forward to doing.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: I will like to write music every day and to
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: to be like in the studio every single day. I
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: know it's a very privileged thing to say, but it's
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: a very taxing thing. I got tired of it. So like,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: I'll go just, where I live is in the middle
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: of nowhere. So I'll just be in the forest every
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  Speaker 2: day with the dog.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a dog? No, I would like to
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  Speaker 1: get a dog as soon as I quit touring. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In like seven months, I'm gonna try to get some
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  Speaker 1: kind of dog.
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  Speaker 2: It's the best thing I've done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like a companion. It kind of, it's a
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  Speaker 2: nice injection of real life as well. And amongst all
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  Speaker 2: the weirdness, it's just nice. Like, And it's this thing
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  Speaker 2: that would die if you didn't look after it. So
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of, it's a powerful feeling.
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  Speaker 1: You guys got a, is it a staffie over there,
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  Speaker 1: which you got?
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  Speaker 2: No, teeny little scruffy terrier.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's a rescue.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everything is in Ireland, huh?
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  Speaker 2: I'm a rescue, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If he's a male, is he?
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  Speaker 2: He is male, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: He's still got his cojones.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he won't be using them. There's no girls out there.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing. Yeah. I'll have to bring him to America. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dermot Kennedy, thanks so much, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you for all the awesome music, man.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for like, yeah, just kind of sharing like whatever
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  Speaker 1: you can to the best of your ability.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of how I feel when I listen to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: your stuff. And yeah, I had a great time. Thanks
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: for inviting me last night. And yeah, thanks for the ticket, dude.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: That was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Not at all.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for going. Thank you, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, cheers on you, bro.
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  Speaker 3: Cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share
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  Speaker 3: this peace of mind I found I can feel it
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  Speaker 3: in my bones