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House Call from Nurse Kate · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of the mom Wars. Here's Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome to the mom Wars Podcast. I'm kar
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy and my co.
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  Speaker 3: Host is Bethany Mandel. So truth be told. I always
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  Speaker 3: pause and let you introduce yourself because I still feel
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  Speaker 3: intimidated by pronouncing your name like Tara, Aara, Kara Cara.
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  Speaker 2: Americans always say this to me. They're like, is a
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  Speaker 2: car or Kara? And I don't know it's the same name,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: We are joined by a guest who has a very
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  Speaker 3: simple name, and for that I am appreciative. We are
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  Speaker 3: joined by Kate Johnson, who goes by nur'sus Kate Johnson
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  Speaker 3: on all platforms Twitter, Insta. Although my favorite platform for
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  Speaker 3: you is Insta. Is that your favorite platform also?
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  Speaker 4: By far?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Twitters are for me.
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  Speaker 3: So we are recording this in July. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: when you guys are going to hear it. And I
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  Speaker 3: want to talk to you about all things Maha because
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you are a Maha whisperer in a
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  Speaker 3: way that I'm not not gonna lie. I understand it somewhat.
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  Speaker 3: I wrote a long piece for The Washington Examiner. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I want to say it was like two
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  Speaker 3: months ago, and I have been fascinated by how health
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  Speaker 3: and wellness has become a Republican virtue. And it's like
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  Speaker 3: I kind of step off the train a little bit
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  Speaker 3: there because I'm like, oh, do I have to work
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  Speaker 3: hard everywhere? Really? But it makes sense, and so I
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  Speaker 3: want to hear I'm actually I'm interested to see hear
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  Speaker 3: you say that you're surprised by it, because I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see health and wellness getting like red coated
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. But I think we're there, So
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  Speaker 3: tell me what your thoughts are.
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  Speaker 4: Well. But I think it's partially important to consider that
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  Speaker 4: it was only red coded by on the coattails of
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  Speaker 4: a legacy Democrat, right, so Rfka Junior brought it into
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  Speaker 4: the MAGA movement. I've actually been preaching health and wellness
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  Speaker 4: as a Republican conservative virtue for years at trying to
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  Speaker 4: says like trying to help people understand and appreciate the
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  Speaker 4: connection between our individual health and the freedom that we
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  Speaker 4: gain by living a healthy lifestyle, and how we become
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  Speaker 4: slaves to government forces when we don't have that autonomy.
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  Speaker 4: And to see this like catching fire right now is
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  Speaker 4: mind blowing to me because for so long I've had
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  Speaker 4: people who just kind of look at me like, huh,
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  Speaker 4: what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense. So I am conservative,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm like a reformed liberal. So I still like
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  Speaker 3: being lazy. I still like not taking that much personal responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to work out, although I
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  Speaker 3: will say one of our first pieces for the sub stack,
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  Speaker 3: I joined a gym I don't know, like six seven
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  Speaker 3: months ago now, and I found out I like it.
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  Speaker 3: I was surprised by it. I went into it for
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  Speaker 3: the free childcare, and now I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, do you like it for the free childcare?
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  Speaker 3: Is that's how I hype myself to go all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like an hour and a half of me time.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, do you tie it up with six kids? Because
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  Speaker 2: in conditions, yeah, I were you.
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  Speaker 3: My older kids can stay at home, so I really
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  Speaker 3: just bring like one two at most I bring three.
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  Speaker 3: But now I wonder if the like I think we've
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  Speaker 3: seen like a weird overcorrection always when things get red coated,
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  Speaker 3: do you think that I mean, what about the whole
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  Speaker 3: Lena Dunham like fat phobia thing, Like do you think
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  Speaker 3: that it's going to become blue coated to be like
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  Speaker 3: sat and unhealthy?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I actually think that that undercurrent was there for
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  Speaker 4: a long time. So we've been seeing a lot of
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  Speaker 4: messaging on the healthy at any size. You know, this
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  Speaker 4: stuff kind of goes back, like even Oprah was kind
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  Speaker 4: of doing this, you know, in like twenty ten, you
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  Speaker 4: kind of have this like this current in Hollywood where
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  Speaker 4: things had gotten so extreme, you know, pendulum swing, and
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  Speaker 4: things had gotten really extreme into like the heroin chic
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  Speaker 4: thing and the you know, impossibly skinny unhealthy and so
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  Speaker 4: you kind of had this pendulum start to swing and
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  Speaker 4: where Hollywood goes, Like Hollywood culture is very impactful and
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  Speaker 4: that kind of influences what you see magazines and how
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  Speaker 4: culture starts to talk about things, and culture tends to
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  Speaker 4: be left leaning. So when we started to see these
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  Speaker 4: cultural shifts, we started to see them become kind of
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  Speaker 4: identified and tagged to a political party. So then it
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  Speaker 4: became this kind of like healthy at any Size was
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  Speaker 4: kind of this live and let live like liberal sort
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  Speaker 4: of mindset of like you must accept me don't try
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  Speaker 4: to you know, don't try to create any kind of
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  Speaker 4: boundaries on my ability to be what I am and
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  Speaker 4: love myself, you know in any way, which I actually
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  Speaker 4: agree with as a principle, But the problem is in
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  Speaker 4: the implementation of that. We have issues with people becoming
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  Speaker 4: very unhealthy and that's not a form of loving yourself.
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  Speaker 4: So but there is a cognitive dissidence that started to form,
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  Speaker 4: and I think people started to nobody wants to look
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  Speaker 4: up to that. You know, when you see Lena Dunham
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  Speaker 4: doing these these stunts where she's like, oh, I just
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  Speaker 4: can't help it, or you know, there's been this huge
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  Speaker 4: amazing thing that has happened with Uh, I'm gonna forget
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  Speaker 4: her name. I'm so bad at pop culture. She was
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  Speaker 4: really lizo, Yeah, thank you, Yeah, I had in my
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  Speaker 4: head the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Liz has been on this like weightless journey and she
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  Speaker 4: used to say, no matter what.
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  Speaker 3: Homque, I mean it probably yes, it probably is.
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  Speaker 4: But she's been posting all these videos of herself in
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  Speaker 4: the gym working out, like talking about it in a
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  Speaker 4: very different way about how she's changing her diet. And
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  Speaker 4: she used to say, like, oh, no matter what I do,
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  Speaker 4: I can't lose weight. But now she has a very
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  Speaker 4: different perspective on it, and she's talking about it in
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  Speaker 4: a very different way, which makes me wonder if you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's trying to become blue coated again, that they're trying
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  Speaker 4: to take this back because they realize that this is
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  Speaker 4: actually a very powerful cultural movement because you know what,
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  Speaker 4: moms are pissed. Moms are so over having their kids
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  Speaker 4: be sick and having their kids be the ones who
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  Speaker 4: are suffering at the end of this this trail of
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  Speaker 4: poor decisions, and it's always been kind of sold as
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  Speaker 4: this like you are beautiful no matter who what you
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  Speaker 4: look like, which again that that is not the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Is the conversation about health. And so when when Republicans
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  Speaker 4: started to champion that conversation about health, that became very
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  Speaker 4: a very powerful political movement that actually won Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: the election.
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  Speaker 3: By the numbers, do you think that he would have won? Like,
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  Speaker 3: do you think that that was it? Like that was
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  Speaker 3: the seminal moment when RFK joined the ticket.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can you can actually like graph
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  Speaker 4: it out. The data is there.
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  Speaker 3: How are Maha mom's feeling now like he's at HHS.
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  Speaker 3: How are they feeling. They feel like they got what
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  Speaker 3: they they bought.
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  Speaker 4: So far, there has been a lot of positive movement
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  Speaker 4: that has made everybody very excited. You know. I know
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  Speaker 4: it seems like a small thing sometimes, but the win
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  Speaker 4: of having all of these companies coming out saying that
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  Speaker 4: they're going to be removing artificial food colorings from their
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  Speaker 4: product between now, you know and over the next two years,
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  Speaker 4: which is a tight timeline for these big corporations, that's
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  Speaker 4: really encouraging and that is showing significant progress. It's also
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  Speaker 4: showing that, you know, they're playing hardball, because these companies
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  Speaker 4: are not going to make moves unless they know that
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  Speaker 4: there's gonna be consequences to face.
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  Speaker 3: So one of my favorite moments in the whole campaign
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  Speaker 3: was when the New York Times tried to write a
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  Speaker 3: hip piece about RFK, who like, for the record, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not like I'm pretty agnostic on like like him on
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  Speaker 3: some things, don't like him on other things, like I
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  Speaker 3: don't really have a you know something in the game.
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  Speaker 3: But they tried to write this hip piece on him
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  Speaker 3: in the New York Times. He says that that food
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  Speaker 3: coloring is and that there's all these chemicals in the food,
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  Speaker 3: and when you compare fruit loops in America in Canada,
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  Speaker 3: there's no difference except for these chemicals and comicals. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I actually want to know more.
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  Speaker 3: Why can't we have Canadian fruit loops that you seem
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  Speaker 3: to have vindicated him on that one?
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  Speaker 4: I it was weird watching them try to attack him
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  Speaker 4: on these things, because you know, I know that scenes
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  Speaker 4: is like a touchy topic. But the more they push
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  Speaker 4: on this vaccine topic, the more normal everyday moms are
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  Speaker 4: being like, well, this is weird because I was told
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  Speaker 4: they were safe and effective, but now like you're telling
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  Speaker 4: me that the package insert says that it can cause
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  Speaker 4: food allergies, it can call it ezema, Like all of
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  Speaker 4: these things that are listed are known side effects. And
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  Speaker 4: they're going through and showing how we don't have a
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  Speaker 4: reporting system that's accurate to capture this stuff, so the
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  Speaker 4: realities we don't know.
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  Speaker 3: How do you like your your oldest is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: still under school age. I don't know what you'd but like,
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  Speaker 3: how do Maha moms who don't vaccinate, Like I have
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  Speaker 3: to I have to show like vaccine records places, Like
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  Speaker 3: how do you navigate that especially. I think you live
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  Speaker 3: in this in the DC area, Am I wrong?
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  Speaker 4: We used to. We moved to Florida partly for this.
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  Speaker 3: You did. Yeah, yeah, that's what you did, because it's
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  Speaker 3: different there. Here you're at You're Upper Creek. There's nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand what people do. I'm genuinely very curious.
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  Speaker 4: So it's state by state, it's in some places it's
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  Speaker 4: even region by region, like counties, county by county, but
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  Speaker 4: or like school district, even by school district. And then
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  Speaker 4: religious exemptions apply for almost every state except California recently
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  Speaker 4: got rid of their religious exemption. I actually my own
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  Speaker 4: personal story. I was not a I was not against
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  Speaker 4: vaccines until my oldest daughter and her six month appointment,
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  Speaker 4: got her vaccines and she broke out in hives from
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  Speaker 4: head to toel. I'm a critical care nurse. Okay, I
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  Speaker 4: know what hives look like. I know an alertic reaction
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  Speaker 4: is to a specific you know, to a thing. You
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  Speaker 4: did a thing. This is a reaction. They treated me
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  Speaker 4: like I was insane. They they like.
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  Speaker 3: Were gal and they knew you were a nurse.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah. They gas let me so drastically. They
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  Speaker 4: refuse to report it. It's not even in her chart
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  Speaker 4: that I called to report to them that she had
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  Speaker 4: had this massive allergic reaction and they told me like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: it'll die down in a couple of days, this is normal.
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  Speaker 4: Well for me, that was the end, because it's not normal.
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  Speaker 4: And if that had been if I had given her
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  Speaker 4: a lollipop and she had had that reaction, they would
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  Speaker 4: have been like, Nope, she's allergic to lollipops. You can
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  Speaker 4: never give her that again, Like she would have a
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  Speaker 4: black box on her chart that says she's allergic. But
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  Speaker 4: because it's vaccines, then it's okay, Like they don't we
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  Speaker 4: it's a completely different standard for vaccinations, and it's there's
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  Speaker 4: this religious fervor around them. And the more you dive
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  Speaker 4: into it, which I really didn't want to do because
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  Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't want to not think that everything
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  Speaker 4: I'd always been taught and believed was not true. But
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  Speaker 4: the more you dive into it, the scarier and the
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  Speaker 4: story gets.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I choose not to And I'm just going
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  Speaker 3: to continue one on that line because my youngest is
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  Speaker 3: two and a half years old. But I was red
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  Speaker 3: pilled during COVID. But I can't afford to get red
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  Speaker 3: pilled on all vaccines because I live here and I
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  Speaker 3: will have no pediatrician and I will not be able
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  Speaker 3: to send my children anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you move to Florida, Bethany, you would also
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  Speaker 2: be paid to homeschool per child, sir, If I went
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  Speaker 2: to Florida, that's financial decision to live where you live.
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  Speaker 3: So, but it's hot, that's true.
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  Speaker 4: But it's hot in DC too. I know it's so odd.
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  Speaker 3: It's hot.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what we have that you don't have.
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  Speaker 4: We have like six months seventy well yeah, and like
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  Speaker 4: six months of seventy five degrees and beautiful blue skies.
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  Speaker 3: And when you sound like me, Rond DeSantis, I met
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  Speaker 3: Ronda Santa's couple months ago, and I had literally this
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  Speaker 3: conversation with him verbatim, minus the vaccines.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't get into vaccines, because it's true. It's I mean,
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  Speaker 4: the summer here is a little bit longer and maybe
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  Speaker 4: a little hotter, but it's hot and humid everywhere, so
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  Speaker 4: you might as well find a couple extra weeks of
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  Speaker 4: that for beautiful fall and winter and spring.
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  Speaker 3: I got my kid the hepe shot today. Why it's
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  Speaker 3: stupid there's no reason for it. I deeply resent it,
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  Speaker 3: but I have no PEDIUTRICI.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is another problem is that they'll kick
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  Speaker 4: you out of your provider's off So the way around
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  Speaker 4: that for a lot of people is you can find
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  Speaker 4: a lot of family physicians will take children who are
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  Speaker 4: not vaccinated, So you can find family physicians. There is
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  Speaker 4: an amazing account online who has a whole list of
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  Speaker 4: providers state by state who will do alternative schedules or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: So there's you know, there's resources, and it's a growing movement.
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  Speaker 4: You know a lot of people. I can't believe I'm
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  Speaker 4: part of it in austrious because I never saw myself.
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  Speaker 3: Being So are you still a nurse?
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  Speaker 4: So yes, I am still a registered nurse. Actually what
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  Speaker 4: I do online counts as it's a specialty of nursing
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  Speaker 4: called health promotions.
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  Speaker 3: Which is so, But could you lose your license by
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  Speaker 3: saying these things like what are their professional ramifications? Because
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  Speaker 3: during COVID I learned if you became a vaccine truth
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  Speaker 3: about COVID, they could pull your your professional license if
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  Speaker 3: you were a physician. And then the slippery slope that
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  Speaker 3: they created by design, then if you question reproductive rights,
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  Speaker 3: they could pull it, and then that was that was
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  Speaker 3: the door that they opened. So I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: open the doors. And I don't know if I've spoken
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  Speaker 3: to a lot of physicians who are afraid to say
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  Speaker 3: anything about abortion.
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  Speaker 2: We're afraid to say what if your religiousness, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: Mostly don't care.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Well, it was always like that, even about the
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  Speaker 3: flu vaccine, like ten years ago, it was like that
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  Speaker 3: about the flu vaccine. You always had to get the
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  Speaker 3: flu vaccine as a nurse.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and I always did, and I never I never
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  Speaker 4: thought anything of it.
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  Speaker 3: So but I guess you don't have to work at
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  Speaker 3: the hospital anymore, so I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't work in a hospital. But also I
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  Speaker 4: live in Florida, so we have different protections here. I
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  Speaker 4: actually was when we first moved here DC. I still
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  Speaker 4: have my active license in DC. DC tried to take
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  Speaker 4: my license for me because I did not live there.
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  Speaker 4: I did not take care of patients there, but I
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  Speaker 4: was not vaccinated, and they mandated that everybody who was
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  Speaker 4: licensed in DC receive a vaccine, no matter what you're
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  Speaker 4: for COVID, no matter what your working status was. I
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  Speaker 4: was pregnant for them with my second daughter, who at
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  Speaker 4: the time thanked the Lord. She does not have any
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  Speaker 4: cardiac complications, but at the time they believed that she
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  Speaker 4: was going to be born with significant cardiac complications and
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  Speaker 4: there was no way I was going to do anything
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  Speaker 4: that could create any kind of, you know, additional complications
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  Speaker 4: for her. So I wasn't going to take the CODE vaccine.
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  Speaker 4: They tried, They tried to take my license for me
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  Speaker 4: in DC. So I had already been licensed in Florida,
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  Speaker 4: and Ronda Santis actually.
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  Speaker 3: Had me paying you is this whole podcast just sponsored
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  Speaker 3: by Ronda Santas.
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  Speaker 4: He's not, but he is part of the reason we
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  Speaker 4: moved here because the way that he's governed this state
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  Speaker 4: should be of roadmap for how every Republican governor should
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  Speaker 4: govern their state. I you know, spoke with him at
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  Speaker 4: a number of press conferences because he passed legislation that
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: protected people who made a decision to not get the
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  Speaker 4: vaccine that you couldn't take their license from them, whether
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  Speaker 4: they were a dog people who who do dog grooming
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  Speaker 4: have to be licensed by the state, like all the
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  Speaker 4: way through to you know, to physicians, so you were
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  Speaker 4: protected from your state issued license was protected in the
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  Speaker 4: state of Florida if you made a decision to not
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  Speaker 4: get the COVID vaccine. To my knowledge, it's the only
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  Speaker 4: state that passed legislation of that of that nature.
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  Speaker 3: So did you end up losing your DC license?
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  Speaker 4: DC? Actually a number of people sued, and DC actually
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  Speaker 4: backed down because, like me, like, how are you going
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  Speaker 4: to take my license from you? And I don't work there.
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  Speaker 4: The idea would be to protect patients, right, I don't
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  Speaker 4: see patients in DC.
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  Speaker 3: You know that was not about protecting, That was about enforcement, Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Without complient.
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  Speaker 6: Tell me a little bit about how you say that
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  Speaker 6: you never expected to be this person because I kind
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  Speaker 6: of relate to that a little bit, because it all
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  Speaker 6: kind of sounds conspiratorial and crazy in the beginning, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: then more and more stuff comes out and you're like, oh,
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: they will write.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And I had my own thing with this with receipts,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: because my husband has always been like, don't touch receipts.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Don't touch receipts, especially when I was pregnant. I mean,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: like you would wrestle a recipitto of somebody's hand before
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: they put it in my hand. And then the New
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: York Times put an article out like a week ago
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: and say, yeah, actually, proceeds are terrible and nobody should
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: be touching them.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the bbs in the receipts are so fine that
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: the continued exposure to them, it absorbs through your skin
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: and is an enterprint disruptor. What w So your husband,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: especially when you're when you're pregnant, your husband's very wise
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: to be protective because he understands there they're estrogen like compounds.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: They cling onto estrogen receptors. And when you when you
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: have an.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Overcaus punking me right now, did you like plan to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: talk about this?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Is what I mean. It all sounds crazy until it's.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: True, until it's true.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well in a receipt you're talking about like at
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: a store and so hands your receipt.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And the new guidelines I think, or like in the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: hospital it said, like anybody who is touching receipts day
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: and day out, so shopkeepers should be wearing gloves because
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: it's so like poisonous.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what, I love playing with receipts. They argue about it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I thought my husband was crazy.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I mean he is, yeah he is, but in a
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: good way.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Like that's good. So I love that about your husband, Nick, actually,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: because Seth is not conspiratorial enough.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Nick is very he's very skeptical. His his latest conspiracy theory,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: which I guess has been quite a long one. Now
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it's a I don't know if I say, this is
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: what I want. The US government created lime disease.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Oh you've said that on the podcast before I have.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that one's true too. Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I like the little devil on her shoulder that just
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: keeps pushing us.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I get things that like you don't want to be true,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: but are actually. I feel like that one is kind
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: of an open secret even among like health in the
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: healthcare world.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: So, but isn't there like a lime disease. These vaccine
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: that we don't use here.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was. It didn't pass through trials because it
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't quite effective enough. But I think it was like
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: seventeen per centified.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Like everything passed through a trial. Did they just not
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: pay enough?
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: No, it really wasn't effective and it had a very
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: it had a very poor risk profile.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: Oh fine, yeah, and unfortunately it would be great if
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: there was one, But.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I think there is another one now that is going
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: through its last couple of rounds of trials. It's much better.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: So I so, okay, I'll put my vaccine like beliefs
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: on the table. I used to be hyper diaper diaper,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: super duper pro vaccine, like I've written for every single
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: major publication about how terrible anti vaxxers are, and then covid.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Covid redpilled me. I'm not willing to do any deep
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: dives whatsoever because my youngest child is so old. At
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: this point, I'm super in on the MMR Measles is terrible,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: momps is terrible, Rebella is awful too, keep seeing that forever.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: But now I'm red pilled. So my oldest is eleven.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: She's eleven, at her eleven year old checkup, they tried
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: not so subtly to give us the what is it
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the HPV shot Gardasilah, yeah, they and they were like,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: she's due for a vaccine. And I was like, what
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: vaccine does she do at eleven? And they they were
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: like about to administer it, and they were like gardasil
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh no, no, that's not that's
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: not a mandatory one. That's not one I'm worth signing
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: up for right now. And they were like mmm, because
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I've always said yes, Like I'm like, yeah, sure, except
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: for the COVID. I've never said yes to the COVID.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: And we stopped doing the flu shot and my kids
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: were never healthier. It's terrible.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Never I was like flu shot every year. And then
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: this last year I read this study that may have
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: just confirmed my priors, which is my favorite kind of
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: science when it confirms my priors, and it said that
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it like it hyper drives your immune system and it
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: makes you more susceptible to like.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: All viruses yea and particularly respiratory viruses.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yes. And so I didn't get my kids the flu
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: shot this year or I think last year. I don't
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: remember if I did it how many years? But also
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I've been much more strict about hand washing, so like,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know which one it was.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: My viruses don't care about your hand washing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. But we've never had a
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: healthier winter ever.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not surprised by that. I used to. I used
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: to get a flu shot every year, and every year
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: i'd get like because I worked in a hospital, I'd
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: get like crappy, like one after the next. And yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I mean obviously don't work in a hospital anymore, so
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: their confounding factors here, but not since not getting.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Small children, that's worse than a hospital.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I haven't been sick and I don't know forever.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: If you want to be really red pilled, and this
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: is unfortunately also true, the most studied vaccine that exists
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: on the market is the Code vaccine. It's the most
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: well trialed, most studied vaccine. So everything else is less
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: and poorer trials than the Code vaccine. So if you're
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: red pilled on that, then like, just mull that over
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I guess the good thing about being British and having
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a terrible healthcare system way you don't get an appointment
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: if nephew Bagpuan is. I don't think I really had
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: any shots.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Really.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I had some, but like very few, Like I definitely
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: didn't have flu shots and like the yearly stuff. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: then I moved to America and I go to Green
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Cord and I had like five pages that I had
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to get.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: So my mom My mom died when I was sixteen,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and like I didn't know that I had to like
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: keep track of my stuff. There's so many things that
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: like I know, and so I didn't have like half
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: of my vaccine records. Like it was literally like a
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: card and one of the pages just wasn't on it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And so I had no idea at seventeen years old,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: like how do I I didn't think that I could
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: call my pediatrician and get the records. I should have
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: done that, but in order to go to New York
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: City Public School, I just had to get like all
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: the shots all over again.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I've done this a couple of times now because I
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: moved to America and then something else happened that required
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: me to have flowst shots and I just doubled them up.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I think I think it's how I got pregnant.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Oh you have to.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It was something and I remember just I was having
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: like a show off to day. So it's like three weeks.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: It's hard to get the tetanus one, which even even
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: my midwife. I got the tetnis shot every single pregnancy,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and the last one, the sixth one, my midwife's like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: you don't, don't do that again. You've had five tennis
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: shots in seven years. Don't do this again, this is silly. Well,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: didn't it provide whooping cough protection? Because that's what I
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: was told every single time that it conferred protection for
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: whooping cough to my unborn baby. That's why I got
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: it five times. And my midwife was like, it's kind
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of negligible, you don't really have to do it. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, now you tell me. So what's your verdict, Nurse.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Kate, You once you hit a certain threshold of antibody coverage,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: then you don't produce more antibodies, which is what in
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: theory at least provides the coverage. So your antibody tighters
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: would last for like five to seven years, and.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: So all of them were pointless. Yeah, it really hurts.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: It does hurt.
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I had to find all of them
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: in pregnancy, but I you know, I've gotten all of
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: them throughout all of my nursing career, and you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: we can't go to nursing school without a full record.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: But the you know, one of the other challenges is
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: you're dealing with adult immune system versus like neonatal immune systems.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: So the have b vaccine that's administered to babies who
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: are hours old, is of like, that's.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Well, who knows. Who knows if my new organ is
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: going to go and just start doing intravenous drugs. Well, yeah,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I mean we can only be we have to be cautious.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: You don't know when the prostitution begins, So like.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I'm more concerned about the intravenous drug use personally.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I just the every mother in the United States who
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: gives birth in a hospital has been tested for hepatitis
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: be so we know who the people the babies who
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: or at risk for this are.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: That would be the stereotype people. Let's just give it
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: all to everyone so that we're not mean to some people.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: No exactly, but we're gonna test everybody to make sure
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: that we know who has it. But then just give
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: the vaccine to all the babies anyway, Like the logic
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: doesn't hold up. And when you when you examine how
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: these babies were studied, it will like blow your mind.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I recommend not looking into it if you want, if
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: you want to just be happy.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Right, No, I wanted not tell me.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: One hundred and fifty three babies were observed for five days,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: and that was how they decided that every baby in
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the United States. Oh, and they weren't they weren't new
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: nates either. They weren't like one day old they were.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Didn't they do something like that with the covid shot too.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Wasn't there something like that they studied like ninety people.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: No, the covidot actually had a really decent cohort. What
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: they did was they ruined their They ruined the blind trial.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: So what they decided halfway through that it was so
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: effective that they needed to administer the vaccine to everybody
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: in the trial because it was unethical to allow people
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: to not have it. That makes sense, It's so stupid,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: It's like it's hard to wrap your head around it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: What actually has been coming out is that they were
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: observing such bad side effects from it that they didn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: want to have the data show the contrast, particularly in
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: young people, especially in young men with milecarditis.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And Okay, so you talk a lot about health and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: wellness on the insta and fore I'm done having babies,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: six babies, nine years. My body's different. They we'll say, oh,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I'm done, I'm done my baby. My body is different,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and I don't love it, not gonna lie, would like
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: to change things. I have joined the gym and I
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: just kind of like pick stuff up and I like what.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what I'm doing. And I got
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: like a personal training session, but I felt very self
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: conscious because I don't I don't like lifting thing. I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a weakling. This is embarrassing and I just felt like
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: very uncomfortable. So I feel like I will be more
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: comfortable with chat GPT giving me health and wellness advice.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: But I also don't think that that maybe is the
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: best idea. I don't know anyway, long winded question. What
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: do you say to moms like me who are like
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I need to get to the I need to get
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to the point where I'm happy with my body and
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: then I'm healthy. I don't want to be hot. I'm married.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I don't need to be hot. Anymore. I need to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: be healthy so that I can see my children have children. Yeah.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: One of the things I think that's not talked about
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: enough is like physical attraction in marriage is an important
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: thing obviously, but part of the reason that when you
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: watch your significant other like really taking care of their
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: physical health, that sends a message that they love you
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: because they want to be here for you, they want to.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Be I'm just kidding, by the way, I sexually harassed
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: my husband multiple times a day. Oh no, no, I know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: you're yeah, that was a joke.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: No, I know. I think it's one of the things
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: that we you know, I've had four kids in four years,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: and like my husband just started working out consistently recently,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: and I find it so it's like so attractive. Yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: it's not just because of the physical changes, but because,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: like to me, it's saying like I want to be
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the best version of myself for you and our kids,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: and I want to show up for our family like this,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: And I just I think it's really like a powerful
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: thing that you're doing this, that you're like going to
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: the gym and you're making effort to make changes, because
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: it's really hard to get started, getting.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Started is how what do I do? Tell me what
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: to do?
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of women underrest part of
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: lifting weights, and you know, walking around and picking up
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: heavy things is great. And actually if you're if you're
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: just starting, you will see changes just from doing that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: It kind of doesn't matter like what order or how
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: you do it. You'll get physical changes because your body
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: will respond to that stimulus. But a great way to
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: do it is to find there's so many online options,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: but find somebody who offers programming that is a strategic
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: approach at progressive overload for lifting weights. So this is
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: very simple basic movements. You're gonna squat, you're gonna hinge,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: you're gonna curl, You're gonna push, push, press, hinge, squat,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Like that's kind of the that's the game. And you
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: do that over and over and over and over again
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: until and.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Like repeating that push press, hinge, squat.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: So think about like a squat is just sitting down,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: sitting down and singing up. You can sit down onto
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: a box, even you can sit down onto a chair,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. Hinging is where you are using your poster
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: he or your chain, your glutes and your hamstrings and
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: you're to drive your body forward, so you're like bending
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: down and swinging up. You've seen people do kettlebell swings
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: where they like swing.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just I went to the gym with
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: a friend recently who has cancer, and she's really hot
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: and she's like super duper duper fit, and it was
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: she was showing me how to do everything, and I
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: was like, you have cancer and you're like better at
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: this than I am.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: What the heck?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Well, it's training though, it's training.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but I just made me feel I was like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I'm going to use the fifteen pound weights while you
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: there with cancer use the thirty pounds. And she was
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: really nice about it. She didn't give me a hard time.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Good you were grabbing a fifteen though, as so many
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: women grab like the two pound. And I'm like, I'm like, bro,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: you have a thirty pound poddler.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Like when the leading with cancer has thirty you have
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: to you have to show up.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, seriously, like you could. I saw you have that
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: car seat in one arm, and.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I was surprised at how I always assumed that I
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: was doing like weight training by having little children, and
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: then I realized, like, oh, I'm not nearly as strong
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: as I thought I was when I started actually doing
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: like because what I go into the weight room and
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I just do a circuit and the legs I'm fine,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Like I have very strong legs and my hips are
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: really strong, but the arms, I'm doing the lightest thing,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: and I'm I'm like blown out by the.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You have no apper body strength. It's embarrassing.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I I'm shocked because I'm constantly lifting children.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you You probably don't engage your shoulders a lot.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: You're you're kind of describing like using shoulders. So if
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: you don't use your shoulders a ton in any of
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: you're lifting, you might have strong biceps. You probably have
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: strong biceps from all that isometric holding that you do,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: But if you are not using your shoulders, then anything
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: that you do this overhead is going to just rip
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: up those shoulders. Your shoulders are pinal little muscles, so
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: those delts in there are are very small and they
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: don't take a lot of stimulus. So if that's kind
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: of the place where you're like, holy muly, I'm so
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: weak here, then training it's because you don't actually train
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: that unless you know you probably pick your kids up
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: every now and then, like you know, lift them over
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: your head or whatever. But if you're not training that
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: a lot with heavier weights, then you know.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: My dad was a body builder, and like he was
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: like a real bodybuilder. He was like insane, ripped, and
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: he used to lift me. He used to use me
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: as his as his weights, and so I remember as
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: a kid being told to like lay flat and he
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: would just bench press me as a kid.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: There's so many things I love about what you're doing though,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Like you're in the weight room. You're not intimidated being
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: in the weight room, like so many women are so intimidated.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: They're just like, I'm just gonna stay on the dread will.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: It's great too. I love the dreadmill.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: But like the key was, I joined an old person gym. Nice,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: everyone is really really old.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: But also again then it's embarrassing when the guy who
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: literally had to be wheeled in is lifting more than
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: you are. That could be embarrassing.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: That's actually a great hank though, No, it's a really
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: good idea. What about like a good old fashioned calorie deficit?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Do we still do that anymore? Is that not?
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I the only way you're going to lose body
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: fat is to be in a calorie deficit. I don't
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: care how you get there. That's how you lose body fat.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: So there's a lot of ways you can get there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: And right now, the sort of health and wellness crunchy
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: moms are like, never kill a calorie, well, just intuitively
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: eat Okay, Well, a lot of women's intuition is telling
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: them to eat like Dorito's and or chocolate cake day.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: When I was pregnant, it was a chocolate cake day.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not joking, Like a seventy two pounds I get really.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it happened so fast, right, it happened so
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: quickly because.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: That you're into, Like my midwife was like, you have
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: to stop this is this is so funny.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I feel the opposite. I use I use pregnancy as
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: a weight loss technique because I feel nauseous the whole
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: nine months, and so I lose weight when I'm pregnant,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: and then the second I have the and I'm nursing,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, WHOA, my god, I'm so hungry. I haven't
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: eaten in nine months, and that's when I gain it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I have no appetite when I'm breastfeeding, I like have
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: to force myself to eat. I know, isn't that weird?
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, here's I don't know if I can call this
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theory, but here's my thinking on the high protein trend.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's good. I think none of us are
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: getting enough protein. That said, I watch a lot of
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: these like health and fitness wellness women and they are
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: obsession with protein is an eating disorder, like full stop,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: it's actually an eating disorder. I follow a woman who
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: said she posted a video of herself force feeding herself
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: rotisserie chicken, and she's like this, I just have to
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: hit my protein goals for the day. And I'm like,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: if you are force feeding yourself chicken, that's wait.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Have you ever watch go Interrupted? The film No, It's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: about an insane asylum, and one of the women only
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: start tissory chickens.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Never want to eat a tiny chicken. Everything can become
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: an obsession. Anything can become an obsession, and you can
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: have an unhealthy relationship with food in a lot of ways.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: And I think, I think, actually, weirdly, a lot of
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: these people have unhealthy relationships with food already and then
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: they just sort of instead of it being like I'm
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: going to go you know, to the dryser every day
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: or whatever. Then they start creating these new loops, these
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: new obsessions, and it's it's like a dopamine hit and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: they you know, it's it's just, it's just it is
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: needing disorder. It's it's having.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Every every woman in college who was a dietarian, a
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: dietitian major had an eating disorder. Every single one.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, actually that do you know that? There's really good
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: data on that that a lot of them. Yes, that
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: this significant portion I'm not going to remember what the
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: data shows is it's something like eighty two percent or
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: something of nutritionists and dietitians go into the field because
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: they're trying to conquer their own disordered eating habits. So
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: why they become nutritionists and dietiti.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I'm going to sound like a scientologist. I feel this
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: way about people in mental health too. Ninety percent of
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: them are out of their frickin' minds and they became
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: psych majors or whatever to cure their own issues. It
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: was like physician heal by itself. And it's led to
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: me not trusting anyone ever on any expertise whatsoever. Because
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: all the public health people were all germophobic like shut ins.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: All the dietitian and nutrition people are all eating disorders.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: All the psychiatrists are all lunatics. Like who do I
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: talk to? What do I do here?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: This is like a really interesting thing that's happened with
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: the expert class is to some extent they've convinced people
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: to like I don't believe your lying eyes, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: And my approach, my thought is I'm just going to
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: observe the world around me and like, who who are
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: the people who look the healthiest, Who are the people
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: who feel the best? What do they do? Like, let's
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: do more of that. Well, you know what, the people
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: who I've met who are the healthiest and have the
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: best lives are the people who have great relationships, the
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: people who will go outside, who walk around, who sleep,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: like who do all the basic things and then a
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: lot of other things sort of fall into place, a
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: lot of their mental health issues, like a lot of
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: these other things kind of get in line behind that,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: And like that is I think we so way over
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: complicate everything. I mean, it should just be basic, simple
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: things like just.
• 41:52
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• 42:06
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• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Can I throw a random question at you? So, I
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent agree with you. But all of these
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: like health and wellness people that I trust lately are
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: on like a collagen trip, and I'm like, that doesn't
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: seem like normal to my diet, Like, that's not I'm
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: kind of like of the caveman variety of like what
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: did God intend me to do? What did God intend
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: us to eat two thousand years ago? And that's probably
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: what we should be eating. Collagen is not one of them,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: but they're all swearing by it. Okay, So explain this
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: So collagen in the form that you would eat it,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: like in a protein powder. No, But collagen is naturally
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: occurring and is in the bones and ligaments and the
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: carcasses of red ant. So forever an animal gets butchered
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: and they boil down the bones and make bone broth
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: that is collagen rich. When you take a chicken out
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: of the oven and you like let the you, let
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: the US and you know, come back and it's July.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're just recycling their own health. They're they're
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: just recycling their own health thing from like four years ago.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, collogen is just a form of protein.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, fine, so I then that's fine. Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I have a question. So do you think that maha
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know how to train this. Do
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: you think maha Ernie became popular because of Rfkgunia? I
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: guess obviously dance is a yes, But like, do you
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: do you think you would have naturally come more into
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the conversation anyway? Do you think we're just like ac
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: a point where food standards and kind of just general
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: health standards have got so low that these things were
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: bound to start boiling out of it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: So I think what's been harnessed is the power of moms, specifically,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Specifically moms are so tired of having their kids be
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: tired of to be sick of like being told that
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: they shouldn't trust their intuitions and that they don't have
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: any their instincts are wrong, and that they go to
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: their doctor who sees their kid for what thirty seconds,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: you know, once a year and then they're told like, oh,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: all of your concerns are silly and you don't know
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: they're fine or have really serious issues. And there's something,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: there's something, there's something rumbling right that, like there has
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: been there for a lot long time. That when Donald
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Trump and RFK Junior stood up on that stage and
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: the fireworks went off behind them, it was like, oh,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: my gosh, yes, like this is the thing. So I
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: think it would have come to a head somewhere, It
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: just that was the moment when it happened.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: What do you think is next? Like what do you
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: want from him?
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: So he did a really huge thing not to make
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: this whole conversation about vaccines. I actually almost never talk
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: about vaccines, but the because I do think it's a
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: personal issue and like I have personal reasons for my
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: family why I make these the decision I do, and
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I think other people should do the same thing for
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: their family. But he fired the entire board of seventeen
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: who make the decisions on what goes on to the schedule,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and is replacing and redoing all of these different task
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: force and boards and councils and will be completely remaking
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: how the decisions are made and what goes into the
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: public sphere. So that's a little bit wonky, but my gosh,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: is that significant and huge and like kind of under
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: the radar right now. But that's going to produce a
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: lot of change over the next couple of years that
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: people are not ready for. And he is very serious
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: that by the fall they're going to have some preliminary
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: answers on where autism, like what is the deal with
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: autism in this country? Are our rates of autism are?
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: It's just unbelievable, And they will have some answers and
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: that research will continue to develop, and I think a
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: lot of parents are going to get a lot of relief.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: It's such a touchy subject because everybody's so scared to
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: hear something like, oh, it's this, because maybe they will
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: feel like it was their fault. No parents should ever
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: ever feel that way. Any parent out there has been
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: doing the best that they can with the information they
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: have in front of them, and that's the best you
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: can do. But for moving forward, we do need to
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: know what are the factors that play here and what
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: do we need to be thinking about for the next generation,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: So that that's thing.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: So that's coming out in the fall there.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have research councils already set up, they have
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: the funding in place, and they're already making headway in
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: the study design.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Interesting. I have my doubts if, like how much will
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: actually happen, just because I live in DC and.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of policy work for the VA for
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: the last like four years of my professional careers. So
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I've been shocked at what's happened already. I know, people
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: don't understand unless you you know, unless you are exposed
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: to it. They don't understand how how huge what's already
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: happened is.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I have friends in the scientific community here,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: and I wonder how much they're like, how many people
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: are going to be able to sign on to do
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: that kind of research who are not fearful for their
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: future career prospects and their social I think one of
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: the things that a lot of people outside of DC
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: don't totally understand is the social pressure that happens inside
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: the Beltway everywhere. So like, even people like me, very outspoken,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: very whatever, there are things that I don't talk about
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: because like my daughter's best friend's dad works, so and
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: so my daughter's friend's mom works and I just because
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: there's a social pressure and I never respected that that
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: was a thing until I had kids, and then it's
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: become like this very awkward dynamic and like running into
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: people at synagogue who works so and so. And there's
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: a ton of social pressure inside the Beltway, and it
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: is a lot worse than the scientific community.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: It's really bad in this scientific community. But there's been
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: a couple of big things that have already happened that
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: paved the way for this. Andrew Hugerman is a I
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: don't know if you know who that is, but a
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: huge podcast. He's a researcher. He is the number one
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: health and wellness podcast and it's not close. And he
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: actually did this like four hour interview with Martin McCarey.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I love Marty by the way, I have his book
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: like on my night say, I'm looking at it right now.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Well really, yeah, it's really good. I really recommend it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: They're getting buy in. They're getting buy in from the
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: research community, they're getting buy in from this world, and
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: they're restructuring the way that the NIH funding is doled out,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: which is a huge portion of how these institutions the research.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: So they're they're making some significant changes to the way
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: that that's doled out, and that in turn is going
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: to open up a lot of doors. So a lot
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: of it's just about setting the precedents and making sure
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: that the money flows to the right places, which is
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: a piece that's often missing. Is right, right, luck, But
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: then they don't actually do anything with the money. So
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: I think that that is one of the most important things.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: I think that it was I'm sorry he interviewed ye.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Jay is at nah Yah, Marty is at FDA, right, Yes,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I also love Jay. I think that it was fate
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: that Donald Trump lost the in between. I think that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: it was a very very good thing that he went
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: into the wilderness and he walked away and spent four years,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: because I think that if he had flowed from one
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: to the other, nothing significant really would have happened. I
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: think he would have done great stuff whatever. But this
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: like brain trust that he's developed and the people who
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: came in swinging what this would not have happened if
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: he had just won a second term and floated right
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: into it. I'm very very glad that he lost to
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Joe by them sleepy Joe.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: No, I totally agree with that. I think it was
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: a really I think people really underestimate the swamp. And
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: I think people like him who figured out how to
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: go to Wall Street, how to be in New York,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: how to like claim social ranks in Hollywood, get his
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: own TV show, like whatever, all accomplishments he's had in
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: all of these other institutions across the United States, he
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: was now prepared for DC. He had no idea what
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: he was walking into, and they just they just had
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: their way with him.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: They and then they tried to use the swamp to
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: destroy him.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just I totally agree with that. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: not because of Donald Trump the vessel necessarily, but because
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: of the direction of the country. I'm so so glad
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: that this has gone the way it's gone. We have
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: nothing if we don't have our health right, it's the
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: most important thing. And to continue to ignore what is
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: so evident in front of us.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: You know, the.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Washington Post or maybe New York Times just wrote an
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: article about how one in three teens is pre diabetic.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Thirty three percent of teens are now pre diabetic. I mean, like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: what is in front of us is a glaring stop
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: sign that we have.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's futility for me. That's the one that's like, wow,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: this is how can we not How is everybody not
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: screaming this from the rooftops? And single woman and male
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: on earth is less fertile than there were twenty years ago,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: thirty years ago, That to me is just insane if insane?
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: And can I before before we stop, I want to
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: tell a very quick story, Kara. I messaged you this
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: today and you asked me if I was adhd.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: It's because it was the tenth one in a row.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is she even doing?
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: So I fell down a rabbit hole today yesterday and
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I remember, have you ever heard of Derek and something?
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I don't remember her last name, Huffman? Does his name
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: sound familiar.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: To and Derek Huffman.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I am very late to the party. I fell down
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: this rabbit hole yesterday. I think they are a couple
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: from Texas who decided to move to Russia because they
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: don't like they don't like LGBT stuff, they don't like
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: the food, whatever, and they so they were they were
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: the subject of this like very glowing propaganda thing from
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Russian television about how they moved to Russia. It's not
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: going well for them. Spoiler alert. But I'm I'm like
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: screaming at the I'm like, there is is a better way.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: You don't You don't have to move to Russia and
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: have your husband join the army. You can, like, there
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: are things you can do here, So using that instead
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: of fleeing to a country that will send your husband
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: to the Ukrainian front.
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: If I just when I'm just reading that, they promised
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: him that he would be a.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Welder, and he wouldn't you send to the front lines
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and now send him to the front lines. Oh my god.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, don't.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Deffect from your country. Okay, Like let's start with that.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Like you get what you get when you defect like that.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So I'm using that story. First of all,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I just want to put it in everyone's head because
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with it and I want everyone else to
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: be obsessed with it.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: But I saw the headline. I didn't read this story,
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: so I'm I'm glad you know that it's not going
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: well for them.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: You have you have to do. I implore everyone should
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: just do a really deep dive because it's very enterting,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: and I want the Netflix thing to be to option
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: immediately because I need to see like two hours of this.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: It's like the poop cruise on that I need, I
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: need more. All of that said, I'm using that as
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: a jumping off point instead of defecting to Russia, what
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: are some easy button things people can do that are
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: not defecting to Russia to eat healthier.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: It just seems like a lot of work in order
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: to get a little healthier. I feel like in between,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I love health policy, I love talking big picture, I
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: love like that's that is something I personally enjoy, but
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: that's not helpful for most people.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: So first of all, everyone should follow you on X
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: and instat at Kate Johnson, nurse Kate Johnson. Sorry, but
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: what's the easy button?
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: The easy button is that you eat. You just need
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: to eat real food, single ingredient items. Most of your
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: house should be made up of single ingredient items, eggs, watermelon, hamburger.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: It shouldn't have an ingredient list. If most of the
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: food that you buy on a weekly basis is single
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: ingredient items, you're gonna be mostly there. You do need
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: to move your body every day. You need to figure
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: out some way to exercise that you enjoy that gets
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: you moving walking is amazing. I love walking. I take
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: my kids walking five hundred times a day. You don't
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: have to do anything, you don't have to do extreme things.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Most of this stuff is super simple. You need to
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: prioritize your sleep. As moms, I know that that's hard.
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  Speaker 4: My kids have been up for like two weeks straight.
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  Speaker 4: I think. So we go through seasons, but we do
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  Speaker 4: the best we can, right we instead of scrolling our
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  Speaker 4: phones until one in the morning, put your down and
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: go to bed at nine thirty? Is that a bed time?
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Stick to it as.
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  Speaker 3: It's ten o'clock right now. I just want to say
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  Speaker 3: to our listeners that we're recording this at three pm.
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  Speaker 4: It is I am normally in bed at nine thirty.
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  Speaker 4: It's so funny because Carol, who connected us, is like,
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  Speaker 4: I know you go to bed really early. She doesn't
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  Speaker 4: record it until nine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can I just go back to something that you
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  Speaker 2: just said? Because I think food is a very interesting
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  Speaker 2: one because a lot of the time people think that
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  Speaker 2: they pick it up decent stuff, and then it's not
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  Speaker 2: until you lock on the back and you really have
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  Speaker 2: to look for it. Sometimes that they I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You can pick a butter and then you look at
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  Speaker 2: the back and it's like, oh, butter flavoring and it's
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  Speaker 2: not actually better, And it's like, how are people meant
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  Speaker 2: to differentiate between wants real and wants crap without so
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  Speaker 2: much work?
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  Speaker 4: I Unfortunately, you are going to have to put in work.
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  Speaker 4: If you're buying package, you're product package, your bagged items,
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  Speaker 4: you will have to spend time to read labels. The
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  Speaker 4: easiest way to do that is to pick one thing
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  Speaker 4: in your kitchen that you would like to overhaul, so
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  Speaker 4: you know you are you're not going to buy potato
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  Speaker 4: chips anymore? What's my alternative to that? How am I gonna?
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  Speaker 4: What am I going to get? And find that item?
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  Speaker 4: And when you go to the grocery store you buy
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  Speaker 4: the same thing over and over again. You have like
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: your little like hoop that you do, so just switch
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  Speaker 4: out the products in that loop to make them better
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  Speaker 4: choice products. There are brands, you know, there are so
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  Speaker 4: many great accounts online that you can follow who will
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: direct you towards brands, so you can just when you
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: go or when you're shopping on Amazon, you can just
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: find those product items people who've already done the work
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  Speaker 4: for you.
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  Speaker 7: I love the company, just ingredients because she does all
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  Speaker 7: the work for you.
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  Speaker 4: So anything you order from her company is like, you
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  Speaker 4: can just trust it that it's good. Companies like that
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  Speaker 4: because it's it is impossible. Nothing makes me more crazy
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  Speaker 4: then watching people who have no children, health influencers have
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: no children walk into a grocery store and hold up
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  Speaker 4: a package of something and talk like in paragraphs about
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  Speaker 4: like like my kids are trying to rip the shelves down.
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  Speaker 3: I read I read Cassie Means. Is that the book? Yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Casey Means. I read it and I was so angry
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  Speaker 3: I had to put it down because I was like,
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  Speaker 3: these people, I don't even need to look on Wikipedia.
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  Speaker 3: They do not have children. I can't. I can't with this,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: like the the like amount of brain space that they
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: use on feeding themselves every day. I'm like, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I I don't have that, and I have to feed
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  Speaker 3: people who are not going to eat that. This is
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  Speaker 3: not for me.
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  Speaker 4: I know. I get asked that. I get that a lot,
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  Speaker 4: like your kids eat that, and they do, and we
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: just don't have another choice. So you're gonna starve. You're
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: not going to start so like once you get hungry,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: then you'll eat it. But but I take my kids
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: for pizza and ice cream every Friday. That is our
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: like standing family tradition. You go to pizza and ice
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: cream every Friday. And you know, when we're out at
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: a hotel or whatever, do they eat hot dogs? Absolutely?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: They do. Like do we when we go to a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: birthday party? Do they eat the birthday cake? Yes? They do,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: like if they want to, they don't actually like it,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: which is I don't know how that happened, But my
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: oldness is always like, this is too sweet, mom too,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: and that's funny, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I use I think that's where to get advice
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: about the grocery shop, that we just swap out one
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: thing at a time and just think you focus on.
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  Speaker 3: I had potato chips in Italy, and I like potato
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  Speaker 3: chips for the first time in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I hate it's an average on coffee. So I don't
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: trust any at you here, I Phineas, Do you.
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  Speaker 4: Want to know what's so crazy? I can't believe I'm
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: going to say this, but this is an absolute fact.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: I would have eaten Reese's peanut butter cups and like
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: buy the handfuls like that was one of my absolute
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: favorite things. My kids got resist peanut butter cups in
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: their Halloween trick or treating bags. I tried one after
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: not having one for years, and it tasted so bad
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: because once like like retrain your palate, all of a
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: sudden you can taste the chemicals and it is so weird.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: And when you go to Italy and you go to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: other countries and you taste food that doesn't have all
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: those additives, it does taste You're like, yeah, why is this,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Like the bread tastes so different, and it's it's crazy
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: how that works. But it's so true.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: With that, I think we're gonna let you go to bed.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna sit on my phone for at least another hour.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not good.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: I'll let you go to sleep. Everybody, thank you so
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: much for joining us.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Drive should be to feel your best. So if what
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: you're doing makes you feel good, then like who cares what.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: I just I just need a loane time with no
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: one climbing on me.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: I do the opposite where I I wake up at
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: five o'clock so that I can come now and it's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: it have coffee work out because I get touched out.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah I need I did that this. So I co
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: hosted morning radio last week and it totally threw off
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: my internal clock. And I've been up every morning for
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: a week at five am. It's been delightful. Who am I.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you, if you had told me when
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: I was before I had kids that I would be
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: saying that I wake up and I like it, my
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: husband would have laughed at you. My husband been like
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: you my wife.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, same. I've woken up every morning the past
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: week and a half at five thirty five, five thirty.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is amazing, just like here and I'm
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: by someone jumping on me with a dirty diaper.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: My baby is has been sleeping for the past couple
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: of weeks. I thought she was a knee mich or something.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I like. I took her to the video qussion and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, is this okay? She he's fallen asleep
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: at like seven and waking up at like nine thirty,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: nice straight through and I know, okay, So I'm I'm
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I'm rounds shouldn't at the moment.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Mikes are actually good sleepers.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: My kids generally are. My I have a five month
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: old and he's gone through that like learning how to
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: sleep thing right now, Oh.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: My god, that was it was so long. But then
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: when she got it, it was so good.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's that's the problem. And then you know,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: when you have a lot, it's one kid one night,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: one kid another night, like somebody fell out of her
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: my three year old fell out of bed, and you know,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: it's just one thing after the.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, we think that they're like actually like taking
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: like they like sit sit in a circle, and they're like, Okay,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: you take Monday, you take Tuesday, you take.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: That's what it feels like sometimes because yeah, it's it's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: rarely is it all of them? But you get the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: baby every night and then one other one and there's
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: your night.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Yep. And with that, I think we should all go
• 1:04:34
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