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#504 The Question About Eternal Life · Claymore: Become Who You Are

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Become who you Are podcast, a production of the John Paul II Renewal Center.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jack Riggert, your host.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: So glad you're with me.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Hope you're doing well.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: I was invited to a dinner party last night.
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  Speaker 1: Phil Lawler who you may or may not know and I'm not going to take the time to go into it all, but he's in town from the East Coast to speak at a Catholic Citizens of Illinois luncheon today.
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  Speaker 1: And so last night he was in town and he was at a friend of mine's house and I was invited there and I met a number of his friends who are young Catholic families, mothers and fathers, some of the children were there, etc.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: And I just met this incredible group of people.
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  Speaker 1: Phil Lawler, by the way, is here to talk about Pope Francis and I'll make a couple of comments on Pope Francis as we get into this episode today.
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  Speaker 1: But let me just tell you this, francis, as we get into this episode today.
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  Speaker 1: But let me just tell you this these young Catholic couples, their eyes were just so open to what's going on today.
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  Speaker 1: I was really taken in.
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  Speaker 1: I had so much I wanted to share and could share, but at some point I just stopped and began to listen.
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  Speaker 1: They're just full of.
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  Speaker 1: They just had all of this knowledge, but even more than information, right, it was going deep into their heart.
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  Speaker 1: It's embedded deep into their heart.
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  Speaker 1: You just see the beauty of these families flourishing and you understand that Jesus really wants the human heart.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to sink in deep to the human heart.
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  Speaker 1: And Phil Lawler was talking about a couple of things that he'll be speaking about today with Pope Francis, about the church today.
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  Speaker 1: And you know we try to be gracious, we all are fallen, we all are sinners and you know you try not to get into a vitriol and just open your eyes and say here's reality.
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  Speaker 1: So very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And I won't get into that today.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll get a chance to, after Phil's talk today, maybe make some points on Pope Francis and where the church is today.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: But let me just tell you that this session today, the question about eternal life, the question about eternal life comes from a young man, the young rich man in the gospel, who wants to know about eternal life.
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  Speaker 1: What must I do to inherit eternal life?
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  Speaker 1: He says to Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: And Jesus, just to give you an overview Jesus, when he comes into the world, he takes the Old Testament law and he expands it from that nation state, expands it to the whole world.
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  Speaker 1: Right, god wants the whole world invited into this story, this love story of God who creates us in love, by love and for love.
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  Speaker 1: And then he goes the other way.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to reach into your heart, he wants to change your heart.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I saw with those young Catholic families yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw the depth of their heart.
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  Speaker 1: Look, we're all battling, we're all struggling, good and evil, and we wake up every day.
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  Speaker 1: But they have eyes open.
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  Speaker 1: See, their consciences are working, their hearts are not hardened to the message of God.
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  Speaker 1: You don't always agree on every little point when you're in conversations with these people, but they're always open to listen and to share.
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  Speaker 1: To listen and to share.
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  Speaker 1: And it's that part where we're all going deeper.
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  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, god wants an encounter with you, jesus Christ wants an encounter with you.
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  Speaker 1: God himself wants to pour himself into our hearts and change our hearts so that we can go out and change the world.
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  Speaker 1: That's what these young Catholic families are doing.
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  Speaker 1: They're bringing the love into their heart and into their home and then going out and working and doing different things and then bringing that message out into the world.
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  Speaker 1: This is how you change the world, right?
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  Speaker 1: So it's just beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to share that with you because I want to talk a little bit about hell, about eternal life and the importance of understanding all this.
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  Speaker 1: And I just want to tell you that there are people out there Again, I was mesmerized really by the depth of information and these people, with all their occupations and their families and their kids, you think, well, they don't have time for anything and yet they had time to study the church, to take the church deeply within, or take the person of the bridegroom, the eternal bridegroom, jesus Christ, and bring him into your hearts and then understand enough to articulate the church's position on so many things and live that out.
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  Speaker 1: It's really a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 1: So the question about eternal life I want to just start this out with Matthew 5, chapter 5, verse 20 from yesterday's gospel and, by the way, it was a memorial of St Anthony of Padua.
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  Speaker 1: He's just such a beautiful saint.
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  Speaker 1: Look up, st Anthony of Padua.
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  Speaker 1: He's known as the saint of lost things, when we lose things, but St Anthony of Padua helped me find my mind on certain occasions.
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  Speaker 1: He helps me today find things before I even lose them.
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  Speaker 1: I really lean on him.
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  Speaker 1: What a wonderful saint.
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  Speaker 1: So, anyways, that was his memorial yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: And the gospel from yesterday again, matthew, chapter 5, just read you a little bit from verse 20.
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  Speaker 1: And Jesus said to his disciples I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this now Unless your righteousness he's speaking to all of us now surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the scribes and Pharisees were the religious leaders of Jesus' day there.
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  Speaker 1: And he's saying look it, these people need to go further, you need to expand, you need to go into your heart.
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  Speaker 1: You need to take this message again into the heart.
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  Speaker 1: He said you have heard it said to your ancestors you shall not kill and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.
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  Speaker 1: This is true, right, you can't kill, but I say to you, jesus said whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment.
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  Speaker 1: Whoever says to his brother Raka, you know, this is like derogatory term like you're an idiot, you're stupid, you know you don't have any brains.
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  Speaker 1: I mean even those things you know not to show love towards your brothers and sisters and you think about this crazy culture today and what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're going to be answerable to the Sanhedrin.
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  Speaker 1: He says so, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me not go into that, but whoever says you fool, will be liable to fiery Gehenna.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're not careful, if you don't go deeper than the scribes and the Pharisees, you don't take this into your heart.
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  Speaker 1: If you say you're trying to live this out or you are righteous, you're living this out, but yet in your heart you don't look at your brothers and sisters and you don't love them.
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  Speaker 1: You're being unkind to them.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, you're fool.
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  Speaker 1: You don't look at your brothers and sisters and you don't love them.
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  Speaker 1: You're being unkind to them.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, you're fool.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to be liable to the fiery Gehenna.
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  Speaker 1: So what's Gehenna?
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  Speaker 1: Gehenna is hell.
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  Speaker 1: There is a place, a valley of Gehenna, south of Jerusalem, and they had a garbage dump there and it was continually smoldering.
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  Speaker 1: People were always bringing garbage, it was a big place, they burned garbage and it was always smoking and smoldering and little fires were going on all the time, and it was this heat and this smell, right, and sulfur.
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  Speaker 1: And so he was alluding to this image.
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  Speaker 1: This is what's going to happen to your life if you don't get it together.
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  Speaker 1: And it's very, very interesting Again.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Very interesting Again.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go, your righteousness.
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  Speaker 1: So what is Jesus saying here?
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  Speaker 1: He inaugurates a new and climactic phase in salvation history.
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  Speaker 1: He enters into the new covenant.
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  Speaker 1: So we had the old covenant, the Mosaic law, the Ten Commandments, and in the Deuteronomy even more.
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  Speaker 1: He's teaching in the Old Testament Moses, teaching those people to become a city-state.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna make ourselves different than everybody else because we're gonna bring God's message in here.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna live this out.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna separate us from all of the city-states around us.
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  Speaker 1: Right in this land of Cana, laws, regulated public behavior to maintain civil order.
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  Speaker 1: It's erected an outward sign of righteousness that defined God's people as a nation.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Well.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus invites the scribes and the Pharisees to recognize the Mosaic law as God's temporary arrangement to make them closer to God, separating them again from the sins of the Gentiles.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually, the Israelites expected a day when God would write this law on their hearts.
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  Speaker 1: You've heard that right, this law on their hearts, from Jeremiah to Deuteronomy.
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  Speaker 1: Ezekiel talks about this.
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  Speaker 1: So Christ's new covenant.
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  Speaker 1: When he comes in, he says now, we're going to go further.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to go two ways.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to go outward, we're going to extend this message now beyond our city state, beyond our boundaries.
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  Speaker 1: The church now, message now beyond our city-state, beyond our boundaries.
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  Speaker 1: The church now, the bride of Christ, is going to be open to all the Gentiles.
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  Speaker 1: Right, this is what Jesus does.
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  Speaker 1: And then what's the other thing?
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  Speaker 1: Inwardly, inwardly to each one of us, each individual human heart, the new covenant penetrates to the heart, it reaches within, to what To govern personal and private life by a standard of holiness.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the universal call to holiness.
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  Speaker 1: And each of us are called to that universal call to holiness.
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  Speaker 1: As the old covenant formed virtuous citizens in Israel right to live this out and separate themselves from the other nations, the new covenant generates saints in the church.
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  Speaker 1: The other nations.
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  Speaker 1: The new covenant generates saints in the church.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to just touch on one more thing here.
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  Speaker 1: In Mark, chapter 9, verse 42, jesus says and he's talking about temptations to sin, and he's talking about little ones, some children, right, whoever causes one of these little ones to believe in, who believe in me, to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone would be hung around his neck and he'd be thrown into the sea.
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  Speaker 1: Even if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.
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  Speaker 1: He goes on to this.
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  Speaker 1: He's using hyperbole here.
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  Speaker 1: He'll say cut off body parts, pluck out your eye if it's causing you to sin.
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  Speaker 1: Of course he doesn't really mean that, but literally.
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  Speaker 1: But he's saying look, this is the danger of sin.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be open to sin.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I again, when I was with those Catholic families yesterday, compared to so many people in the world that are blinded by sin and these trans ideologies and these divisions they're causing and the violence all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: And we've lost our sense of sin.
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  Speaker 1: We've lost our sense of consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: And Jesus is trying to wake you up.
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  Speaker 1: And you think about this.
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  Speaker 1: You think about what we're doing to our kids abortion and we started out here do not kill.
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  Speaker 1: And yet we have the right we wrote it into our law of our land to kill our own children.
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  Speaker 1: We do this all over Western civilization.
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  Speaker 1: We've taken marriage and twisted it and distorted it to the point where marriage is meaningless and we're stealing the innocence of our children in the public school systems here in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So let me just touch on this.
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  Speaker 1: Gehenna again, right.
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  Speaker 1: So Gehenna, the valley directly southwest of Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus refers to it 11 times in the Gospels as dreadful symbol of hell.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't wake up your consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: This is where we're going, my friends.
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  Speaker 1: We have to wake up.
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  Speaker 1: We have to realize you can't kill your own children, that marriage is not meaningless, it has meaning.
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  Speaker 1: And then we have to bring God into our heart and love one another.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the two great commandments done in one love God and love your neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: So again, let me just go a little bit further.
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  Speaker 1: Gehenna in the Old Testament it was a frightful place, valley of the Sons of Hinnom, it's.
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  Speaker 1: In the Old Testament it was a site of a frightful Canaanite cult.
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  Speaker 1: So remember when Moses led his people out of the desert, huh, and he leads them into this land of Cana, right.
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  Speaker 1: And now they're going to start a city-state there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there is a Canaanite cult that worshiped the idols of Moloch and Baal by burning children and sacrificed there, and they sacrificed their kids.
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  Speaker 1: So when you lose your consciousness, when you take God out, when you forget about God, you'll do frightful things, it says, and kill your own children.
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  Speaker 1: Well, jeremiah, that comes from Jeremiah, chapter 7.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to read you just a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So verse 30, I'm going to start.
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  Speaker 1: It's for the sons of Judah had done evil in my sight, says the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: They set their abominations in the house which is called by my name to defile it.
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  Speaker 1: And he's talking about this burning of children.
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  Speaker 1: He goes on and on and he tells us what's happened.
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  Speaker 1: And so let me just I'm trying to summarize this so I don't go on too long with this but I want you to realize that what we're doing today, we've lost our consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: But yet Jeremiah could not wake up those people's hearts right and say you know, you can't burn children.
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  Speaker 1: You have to go further than this.
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  Speaker 1: We can't do this.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: You know God doesn't want us to sacrifice our children.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's twisting and distortion when you take God out of your life.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what's happening today.
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  Speaker 1: We've lost our sense of sin.
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  Speaker 1: So the prophet's failure here, jeremiah, he failed to, you know, and it can be put down to these people's hard hardness.
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  Speaker 1: They rejected the message of this prophet, so that's the insensitivity that prevents them from examining their consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: So when you no longer even have a, everybody has a conscience and it never goes away but when we no longer examine our conscience, when we push it down, it can get dark, dark, dark.
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  Speaker 1: We can cover it up to the point where we lose touch with it right, and we lose touch with the desire to change ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: We don't no longer hear the voice of God and our free choices have led us down to a deep, dark path In our own time.
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  Speaker 1: This attitude of mind and heart is perhaps reflected in the loss of the sense of sin, and Pope Pius XII had already declared in 1946 on a radio message.
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  Speaker 1: He said this the sin of the century, he said and this is right as World War II is winding down and the destruction of so many people, he said, the sin of the century is the loss of the sense of sin, and this loss goes hand in hand with the loss of the sense of God.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the whole point.
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  Speaker 1: On this last part I'm saying If you throw God out, if God has forgotten, the creature itself grows unintelligible.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know who we are.
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  Speaker 1: This is again what we're seeing with these young people in the trans movement on college campuses.
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  Speaker 1: They no longer know who they are and they're grasping and trying to take.
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  Speaker 1: God is the origin and supreme end of mankind.
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  Speaker 1: When you take God out, right, you no longer see the mystery of life and love in the other person.
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  Speaker 1: You no longer can love them.
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  Speaker 1: You know the violence, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Today I'll be praying outside of a local library in Downers Grove, not too far from me, and we're going to be praying the rosary out there because they have drag queen story hour coming in drag queen story hour and they're going to bring children to this and we get back.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's better than a millstone be put on your neck.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to twist and distort them so those kids no longer have this or in touch with their own hearts and being led to God.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of leading to God, parents are going to bring them into drag Queen's Story Hour.
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  Speaker 1: What happened here?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So, god, when God is taken out, it's vain to hope that we're going to have a sense of sin within our human hearts, right, because if you take God out, you have nobody to offend, it's just your feelings.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, so the church, john Paul II, wrote in his encyclical on the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: He said hence, the church constantly implores from God the grace that integrity of human consciences will not be lost, that we don't lose it, that we don't lose.
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  Speaker 1: John Paul said our healthy sensitivity with regard to good and evil, that it won't be blunted that we keep God in our hearts so we know what is good and what is evil.
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  Speaker 1: And you would think, well, we know that.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing how human beings were created in the Imago Dei to be in touch with God all the time, to be vibrating inside with God.
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  Speaker 1: When we take that vibration out right, we fall very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing how it happens.
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  Speaker 1: So buckle up and get ready for the rest of today's episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'm back, thank you, you just need to take a little breath, right?
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  Speaker 1: I kind of just was winging that in a way and just going off my heart.
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  Speaker 1: I hope that makes sense because I'm not going to have time to go today.
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  Speaker 1: I got such a busy schedule I'm not going to have time to go back and edit it, so I'm just going to ask my listeners you know you've been with me long enough, most of you, that I think you can follow most of what I said there.
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  Speaker 1: I hope so.
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  Speaker 1: If there's any new listeners coming on, just sit on all of that for a little while.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Go back and read those gospel messages and stuff I and read those gospel messages and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I've been unpacking on Friday when I can, or Saturday, some messages to young people, but these are to all of us, to open up our hearts, to be in touch with their heart.
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  Speaker 1: When I see young people, look at these families that I'm with.
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  Speaker 1: They're not little kids anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them have five, six, seven, eight kids and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful Catholic families.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: So the question about eternal life what must I do so that my life may have value, have meaning?
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  Speaker 1: I reflected on this.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about George Orwell's statement.
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  Speaker 1: He said each generation comes along and imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it and wiser than the one that comes after it.
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  Speaker 1: And I always smile.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I think about Barack Obama, and I have to be careful here because of what Jesus said.
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  Speaker 1: You know who's ever angry with their brother.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to be angry with him as a person.
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  Speaker 1: But you know he came in and he did a lot of damage to our country and I can't you know again, I'm not condemning him, god's going to have to figure that one out but I could just say that their damage was real.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And he came in there and he says hope and change, imagining himself, and we're all disconnected from God.
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  Speaker 1: So all of these people come into the story and they say what, oh my gosh.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Hope and change, yes, yes, yes, he never said what hope and change was, but our imaginations start to go.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we're smarter than anybody else that came before us and anybody that's going to come after us.
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  Speaker 1: We know the answers.
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  Speaker 1: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: And we brought in Marxism, you know, to the country.
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  Speaker 1: Throw God out, attack churches, bring abortion, make it stronger and stronger.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, this has happened way before, barack, but you know, when you kind of just, you know, make sure God is out of the public square and the people you know will follow these false shepherds.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: It's amazing what happens.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Right, we have false shepherds in the church today.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't want to just pick on Barack.
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  Speaker 1: You know and look at, I'm a fallen person, you're a fallen person.
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  Speaker 1: We all need to step back into the story.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about hating other people, it's about loving those people, but loving them in the truth, speaking the truth, in love.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have to be connected to Jesus Christ, to his church, to good leaders, and we don't have a ton of great shepherds around right.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, I think about Pope Francis and he keeps saying you know, poo-pooing hell and I, you know, I'm in my personal opinion, but I don't think too many people are in hell.
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  Speaker 1: If it's well, it's not what Jesus said, pope Francis, you know, tap Pope Francis, somebody on the shoulder and say you know, jesus spoke about this often.
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  Speaker 1: Hell is real and it starts right here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just look around.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if I was Satan, I would love to have people say that hell doesn't exist, evil doesn't really exist.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: You know, we twist and distort them, we render them sterile, right?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You've heard me talk about this all the time with these gender ideologies.
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  Speaker 1: So what must I do, then, that my life may have value, have meaning?
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  Speaker 1: This question comes from the lips of the young man in the gospel in the following form.
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  Speaker 1: He says what must I do, jesus, to inherit eternal life?
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  Speaker 1: It's a question, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Is a person today let me put it this way is a person today who would put this question in this form, speaking a language still intelligible, something that we would understand?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: What must I do to inherit eternal life?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: You know, are we not, john Paul said, the generation whose horizon of existence is completely filled by the world and temporal progress.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: We live in this horizontal zone, don't we?
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  Speaker 1: We think primarily, john Paul said, in earthly categories If we go beyond the limits of our planet, even you know, to launch interplanetary flights, to send up rockets, transmit signals to other planets, send cosmic probes in their direction, all this has become the content of our modern civilization.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Science, john Paul said, with technology, has discovered in an incomparable way man's possibilities with regard to matter, and they have also succeeded in dominating.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Listen to this, listen to this.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So he's talking about the rockets going off.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: We have discovered incomparable ways and possibilities to use what's been given to us in creation by God to our benefit and to explore it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yet, yet, yet what has science and technology done?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: He says it's also succeeded in dominating the interior world of his thoughts, capacities, tendencies and passions.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So it's infiltrated that human heart in a way that could be very dangerous.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Look at, science and technology can be used for good, but it can also, very powerful, on the other hand, can leverage evil.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I'm reminded of John Paul II's reflection on the 20th century.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: He's looking back at the 20th century and all the wars and the violence.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It began with the hope of unlimited progress, right Hope and change, but ended in the bloodiest century known to history.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Do you know this?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: More people have been killed in wars in the 20th and now into the 21st century by far than any other centuries, any other time in human history.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Add to that the amount of babies that we're killing.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, this death and destruction.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So modern man has placed his hopes for a Messiah, you know, to somebody like the Barack Obama's.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: You know, people are looking at Joe Biden, who can't even find his way on or off a stage, just mumbles up there and they love him, they're just going to vote for him and just, oh my goodness, and he's just wandering around in his own little world.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: This is how dark we've gotten right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: So modern man has placed his hopes for Messiah and his own genius in science, technology, medicine.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Isn't that right?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You've heard me talk about all these vaccines and all this stuff.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, right, but whenever man loses sight of the great mystery, god himself, that's connected to our human hearts, and sets its sights only on this world, he always meets disappointment, even despair, because John Paul said the world is not capable of making man happy, it's not capable of saving him from evil in all its types and forms illness, epidemics, cataclysms, pandemics, catastrophes and the like.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Right, this world with its riches and its wants?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: It needs to be saved, it needs to be redeemed.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: It seems that we should all caught on to this cosmic story by now.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Right, good versus evil, light versus darkness, love versus lust, and seek the better way that's been revealed to us.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: But we're disconnected.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: We're disconnected from our hearts.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: We don't got out.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: We missed the larger story.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: We get caught up in our smaller story, trying to grasp and take and fill ourselves any way we can.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: The result's always the same a broken heart.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Our team at the John Paul II Renewal Center I told this story not too long ago to you.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: We were wrapping up a presentation with a group of teens and I asked them do you have anything particularly you'd like to address when we come back for the next session?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: The topic they requested mental illness.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: They said can you talk about mental illness?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: They wanted to know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Do so many of our friends and classmates suffer from anxiety, depression, gender dysphoria, cutting anorexia, even suicide?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: How come so many of our peers are talking about suicide?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You know, suicide rates among young people have now surpassed middle-aged men who had been the highest.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: What's going on with their hearts?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: They heard the culture's message, or lack of coherent message, loud and clear there is no truth beyond your truth or my truth.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: There's no meaning and purpose for your life beyond the one you invent for yourself.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So what happens?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: This is why, this age of stolen innocence, we cannot allow this to happen in the public schools.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: What are they trying to do?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Well, they sense in their pain.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: When they speak to me, when they speak to us as a team at the Joppa, when we touch their heart with prayer and with the gospel message and other ways, and then we allow them to speak, open up their hearts, well, they just tell you they're sensing in their pain that which mankind has known since the dawn of history.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: The human heart was made for more and it doesn't function well in a world void of meaning and purpose.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: See, when you steal the innocence of children, you're trying to take that away, that sense of God and this meaning in their hearts.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: But in the midst of their brokenness and we're all broken again one way or the other along comes some very good news the path to meaning and healing and hope, which leads to authentic life and profound happiness, can be found.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: First, know that there's a reason for your deep ache and your thirst for more.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Alexander Schultz and Nietzsche said Men have forgotten God.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Right, this is what's happening today, but we have a thirst there.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: We have to get in touch with it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: St Augustine counters with an important clue to the solution Our hearts are restless, lord, until they rest in you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: There's a message, there's a path that begins with your own restless heart.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Get in touch with your heart, both yours and now.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: There's also a restless heart of the Redeemer of man, jesus Christ, who comes into the story, searching for you.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, who comes into the story, searching for you.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: And the message, the path.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: It was amplified and developed for the subsequent 27 years of John Paul's leadership.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: That was his message.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: He says the path is the way of man.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: It's the way of you, man, meaning man and women, your heart, and it involves a proper understanding of your conscience of education of human dignity.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: What does it mean to be a human person, but at the heart of it all, at the heart of it, conscience of education of human dignity.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: What does it mean to be a human person, but at the heart of it all.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: At the heart of it all, it's a path of love.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It is the path of Christ and the saints.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It is a universal call to holiness and the sanctification of everyday life.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: In Redemptor Hominis, his first encyclical, he unpacks all this.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: So, at the end of the day, it's love people in the truth, speak the truth in love, know that this is Jesus Christ.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Let him pour himself into your heart.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Respond to that universal call to holiness and sanctification in your everyday life.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: This is why I brought up those Catholic families in the beginning.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: This is what they were doing.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: We're not perfect.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we're stumbling along, but we're led, not in the darkness now, we're led by the shepherd who turns around and always picks us back up and helps us through.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for Elon Musk.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: He's a genius on so many levels, I think, but he's certainly not a man without flaws and imperfections.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: But he's a seeker, and you got to respect a guy like this, a seeker and a doer.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: He has big desires, big appetites.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You know he's behind Tesla and SpaceX and Twitter now.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Well, in an interview some years ago with Rolling Stone, he said that he had a rough childhood.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: His parents divorced when he was nine.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He went on to live with his estranged father, who he called a terrible human being.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: He struggled all his life with loneliness, was mercilessly bullied when he was in school and he said when I was a child, there's one thing I never want to be alone.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But now he's been divorced three times.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: He had five sons from his first marriage.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: He has 11 children with three different women.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: He had five sons from his first marriage.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: He has 11 children with three different women.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: But Musk said if I'm not in love, if I'm not with a long-term companion, I can't be happy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He told Rolling Stone.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I will never be happy without having someone.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Going to sleep alone kills me.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: It's not like I don't know what it feels like being in a big empty house and the footsteps empty footsteps, right where they should be, with children running down.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's just empty.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And these empty footsteps right where they should be, with children running down.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: It's just empty.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And these empty footsteps are echoing through the hall.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: No one really there.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: No one on the pillow next to you.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: He swore effort.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: He said you know how do you make yourself happy in a situation like that?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't make yourself happy.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: You have to understand what love is right.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So my heart goes out to Elon, but can you see the disconnection?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: He can do so many things, he's a genius, but if God's not in his heart and the top, I mean really deep in his heart you lose the essence of love, what it means to love.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I think he wants to be that person of love In so many ways.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: He's such a good man, but he can't find it in his own life because he doesn't understand that you don't make yourself happy.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You have to give yourself away as a gift.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: But in order to give yourself away as a gift, first I have to be filled with that divine life and love.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Right Today he has his sights still set on Mars and he plans to permanently he said there's a 70% chance in his lifetime resettle on the red planet.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Musk said that his desire is to colonize Mars and it's driven by the same passion that fuels people to climb mountains.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Why, for the challenge?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yet everyone I know who climbs mountains is never satisfied.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It's always the next mountain, isn't it?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: And isn't that how Elon starts one business and goes on to the next?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't we all know people like that how Elon starts one business and goes on to the next.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't we all know people like that in our own lives though?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: If only I can get an A, a young person says, then I'll be happier.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Or make the sports team, or get accepted by this or that group, or get a new car or my latest phone, what if I can only get a job?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Then I'd be happy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: If only I get the boy that I dreamed of, or the girl would say yes to me, or that pair of jeans, then I'd be happy.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Then I'd feel the ache in my heart for something more.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: See, we live on this horizontal plane.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Well, john Paul II and the church would say what we're seeking at the end in fact right from the beginning and in the end is eternal glory, life and love, and we're only getting tastes of it here on earth.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: All those things could be good, right, a pair of jeans, a phone.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're all bad.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Get the boy, get the girl, but understand what to do with it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, elon walks into another relationship and he's trying to fill the infinite desires of his heart with finite people.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It's only when those finite people open themselves up to the infinite, take that into their heart, share that with one another, bring that into the world that we live the way human beings were created for right.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: All the cosmos was created good, and it's meant to be a sign.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You know, if you look around at nature John Paul would say this often go into nature and just pray, and nature itself will almost lift you into that prayer.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: You'll see the beauty of the sky, the clouds, et cetera, et cetera.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Small B beauty that leads us to big B beauty.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: God himself, the crowning sign of creation, the primordial sacrament is marriage and the family, meant to not only point us to God but, if properly understood, allows us to enter into God's co-creative act and participate in it, to bring new life into the world.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: What is Elon missing?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You know, zygmunt Krasinski, one of Poland's great poets, might say something like this Elon, sometimes an engineer and a scientist like you needs to listen to a poet like me.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: We must accept and acknowledge that of all the talents we possess, the greatest is that of humanity, what it means to be human.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: You see, if God asks us to give an account of how we use our various talents, elon, he will ask us from this point of view, how have we used that fundamental talent, the talent of humanity.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: This is the greatest talent, why?
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Because God himself paid for our humanity.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: The price that was paid reveals the meaning of humanity, the value of the work of art that is man.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: John Paul said you and I and everybody is a work of art, a masterpiece in God's eyes that he wants to bring you into this universal call to holiness.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: He wants to perfect, he wants to take this raw material of who you are and come with you so that you can form it, and he can help you form it right into this universal call to holiness, sanctification of life all around us.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: The price that was paid reveals that meaning.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Huh, john Paul II, also a poet, might add this.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Then, as Genesis has said it, all men and women are entrusted with the task of crafting their own life.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: We're free, in a certain sense, they are to make of it your life a work of art, a masterpiece as a person.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: The artist labors on various works of art, as well as the masterpiece of love and work that is himself.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: So, our brother Elon, I would say this Go to Mars, but don't be satisfied with Mars.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Why stop at a planet when eternal life, the whole of heaven, is our destination.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Elon, you want to go to Mars.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Why stop at a planet when eternal life, the whole of heaven, is our destination?
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Elon, you want to go to Mars.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: If you really are in touch with the earth, you want to go to heaven.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: The desire for this, for God, has written on the human heart, because God created us and man is created by God and for God and never ceases to be drawn to God himself.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And God pursues us, but God always waits in the wings, because God will never push himself on us.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: But it's only in God that we will find the truth and happiness that you never stop searching for.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I cannot make myself happy.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: You want to be happy.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: You want to open yourself up to the God who is truth and will bring you divine life and love and then pour that into others.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: You'll be happy as you give yourself away to others.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: It was St Augustine, a womanizer.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: As a young man who never married the mother of his son, a man of the world who was never satisfied, elon read St Augustine.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: He was always seeking, but one day he heard St Ambrose preach the gospel.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: It touched his heart and he proclaimed ah, you made us for yourself, oh Lord.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And our heart is restless until it rests in you.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk, like so many of his contemporaries in the so-called modern world, speak and dream now of transhumanism.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: See, they're looking for eternal life, but it's an illusion, of course.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yet another clue that, within the restless heart of man, is this yearning for eternal life.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: For us who wish to talk to Christ and to accept all the truth of his testimony, it is true that, on the one hand, you love the world, we love the world, we've been given the world, but not love the materialism, the consumerism, the sin in the world, because God also so loved the world that he gave his only son so that he might redeem it right.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: At the same time, you must acquire interior detachment with regard to all the rich and fascinating reality that makes up this world.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: In other words, you have to detach, you have to be able to say this is the temporal world reality that makes up this world.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: In other words, you have to detach, you have to be able to say this is the temporal world.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You must make up your mind to ask the question of eternal life, for the form of this world is passing away and each of us is subject to this passing.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Man is born, man and woman again, with the prospect of the day of his death and the dimension of the visible world.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: At the same time, mankind, whose interior reason for existence is to go beyond himself, also bears within himself everything that he goes beyond the world.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: We have it within us.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: We have it within us.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: We have to get in touch with that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: We have to open those desires to God himself.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: It's explained by the image and likeness of God which is inscribed in humanity from the very beginning.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Christianity teaches us to understand temporal existence from the perspective of the kingdom of God.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They're linked together.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: They're not telling two stories.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: When you came into the world, you're not delinked from eternal life.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: You are part of that and you're bringing eternal human beings into the world.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: You're not delinked from eternal life.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: You are part of that and you're bringing eternal human beings into the world if you're married and you have children.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Without eternal life, temporal existence, however rich, however highly developed in all its aspects, in the end brings mankind nothing other than the inelusible necessity of death.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: We're going to die, but don't be afraid of death.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Look at death as you go.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, there's an end to this.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I have to find the meaning and purpose and do this correctly, to answer that universal call to holiness.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Human experience left to itself says the same as sacred scripture it is appointed for men to die.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Once sacred scripture says, the inspired writer adds this and after that comes judgment, and Christ says I am the resurrection and the life.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: He who believes in me, though he die yet, shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, st Catherine of Siena, my beautiful sister, oh, my gosh, so passionate, so beautiful.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: She says this in Christ's blood we are made strong even through our weakness.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: We can see how this strength is gained, she said, since all our weakness is in the sensual side of us.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: So she says this.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: She's talking about our sensuality in here.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll read that again In Christ's blood we are made strong even though weakness persists in our sensuality.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: So I don't want to go too deep, I want to wrap this up.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: But you heard me talk about Eros, huh, this great desire that the ancients, even Plato and Aristotle, would go the search in the heart for all that's true, good and beautiful.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: But when it's twisted and distorted right, we start to look at women or men in our lives and other people, and money and power and we twist and distort it, and our sensuality is twisted and distorted and we begin to use one another instead of loving them.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Right, so we can see, she said, how the strength is gained, strength to overcome this, since all our weakness is mostly in the sensual side of us.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Right, this twisting of these great passions of the heart, this is Elon's heart.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: He's so close, he wants to find truth and wants to live this out.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: St Catherine says here, I am saying, is how we gain this glorious, virtuous strength and steady perseverance, since our reason right, our reason is always searching for the truth is made strong.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: How, in Christ's blood, we must drown ourselves in the sweet, glorious ransom we have been ransomed.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's in receiving this divine life and love that our reason starts to see the truth.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It seeks the truth and it sees it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: That way, our will can answer by choosing the good.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: What happens when we take that out?
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Our reason becomes very unreasonable.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: We see this again in this trans movement.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: You can't even speak to these people, unfortunately.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: They have a hardness of heart and it's really sad to see, because they have rejected God at the end, rejected God's plan, and so they get caught up in this evil.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: It's really something how it works.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: But just watch for this.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: So we've been ransomed from this with our mind's eye and by the light of most holy faith.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: St Catherine of Siena says we see it within the vessel of our own soul, in the knowledge that our being comes from God and that God created us anew to grace in the blood of his only begotten son, and in that blood we are freed from our weakness.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, look and be happy, she says, for you have been made a vessel that holds the blood of Christ crucified.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: He says for you have been made a vessel that holds the blood of Christ crucified, if you are but willing to taste it in the affection of love.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: This is where eros is, the sensual desire for all this true, good and beautiful, especially the beauty of love.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's all about love, love.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: But to understand what love is, we have to be filled with the actual person of love who redeems us, who untwists our hearts, so that our arrows, instead of being self-serving, become selfless to be given away.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Young people, you know that your life has meaning, john Paul would say, to the extent that it's given away as a sincere gift to others.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: John Paul would say to the extent that it's given away as a sincere gift to others.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: So ask Christ, like the young man in the gospel, what must I do to inherit eternal life?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Then turn your heart with all of its concerns, its dreams, but also its anxieties and worries.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Turn it all over, every moment, if you have to, to the sacred heart of Jesus Christ, the great physician of human hearts.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Well, goodbye everybody.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I'll talk to you again soon.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, please support us.
• 41:39
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• 41:45
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• 41:49
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• 41:50
  Speaker 1: We need to give this message of love to more and more young people.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: We're battling some great forces out there that are trying to take our children down, our marriages down, our families down, fight pornography and drag queen story hours and et cetera, et cetera.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm off to go pray the rosary with others in front of a local library.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: This is what we're called to do, huh, to step out into the arena and see what happens, huh.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: So God bless you.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, everyone.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Talk to you again soon.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.