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257: Random Review · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome.
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  Speaker 4: To Movie Meltdown, I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Dave, the only Dave.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, just one this week. I'm Greg. I'm Beau,
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  Speaker 4: there's never.
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  Speaker 6: Been another one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, in the world or? On the show. At least
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  Speaker 2: not that I know of.
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  Speaker 6: I think you're right on the show, as far as
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  Speaker 6: I know. I would think I would be the authority
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  Speaker 6: on this thing, but you never know. Speaking of Bo,
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  Speaker 6: we are coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 6: Bo's house. So thank you for letting us move on
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  Speaker 6: into your area here.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: You won't leave.
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  Speaker 4: And break your furniture. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for breaking my chair.
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  Speaker 4: Break your furniture. Crack.
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  Speaker 2: In that order.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that someone else broke your.
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  Speaker 2: I think somebody probably broke my chair when I was
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  Speaker 2: in China, and now I'm just now discovering it. But see,
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  Speaker 2: that was the.
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  Speaker 4: I still revealed the break.
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  Speaker 6: It's time to start piecing this mystery together. I want
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  Speaker 6: you to shoot a whole version of this.
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  Speaker 2: Like an Agatha Christie.
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  Speaker 6: As you track down who was responsible for breaking that
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  Speaker 6: chair over there. So we are.
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  Speaker 2: That actually comes to mind.
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  Speaker 6: It was from the Oscar show.
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  Speaker 2: It might have been from the Oscar show and just
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  Speaker 2: haven't noticed.
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  Speaker 6: He's hid it since then. He jammed it back over here.
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  Speaker 2: Also euphemisms. Right.
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  Speaker 6: Anyway, so this week we had a lot of open
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  Speaker 6: area here and we said, hey, let's talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's the end of the year. We'll just talk about
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  Speaker 6: stuff we've seen this year and thoughts on stuff that
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  Speaker 6: has come out in general. So, do we have a
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  Speaker 6: starting point on this thing? Are we going chronologically or
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  Speaker 6: in reverse? How would you like to go about this?
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  Speaker 4: Chronologically would be useless for me because I've seen virtually
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  Speaker 4: nothing in theaters.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I know what I've seen
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  Speaker 2: chronologically because I've got a calendar in front of me
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  Speaker 2: that has everything I've written.
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  Speaker 6: I thought you've got a better option.
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  Speaker 2: My year started with The Apple.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 6: Did we inspire that is what I'm hoping.
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  Speaker 2: No actually remember I came to you and I was
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  Speaker 2: like we should do an Apple show and you're like
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  Speaker 2: oh we have.
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  Speaker 4: We did.
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  Speaker 2: It was apparently three years or something but I was
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  Speaker 2: watching it and I was like what a delightful mess
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  Speaker 2: this is. It's trying to be Rocky Horror. It's trying
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  Speaker 2: to be Phantom of the Paradise and it's trying so
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  Speaker 2: hard to be all those things. I can't stop watching
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  Speaker 2: it because it's really cool but I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I don't think he did either when he was
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  Speaker 6: making it. But there's times when it, like, in its
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  Speaker 6: own little way, kind of one-ups each thing it's trying
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  Speaker 6: to be. Like, sometimes it's more amazing to watch than
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  Speaker 6: the stuff I think it was trying to mimic. But
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  Speaker 6: at the same time, in the end, you're like, what
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  Speaker 6: was all that?
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  Speaker 2: Because the whole Apple song number in hell, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's a showstopper.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember. I might have been.
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  Speaker 1: texting brian or something the night i watched it it
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  Speaker 1: was like one o'clock in the morning it came on.
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  Speaker 6: Weird facebook messaging maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Facebook yeah and i was like what am i watching
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  Speaker 1: and i'm like this is like i don't know what
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  Speaker 1: i'm like two minutes later i was like this is
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  Speaker 1: the best thing i've ever seen yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And i had already talked to katherine mary stewart about
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  Speaker 6: being in that and did i'm like it's of all
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  Speaker 6: the stuff of hers i'd seen that was the one
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  Speaker 6: that somehow fell through the cracks and i was just
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  Speaker 6: like she's starting to talk about it and i'm just
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  Speaker 6: like what what are you describing here? And she's talking
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  Speaker 6: about working with that director, who is a crazy person. And, like, then, like,
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  Speaker 6: within a few months, I think you ended up seeing it.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm like, wait, okay, that's the one she was,
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  Speaker 6: so then it's like, okay, now we have to bring
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  Speaker 6: all this nonsense together and watch it. And, yeah, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Are you familiar with this?
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  Speaker 4: I've just heard of it.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, my.
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  Speaker 1: It's like American Idol during Blade Runner.
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  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And it's presented as a musical.
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  Speaker 2: It does have that Rocky Horror shock treatment style to it.
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  Speaker 2: I really feel like he was trying to make something
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  Speaker 2: in that vein. Or Phantom of the Paradise. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like basically this was a director where he even maybe
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  Speaker 2: watched those movies and loved them and wanted to make
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  Speaker 2: something like them, but didn't get... what was successful about them.
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  Speaker 2: It was more of an imitation rather than an homage
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  Speaker 2: and it just, it comes off as just very weird
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  Speaker 2: because there's like a hippie love message at the end
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  Speaker 2: of it where God shows.
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  Speaker 4: Up and it's just, in a gold roll.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, God shows up in a gold roll that comes
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  Speaker 2: driving down from the sky.
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  Speaker 6: From heaven, like it does. When the rapture happens.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of coke. In production, there was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of coke. You can tell.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But it's so, like, the scale of it is amazing.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't know how he got this to happen.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like watching Zardoz.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would say it's analogous.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds like something that's a complete, you know, this
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  Speaker 4: is what I'm looking for. amazing it's an anachronism in
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  Speaker 4: that it's not something you would see made now oh
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  Speaker 4: no how did they pull this off yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean that's the whole time I'm like aside from
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  Speaker 6: the fact that it's a musical and like it's insane
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  Speaker 6: but like there's also like there's times when they have
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  Speaker 6: these huge like street scenes with all these people I'm
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  Speaker 6: like how did you make that happen they've got a
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  Speaker 6: weird monorail that they work in I think we pieced
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  Speaker 6: together which city they stole that they went there just
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  Speaker 6: to shoot the weird monorail thing cause it's the future
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  Speaker 6: And then there's other ones, like just the sets that
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  Speaker 6: they have. The Hell scene is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the same one from Fahrenheit 451, is it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 6: I think we pinned down what city it was at
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  Speaker 6: the time. It's been a while since I've seen it now.
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  Speaker 6: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know where it was made. Was it
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  Speaker 4: European or was it American? I don't know. i think
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  Speaker 4: it's canadian i think canadian i think they shot some
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  Speaker 4: of that i think farrah and i was canadian.
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  Speaker 6: Again the filmmaker made a lot of stuff in like
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  Speaker 6: the middle east originally and then like came here and
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  Speaker 6: ended up making a lot of american action movies later
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  Speaker 6: which is weird i suppose but in the middle he
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  Speaker 6: made this like yeah shooting with a lot of canadian
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  Speaker 6: actors and like Oh, musical. Yeah, it so doesn't fit
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  Speaker 6: anything on either side of his career.
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  Speaker 2: How old is the movie? 80.
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  Speaker 3: 80.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so that far back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, now it's coming back to me. I remember hearing
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  Speaker 4: about this.
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  Speaker 6: It's amazing. So, if you haven't seen it, go.
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  Speaker 2: Watch the Apple. It's one where it's, there's like a
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  Speaker 2: list of movies to where they're just a mess and
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  Speaker 2: somehow that's what I find entertaining about, like toys I
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  Speaker 2: would put on the same level of, as the Apple
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  Speaker 2: because it's visually, it's amazing to look at just like Apple.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing to look at.
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  Speaker 6: But like toys, I can see where he got that money.
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  Speaker 6: Like he was a huge bankable name at that time
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  Speaker 6: and they would have given him a little more license,
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  Speaker 6: but this guy was just an insane person.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the whole thing. It's kind of weird. It's
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  Speaker 2: like you start thinking about some of these movies to
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  Speaker 2: where the public just did not get them. And it's,
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  Speaker 2: you look and find out, okay, why is it that
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  Speaker 2: this was made? It's like, well, you could see Toys
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  Speaker 2: was coming off of Rain Man. It's like he's just,
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to make a fun project now that he'd
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  Speaker 2: gotten all that renown. Zardoz, it was right after Deliverance.
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  Speaker 2: And even like, you know, a lot of people didn't
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  Speaker 2: get A Serious Man, but it's like, well, the Coens
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  Speaker 2: made it right after No Country for Old Men. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: there's always the, you could almost make a list of
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  Speaker 2: all these projects that directors made after they got recognition,
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  Speaker 2: just because they got the freedom.
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  Speaker 6: Just watching Sorcerer. I don't know how that movie got made,
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  Speaker 6: other than he was writing out the last two or
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  Speaker 6: three that he made. Like, it's the biggest name in
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  Speaker 6: the world at that point, and then he makes this
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  Speaker 6: weird movie that's kind of awesome, but at the same
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  Speaker 6: time horribly titled, and like, just badly sold to the public,
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  Speaker 6: and nobody got it, and only now are people finding it,
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  Speaker 6: and yeah, I'm amazed by it, but Not what you expected.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like with Tim Burton it was the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: After he'd done Batman and all that, he got the
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  Speaker 2: freedom to make Ed Wood.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. He went backwards, yeah. He scaled it backwards.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we're working with Disney, and so Disney will allow
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  Speaker 4: you to make your vanity project. As much as we
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  Speaker 4: loved Ed Wood.
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  Speaker 6: Screwed him over for years, too.
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  Speaker 4: So then they hand him projects. Here, do this.
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  Speaker 2: And then he had Mars attacks after. There's your mess.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, wait till we get to playing those.
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  Speaker 5: Games.
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  Speaker 6: That's the nail in his coffin.
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  Speaker 2: It has practical effects in it.
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  Speaker 4: It has a lot to say. I mean, Lord, the
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  Speaker 4: makeup's amazing.
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  Speaker 6: It has two good ape performances.
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  Speaker 4: Casting is good. I don't mind that they changed the
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  Speaker 4: basic concepts. I mean, why not?
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  Speaker 6: Again, we've already seen the original.
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  Speaker 4: But it just adds up to nothing.
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  Speaker 6: I prefer doing something different.
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  Speaker 2: And Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which had potential, but...
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  Speaker 2: I feel like just kind of squandered it.
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  Speaker 4: Still haven't seen it. It's part of my whole boycotting
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  Speaker 4: project when it comes to reboots, remakes, good, bad. I
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  Speaker 4: don't care anymore.
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  Speaker 6: This one at least does its own thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it really does take it back and is trying to
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  Speaker 6: piece together the before story. So at least it's not
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  Speaker 6: redoing the same thing we've seen at least twice now,
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  Speaker 6: if you want to count that other one.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed the basic premise of it. I just felt
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  Speaker 2: like there were so many... If they're trying to give
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  Speaker 2: a scientific basis behind what happened, it's like there were
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  Speaker 2: way too many flaws. I haven't seen Prometheus, but everybody
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  Speaker 2: who cites why they don't like Prometheus, they cite the
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  Speaker 2: same things. It's like there's so many leaps of faith
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  Speaker 2: and just plot holes to where if you start picking
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  Speaker 2: the story apart, it doesn't work. And that's pretty much
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  Speaker 2: Rise of the Planet of the Apes, too.
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  Speaker 4: Prometheus is the singular example of a script which hangs
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  Speaker 4: on the ability of every character to do the stupidest
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  Speaker 4: thing imaginable. to perceive what they're calling a plot. It's just... I'd.
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  Speaker 6: Like to do an entire Prometheus episode.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I could count that because I think I
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  Speaker 4: finally watched it at the beginning of 2013 on DVD.
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  Speaker 4: I just looked at it and was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: It had so much... I believe it had so much... Well,
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  Speaker 1: if we're going to have an episode, I'm out of time.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I've heard this dialogue so
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  Speaker 2: much from so many different people, it's got me curious
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I think it would be interesting, especially I
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  Speaker 6: want to hear Fred's take on it. We need to
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  Speaker 6: get Fred involved in this.
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  Speaker 4: Because I've heard so many people trying to defend it,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, how can you defend this indefensible movie?
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  Speaker 4: I don't care that it looks great. I don't care.
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  Speaker 4: In this sense, it's like, God, everyone is so ignorant.
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  Speaker 5: They really are.
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  Speaker 2: Looking at my calendar, in the way of musicals that
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  Speaker 2: are also visually cool and still a mess that I
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  Speaker 2: saw two weeks later, was repo the genetic op oh
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  Speaker 2: yeah i didn't.
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  Speaker 6: Hate that i think i expected to dislike it more
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  Speaker 6: than i.
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  Speaker 2: Did yeah and it's got a lot of cool stuff
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  Speaker 2: to it but it just it falls kind of flat
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  Speaker 2: yeah at the end and as a.
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  Speaker 4: Film i think it does i think as a production
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  Speaker 4: on stage i might have enjoyed it more and the only.
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  Speaker 2: Other thing that bothered me was just yeah i understand
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to do an opera i mean it's
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  Speaker 2: everything is singing but i think it would have been
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  Speaker 2: more successful had Between the musical numbers, it's just been
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  Speaker 2: standard dialogue because I don't think the cast that they
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  Speaker 2: had could sell that.
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  Speaker 6: Some of them were pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Paul Sorvino alone, yeah, he's the one that kind of
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  Speaker 2: made it for me.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Anthony Head, I thought he had some great stuff.
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  Speaker 6: It was one of those he did have a singing
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  Speaker 6: career that nobody really knew about in this country, so
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  Speaker 6: he could back it up.
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  Speaker 4: Most of the people who responded strongly to it that
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  Speaker 4: I know are younger. So for them, it was fresh.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, wow, this is a real opera. It's
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  Speaker 4: a genre film, too.
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  Speaker 2: It would build up momentum, and it would just kind
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  Speaker 2: of slow down. It would just build it up and
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  Speaker 2: slow down.
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  Speaker 6: But it did have an interesting story, one that has
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  Speaker 6: been taken and done with many, many times now. But
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  Speaker 6: the way they did it was at least an original
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  Speaker 6: spin on it, I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: Was the movie just something called Repo? It was the
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  Speaker 4: same concept?
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  Speaker 2: Repo, the Jenna Garber.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that one, there was Repo Men, wasn't there?
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  Speaker 6: Repo Men, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Which.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of the same premise, minus the music.
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  Speaker 4: I wondered if that was an indirect... I think it.
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  Speaker 6: Was one of those both of them were already in
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  Speaker 6: the works.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking about the Harry Dean Stanton.
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  Speaker 4: There was a science fiction film done about guys who
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  Speaker 4: harvested organs. It came and went so fast.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as you said it, it was kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of a.
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  Speaker 6: Remake.
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  Speaker 4: I thought someone had literally tried to just adapt genetic
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  Speaker 4: opera into.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's one of those that it was that
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  Speaker 6: Thing that always happens In Hollywood That like We've got
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  Speaker 6: this idea Hey guess what They do over here too
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  Speaker 6: Who can get it.
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  Speaker 4: Done faster Yeah I remember that coming out.
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  Speaker 1: The Disney wild And the Madagascar thing Yeah Came out
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  Speaker 1: immediately Yeah It's one.
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  Speaker 6: Of those I'm pretty sure They were both Already in
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  Speaker 6: the works But Repo The Genetic Opera Came out like
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  Speaker 6: It might have been Like a year before About a
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  Speaker 6: year It had a pretty good Head start So I
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  Speaker 6: think that's Part.
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  Speaker 4: Of why I remember seeing The trailer going Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah Because Repo Men was more of a buddy comedy
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing, wasn't it? Like a futuristic.
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  Speaker 4: I think it kind of turned into one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it did.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, is this only about five years old, Repo Men,
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  Speaker 2: that you're talking about?
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  Speaker 6: It came out right after the Genetic Opera, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, then I think I know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it is.
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  Speaker 6: It had the bigger budget.
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  Speaker 4: It had a bigger.
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  Speaker 6: two pretty bankable stars. It should have worked better. It's
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  Speaker 6: completely forgetting who was in it.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, they were big names. I remember that,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know who they were. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting it confused with the.
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  Speaker 2: We'll say Mark Wahlberg was one.
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  Speaker 1: It's exactly what I was going to say. I keep
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  Speaker 1: going back to the other guys with Will Ferrell and
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  Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's weird you say that because that was
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  Speaker 2: one where one of these years I was flipping back
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  Speaker 2: through my calendars like, the other guys, what the hell
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  Speaker 2: was that movie? And I looked it up online and
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 7: Like, Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No wonder I don't remember that.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that as like part of a double feature
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  Speaker 2: at Georgetown Drive-In. That was the one I had to
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  Speaker 2: sit through to get to the one I wanted.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: You know, speaking of Mark Wahlberg and comedies, for the
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: longest time I wanted.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: To see Ted.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: We're going back to Planet of the Apes?
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to see Ted because my son has a
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: stuffed bear that has a personality and does all– especially
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: when he was younger, did all the bad stuff.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like it grew on him.
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: This isn't an electronic device. He just had stories that went.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I think I remember you telling us about it. And
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: so when something went wrong, it was always Bear Bear's fault. And,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you know, it came naturally to him to say that.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: And I feel like it does with a lot of kids.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: And so many of the stories from the people that
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: would tell me about the movie Ted.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: And then I would.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, it was almost like, hey, he
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: wrote this movie. And finally, someone at work was talking
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: about it every day. He's like, here, he brought it
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: to me and said, watch it.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, I did. And I was so disappointed.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: It was, you know. It's one of those things where
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: the concept was good. And then I saw the little
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Flash Gordon scene, which I thought was cute. Right.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just online. Oh, that's funny. But then
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: it sounds like it doesn't really.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: Well, that's kind of the way Seth MacFarlane works. He
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: has moments that you're like, that was really funny. That
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: was really clever. That was really good. But overall, you're
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: just like, oh, really? He drags so much of it
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: back down with dumb stuff or just time-wasting stuff.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I know that, but the film, you've got a
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: lot of slapstick, goofy stupidity, but then we still have
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: to have a moral at the end. And that almost
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: feels like you're alienating– The other side of the audience, like,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: it didn't know what it wanted to be. I mean,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: it had a lot of fun stuff to it, but,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: you know, it just didn't hold together as a whole.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: It felt like it was a cobbling of ideas. Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Which is the problem with a lot of film these days.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Being made by people who've done nothing but watch movies
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: like that their whole lives. You've got to have this.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And on that, but you have a script, and then
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: somebody else takes over, and it keeps some of the original,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: but then other stuff is changed.
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: Producer notes.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Bo, I prompted you. I'm trying to go back through
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: my brain of things that I've watched this year. I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: prompted you to try to watch or at some point
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: watch the Barbarian Sound Studio.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Not yet. I just got that recently on recommendations.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: He's a Foley artist that goes to Italy, doesn't even
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: know what project he's working on. And the cast and
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the crew are all.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Lecherous assholes. And he's a mild mannered British, uh, Foley artist,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you know, nerd. And I'm just going to stop because it's, well,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: sound wise, it's fantastic. And I think, um, just the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: look of it, I think you would probably, it looks
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like something you'd like.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I'd like to shoot.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I'd like to shoot that. So I, it, it, It's
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a fun one. It might even be one, Brian, to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: check out.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: It might even be.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: One for an episode because it's definitely twisted enough that
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I think you'd enjoy.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: It.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, you can stream it now. I never thought
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: you would be able to stream it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: That's a lot of interesting stuff.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: That reminded me of something I revisited this year was
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: an older movie, Jesus of Montreal. Has anyone ever seen it?
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: I know of it. I don't remember if I watched it. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: it was a great film.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I played the Vogue. You're talking early, like 1990.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: And then working with Bo on Malvagio and doing all
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: the post-dubbing. It has a hilarious sequence in it where
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: actors come in to dub porno. And it's very funny
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: where they're all French-Canadian actors and they're just doing this
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: hilarious take where they're watching a porno film and making
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: all the noises. And they're professionals. They're congratulating each other
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: on how well they did that. It's a very funny sequence.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Very good movie.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of that in this. There's murder scenes
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and sex scenes and– You don't see what's on the screen.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: You just see the actors doing it. This was just
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: them sitting at the table.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And you see them smashing pumpkins and watermelons to make
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the sound of brain smashing.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I've got a photo when I was doing all that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I had all sorts of melons and hammers and stuff
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: in my kitchen. What will make this sound? What will
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: make that sound?
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you also mentioned like some of the dubbing.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I watched American Movie for the first time this past year.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: And that's a fun little documentary. We had that at
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the Baxter back in the late 90s. a couple of
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: guys up in Wisconsin. Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin or Michigan. It's like, it's up north. Coven.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Coven.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And that's, yeah, exactly. And it's just watching it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: It was, it kind of reminds you of anybody.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was just odd watching these two characters. Like,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: you know, he's, I get the whole being obsessed with
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: trying to make your movie, but, in the way of
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: like thinking that this is going to be like some
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: huge marketable project. I was like, that's just really odd.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: It seems like a lot of people convince themselves of that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I like the way it looks. I mean, when you
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: finally see the finished product and it's like, it's, it
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: makes no sense. It's like watching, you know, somebody who
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: watched a lot of early Lynch and did a lot
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: of drugs or something would do. Cause you know, shooting
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: it on the high contrast black and white, like I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: think they're shooting on 16 or no, I think it's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: super eight that he shoots on. That's why everyone has
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to dub themselves. I mean, it looks cool, but then
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: it's like, this makes no sense to it's, it's, it's not,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: it's like in that weird gray area where it's, Not
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: something unique. It's trying to imitate something else, but it
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't imitate it successfully.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It does not transfer to you. That's a very common thing,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: that whole insular filmmaker business where they're like, I've got
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: this vision, but no one else is going to understand
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: what you're talking about. Not in a good way.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Every artist, I mean, how many bands are thoroughly convinced
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: they're going to make it big? And you're like, you
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: guys are not even going to be a big hit
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: around here, let alone get you some signed deal.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: But then they focus so much on that about, okay,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: this is what it's going to take to get big.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's like you're just going through a series of checklists
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: on what you think is going to be in there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: That's almost where I feel like Bennett and I were
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: having this talk today with Tim Burton. We almost feel
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: like his movies have kind of gotten there to where
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it's He goes through a checklist like, okay, if this
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: is one of my movies. It really feels like this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: This, this, this. It's like that college humor parody piece online.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: It's accurate.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: We still have that clown white and we've got a
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: five-gallon bucket. What have you got?
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: It's brilliant. It's exactly how people want that. They want
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: a product. It's like, you know, it's the reason people
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: go to McDonald's in every city. They know what they're
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: going to get. I think with Tim Burton, they know
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: what they're going to get. He's past that era, you know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: The last thing he did I liked was Big Fish.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: And that's been a long time.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: That was. Well, after that was Sweeney Todd. And I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: like Sweeney Todd a lot.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Well, it's an adaptation of something else. Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Which technically Big Fish is too.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: It was too.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: It was a novel.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: But it's, yeah, it still feels like his piece. And
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: it is like there is a heart to it because
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: it is like his father is how he dedicates it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: So it does feel like there was a reason he
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: made that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But in a way of just like him just. Making
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a project for sheer, like, fun and silliness. I mean,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you know, Ed Wood was some of that. But I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: feel like Beetlejuice was the first.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: It was a great movie.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, his last, like, true one where he
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: just really just got away with whatever he wanted.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Didn't I hear they were considering a sequel?
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: I think they've already.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: They've been talking about that forever.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: I think they finally got it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Bring it on. If it's a chance to go back
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: and do something fun, do it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: As long as he can.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Go back to his original sensibilities he had when he
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: made the first one, as opposed to making it as
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he is now.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: Last I heard, they even had Michael Keaton signed on.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: So I'm like, if you're going to do it, try
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: to find a way.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Look at how many people wanted the Star Wars prequels.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: But it's like George Lucas was a different person. It's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the same could go here.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I've tried my daughter... I introduced her to stuff, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I knew she would enjoy Beetlejuice. And she loves Beetlejuice.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: And she loves the cartoon series, which was kind of fun.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: You know, those things. It's just... I love the cartoon series.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: They finally brought it all out.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Eric Chu did not like the cartoon series.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: He didn't work on it. After I brought that up,
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: he was like, that show was horrible.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: No, the show was pretty fun.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I thought it was really fun. And I thought they
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: create a pretty good universe.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: They do. Like, that.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: the other world that they live in is pretty amazing.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, neat stuff.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: He did not feel that.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: But I don't know. I mean, Burton is weird. He's
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: a weird director because he really did have that vision,
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: and it's like that vision became a rubber stamp at
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: some point.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, people drink their own Kool-Aid.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: So this is what works for me, so this is
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: what I have to do. I'd say even David Lynch
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: has done that.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I almost wonder if at one point in time it
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: was just the marketing that came off of– Nightmare Before Christmas.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I almost wonder if that was part of it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Which is funny since it's not even one of his.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: It's not even him.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It's Henry Selick.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, it's pretty much his source material. It's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: his vision.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's linked to him. And... That's where he hit
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: that goth culture thing.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when he tapped into it. And, like, everything
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that's been made ever since he sort of tapped into that,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: for the better part, is exploiting that culture. It's like, okay, well,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: if Nightmare sells at, you know, Hot Topic and all
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: this stuff, then when we do... you know, God, what
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: was it? Is it just Alice in Wonderland?
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Was that what it was called?
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, I have to have stuff that's going to,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you know, work in there.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Cause that doesn't even fit that. Cause I remember when
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: they said he was cast as that, I was like,
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: that doesn't even fit his mood at all. Like that's
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: a totally different feel. It's weird. I agree with you,
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: but it's like, it just doesn't fit his aesthetic. It
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: doesn't fit. And it didn't like I watched it. I'm well,
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, I just watched the trailer.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It's just, it was too much. weird, silly CG.
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: They need to go more of the American McGee.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Well, my whole thing was when I watched the trailer
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: for the first time, you could tell it was like
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the Johnny Depp show. It's like, oh, let's make the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Mad Hatter a major character so we've got a major
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: star playing him. And that's also, too, about the time
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, Johnny Depp, I'm getting a little old
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: because he always has to have some sort of schtick.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, everything becomes the Johnny Depp show.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I think the nail in the coffin for me with
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: him was Willy Wonka.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: For which one? Both of them? Both of them.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I think Wonka has more moments.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But they clearly, it was almost on autopilot.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, we're going to go this way. And you
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: can almost see the vision that they were having. Just like, well,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: there was no vision. It was the trail that Burton
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: blazed is now a superhighway, and it's just too easy
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to stay.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: On that road.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Well, and two, it That was the one where it
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: really was the Johnny Depp show in the sense that
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the storyline, it really does follow Willy Wonka more. It's
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: not about Charlie.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Even though it's called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: It's all about the pathos to this character where it's like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: you know, he's not the central character to the story.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: And I don't even feel like he plays in one
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: of those.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I don't need to know his backstory and all that.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, sure, it's fun to see Christopher Lee making
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: another cameo, but it's like, you don't need him. No.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm one of the few people, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, I like Nightmare. It was fine. Everyone was
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: raving about it when it came out. But when it
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: did come out, I looked at it and I said,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: you know, this film really has no third act. It's
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: like suddenly he has a change of heart. He's failed
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: utterly at what he did and suddenly he's singing a song,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: one song in the graveyard and everything turns around for him.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this is sloppy. Or I actually thought Corpse
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Bride was actually a more well-constructed animated film, which not
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: enough people did see, actually.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: No.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: But I enjoyed it. So this kind of turned it around,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: and it actually works structurally. Nightmare had a lot of appeal,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: but it was that stamp.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a failure at the time, wasn't it?
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it didn't do. I guess it did.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: You know, thinking all the way back to the old
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: days at Suncoast, I mean, we had all this merchandise
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: that no one bought.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: We couldn't get any merchandise for Nightmare Before Christmas, but
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: then they were like, oh, we'll make up for it now,
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: and they got all this Corpse Bride stuff that nobody
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: wanted then.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: We were snapping up some of the Nightmare stuff because
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: it just went on the clearance. And then some guy,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: some friend of mine tells me, you know that stuff's
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: selling really high? Yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: What?
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: He said, that applause stuff. Suddenly those dolls were selling
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: for $ 300 and $ 500 or something.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: I had to part with him at the, uh, the
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: flea market this weekend. Uh, there was the little, the
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: little molded plastic piece that we sold as a promo
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: that was exclusive to us. And I remember at the
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: time we had boxes.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: The little moon.
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah. That little, the shot of him with the weird
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: moon in the background. And yeah, it's like, we, we
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: couldn't give those away at the time. And then later
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: we marked them down and we finally ran through them.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: And it was like a year or two later, uh,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: it kicked in. Like, everybody got it on video, everybody
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: started to get that thing, and they all loved it all.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Of a sudden.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: And they came looking for that stuff. It's like, we
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: gave it away. Like, it was 98 cents for one
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: of those things.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I remember some of the small PVC dusting it. It
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was so bad. They had the glass display cases that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: we had. You'd have to take it off and move
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: it and dust it because it'd be there so long.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: So, yeah. You never really know.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: What's going to happen. It's not as, you know, Fashionably bent. Yeah. Weird.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: As much as we've knocked him, I was surprised how
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: much I liked the new Frankenweenie. Because I didn't even
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: like him redoing it, but I thought it was pretty solid.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: My daughter liked it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: We dug it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: And I felt like they came up with original stuff.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: That whole final act with the monsters is like new
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: and different and fit. And I was like, I like it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I honestly think it played better than the original.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: It has it has an indie like the other one's
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: just like and then you know supercharger and voila yeah
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: yeah so i mean i i did not expect after
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: dark shadows i thought i was done with him and
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: he kind of redeemed himself yeah everybody forgot.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: I saw it sitting there at uh big lots the
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: other day for five bucks and even then i was
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: like no I can't do this.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: There's not enough fun in it for five bucks. There's
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: moments that don't suck, I get.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Not really.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: They're all pretty bad.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: It's just too much of a violation for me. For
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: people who profess to love the source material, they just
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: branded it to death.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I actually feel like it's gotten to the point just
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: because Burton works so much now. He's got fans that
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: are far more forgiving than Lucas's fans.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. They don't rail on him. I don't think
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: we're just as fans of forgiving anymore.
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: No.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: They're all heaving sighs of relief that it's out of
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: his hands.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: He's done now, yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: He can't mess up anymore.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: I have to join that legion. It's like, well, I
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: think something good could come from this.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Something very good could come from this.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: We'll see.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: That was my take on it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: That was big news for this year, actually.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I'm on board.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I've decided.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, that was what worked well in the first series. Like,
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, he only directed one of those movies.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: And then he handed it to a better director the
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: second time around.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: And they got better.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, it's arguable if the third one was better,
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: but the second one, he gave it to a better director.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Well, again, the third one is only worse, if you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: want to use that term, because two is so good.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's pretty much it. And he already started ripping
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: himself off from the first movie. I'm like, you only
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: made three movies in this series and you can't come
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: up with original ideas?
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Buy the third one? We would not allow it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: There were plenty of people coming up with stuff all
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: around him, comics and books and everything else.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: And they were all pretty original, impressive stuff.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: They were fun.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I remember reading that at the time.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: But then again, we could do, you know, 30 or
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: 40 shows on that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: And probably will continue to.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: It sneaks back in.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: I just recently saw Kick-Ass 2. Have you seen the sequel?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen Kick-Ass itself.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I thought the first one was fun.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: I think that's part of the problem. It's a sequel,
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: so I have to weigh it against the first one.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: It's kind of fun. I didn't dislike it, but I
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: felt like the first one was trying to do something.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: I felt like the first one was had a general idea,
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: a concept, if nothing else, of like, here's all the
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: other superhero movies and this is what we're trying to do.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: And it felt like it was trying to make a
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: statement and yet be kind of silly at the same time.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: It's also poking fun at him more than anything. Where
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: this one just kind of seems like it took itself,
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: like again, even in that movie, like I feel like
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: it almost betrays itself in that last act. It starts
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: to buy into... The jetpack and the RPG. It buys
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: into its own superhero bullshit. It kind of does. It
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: doesn't take away from the movie overall. I still think
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: it's a good movie, but this one, the entire movie
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: is that. I feel like none of it has any real...
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: It seems like it should. Again, it's like he has
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: all the pieces of that first one, but it's not
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Matthew Vaughn, so it's not the same director. New guy
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: wrote it. New guy directed it. Same guy who kind
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: of misses the mark for me.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: There's some fun stuff in there. Chloe Grace Moretz is awesome.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: She's always amazing. I don't know where she can go.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: To be as young as she was when she started
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: and to consistently, even in movies that aren't that great,
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: she's always good. So it'll be interesting to see where.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: And that was the one thing I was interested in this.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Because this is like we have Hit Girl as a
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: teenager at this point, basically. So it's her. trying to
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: deal with growing up, having gone through the trauma that
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: she did and the fact that she can kill whoever
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: the hell she wants. So that's seems like it should
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: be the most interesting part. I think it's mishandled. I
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: think it could be really interesting and it's kind of not, um, again, it's,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: it's paced really oddly. The, uh, I don't know. It
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: has a lot of issues. It just doesn't feel. And
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: I think that was at the end. I was like,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: it didn't feel like it was, trying to do the
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: same thing that first one was. The first one felt
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: like it had an idea that it was going for,
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: and this just wanted to be a superhero movie. In
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: a series that was meant to make fun of superhero movies, essentially.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: And this one almost like it drank the Kool-Aid. It
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: was like, this is what we are, yay! I don't know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: I had issues with it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I've never seen It, and I haven't seen Super either,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: just because.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: I want to.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Do a project kind of like that, but I don't want, like,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: those to, like, change ideas. But in the way of
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: superhero movies that, going back to the whole theme of, like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can even guess what I'm
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: going to say.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Mystery Men.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite superhero movies.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: It's a mess, but it's fun. Recently, I've heard more
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: people start to reference it. It's one of those that
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: sometimes it takes 10 or 15 years for it to
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: catch up.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it the same year as Batman and Robin?
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Oh, God, maybe it was.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It was that year that the... It was 1999, I think.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a couple years after.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Because I think that was the year my dad had
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: his heart attack. Because I remember that song on the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: radio from the movie.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: We're the mystery men.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: No, it's... No, they used the.
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: Crap.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: What's that band? Not Sugar Ray, but the other one
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that's a lot like it. They did the Shrek song.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Sure. Oh, God.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: That should just be what they're called. It's like.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Folding back on itself. Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: There's just a CD that says, that one band, that's
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: like Sugar Ray, but not. That's like the one Shrek song.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: That band.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: I'm on board with Sugar Ray, but not this.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I can't... I'm sorry.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I've failed.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: From bands like Smash Mouth.
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: She was looking kinda dumb with her finger and her
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: thumb in the shape of an.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: L on her forehead.
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: Well, the years start coming and they don't stop coming.
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: Packed to the rules so I hit the ground running.
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: Didn't make sense not to live for fun. Your brain
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: gets smart but your head gets dumb. So much to do,
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: so much to see, so what's wrong with taking the
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: back streets? You'll never know if you don't go, you'll
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: never shine if you don't glow. Hey now, you're an all-star.
• 36:31
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• 36:35
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• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Get the show on.
• 36:38
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• 36:39
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• 36:47
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• 36:50
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  Speaker 9: See, there is neither loose nor tight. See, there is
• 41:48
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  Speaker 4: That's part of your problem, you know.
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• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Stars All Star, is that the name of the song?
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Sadly, I know who you're talking about.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Those guys. Yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: It came out with that movie.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And I remember hearing that song on the way to
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the hospital. And so now, you know, it's one of
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: those things where I connect the heart attack to the movie.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: You know, one of those weird things. But yeah, that's
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: why I can pin down the age.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: So you connect going to the hospital with, hey now,
• 43:40
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: That's odd.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Well, because it was playing.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, things happen.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, no, I really dug the movie. By
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the way, before we move on, you should see Super.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: It's one of the darkest. I was going to come
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: back to that, too.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: The darkest movies.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I've seen it a long time.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, it does sort of one-up what Kick-Ass was
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: trying to do, basically. It does it in a different style, though.
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: I don't think Super is trying to. have that commentary
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: really it's just taking.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It dark this is what really.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Would happen yeah where kick-ass is trying to make the
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: it's poking fun at superhero movies it's very specifically mimicking
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: like all the ones that came all the origin story
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: again it's kind of making fun of that stupid origin
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: story thing and like it does a very specific version
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: of that super is just this shit's crazy it's gonna
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: get dark and it does it so I mean it
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: kind of is a better movie but I think it's
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: not it's not trying to do the same thing.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah We rented it one night, my wife and I,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: with the Paperboy. We watched the Paperboy first.
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: Good double feature.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: And Paperboy is pretty dark, too.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Is it based on the Sega game?
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: No.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: It's Lee Daniels' second movie. Serial killers and nasty sex.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: So it's like between the butler and Precious, he did.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And not crazy, but But, like, sweaty.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: I like that. You know what I mean?
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: It was John Cusack.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Good review line.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Sweaty.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: John Cusack, a dirty, greasy, sweaty John Cusack masturbating.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: That's what we're looking for.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It should be on the back of the DVD.
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Masturbating in front of a high school musical boy. What's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: his name?
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Zac Efron. Oh, yeah. That's that movie.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't even say Zac Efron at the back of
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the TV. High school musical boy. Sweaty John Cusack masturbating
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: in front of high school musical boy.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: The movie.
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: With Macy Gray.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, God. So, anyway.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And that one's already kind of disturbing. And then we're like, okay, well,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: at least we have the upbeat, fun movie at the end.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: How'd that go for you?
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: No. It, uh.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: It was a downer moment for the family.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: What I always liked about Mystery Men is you can
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: just tell Jeffrey Rush is having fun just chewing up
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the scenery. It's the same thing that I enjoyed about
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the remake of House on Haunted Hill because that's one
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: of the few remakes to where it's... almost a bastardization
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of the original, but I love it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just, it's, did that, that came out
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: the same year. It was hot for that. Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: It was that period.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Because my wife went, because my wife went to see
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that we were, it was the day, no, it was
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: our rehearsal dinner. She had time to kill and we
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: weren't together. We were doing other things and she went
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and saw House on Haunted Hill and she doesn't go
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: see movies by herself and she doesn't go see horror movies.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: It's one of the strangest things.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And that's a creepy movie to see by yourself. I'll
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: give it that, but it's just, You know, that was,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I've always liked all Vincent Price stuff. And
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: when I heard they were remaking that, I was like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But then when you see Rush and
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: he's kind of going for like.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Found the right guy.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: He totally just tapped into what needed to be done.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, he's going for like sort of a
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Price-ian character, but just completely hamming it up. And everyone
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: else seemed to have fun. I never saw like, because
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: that was, it was like William Castle's granddaughter.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: His daughter.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Her daughter.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Dark Castle.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Dark Castle.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Dark Castle Productions. Yeah, that was their first one. And
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that was actually somewhat of a hit.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And then they made 13 Ghosts, which I never saw
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: and I heard was just almost unwatchable.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: I would say it's unwatchable, but it's kind of by
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: the numbers. It has some really arresting visual stuff in it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's got some good moments, but overall it feels
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: really dumb.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I remember, in a way of like, it's okay but dumb,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing... Death Ship, I think it was.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did see Death Ship.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: They did do that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: Wasn't that Margalise?
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. All I have, like, a vague memory
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: of seeing that with my brother John at the old showcase,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: and I feel like we were theater hopping. Like, we
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: went from one movie to the next, and we went
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: into that one, and that kind of taught us a lesson.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well, that's killed our movie fun for
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the day. Let's go home.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: They're kicking us out by showing us this.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's really unsatisfying. to theater hop and not find
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: anything worth seeing yeah just settle on that yeah well
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: I think with Mystery Man Mystery Man once again probably
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: a little too far ahead you know a little later
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: might have been a hit yeah a little too soon
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: there's a whole superhero.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Which is weird genre hadn't really hadn't really fired up
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Dillard's like you know his height yeah That was between
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Zoolander and Meet the Parents.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: It's before he became completely beaten down into this thing
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: that regurgitates the same movie over and over again. Although
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: I don't really know what to think of this Walter
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: Mitty thing.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: A friend of mine that I kind of respect his
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: opinion saw it. He was happy.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: I was intrigued by the preview it well that that's
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: what's weird is like been waiting for a remake they're looking.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah it's one i've heard they've tried to do a
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: couple times it hasn't happened so it's weird that they
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: threw him in the middle of it but then that
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: trailer makes it look so serious i mean it's got
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: its cute moments here and there but it looks like
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: it's almost like are you trying to go for an
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: oscar you're not going to get it. Certainly not for
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: this movie. But I don't know. It just seemed like
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: it was a weird tone for all of that stuff.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: Just like, I don't know. I guess I'll watch it
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: at some point.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Wake and Fright, which was an Aussie film I've been
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: waiting forever to see. And Drafthouse Films put it on DVD.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: It was, I think, also called Outback. It's 72, it's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Donald Pleasence, and I can't remember who the main protagonist is.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I kind of describe it as like a fear and
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: loathing in Las Vegas, but in the middle of the outback,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: and not funny. You have this teacher who has his
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: two weeks Christmas vacation. He's in a very small Australian town.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Takes the train to either train or cab, can't remember
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: how he gets there, but he I'm pretty sure he
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: takes a train to this... Basically, it's a train stop.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: It's a dot-on-the-map town. And he's waiting for his passage
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: the next day. And it's a town where basically everyone
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: at night just goes to this bar and just gets
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: shit-faced and gambles.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: And that's it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: And so he shows up, and he's just having a drink.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: And they're all giving him crap because it's like, Oh,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: you aren't going to drink. Oh, good little T-Shock isn't
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: going to drink. Oh, you're not going to gamble. Good
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: little T-Shock isn't going to gamble. And so he ends
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: up getting... drunk and gambling and losing all his money
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: and stuck in this town that he just can't get
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: out of. And it's not played for laughs. It's just
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: really dark. Like, this guy just can't get out of
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: this town. And he starts, and not only that, but
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: he just gets in this vicious cycle to where he
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: just starts drinking and drinking. He ends up with Donald
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Pleasance's character who's like the doctor of the town, but
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: basically it's just some guy who just decided to call
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: himself a doctor and lives in a shack. And people
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: pay him with beer to take care of their medical problems.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And so it's just, By day, Donald Pleas is just
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: sitting around almost naked in this hot shack drinking beer
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: and treating whatever comes in. They go out on kangaroo
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: hunts at night. It's just so bizarre. It's just this
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: guy's slow descent.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Into the bottom of depravity.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: It sort of has that Fight Club.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Feel to it. Early 70s?
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: 71 or 72.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's good stuff.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: So it's a very slick film, very ahead of its time,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: and it was the first, because I'm trying to remember,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: there's a documentary that Tarantino produced like two, three years ago,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's called Not Quite Hollywood, to where it's
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: about the exploitation boom of the 70s, where you had
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: both the art house stuff, like what Peter Weir was
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: doing with Picking and Hanging Rock and Last Wave and
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: all that, and then you also had you know, the
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: drive-in grindhouse stuff. And this was the one that was
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: basically seen as, like, the one that first made its
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: way out into the American markets. And then all the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: other stuff, you know, the Mad Maxes and the rest
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: start coming. That kind of took the foreground, but this
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: was the one that sort of started it all. So
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: it's a really slick film. Lucy, I think, had mentioned
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: she'd seen it and had a lot to talk about.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, if they're shooting kangaroos, yeah, I can imagine.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: That'll do.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: But, um, It's definitely worth a watch. I mean, I
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: like a lot of the early Aussie stuff. I feel
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: like it would be a good companion to Long Weekend.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Have you seen it? I think you've seen it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: I remember Long Weekend, yeah.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Long Weekend, you just have this couple that goes on
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: a vacation and just weird stuff starts happening. I always
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: describe it as like, what if Rowan Polanski directed Day
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: of the Animals?
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: There's another film from, I guess, a little later that
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of people see. Have you ever seen Road Games?
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: No, but I'm severe enough with.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: It's weird.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: It's like Stacy Keach and Jamie Lee Curtis, and it's post-Halloween,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: and it's this sort of, it's a thriller, and it's
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: sort of a slasher film, but it's a road picture
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: in Australia where he's got a pet dingo. It turns
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: out not to be a dingo because it barks. But
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: it really captures that feeling if you're ever on a
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: long-distance road trip and you're traveling along the interstate. You
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: kind of see the same people all the time. Everybody
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: stops at the same hotel or campground every night. And
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: they slowly start to realize that someone amongst them is
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: this killer who's beheading people. And he's driving this black van.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: And somebody starts pointing fingers. Very clever movie. That came
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: out around 79. It sounds fun. It's supposed to be a.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Pretty clever movie that came out in, like, 09 that
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I was reading about. I was just looking for, like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: offbeat Christmas horror films of just– curious what else was
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: out there apart from like, you know, the traditional black
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Christmas or stuff like that. And, um, I can't even
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: remember what it was called now. Um, but it's stars
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Ray wise, you know, from, uh, twin peaks and all that.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: And basically they're going to one of their family's houses
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: for holidays and they usually take the same route, but
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: he's like, you know, I was looking on, you know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Google maps or something. He basically thinks there's a shortcut
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: and he takes it and they end up going down
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: like this wrong path to where it's like, I've heard this.
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: I think Marlena saw it at one point. I think
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: I just heard about it this year.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And that's what got me intrigued about it. I hadn't
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: seen it, but didn't know if anyone else had. My
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: new favorite Christmas horror film over Black Christmas is Inside.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Has anyone seen that? It's a French film. It came
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: out in 2008. And it's a very simple premise. It's
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: like good old-fashioned Carpenter films where it's a siege movie.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: To where this woman, she is pregnant. Her husband was
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: killed in a car wreck. And so she's going to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: go into induced labor the next day, Christmas Day. So
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: she's at home on Christmas Eve. And so there's like
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: light police patrols and all this stuff. But she's just
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: at home and this woman just shows up. And basically
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: it's just like, hey, I want your baby. I'm going
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: to come in and I'm going to get it. You know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: cause the first, you know, it's very, from the get go,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: she's knocking on the door. She's like, Oh, my husband's
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: upstairs asleep. She's like, Oh, come on, Sarah, your husband's dead.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Don't even try to play that on me. And she's like, wait,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: who are you? And it just, from there it just goes,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: it's short. It's like an hour and 20 minutes and
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: it never lets up. It's just constantly intense from one
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: moment to the next. Cause you know, 10 minutes in,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, she's in the house now. And so
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: it's just the cat and mouse. And it's a very,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: very gory, very brutal scene. and yeah, very unforgiving towards
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: any of its characters, but it's a very, very good film.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: Um, if we want to work more recent, uh, I've
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: just finally gotten a chance to see a band called death,
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: which is pretty amazing. Speaking of things that were, uh,
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: ahead of their time, are you familiar with the concept? It's,
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: they were, um, it was three brothers in Detroit in, um,
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: early 70s uh formed a band and listening to it
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: now they're essentially punk in like 71 you know well
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: before even the you know we most of it hits
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: in england but we're still claiming the ramones toured in
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: london and that's why yeah so it's like this predates
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: pretty much everything and uh it it's amazing and it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: like they it tells their story and how they Form
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: this band and everybody around like the probably the most
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: fun part is watching them like as they come back
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: to their their neighborhood and the neighbors are like they
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: start reminiscing about them practicing and they're like, oh, God,
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: like they were like the scourge of the neighborhood because
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: it's these three kids playing essentially punk music and like
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: all of their neighbors are like. Number one, shut up,
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: you're too loud. Number two, it's Detroit. You're three black kids.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: You should be playing R & B. Like, they were
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: annoyed that they were playing rock music in Detroit. It's like,
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: this is what we do. You know, it's Motown here.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: You can't just, what are you playing? And everyone around
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: them was like, why are you playing this white music? And, like,
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: they took a lot of heat for that. And he
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: was the main, you know, brother that sort of came
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: up with this concept. He's like, no. This is the sound.
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: This is what it's going to be. There's a reason
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: we need to do this. He also decided they needed
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: to be called Death. And it became the kiss of
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: death for the band. And it was like everybody that
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: heard them, they would go to radio stations and they'd
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: be like, oh, what's the name of your band? And
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: that killed it. They had a deal in the works
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: with a local producer in Detroit. And he's like, we'll
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: sign you. They gave him a pretty sizable contract. you
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: have to change the name of the band. And the
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: brother was like, no, if you let them change our name,
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: you can just give them everything else. Like this is,
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: this is what we are. This is who we are.
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: We have to stick to our guns. And like it,
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: it totally kind of kills. I mean, they, they stuck
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: with it all the way up to almost 80. I
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: think they were still trying to make it work and
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: trying to be a band, never catch on. And then
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: you get this, like the one brother goes off and
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: kind of moves away. And like the other two, form, like,
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: at some point they get into, like, a reggae band,
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: and they're just kind of, they're just a band kind
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: of making it, you know, they still have day jobs,
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: they're just doing their thing. And then it hits, like,
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: going all the way ahead to, like, 2008 or so, when, like, it, like,
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: they made, like, one 45 that they had pressed themselves,
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: and they got it out to their, like, their friends
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: and a couple of radio stations and stuff like that, and, like,
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: they were going for, like, $ 800 on eBay.
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: And they were this legendary little herd band. And all
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, all these kids found them now and
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: were like, this is amazing. And so they got– it
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: gets to the point where their sons are doing a
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: tribute band to them because it's been so long.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: It sounds familiar. It's amazing.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: It just shows how much you know social wars change
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: yeah a band called Death you know now if it
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: hit like in you know mid 80s late 80s well
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to excel yeah but early.
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: 70s early 70s nobody would touch.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: That you know that's about as punk as it gets
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: is that you're offered money and you're like no you
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: don't do it and you don't fit in you don't
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: even fit into punk when it does that's the best
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: part a black punk band.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah it In Detroit in the 70s. It's just, yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: And I think that's what I responded to the most
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: is how, I mean, because they play a good amount
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: of the music. They went and found the masters in
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: the guy's attic and they're just like this. I mean,
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: you can listen to it now and I'm like, it
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: does not fit its time period, its location. These guys
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: were really ahead of their time. It's more interesting, I guess,
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: from that aspect of just now knowing the way things
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: have worked out and then to watch this new generation
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: embrace this music because it's finally caught up to them. And,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: and yeah, I mean, it's, there's a whole little middle
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: part with the main brother who comes up with it
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: and it's, it's interesting. I won't throw that off, but it's,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: it's kind of interesting to see how they come back and,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: and are, you know, sort of found by this new generation.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: It was, it was really well made.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: It's interesting you bring that one up because yeah, searching
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: for sugar man one. Yeah.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: Kind of along those same lines.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of the same lines. And yeah, that won
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Best Documentary this year, which I think the main reason
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: it won Best Documentary is it was the only documentary
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: that wasn't depressing as shit. Because, I mean, you had
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: How to Survive a Plague, which was, you know, about
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: the AIDS outbreak. You had Invisible War, which was about
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: raping the military. It was just like, and God, I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: can't even remember the other two. I think Gasland was
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: one of them, wasn't it?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: I think so.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Uh, that, or maybe I'm confusing it with the year before,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: but it's like, it was just nothing but like dreary.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: Which is usually the kind of stuff that gets nominated
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: by the Academy.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: But, um, I think that might've been one of the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: main reasons it won was just because it was so,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: you know, upbeat and popular and endearing. And then of course,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: like as soon as it won, suddenly all these stories
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: start coming out about how it's like, well, no, it,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: He was huge in Australia. He played live shows in
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Australia in the 80s and all this stuff. So the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: fact that this guy is hiding is not the case.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: But like any documentary, it's how you spin the facts
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that you got.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: I think that one was just so many people saw
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: it compared to most documentaries. I think it is the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: popularity thing. It probably helped it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know that it ever played Louisville. I don't
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: think it did. But that's just.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: It had a huge word amount.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: That's testimony to how far Louisville has fallen.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Some years ago, we ran Buena Vista Social Club, which
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: was a big hit everywhere, but we at least got it.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: It lasted for about a month.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: It lasted a long time, because I remember that was
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: when I first started.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Did anybody happen to watch Europa Report? I heard that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: was an interesting picture.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I've seen the large frontier Europa, but I don't know.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: No, this was a science fiction. Yeah, just released.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: It's fairly low budget. And a group of scientists believe
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: that they've found life, could possibly have found life on Europa.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: And so they go out to investigate. You know, it's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: partially a found footage movie. It's done pretty well. It's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: almost like it's a report that NASA is doing after
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the fact. Here's what we have. Here's what we've got.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: And it jumps back and forth between that and the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: actual story. And, I mean, of the science fiction, you know,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: hard science, kind of science fiction that throw a little
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: bit of fantasy in, it's probably one of the better
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: ones I've seen in a while.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: It's smart.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: It plays with the claustrophobia, claustrophobic nature, I guess, of
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: space really well. It doesn't have.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: All of the normal.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: problems that you normally have every space movie has the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: same five issues um but they still do stupid things
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: you know that has to keep has to mess things
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: up yeah it's it's it's a pretty good movie it's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: one of those things where you're like well nothing's happened
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're like oh an
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: hour's passed you know and and you've oh it really
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: was interesting in that amount of time so it it Um, it's,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: it's slow. It's a lot like how moon was.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Kind of, it sounds like moon.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But, um, yeah, it was, it was pretty good.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: Moon.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I liked a lot. Oh, then it's like, okay, if
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: this was the scientist that you sent up, he's obviously,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: and if you've decided to clone him, he's best of
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: the best. Why would the best of the best at
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: no given time, trying to sit down and have a
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: rational conversation with himself, uh, It's like both of them
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: have to be having a meltdown at once. And I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: kind of get a bit at the same time. It's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: like I feel like at some point in time he
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: would really just step back and try to assess things logically.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: And I don't feel like he ever did that. I'm
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: sure he could try to rationalize, well, maybe he, like
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: his clone, they were both breaking down.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was supposed to. I think he
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be more of a miner or a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: caretaker than a scientist.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: But still, if you're putting him up there by himself,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I would think that he would have.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Some, you know.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine that you would just decide to go
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: to the effort to clone somebody who's just, oh, he's
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: just a generic caretaker. Right.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: It's like a mechanical operation to a degree. And I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: did like Mood a lot.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: Which kind of leads to one of the other movies
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I did see this year, which was the title I've
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: forgotten suddenly. Which one? Was it Oblivion? Oblivion.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: Which I still haven't watched yet, but yeah, that's the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: Tom Cruise one.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: I've not seen it, but yeah. I was very entertained
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: by it, but its major plot point is the same
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: plot point as Moon. Now, the whole backstory on Oblivion
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: is that it was an unproduced graphic novel, which I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: find interesting.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I can not get it.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Well, it literally wasn't even done as a novel. It
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: never got that far.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's going to be a whole lot
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: cheaper to make it into a movie than a.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: Multi-million dollar movie.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: It's got a terrific visual sense. It's got a gorgeous soundtrack.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: I even liked Cruise in it.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: He can be really good.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: But the major plot point is he's a clone and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: doesn't know it. And it manages to borrow bits and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: pieces from about six or seven other pretty entertaining science
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: fiction movies. It cobbles them together very well. But at
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: the same time, it's a highly derivative but entertaining movie.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: But the major point was Moon and the fact that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: not many people saw Moon. So they said, well, we'll
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: just take that. And they slipped this in. It's like, well,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: he's a clone. And it borrows from everything from The
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Matrix to Independence Day.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like it was somebody.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Somebody pretty good. And, you know, I think it did well. And, uh, okay.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: Okay. I don't think it made what they expected.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: I was bored.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: And I said, I'm going to drop by Baxter. I'm
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: just going to watch this because I just heard from
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: a design point of view, it was really good looking.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: It was, and I ended up having a pretty good
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: time for the most part. It's sad when that's all
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: you can say about a movie you like.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I confused it with the, what was the other?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: The Will Smith one?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: No, the other one that he was in this, this year. Um,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't he in another science fiction movie?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: I think there's another one coming out.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: It looks... Well, this is sort of the problem that
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: we were talking about. It's like there's no originality. They
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: all start blending.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: That's what this movie, I can say, I give it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: credit for having a lot of good things, but still
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: it's a conglomeration of several other things I've seen.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Well, Elysium was the same thing too, wasn't it? Just
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: a rip-off of a lot of other Not rip-off, but
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same ideas.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: It's very general ideas.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: I was confusing them when I was hearing about them
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: in production. I was confusing the two.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: And then Elysium comes out, and I didn't see it,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: but a lot of people did see it, said it
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: was just too preachy. It was just too heavy-handed.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is. Like, it's... I've heard a lot of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: really negative things. I didn't hate it. Like, I think it's... Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: It's entertaining, but it's not... That's the thing. When you're
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: putting it up against his last movie, which was pretty
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: damn good.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you can argue that District 9 is preachy,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: but it's not overbearing in its message.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: It's pretty subtle. Yeah, I mean, it's there.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: It's there, but you're still kind of... And then it
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: has a ton of fun. Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: It forgets all that, and let's just go have fun
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: for a while.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: But, yeah, this one... I mean, it has really good
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: stuff in it. Special effects obviously are good because they
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: got a lot more money this time. But even, like,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: the villain that they work in is vicious. Like, he's just,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: he is one of the more formidable villains I've seen
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: in years. And, again, in a movie that a lot
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: of people will kind of have to forget about. But,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's a shame they couldn't have done more
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: with him.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: I think it still has some interesting stuff in it.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: It just doesn't hold up to District 9, I think.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: I think that almost is what suffered a lot with
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: that one, is because so many people went in expecting
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: him to follow it up with another one equally as impressive,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: and it doesn't quite measure.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Up to that. Yeah, so he was trying to deliver
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: the same kind of a picture, but with studio backing
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: this time.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and maybe that's part of.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: That's not easy to do.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because it is very... There's fashionable.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Dark, and then there's really dark. They don't want that.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah. It's very, the heavy-handed part is definitely there. It's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: very obvious how they break down the haves and the have-nots,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: and that's pretty much what the whole story becomes about.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Didn't I also see Danny Boyle's new movie this year, Trance?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: I've seen it sitting there. It's on DVD now, and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: I've considered it. It lasted like a week in town.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: I haven't gotten to it.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: When I was coming back to the States, it was
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: on the little computer thing I could watch. It was fun.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: it's one of those movies that the, I didn't realize,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what, when I saw the poster, it
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: had a really, really slick poster for it. And seeing
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: the name trance, I thought it was almost like going
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to be about, you know, the club scene or something
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: along that line. But apparently trance pertains to hypnosis. And
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: so it's like watching old boy in the sense that
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: it's like, that's not how hypnosis works. But if I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: nitpick that that's not really how hypnosis works, then I'm
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: going to be kind of, picking apart the whole movie,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: so I just kind of have to go with it.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: It's pretty much the exact same thing. It's like, you know,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: it's all about hypnotizing somebody to help with sort of
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: an Ocean's Eleven caper. But, I don't know, I feel
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: like it was just Danny Boyle having fun. And nobody
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: really saw it, and it went back mostly to a
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: British cast. And, um, no, it's not an end-all be-all.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's going to be one of those
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: ones that people forget about, but It felt to me
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: more like going back to the days of Trainspotting when
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I saw it. And James McAvoy is the main protagonist,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: and he's really solid in it. So, you know, it's fun.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: It's a short film, too. But, yeah, that's the only
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: thing is once they started saying, okay, this person was
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: hypnotized at this time, and this person was hypnotized at
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: this time, and they didn't know that they're working together
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: when they are, it's like, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: High concept, yeah.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: He's a, I mean, he's one of those directors you
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: can't pin him down as to what he does. Like,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: he's just, everything is a new project. And that's it. Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: He definitely tries every genre, every.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's kind of like Soderbergh.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: He always.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Things like that, too.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: That's why I think my favorite is still Sunshine and
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: the way that Danny Boyle stuff. And that was a
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: sci-fi film that, like, nobody saw.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 6: It was great.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: I just kept going, how big is this ship? I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: was like, when they go to the power generator room
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: and it seems like it goes on for 40 miles,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: how big is this ship?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, it was... it kind of lost me at
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: the end, I think.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Everything else, I.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Was like, this is a good killer. That's one of
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: those movies to where the fourth act is either going
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: to make it or lose you. It's a very divisive
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: film in that sense to where as soon as the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: crazy original captain comes on and starts killing crew members,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: it's like.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: It becomes a different movie in that last movie.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people to where that lost them instantly.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of people that lost them.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: It was just the godlike ending that was just.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: Which we see in a lot of sci-fi movies.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: It was a little bit too much. I was like,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I'll take a killer. Oh, that's fine. That's pretty neat.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: But it just, it became too much for me, the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: supernatural stuff.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Which actually, in the way of the serial killer in
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: space sort of thing.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: Freddy in space?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I was curious about. Jason in space or whatever.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Is that the only other time that's really occurred?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: Kind of.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you had Outland back in the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: 80s with crime. Yeah. Which is pretty good. I actually
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: liked Outland.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: But.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: No, that was High Noon.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: Leprechaun went to space. Hellraiser went to space. They all
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: go to space eventually.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Give it long enough. Usually movie four.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: You go to space. It's the double live album.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Tell your kids, it's like, I want to go to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: this college. You either got to go to hell or
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: you got to go to space.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: These are your options.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: You mentioned Oldboy. And speaking of Oldboy, did anybody see Oldboy?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: I still haven't seen it yet. I've heard.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: It's just been a colossal disaster.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I've heard it's not bad, but it's unnecessary.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Just financially, no one has bothered to line up to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: see that at all. I wouldn't have gone.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have needed to, yeah.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I think Bennett saw it just for the sake of reviewing.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: He said, you know, it had, some stuff was cool
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: and worked about it, and his main criticism was, he said,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: that just the villains, It was still a similar motivation,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: but the person that they had playing the villain couldn't
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: sell it.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: So the one movie I did see that I forgot
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: I saw was Man of Steel.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: I just brought that up.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if you talked about that. Yeah, I've
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: got one from a street vendor. There is no English
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: in it, and that actually makes it entertaining watching it.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I decided a while ago that I wasn't going to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: watch any more Superman.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: There's something about Russell Crowe being dubbed in a very
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: deep Chinese voice. I mean, it's entertaining, but.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: It's just such a weird, meandering movie. I saw it
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: with Rocco, and neither one of us had any expectations.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: We're like, let's just go deal with this. And I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: found myself incredibly bored through most of the picture because
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: Once again, it's an origin film. I don't want to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: know the origin. I mean, there's hundreds of thousands of comics.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Superman Returns wasn't an origin film, and it was equally
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: as good. They made it like a romance film, but
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: it was a romance.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: Film that lasted like two and a half hours. I'm
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: softer on that than most because it is kind of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: a legitimate sequel to the others, considering how bad the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: others were. I'm like, well, it's okay. But this, you know,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: the movie was just flat and dead and Actually, I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: did detect a pulse when Zod and the bad guys
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: showed up and started kicking some ass. Oh, this is
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: kind of like a comic book.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: Zod's the good part of it.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's good, and I liked his motivations. The fights
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: were good, and I didn't have these fanboy gripes about, oh,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: the violence and the mass destruction and Superman killing. That
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: didn't matter to me because this is an origin picture again.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: It still seems sloppy to me. It's sloppy. It's all
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: sacrificed on the altar. Well, doesn't that look cool?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, which doesn't fit Superman.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: I did like that little sequence of about 20 minutes
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: or so where Zod shows up and demands Cal to
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: be turned over and the fighting begins. And I'm like,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: this is like a comic book story. And then it
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: just gets too big.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: Well, before I ask this, Greg, do you know what
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: happens at the end?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Of Superman?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I won't see it, so you can go ahead and.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: Spoil the show. It's been kind of all over everywhere.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: I got this from a street vendor a week after
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: it was released.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: It's a nice package.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: I know. Look at the packaging.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: That's very sweet.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: It's something we didn't address last week that I kind
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: of want to throw out. Not even specifically for the movie.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: More of like overall... general theme of what's going on
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: so spoiler alert if you haven't seen Man of Steel
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: Greg said he doesn't care but for the rest of
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: you guys just I'm gonna the big ending moment here
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: he kills Zod at the end of the movie is
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: that not kind of not the way Superman works like
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: is it sort of betraying everything that Superman's supposed to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: be like do.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: That that's like that's like Batman yeah I mean that's.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't have that issue personally, because once again,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: it's an origin picture that's treating Superman as an alien.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: But he's been here for like 33 years.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: He's been here for 33 years, but he's only been
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Superman for a short while in this.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: But he was trained by Kevin Costner.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Zod has, I really, to be honest, I fucking hated
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: Kevin Costner.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: See, I didn't like those scenes either.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: I thought Pa Kent's moral stance was just bizarre.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: Don't do anything is what he told him.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: Don't do anything. Let him die. Maybe they're meant to die.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: Let me die too.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: Bullshit.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: Let me die too. It's like, Well, you don't have to.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: I didn't like any of that stuff either.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: A fraction of a second to go over there and
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: grab dad out of the way of that tornado where
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: you could just go and blow it away.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: Nobody would see you because you're Superman.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: This is just a bald plot point.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, stupid.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: Well, and I kind of.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Zod is determined to pretty much wipe out this planet
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: and recreate it in the form, in the image of Krypton,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: which I thought was a cool idea. The way he's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: doing it's dumb. But the fact that he's basically going
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: to disintegrate these people... What the heck? Twist his head.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: That didn't bother me.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: Well, it also seems really.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: He wasn't carrying that moral baggage that the characters carried for,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: you know, 60 years or so.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: But at this point, like, if you make... If you
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: go down that road, like, how is he going to
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: be a good superhero? If he just... At that point,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: if he just kills indiscriminately.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: Then, of course, he goes and, you know... The post
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: scene where he just, you know, knocks the drone out
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: of the sky.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I should probably watch it in English.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Because they're keeping an eye on him. He doesn't like that.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I might watch it in Chinese.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: That might be better. You know, it just, like I said,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: it's still, it's just, for me, it's not the travesty
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: that people make it out to be, but it's also
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: not very interesting.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: No, I just thought it was boring. But I just,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: it's one of those, we didn't mention that last week,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: and I thought about that.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: They got theirs wrong.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: It's PG-13.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: They varied. Pull it back a few times, really, for
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: as much destruction as they have. They still kind of
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: make sure to keep it that PG-13 level.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: Well, they're having that big fight, and yes, buildings are
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: getting knocked over and everything, but I'm thinking in the moment,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: there's not a whole hell of a lot to defend him.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: There's not a whole hell of a lot he can do.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: He just seems like he does not care, is the thing.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: That's a failure of performance.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: And they destroy a huge portion of the city in
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: the Avengers, but it feels like every single moment they're
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: doing nothing but trying to save human beings. And Superman
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: doesn't seem like he gives a rat's ass.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: I just think that's poor writing.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: He could have easily done some things to try to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: avoid that.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: They're just going for spectacle. And it's impressive spectacle. It's spectacle. Still.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Chinese, they rated R for strong violence, gruesome accidents, language,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: drug content, and nudity.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Don't remember nudity. Don't remember nudity.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing they just copied and pasted that.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe they just put that on there because it's going
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: to sell more.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe so. Ooh, hot American film.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: Wait, what was the accident again?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: Gruesome accident.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: Gruesome accident.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess buildings falling on people is fairly gruesome.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: I like that.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I was bored for moments during The Avengers.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Vendors was too long for me because that was
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: one where I sort of saw it last year, but
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: I had a little bit too much.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of it that's great.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: I re-watched it and I was like, it's fun, but
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be this long. It doesn't need
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: to be like two hours and 45 minutes long.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: Nothing does, but everything is.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: And it's just essentially Masters of the Universe. You kind
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: of get down to the plot. It's not everything like,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: you know, Dark Knight Rises. It's like, it's essentially just
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Ernest Ghost's Because he's hated for doing something wrong. There's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: a period of time where he goes through an accident.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: He's trapped. And at the end, both ride off into
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: the sunset with the bomb.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Think about it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Think about it.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: Do I have to? This is the type of things we.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Talk about at the Baxter when we're bored.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: It's a ripoff.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just, it seemed, there was just so much talking.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: And I know Sam Jackson needs to be in it,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: but why? I mean, It's like they're cramming in characters
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: because they have to. I mean, you could have solved
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: the whole thing with Iron Man and the Hulk. You
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: didn't need everybody else.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: Well, Thor.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: Thor is a god.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Thor.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's just knock some shit over and we'll destroy everybody.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: It's just that whole let's impress the fans. To a degree,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: it's let's impress the fans with who we're pulling in.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: And even DC's going down that route with some of
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: the things they're doing.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: Well, out of competition now.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Let's make an Ant-Man movie.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Let's make an Ant-Man movie. Avengers, it's just like, got him,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: got away, got him, got away. It's cat and mouse
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: that almost seems superfluous to make it as long as
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: they could. You know, I don't know really.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Which to this day, you know, and you as a
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: fellow exhibitor understand, I don't know why they make these
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: movies so damn long. They could show it one more
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: time and make more money. In a day, yeah. They
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: just can't seem to control the direction.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: With the Transformers movies, I watched The Dark of the
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Moon again because I was like– Suck. The first time through,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is the worst plot. I never
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: thought that they could get one.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: Since the second one?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: No, that's exactly what it was. I was like– because
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: the second one, huge holes, especially in time and space,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: crossing half of– The Middle East in 40 minutes in
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: a car. Well, anyway.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: That seems fine.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, if they just show some
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: scantily clad women for a few minutes, show shit blowing
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: up and robots transforming, it would be a hit. We
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: don't need Shia LaBeouf and John Malkovich. Was great in
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: the scene where he played the eccentric, strange boss, but
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: why was– it was like 10 minutes. I'm like, why
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: is this scene going on? Show me a fucking robot.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, stop trying to legitimize this and show it what
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: people came to see.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: And they had this whole plot of like, well, the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Decepticons planted this here and we're going to infiltrate and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to do this. If it was– I'm sorry.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: But if it was there and they had the thing
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: they wanted, they didn't need the Autobots to discover it
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: to get it. And they didn't need to wait 60
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: years to fucking get it.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: It was like.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: It's like people don't even pay attention. I like how
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: heated you're getting.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: God damn it.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: No, I'm sorry.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: It's Transformers. I am a Transformers purist. And I.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: It's... I need to look it up. Somebody did an
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: online review of the second Transformers film, and they did
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: it from the point of view that it's the most
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: groundbreaking film ever.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's neat.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: But the reason they did it, they said it's like,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: you know, it's the ultimate art film is what they explained.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: I know who you're talking about.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who did it, but it's hilarious.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: He's very contrary.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Well, all of these different, you know, directors like Lars
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: von Trier has been breaking all these walls. It's like,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: here's a film to where... they try to not even
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: have a plot. It's not a film to where there
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: are no conventional characters, there's no narrative or anything. This
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: is a film to where there's seemingly a narrative, but
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: no plot. And not only that, but they pointed out
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: how it's like this great social commentary of American audiences,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: where it's like, what better way to mock the American
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: audience than by giving them exactly what they want. This
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: is what an American audience wants, nothing but explosions and
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: all this. It's, The way this person breaks it down,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: making it sound like the most brilliant film ever, it's
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: also sort of a mockery of reading film reviews. You
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: should go back and find who wrote that and where
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: I'd love to read it.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: They basically approach it as reviewing the film as if
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: it were an art film and how it's brilliant if
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: you look at it from the point of view of
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: an art film.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Well, they tried to make it like Inception or.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: You know, oceans 11 and like, Oh, there's all these layers.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: No, it's not.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: I don't see. Well, I mean, I haven't seen any
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: of the transformers films. If I, if I were expecting
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: to get something out of it, I would think you
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: just have Decepticons show up. Transformers fight them. It's robots fighting.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Is that not what they are?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: No, it's no, it's unfortunately bad, bad plot.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: And they make up all of this backstory that doesn't matter.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: And doesn't help the plot.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: It's that typical Hollywood pissing on something that already works.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: Now, let's conventionalize this.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: They should have just made like, let's take Armageddon's plot
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: and make it robots. And instead of an asteroid, you
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: make it fucking Decepticons. And let's have, you know, Aerosmith
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: do a soundtrack.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: God help us.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: And blow shit up. And it would be fantastic.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: Which is kind of what they did with Pacific Rim,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: thank God. Well, yeah. And it works.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Pacific Rim worked.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: My kids.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: loved the explosions they loved you know aliens and robots
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: beating the crap out of each other the only part
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: they didn't like is the whole well um when they're
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: getting into the other world and they're getting no just
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: let them come out of the ocean and let's just
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: they keep they're coming in waves and we think this
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: next one's coming that's it just blow shit up you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: know if you're going for popcorn go for popcorn.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: I'll sacrifice a lot on the altar of cool if
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: what they give you is really cool. And Pacific Rim
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: gave you a lot of really cool stuff. Yeah. I
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: thought the first Transformers had a couple of cool things
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: in it.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: It did.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: I love that whole helicopter scene where it rolls in.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: They're like, what is this helicopter? Who is this? Very mysterious.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: And it just unfolds and starts wreaking havoc. I love that.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: That was cool. But then, you know, it stopped. It
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: started to try to have a plot. But, you know,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: once again, Pacific Rim pulled it off. People were saying, oh,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: this is a Transformers ripoff. I'm like, no, it's actually,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: you know, it's done right. It's done right.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: What I didn't like about Pacific Rim is they had
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: a badass female character that had a backstory. And they
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: proved that she could mentally and physically hold her own
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: without undermining her up to a point. And then immediately...
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: They have to have the man defend her honor when
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: we already know she can hold her own. And then
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: they take more of her backstory and make another man
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: have to defend her honor. Just like, bam, bam.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: That's almost being too faithful to source material, which is anime.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: And that goes on constantly in anime with the strong
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: females who are not really strong. Right.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: But they look really hot in that outfit.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: They look great.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: She was a great character until she allowed the man
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: to stand up for her. Because she could have fucked
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: them both over. We already saw that. But other than that,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: like I said, my kids had.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: A ball with it. It was loud. It was too loud.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: There weren't enough people in the theater.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: If there would have been more to absorb the sound.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: I saw it opening day at Baxter. Came up for
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: a matinee. saw it, just got energized by it because
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: I knew I was going to enjoy it. And I got,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: I got evangelistic, you know, and that's rare that I
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: get evangelistic about any film anymore. I went home, I
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: downloaded that one cool piece of music they use in
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: the end credits, you know, the part that's a mix
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: of like heavy metal and orchestral piece. And I was
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: playing it in the car. And as soon as like,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: you know, Allie and Janet were available, I was like,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: we've got to go back. And we went back that
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: night and had a good time. And by that time
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: there was a bigger audience, you know, and I was,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: people were asking me, you like this? I said, twice
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: today and that hasn't happened since like Empire Strikes Back
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: so I enjoyed it it works better on the big
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: screen I have to admit yeah but I haven't seen
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: it it was fun and it gradually eked out a
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: decent showing and they fought it despite their efforts to
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: destroy it.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah did you ever see it did you ever actually
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: see it no it came out when I was out
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: of country when I came back we had just lost.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: It it's fun just pick it up and watch it
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: it's a fun movie turn the stereo up Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: For it. It's got the snappy, cool, you know, editing
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: to it that I just loved. Like I said, it's very...
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: And I don't like Top Gun, but the comparisons were...
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: It was like Top Gun meets, you know, giant robots.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it works. It's cool to have these really
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: cocky characters as these robot jocks. And I really... just
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: got into it. The music, everything about.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: It was fun.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: Just fun. And that's rare. A lot of stereotypes.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: That's the source material. Yeah.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: In a lot of movies, it doesn't seem like they
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: tried– so much to have something that they're conveying. Sometimes
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: films that's, that should be done for fun, forget to
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: be fun. Like Man of Steel should have been fun.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah. That was a huge argument. It's like, it's too,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: it's burned.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: It's, it's trying to be bad.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: That's why I've always liked the Fast and the Furious movies.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: It's like, they're just stupid fun.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah. They're B movies.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: I can turn my brain off and thoroughly enjoy them.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't see the last one. Um, Fast and Furious,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: the sixth one. That's the only one I haven't seen yet,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: but the other five, I think, are a blast.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: I grew up loving B-movies, and it's like Hollywood doesn't
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: want to make them anymore. Physically, they'll look like a B-movie,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: but they'll be an A-movie, which means.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Burdened.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: Don't want to take the property and try to turn
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: it into a movie.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: And that's, you know, when it comes to the superhero stuff,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: that's the classic mistake DC is making that they did
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: when they were publishing comics. You know, Marvel came along
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: and jazzed it up and made it fun back in
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: the 60s. DC remained, you know, sort of this plot thing.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: They're doing the same thing with their movies. Let's make
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Batman as serious as we can. And let's try it
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  Speaker 4: with Superman, too, and it just doesn't quite work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's why I didn't see The Amazing Spider-Man
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  Speaker 2: because– both from watching the trailers and then hearing from people,
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  Speaker 2: they said that it basically, they're like, oh, it's great because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's more along the lines of The Dark Knight.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, it shouldn't be. It's Spider-Man.
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  Speaker 6: It's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 2: Goofy and whimsical. I mean, I haven't seen it, so
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  Speaker 2: I can't judge, but Sam Raimi, I really felt like
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  Speaker 2: captured that whole essence.
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  Speaker 4: That's still my favorite superhero origin picture. Yeah. Spider-Man's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Spider-Man 2 is equally as good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, has anyone here seen Amazing Spider-Man?
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  Speaker 6: I saw it. I didn't like it.
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  Speaker 4: It was just like this, to my mind, instant reboot.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's been a decade.
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  Speaker 6: But it still feels like I just saw it.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that they've been making all these Marvel movies.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the Hulk, they did it. And, of course,
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  Speaker 4: they did do a better one. I'm like, wow, they're
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  Speaker 4: just turning these things over.
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  Speaker 6: Within a couple years.
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  Speaker 4: That one was miserable.
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  Speaker 2: The Ang Lee.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I never saw it.
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  Speaker 4: I finally caught some of it on TV and there
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  Speaker 4: were little moments I was like, well, he's trying to
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  Speaker 4: make a comic book movie, but then it goes off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, because when they go to the panel screen.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, he's trying. Yeah, he had a different idea
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  Speaker 6: of what he was wanting to do with it and
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  Speaker 6: it just didn't work.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't until everything got under the umbrella of Marvel
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  Speaker 4: productions that it all started to line up right.
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  Speaker 1: I got sick of the... him able to just jump
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  Speaker 1: all over the place. I was like, what is he,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: a fucking kangaroo? I mean, he was just jumping from
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: mountain to mountain.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know. It was silly.
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  Speaker 2: There's still a little bit of that in, like, the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Avengers and that, but it's.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Hulk did that stuff. I mean, I was reading
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  Speaker 4: those comics in the 70s, and he would, you know,
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  Speaker 4: jump for miles and things like that. I can accept it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think, you know, Marvel's transition to film
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  Speaker 4: is overall not bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they're all fun.
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  Speaker 4: They're fun.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, even the lesser ones are fun, usually.
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  Speaker 4: I still think the best of all of them is
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  Speaker 4: the first Iron Man.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, sure. It's a great origin story, if you have
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  Speaker 6: to do one.
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  Speaker 1: He plays such an asshole. The character is an asshole.
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  Speaker 1: The second one is a mess. I refuse to see
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  Speaker 1: the third one.
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  Speaker 6: The third one's pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: The second one doesn't take itself seriously.
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  Speaker 6: The second one they took so much out of his
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  Speaker 6: hands that I don't even blame Favreau.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't his fault, but No, the first one was fun.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: I liked Captain America.
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  Speaker 6: I really liked it.
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  Speaker 4: The majority of people were kind of cold on it.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: That's kind of one of my favorite ones. He's a
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: solid workman director. He turns in good stuff.
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  Speaker 6: I just like the period piece aspect of it.
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  Speaker 2: It makes it a lot of fun. I was a
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: little bit lukewarm on the final ending where it wakes
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  Speaker 2: up and it's like, oh, what year is this?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: We knew that was coming.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like they did that less for the sake
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: of that individual movie And more to set up the Avengers.
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  Speaker 4: Sure. Plus, they're always thinking about the kids. And they're thinking, oh,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: the kids aren't going to like it because it's, you know.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: We can't keep it a period piece, yeah.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: And they may be right to a degree, but not
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: to the degree they think they are. It's the problem
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: with producers.
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  Speaker 5: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: I still feel like what the actual ending was could
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: have been the PS. And so you could have just
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: left off the movie three credits.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: Just, you know, kind of seeing.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Like it was like the shield or whatever it was
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: in the. you know, the Arctic area, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we've rounded out at least a, a few options
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: of stuff that we've seen this year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. That sums up everything I saw. I mentioned the way,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: way back, which I really liked.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: It was a great coming of age picture, which I
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: don't think too many people saw Steve Carell playing a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: very different kind of guy, which is unusual. Yeah. He
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: was terrific.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: I did see, I saw, um, monsters university in the
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: theater i kept thinking i know i'd only seen two
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: movies and that was and um besides robocop obviously that
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: was amazing well that.
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  Speaker 2: Actually i would take yeah that was my favorite theatrical
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: experiences here was the ultra pulverized robocop show yeah.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: That was well worth my money yeah that was that
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: would have been concert money that you could pay for
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: something like that but yeah no monsters university was um
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: A big disappointment. I barely laughed. I paid for the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: village prices.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: It didn't even last. I think it lasted at the back.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: It looks like this is kind of the demise of Pixar.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: They've been so engulfed by Disney. They're not breaking that
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: ground they did for decades.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Everyone's all excited about Incredibles 2. I'm like, I don't
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: really care about a second Incredibles. I don't see the point.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: Again, they're just doing sequels now. That was why they
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: were so great. Other than Toy Story, it's like they
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: did individual stories each and every time with new characters
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: and then now it became Cars 2 and Monsters University.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: Planes 1 through 3.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god. I couldn't watch any of that. They can't.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: Not help but pollute what they do. Unfortunately, the DreamWorks is,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: I think, out pacing them now in quality.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: That's scary.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: The final one I'll at least mention that I really
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: enjoyed just because prior to doing the whole Giallo project
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: over the summer, I was trying to watch as many
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: as I could from previous years. And I hadn't watched
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: really any domestic stuff. I'd just been watching all the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Italian things. But everyone kept raving about Brian De Palma's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Dressed to Kill. And I watched it and I was like,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: this is a shit ton of fun. Yeah. It's like
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: the Giallo purists will dump on it just because it's
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: an American film. But it has all the basic mechanics.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: I love the whole scene to where the female protagonist
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: early on, it almost does that whole psycho switch to
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: where it's like you're following this character and it's like, no,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: she's wiped out. I love it to where she realizes
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: that someone's following her, and you just have the music
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: and just the sound of, like, her heels walking in
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: the art museum for, like, this five-minute sequence. There's no dialogue.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: It's just the sound of footsteps in this art museum
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: and the music. It's a very cool film. Michael Caine,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: you can tell, is really enjoying himself on set. I mean,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: it's very sweet.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was him at the top of his game,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: I finally saw Sisters, which I'd never seen.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: That's one that I've actually had on my queue for
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: a while and keeps getting bumped down. It's Margot Kidder.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Margot's really good in it, but
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: I really don't like a lot of the rest of
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: the movie. It just felt really just low rent as
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: far as its execution. It can be fun to watch,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: but then it gets three quarters of the way through
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: and it's like, wait a minute, just some very ridiculous
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: things start to happen, but I thought she was incredibly appealing.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: I always wondered what was, I never was a big
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: fan of Margo. You know, I saw that and I said, oh,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: she's pretty good at this. She's really kind of interesting.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: But I did finally see that on one of those
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: late night, you know, TCM things. But yeah, Dressed to Kill,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: when it came out, was a big, big deal. And
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: I really liked it. It was probably his, like, it's 80.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: I thought it was 80, 79 or 80. It's 80.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: You know. Which, yeah, and then after I saw that,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: I went ahead and watched Eyes of Lower Mars. I
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: probably should have watched them in the reverse order. Because,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not bad. I mean, it's cool that
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Carpenter was trying something different, but he just kind of
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: labors under sort of a sluggish pace throughout much of it.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: I think he says we're done.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: I guess that's a good way to wrap it up, so. Otherwise,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: we will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for listening. It all depends on me.
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  Speaker 8: It's the answer.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 10: I make when I'm lost and hungry. Oh, what will
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 10: scare your heart's beat?
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  Speaker 8: Sound your time. Laugh at my throat.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Think what these friends do.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: I think you want it all I think you want
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: it Oh, he's like.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 10: Always so blind. These lights all leave me blind. I
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 10: just stay.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 7: Is that cat scratching itself?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 10: Nah, digging in a box.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to work that in now.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, it works.
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  Speaker 2: It works.
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