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Speaker 1: Welcome to patri Get's Unfiltered. What if Shapiro's It's a deli?
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Speaker 1: know how Covid didn't get her. Brady screwed it up
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Speaker 1: by keep staying good, winning tables. Yeah, you know, like
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Speaker 1: getting care for it. You know, got that kind of
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Speaker 1: and just pushed it. No problem. Then you see the
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Speaker 1: other guys kind of sound effect. I was twenty years
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Speaker 1: in a row doing that thing. There's a plaque on
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Speaker 1: the webber grill, no doubt what I'm saying that, Like
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Speaker 1: little Paul Parola wearing Patriot forty pajamas, fanboy is really
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Speaker 1: upset with that potential Matt Jonal's trade to the Raiders.
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Speaker 1: If the Raiders are willing to offer the number seven pick. Nope,
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Speaker 1: into Patriots Unfiltered. Is deuced in the host chair today.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately Fred got boss man things to do. So it's
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Speaker 1: it's just the three guys. It's just three of us today.
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Speaker 1: Is he even in playing hookey? I think he's working.
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Speaker 1: I think he's definitely working. I saw him he was
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Speaker 1: doing stuff. But yeah, just us. The girls are off.
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Speaker 1: We gotta shout out Emma Green last day here, so
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Speaker 1: it in time. So um evans well remember yeah, all right,
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Speaker 1: there we go. Ah, so plenty on the docket today
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Speaker 1: because we got free agency. Come him up. Of course,
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Speaker 1: the huge resigning news this morning for the Patriots, which
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Speaker 1: which we'll jump into. Should we get into the big
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Speaker 1: Jets trade, we get Jets trade, uh, Jets release and
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Speaker 1: a Jets trade sounds like they're putting their ducks in
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Speaker 1: a row. Yeah, I'm annoyed. About Adam Schefter, just what
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Speaker 1: was how many times is he gonna do that? Not
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Speaker 1: the trade he thought it was like he did the
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Speaker 1: same thing during the season about something I forget now,
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Speaker 1: but that's his little trademarks. Stick doesn't work, Yeah, doesn't work.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't Anyway, The Jets made a trade for like Chuck Clark,
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Speaker 1: which is I think a good, good, good trade for them.
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Speaker 1: Tough guy. They had some depth at safety, so there
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Speaker 1: give up a seventh round pick for him something like
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Speaker 1: that for a guy who can start. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: and let the the Braxton Barrios hype train begins. It's
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Speaker 1: gotta be tough on the train you take them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think if you're gonna if Jacoby
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Speaker 1: walks in free agency, just adding another body too that
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Speaker 1: can play the slot role is not a bad idea.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's the answer, but it's just adding
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Speaker 1: another guy that can come in and compete for some
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Speaker 1: snaps there. I'll say this ringing endorsement. I would much
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Speaker 1: rather have Braxon Barrios than Slay both. Yeah, that's true,
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Speaker 1: but we can run. Yeah, we were diving a little
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Speaker 1: bit into into Barrios Um and Paul I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you don't remember. I don't know how he looked
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Speaker 1: him what eighteen and then I'm nineteen was the second
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Speaker 1: year here, I think, and basically got beat out by Jacobe.
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Speaker 1: I guess would would Gunnar? He had some and Gunner
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Speaker 1: that's a good one too. Was hurt a lot too.
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Speaker 1: He's banged up in that first year. I mean that
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Speaker 1: Miami kid. Who's that Miami kid's name? Oh the uh? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Fred loved him? What was Jeff Thomas? Yes? Oh god, yes,
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Speaker 1: everybody loved him another one. Yeah, Fred was all aboard
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Speaker 1: that hype train too. He kept calling him like Jeff
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Speaker 1: something else, the entire Patriots Twitter, Jeff Antonio Brown, Thomas, Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: so fast right seven's. I know Fred likes to think like, well,
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Speaker 1: how do you come up with these? Girl? How do
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Speaker 1: you reb Yeah? This validation. This at least one other
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Speaker 1: person that remembers the hype, you know, for a guy
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Speaker 1: that was like, you know, did even make it into camp,
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Speaker 1: Like I feel like we didn't even really see him.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he ever got in uniform. And and
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Speaker 1: then he also he's been bouncing around us one of
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Speaker 1: those and he's not even an impact player in that league.
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Speaker 1: It's disappointing. I had really high hopes to who a
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Speaker 1: friend told us about him. Of course, the Patriots, I was,
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Speaker 1: I was being a little facetious at the top. They
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Speaker 1: did resign James Ferns, who I guess this would. He's
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Speaker 1: been with the Patriots last five years, has filled in
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Speaker 1: a bunch three starts last year. So you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't people get worked up about these ones. I'm just like, dude,
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Speaker 1: this is just there are people on Twitter, Paul, I'm
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Speaker 1: surprised you didn't see him that you know. Oh, if
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Speaker 1: they're gonna keep doing it this way, I was like,
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Speaker 1: these are just like housekeeping things to make sure that
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Speaker 1: you have a football debt, Like I mean your offensive line.
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Speaker 1: There's a guy that they know can play all three spots,
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Speaker 1: and you know if you know, in a storm, you
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Speaker 1: can put him in and he won't, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: cause it to completely collapse. Is he gonna get the
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Speaker 1: job done? You know in peccably? No, but it's not
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Speaker 1: going to completely collapse on you. Yeah, that's wrong with
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Speaker 1: having guys like that. Definitely has some maybe future coach
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Speaker 1: potential as well in him too. Family of coach that
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Speaker 1: last name. I know he helped a lot last year
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Speaker 1: in that department with the staff being what it was,
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Speaker 1: and he was someone that was involved a little bit
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Speaker 1: staff being what it was. Well, I go, I mean,
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Speaker 1: in a little bit of an interesting deep dive. His
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Speaker 1: dad was one of the originators of the wide zone
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Speaker 1: and bringing that you know, from college into the pros
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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, from the pros to college actually, because
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Speaker 1: I think Pittsburgh was the first one to really kind
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Speaker 1: of start it, and then he was among the first
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Speaker 1: in the late seventies early eighties I think, to kind
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Speaker 1: of bring it to the NFL. So when we were
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Speaker 1: also obsessed with wide zone last year, I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: deference is there. I mean, he should know so, so
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Speaker 1: I guess serves serves to to the point. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: in a in a perfect world, a guy like Chason
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Speaker 1: Hines last year, who we didn't get to see a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of um or you know, Cody Cody run. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know those guys in year two are
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Speaker 1: to the point where they're more attractive candidates to fill
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Speaker 1: the back up interior roles. Yeah. Right, and then you
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Speaker 1: can do what you've done countless times to ferns and
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Speaker 1: let them go and probably be pretty comfortable with the
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Speaker 1: ability to bring them back if you need to. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think Jason Hines is a good one. I mean
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Speaker 1: he um kind of like body type on when you
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Speaker 1: kind of more of a thicker guard like that, kind
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Speaker 1: of a little bit more of a size, but with
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Speaker 1: on when you be in a free agent. I thought,
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Speaker 1: I thought that's an interesting you know, as you approach
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Speaker 1: the draft, we're talking about some interior guys, did they
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Speaker 1: take a flyer you know, on an interior developmental guy
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Speaker 1: if they don't really if they're not that high on
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Speaker 1: Hines to you know, potentially ensure if and when you
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Speaker 1: were to leave. So, I mean it's you know, it's
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Speaker 1: another one of those like little draft things where you're like, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they could see them grabbing one of those guys that
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Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be great though. And they have eleven picks, right,
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Speaker 1: eleven picks projected. Yeah, we haven't gotten the official yeah
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Speaker 1: projected again, don't know for sure about the comp pics,
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Speaker 1: but with eleven picks, you're gonna pick two or three
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Speaker 1: offensive linemen. Yeah, So that's the way it should work.
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Speaker 1: And rather than and I know I rant on this
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Speaker 1: all the time. But rather than you know, a big
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Speaker 1: money extension for Shaq Mason in a franchise tack for
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Speaker 1: Joe Toney, who were both excellent players. Michael, when you
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Speaker 1: I think is an excellent player, he does a really
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Speaker 1: good job. But like you would ideally be able to
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Speaker 1: let those guys walk because you have I mean, when
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Speaker 1: you was a sixth round pick. Chason Hines I think
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Speaker 1: was a sixth round pick two, right, yeah, hopefully he
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Speaker 1: you know, shows the ability. Now, I'm not saying that
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Speaker 1: all you guys. Look, there's a lot of Corey Hilliards
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Speaker 1: in Clint Oldenburgs that get drafted down there that don't
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Speaker 1: ever come in in the NFL, right John Halapio, Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: although he did actually stick in the NFL with the Giants. Here,
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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that every offensive mor you're taking the fifth, sixth,
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Speaker 1: and seventh round is a potential Michael all when you
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Speaker 1: know that's a high end hit, Michael, A win you
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Speaker 1: in the sixth round. But you got to hope that
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Speaker 1: Chason Hines is at least or someone like that. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be him specifically, do you remember, though,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and then fill in and then when you
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Speaker 1: was gosh, that's starting to blend together. He was twenty twenty. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Weird camp, of course, but I just remember
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Speaker 1: instantly you could just kind of tell I think this
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Speaker 1: guy can play. They're moving him around a little bit.
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Speaker 1: He just seems to be out there with the top
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Speaker 1: group a lot, like, well, that's what you can do.
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Speaker 1: Early on it seemed like yeah, I mean until you
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Speaker 1: get the one on ones and it's so funny, like
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Speaker 1: you watch and you're just like, whoa so, And we
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Speaker 1: always have our phraseology to keep us out of trouble
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Speaker 1: in terms of don't talk about starters and whatnot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's in a group that included David Andrews, and you
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Speaker 1: know what about um, so you saw him out there
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Speaker 1: getting high end reps. And then you know the flip
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Speaker 1: side of that would be Ronnie Perkins, who for two
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Speaker 1: training camps I don't think is taking more than five
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Speaker 1: reps with anybody that you would ever have heard of.
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Speaker 1: So in your mind you're like, well, this guy's having
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Speaker 1: a really good camp. This guy's having a bad camp.
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Speaker 1: But in reality, you're just basing it on who they're
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Speaker 1: playing with. Yeah, Marnie Perkins, h what did you think
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Speaker 1: of him coming out? Him coming out? But I wasn't
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure about his fit in a three four.
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Speaker 1: He was an even front defensive end, hand in the
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Speaker 1: dirt kind of guy for three end and then they
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Speaker 1: brought him here and they wanted to transition him to
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Speaker 1: a stand up outside linebacker, which has been the goal.
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Speaker 1: And that's a little bit of a transition to be
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Speaker 1: up on your feet versus with your hand in the dirt.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's necessarily gone swimmingly in that
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Speaker 1: sense of it. I think it's hurt. Yeah, that hasn't helped.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean you would like to think
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Speaker 1: kind of along Paul's point, with josh Uja coming up
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Speaker 1: and Anthony Jennings coming up in that class coming up,
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Speaker 1: that a guy like Ronnie Perkins, if you don't want
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Speaker 1: to over extend to bring josh Uja back, then Ronnie
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Speaker 1: Perkins is supposed to be a top one hundred guy.
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Speaker 1: That's the next guy in line to bring that, you know, position,
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Speaker 1: that next wave at that position. So I think that
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Speaker 1: the bummer that if you're a Patriots fan right now,
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Speaker 1: and this is sort of I think a good way
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Speaker 1: to putting it is that they used to be able
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Speaker 1: to be a year ahead of these types of things,
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Speaker 1: but now they have so many in knee immediate holes
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Speaker 1: on the roster that they can't take a first round
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Speaker 1: edge to be a year ahead of Judon and uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, j and Jennings and those guys going being
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Speaker 1: in contract years and Judon maybe getting up there in age.
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Speaker 1: You can't do that anymore because you need a left
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Speaker 1: tackle to play tomorrow, you know. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: just where they're at. And back in the past, I
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Speaker 1: hear that a lot of oh, well, why aren't the
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Speaker 1: Patriots a year ahead of things anymore like they used
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Speaker 1: to be, And I think it's because they have too
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Speaker 1: many holes in the immediate to be planning for the
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Speaker 1: future like that. But yeah, and that, and that's what
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Speaker 1: the difference was. And I totally agree with Evans's entire
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Speaker 1: assessment there is when it was going at its best,
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Speaker 1: when the when the when the program was operating at
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Speaker 1: its peak efficiency, that's what it was. It was We're
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Speaker 1: going to draft Nate's soldier in the first round knowing
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Speaker 1: that Matt Light is still going to be here and
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Speaker 1: we can take our time inserting. Yeah, Nate's Solder into study.
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Speaker 1: Now he ended up playing a lot because I think
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Speaker 1: that was the sc Bass got hurt. Yeah, he played
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Speaker 1: right tackle, so he ended up playing a lot anyway,
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Speaker 1: But the you know, the idea is my first round
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Speaker 1: pick might be the third tackle this year. And that's
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Speaker 1: okay because I'm good and when I you know, when
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Speaker 1: I'm drafting like that. And then you went to that gap,
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Speaker 1: you know, from whatever was seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty didn't
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Speaker 1: get a lot of you know, high impact players out
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Speaker 1: of those drafts. Those are the guys that should be
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Speaker 1: playing big roles. And now I think you did have
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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of players out of twenty you
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Speaker 1: get Dugger and Jay And when you those guys are
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Speaker 1: coming up, now it's quick, it's you know, it happens fast.
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Speaker 1: So you have to figure out is it going to
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Speaker 1: be like it was back in the first part of
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Speaker 1: the dynasty or the second part of the dynasty when
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Speaker 1: you had trouble replacing those guys. Yeah, you brought up
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Speaker 1: you know, Volmer and Solder and the transitions at tackle,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's something that that Evan and I
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Speaker 1: were talking about we just by the way, we're doing
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Speaker 1: new mock drafts. We did a video and and everything,
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Speaker 1: but we were you know, I think that's what we're
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out. Is the first piece of it
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Speaker 1: is what is Trump Brown? You know? Is Trump Brown?
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Speaker 1: Left tackle? It's Trump Brown? And right tackle? Is Trump Brown?
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Speaker 1: Headed out of town? The second part of it is
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Speaker 1: do you hit free agency? Do you you know? Do
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Speaker 1: you do you invest big money in one of these
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Speaker 1: guys that's on the market, And we've talked about plenty
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Speaker 1: of those. And then lastly, you'll get to the draft
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Speaker 1: and how do you you know, you said you drafted
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Speaker 1: a guy who might be the third tackle in the
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Speaker 1: first round. You know, this year, if you're taking a
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Speaker 1: tackle in the first round, you don't have that luxury.
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Speaker 1: You might have to put him right into the mix.
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Speaker 1: So I think that that's the you know, the problem.
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Speaker 1: It feels like a math problem that you're trying to
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Speaker 1: solve with all those different issues, and where are we
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Speaker 1: going to end up? Is it going to be you know,
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Speaker 1: Trump Brown and left with another veteran on the right,
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Speaker 1: and hey, we've got a rookie that we took in
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Speaker 1: the third round that's maybe going to develop or is
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Speaker 1: it all new tackles. You know, it's a new guy
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Speaker 1: that we sign a free agency on the right and
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Speaker 1: we draft a left tackle. There's just so many options
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Speaker 1: right now, and I think that's the really one of
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Speaker 1: the key pieces of it. Even though, as I said
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Speaker 1: on the show, I'm not you know, oh God, they've
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Speaker 1: got to fix that. I think they need tackles and
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Speaker 1: they need to address the position, But I don't feel
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Speaker 1: like that that's like the biggest problem that they need
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Speaker 1: to get right. I think no matter what they do,
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Speaker 1: they'll be able to get at least okay play that
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Speaker 1: they can win with if they had the right pieces
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Speaker 1: at receiver, on the defensive side of the ball, etc.
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Speaker 1: I just think you worry about a guy like Roderick Jones,
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Speaker 1: for example. To put some names out there, Brodert Jones
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Speaker 1: got nineteen career starts at Georgia. He's not somebody that
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Speaker 1: has a ton of experience playing football. And if you're
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Speaker 1: thinking about drafting a guy in the first round that
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Speaker 1: needs to play immediately, like That's why I think they gravitate,
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Speaker 1: especially in the trenches, to those Senior Bowl guys, is
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Speaker 1: because those guys are four year players in college. They've
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Speaker 1: made thirty plus, you know, starts, like a guy like Scarronsky,
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Speaker 1: I think has thirty nine starts under his belt, and
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Speaker 1: you're coming in with a little bit more seasoning. Brodert
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Speaker 1: Jones is a freak athlete, great in space, you know,
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Speaker 1: just one of those guys that pops off the film
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Speaker 1: at you. But he's a little bit of a project.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna take some developing and if you're going to
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Speaker 1: put him right into the starting lineup, then that might
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Speaker 1: be a bumpy rookie season for him. So a guy
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Speaker 1: like Scarronsky, a guy like Anton Harrison, some of these
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Speaker 1: guys that have played Darnell Wright a senior Bowl guy.
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Speaker 1: The guys that have been in it for a while now,
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Speaker 1: I think are where they tend to gravitate towards in
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Speaker 1: that position. Cold strange senior Bowl guy. You know. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that they're going to look at these guys
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Speaker 1: that just don't have a ton of starts under their
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Speaker 1: belt to then go immediately play as rookies. I could
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Speaker 1: be totally off with that, but that's just the sense
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Speaker 1: that I get from them. With Lyneman, especially if they
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Speaker 1: want grown men at lyneman, Like they don't want guys
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Speaker 1: that you know, are still filling out or still have
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Speaker 1: a lot of technical flaw or something like that. They're
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Speaker 1: going to take a lineman early. It's going to be
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Speaker 1: a guy that's been there and done it. You know
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Speaker 1: what was interesting to me, I think we mentioned when
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Speaker 1: we were in Indie we had had a couple of
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Speaker 1: beers with sea bass, which was just super fun. It
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Speaker 1: was interesting though he said to me. He was like,
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Speaker 1: I think Solder was almost too tall, too tall to play,
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Speaker 1: which is something I had never heard. And he said,
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Speaker 1: you know, just he had real trouble at times with
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Speaker 1: guys getting underneath him. So, you know, just interesting little bits.
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Speaker 1: And again, you know, he talked about the arm length
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Speaker 1: thing that he didn't really see when it would matter
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Speaker 1: other than when he said Jason Pierre Paul, which I
14:57
Speaker 1: think we all remember that he was quite the handful
15:00
Speaker 1: forty six, but just tough, tough decisions. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think we'll get a lot of clarity next week,
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Speaker 1: not maybe not clarity, but at least a direction of
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Speaker 1: where they're going to go or kind of like I
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Speaker 1: am curious to see if they have anybody you know,
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Speaker 1: like there the year that it was to find Gilmore
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Speaker 1: as an example, um, you know, immediate bang um, or
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Speaker 1: if it's sort of more like last year where it's
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Speaker 1: quiet and then you know some secondary guys you know
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Speaker 1: Terrence Mitchell, Yeah, you know, it was one of the
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Speaker 1: first guys I remember last year. So I'm curious to
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Speaker 1: see if we can if they tip their hand as
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Speaker 1: to what exactly the approach will be, because I think
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Speaker 1: they could go in a number like that. When you're
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Speaker 1: you were talking about all the tackles, Evan, do you
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Speaker 1: think you know, do you guys think free agency, you know,
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Speaker 1: like a Mike McGlinchey is a realistic possibility. Yeah, I do.
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Speaker 1: I think that I to go off like this to
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Speaker 1: find Gilmore thing. I have a couple guys in mind
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Speaker 1: that I think fit that mold that that might happen. Now.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about McGlinchey because his play has seemed
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Speaker 1: to decline a little bit over the last couple of years,
16:10
Speaker 1: and I think they would much rather invest in a
16:12
Speaker 1: guy that's going up instead of you know, kind of
16:14
Speaker 1: leveling out or going down to take that Stefan Gilmour, right,
16:19
Speaker 1: is somebody that's going to get better over the life
16:21
Speaker 1: of the contract that they're giving him. So I look
16:23
Speaker 1: at Caleb McGarry, who just came off a great year
16:25
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Juwan Taylor the Jaguars right tackle. But I
16:28
Speaker 1: think a lot of these guys are right tackles. I
16:31
Speaker 1: don't Orlando Brown's really the only prize on that's gonna
16:36
Speaker 1: play left side. So that's the big thing with our
16:39
Speaker 1: mock draft was I really feel like if they're going
16:42
Speaker 1: to sure up one side of it, it's probably gonna
16:45
Speaker 1: be right tackle, whether it's flipping Trent back to the
16:48
Speaker 1: right side or rolling with you know, Trent and McDermott
16:52
Speaker 1: over there on the right side, or maybe they sign
16:54
Speaker 1: one of these tackles. But the one guy that I
16:57
Speaker 1: was mentioning it upstairs a little bit, I think that
17:00
Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour type signing, and it does so happen to
17:03
Speaker 1: be another bill and it's Tremaine Edmonds. Like I just
17:05
Speaker 1: feel like he's the type of guy that fits that
17:08
Speaker 1: mold to a t, that checks every single box that
17:10
Speaker 1: they could ever ask for for a linebacker. It's a
17:13
Speaker 1: position that they have not really fully gone all in on.
17:17
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say fixing, but at least upgrading. And he
17:20
Speaker 1: put him next to Bentley, who's just a steady workhorse
17:23
Speaker 1: where you know where he's supposed to be when he's
17:25
Speaker 1: supposed to be there, and how you have a fire
17:28
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that can just fly around the
17:29
Speaker 1: field and do some freakish things. I could definitely see them. Yeah,
17:34
Speaker 1: and I like him. But you know, Roquan Smith eighteen
17:38
Speaker 1: million right with Baltimore, you're looking at like twenty million.
17:43
Speaker 1: Yeah for Tremaine Edmonds. Is that something that I personally don't.
17:47
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's something that Yeah, I love
17:51
Speaker 1: the play, right, I feel anything to say against what
17:53
Speaker 1: you said, I think. I mean it's everything I kind of,
17:56
Speaker 1: you know, think this defense needs along with the shutdown
17:58
Speaker 1: corners just and it's a little bit more instinctual middle linebacker.
18:01
Speaker 1: Who can you know, deal with the mobile quarterbacks. I
18:03
Speaker 1: think that's when they struggle the most. I love it
18:06
Speaker 1: on paper, It's just like man like and I hate
18:09
Speaker 1: to do this. It's like, well, they got Bentley, they
18:11
Speaker 1: just signed to V I think that's what they like.
18:13
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're gonna stick with. But I
18:15
Speaker 1: mean I'd be all for it. I just think that
18:17
Speaker 1: those two guys are exactly who you'd want to pair
18:20
Speaker 1: with the guy like tremade Edmonds, because you can say
18:22
Speaker 1: to Tremade Edmunds, just go get the ball, right, like
18:25
Speaker 1: just you just follow the ball, because Bentley and Tavai
18:28
Speaker 1: are going to play the do your job defense right
18:30
Speaker 1: like they're gonna do that side of it. So you
18:32
Speaker 1: put to Tovai and Bentley and Edmund's out there together,
18:36
Speaker 1: and Edmonds, now all of a sudden, is almost just
18:37
Speaker 1: a free player that can just fly around and hit
18:40
Speaker 1: hit whatever he sees right and and go and get
18:43
Speaker 1: the football. So I don't know, I just I look
18:45
Speaker 1: at that and another guy that was a high draft
18:48
Speaker 1: pick tested through the roof at the combine checks a
18:50
Speaker 1: lot of the same boxes that Stefan Gilmour did, and
18:53
Speaker 1: I think that maybe they look at him and say,
18:55
Speaker 1: the Bill's got a ton out of him. Don't get
18:57
Speaker 1: me wrong, but here we know exactly how we're going
19:00
Speaker 1: to use him, and maybe we can really get that
19:03
Speaker 1: all pro potential out of him and that next step.
19:05
Speaker 1: So snarky Paul, yeah, you know, sort of made an
19:08
Speaker 1: appearance in his own head yesterday at Yeah, I mean
19:12
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on Twitter, and I and I saw like
19:14
Speaker 1: there was m I forget where it emanated, but out
19:17
Speaker 1: of Buffalo, it certainly looks like Edmunds and Poyer are
19:21
Speaker 1: going to be available. Like I think that Buffalo is
19:24
Speaker 1: to the point where I think that they realize that
19:26
Speaker 1: they're probably not gonna be able to retain them. Now,
19:28
Speaker 1: to me, Edmonds is the much more interesting guy because
19:31
Speaker 1: of age. I think Poier is a great player, but
19:34
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's on the other side of thirty. Um.
19:36
Speaker 1: Edmunds is in his prime. And uh, you know, I'm
19:40
Speaker 1: reading you know, sort of Patriots Twitter and and I'm
19:43
Speaker 1: not assigning it to anybody because I'm gonna be honest.
19:47
Speaker 1: I've talked to you guys about this. I have random
19:49
Speaker 1: people that pop up on my timeline all the time
19:52
Speaker 1: who I don't know who they are, So my guesses
19:54
Speaker 1: they get there because other people who I do follow
19:56
Speaker 1: like it or retweet it or something like algorith Right,
20:00
Speaker 1: So that's the way it works. And I saw three
20:03
Speaker 1: or four different things. Huh, it's all coming apart. Oh,
20:06
Speaker 1: they lost their defensive coordinate. And I'm thinking to myself,
20:10
Speaker 1: for the last five years, all I've heard is Buffalo
20:12
Speaker 1: is choking dogs and their defense sucks. They can't stop
20:16
Speaker 1: the run, they can't come up big in a big spot,
20:19
Speaker 1: they can't win a big game in the playoffs. But
20:23
Speaker 1: now two of their players on defense are available in
20:26
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinators out and this is the time for
20:27
Speaker 1: the Patriots the bounce, like you can't have it both ways.
20:31
Speaker 1: They don't suck, and then you want the players, Like
20:35
Speaker 1: one of those things has to be wrong, right, I mean,
20:37
Speaker 1: I would say I want there now. I would take
20:38
Speaker 1: Tremen Emmons as a player. I don't think he sucks.
20:41
Speaker 1: Let maybe on record to say that I think he's
20:43
Speaker 1: a good player, and putting my Patriots fan on I'm like, oh,
20:46
Speaker 1: thank god, this is kind of like breaking up because
20:47
Speaker 1: we haven't been able to solve this defense. I mean
20:49
Speaker 1: the right, but you didn't spend the last five years
20:51
Speaker 1: telling me how much they sucked, which is what a
20:53
Speaker 1: lot of Patriots fans do. I will say this about
20:56
Speaker 1: Buffalo though there and I'm not going salary cap, but
20:59
Speaker 1: like they have to churn out some of these guys, right,
21:02
Speaker 1: and they have to replenish some of it. And now
21:05
Speaker 1: I think you do learn if you're Buffalo. How hard
21:08
Speaker 1: sustainability is not just and I know they haven't even
21:11
Speaker 1: want anything yet, but just in terms of always being
21:13
Speaker 1: a contender and always being at the I think John
21:15
Speaker 1: I will say the same thing that I'll say I
21:17
Speaker 1: said about the Patriots. As long as Brady's healthy, the
21:20
Speaker 1: Patriots will always be relevant. As long as Alan is healthy,
21:23
Speaker 1: the Bills will always be right. I'm right now. I'm
21:25
Speaker 1: not telling you they're gonna win the super Bowl. Like
21:27
Speaker 1: Brady made you win the super Bowl six times, that's
21:30
Speaker 1: like incredible, But when he wasn't healthy, you didn't make
21:34
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Those margin desert those margins though, sometimes in
21:38
Speaker 1: the playoffs, when they're going up against Kansas City or
21:40
Speaker 1: they're going up against Cincinnati, losing guys like Tremaine Edmunds
21:43
Speaker 1: and then not being able to draft a viable replacement
21:46
Speaker 1: for Tremaine Edmonds, that those are the things that can
21:48
Speaker 1: kind of sneak up on you in a playoffs. And
21:50
Speaker 1: I'll give you another exam. They thought they made a
21:53
Speaker 1: couple of those individual moves that were going to help
21:55
Speaker 1: them get over the hump. Right, They signed a guy
21:59
Speaker 1: like Jay kras who not Jay Crowder, Jamison Jamison Crowder
22:03
Speaker 1: basketball player. Ye, Jamison Crowder, you know, to to sort
22:08
Speaker 1: of fill, you know, a very specific role Von Miller,
22:11
Speaker 1: to fill a very specific They didn't have those guys
22:14
Speaker 1: right when accounted. When the playoffs came, they were both
22:16
Speaker 1: injured and out and any kind of impact that they
22:20
Speaker 1: were going to make to get them over the hump.
22:23
Speaker 1: That that's how hard it is, like to Evans point
22:25
Speaker 1: on the margins, like, I agree, I don't. I'm not
22:29
Speaker 1: a salary cap guy, as everybody knows. But that doesn't
22:32
Speaker 1: mean you can just keep resigning every player. At some
22:34
Speaker 1: point you run out of money. Yeah, not cap space money.
22:38
Speaker 1: And if it's going to cost you twenty million dollars
22:41
Speaker 1: per year in money to sign a guy, that's gonna
22:45
Speaker 1: be hard to do. Like not these owners don't all
22:49
Speaker 1: just have bottomless pockets. Yeah, And that was and Brandon
22:52
Speaker 1: Bean spoke at the combine and I just acknowledged everything
22:54
Speaker 1: that we're saying. He's like, look, we understand we're going
22:56
Speaker 1: to be a little bit up against it the next
22:58
Speaker 1: couple of years, and you know we're taking measures to
23:00
Speaker 1: to do it. It's I mean, but I think you're right.
23:02
Speaker 1: It's about Allen, and it's about you know, evolving and
23:04
Speaker 1: finding those pieces. I mean, we know the Patriots went
23:06
Speaker 1: ten years in between Super Bowls trying to like turn
23:08
Speaker 1: things over and find new pieces. Even with Tom Brady.
23:11
Speaker 1: I mean, they were certainly right there, but it's a
23:13
Speaker 1: big difference, like to your point, Evan, of like being
23:15
Speaker 1: there but actually getting to the top of the people
23:17
Speaker 1: forget because they was so good like that ten years
23:21
Speaker 1: that they went without a Super Bowl. They were in
23:22
Speaker 1: contention every year except for the year that Brady was hurt, right,
23:25
Speaker 1: So they were right there every year. But it was like,
23:29
Speaker 1: you know, the O seven team, Like comparing the O
23:32
Speaker 1: seven team and the O six team is like apples
23:34
Speaker 1: and oranges. Both of them. Both of them won a
23:37
Speaker 1: lot of games, both of them were very good, and
23:39
Speaker 1: both of them went deep into the playoffs. But the
23:41
Speaker 1: O seven team would have squashed the O six team, right,
23:45
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of talent, And that's what like
23:47
Speaker 1: Buffalo's team probably last year would have squashed the team
23:51
Speaker 1: this year. They weren't as good, like it just the
23:54
Speaker 1: way it worked out, they weren't. They weren't quite as talented,
23:57
Speaker 1: and that happens. But they were both very good. Yeah,
24:00
Speaker 1: and I think again, there's not aus that quarterback is healthy.
24:02
Speaker 1: They're going to be relevant. I also think it's crazy
24:05
Speaker 1: with Buffalo that you see so many of their guys
24:07
Speaker 1: talking about receivers at the top of the draft to
24:10
Speaker 1: get that one beat is to fond Diggs. And I'm
24:13
Speaker 1: just thinking, yeah, absolutely, And I'm just thinking to myself,
24:18
Speaker 1: can we just get us to find Diggs? Like you guys,
24:20
Speaker 1: you guys, yeah, you guys want you guys want to like,
24:24
Speaker 1: come on, you know, they all so many the great
24:28
Speaker 1: guys that cover one some of the other guys have
24:30
Speaker 1: to cover the bills. I actually really like those guys
24:32
Speaker 1: and Uh as much as we like to rip each
24:34
Speaker 1: other about about the Patriots and the Bills, but they're
24:37
Speaker 1: all mocking, you know, Zay Flowers, Josh Downs now Addison
24:41
Speaker 1: might Fall and they're all when you say mocking, you're
24:44
Speaker 1: saying mocking to the Bills. You're not mad at no.
24:50
Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking to my you want you want more,
24:55
Speaker 1: like you want more help for the course like this
24:57
Speaker 1: is just but yeah, that's that's the mindset nowadays. As
25:00
Speaker 1: they show Naim Hines returning the kickoffer touchdown, guess what
25:06
Speaker 1: was the number one playoff? Well, they have Micah Hyde
25:09
Speaker 1: is Bills and my boy Kyle Brandt. He somehow has
25:14
Speaker 1: like become Bills fan, like one bet, I don't get
25:16
Speaker 1: why he's all over them. I gotta I have to
25:18
Speaker 1: shoot him the text and be like can you please
25:19
Speaker 1: please stop? Can you? Yeah? And the other part of
25:22
Speaker 1: the division that we really we kind of alluded to
25:25
Speaker 1: it with Schefter being a smartass today um with a
25:29
Speaker 1: trade for the Jets coming up. Well, I mean it
25:31
Speaker 1: seems like based on the reporting that that meeting went
25:34
Speaker 1: reasonably well with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets brass and
25:38
Speaker 1: as Evan put it, yesterday or tuesday, you know, playing
25:41
Speaker 1: footsie with Woody Johnson. I think you said the table
25:45
Speaker 1: under the table in the dark room. I think Diana
25:48
Speaker 1: was seen today for ESPN had a series of tweets
25:52
Speaker 1: indicating that it seems like it's progressing and going. It
25:57
Speaker 1: look looks like it's going to happen. Now, if it
26:00
Speaker 1: was Schefter, I would say, oh, I do not have
26:03
Speaker 1: the same faith in the reporting for others at ESPN
26:06
Speaker 1: that I do with Schefter, So I'll believe it when
26:09
Speaker 1: I see it, but that this is I mean this
26:11
Speaker 1: this could be a significant problem. And I'm not even
26:14
Speaker 1: talking about Brady in Miami. I'm just saying, if if
26:17
Speaker 1: it's TWA in Miami, you haven't beaten him in four tries.
26:21
Speaker 1: You haven't beaten the Bills consistently when it's not a
26:23
Speaker 1: gale force wind. And now if you're gonna put Aaron
26:26
Speaker 1: Rodgers with the Jets two games that last year with
26:29
Speaker 1: tractor pulls, with the worst quarterback on the other team
26:32
Speaker 1: that you could possibly imagine you, I mean, you're projected
26:37
Speaker 1: as the last place team in the division. And with
26:38
Speaker 1: Chuck Clark, which I mean they just traded for him
26:41
Speaker 1: as well, Like you know, I mean not that he's
26:42
Speaker 1: gonna but they're they're making moves. And I just I
26:45
Speaker 1: would pose the question that I hinted at last Tuesday
26:48
Speaker 1: when this when this Aaron Rodgers stuff first came, is
26:51
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're Robert Kraft and you're
26:54
Speaker 1: watching the Jets make this kind of move, do you
26:57
Speaker 1: feel like I and I you know, this is when
26:59
Speaker 1: we get into like the drama of like do you
27:00
Speaker 1: feel like the Patriots need to respond? And I hate
27:02
Speaker 1: like winning free agency and all that kind of stuff,
27:05
Speaker 1: but in some ways, and like this might be a
27:08
Speaker 1: little bit off track, but just watching this kickoff return,
27:12
Speaker 1: like I always felt during the Patriots dynasty, there was
27:14
Speaker 1: like these special moments that would happen, like you know,
27:16
Speaker 1: Doug Flutie's drought kick, you know, like these little like
27:18
Speaker 1: historical weird things out that's one that comes to mind. Sorry,
27:23
Speaker 1: but but the meaning was playing a game they were
27:25
Speaker 1: trying to lose, but little historical things win streaks, you know,
27:28
Speaker 1: like twenty games, but but just like little but little
27:32
Speaker 1: historical but there's what happened within the game that you'd
27:36
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, like they just broke another
27:37
Speaker 1: record like this. Yeah, and I brought up the Flutey
27:40
Speaker 1: one just because it wasn't like a historical thing, but
27:42
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh that's kind of a cool
27:44
Speaker 1: historical moment, and it's just the beat goes on for
27:46
Speaker 1: the Patriots right now. That kickoff return felt like the
27:50
Speaker 1: completely flipped and now the special magical moment is kind
27:54
Speaker 1: of happening for the other team and we're just kind
27:56
Speaker 1: of the road kill that gets you want to continue
27:58
Speaker 1: with that, like you know and talk about like special
28:01
Speaker 1: moments period. It's like the Miami miracle, the lateral with
28:06
Speaker 1: the Raiders, the two kickoff returns, like they're starting to
28:10
Speaker 1: pile up against you. Yes, yes, and you used to
28:13
Speaker 1: be the team that blocked the punt, not got the
28:16
Speaker 1: punts blocked like the little bit of magic. I mean,
28:18
Speaker 1: you're just like, you can't tell me that Buffalo returning
28:21
Speaker 1: the kick after everything that DeMar happened with Damar Hamlin,
28:25
Speaker 1: all the questions of are they gonna play this game?
28:27
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just one of that that's one of
28:29
Speaker 1: the most craziest moments in NFL history right there, based
28:32
Speaker 1: on everything that had happened and the great points though, Paul,
28:34
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, it's just and it's and I
28:36
Speaker 1: don't want to tie it back to Aaron Rodgers a
28:39
Speaker 1: little bit of just you know, it's like again like
28:40
Speaker 1: other teams are starting to, you know, do these things.
28:43
Speaker 1: And I hate again, I hate saying you just got
28:45
Speaker 1: to make a move, to make a move for the
28:46
Speaker 1: fan base. But at the same time, we're gonna feel
28:48
Speaker 1: for every Patriots fans if the Jets sign Aaron Rodgers
28:51
Speaker 1: and everybody who thinks exactly what you just laid out
28:54
Speaker 1: that what what are we gonna do you know, are
28:56
Speaker 1: we gonna are we gonna do? Like, are we gonna
28:57
Speaker 1: wait till day two or three? And we're gonna fill
28:59
Speaker 1: in some holes and you know, we're gonna go to
29:01
Speaker 1: the draft, and you know, like I don't know, it's
29:04
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit it's a little bit daunting
29:06
Speaker 1: right now as we get ready for free agency and
29:07
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping that there's you know, and and you know,
29:10
Speaker 1: a trade for DeAndre Hopkins something like that that moves
29:12
Speaker 1: my needle, that says, all right, you know, we're in it.
29:15
Speaker 1: We see what these other teams are doing, and we
29:17
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, just slow and steady isn't going
29:20
Speaker 1: to win the race anymore. We need to be bold.
29:22
Speaker 1: We need to make some moves so that we can
29:23
Speaker 1: get this thing back on track like asap and not
29:26
Speaker 1: you know, sit around and wait for Aaron Rodgers to
29:28
Speaker 1: retire now, or to wait to get hurt, or you know,
29:30
Speaker 1: Josh Allen to finally get hurt or you know, all
29:32
Speaker 1: those things will happen. But I think, not to sound corny,
29:38
Speaker 1: but I don't think the Patriots believe like they used
29:42
Speaker 1: to anymore because of the quarterback, like when you had
29:45
Speaker 1: Brady at twenty eight to three is like the quintessential
29:48
Speaker 1: example of it. Like, when you had Brady, you always
29:51
Speaker 1: knew there was a chance, like no matter what the
29:52
Speaker 1: score was, no matter where you were playing, no matter
29:55
Speaker 1: who was the quarterback on the other sideline. And I
29:57
Speaker 1: think that that's infectious throughout the entire team to the
30:00
Speaker 1: point where those comebacks happen, those moments happen because it's
30:05
Speaker 1: not just Brady that is putting it on his back,
30:08
Speaker 1: but the defense all of a sudden believes a little
30:10
Speaker 1: bit more. In the offense believes a little bit more,
30:12
Speaker 1: and Malcolm Butler believes a little bit more, or whatever
30:15
Speaker 1: the case may be. And I just I feel like
30:18
Speaker 1: right now at the Patriots, they need that move more so,
30:22
Speaker 1: and everybody's going to point to the quarterback and we
30:24
Speaker 1: can we can go to your Lamar Jackson rant whenever
30:26
Speaker 1: you want, Mike, I know, I wanted to see him
30:28
Speaker 1: up too yet and the only reason and you guys know,
30:32
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of complicated elements to Lamar Jackson, Okay,
30:36
Speaker 1: not the least of witches. That is, he's franchised and
30:38
Speaker 1: it cause you to once, Okay, so I understand all
30:41
Speaker 1: the things. But what I don't understand is how many people.
30:45
Speaker 1: And this might be teeming Mike up to offer the
30:47
Speaker 1: rebuttal on on behalf of the other people. I heard
30:51
Speaker 1: this morning as I was driving in on Evan Show,
30:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it Evan Show, what is it? What
30:55
Speaker 1: is it? Because he appears on Toucher and oh all right,
30:57
Speaker 1: he's got his own cup, right, so on on on
31:00
Speaker 1: Evan's show, I'm listening to I think it's Ryan Johnston
31:03
Speaker 1: filling in for Johnny ballgame, um John Wallack, and they're
31:09
Speaker 1: going back and forth. They're talking without the arms race,
31:11
Speaker 1: and if it's like, you know, God forbid, if Brady
31:13
Speaker 1: comes out of retirement place for Miami, blah blah blah,
31:16
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And then you know, somebody suggested, well,
31:21
Speaker 1: you know, do you take another look at Lamar Jackson?
31:24
Speaker 1: And Ryan Johnson's like, that's exactly what you shouldn't do,
31:27
Speaker 1: Like you can't do stupid things like that. Again, I
31:30
Speaker 1: completely understand how hard it would be to acquire Lamar Jackson.
31:35
Speaker 1: I don't completely understand why it would be dismissed as
31:38
Speaker 1: completely out of hand for a guy who's won as
31:40
Speaker 1: much as Lamar Jackson is. Now this comes into movie.
31:43
Speaker 1: He's got his rebuttal and that's and that's great. This
31:46
Speaker 1: is why I think this is, you know, good for
31:49
Speaker 1: us to talk o. But I just don't understand why
31:51
Speaker 1: it would be stupid for the Patriots to think about
31:54
Speaker 1: acquiring an established, high level quarterback who's available. Well, I'm
31:59
Speaker 1: gonna Rashad Taut because he emailed in and uh and
32:02
Speaker 1: I think he says some of the same points you do,
32:04
Speaker 1: but I think he wrote it pretty well. As I
32:07
Speaker 1: type this, it still amazes me that no one would
32:08
Speaker 1: want a young former MVPQB who would bring you a
32:11
Speaker 1: generation of young new fans, someone who wasn't surrounded by
32:14
Speaker 1: good skill positions. And Greg Roman also didn't help. I
32:17
Speaker 1: say all that to say, if I'm the Patriots, I'm
32:19
Speaker 1: paying Lamar that money because it's gonna be seventy million
32:21
Speaker 1: a year pretty soon. Trade the two first that wouldn't
32:23
Speaker 1: even mean anything compared to Lamar, and trade Mac for
32:26
Speaker 1: a top sixty pick. I'm hoping this doesn't get skipped
32:28
Speaker 1: over today. Well it didn't, Rashad, We're going to use it.
32:32
Speaker 1: He's a huge fan of Lamar and uh, go ahead.
32:35
Speaker 1: I'll let you go first. I'm gonna listen as I
32:37
Speaker 1: get another PEPSI because I'm going to enjoy this. I'm
32:40
Speaker 1: gonna get up on the muting and and look. I First,
32:44
Speaker 1: I will say I think he is phenomenally talented. I
32:46
Speaker 1: just don't understand why he is the Golden Goose. That
32:49
Speaker 1: if you don't love Lamar and want Lamar more than
32:52
Speaker 1: anything in the world, that you're an idiot. I just like,
32:56
Speaker 1: let's point out the guy's never started sixteen games in
32:58
Speaker 1: a season, He's one in three in the playoffs, he's
33:01
Speaker 1: lost the teams that went nowhere. I mean it's you know,
33:04
Speaker 1: like I'm all for like awesome talent, and that's great,
33:09
Speaker 1: But if I'm investing in a quarterback, I want to
33:11
Speaker 1: feel like everywhere every year, I'm gonna be in it.
33:14
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a chance. Tom Brady, how many seasons
33:16
Speaker 1: he played here, he got hurt one year. So if
33:19
Speaker 1: I'm going to invest in a guy, I'm a little
33:21
Speaker 1: bit I'm just saying there's a little bit of trepidation
33:23
Speaker 1: on my part in terms of injury history, in terms
33:26
Speaker 1: of what do I have to do for my offense
33:27
Speaker 1: and I look at his playoff performance, and apparently against
33:31
Speaker 1: these good defenses, it's not quite as great. Our completion
33:34
Speaker 1: percentage drops from sixty three to fifty five. He's got
33:36
Speaker 1: three touchdowns five interceptions in the playoffs. The two games
33:39
Speaker 1: he ran for over one hundred and thirty hundred and
33:41
Speaker 1: forty yards didn't matter. They were one and one. In
33:43
Speaker 1: those games, he got sacked nineteen times in those four games.
33:46
Speaker 1: Those are the twenty seventeen the Los Angeles Chargers, the
33:49
Speaker 1: twenty or sorry twenty eighteen Chargers, the twenty nineteen Titans,
33:52
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Titans, and last year the Buffalo Bills.
33:55
Speaker 1: So I look, I get it. He's amazing to watch
33:58
Speaker 1: him when he's on and he's lit The Patriots up year,
34:00
Speaker 1: they had no answer for him. I get it. I'm
34:02
Speaker 1: just saying, is there any concern about this guy's ability
34:05
Speaker 1: to stay healthy when I give him? When I'm going
34:07
Speaker 1: to give him fifty million a year? Am I going
34:10
Speaker 1: to get seventeen games out of him plus playoffs every
34:13
Speaker 1: year for the next ten years, or am I gonna
34:15
Speaker 1: just have to accept that, Well, hey, we'll probably get
34:18
Speaker 1: a super Bowl in here somewhere on that one or
34:19
Speaker 1: two years that he actually stays healthy and is ready
34:22
Speaker 1: to go in the playoffs. That's that's what I gotta say.
34:25
Speaker 1: I'll let you go first. There's a whole lot of
34:27
Speaker 1: QB wins in there. By the way, I'm just saying
34:30
Speaker 1: forty five and sixteen. Forty five and sixteen is pretty good,
34:34
Speaker 1: but we only focus on the one and three. Okay,
34:36
Speaker 1: So but besides the fact that he's one of the
34:40
Speaker 1: most dynamic players in the entire league, Like, I don't
34:42
Speaker 1: even go on that rant yet, did you. I just
34:46
Speaker 1: pulled it up because I wanted to make sure I
34:47
Speaker 1: got this correctly, and I'm gonna read it to you.
34:49
Speaker 1: So here was what the Denver Broncos traded for Russell Wilson,
34:54
Speaker 1: who is significantly older than Lamar Jackson. Okay, they traded
34:59
Speaker 1: Drew Locke, Noah Fant, Shelby Harris, two first round picks,
35:03
Speaker 1: two second round picks, and a fifth round pick to
35:06
Speaker 1: the Seahawks for Russell Wilson in the fourth round pick.
35:10
Speaker 1: And you can get and gave him the bag and
35:13
Speaker 1: gave him the bag, thank you, and gave him the bag.
35:16
Speaker 1: And you can get Lamar Jackson, who is younger and
35:19
Speaker 1: better than Russell Wilson for far less than that package.
35:24
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I don't Two first round picks
35:26
Speaker 1: for Lamar Jackson is not that bad. I don't understand
35:30
Speaker 1: what the entire reaction is that two first round picks
35:34
Speaker 1: for Lamar. Oh, we can't give up two for did
35:37
Speaker 1: you just hear what the Broncos gave up for Russell Wilson?
35:41
Speaker 1: And I won't even pull up the Deshaun Watson situation
35:43
Speaker 1: and how all that went down. The fact that it's
35:48
Speaker 1: too much for Lamar Jackson. Two first round picks is
35:51
Speaker 1: a bargain for Lamar Jackson, an absolute bargain. So I
35:55
Speaker 1: will say that I really liked the start of your rants.
35:59
Speaker 1: Oh thank you, because I I wholeheartedly agree. Obviously, when
36:03
Speaker 1: you agree with something, you really like him, right, So yeah,
36:05
Speaker 1: we like just like everywhere egomaniacs, just like everybody else.
36:08
Speaker 1: When you suggest, you know at the start, like, I
36:11
Speaker 1: don't understand why it's silly that you're you're not necessarily
36:16
Speaker 1: willing to go that far from Lamar Jackson. And I
36:19
Speaker 1: totally understand. I know exactly what Baltimore is weighing right now,
36:24
Speaker 1: and they have him, they know how good he is.
36:28
Speaker 1: I would push back on some of the you learned
36:32
Speaker 1: well from me because you use statistics to benefit your
36:34
Speaker 1: own argument by saying he's never started sixteen games while
36:38
Speaker 1: completely ignoring the fact that he sat out the last
36:42
Speaker 1: game of the year yet completely healthy. Um the league MVP,
36:53
Speaker 1: so Lamar Jackson, he's been injured that year the last
36:56
Speaker 1: two years, Yes, he has been injured, and he missed
36:59
Speaker 1: about a third of the games each of the last
37:01
Speaker 1: two seasons. That to me is a major concern. And
37:04
Speaker 1: there's no because of the way he plays like. I
37:06
Speaker 1: don't think that he's going to be more rapt to
37:09
Speaker 1: stay healthier. Well, you know, running the way he runs.
37:14
Speaker 1: You gloss over forty five and sixteen. I'm sorry, this
37:17
Speaker 1: is where I'm team Evan. There's not a lot of
37:21
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league that win at that level. And also,
37:24
Speaker 1: and I know that not every team gets to the
37:26
Speaker 1: opportunity because the quarterback doesn't leave. But there's a lot
37:30
Speaker 1: of starting quarterbacks that have left their lineups in recent
37:33
Speaker 1: years and the teams haven't fallen apart. I think of
37:36
Speaker 1: Drew Brees towards the end in New Orleans. I think
37:39
Speaker 1: of Dak Prescott last year in Dallas Baltimore. Can't win
37:43
Speaker 1: a game without this guy. Like two years ago, they
37:48
Speaker 1: literally lost every one of them. They were like seven
37:51
Speaker 1: and four when he got hurt, of seven and five
37:54
Speaker 1: or something like that when he got hurt. Well, no,
37:56
Speaker 1: I think they were eight and three and they lost out.
37:59
Speaker 1: They went eight. This year, at least Huntley won a
38:02
Speaker 1: couple of games, got them in the playoffs, and had
38:05
Speaker 1: them competitive. But I think the difference is, like in
38:09
Speaker 1: other words, it's not a great team. He makes the
38:13
Speaker 1: team great and he I mean, his numbers are just insanity.
38:21
Speaker 1: And I know he's never approached the passing that he
38:24
Speaker 1: did in that MVP year, But I would be I
38:31
Speaker 1: would if I was Miami Carolina, the Jets, Las Vegas.
38:36
Speaker 1: I have no idea why the Jets won Aaron Rodgers
38:38
Speaker 1: more than Lamar jack you know, the Jets. I would
38:41
Speaker 1: be looking at my personnel and I'd be trying to
38:44
Speaker 1: figure out how hard would it be for me to
38:46
Speaker 1: transition a little bit to something more conducive to what
38:48
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is comfortable in, And I would have no
38:52
Speaker 1: problem with it. Like in other words, I'm probably a
38:54
Speaker 1: no for the Patriots on Lamar Jackson, but not because
38:57
Speaker 1: of Lamar Jackson's talent. That would be a ringing. Yes,
39:02
Speaker 1: Like if I had an opportunity to get a top
39:05
Speaker 1: sixty pick for Mac Jones and replace them with Lamar Jackson,
39:08
Speaker 1: you do it. I you know what, I would do
39:12
Speaker 1: a lot of driving to and from the airport. I
39:14
Speaker 1: would drive back to the airport and be more than
39:16
Speaker 1: willing to pick Lamar up to bring him back. I'm
39:19
Speaker 1: I'm a Mac defender. I had fend the wall on
39:21
Speaker 1: Mac and I would drive him to the airport. Sorry,
39:23
Speaker 1: I love you, Mac, But like you know, this is
39:25
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson for talking about here. I just I understand
39:30
Speaker 1: that for some teams like the Patriots, if you go
39:33
Speaker 1: to the ball with Lamar Jackson and then the Ravens
39:36
Speaker 1: match the offer. Now, what does Mac Jones say to
39:40
Speaker 1: you right now? You're really stuck in a rock and
39:43
Speaker 1: a hard place, just like the Falcons were last year
39:45
Speaker 1: with Matt Ryan, for example. And I think that that's
39:48
Speaker 1: part of it with sometimes you get in trade rumors
39:52
Speaker 1: and sometimes but that that's part of you know why
39:56
Speaker 1: I really get Madden. Like I like the way you
39:58
Speaker 1: said it at the beginning of your ran, it's like,
40:00
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, you're somehow chastised as being
40:03
Speaker 1: either collusion with the with the good old boy owners
40:09
Speaker 1: or worse, you know, collusions crowded in racism, you know,
40:13
Speaker 1: because they're not interested. Whereas Evan just completely mapped out
40:16
Speaker 1: another minority quarterback who was given the world to go
40:21
Speaker 1: and poop the bed in Denver last year. Like no,
40:26
Speaker 1: how quickly they forget, you know, when Cleveland and I
40:30
Speaker 1: read this thing from Charles Robinson which was really interesting
40:33
Speaker 1: from different agents given perspectives. When Cleveland decided to give
40:38
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson two hundred and forty million and guaranteed money,
40:41
Speaker 1: everybody killed the Browns, Yeah, killed them. Now everybody's killing
40:46
Speaker 1: Baltimore for not giving them two hundred and forty million
40:48
Speaker 1: to match it. Yeah, and this is a guy who's
40:51
Speaker 1: been injured a couple of times lately. Like, I just
40:53
Speaker 1: don't understand. I love Lamar Jackson. I think he's terrific.
40:57
Speaker 1: But if someone says, I don't think Lamar Jack's that good,
41:00
Speaker 1: he's not that accomplished a passer, He's been injured the
41:03
Speaker 1: last two years. He's gonna cost you two for us
41:05
Speaker 1: round picks. And two hundred and fifty million and guaranteed money.
41:09
Speaker 1: Those are all facts. Like, just because I think Lamar
41:12
Speaker 1: Jackson's great and you think he's great but aren't willing
41:15
Speaker 1: to do that, doesn't make you a collusion guy or worse. Yeah,
41:19
Speaker 1: I just think that first of all, it's good business
41:23
Speaker 1: for the Ravens to just franchise, tag him and play
41:25
Speaker 1: the string out. It's bad business for them to just
41:28
Speaker 1: hand him two hundred fifty million dollars just because they
41:30
Speaker 1: feel like they absolutely have to. They have the control
41:33
Speaker 1: in this situation, make a play. If he plays on
41:36
Speaker 1: the on the franchise tag this year, that's the best case, right,
41:39
Speaker 1: and then they can even franchising and tagging him again
41:41
Speaker 1: next year is still a good deal for them, like
41:43
Speaker 1: going to Kirk Cousins ground. But the one thing I'll
41:45
Speaker 1: push back with on the injuries, I think if he
41:49
Speaker 1: has the bad last year, he plays, especially in the playoffs.
41:52
Speaker 1: And I understand that. You know, Mike, we were joking
41:54
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah that Mike was like, sounds like a
41:57
Speaker 1: team guy. Yeah, I don't want on my team, right,
42:00
Speaker 1: But I was my snarky that was my starky thing.
42:02
Speaker 1: I think last year for better Patriots, you don't want
42:05
Speaker 1: it anymore then for better or worse. I think last
42:07
Speaker 1: year not playing down the stretching in the playoffs was
42:09
Speaker 1: a business decision for Lamar Jackson. I agree, and I
42:12
Speaker 1: can't really fault him for it. You know, somebody that
42:16
Speaker 1: he has so much on the line, and I think
42:19
Speaker 1: that he looks at other guys. I always hate to
42:22
Speaker 1: go to the poster child of this, but RG three,
42:24
Speaker 1: right like, you just don't want to be the next
42:26
Speaker 1: RG three and I and that's I think what's in
42:29
Speaker 1: the back of his mind last year, where if I
42:31
Speaker 1: play at seventy five percent and then blow up my
42:34
Speaker 1: knee and now I just it's over. You're gonna be
42:36
Speaker 1: doing HISPN the next year, right three? And the other
42:39
Speaker 1: part of that too, you know, like what Evan's talking about,
42:42
Speaker 1: it's so hard like everybody, I think everybody just wants
42:46
Speaker 1: to make it so black and white. Well, they're clearly,
42:49
Speaker 1: these these these old owners, they're all they're all colluding
42:53
Speaker 1: and they're all you know, they don't want him because
42:54
Speaker 1: he's he's black. Well, that's an easy convenient way to
42:57
Speaker 1: look at it. And maybe I don't know, I don't
43:00
Speaker 1: of these owners, maybe some of them feel like that.
43:02
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you what's in someone's heart. Maybe they do.
43:05
Speaker 1: But if you're in Miami, as an example, and you
43:09
Speaker 1: publicly come out and say, like, to you a point,
43:11
Speaker 1: you're going to sign them to an offer sheet, which
43:14
Speaker 1: is a hard process. There's like one guy in the
43:16
Speaker 1: history of the franchise tag who's been signed away, right,
43:20
Speaker 1: that's Sean Gilbert in ninety eight. So if you do
43:25
Speaker 1: that and then Baltimore matches, then you turn around and go, hey,
43:30
Speaker 1: just kids love you a meeting, right, you're my guy.
43:34
Speaker 1: Well that's why I think, like, that's what makes it
43:36
Speaker 1: hard for these teams to publicly declare their desire for
43:38
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. And I don't buy for a second there's
43:41
Speaker 1: no interest in Lamar Jackson, which is what came out
43:44
Speaker 1: about five minutes after the franchise tag was announced on Tuesday.
43:48
Speaker 1: Remember on Twitter, there wass just like carrying buckets of
43:52
Speaker 1: water for the NFL. These five teams are already said
43:55
Speaker 1: they're not interested. I don't believe that for a second. Yeah,
43:58
Speaker 1: but I let's just say it to your point, Evan
43:59
Speaker 1: about and there's no question Lamar Jackson looks favorable and
44:02
Speaker 1: just about any light compared to what they gave Russell
44:04
Speaker 1: Wilson and to Shaun Watson. But do you think that
44:06
Speaker 1: this is in some ways more connected to just the
44:08
Speaker 1: owners not wanting to make Deshaun Watson the new standard.
44:12
Speaker 1: And if Lamar Jackson now builds off of what Deshaun
44:15
Speaker 1: Watson got, they feel that there's no stop in this train? Now?
44:18
Speaker 1: Is that part of it too? Because of that deal?
44:20
Speaker 1: Just so tough with what the Giants just gave Daniel Jones,
44:24
Speaker 1: who's half the player that Lamar Jackson. Why I look
44:26
Speaker 1: at it is it's clearly that's the direction it's going.
44:28
Speaker 1: So maybe you can put your foot in, you know,
44:31
Speaker 1: put your foot down over this one, right, But eventually
44:33
Speaker 1: it's happening anyway. Yeah, I mean the guaranteed money is
44:36
Speaker 1: one thing. I guess, you know, I don't know if
44:37
Speaker 1: any buddy will ever sign a fully guaranteed deal like
44:41
Speaker 1: that again. But if you're gonna give Daniel Jones three
44:44
Speaker 1: for one sixty and Lamar is, I mean, forget about it,
44:47
Speaker 1: he's worth almost double. Probably. I think that's what I
44:51
Speaker 1: would do, is I would if you don't want to
44:53
Speaker 1: give him two hundred and fifty million guaranteed, then see
44:55
Speaker 1: if will take a shorter term. That's what I would
44:57
Speaker 1: do too, if I was a team like the Patriots
44:59
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get into this dance. And again
45:01
Speaker 1: I'm wary of the mac Jones thing too, Like that's
45:03
Speaker 1: a big thing for me, Mac. I think Miami is
45:06
Speaker 1: a great example to uh. If you're a team like
45:08
Speaker 1: the Raiders who doesn't have a quarterback at all, then
45:11
Speaker 1: Lamar is a perfect opportunity for you, Jets, Carolina, Right,
45:15
Speaker 1: But these teams that have somebody like I'm not saying
45:18
Speaker 1: mac Jones is the guy, but to have somebody exactly,
45:21
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to do that. But if if I
45:24
Speaker 1: was a team like the Patriots or any team, really,
45:26
Speaker 1: I would offer him the fully guaranteed deal, but it
45:29
Speaker 1: would be for three years, right, I'd offer him three
45:31
Speaker 1: for one fifty fully guaranteed. That's what one of the
45:33
Speaker 1: agents in the Charles Robinson piece today said, three three
45:38
Speaker 1: year guaranteed, because then you know those three years you're
45:41
Speaker 1: gonna get a damn good quarterback and then you're not
45:44
Speaker 1: hitched to the wagon if his physical tools start to
45:47
Speaker 1: decline four or five years down the line, you're not
45:51
Speaker 1: married to him to the point where you can't get
45:53
Speaker 1: you know, get out of it. At that point, can
45:55
Speaker 1: we can we talk about that Daniel Jones deal for
45:57
Speaker 1: a second. And we got some callers, and please, we
45:59
Speaker 1: got great emails. We get to those probably after we
46:01
Speaker 1: break for lunch. I just I gotta get this Daniel
46:03
Speaker 1: Jones thing it just because I think it relates a
46:05
Speaker 1: lot to where the Patriots are. And you know, it's
46:07
Speaker 1: a guy that just you're not that impressed with, but
46:09
Speaker 1: like you just you feel like you're married to him.
46:11
Speaker 1: Like what are giants, fans, giants execs saying to themselves
46:15
Speaker 1: right now about Daniel Jones That we think he's going
46:18
Speaker 1: to take the next step and we're going to be
46:20
Speaker 1: able to complete compete with this Eagles team that we
46:23
Speaker 1: saw last year. It seems like all of a sudden,
46:24
Speaker 1: they're just coming on and they're gonna be, you know,
46:26
Speaker 1: good for a while. Like it's just such a hard
46:29
Speaker 1: spot to be in. And like, on one hand, I'd
46:31
Speaker 1: love to say, man, if you have just a middling
46:33
Speaker 1: quarterback that you're like kind of fooling yourself that you're
46:36
Speaker 1: believing that he's really going to be the guy and
46:37
Speaker 1: really lead you to like a super Bowl and to
46:39
Speaker 1: be a top five team. But he's your guy, and yeah,
46:42
Speaker 1: he's probably better than tossing yourself back into the wins
46:45
Speaker 1: of free agency in the draft and trying to get
46:47
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Like how do you reconcile all that? You know?
46:51
Speaker 1: It's just hard. It's like you wonder and and I
46:54
Speaker 1: you know, and this year will say a lot about
46:56
Speaker 1: mac and you know where he's at and if he's
46:58
Speaker 1: kind of on that similar trajectory. But like, I just
47:01
Speaker 1: having seen Daniel Jones what twice here over the last
47:03
Speaker 1: few summers, like we saw him last year and or sorry,
47:07
Speaker 1: last year of practice, Like I just know, like you're
47:09
Speaker 1: never gonna go You're never getting like a super Bowl
47:12
Speaker 1: with this guy, and you just handed him all this money,
47:14
Speaker 1: Like like how do you how do you live with
47:16
Speaker 1: how do you live with yourself? I don't know. It's
47:18
Speaker 1: just such a commulicated thing. It's not to me, it's
47:22
Speaker 1: it's it's what makes it really hard because I think
47:24
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that probably have quarterbacks
47:26
Speaker 1: that they feel like people feel about Daniel Jones like
47:30
Speaker 1: he's my starter, He's fine, I can win games with them.
47:34
Speaker 1: I can't win the super Bowl with them. I love
47:36
Speaker 1: that in a press conference, you know, I mean I
47:39
Speaker 1: think they're probably banking on a couple of things. I
47:41
Speaker 1: think they're probably banking that year two of Dayble and
47:44
Speaker 1: Jones might be even better. YEA. One thing and and
47:49
Speaker 1: and the other thing is when you're a team like
47:52
Speaker 1: the Giants, who's a good franchise, um they've been down
47:57
Speaker 1: and finally had some success, you want to like intentionally
48:01
Speaker 1: break it up. What do you want to say, because
48:04
Speaker 1: you can we build to something a little bit bigger
48:07
Speaker 1: if we take a half step back. Maybe, But like,
48:10
Speaker 1: like I got an argue with my brother yesterday because
48:12
Speaker 1: believe it or not, believe it or not, I don't
48:14
Speaker 1: just argue with you, you bozos. I argue with my
48:16
Speaker 1: brother on the way home. I feel like we have
48:18
Speaker 1: a lot to blame on your brother for Oh he
48:20
Speaker 1: did this, He totally rich, is totally responsible for this.
48:23
Speaker 1: So he's like, you know, I'd rather have Derek Carr
48:27
Speaker 1: and I would have done that, And I was like,
48:29
Speaker 1: I like Derek Carr too. I like him, I don't
48:32
Speaker 1: love him. I don't think much differently of Derek Carr
48:34
Speaker 1: than Daniel Jones Derek Carr. I think he's probably a
48:39
Speaker 1: better passer, better pure passer of the football, as they
48:42
Speaker 1: like to say. But he's not as as much of
48:45
Speaker 1: a threat to run as Daniel Jones. And I'm not
48:48
Speaker 1: sure he's as tough as Daniel Joe. Daniel Jones ha
48:51
Speaker 1: showed some toughness in New York. It's a tough place
48:53
Speaker 1: to play. He's getting a crap kicked out of him
48:56
Speaker 1: behind a terrible offensive line. If I got to give
49:00
Speaker 1: those that's what my point, I guess is they both
49:04
Speaker 1: cost like forty million. Yeah, like you're not getting it.
49:06
Speaker 1: Like my rich said, he goes, you know, you know,
49:09
Speaker 1: maybe like twenty five million ago. Well, you want to
49:11
Speaker 1: be the Patriots, then you want to take these guys
49:13
Speaker 1: and get them for the deal that you want. You
49:15
Speaker 1: have no choice, But that's not an option. Like, yeah,
49:17
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Tom Brady. It's twenty five million too,
49:20
Speaker 1: that's not on the table anymore. Those guys cost fifty now, right, Yeah,
49:24
Speaker 1: I mean I just look at it from a Patriots perspective.
49:26
Speaker 1: I've been saying this since the Daniel Jones contract negotiations started.
49:30
Speaker 1: I just watch out for what Daniel Jones gets, and
49:33
Speaker 1: I get all of the Well Mac doesn't run as
49:35
Speaker 1: well as Dan. Yeah, that's that's that's fair. But if
49:38
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, if you take out wait a minute, if
49:41
Speaker 1: you have to interrupt you for something, I have to
49:43
Speaker 1: be rude. Sure, so you said watch out for what
49:45
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones gets like this, Can I use them like
49:48
Speaker 1: two weeks ago or a week ago longer? Yeah, I've
49:50
Speaker 1: been saying a while, and Patriots fans came at you saying,
49:55
Speaker 1: but Daniel Jones can run. Yes, these are the same people, Mike.
49:59
Speaker 1: That's Mac Jones was already better than Daniel Jones two
50:03
Speaker 1: years ago in training camp. But this is my point.
50:05
Speaker 1: But this is my exact point. So if mac Jones
50:09
Speaker 1: is rookie season and his third season end up being
50:13
Speaker 1: what Mac Jones is with with the real offensive coordinated
50:15
Speaker 1: in a real setup on offense, and year two ends
50:17
Speaker 1: up being the outlier when his contract comes up, you're
50:20
Speaker 1: looking at forty five million dollars a year for mac
50:23
Speaker 1: Jones at least. Like, I'm sorry, question, that's that's what
50:26
Speaker 1: the march is just a natural progression. It's not gonna
50:28
Speaker 1: go backwards. Right, forget about the performance if he is
50:32
Speaker 1: your starter, and you want him to be your starter
50:35
Speaker 1: going forward after this year, and you want to resign
50:38
Speaker 1: them and extend them. Now I don't think they will, right,
50:41
Speaker 1: but if you want to, Evan is right, right, that's
50:44
Speaker 1: what it's gonna cost. Yeah, if you if you if
50:47
Speaker 1: mac Jones and two out of his three seasons has
50:49
Speaker 1: respectable box score stats gets you to the playoffs in
50:53
Speaker 1: two out of three years. Let's say they have a
50:55
Speaker 1: big bounce back year this year, they win eleven games,
50:57
Speaker 1: that gets to the divisional round and things are looking up,
51:00
Speaker 1: then mac Jones is going to garner the Daniel Jones contract.
51:04
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly that. If I was his agent,
51:08
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would say to the Patriots. I
51:10
Speaker 1: would say, that's that's our floor. That's our floor for
51:14
Speaker 1: an extension. And I'm not saying the Patriots, I would say,
51:16
Speaker 1: because he would be buying a free agent year, so
51:20
Speaker 1: maybe he gets a little bit less, but not much.
51:22
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the Patriots necessarily do that, But
51:26
Speaker 1: that's that's the market Daniel Jones has set them. Because
51:29
Speaker 1: that's not the deal that Derek Carr signed the last
51:31
Speaker 1: offseason with the Raiders. This is a legitimate two and
51:34
Speaker 1: a half year contract that Daniel Jones signed, two years
51:38
Speaker 1: eighty two million in the first two seasons and a
51:40
Speaker 1: little bit more an injury guarantee for the third season.
51:43
Speaker 1: So this is a legitimate three year deal that Daniel
51:46
Speaker 1: Jones signed, and that's going to be the going rate
51:49
Speaker 1: for a Daniel Jones level quarterback. And I think Mac
51:52
Speaker 1: Jones is right there with him. It's funny, like what
51:54
Speaker 1: other industry do you have to pay a guy the
51:58
Speaker 1: highest salary on your payroll and you really don't think
52:02
Speaker 1: he can he can really do what you really truly
52:04
Speaker 1: need him to do. You know, it's a great point
52:05
Speaker 1: one of these things where but you got no choice.
52:07
Speaker 1: You gotta pay him forty million. Now, is he gonna
52:09
Speaker 1: get your super Bowl? Probably not, but that's what it
52:11
Speaker 1: is so tough. It's a good question of is there
52:15
Speaker 1: a school thought And this is like a deep offseason die,
52:18
Speaker 1: but is there a school a thought of recycling quarterbacks
52:20
Speaker 1: at some point? Like Smith right? Like is that gonna
52:23
Speaker 1: give anybody? You know, everybody wants to develop the next
52:25
Speaker 1: you know, it's the hot new thing. You'll get a
52:26
Speaker 1: j Brown, Like, is anybody gonna try to tell you
52:29
Speaker 1: sell the genial everything. It is a deep dive and
52:32
Speaker 1: and I see the like the phone, the phone a
52:33
Speaker 1: starting to stack up. But I would be absolutely and
52:36
Speaker 1: fit because you know that I'm a little bit less
52:38
Speaker 1: on the Mac Jones trained than most. That would be
52:42
Speaker 1: exactly what I would do. I would say, I know
52:44
Speaker 1: he's not the guy. I'm gonna get rid of him
52:47
Speaker 1: and get probably another guy that I think I can
52:50
Speaker 1: get for less than I would have to resign him.
52:54
Speaker 1: All the while, every year I'm taking a swing in
52:56
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, I'm gonna draft Hendon Hooker, I'm gonna
52:59
Speaker 1: draft dtr I'm gonna draft somebody every year and just
53:03
Speaker 1: have my fingers crossed so that can develop one. Yeah,
53:06
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's a terrible strategy. If
53:08
Speaker 1: you feel like, like we keep saying that you have
53:10
Speaker 1: a guy that's middling, that's not going to give you
53:12
Speaker 1: the super Bowl but is not terrible, but you're not
53:15
Speaker 1: gonna pay forty five million dollars a year, Like if
53:17
Speaker 1: the Patriots in two years decide that somebody in the
53:20
Speaker 1: draft is just Mac Jones and we're just gonna start
53:23
Speaker 1: it over on the clock and the rookie deal and
53:25
Speaker 1: maybe he ends up having a little bit more upside
53:28
Speaker 1: out of nowhere something like, I don't know if Mac
53:32
Speaker 1: is you know basically what he's been for two years,
53:36
Speaker 1: and that's he's not gonna get any better than that, right,
53:39
Speaker 1: So if that happens, I mean, how many fewer wins
53:45
Speaker 1: would you have if Andy Dalton was the quarterback and
53:49
Speaker 1: you can get Andy Dalton for a fraction of what
53:51
Speaker 1: it's going to cost you to resign Matt Jones? Yeah right,
53:55
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, you know where I stand on this,
53:57
Speaker 1: but like, how much fewer wins they have with Bailey Zappy? Right?
54:02
Speaker 1: I didn't use Zappy on purpose because I know how
54:04
Speaker 1: you felt about it. No. The reason why I'm coming
54:07
Speaker 1: around to things like this is I just can't stomach
54:11
Speaker 1: at the moment giving Mac Jones forty five million dollars.
54:15
Speaker 1: Just can't. On my show, Jim Murray is a big
54:17
Speaker 1: fan of just just keep drafting, right, And they make
54:21
Speaker 1: fun of him. Two of them make fun Mike and
54:23
Speaker 1: Tony constantly make fun of him for it. I don't
54:25
Speaker 1: think he's wrong, No, Like, and this is again, if
54:28
Speaker 1: you if you have confidence in Mac Jones. Then that
54:32
Speaker 1: that changes the whole thing. That means you are prepared
54:34
Speaker 1: to give him forty plus million dollars and you're okay
54:37
Speaker 1: with it because you think he's ascending. The coaches, Noah,
54:40
Speaker 1: hell of a lot more about football than I ever will.
54:43
Speaker 1: So if they think he's ascending, that's the move that
54:46
Speaker 1: they make. Yeah fine, But if they don't, if they think,
54:49
Speaker 1: like what Evan's talking about, why not pull back on that?
54:54
Speaker 1: Bringing just some random Bridge guy who you know, Drew Locke,
54:58
Speaker 1: you know, someone who hasn't really played at all. And
55:01
Speaker 1: maybe it's Geno. Maybe it happens like, what's the difference
55:03
Speaker 1: between the amount of whins you're gonna have? Yeah, like
55:05
Speaker 1: Geno Smith. You're not gonna go anywhere with Gino Smith.
55:08
Speaker 1: You're gonna win eight or nine games. That's all you're
55:11
Speaker 1: gonna win with Mac Jones, Right, so I can save
55:14
Speaker 1: a ton of money. Now you can't do that with
55:15
Speaker 1: Gino Smith anymore. But yeah, just Smith got the bag.
55:20
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a dumb way of looking at it.
55:23
Speaker 1: You just I mean you brought it home from me, Paul,
55:24
Speaker 1: because that's that's what it is. I'm like, and as
55:26
Speaker 1: a fan. I want to say, if I'm a Giants fan, like,
55:29
Speaker 1: don't sell me on this Daniel Jones contract unless you
55:32
Speaker 1: guys really believe that he is the guy that's just
55:35
Speaker 1: that whole stable thing. I have a ton of respect
55:37
Speaker 1: and it's probably it's personal, yeah, Like I just love
55:40
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, you guys just got back from
55:43
Speaker 1: the combine. I can't tell you how many years Brian
55:46
Speaker 1: Dabel chewed my ear off sitting next to me on
55:48
Speaker 1: the on the plane back from the combine. Like, I
55:50
Speaker 1: really like the guy. Yea, So maybe I'm clouded by that.
55:53
Speaker 1: I will wholeheartedly I like him to accept that. I
55:57
Speaker 1: think that he really was instrumental in doing what Josh
56:01
Speaker 1: Allen has come, you know, turning. That's why I'm just
56:04
Speaker 1: so shocked that he's hitching his wagon right for right now,
56:07
Speaker 1: at least to Daniel Jones, because I just look in
56:09
Speaker 1: this draft and I think that this will happen with
56:11
Speaker 1: every draft, like the Anthony Richardson types. It's like, if
56:14
Speaker 1: Brian Dabele can make Josh Allen into Josh Allen, how
56:17
Speaker 1: does he not look at a guy like Anthony Richardson
56:19
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, I'll turn him into Josh Allen. Right,
56:22
Speaker 1: I just don't understand you see, and I'm not telling
56:25
Speaker 1: you this is the same, So don't don't attack. I
56:28
Speaker 1: might attack kidding. I think Daniel Jones has a lot
56:32
Speaker 1: of qualities that Josh Allen had. I think he's got
56:34
Speaker 1: good size. I think he has good mobility. I think
56:36
Speaker 1: he has a good arm, not Josh Allen's arm. I
56:39
Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of guys dollars store Josh Allen.
56:41
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but like, it wouldn't stun me if in
56:45
Speaker 1: two years we're looking at us like, wow, Brian Dabele
56:49
Speaker 1: turned Daniel Jones into a reasonably competent top third of
56:53
Speaker 1: the league quarterback. What is that top twelve quarterback? Yeah,
56:57
Speaker 1: it wouldn't stun me. And I don't like to angel John.
57:00
Speaker 1: I'm on right, I don't what I've seen. I'm not
57:02
Speaker 1: impressed with. I thought last year all he does is run.
57:05
Speaker 1: He doesn't do doesn't do it for me as a passer.
57:07
Speaker 1: It's an interesting contrast, though, to look at what Josh
57:09
Speaker 1: did with the Raiders, and I mean not totally same situation,
57:13
Speaker 1: but still an offensive kind of guru who comes in
57:16
Speaker 1: inherits a quarterback Giants went extended. Dana Jones, Josh is like,
57:21
Speaker 1: you're out, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump back into the mix,
57:23
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe he goes for Anthony Richardson. Who Uh,
57:27
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fascinating to see what they do. Let's
57:30
Speaker 1: jump to the phones. Hey, Patty, I'm sorry for making
57:32
Speaker 1: you hold on for so long. We really got into
57:34
Speaker 1: it here about these contracts. No, I love it um
57:39
Speaker 1: and it kind of goes to where I'm gonna go
57:42
Speaker 1: and and I will get eventually get to the quarterback point.
57:45
Speaker 1: But what I wanted to say is if you will
57:49
Speaker 1: damp like what happened in the twenty eighteen at the
57:52
Speaker 1: top of the round of the in the twenty eighteen
57:54
Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen drafts. Right now, this team, but our
57:58
Speaker 1: beloved Patriots, are feeling the ripple of xun missing on
58:01
Speaker 1: three three guys that are arguably the three biggest needs
58:05
Speaker 1: right now. You know, side that cornerbacks with John Williams,
58:08
Speaker 1: left tackle with who I would argue probably the biggest
58:12
Speaker 1: buston and Dag and Pail Belichick's drafting history, Isaiah Wins
58:17
Speaker 1: and the Kiel Harry you know, and and just look
58:20
Speaker 1: at look at where the team is at right now.
58:22
Speaker 1: I mean, those are three big boys that you're not
58:24
Speaker 1: gonna cosensibly fill in the draft in one year in
58:29
Speaker 1: the draft. This year you might be able to fill
58:32
Speaker 1: two with free agency in the draft. But man, I'm
58:36
Speaker 1: I hope beyond hope that this year because I'll call
58:41
Speaker 1: last year a watch. I still don't know what mac
58:43
Speaker 1: Jones is and I know that you know, half the
58:46
Speaker 1: fan base probably isn't a big believer in them. But
58:49
Speaker 1: the things I wanted to see him accomplished last year
58:51
Speaker 1: I really want to see. I want to see him
58:54
Speaker 1: like win games, put the team on his back in
58:57
Speaker 1: a few games and come from behind and steal a
59:00
Speaker 1: gamer two that they're not supposed to win, and just
59:03
Speaker 1: show that like, hey, maybe you know, maybe this guy's
59:06
Speaker 1: going to be really good and maybe he has room
59:08
Speaker 1: to grow. Because I really don't want to go back
59:11
Speaker 1: into the quarterback carousel because we've seen it. I mean,
59:14
Speaker 1: you could get like the biggest, highly talented rookie. You're
59:18
Speaker 1: you're not winning a Super Bowl with a rookie quarterback,
59:20
Speaker 1: so you're you're really putting your team behind like three
59:23
Speaker 1: or four years if you have to go back into
59:25
Speaker 1: that quarterback herisself. And that's all I got. Great conversation guys,
59:30
Speaker 1: as always, Patriot sun filter is the best, um and
59:35
Speaker 1: catch twenty two is number two. Thanks Patty, Thanks Patty,
59:37
Speaker 1: appreciate it is. They win biggest draft bus though, Patty,
59:40
Speaker 1: I think that's a little especially when he says Nikhil
59:42
Speaker 1: Harry in the next year, but um, yeah, the whole Like, yeah,
59:46
Speaker 1: I think it'd be awfully difficult for a rookie quarterback
59:50
Speaker 1: to win. But I don't know why we have to
59:51
Speaker 1: go from that. So it's three or four years, So
59:53
Speaker 1: why can't it be great by year two? Yeah? Joe Burrow, right, Yeah,
59:56
Speaker 1: you're Patrick Holmes, Joe Burrow, Ben Roethlisberger. I mean year three.
1:00:02
Speaker 1: I mean at the moment there were there were guys
1:00:05
Speaker 1: that are that that have a lot of success young. Yeah,
1:00:09
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have to be year four, year five. Yeah,
1:00:11
Speaker 1: I I it's impossible to disagree with the main point though,
1:00:15
Speaker 1: if those drafts, those high round draft picks in that area,
1:00:17
Speaker 1: you are reaping what you sewed right now and those
1:00:20
Speaker 1: years right. Yeah, that's his larger point and he and
1:00:23
Speaker 1: he nails that. We've talked about it many times. And
1:00:25
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing with the quarterbacks is, Yeah,
1:00:28
Speaker 1: if you're asking me, what would I rather do? Would
1:00:29
Speaker 1: rather have to draft somebody every year? No, I'd rather
1:00:32
Speaker 1: have Mac Jones making an enormous leap this year, show
1:00:35
Speaker 1: everybody that I personally and completely wrong. And he's a
1:00:39
Speaker 1: guy that can throw forty two touchdowns and in eight
1:00:43
Speaker 1: picks and be the reason that your offense is dominant. Yeah,
1:00:47
Speaker 1: if that's that's the preferred road, you don't want to
1:00:51
Speaker 1: have to do the Evan and Paul thing where you're
1:00:54
Speaker 1: signing some quarterbacks. Just here. He's all in on this
1:00:58
Speaker 1: this idea too. But joanilliam is an interesting one because
1:01:01
Speaker 1: this entire draft process, I've been don't draft the next Juan, Like,
1:01:05
Speaker 1: try to avoid that right at all costs. Let's try
1:01:08
Speaker 1: to avoid that. And I think the biggest thing that
1:01:10
Speaker 1: I can point to with Juwan Williams, and it showed
1:01:13
Speaker 1: up on film, but it's just the easiest tangible ways
1:01:15
Speaker 1: the forty time right, we're in in the low four sixes,
1:01:18
Speaker 1: which is too slow to play corner in the NFL.
1:01:21
Speaker 1: That was a classic Paul Andy disagreement on the draft.
1:01:23
Speaker 1: And I won yeah, too slow to play corners. So
1:01:26
Speaker 1: a guy like Julius Brent's who I think everybody really
1:01:29
Speaker 1: likes for the Patriots from case day, right in the
1:01:31
Speaker 1: low four fives. So yeah, it's only a tenth of
1:01:33
Speaker 1: a second, but that tenth of a second matters, Like
1:01:35
Speaker 1: that's that's the difference between being there at the catch
1:01:38
Speaker 1: point and not being there at the catch point. So
1:01:41
Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing. If you're looking at
1:01:42
Speaker 1: these bigger corners, don't draft a four six corner right
1:01:46
Speaker 1: like they did draft the guys that can run. I'm
1:01:48
Speaker 1: not your draft slow corner. That's yeah, that's a little
1:01:51
Speaker 1: tip up. We're gonna take We're gonna grab Matthew in
1:01:53
Speaker 1: Nebraska here before we take a quick break for lunch. Hello, Matthew,
1:01:57
Speaker 1: what's going on? Hey? How you guys? John Great. I'm
1:02:00
Speaker 1: gonna take a shift away from what you guys him
1:02:02
Speaker 1: talking about, just gonna get your thoughts on a hello, Yeah, yeah,
1:02:07
Speaker 1: we're here, you're on there. I just want to give
1:02:10
Speaker 1: your thoughts on a wider, steeper coming out of Nebraska.
1:02:13
Speaker 1: It's Tray Palmer. Oh. I like him, the guy that
1:02:15
Speaker 1: i've kind of watched a little bit as he's played
1:02:17
Speaker 1: here and he did pretty well last season and kind
1:02:19
Speaker 1: of have to see him go. But he's kind of
1:02:21
Speaker 1: I don't know if you kind of equate him to
1:02:23
Speaker 1: Taykwon Thornton. He's fast, yeah, so I just don't know
1:02:26
Speaker 1: if you have done much researching to see if he
1:02:28
Speaker 1: has did. It was in my first mock I grabbed.
1:02:31
Speaker 1: I grabbed him. I like, I mean as a late
1:02:33
Speaker 1: round kind of thanks for my Matthew, appreciate um, you know,
1:02:35
Speaker 1: speed a little bit bigger smart of slot out of
1:02:39
Speaker 1: you know, speed out of the slot. Yeah, you're a
1:02:40
Speaker 1: little bit of concern. I think with his Senior Bowl week,
1:02:43
Speaker 1: he didn't didn't like wow me with separation and one
1:02:47
Speaker 1: on ones. And that's that's the type of if you're
1:02:50
Speaker 1: going to be a good receiver, like you'd like to
1:02:51
Speaker 1: hope to think that in a one on one drill
1:02:53
Speaker 1: in practice that you can get open a little bit.
1:02:56
Speaker 1: He got to open on the vertical plane, but I
1:02:58
Speaker 1: didn't see a ton of horizontal separation. I just think
1:03:02
Speaker 1: that I like him as a player, as a mid
1:03:04
Speaker 1: round guy that you just take a flyer on in
1:03:06
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth round. No problem with that whatsoever.
1:03:09
Speaker 1: But I do think that you'd like to aim a
1:03:11
Speaker 1: little bit higher. If you're the Patriots. Then if they
1:03:13
Speaker 1: go out and they trade for DeAndre Hopkins and they
1:03:16
Speaker 1: draft Trey Palmer in the end of the fourth round,
1:03:17
Speaker 1: I'm not going to complain, Like, I'm not going to
1:03:19
Speaker 1: say that that was a bad I'm pack him in
1:03:20
Speaker 1: the third and tell us he's going to be he's
1:03:22
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, right, Uh, what do you think, Paul?
1:03:24
Speaker 1: You want to you can take Let's clear the board here,
1:03:28
Speaker 1: let's clear the board. I got Mark out in Bolton. Hey, Mark, Oh, hey, guys,
1:03:33
Speaker 1: um As, Paul always been in on Tremaine Edemands as
1:03:37
Speaker 1: my number one free agency sign signing, So I'm with
1:03:41
Speaker 1: Evan on that one. Um. I'm also making the case
1:03:44
Speaker 1: for Juwan Taylor at right tackle because of his pass blocking,
1:03:49
Speaker 1: his run blocking is definitely lacking. So my question for
1:03:53
Speaker 1: Evan is, you know, with Clem's emphasis on violence in
1:03:58
Speaker 1: his teaching philosophy, can he improve Taylor in the run
1:04:03
Speaker 1: game or is it more game more about want too technique.
1:04:10
Speaker 1: I definitely think it's more about want too in some respects.
1:04:13
Speaker 1: I mean, run blocking is a mentality like running the
1:04:16
Speaker 1: football in general. Is a mentality. It's one of the
1:04:19
Speaker 1: old The only like old football tropes that I still
1:04:22
Speaker 1: think is true is that running the football is Jowan Taylor.
1:04:25
Speaker 1: He nailed it though a really high level pass protector,
1:04:29
Speaker 1: not a people mover in the run game. I think
1:04:31
Speaker 1: he could get there with some technical stuff. When you
1:04:33
Speaker 1: look at run game, it's always hand placement and pad level,
1:04:36
Speaker 1: Like if you don't if you're not the lowest guy
1:04:38
Speaker 1: at the point of attack, then you're not going to
1:04:40
Speaker 1: move people off the line of scrimmage. I think that's
1:04:42
Speaker 1: probably his biggest problem. But I look at them, they're
1:04:45
Speaker 1: types right at left and right tackle. Typically the pass
1:04:48
Speaker 1: blockers they like to play at left tackle, and the
1:04:51
Speaker 1: guys that are the bulldozers play on the right side.
1:04:53
Speaker 1: So if they stick to that mold, then I don't
1:04:56
Speaker 1: know if Taylor is necessarily their their right tackle that
1:05:00
Speaker 1: they would like. But he's got thirty five inch arms,
1:05:03
Speaker 1: he's got to build it in the feet to play
1:05:05
Speaker 1: on the left side. I don't love signing a guy
1:05:07
Speaker 1: to a big contract and then flipping him immediately, but
1:05:10
Speaker 1: if you feel like maybe he's a better a bet
1:05:12
Speaker 1: for you in your scheme at left tackle, it's I
1:05:15
Speaker 1: like the player, so I would be fine with them
1:05:17
Speaker 1: bringing him in. I would be interested to see how
1:05:19
Speaker 1: they they change things up if they don't want him
1:05:22
Speaker 1: to if they want to play him at right tackle
1:05:24
Speaker 1: and he's not the bulldozer type, how do they change
1:05:26
Speaker 1: it up or if they switch him? All right, let's
1:05:28
Speaker 1: grab one more here before we take a break for lunch.
1:05:30
Speaker 1: Mike from Puerto Rico. Hey, Mike, Hey, guys, how are
1:05:33
Speaker 1: you doing? Good? Good a friend? Not around? No? Not today? Sorry?
1:05:38
Speaker 1: You gonna talk to Duce? Okay? So who sorry you?
1:05:42
Speaker 1: I hear? Evan is al Yeah, we got Mike, Evan
1:05:44
Speaker 1: and Paul. Okay. Um, I have to do some m
1:05:50
Speaker 1: this is off topic, um, offseason topic. Nice, but I
1:05:53
Speaker 1: have to do conduct some interviews next week for an
1:05:56
Speaker 1: employee hire. And I heard some of the conversation last
1:05:59
Speaker 1: week the podcast about Fred's success with hiring and people
1:06:04
Speaker 1: that have been and no, but I wanted to ask y'all,
1:06:11
Speaker 1: if who what was the the interview question that you
1:06:17
Speaker 1: felt was the most effective during your process when you
1:06:21
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1:06:24
Speaker 1: were interviewed by Fred. I was and then for Duson
1:06:29
Speaker 1: and Evan who interviewed you guys. Yeah, I was. I
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1:06:34
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1:06:36
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1:06:38
Speaker 1: person was with all three of you. Yeah, I blame
1:06:40
Speaker 1: Mike for you saw Mike's fault. I don't what do
1:06:45
Speaker 1: you think which question out of that interview process which
1:06:48
Speaker 1: you interviewed for you found the most effective? Yeah, I
1:06:53
Speaker 1: don't remember. I don't. I wish I had something for you, Mike.
1:06:56
Speaker 1: It was twenty four years ago. All I remember is
1:06:59
Speaker 1: the staying on Fred's shirt. He had like a T
1:07:02
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1:07:05
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1:07:07
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1:07:08
Speaker 1: I remember it was, Fred said, how are you with
1:07:11
Speaker 1: hearing the word no? And by that point I had
1:07:14
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1:07:18
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1:07:21
Speaker 1: I have no problem or no. But that was, you know,
1:07:23
Speaker 1: just one for me, And that's you know something I
1:07:25
Speaker 1: think that anybody where you're trying to pitch ideas and
1:07:27
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1:07:29
Speaker 1: going to check every My interview was similar to when
1:07:32
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1:07:36
Speaker 1: mainstream media to the team media. That's a lot of
1:07:39
Speaker 1: my questions were based on that, and I know, in
1:07:41
Speaker 1: being part of Evan's process, we talked a lot about that. Yeah,
1:07:45
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1:07:46
Speaker 1: just how do we take what I was already doing
1:07:49
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1:07:53
Speaker 1: I think because you and I had already known each
1:07:55
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1:07:57
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1:08:00
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1:08:02
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1:08:05
Speaker 1: reporter now instead of somebody else. That's why we had
1:08:07
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1:08:09
Speaker 1: When we hired Mike, he was sitting right there. I
1:08:12
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1:08:15
Speaker 1: that was cool. I mean it was with the great,
1:08:17
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1:08:19
Speaker 1: Megan Bryan. I couldn't believe it. Uh, thanks Mike for
1:08:22
Speaker 1: the question. Uh, but yeah, we're still trying. Evan Evan
1:08:26
Speaker 1: still he had a taste of the real journalism, and
1:08:28
Speaker 1: it's it's still inside of him of like it is,
1:08:30
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1:08:33
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1:08:36
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1:08:38
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1:08:42
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1:08:46
Speaker 1: What do we do? When? How do we proceed with that?
1:08:48
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1:08:50
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1:08:55
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1:08:57
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1:09:00
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1:09:03
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1:09:06
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1:09:09
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1:09:12
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1:09:16
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1:09:19
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1:09:25
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1:09:35
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Speaker 1: great moments in history sometimes like that was a regular argument.
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1:19:16
Speaker 1: not really I don't think it's the best moments of
1:19:19
Speaker 1: the show. If you're yelling over each other as a listener,
1:19:23
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1:19:27
Speaker 1: were times I know this is going to surprise some people.
1:19:30
Speaker 1: But when I haven't argument with you that, I'm embarrassed
1:19:34
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1:19:37
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily. Actually I'm surprised. I can't believe I'm
1:19:43
Speaker 1: losing to this guy. That's another great moment from all Right,
1:19:51
Speaker 1: we're back here on Patriots Unfiltered, And wow, that was
1:19:53
Speaker 1: a quick first I guess seventy minutes on just free
1:19:57
Speaker 1: agency quarterbacks. I mean it's just such topical stuff. And
1:20:01
Speaker 1: you know how to compete and win in the NFL
1:20:03
Speaker 1: long term. I mean, there's no set way to do it.
1:20:05
Speaker 1: But man, also, that's why the off season shows. I
1:20:09
Speaker 1: think you're better. Yeah, I love the off season. You
1:20:12
Speaker 1: never except when you don't talk about football. Oh yeah,
1:20:14
Speaker 1: I mean you like talking about football in the off seas.
1:20:17
Speaker 1: So I was, Tim, we don't talk about football? Well yeah,
1:20:20
Speaker 1: one friends here, Um that was I was talking about
1:20:25
Speaker 1: the shows in the off season yesterday in my area
1:20:27
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1:20:31
Speaker 1: and I we'd like to call it the bowels of
1:20:33
Speaker 1: the organization. Um, And I was doing my my event
1:20:37
Speaker 1: when we were talking about like soap with a slot
1:20:41
Speaker 1: zone out, I might just come on for an hour
1:20:43
Speaker 1: for those let me know when this one passes. Yeah,
1:20:46
Speaker 1: we're not a soap on the slot comes up, you
1:20:47
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1:20:49
Speaker 1: you guys got Catch twenty two come up, so you know,
1:20:52
Speaker 1: stay tuned. And um, I told I told Matt, when
1:20:54
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1:20:55
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1:20:57
Speaker 1: I want to see where Barth's at with he would
1:20:59
Speaker 1: love to have our court back recycle, quarterback conversation. That's
1:21:02
Speaker 1: what I'd like to get. You will call in and
1:21:05
Speaker 1: yell at us about how wrong we are'll be great,
1:21:06
Speaker 1: which we could be. Yeah, yeah, which we could be.
1:21:08
Speaker 1: It won't be the first for me, that's for sure.
1:21:10
Speaker 1: But do you think there's a chance, Um, well, what
1:21:12
Speaker 1: do you think the chances are? Obviously there is a chance.
1:21:15
Speaker 1: What do you think the chances are that we're looking
1:21:17
Speaker 1: at an entirely new speaking of Catch twenty two, an
1:21:20
Speaker 1: entirely new set of specialists. That's that's definitely a bath question.
1:21:26
Speaker 1: We gotta you gotta team up on that one. So
1:21:29
Speaker 1: um you know hi? Uh the six one seven? As
1:21:33
Speaker 1: a question, what are the chances Alex that we have
1:21:36
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1:21:39
Speaker 1: get that in? I don't know how long do you have?
1:21:41
Speaker 1: I don't think any Thanks, I hang up and listen,
1:21:46
Speaker 1: go out and get it. I have heard, I have seen,
1:21:48
Speaker 1: I should say, a couple of mocks that have uh,
1:21:51
Speaker 1: not just a kicker, but a punter as well. And
1:21:54
Speaker 1: I mean there is a chance that Cardona doesn't come back.
1:21:57
Speaker 1: I think you probably will. But I wouldn't that be
1:21:59
Speaker 1: crazy if they just signed that Tucker Addington guy and
1:22:02
Speaker 1: like how we had something going here broing from Navy
1:22:04
Speaker 1: and then what happens? It seemed like forever and then
1:22:07
Speaker 1: the other guy the same exactly the same as it was.
1:22:10
Speaker 1: How dare you, Paul? How dare you? The punter kicker
1:22:14
Speaker 1: thing is is legit? I'm not. I'm actually not being facetious,
1:22:17
Speaker 1: like that's a day three legit need and mocked off
1:22:21
Speaker 1: one point zero. I had Jake Moody, the kicker from Michigan.
1:22:24
Speaker 1: Who have the other guy that everybody's on? No, no, no,
1:22:26
Speaker 1: So now in mock draft two point out, I put
1:22:29
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1:22:32
Speaker 1: kicker in the first one, punter in the second one.
1:22:34
Speaker 1: That's a protease. I'm not going to tell you who
1:22:36
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1:22:40
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1:22:42
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1:22:49
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1:22:52
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1:22:55
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1:22:58
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1:23:01
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1:23:03
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1:23:10
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1:23:13
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Speaker 1: away a T shirt with some kind of PU trivia post.
1:23:19
Speaker 1: Mike is like a little frazzled. Here, we're gonna, we're gonna,
1:23:21
Speaker 1: we're gonna look at this email and we're gonna go inside.
1:23:24
Speaker 1: We're gonna go outside. All right, let's go up to Canada. Hey,
1:23:27
Speaker 1: it's Sean. Hey Sean, are you doing? Hey, guys, how's
1:23:31
Speaker 1: it going? You know? I was never huge into college,
1:23:36
Speaker 1: but in twenty and fifteen I happened to watch Louisville
1:23:40
Speaker 1: and I fell in love with Jackson. I couldn't wait
1:23:42
Speaker 1: for him to come to the NFL. And then when
1:23:46
Speaker 1: he was on the board in the first round instead
1:23:48
Speaker 1: of when I wanted him. And then it was again
1:23:51
Speaker 1: on the board instead of Michelle, I wanted him. And
1:23:53
Speaker 1: I think he's great. I love him, but I don't
1:23:55
Speaker 1: think he's right for the Patriots. I think, I mean,
1:23:58
Speaker 1: at this point, you're not a team that's a playoff team,
1:24:02
Speaker 1: and it would be a waste to to go after him.
1:24:06
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to pay them a lot. You won't
1:24:07
Speaker 1: have money for other needs, and you have a lot
1:24:09
Speaker 1: of needs. So the best thing to do at this
1:24:12
Speaker 1: point is to try and put your investments to protect
1:24:16
Speaker 1: Mac and give them some weapons and let's see if
1:24:18
Speaker 1: he's for real, Because um, you know if Patty said,
1:24:21
Speaker 1: we don't know, we have to find out, that's our
1:24:23
Speaker 1: number one goal. All right, That's all I got. It is,
1:24:25
Speaker 1: thank you, Sean, appreciate. I mean, I think that the
1:24:28
Speaker 1: last part of what he said is probably the sound
1:24:31
Speaker 1: way to go about it. But don't you think they'd
1:24:33
Speaker 1: be a playoff team with lamar Ja? Yeah? They were
1:24:35
Speaker 1: one went away from a playoff team last year exactly.
1:24:39
Speaker 1: And I also just me and Potter and Lockstep on
1:24:43
Speaker 1: the cap thing, like, don't give me that they wouldn't
1:24:45
Speaker 1: have money to go out and upgrade the rest of
1:24:48
Speaker 1: the roster. They would have. Here's where I like, I
1:24:51
Speaker 1: do separate them because I do recognize they would absolutely
1:24:54
Speaker 1: have cap space to do whatever they wanted, which you're seeing. Oh,
1:24:57
Speaker 1: by the way, I haven't seen as many snarky people
1:25:00
Speaker 1: asking me about cap when I'm reading about so and
1:25:03
Speaker 1: so restructured is saving them eighteen million on the cap
1:25:06
Speaker 1: so and so restructured. That's why it's a fake cap.
1:25:08
Speaker 1: That's why the cap is crap, because there are countless
1:25:11
Speaker 1: ways to get Felger's napkin out and do the salary
1:25:14
Speaker 1: cap to get in compliance when you don't want the player,
1:25:19
Speaker 1: which evidently the Jets don't care about Braxton Barrios. You
1:25:24
Speaker 1: try to get him to restructure, he says no. When
1:25:26
Speaker 1: you say see you buy and you say five million,
1:25:30
Speaker 1: yeah right there, like just like that. But the money
1:25:33
Speaker 1: to me is, you know, if if they had to
1:25:35
Speaker 1: give them, say a cash outlay and some of the
1:25:39
Speaker 1: This is interesting too about the whole guarantee thing and
1:25:43
Speaker 1: that I forget what the actual percentage is, but when
1:25:46
Speaker 1: you guarantee your contract, the owner has to put that
1:25:49
Speaker 1: money in escrow for it. Got like the cash and
1:25:53
Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson, something like one hundred and eighty million
1:25:56
Speaker 1: that needs to be sitting in like NFL coffers, you know,
1:26:00
Speaker 1: like by September. Right. I had this explain to me,
1:26:03
Speaker 1: but as usual, there was math involved, so I was
1:26:06
Speaker 1: checked out. I was swimming upstream and had no idea
1:26:09
Speaker 1: what I was listening to. But I had this explain
1:26:12
Speaker 1: to me by people in finance, and they talked about
1:26:16
Speaker 1: some of those things and what they mean, and I
1:26:19
Speaker 1: think that might be a deterrent, you know, as much
1:26:21
Speaker 1: as the actual cash outlay. Not everybody just has like
1:26:25
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty million to say, oh oh, here
1:26:26
Speaker 1: you go. It's like, you know, me, I can pay
1:26:29
Speaker 1: you know, I can't pay three hundred and fifty thousand
1:26:32
Speaker 1: dollars from my house, but I can pay a couple
1:26:34
Speaker 1: of thousand dollars per month every month for thirty years
1:26:37
Speaker 1: to get it right, you know. And a lot of
1:26:39
Speaker 1: owners are like that, with a lot of zeros added
1:26:41
Speaker 1: on to the end. They have the money to pay
1:26:45
Speaker 1: for their franchise, obviously, but not necessarily to just say
1:26:48
Speaker 1: here you go. It's the whole Yeah, that's a totally
1:26:51
Speaker 1: fair point. And I should preface it by saying, I
1:26:54
Speaker 1: don't think that the Patriots are going to pay Lamar
1:26:56
Speaker 1: Jackson and then go out there and spend one hundred
1:26:58
Speaker 1: million dollars free ag Right, that's on top of it, right, Like,
1:27:01
Speaker 1: I don't think that. But in terms of filling holes,
1:27:04
Speaker 1: if you get a quarterback like Lamar Jackson, you hope
1:27:06
Speaker 1: that he fills some of those holes for you, Right, Like,
1:27:08
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your offensive line being maybe really
1:27:12
Speaker 1: good at run blocking but not so good at pass
1:27:14
Speaker 1: blocking isn't as a bit of a deal because he
1:27:16
Speaker 1: got Lamar Jackson running around back there now instead of
1:27:18
Speaker 1: a sitting duck. No, offense, and so I think that
1:27:20
Speaker 1: you look at those types of things and and uh,
1:27:26
Speaker 1: you hope, just like Brady did here for years that Okay,
1:27:29
Speaker 1: maybe our roster isn't as good over here, but we
1:27:32
Speaker 1: have the MVP of the league playing quarterback, so it
1:27:35
Speaker 1: doesn't make up as much of a of a big deal,
1:27:38
Speaker 1: you know, as it does. Now. All right, let's rittle
1:27:39
Speaker 1: through a few emails because they're they've been coming in.
1:27:41
Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody at the time that I can start making
1:27:43
Speaker 1: fun of Fred. He looks like he has important people
1:27:45
Speaker 1: with him. So we won't do it now, we we
1:27:47
Speaker 1: just we know the shows shows doing a lot better
1:27:49
Speaker 1: today without Fred dragging us down. Quick one here from
1:27:53
Speaker 1: Alex from Connecticut. Um, Evan, this is a simple one
1:27:56
Speaker 1: for us here, well, I mean all of us. I
1:27:58
Speaker 1: don't know why I just said, Evan, it's not x
1:28:00
Speaker 1: is and O thing. Um, it's not about football. So
1:28:03
Speaker 1: my question ran away and it's not. This is actually
1:28:08
Speaker 1: soap it's happening, and this is where I came up
1:28:12
Speaker 1: with it, right here in the studio. Um. So I
1:28:15
Speaker 1: simple question, though, and I think it's a good one.
1:28:17
Speaker 1: Not just would you rather the Patriots trade for a
1:28:19
Speaker 1: stud receiver and draft to tackle or sign a solid,
1:28:21
Speaker 1: solidified starting tackle and draft a receiver. He says that fourteen,
1:28:25
Speaker 1: Someone like Jazz said, but you know, just generally, do
1:28:27
Speaker 1: you have a feel for that, like, you know, do
1:28:29
Speaker 1: you have a preference, because I kind of feel like,
1:28:31
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's pluses and cons for both. I mean, certainly,
1:28:34
Speaker 1: with a young rookie receiver on a contract that you know,
1:28:37
Speaker 1: you got him for four years at that price, you're
1:28:39
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay a lot more to get that,
1:28:41
Speaker 1: you know, proven veteran receiver. But is money equal? Money's equal.
1:28:46
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the free agent receiver then. But that's
1:28:50
Speaker 1: easy to say without knowing exactly who it is. Yeah, yeah,
1:28:53
Speaker 1: I think that's always It makes these hypotheticals tough for me.
1:28:55
Speaker 1: It's who is it that we're talking about? But I
1:29:00
Speaker 1: don't know. I go back and forth on the tackles
1:29:02
Speaker 1: because I do look at the free agent crop of
1:29:04
Speaker 1: tackles and there's some really intriguing names there on this
1:29:07
Speaker 1: list of Orlando Brown now not franchise tagged McGlinchey, Caleb McGarry,
1:29:12
Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor. I think these are all guys that are upgrades,
1:29:15
Speaker 1: plug and play. Let's go, you know, at one of
1:29:18
Speaker 1: those two tackle spots. And I think that if you
1:29:21
Speaker 1: do that, then maybe in the draft you do free
1:29:24
Speaker 1: up that fourteenth overall pick to go wide receiver, to
1:29:27
Speaker 1: go best player available and not get caught in having
1:29:31
Speaker 1: to take a tackle. I think some of the issues
1:29:33
Speaker 1: that they've had over the last couple of years in
1:29:34
Speaker 1: the draft that it's been better. But last year I
1:29:37
Speaker 1: think is the perfect because they were caught and having
1:29:39
Speaker 1: to take a guard, or at least they felt that way.
1:29:42
Speaker 1: I don't think they were, but that's how they felt.
1:29:44
Speaker 1: So that's how you end up getting cold strange is
1:29:46
Speaker 1: because they needed a guard and he was the best
1:29:49
Speaker 1: guard available. I would just answer it by saying that
1:29:51
Speaker 1: if you're asking me, would I rather pick twenty million
1:29:53
Speaker 1: a year for a tackle, which is going to cost
1:29:56
Speaker 1: you to get one of these, you know, maybe fifteen
1:29:58
Speaker 1: for a guy like McGlinchey, right, but um or twenty
1:30:02
Speaker 1: million for a wide receiver. I'll take the wide receiver.
1:30:04
Speaker 1: But I need you know, like it can't just be
1:30:06
Speaker 1: like I don't want to pay Brandon Cooks twenty million,
1:30:10
Speaker 1: but I'll pay te Higgins twenty million. You know what
1:30:12
Speaker 1: I mean, it needs to be a receiver of you know,
1:30:15
Speaker 1: some level. I do love JSN. I do love him.
1:30:19
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a lot of people saying he's not
1:30:22
Speaker 1: going to be around at fourteen. Now I don't know
1:30:24
Speaker 1: about that, Like I no, I don't, I don't know.
1:30:27
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see the burst to pull away.
1:30:29
Speaker 1: But he's quick. I'm to the point now where my
1:30:32
Speaker 1: draft analysis is nowhere. Obviously it's nowhere near where you
1:30:34
Speaker 1: guys just came back from. But I now have definitively
1:30:39
Speaker 1: from the people that I've been reading somewhere in the
1:30:42
Speaker 1: neighborhood of thirty guys that are won't be available when
1:30:46
Speaker 1: the paper there's always there's so many top ten guys,
1:30:49
Speaker 1: there's like fifty fifty top json. I think that, I mean,
1:30:53
Speaker 1: he's he's as close as to what I would want,
1:30:56
Speaker 1: Like if he ran at the combine and that box
1:31:00
Speaker 1: two in the forty, then I would I would be
1:31:03
Speaker 1: all in on it. But I just can't wrap my
1:31:05
Speaker 1: head around and this is sort of what we were
1:31:06
Speaker 1: talking about on the Mock Draft Show. I can't wrap
1:31:08
Speaker 1: my head around Bill Belichick taking a receiver with the
1:31:11
Speaker 1: fourteenth overall pick like Bill just feels like we build
1:31:15
Speaker 1: inside out, you know, trenches, like that's that's where we start.
1:31:20
Speaker 1: And the receiver is like the cherry on top that
1:31:22
Speaker 1: especially him, which is not even like that receiver R
1:31:25
Speaker 1: like it's going to be a specific slot kind of guy.
1:31:27
Speaker 1: If they were picking in the top five and this
1:31:29
Speaker 1: was a year where Jamar Chase was in the draft
1:31:31
Speaker 1: or someone like that, that it would be one thing.
1:31:32
Speaker 1: But for a guy that's that's really just coming in
1:31:36
Speaker 1: to be a hyper uh you know, role player, And
1:31:38
Speaker 1: I mean just you know, guy is going to be
1:31:40
Speaker 1: a stud in the role that you're asking him to play.
1:31:42
Speaker 1: And I just see Bill wanting to build through the
1:31:44
Speaker 1: trenches and I just don't know what the I think
1:31:46
Speaker 1: the fourteenth overall pick would be too rich for him. Yeah,
1:31:50
Speaker 1: for a receiver going from Claire Um not surprising, hello
1:31:54
Speaker 1: Claire Hella Marine Um. But of course tight ends And
1:31:56
Speaker 1: she's right with the tight end class being so good
1:31:59
Speaker 1: this year that the Pats will draft the tight end
1:32:01
Speaker 1: at all. If so, how high do you think that
1:32:04
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver class being a little shallow, would
1:32:06
Speaker 1: that weapon be better picked as a tight end? I
1:32:09
Speaker 1: like where she's going and I hope so we both
1:32:12
Speaker 1: address tight end in our latest mock drafts. You a
1:32:14
Speaker 1: little bit higher than me. But there's a lot of
1:32:17
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in there that intrigue and you know,
1:32:19
Speaker 1: I and like Claire said, I wouldn't have a problem
1:32:21
Speaker 1: with just like maybe a move guy like all right,
1:32:23
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be gronk or he's not gonna be
1:32:25
Speaker 1: a blocking you know guy, but he's going to be
1:32:27
Speaker 1: a weapon for us. And I mean Dalton Kinkay probably gone.
1:32:29
Speaker 1: But but there are a couple of guys like that.
1:32:31
Speaker 1: I think the great part about this tight end class,
1:32:33
Speaker 1: Like if you see a mock draft that has Michael
1:32:36
Speaker 1: Mayer to the Patriots at fourteen, just don't pay attention
1:32:39
Speaker 1: to that mock draft, okay, because there's no reason whatsoever
1:32:44
Speaker 1: for the Patriots to take Michael Mayer at fourteen in
1:32:46
Speaker 1: this tight end class. Yeah, it just makes no sense whatsoever. Now,
1:32:50
Speaker 1: if they had an immediate need at tight end, and
1:32:53
Speaker 1: maybe I would, I could see it a little bit more.
1:32:55
Speaker 1: But you you mentioned some guys in that like third
1:32:57
Speaker 1: or fourth round area, like a Laporta or Schoonmaker or
1:33:01
Speaker 1: Zach Koontz from old old dominions. You have to say,
1:33:04
Speaker 1: like you have to say koons zakonsh that those guys
1:33:11
Speaker 1: are developmental great athletes. I think in other drafts maybe
1:33:15
Speaker 1: they're tight end one or two in their drafts, but
1:33:18
Speaker 1: in this draft they get pushed all the way down
1:33:20
Speaker 1: the board to like tight end five or six on
1:33:23
Speaker 1: Day two. Those guys all have starter upside. Now I
1:33:27
Speaker 1: say starter upside. The tight end bar for starter is
1:33:29
Speaker 1: pretty danglow. Like to be one of the best thirty
1:33:32
Speaker 1: two tight ends in the league, it's not really the
1:33:34
Speaker 1: highest of bars. I don't know if they're top tier
1:33:37
Speaker 1: tight ends, but I think all those guys could hold
1:33:39
Speaker 1: down the position of being your starting tight end. And
1:33:42
Speaker 1: let's say two years one, Hunter Henry and John Smith
1:33:44
Speaker 1: are not here, I think they will take a tight
1:33:46
Speaker 1: end I don't know, probably in the middle round somewhere.
1:33:49
Speaker 1: I think they take a lot of tight ends. They
1:33:51
Speaker 1: tend to that's position they tend to look at um.
1:33:55
Speaker 1: But I don't like the idea of you know, like
1:33:58
Speaker 1: I know, kids the city did it just want a title.
1:34:00
Speaker 1: I don't like that idea. I think you have to
1:34:02
Speaker 1: have a really special guy like Gronk Well Kelsey to
1:34:05
Speaker 1: do that to have the tight end be your primary weapon. Yeah,
1:34:09
Speaker 1: that's sort of why I'm of a mid round option
1:34:12
Speaker 1: I think might be better, just because I don't know
1:34:14
Speaker 1: if Mayor is I don't Mayor's not gronk. Okay, I
1:34:17
Speaker 1: know he wears eighty seven. I know he's a big guy.
1:34:20
Speaker 1: You know he plays tight end. He's not gronk. And
1:34:22
Speaker 1: if he's not going to be like that though, a
1:34:24
Speaker 1: Notre Dame guy, Yeah, if he's not going to be
1:34:26
Speaker 1: that type of guy, then I think you there's so
1:34:29
Speaker 1: many mid round options in this draft. You know, Tucker Craft, Schoonmaker,
1:34:33
Speaker 1: Coons koa steak, Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, serious. He
1:34:38
Speaker 1: was a serious football dude. Like you asked him a question.
1:34:41
Speaker 1: He's staring right at you. He of course, what did
1:34:43
Speaker 1: you just say? I said this on and he's I
1:34:45
Speaker 1: have like a thing that a serious football guy Like,
1:34:46
Speaker 1: it's like kind of the thing I'm like, this guy
1:34:48
Speaker 1: is just he's very serious about football. Like it's like Dante,
1:34:50
Speaker 1: Hi Tower, Kyle Dugger, like guys who aren't really jokey.
1:34:52
Speaker 1: They just you ask him a football and they're like
1:34:54
Speaker 1: football does serious? This tight end colass More hang ups.
1:34:57
Speaker 1: But I haven't known about like four years not to hang.
1:35:00
Speaker 1: That's a bonus. That's a bonus. All right, Special Team's guide.
1:35:03
Speaker 1: Just walk through the door, Paul, absolutely, Before we do that, though,
1:35:05
Speaker 1: we're going to give away a T shirt. Now, what
1:35:07
Speaker 1: are the rules? People have to email in correct? You
1:35:08
Speaker 1: have to email in the correct answer and um and
1:35:11
Speaker 1: Matt Murray dropped the wait till it's twenty five minutes
1:35:13
Speaker 1: left from the show, trying his best. Paul, Yeah, I'm
1:35:17
Speaker 1: doing my best here. I got all kinds of pressure.
1:35:21
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go on. This is loosely related
1:35:23
Speaker 1: to today. If you've been listening the whole time, the
1:35:25
Speaker 1: answer was was said at one point, Um, but here
1:35:28
Speaker 1: it is which member of the media smelled so good
1:35:32
Speaker 1: that Megan O'Brien wanted to bottle it like perfume? Remember
1:35:37
Speaker 1: that one, Paul, I do. This was a classic day.
1:35:38
Speaker 1: I do as uh So, go ahead, email Matt Morrell.
1:35:41
Speaker 1: What is it web radio at Patriots dot com. Send
1:35:44
Speaker 1: it on in if you want to get a jump
1:35:46
Speaker 1: on punter kicker long snapper time. Now the time down,
1:35:49
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're welcoming in here. I think it's his
1:35:51
Speaker 1: first Patriots My station on Alex Barth, I have to say, Alex,
1:35:57
Speaker 1: it was a travesty that you were not at the
1:35:59
Speaker 1: Scout Combine. I feel like if Evan and I were there,
1:36:02
Speaker 1: you no one like you eat it up as much
1:36:04
Speaker 1: as we do. You should have been there. But I'm
1:36:06
Speaker 1: sure you were back here just getting all kinds of information.
1:36:09
Speaker 1: I'm sure Evan was feeding you some as well. UM,
1:36:11
Speaker 1: just first off before because we really want asked about
1:36:13
Speaker 1: special teams, what'd you take away from the combine? Takeaways? UM,
1:36:17
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of You know, sometimes you
1:36:20
Speaker 1: go into the combine and things change a lot. Like
1:36:21
Speaker 1: I remember last year the linebacker position, we were all
1:36:24
Speaker 1: super down on it and then everybody tested through the
1:36:26
Speaker 1: roof and all of a sudden it was WHOA look
1:36:28
Speaker 1: at this class. Uh. I think this year it was
1:36:31
Speaker 1: really just confirming a lot of what we already believed
1:36:33
Speaker 1: the strong positions corner, tight end, offensive line. Uh. Some
1:36:37
Speaker 1: of the positions we don't believe are as strong linebacker,
1:36:40
Speaker 1: wide receiver. It really felt like a lot of just Okay,
1:36:43
Speaker 1: the eye test this year watching these guys during the
1:36:46
Speaker 1: season turned out to be pretty much spot on. A
1:36:49
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are sort of what we expected. Oh,
1:36:52
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Paul. It's got a question though about specially Okay,
1:36:55
Speaker 1: I made made him hold on, No, no, you want
1:37:00
Speaker 1: to ask, So I just threw it out there. Um,
1:37:03
Speaker 1: obviously there's a chance. But do you think the Patriots
1:37:08
Speaker 1: will turn over all three spots of specialists? Oh? That's well,
1:37:14
Speaker 1: so it's exciting. Thank you for the question. Okay, I'm
1:37:18
Speaker 1: gonna go back to my office, kicker. I think there's
1:37:21
Speaker 1: a good chancey punter. It depends if if with the
1:37:26
Speaker 1: Jake Bailey's appealing that suspension, right, so, we haven't gotten
1:37:29
Speaker 1: any update on that. It's it would be tough to
1:37:31
Speaker 1: move on from him if he wins that appeal and
1:37:34
Speaker 1: that money goes back on the books. So TVD on
1:37:37
Speaker 1: that one. But like if he loses that and there's
1:37:40
Speaker 1: no guaranteed money, I could see it and they Tucker
1:37:43
Speaker 1: Addington was the long snapper they signed late in the
1:37:45
Speaker 1: year last year, right, they sign him too, a multi
1:37:47
Speaker 1: year deal. So does that countess turning over if it's him,
1:37:52
Speaker 1: it's not Folk Bailey, Joe Cardona disrespect coming from Barth
1:37:56
Speaker 1: right now. No, I'm just I'm just asking that's a
1:37:59
Speaker 1: fair question, adding to finish the year. But I'm saying,
1:38:03
Speaker 1: no Bailey, no Cardona. I think there's a chance. I
1:38:07
Speaker 1: definitely think there's a chance. Cardona would be the most
1:38:10
Speaker 1: surprising one to me, even though he is the only
1:38:12
Speaker 1: one that doesn't have a contract. Um, you know, kind
1:38:14
Speaker 1: of when we get to the end of the summer,
1:38:16
Speaker 1: we're still here. He did go Navy. I think they're
1:38:19
Speaker 1: day Mike, I didn't. We weren't aware of that. Did
1:38:23
Speaker 1: he play lacrosse? No? If you're gonna overturn the other two,
1:38:26
Speaker 1: like we, chemistry is so important right between those three spots.
1:38:30
Speaker 1: And to have three brand new guys, and if two
1:38:32
Speaker 1: of them are gonna be rookies, that's asking a lot.
1:38:35
Speaker 1: So uh, if it was last year, I'd feel a
1:38:37
Speaker 1: lot better because last year there was actually a long
1:38:39
Speaker 1: snapper in the draft who was like draftable. Yeah, this year,
1:38:46
Speaker 1: what do you think it looks like? Though? I mean,
1:38:47
Speaker 1: you signed Jake Bailey that extension last year? I mean,
1:38:49
Speaker 1: does that really if you if you don't bring him
1:38:51
Speaker 1: back this year after signing to to that extension. How
1:38:54
Speaker 1: he's been kind of playing, He's been injured a little bit.
1:38:56
Speaker 1: He wasn't really in the lineup last year, it looks
1:38:58
Speaker 1: pretty bad, right, you gotta you gotta move on from
1:39:00
Speaker 1: him a year after signing him to that extension. Is
1:39:02
Speaker 1: that any kind of consideration of, like, I mean, we
1:39:05
Speaker 1: just just signed this guy, like they must have liked
1:39:06
Speaker 1: something about him, and I give you a little they
1:39:09
Speaker 1: didn't really want to give him that contract for the
1:39:11
Speaker 1: first place. Kind of well, and thank you very much.
1:39:14
Speaker 1: Statistically though, he's been like one of the worst punters
1:39:16
Speaker 1: in the league for two years and they still gave
1:39:18
Speaker 1: him the contracts in a very weird contract. Last twenty
1:39:22
Speaker 1: twenty one wasn't as bad last year. He was bottom
1:39:24
Speaker 1: three in most major last ye good. And I just
1:39:28
Speaker 1: gotta say, we do have an answer. We do have
1:39:30
Speaker 1: a winning answer. Um and uh to the person who
1:39:33
Speaker 1: wrote in Greg Bdard, how dare you? Um? Uh, it
1:39:37
Speaker 1: looks like Addison that was tongue in cheek Addison Ankram
1:39:41
Speaker 1: from Fresno looks like he won with Mike Giardi. Yes,
1:39:44
Speaker 1: Mike Giardi was the Uh forgot that was a fun day.
1:39:46
Speaker 1: I remember chatting about that and she's like, I wish
1:39:48
Speaker 1: I could just bar And then it became a whole
1:39:50
Speaker 1: like we were doing a whole ad of like Mike
1:39:51
Speaker 1: Grd like U curious it was spons I'm just sure
1:39:56
Speaker 1: he's just a little curious. Oh boy, Jake in his head,
1:40:00
Speaker 1: this is not football. No, No, Mike Giordi smells wonderful. Absolutely,
1:40:05
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. I'm not gonna say so good.
1:40:09
Speaker 1: I can actually smell him through the TV when he's hosting.
1:40:12
Speaker 1: Can I ask Alex one more real football question? And
1:40:14
Speaker 1: not about Miciardi sent? Okay, I know it's we all
1:40:18
Speaker 1: know Jake Moody, Yeah, we all know Michael Turk. Yeah,
1:40:22
Speaker 1: your guy who Who's who's the Who's the second best
1:40:25
Speaker 1: kicker and the second best punter in the draft. So
1:40:29
Speaker 1: for them, right because they like kickers you've kicked in
1:40:31
Speaker 1: cold weather and all that. Um, I think it's between
1:40:34
Speaker 1: Noah Ruggles from Ohio State and Chad Ryland of Maryland.
1:40:36
Speaker 1: Who are the two Senior Bowl kickers. The Maryland guy
1:40:39
Speaker 1: is the one that Callahan had it. I was gonna say,
1:40:41
Speaker 1: I like Ryland. I he got put in some tough spots.
1:40:44
Speaker 1: There's a lot of close games, so he's kind of
1:40:46
Speaker 1: got that thing where he's kicked some clutch kicks. You're
1:40:49
Speaker 1: the Ohio State kicker. There's not that much riding on you, right,
1:40:52
Speaker 1: so sixty and when there was yeah, he didn't even
1:40:57
Speaker 1: yeah didn't didn't he miss the kick? In the college
1:40:59
Speaker 1: football players, you're right at midnight at midnight that was
1:41:03
Speaker 1: I just want to let everybody know. I was at
1:41:04
Speaker 1: a wedding then. I don't know if I've gotten that
1:41:06
Speaker 1: off my chest enough. Oh no, who We were both
1:41:09
Speaker 1: watching at the same time, and I was just like
1:41:11
Speaker 1: two classics. And because they like milk the clock to
1:41:14
Speaker 1: give him the like, they didn't even try to get
1:41:16
Speaker 1: probably could have picked up some more yards. They just
1:41:18
Speaker 1: wanted to kick it. They wanted to kick to line up.
1:41:20
Speaker 1: If you watch it, somebody sync it up. He kicks
1:41:22
Speaker 1: the ball like as Midnight hits. That's what they cared about.
1:41:26
Speaker 1: The shots. There's shots at parties of people. It's the
1:41:29
Speaker 1: most patriots thing ever. Only they get it. They got cute.
1:41:32
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, if you start dark side of the
1:41:34
Speaker 1: mood right at the third quarter, yeah, build the ball dropped.
1:41:39
Speaker 1: I was that New year party. Did you see his
1:41:41
Speaker 1: balls dropped? And then he kicked the field goal right
1:41:44
Speaker 1: as the ball dropped. I was at a New Year's
1:41:46
Speaker 1: party and there was some of us that cuddled around
1:41:48
Speaker 1: a foam in the corner watching the game, and we
1:41:50
Speaker 1: all start cheering and we hear everybody else. We're like,
1:41:52
Speaker 1: did you turn the game on? They're like, no, it's midnight.
1:41:54
Speaker 1: You were like, oh, as for the pud his football
1:42:00
Speaker 1: had a lot of New Years parties watching those college
1:42:02
Speaker 1: football They need to move it off. I can't wait.
1:42:04
Speaker 1: They need to move it off midnight New Year's or
1:42:06
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, New Year's Day, Fine, that's fun New
1:42:09
Speaker 1: Year's Eve. Not somebody. You know, if I was just
1:42:10
Speaker 1: complaining about the timing of the game, someone you're losing
1:42:14
Speaker 1: your They get he's watching when it coincides for the weekend,
1:42:19
Speaker 1: because then the NFL is obviously going to get the
1:42:22
Speaker 1: precedence of the day, right, They won't. It's better when
1:42:26
Speaker 1: they can move it off New Year's Eve punter punter
1:42:29
Speaker 1: Bryce Berenger from Michigan State had a really you don't
1:42:31
Speaker 1: like the Rutgers punter. I like the Rucker. He's he's third.
1:42:35
Speaker 1: You asked me who the second best was. I thought
1:42:37
Speaker 1: Bearinger had a really good well because Mike and I
1:42:41
Speaker 1: talked to the Rutgers punter because like there's a punter
1:42:43
Speaker 1: from Rutgers and the Patriots might need a punter. Yeah.
1:42:47
Speaker 1: And he was talking about Corsic is his name right, Yeah? Yeah,
1:42:50
Speaker 1: And he was talking about how he's an Auzzi style punter,
1:42:54
Speaker 1: but he also has the regular punter in his bag too,
1:42:57
Speaker 1: so he can like change it up on you. He
1:42:58
Speaker 1: can do line drive and boom it like he can
1:43:01
Speaker 1: do everything. I'm like, oh, that's like a Bill Belichick.
1:43:03
Speaker 1: Here's remember bat Rutgers that they haven't drafted a player
1:43:06
Speaker 1: from Rutgers and over a decade. Yeah, it's like this
1:43:08
Speaker 1: thing people say it. Look if there's a year to
1:43:10
Speaker 1: do it. There's a couple of good Rutgers players this year.
1:43:13
Speaker 1: But it's like we're all in on on Picheco bow Melton,
1:43:17
Speaker 1: right like other Rutgers guys. Last year that they didn't
1:43:19
Speaker 1: drast would have been a year we're gonna be good
1:43:22
Speaker 1: at Wait in the show, all right, let's let's run
1:43:24
Speaker 1: back to the phone's here real quick because we're coming
1:43:26
Speaker 1: down the home stretch here on a Thursday show. Let's
1:43:28
Speaker 1: go over to RAJ and Boston. Hey, Rob Harty, dang it,
1:43:33
Speaker 1: Jow Patty hung on for like forty minutes and rog
1:43:36
Speaker 1: could only you only make about ten minutes. Uh, well,
1:43:39
Speaker 1: I'm in films out too. I read your email and
1:43:41
Speaker 1: and that's what you give me. Thanks for nothing. Uh finally,
1:43:45
Speaker 1: Jerry from North Carolina. Hello Jerry there. He is at
1:43:52
Speaker 1: work right now, but I have that luxury Um Jerry quick,
1:43:59
Speaker 1: um question. So what do you all think about? Um?
1:44:03
Speaker 1: The Patriots just going all in just for one year?
1:44:06
Speaker 1: Just go all in and sign d Hop and Odell
1:44:10
Speaker 1: give him both three years sixty million dollar deals. That's
1:44:14
Speaker 1: fully instantive based based off of their performance and contribution
1:44:19
Speaker 1: to the team. Well, I mean, I'm all in on
1:44:22
Speaker 1: d Hop. I don't. I'll let you guys jump on
1:44:24
Speaker 1: the other ones. But I'd take Tea Hop for sure.
1:44:25
Speaker 1: I mean Odell I take I would take him. I
1:44:28
Speaker 1: don't know if you get both. I don't. Yeah, I
1:44:29
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna sign both. Thanks you. He We
1:44:33
Speaker 1: had many of debates about Hunter Henry versus Johnny Smith,
1:44:36
Speaker 1: and they ended up signing both. I'm just saying I
1:44:38
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know about Odell Odell. That one
1:44:43
Speaker 1: worries me a little bit coming off the injury. How
1:44:47
Speaker 1: much does he really have left in the tank. I'm
1:44:49
Speaker 1: willing to take a flyer on him if it's sort
1:44:51
Speaker 1: of a pay as you go type of contrary and
1:44:54
Speaker 1: incentive to use his um Jerry's example, I mean, Odell
1:44:59
Speaker 1: Beckham might be in a position and where he's not
1:45:00
Speaker 1: going to get the guaranteed money. He might have to
1:45:02
Speaker 1: take that. Hopkins isn't. No, well, Hopkins, is he giving
1:45:06
Speaker 1: you a break? So he was on one of the
1:45:08
Speaker 1: shows yesterday and he mentioned that he's he's not necessarily
1:45:11
Speaker 1: even looking for a new contract, which isn't a bad
1:45:14
Speaker 1: thing for the team that acquires him, because his contract
1:45:16
Speaker 1: is pretty reasonable for the team that's trading for him.
1:45:18
Speaker 1: But he's not necessarily in the boat of you need
1:45:22
Speaker 1: to trade for me and then give me a whole
1:45:25
Speaker 1: new contract. Actually I believe, Yeah, it's not in the
1:45:28
Speaker 1: business of giving money back. No, and incentives are giving
1:45:31
Speaker 1: money back. No. No, I think you're playing you're trading
1:45:34
Speaker 1: for Hopkins. I think you're trading for him on that
1:45:37
Speaker 1: contract that I think it's like two years, fifty four million,
1:45:40
Speaker 1: but not all of it's guaranteed. His year one cap
1:45:43
Speaker 1: hit this year I think would be a little bit
1:45:45
Speaker 1: over nineteen million. If you were to acquire him. I
1:45:48
Speaker 1: think that's what you're looking at. Hopkins. Well, my apologize
1:45:52
Speaker 1: to Rage because he was actually just calling in to
1:45:54
Speaker 1: get a jump on catch twenty two. He don't want
1:45:55
Speaker 1: to talk to us, Paul. He's waiting for these two
1:45:57
Speaker 1: guys right here. So he's going to hang out for
1:45:59
Speaker 1: a little bit about fifteen minutes and he'll he'll wait
1:46:01
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys can get to him. The women, Um,
1:46:06
Speaker 1: couple couple more emails here, question um, and I like
1:46:09
Speaker 1: this one. Is it possible? This is from Peter? Uh?
1:46:13
Speaker 1: Is it possible? Bill trades back in the first round
1:46:15
Speaker 1: to mid twenties, grabs a bunch of picks and then
1:46:17
Speaker 1: grabs a Darryl Darnell Wright. Uh, feel better? Don't gives
1:46:22
Speaker 1: them a chance to beef up second, third or fourth
1:46:25
Speaker 1: round picks for Kountz, Jack Campbell, Mouk and some six
1:46:29
Speaker 1: one cornerbacks. I mean, I talked a little about with
1:46:32
Speaker 1: with you about this where it seems like you could
1:46:34
Speaker 1: get to that point at fourteen and you feel like,
1:46:36
Speaker 1: I don't really like any of the tackles. I'm not
1:46:38
Speaker 1: really sold. Maybe on Joey Porter Junior. Christian Gonzalez has
1:46:42
Speaker 1: already gone and it's way too early to take JSN
1:46:44
Speaker 1: or any of the receivers. Um, I could kind of
1:46:47
Speaker 1: see it, right, I mean they could definitely. This is
1:46:51
Speaker 1: a classic Belichick trade down draft. I hate that, like
1:46:55
Speaker 1: I hate that. That's that we're making it this easy
1:46:57
Speaker 1: on him to do what he wants to do. But yeah,
1:47:00
Speaker 1: this is a classic Belichick trade down draft in my mind.
1:47:02
Speaker 1: Do you say that? I mean, I agree, But do
1:47:04
Speaker 1: you say that because of the positions that the Patriots
1:47:07
Speaker 1: are looking for specifically, or because of the talent available specifically? Yeah,
1:47:12
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it more of we go back to
1:47:15
Speaker 1: the blue chip thing, right Like. That's why I'm asking
1:47:17
Speaker 1: that at fourteen, I want them to come away with
1:47:20
Speaker 1: a premium talent, like, not somebody that is get a
1:47:24
Speaker 1: fillow role for them and might be a good player
1:47:27
Speaker 1: throughout the course of his rookie contract. I want them
1:47:30
Speaker 1: to be in the market for somebody at fourteen that
1:47:33
Speaker 1: we are giving a second contract too, and we're not
1:47:35
Speaker 1: at thinking twice about it, right like that That's the
1:47:37
Speaker 1: way that it should be looked at. And if you
1:47:39
Speaker 1: move down the board, yeah, maybe Darnell right oho, I
1:47:42
Speaker 1: love ends up being your right tackle, and he's a
1:47:45
Speaker 1: stud and everything works out perfectly fine. But I would
1:47:48
Speaker 1: much rather stick at fourteen and even take a player
1:47:51
Speaker 1: that is not necessarily a major, major need, but it's
1:47:55
Speaker 1: still somebody that is in that category of he's just
1:47:58
Speaker 1: going to be a star. Yeah, So the other part
1:48:00
Speaker 1: part two of this, wait a second, you haven't heard
1:48:02
Speaker 1: it yet, don't give up. Um. A lot of people
1:48:06
Speaker 1: have said the blue chip thing, there's not a ton
1:48:10
Speaker 1: of high end talent in this draft, right. I think
1:48:12
Speaker 1: most Moost experts are an agreement on that. What do
1:48:15
Speaker 1: they say about the overall depth of the draft the
1:48:18
Speaker 1: class itself? But there were a lot of good players
1:48:20
Speaker 1: or yeah, I think at certain positions, like Alex was
1:48:23
Speaker 1: saying with the combine, you look at corner, you look
1:48:26
Speaker 1: at tight end, I think tackle those guys, a lot
1:48:29
Speaker 1: of them are moving up the board now into the
1:48:31
Speaker 1: first round conversation. Like Darnel Right a month ago was
1:48:34
Speaker 1: a second round pick. He had a great senior bowl,
1:48:36
Speaker 1: had a great combine. Now all of a sudden he's
1:48:38
Speaker 1: like the end of the first round, early second I
1:48:41
Speaker 1: think tackle has some really good a talent in the
1:48:44
Speaker 1: first fifty picks. I don't know about the depth, and
1:48:46
Speaker 1: then I would also point to edge, like Alexe, I
1:48:49
Speaker 1: mean we've looked at Edge, maybe not as like a
1:48:51
Speaker 1: big need for the Patriots, but you look at top
1:48:54
Speaker 1: fifty like maybe it's really really talked highly. Yeah, it
1:48:59
Speaker 1: was Corners tight ends Edge because Edge has in this draft,
1:49:04
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, like there's not a ton of those
1:49:07
Speaker 1: big you know, there's no Jamar Chase at receiver, there's
1:49:10
Speaker 1: no there's no those plays. But Will Anderson is one
1:49:13
Speaker 1: of those guys at edge. And then it goes all
1:49:16
Speaker 1: the way back into the second and third round with
1:49:18
Speaker 1: options there as well. So I think the edge is
1:49:20
Speaker 1: a really strong class as well. This is a classic
1:49:23
Speaker 1: Fred and Paul day two ish of the draft argument.
1:49:27
Speaker 1: You know, just to get us through when we're you know,
1:49:29
Speaker 1: we're starting, you know, it's starting to hit in the
1:49:31
Speaker 1: five hour energies have worn off. That's a very common thing.
1:49:35
Speaker 1: Let's trade down, Alex, Right, let's let's move down and
1:49:38
Speaker 1: get extra picks. And I always say, well that that's
1:49:41
Speaker 1: great in theory, and I like the idea, but now
1:49:44
Speaker 1: you're telling you're telling me that the overall strength of
1:49:46
Speaker 1: this class isn't great. So now we're gonna add more
1:49:49
Speaker 1: picks and are not so great, you know, top end
1:49:52
Speaker 1: of the draft. Or the second part of that is,
1:49:56
Speaker 1: if I have a lot of picks, like the Patriots
1:49:58
Speaker 1: typically do and certainly do this year with eleven, why
1:50:01
Speaker 1: not package some of those picks to move up a
1:50:03
Speaker 1: little bit. And I'm not saying from fourteen you don't
1:50:05
Speaker 1: have to make like a big splash trade, but why
1:50:09
Speaker 1: not take a couple of year lower picks and move
1:50:11
Speaker 1: up and better ensure that you get what a lot
1:50:15
Speaker 1: of people say is a smaller class of high end talent. Well,
1:50:18
Speaker 1: let me give you in terms of trading up. You
1:50:21
Speaker 1: talking about this is a classic Bill Belichick trade down
1:50:23
Speaker 1: in the first draft. Yeah, I see it. I understand
1:50:25
Speaker 1: what people are talking. I also think it really the
1:50:29
Speaker 1: class really suggests towards making one of those Christian Barmore trades.
1:50:33
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a lot of players who
1:50:34
Speaker 1: are good, who they would like, who are going to
1:50:37
Speaker 1: go in that like thirty two to forty ranges. Guys
1:50:39
Speaker 1: like Darnelle Washington, Guys like Jimir Gibbs, Right, players like that,
1:50:43
Speaker 1: Josh Downs, the wide receiver from UNC. So do they
1:50:46
Speaker 1: make a move maybe up in the second round and round.
1:50:50
Speaker 1: The other thing I'd say, in terms of the trading
1:50:52
Speaker 1: the pick in trading down. So if they make the
1:50:56
Speaker 1: move for Hopkins, right, it sounds like the price is
1:50:58
Speaker 1: gonna be a second round pick. Do they try to
1:51:00
Speaker 1: do a best of both worlds thing? You trade forty
1:51:02
Speaker 1: six for Hopkins, You then trade down from like fourteen
1:51:05
Speaker 1: to twenty and get bat for a pick back in
1:51:08
Speaker 1: the top fifty. So you still have your first and
1:51:10
Speaker 1: second and you get Hopkins. You just moved down a
1:51:12
Speaker 1: little in the first That's sort of what I didn't
1:51:14
Speaker 1: want to throw too many trades into my mock draft
1:51:16
Speaker 1: and get too crazy with it. But that's kind of
1:51:19
Speaker 1: where I was going with it. Is because I think
1:51:22
Speaker 1: Anton Harrison is a perfect guy that I would probably
1:51:26
Speaker 1: rather take in the twenties. But I'm but he's talented
1:51:29
Speaker 1: enough if you have to take him at fourteen, I'd
1:51:31
Speaker 1: be okay with him at fourteen, But you moved down
1:51:34
Speaker 1: taking Anton Harrison. Take a Darnel right, take a Dwan Jones,
1:51:37
Speaker 1: who we both really like from Ohio State in the twenties,
1:51:40
Speaker 1: and then maybe replenish some of the picks that you
1:51:42
Speaker 1: get from trading for a receiver like Hopkins. I just
1:51:44
Speaker 1: think you look at those three fourth round picks, which
1:51:47
Speaker 1: are you know, kind of sporadic, and you can package
1:51:49
Speaker 1: that second round or with one of those fourths and
1:51:52
Speaker 1: really get wherever you want in the second round. So yeah,
1:51:54
Speaker 1: I think that the potentials there. That's what I did,
1:51:57
Speaker 1: and my mock was, I went up to get somebody
1:51:59
Speaker 1: that you really like in that early for Balmore, I
1:52:02
Speaker 1: think it was a second and two fifths, is that
1:52:04
Speaker 1: what it was. I think that it might have been
1:52:06
Speaker 1: a second and two fourths. But like they can, we
1:52:08
Speaker 1: love the trade ups, they have elimination, you know, we
1:52:11
Speaker 1: don't love a lot of six and seventh round picks,
1:52:13
Speaker 1: and they got about four of them, right, they don't
1:52:15
Speaker 1: have any seventh they have one. Well they're projective projected
1:52:19
Speaker 1: so well that well, that was really where they got Paul.
1:52:23
Speaker 1: This is one time where it didn't all work out
1:52:25
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, Okay, because J. C. Jackson was supposed
1:52:28
Speaker 1: to be JAC Jackson was supposed to be a third
1:52:31
Speaker 1: round comp pick when he was supposed to be the
1:52:33
Speaker 1: top Yeah, now they're gonna probably get a fourth round
1:52:38
Speaker 1: comp pick for jac because he didn't play. Because you're
1:52:40
Speaker 1: not play okay, which I don't think is fair. Like
1:52:43
Speaker 1: he gave him the contract like that, the compis a
1:52:46
Speaker 1: base on the contract because you lost the guy, like
1:52:48
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Chargers that he didn't play, Like that's not,
1:52:51
Speaker 1: that's not. Our problems in general are in my top
1:52:54
Speaker 1: five of the worst things about football. I like the compis.
1:52:58
Speaker 1: I think it's absurd that you encourage teams to let
1:53:01
Speaker 1: their players go. So you say, I'm going to give
1:53:04
Speaker 1: you extra draft picks because you don't want to pay
1:53:07
Speaker 1: your players and you're just gonna let them go. But
1:53:09
Speaker 1: it's like Baseball, like how many times in that like
1:53:12
Speaker 1: the last ten fifteen years, and they've altered some of
1:53:15
Speaker 1: these rules because of it with all baseball drafts. You
1:53:18
Speaker 1: try to explain the baseball drafts, if you make a
1:53:20
Speaker 1: qualifying offer to a guy you know, then you can
1:53:22
Speaker 1: just let them go. Well, why should you reward a
1:53:25
Speaker 1: team for letting diffree agents go. Yeah, I understand where
1:53:28
Speaker 1: you're coming from. But if they get that, if that
1:53:30
Speaker 1: compic does hit at the end of the fourth round,
1:53:34
Speaker 1: it's kind of a free pick, like you just here
1:53:36
Speaker 1: you go, like, here's a fourth round pick, and if
1:53:39
Speaker 1: you end up putting that into a deal where you
1:53:41
Speaker 1: package something to either move up or it goes to
1:53:43
Speaker 1: Arizona for DeAndre Hot Like I don't hate that, Like
1:53:46
Speaker 1: it's not really You still have two other fourth round picks,
1:53:49
Speaker 1: by the way, that you can use in the fourth round.
1:53:51
Speaker 1: They're projected to have eleven picks. You should be able
1:53:53
Speaker 1: to do a lot of Bill Belichick maneuvering. I also
1:53:56
Speaker 1: think it's kind of too many picks, Like if you
1:53:58
Speaker 1: just look at the amount of guy that they have
1:54:00
Speaker 1: on the roster, you expect them to sign some free
1:54:02
Speaker 1: agents as well. With the cap space that they have,
1:54:05
Speaker 1: they could definitely consolidate picks. They probably should consolidate picks.
1:54:08
Speaker 1: There are a lot of votes for Philip Perry in
1:54:10
Speaker 1: the T shirt contest. The smell which I get. I
1:54:14
Speaker 1: could see that a couple from because Megan, see this
1:54:18
Speaker 1: is you also get every once in a while you
1:54:20
Speaker 1: would get a peek into the soul when Meghan was
1:54:22
Speaker 1: on the show. Megan, Megan found Philip Perry extremely handsome.
1:54:27
Speaker 1: Along with Shoe was subsessed with Meglio. Yes, yes, she's
1:54:33
Speaker 1: a white Sox homer. Two very different but types of people.
1:54:36
Speaker 1: But like she just like let it slip out one day,
1:54:39
Speaker 1: like on like on the air, like, I mean, he's
1:54:42
Speaker 1: very attractive and we of course we ran. You gotta
1:54:49
Speaker 1: just keep smelling it now. She was the best I
1:54:52
Speaker 1: miss Megan. Um. We did do one more question just um.
1:54:56
Speaker 1: This one come from Cody in Indiana. He's like, do
1:54:58
Speaker 1: you think it's wrong for me to want Devin mccordy
1:55:00
Speaker 1: to retire rather than lay him up for one more year.
1:55:01
Speaker 1: I think he can still play at a reasonable level,
1:55:03
Speaker 1: but I just think it's time for changing the guard
1:55:05
Speaker 1: in the locker room and his presence may stifle some
1:55:07
Speaker 1: of the younger would be leaders. What would you prefer
1:55:10
Speaker 1: that he'd retire or play one more season? It's a
1:55:12
Speaker 1: great question. I mean, we're kind of waiting to hear
1:55:16
Speaker 1: I know, and I hear it. I said the same
1:55:17
Speaker 1: thing of at what point are you going to you know,
1:55:19
Speaker 1: kind of create a vacuum of sorts that a young
1:55:22
Speaker 1: new leadership structure has to set up, set step up,
1:55:25
Speaker 1: And you know, at what point do hearing from the
1:55:27
Speaker 1: guys who won a super Bowl five years ago, when
1:55:29
Speaker 1: does that start to be like you're just kind of
1:55:31
Speaker 1: the old guys. Now you're not this isn't ringing true
1:55:33
Speaker 1: to us. I just don't want that to happen. Not
1:55:35
Speaker 1: saying that that is, but I just I do wonder
1:55:37
Speaker 1: about that of of you know, you've got these kind
1:55:39
Speaker 1: of holdovers and mccordy and Slater still kind of preaching
1:55:42
Speaker 1: what was preached here for a long time, of course
1:55:45
Speaker 1: at work. But you know, is that message still freshen
1:55:47
Speaker 1: and are people still buying it? That's my question and
1:55:50
Speaker 1: no one else's. Oh, I think it's the way the emailer.
1:55:55
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. I see the point. We
1:55:56
Speaker 1: all love mccordy, right, Um, he could still play. I mean,
1:56:01
Speaker 1: I don't think he's what he was, but he could
1:56:02
Speaker 1: still play. He's not a detriment out there. I don't
1:56:05
Speaker 1: have any idea of how to quantify his ability to
1:56:09
Speaker 1: get everybody on the same page in the back end.
1:56:12
Speaker 1: Will that be the same if it's yeah, you know,
1:56:15
Speaker 1: just I just look at the somebody else. When I
1:56:17
Speaker 1: watched defenses around in the league, the Patriots consistently have
1:56:21
Speaker 1: the fewest busted coverages out of any defense. Like they
1:56:24
Speaker 1: might get guys, you know, everybody's gonna get beat every
1:56:26
Speaker 1: once in a while, and a one on one matchup,
1:56:28
Speaker 1: they might get bag but you talking about one getting
1:56:31
Speaker 1: three yards behind the guy covering him, right, talking about uncovered. Yeah,
1:56:35
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen a lot with the page. No it doesn't.
1:56:37
Speaker 1: And I think that obviously the head, but you have
1:56:41
Speaker 1: to give some of it to him. And I go
1:56:42
Speaker 1: back to twenty twelve when I felt like it was
1:56:44
Speaker 1: and he, you know, as a rookie, had been in
1:56:46
Speaker 1: a corner and there was talking him moving to safety.
1:56:48
Speaker 1: And then I was at that Seattle game in twenty
1:56:50
Speaker 1: twelve where it was like bonds away on Tavon Wilson,
1:56:53
Speaker 1: and you like that was the need. You're like, man,
1:56:55
Speaker 1: we just we need a back end guy. I didn't
1:56:56
Speaker 1: really even see it at the time. You know that
1:56:58
Speaker 1: mccordy was was going to be that guy because she
1:57:01
Speaker 1: was still a corner then, right right, No, I know
1:57:02
Speaker 1: that's what like, you know what I mean, you know
1:57:04
Speaker 1: where you got to viscerated that season as a corner.
1:57:06
Speaker 1: We're about to wrap up, but I just I've got
1:57:08
Speaker 1: to ask Alex. I just want to know, Alex, just
1:57:11
Speaker 1: a couple of draft guys, like who are you? Who
1:57:12
Speaker 1: are a couple of favorites of your guys just curious
1:57:14
Speaker 1: who who you know is really a crusion? On the
1:57:17
Speaker 1: podcast you find out, I don't want to. Why should
1:57:19
Speaker 1: they give it away for free? Yeah, because people who
1:57:20
Speaker 1: listen already know I've talked about these guys enough. I
1:57:23
Speaker 1: really like Dwan Jones from Ohio State. You know, how
1:57:25
Speaker 1: does he fit with the Patriots? They probably need more
1:57:28
Speaker 1: of a left tackle and he's a right tackle. But
1:57:30
Speaker 1: six seven, three seventy five moves like a basketball player.
1:57:34
Speaker 1: Evans heard me say this. My comp for him is
1:57:37
Speaker 1: Trek Woland. In the sense that Woland had all the
1:57:40
Speaker 1: measurables still went in the fifth round. It almost felt
1:57:42
Speaker 1: like people looked at him and just thought it's all
1:57:44
Speaker 1: too good to be true. I kind of feel like
1:57:47
Speaker 1: people are doing the same thing with Dwan Jones. Everything
1:57:50
Speaker 1: about his makeup tells you he should be a stud,
1:57:52
Speaker 1: and there's still people say it. Maybe he goes in
1:57:54
Speaker 1: the top fifty, Like, what are we doing? Don't overthink it? Um.
1:57:58
Speaker 1: I really like Zach Kuon's the tight end from old dominion.
1:58:02
Speaker 1: You know, we even do that right, Like if he
1:58:04
Speaker 1: catches a pass. Even as far as the draft goes,
1:58:08
Speaker 1: he's an unknown didn't play last year. But again it's
1:58:10
Speaker 1: the same thing. Six eight two fifty five four five
1:58:14
Speaker 1: five forty inch vertical. There's something there. Just bring him
1:58:17
Speaker 1: in and figure it out. Josh Downs is my favorite
1:58:20
Speaker 1: slot receiver. I just think he's so technically sound. He's
1:58:25
Speaker 1: just I think he's gonna have a very low learning
1:58:28
Speaker 1: curve compared to some of the other receivers. Um Corner.
1:58:34
Speaker 1: Oh dude, Julius Brentz. That was like the first guy
1:58:36
Speaker 1: I was in one big Julius Brentz guy. He turned
1:58:39
Speaker 1: me into a Julius Prinz fan I was. I watched
1:58:43
Speaker 1: Koon's yesterday, did my deep dive into him yet on Twitter?
1:58:46
Speaker 1: And I texted him like fun player and he was like,
1:58:49
Speaker 1: fun player, come on well because I hopefully we have
1:58:52
Speaker 1: the audio and we talked about him on the show
1:58:54
Speaker 1: two weeks so when I'm fighting when I brought him up,
1:58:57
Speaker 1: Evan could not have sounded more disgusted when I brought
1:59:00
Speaker 1: up Zach Koons and Darnell Washing because he was so disinterested.
1:59:04
Speaker 1: I get that a lot. Yeah, you guys know, you
1:59:06
Speaker 1: guys are Jack Kons from Old Dominion. And I texted
1:59:09
Speaker 1: him yesterday and I was like, this is the guy
1:59:11
Speaker 1: that they overdraft, like this is the good and that's
1:59:14
Speaker 1: why I'm already pre I'm gonna say this and I
1:59:18
Speaker 1: get made fun of him Mac and played on a loop.
1:59:20
Speaker 1: They ain't drafting a tight end from old Dominion, so
1:59:23
Speaker 1: he actually thought on the old man Penn State. To
1:59:25
Speaker 1: be fair, he went, he started at Penn State. He
1:59:27
Speaker 1: started at Penn State. That's all of his production came.
1:59:30
Speaker 1: Oh it's the same. They never draft Penn State guys. No,
1:59:32
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying he came from a real program
1:59:35
Speaker 1: heavy ability to a real yeah, like I take a
1:59:37
Speaker 1: late round flyer off some guy from a small like
1:59:39
Speaker 1: the Sam Roberts last Yeah, but not not the guy
1:59:43
Speaker 1: that we well it you teach at Uga Paul Yeah,
1:59:47
Speaker 1: and and I mean you pretending the choir and only
1:59:51
Speaker 1: state and you only had to replace him in four
1:59:53
Speaker 1: different games. THEFF tells me how great he was, Butons
1:59:57
Speaker 1: coach didn't agree. Huons is your perfect like third round
2:00:01
Speaker 1: tight end prospect though, that just is a freak athlete,
2:00:03
Speaker 1: and you hope that it almost like George Kittles, you know,
2:00:07
Speaker 1: in the league, where all of a sudden he just
2:00:08
Speaker 1: blossoms into his grape Mike is sick. He's the guy
2:00:10
Speaker 1: I've used. All right, Well, Paul and Duce gotta get
2:00:13
Speaker 1: out of here, but you've got plenty more of Evan
2:00:16
Speaker 1: and Barth coming at you here. We will be back
2:00:18
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2:00:22
Speaker 1: we will be on high alert for any emergency podcast,
2:00:24
Speaker 1: big news, anything like that. But if not, we do
2:00:27
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2:00:31
Speaker 1: We didn't do one for James Ferenson. I don't know
2:00:33
Speaker 1: Eagle tampering now, no, I know, But let's say a
2:00:36
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2:00:41
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2:00:42
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2:00:46
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