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#166: Gill1918 presents Track Tribe LIVE: (Part 1) "Getting Paid to Run" with Tyrone Ross hosted by Kyle Jones · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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Welcome back y'all. I am track Coach Jones, better
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shared tonight that probably may not know, right.
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questions, feel free to type them in the chat.
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I monitor the chat so we can make sure we get this
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information out. And tonight's guest is, is, is
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is special and nothing about the guests weren't special.
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But this is this is fun. And hopefully we actually get to
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a story and how small this world is eventually.
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But I don't want to take away from the information that's
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going to be shared tonight. I got ladies and gentlemen, I'm
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here with Tyrone Ross. I am not going to steal his
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Thunder. I am going to allow him, let him
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not allow him, but give him a moment to introduce himself and
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tell you a little bit about himself and what type of
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information is going to be shared tonight and why this is
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important. And then we're going to dive
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right into this conversation because I know you guys are
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anxious to hear all the wonderful things that are about
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to come up. And so with that being said,
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Tyrone, man, what's up? What's going on, brother?
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Good for you. Good to see you.
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Grateful for you having me excited for this conversation.
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Lots of lots of old school memories we chatted about again,
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some that'll definitely come up and grateful for your platform.
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I think there's going to be a lot of really timely information
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that'll be shared through the lens of which I am now as a
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financial professional, registered financial
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professional that gives people advice on all of these different
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things. I've had the benefit recently of
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being on multiple sides of the NIL conversation and like
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yourself, having ran track and going through the whole, you
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know, getting recruited and all that other stuff.
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So I think we'll cover a lot of bases here.
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But first thing is first, again, gratitude to you for having me.
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Second thing is I am the son of superhero parents Carol and
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Tyrone Ross, senior Jersey roots, which I'm sure you could
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appreciate as well. Big big up Jersey currently
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again, licensed financial advisor have a firm four O 1
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financial, which there's a really cool story about the name
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for what financial we should get to, because that actually go
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takes us back to meet the Champions the year before you
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and I actually ended up on the track together and then I have a
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crypto data company called turnkey labs.
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So I've transitioned out of, you know, my track career into
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entrepreneurship and running businesses prior to that, which
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I see some some of the folks are on.
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I did run at Seton Hall and Georgia Tech, so started my
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career. Georgia Tech had to benefit and
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sometimes not the benefit of running with Angelo Taylor in
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practice. So shout out low dog.
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That's my guy. So yeah, my Georgia Tech family.
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So that was my first track family.
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Unfortunately being 17 years old, first time going away from
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home. I didn't last in Atlanta long as
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a young light skinned lad. So I was up out of there.
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I didn't go to class but I made it to every party so was
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dismissed twice. Ended up at Seton Hall.
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Shout out to Coach Moon and all my Seton Hall family as well.
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Coach Moon was like you get your grades together, got a
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scholarship for you. So ended up finishing my career
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at Seton Hall and then went on to qualify for the trials in O
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four in the 400 meters. So I I was 400 hurdler, 400
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runner in high school, started focusing on the 400 towards the
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end of my career. Qualify for the trials in O4,
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qualify for the World Team in O5.
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My graduate professor wouldn't let me go to the meet, so I
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didn't get a chance to experience that.
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Yeah, rough. I had a, my my professional
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career was a little rough. Was half a second off the
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qualifier in O8 and then 2012, which is my last shot.
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I tore my groin to for the Olympic trial.
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So my Olympic dream is never going to come true, which is why
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I said everything under God's green earth is not a, that's not
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the Olympics I want, but was able to have, looking back at
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it, a really cool career. I mean, I got to run in the
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Diamond League meet at, at Icon Stadium.
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I got to run a really good race in Milrose, me, Lashawn Merritt,
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Batman had some meets where I, I, I won some money.
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I did, I did OK, right? Nothing, nothing crazy, nothing
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I could live off of. But that's our dream, right?
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The track is unforgiven. So to run around the track and
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make a little bit of money was a was a really cool thing to
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experience. Never had the benefit of being
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sponsored, but had people who poured into my journey with gear
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and certain things here and there.
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It did all of that while I started my career on Wall
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Street. So it was it was nothing I was
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ever able to focus on solely. But from about 16 to 32, I
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dedicated my entire life to running.
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I have a, a book in the in the other room over there.
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I have every single workout I've done for 20 years straight,
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never missed a day, every single workout, everything.
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So still train still still work out everyday.
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Haven't been able to compete as much recently due to current
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life events and run into businesses but still very active
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in the sport. Hopefully can get to compete
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here again at some point. But that's the journey in the
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nutshell man. But it's it's funny how I was, I
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was just saying that and we can get into this too.
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My track career almost cost me my life because 2012 I attempted
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suicide and because I felt like a failure.
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It was it was no way I was ever going to amount to anything if I
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wasn't an Olympian, right? And it's weird because I like
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all of the Olympians that I know we're not only Olympians, but
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they're gold medalists. Like they won, you know, like I
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got a few folks that that are, you know, in my outer circle
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that I know that have gone, but the folks that are close to me,
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they all have gold medal. So I bring that up to say it
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was, it's easy sometimes to beat.
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None of our careers go the way you wanted to.
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Very few right outside of, you know, Michael Jordan, LeBron
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James, Sydney, right? Very few of our careers go the
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way we wanted to go. But what I think is really cool
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about my career in this moment was sitting the other morning
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and knowing that you were in that race, you know, and, and
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being able to have these bonds and the family that I made at
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Seton Hall and the family that I made at Georgia Tech and the
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cross pollination area. My coach at Georgia Tech who
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poured into my life and my high school coach who I have a
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company named after, you know, Coach Moon, who gave me a second
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chance at life. And because of that, it wasn't
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about, I thought it was about track at the time, because I
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only ran two years of collegiate track.
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A lot of people don't notice I lost three years.
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I lost my I lost everything in between.
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I ran my first year and only up to a certain point because I
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became ineligible. I didn't get to go run the relay
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at nationals. I'm, I relay one nationals my
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senior my freshman year at Georgia Tech.
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But I wasn't allowed to go because of my grades and I ran
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my last year at Seton Hall. So out of five years, I only ran
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two years of collegiate track. So it was a lot left to be
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desired and what happened? But my career started to blossom
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after all of that. But these cool moments of
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meeting people and the relationships that you have kind
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of has me reassess it and go, you know what?
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I it, it was, it's been an awesome journey.
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I had a great career. So now being able to pour back
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into the sport is awesome. Yeah, I, I, I had no idea about
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a few of those things, man. And I'm, I'm going to be honest
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with you, man. I I, I love the transparency
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because people look and see all the glory, but they don't often
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understand the story that comes with it, right?
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And we can put a lot of pressure on ourselves to be that, you
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know what we feel like we want to be.
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But then it's like, man, if I'm not that, then who am I?
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When you strip away all these things, what am I?
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And this is all I've ever known. And but I don't have this thing.
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I feel like I'm nobody. But that's not the truth, you
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know, because if you strip away all the titles, you're still a
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child of God, right? I appreciate you sharing that,
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man, Because there might be some athletes out there, there might
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be some coaches, there might be some parents who just feel like
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I just, I'm, I'm a failure because I didn't get such and
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such done. And that's a real thing.
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But you're not a failure because you're still here.
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You still have purpose, you're still breathing.
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You can still make an impact in the way that in the best way you
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possible. All you have to do is choose it.
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And so, you know, let let's let's let's dive in, man,
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because are you going to start out like that?
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This, this one's going to be rocking, dude.
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So it's up like, whoa, all right, that's when we go with
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it. Let's go.
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I love this. This is my favorite part because
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track people are so real and it's one of the hardest things
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to make money at. You just talked about it.
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You know, the only time you were really running was your first
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and your last year, and then it worked on the circuit a little
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bit and made a little money. Here you are a fast guy.
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I know what I've seen. You saw the back of your head
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more than I wanted to. But you know, I know that you
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can run. And so you got a lot of kids out
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there, man. How do I make this money?
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What can I do with things like that?
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Where, where do we start? Right?
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Where do, where do I, where do I look to how do I get this
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information? Where do I find it?
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So let's maybe take a step back and go, you know, what is it
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like to earn a dollar in, in the Track World and what does it
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really take? But then we also need to talk
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about there's a new landscape of how kids are going to transition
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from high school into the college scene and what that
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looks like also. So maybe we start around that.
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Yeah, let's do that. So I think the the first thing
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obviously is yes, you have to choose good parents, you have to
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have talent, you have to run fast.
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But I think the most important thing is consistency.
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You have to run fast consistently.
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If you do that, then you get the, I mean, I'm thinking about
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this now. I even ran on the USA versus the
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World race at pen relays, right? So you, you have to be
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consistent enough where you catch the eye of people and
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you're going to meets and you're competing at an elite level for
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a long time. And once you do that, you will
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get opportunities to get in some meets.
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Now what I did, because I wasn't sponsored and I had to kind of
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work my way up the food chain. So they used to have these races
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in the Armory where it was like winner take, all right.
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And and like indoors would be a 500.
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I already knew what it was. I'm like, ain't nobody in shape
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in December. That money's mine, you know.
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And then with that you have some folks there and then, you know,
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you may have, you know, you may get an opportunity to run it
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mill rows and then, you know, you place there, you get some
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money there, then you see somebody there and then you get
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an opportunity to get a bad lane at the lane one at the Diamond
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League at Icon Stadium. But what happens is that money
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again, 55 grand, 2 grand, $500. Boy, it would take a while to
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get it because you got to get tested.
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It takes a while. So you may win that money and
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not see it for six months. The other thing that I parlayed
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that into was I tied it into a Nike commercial that I did with
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Justin Gatlin. We shot it at Icon, a Jackson
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Hewitt commercial, a running commercial that we shot in the
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Armory. So what I was able to do is
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parlay it to opportunities off the track while on the track at
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the same time. So the visibility is important.
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You got to choose the meats that you run at.
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You got to get to know the meet directors.
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Folks have to know that you're going to show up.
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You'll take any lane right and and you'll give them a good race
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because you got to think about it. 1278 you're lane fillers,
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right? Like, but if you disrupt the
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race and they're like, whoa, wait a minute, all right, let
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invite, invite him back. And this is what I will say.
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Anybody that will ever tell you I didn't win every race, but
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they knew if I was in it, somebody was going to have to
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believe to win it. Yeah.
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They want that because that makes an exciting race.
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So consistency of performance is important.
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Getting to know, you know, the, the meet schedule, your training
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when you're going to peak. I think location matters.
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Being here in California, man, my career would have been
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totally different. Both of ours and we were born
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here. But being in the Northeast, you
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can take advantage of it there being indoor track, there's a
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lot more meats you can use tune up meats.
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You can kind of again, just go to meats.
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Hey, I've rabbited races and made some money.
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Hey, could you, you know, these guys are trying to hit 145.
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Could you take them through in 50 point or whatever?
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Here's 500 bucks, you know, so once they get to know you and
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you got a, you got a, a relationship with the folks in
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the area. Now I will say this, it helped
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that a lot of the meet directors and folks knew me from high
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school. So you get that, you get known
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in the broader area. So no matter where you are,
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right, if you hang in that area, Florida, Texas, California,
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Jersey, right? And where we are in the
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Northeast is really compressed. So anything from New York,
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Jersey, Pennsylvania, like I could run in that area and
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somebody probably knew who I was or whatever else.
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And then especially when I went back, having a Seton Hall
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connection, things like that. So I was able to meet people and
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be likeable. It's just like anything else, be
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likeable, be reliable. Know you're going to show up
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early, you're going to warm up, you're going to be at the track,
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you're going to be with where you know you're supposed to be.
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And also is the last thing I'll say, this is a true story.
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I was when I got the opportunity to run the 500 at Millrose.
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I was coming out of class when I was in Graduate School.
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And shout to Coach Hill. I don't know if he's watching,
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but coach Hill, coach at Coach Hill, Robert Hill, he called me
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and he was like, what are you doing?
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And I'm like, I just got a class.
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He's like, can you run Melrose? I'm like, what do you mean?
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He's like, they got a lane for you in the 500.
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I'm like like when he's like like now like, can you get here?
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So I was like, bet, you know, I'm like in my head, I'm kind of
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like what? And then I get there and I'm
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like, I see Lashaw Merritt, I see Batman, I see Richard James
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who ran for Jamaica. I'm like, yo man.
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So but that's what it was. It was just like being available
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and picking up. Same thing with the USAUSA
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versus the World race. Same thing with the with the
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Diamond League meet. I think Xavier Carter won that
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race. He dropped 44 on as he whipped
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up on everybody that day. X Man.
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Yeah, to this day, probably the most talented, you know, end to
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end runner. So it's just like that, man.
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I was, I was always available. I was always reliable.
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I would be there and I would. They know I would run my heart
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out. Yeah, So you want to hear
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something funny? I saw that 500.
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Really. Yeah, I saw that 500 and I also
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saw you pace do a paste race and it was just so random that I
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happen to be up. Dude, I watch so much track and
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field it's ridiculous. My wife will tell you I'm like
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one of the very few people that will sit and watch a full cross
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country race on YouTube from. Beginning to end, I thought I
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was a junkie. You, you.
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You got me. I, I am like the Dave Chappelle
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skit of like crackheads over track and field and I, I just
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love it. I'm like, oh, you got any more
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that track? You got any more?
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I love it. So what?
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There's irony behind that. So things I'm hearing out of
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this and I hope the kids are picking up on this because the
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athletes, you know, coaches tell them all the time, hey, make
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sure you're where you're supposed to be.
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Make sure you're warming up because eyes are always on.
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You never know who's watching you because those things can
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kind of transition or lead to other opportunities.
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There's a lot of opportunities right now for these kids, more
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than what we ever had, right? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm amazed at the
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opportunities that these kids have right now.
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And I'm also amazed at the talent level that I'm seeing
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across the, across the country and across the world.
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I mean, these kids are phenomenally fast and
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ridiculous, man. I'm just like, yo, I don't
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remember everybody being this fast, man.
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I was like, yo, I remember a couple people like here and
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there like dropping 45 and 46. I'm like, yo, where's everybody
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coming from? But to that point, we've got
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NIL, we've got scholarships, we got grants, we've got all types
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of things that are happening. And I know for example, you
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know, I'm just hearing, you know, the track programs losing
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money also. So with the kids now in trying
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to transition, you know, the seniors that are coming out of
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high school, right? If you're not a Quincy Wilson or
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you're not like one of the what's, what's the girl name
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Olivia Harris, who's out of Georgia, that 52 second girl,
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you know, if you're not one of them, you're not, what do you do
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to try to again and garner up some some interest and some
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money? Maybe you're not the top, but
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it's here. You know, maybe you're kind of
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that mid grade. What do you look for?
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How do you get in touch with people?
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How do you start to pull together opportunities to get
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money to go to college because it's getting way more expensive
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than we ever imagined. And people trying to find their
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ways to find ways to get through college, to college and then
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through college. So what are some things that you
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know that you could share for these youngins, youngins that we
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call them, that it would really help them to kind of shape their
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trajectory of how to get to college, how to catch the
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interest of the coaches, how to get the money together, or how
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to actually, you know, work on some deals because NIL is a real
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thing Now. I know it's kind of a loaded
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question, but man feel free to answer.
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No lot going on. I mean, I, I actually, again, I
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know a bunch of folks that are coaching now and I know the head
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coach at Saint John's and I text her today.
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I'm like, is Saint John's really $65,000 out of state?
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Oh yes, Duke out of state is $94,000.
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Geez. Like it's in 94,000 out of
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state, you know, like it's it when I was out of state at
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Georgia Tech, I think it was like 15.
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So it's incredibly expensive. So I come at this from a
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different lens. And, and this is where I really
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want to speak to the parents about this because like I said,
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I've had I've, I'm blessed to have a really unique experience
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of one. Obviously haven't gone through
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it a long time ago, but seeing every every bit of it along the
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way from folks that I've mentored that have gone on to
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run in college and being close to the sport and then now.
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Being involved in the Nile and trying to, you know, Seton
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Hall's program going away and now Georgia Tech's program with
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funds being cut in this new era. So I have a really unique lens
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that I talked about this. So the first thing is, and this
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and this era, the times are the inflation of the times is just
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insane, right? What would have gotten you
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interest 10 years ago, forget when we were in school 10 years
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ago is almost a blur, right? It, it, you have to literally be
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again, that consistency matters. But parents and coaches are put
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in a really tough spot now because they're so like today
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Under Armour announces another nationals meet.
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So now what nationals meet we go to, It's the last thing we
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needed was another nationals meet.
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So I think coaches and parents have more choices now than they
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did before. Do you take this kid out of a
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public school where I went to a little tiny school?
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And do you go to Union Catholic in New Jersey because of the
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success that they're having? And now they're running with all
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these other kids that matters. Do you have the money to be able
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to do that? I was PO, right?
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I only went to Metuchen. I only went to Metuchen because
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God bless my aunt. We used her address.
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Yeah, and the rest is history. So one where does your child go
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to school? 2.
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What what type of investment in B is being made in their
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development? What event do they run?
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There's obviously there's even at the high school now.
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It's crazy how there's high profile events where they're
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putting a lot of money behind the 8, the four, the two, the
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one. It was it was never like it how
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they're putting money behind these sports where you know, if
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you got a kid that could be seen.
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Remember, Arcadia used to be the thing.
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Right. Like you would run well and then
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you go away, you come out here and you run Arcadia and you put
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something down like that used to be it, but now there's a lot of
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these meats, right? These showcase meets.
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So it, it's a lot of decisions that go into it now where you
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can see it. Quincy runs a curated schedule,
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right? The, the two, the twin girls
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from Texas, they run a curated schedule.
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Koopa Lukinhaus had run a curated schedule.
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Even I remember the day after Sydney's first race in high
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school, I saw her at Rutgers because she was coming to watch
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her brother run a meet that I was running it.
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And I I remember walking up to her parents and saying is she
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going be it? But she ran a bit of a curated
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schedule. So the last 10 to 15 years in
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high school, it not only matters how fast you run, but where and
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against who. And even if you trail right, you
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run a race to get if top three guys are 45 and change and you
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come straggling in at 6th at 47 O those mid major programs,
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right? You still look, because the
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coaches will go, those are those top three guys are either going
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pro or SEC, right. So we could bring in somebody
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that can score points like they won.
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So that matters. So there's a lot of decisions
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here that has to be made that hasn't been made before.
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So it's one economic, which it really tracked you supposed to
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be a poor man's sport. You get some spikes, go to a
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meet, run and see what happens. So it's economic.
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What resources do you have to be able to travel, get the kid in
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the right meets? Where are you regionally
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matters? And then lastly, just on the
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part of of being seen, I think because of social media, because
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of clips it meets trying to be able to get in front of coaches
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like I, I, I know you want X. There's a lot of coaches that'll
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be like, Hey, send me, I got scholarships for these type of
24:02
kids, right? If you've got a kid that right.
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So I think the parents and the kids need to be on social media
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seeing, you know, following the right people and sharing these
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things and really getting to know the program.
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Here's the last thing I will say is underappreciated that I don't
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think happens enough in track and field that I think 1 needs
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to happen for track to survive and two, that we can steal from
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football. There's nothing wrong, literally
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nothing wrong and it should happen more.
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It's like why don't the parents one just take the kid to Florida
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Relays, hobnob, kiss, handshake, babies get to know the coach,
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the kids could be a a 52 second hurdler, whatever right?
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But just go and meet people like just do these and you call them
24:58
unofficial visits or whatever. But with football programs, they
25:01
they'll have the kids on campus or the parents would just go and
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say, Hey, I want to get them in this camp.
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Right. That needs to happen more in
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track now for visibility for the kids to get visibility with the
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coaches and get to meet them and get the ass flat out.
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Hey, coach Holloway, I I want to come to Florida.
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What do I what do I got to do? They got at 46 flat, right?
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You got to be and I might have a scholarship for you.
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OK, Well, I'm at you know, I'm a 48468 kid now.
25:31
OK, I know parents know that you build a relationship.
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So the relationship building I think is being forced now.
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And it wasn't before. You just really kind of met
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people along the way. So I think the parents and the
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kids need to build a relationship with coaches,
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especially because this in the San Anil transfer every
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everyone's going from school to school to school.
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You ain't staying nowhere. You're not building a community,
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right? There's no more like I'm a
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Gator. I'm a yellow jacket, right?
25:58
I have more I transfer, but I have more affinity to Georgia
26:01
Tech than I do the Seton Hall one program is gone.
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But I I, I started my career at Georgia Tech.
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I've last enduring relationships there.
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I built a relationship with the administration and now I have an
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endowment there. So, you know, I'm saying like
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building those relationships matter, but it's economic, it's
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relationship building. And I think the last thing is
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this, which is really important for the parents to understand.
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It's a situation now where depending on where your child
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goes or where they want to go back to .1, it's economic.
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But you have to figure out what the child is eligible to receive
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based on division, based on conference, based on economic
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status of the athletic, the program and the track program as
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it is. Because if my child signs here
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today, is this program going to be around in five years?
26:54
Right. And we, you reference some of
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the 500 million that Rutgers is lost.
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You know, we, we talked about this on our call, Alabama men's
27:04
and men's, women's track and field burning through $3 million
27:06
last year. Yeah.
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So this is when you get into the whole NIL thing.
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Can the child get some NIL? There are certain schools that
27:14
opted out of the NIL agreement with the schools to pay.
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