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206. Jacky Hunt-Broersma, Ultra Runner & Amputee Who Conquered 104 Marathons In 104 Days · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could fail big time and it would be
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Speaker 1: like it would be partly embarrassing, but it's also you
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Speaker 1: know what, this is who I am and sometimes things
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Speaker 1: don't go your way and it's okay. Then you pick
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Speaker 1: yourself up and you try again.
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Speaker 2: What is going on? Everyone?
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Speaker 3: Emily Abadi here coming to you from the Age Studio.
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Speaker 3: and move with intention so that you can stride towards
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Speaker 3: your own big potential and of course have some fun
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Speaker 3: along the way. Today, for episode two hundred and six,
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Speaker 3: I am chatting with.
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Speaker 2: Jackie Hunt Burisma.
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Speaker 3: She's an endurance athlete and amputee who recently did something
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Speaker 3: that for so many is completely unfathomable, and that is
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Speaker 3: run a hundred and four marathons in one hundred and
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Speaker 3: four days. I know, I know, absolutely amazing and if
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Speaker 3: it is confirmed by Guinness World Records, that would be
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Speaker 3: a new world record.
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Speaker 2: Now I mentioned that she is an amputee.
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Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and one, she lost her left
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Speaker 3: leg to a rare form of cancer called ing sarcoma
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Speaker 3: at only twenty six years old. Now, in today's episode,
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Speaker 3: she talks about what that was like, how she felt
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Speaker 3: one morning when a golf ball sized bulge felt on
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Speaker 3: her leg literally overnight, and a few days later she
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Speaker 3: was undergo surgery to have her leg amputated. Now, a
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Speaker 3: fun fact about Jackie is that she really only got
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Speaker 3: heavily into running about five years ago, and to do
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Speaker 3: that she had to shell out about ten thousand dollars
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Speaker 3: for a running blade, which is part of the reason
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Speaker 3: that during the marathons during the world record attempt, Jackie
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Speaker 3: was raising funds for amputee blade runners. She actually raised
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Speaker 3: more than one hundred and ninety two thousand dollars. Absolutely incredible.
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Speaker 3: I am going to link the go Fundme page in
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Speaker 3: the show notes, so if you are interested in contributing
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Speaker 3: to Jackie's cause, you can click on over there and
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Speaker 3: do so.
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, Jackie gives us.
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Speaker 3: The rundown on the how how she managed to get
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Speaker 3: up for so many consecutive days and run talking about
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Speaker 3: her why and the very well executed recovery strategy that
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Speaker 3: she followed to a tea so that she could show
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Speaker 3: up and do the best she could with what she
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Speaker 3: had day after day. We're talking epsom, salt baths, we're
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Speaker 3: talking using a massage gun, and also the importance of
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Speaker 3: good nutrition, which the insight as to what she ate
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Speaker 3: what she was fueling.
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Speaker 2: With super super interesting.
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Speaker 3: Of course, a feat like this also requires a lot
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Speaker 3: of mental gymnastics. Jackie talks to us about how she
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Speaker 3: was able to work on positive self talk to talk
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Speaker 3: herself up and how that has been a battle for
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Speaker 3: her since losing.
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Speaker 2: Her leg many years ago.
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Speaker 3: We also tackle the emotional come down of something like this,
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Speaker 3: about how going after this size of a goal is
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Speaker 3: a major life thing, it's like getting married or having
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Speaker 3: a child even and how after these big moments it
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Speaker 3: can feel some kind of way to come down. So
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Speaker 3: how she's dealing with that, what strategies and tools she has.
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Speaker 2: In her toolbox, how she's excited to have.
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Speaker 3: A little bit more time to spend with her family
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Speaker 3: and her kids again, and so much more. Jackie so
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Speaker 3: so happy, and we were able to make this happen.
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Speaker 3: We literally ran into each other in Boston and it
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Speaker 3: was so great to meet Irl and to have this
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Speaker 3: time together as well, and I am just so.
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Speaker 2: Blown away and impressed by you.
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Speaker 1: Today.
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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Jackie hunt Barsma. She is
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Speaker 3: and let's call an endurance athlete because what she has
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Speaker 3: just accomplished takes a whole lot of endurance.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to tell the people what you've done, Jackie.
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Speaker 1: I've just run one hundred and four marathons in one
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Speaker 1: hundred and four days. Woohoo.
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Speaker 3: Applause coming from the Hurdle studio. I'll have to see
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Speaker 3: if I can find like an applause and be for
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Speaker 3: you to like throw into the audio here.
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Speaker 2: Congratulations, what a stellar accomplishment.
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Speaker 3: And beyond the fact that this is such an impressive
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Speaker 3: physical feat, you also did a lot of good in
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Speaker 3: the process. Raising over one hundred and ninety two thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars for amputee Blade Runners. Wow, just absolutely astounding.
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Speaker 1: I know I was, I was blown away. I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I kind of went in. I went in with a
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Speaker 1: very small little goal. I saw, you know what, if
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Speaker 1: we can help one amputee, I'm like, yeah, we'll raise
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Speaker 1: like ten thousand. That was like my, like really like
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Speaker 1: the goal I had, and I was like, any little
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Speaker 1: bit will help. But I'm so blown away with the
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Speaker 1: support and just it's just been incredible.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And of course I'm sure the people listening because they're listening,
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Speaker 3: they aren't perhaps privied to the information that you yourself are
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Speaker 3: an amputee. We will get into your backstory and learning
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Speaker 3: a little bit more about how you got to this point.
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Speaker 3: But talk to me about why it was so exciting
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Speaker 3: for you to be able to work with Amputee Blade Runners,
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Speaker 3: to be able to give this amount of amazing amount
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Speaker 3: of money over that organization.
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Speaker 1: They do really great work and they provide running blades
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Speaker 1: for amputees, and I kind of wanted to work with
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Speaker 1: them because running blades are really expensive. Insurance sees it
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Speaker 1: as a luxury. Weirdly in the States, which is so
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Speaker 1: dumb for me, Like, running really changed me, like thetive
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Speaker 1: perception of how I saw myself as an amputee, because
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Speaker 1: when you become an amputee, you kind of people don't
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Speaker 1: mean to, but you get put in a box and
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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, this is kind of where you're going
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Speaker 1: to stay. They kind of limit your abilities. And I
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Speaker 1: feel like running just showed me how strong I could be,
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Speaker 1: and it gave me this whole appreciation of my body
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Speaker 1: and kind of helped me through the process of accepting
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Speaker 1: myself as who I am. And so I really find
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Speaker 1: running is such a good healing process and I think
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Speaker 1: most runners that do run find that too. It's a
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Speaker 1: good mental It really helps your mental side of it.
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Speaker 1: And so I wanted to help other amputees because a lot,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just pain that you can't afford it.
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Speaker 1: You just can't. Yeah, I mean, who can ford ten
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars on a running blade because that's what they cost.
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Speaker 1: So this was just my way of giving back. I
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Speaker 1: was like, if we could just help one person, that
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Speaker 1: would be fantastic.
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Speaker 3: You're not just helping one person with over one hundred
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Speaker 3: and ninety two thousand dollars. That's truly remarkable, and it's
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Speaker 3: so interesting to hear you talk about your passion for
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Speaker 3: this sport knowing that you have haven't been.
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Speaker 2: A runner for really long.
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Speaker 3: In fact, you didn't even pick up running until after
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Speaker 3: you had your leg amputated. So before we get into that,
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Speaker 3: before we get into you developing your relationship with running,
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Speaker 3: let's learn a little bit about you coming into sport period.
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Speaker 2: Were you active growing up? Not really?
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Speaker 1: I mean I used to go to the gym. I
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Speaker 1: used to go to spin class. Does that classify myself
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Speaker 1: as very active? Yeah? I went. I crushed it in
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Speaker 1: a spin class, and that's kind of what I did.
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Speaker 1: It's weird, like when you lose part of your body,
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Speaker 1: there's a part of you that kind of wants to
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Speaker 1: just desperately be normal and just show people that you
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Speaker 1: can just because you get put in this box. And
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Speaker 1: running was one of those things where it was firstly
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Speaker 1: it was really expensive, ten thousand dollars for a bread laid,
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Speaker 1: and then secondly it's like, why would you You're an amputee.
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Speaker 1: You don't need to do you don't need to do
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Speaker 1: these things. You're fine, you can just sit on the
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Speaker 1: sofa and it's I mean, I've had that told to
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Speaker 1: me too. That's like, why no one expects anything from you.
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Speaker 1: You're now an empt just accept the way your life is.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, we can do better. We can
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Speaker 1: we can do it just as good as everyone else.
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Speaker 1: And it's kind of I think I kind of went
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Speaker 1: into running as my little protest of like to the world.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I belong here. This is what I'm doing,
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Speaker 1: and this is kind of what I can do. But
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Speaker 1: the funny thing is going in is as a like
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Speaker 1: before I was an empute, I saw runners were crazy.
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Speaker 1: I was like, why would you want to do that?
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Speaker 1: And that's what was my thinking. So it was it
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Speaker 1: was funny that I was, in a sense just like, well, no,
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Speaker 1: I want to give it a shot and see what happens.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, here we are, here, we are you know.
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Speaker 3: I think it is funny because I feel as though
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Speaker 3: a lot of people do sit on like one side
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Speaker 3: of that solid line, like one side of the median right.
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Speaker 3: It's like you totally understand why someone may want to
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Speaker 3: go through this on the regular or you view this
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Speaker 3: sport as a complete torture method, which fun fact treadmills
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Speaker 3: originally started in an English prison as a form of torture.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, really, I did not know that. That's
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Speaker 1: so funny it did.
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Speaker 2: They did.
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Speaker 3: I wrote an article on this recently, so yeah, I know,
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Speaker 3: absolutely crazy, But I love that you found this passion
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Speaker 3: for the sport and then used it as a vehicle
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Speaker 3: to do so much good. So we've referenced, of course
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Speaker 3: by now you being an amputee, talk to us about.
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Speaker 2: What happened and how you lost your leg.
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Speaker 1: I mean, in two thousand and two, I was diagnosed
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Speaker 1: with ing socoma, and for me, it was kind of
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Speaker 1: a bit of it. It was a span of three
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Speaker 1: weeks of a massive roller coaster because what happened was
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Speaker 1: I developed a I had a lump on my leg,
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Speaker 1: and I went to the doctor and they kind of like, wow,
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Speaker 1: that's not really good. It was kind of the size
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Speaker 1: of a golf bool. It literally has I'd gone to
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Speaker 1: bed the night, woke up in the morning and this
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Speaker 1: I suddenly had this thing on my leg. It just
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Speaker 1: totally came out of the blue. It's like, oh my goodness,
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Speaker 1: what is this. So went to the doctor and they
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Speaker 1: immediately scalull of a biopsy. And the funny thing is
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Speaker 1: I still remember, and it's weird even though it was
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Speaker 1: two thousand and two, these things in your life is
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Speaker 1: like it sticks with you as if it was yesterday,
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Speaker 1: and I just I still remember all the conversations I
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Speaker 1: had and going in for for the surgery. They were like, well,
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Speaker 1: if it's good news, we won't ring, we won't phone
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Speaker 1: you back. If it's bad news, we'll phone you within
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Speaker 1: two days. I'm like, who tells someone that? And it's
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Speaker 1: like really, So you're sitting and you're watching the phone.
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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, day one's gone by, it's all good.
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Speaker 1: Day two. And then the phone of course rings and
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Speaker 1: they break you break the news and you need to
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Speaker 1: come in, but you need to bring someone with you,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, this is not good news. And
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Speaker 1: the weird thing, even though part of me I knew
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Speaker 1: it wasn't good news, cancer was never in my thinking. Weirdly,
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Speaker 1: I was like, because cancer happens to someone else, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't happen to you. It's like weird how your mind works.
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Speaker 1: And of course they broke the news to me what
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Speaker 1: it was, and I automatically thought I kind of went
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Speaker 1: into survival mode. It's weird. You kind of block things
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Speaker 1: out and you just like you feel like you're not
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Speaker 1: really there. And I could hear them talking to me,
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Speaker 1: but I wasn't there, and it's just like it's like
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Speaker 1: it's like a weird, like weird feeling. And I thought, Okay, fine,
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Speaker 1: obviously the next plan is going to be chemo and
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Speaker 1: we're going to just take this on and surgery to
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Speaker 1: remove it and they will be fine. So within two days,
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Speaker 1: I was scheduled to see the specialist. Got to the
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Speaker 1: specialist and the first thing he says to me as
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Speaker 1: I walked through, is like, chemo's not going to work
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Speaker 1: for you because of the size of the tumor. The
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Speaker 1: only thing that's going to work is amputation. So I'm
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Speaker 1: like wha. And he had already scheduled an appointment for
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Speaker 1: the next week for my surgery. So it was just
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Speaker 1: this big like I had gone from having nothing to
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Speaker 1: a lump to cancer everything within three weeks. So it
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Speaker 1: kind of it was kind of one of those things
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Speaker 1: because I was I was in my twenties when it happened,
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Speaker 1: and I kind of went into a little bit of denial,
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Speaker 1: like I didn't want to accept what was happening, and
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Speaker 1: I I kind of just thought I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: be normal and went through the surgery, had my leg amputated,
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Speaker 1: and I was I was back at the office within
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Speaker 1: six weeks because I just, you know what, I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: not an emputy. I'm not going to be disabled. And
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Speaker 1: for me, that was like a massive, big sticking point.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going to be disabled. This
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Speaker 1: is I'm just going to carry on. I just keep
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Speaker 1: going and just going, and it's and it's one of
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Speaker 1: those things where it took me a long time because
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Speaker 1: I used to just I couldn't after that, I couldn't
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Speaker 1: look at myself in the mirror. I would always just
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Speaker 1: wear pants. I'm like, it was like that part of
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Speaker 1: me I thought I was really really ugly, and it
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Speaker 1: was just it was a hard thing to kind of
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Speaker 1: accept and for a long time it was like that
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Speaker 1: was my mental struggle just to kind of get through
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Speaker 1: that and kind of have acceptance even though I was
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Speaker 1: I was having this normal life and I was doing
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Speaker 1: everything everyone else was doing. No one like if you
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Speaker 1: hadn't known my story, you would't know I was an amputee.
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Speaker 1: So I just kind of got on with things and
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that's what I was doing. Like I
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Speaker 1: just it just became my new normal and just kind
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Speaker 1: of just carried on. And then with the running. When
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Speaker 1: I started the running, I kind of then it kind
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Speaker 1: of opened things up for me and it just it
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Speaker 1: just I finally could accept my body. And now I
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Speaker 1: never wear pants. I'm always in short because I'm like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, this is my body. This body can
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Speaker 1: run one hundred miles or do crazy things. And it's
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Speaker 1: just it gave me this whole new perception of no,
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Speaker 1: this body is pretty badass, and it's just like appreciation
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Speaker 1: and it's like now I can look myself in the
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Speaker 1: mirror and go, wow, this is incredible and stuff. So
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Speaker 1: it's and that's why I'm such a big advocate for
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Speaker 1: we need to get more emputies out running, because for me,
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Speaker 1: I wish that someone had just taken me then when
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Speaker 1: I was going through all this and say, you know what,
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Speaker 1: you need to give this a try because this will
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Speaker 1: definitely help you accept who you are and just give
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Speaker 1: it a go kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: Definitely. And I mean there's so much to double click
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Speaker 2: on here.
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Speaker 3: First and foremost, when you had this bulge develop on
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Speaker 3: your leg overnight. Did you have pain that was associated
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Speaker 3: with that or any other symptoms?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. I had like I had surgery there
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Speaker 1: like years before, and it was like a scar I
15:31
Speaker 1: had on my leg, and it had always been painful,
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Speaker 1: and every time I went back to the doctors, they
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Speaker 1: would always say that, oh, no, it's just scar tissue,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing to worry about. And at the time when
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Speaker 1: they discovered this, they actually told me, They're like, you know,
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Speaker 1: what saved your life is that this was a slow
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Speaker 1: growing tumor. So I probably had it in my body
15:51
Speaker 1: for years, but no one bothered to kind of research
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Speaker 1: a little bit further up the pain I was having.
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Speaker 1: So it's like, it's so bizarre.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what an amazing example or unfortunate example of
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Speaker 3: like the need to be your own patient advocate, right.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I always say to everyone. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: use your voice, speak up. And it's definitely been one
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Speaker 1: of the things I've really learned, and even over the years,
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Speaker 1: like becoming an mputee and getting prosthetics and stuff, because
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Speaker 1: a lot of people the questions was, how did you
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Speaker 1: do one hundred and four marathons? On a prosthetic leg,
16:23
Speaker 1: and I get these questions from mputees because my soccer
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Speaker 1: doesn't fit well. I could never run the distance you
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Speaker 1: are running. And I'm like, you need to be an advocate.
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Speaker 1: You need to raise your voice and say no, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't fit. It's not right. I need the best I need,
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Speaker 1: and it's okay. Fight for yourself.
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Speaker 3: You talked a lot about struggling with feeling beautiful again,
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Speaker 3: which I'm sure in so many different circumstances, amputee or not,
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Speaker 3: there are so many things that can happen in our
16:51
Speaker 3: lives that certainly make us feel that way.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: You were able to find a love in running, and
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Speaker 3: I love what it did for you. But maybe that
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Speaker 3: isn't a choice or something that a lot of people
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Speaker 3: would really like to lean into. So what else can
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Speaker 3: you perhaps identify or articulate that helped you through that
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Speaker 3: not so stellar time of really stepping into your own
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Speaker 3: in your new body.
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Speaker 1: I think I think it's just accepting what has happened.
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Speaker 1: It's the whole acceptance of what and like when these
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Speaker 1: things happen, it's something they and it's hard to say
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Speaker 1: it because you can't change what's happened. So it's find
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Speaker 1: find something that you're kind of the positive side of it.
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Speaker 1: For me, that was I had survived cancer. So it's
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Speaker 1: like looking at the perspective of, well, yes, I lost
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Speaker 1: my leg, but I'm still here today. So it's kind
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Speaker 1: of finding finding that way of because it can be
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Speaker 1: hard because you can get really really dark and all
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Speaker 1: you focus on is the negative side of it. But
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Speaker 1: you need to look at the what have you gained?
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Speaker 1: Like what is the good thing of it? And yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know it sounds weird to say that, Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: you've lost your leg, but a gain life. And I'm like, here,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been here if they hadn't amputated my leg.
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Speaker 2: Right, right. And so you were twenty six when this happened.
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, twenty six years old when you had your
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Speaker 3: leg amputated. Not yet a mother, I'm sure for your
18:16
Speaker 3: family dynamic as time went on and then you had
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Speaker 3: your children, it must have been interesting and rewarding for
18:24
Speaker 3: you to take on new titles and to find new
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Speaker 3: sources of identity.
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Speaker 1: It was and it's and what's amazing is my kids
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Speaker 1: have grown up just know me as an emputy. They
18:35
Speaker 1: don't know me differently, so they're so used to the
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Speaker 1: way I look at my stump and things like that,
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Speaker 1: and it's like often they're like when I'm walking outside
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Speaker 1: and people stare or point, They'll go, Mommy, why do
18:47
Speaker 1: they always do that, It's like, it's just your leg,
18:49
Speaker 1: there's nothing different. So for them it's just like, Oh,
18:52
Speaker 1: that's part of my mom and it's just who she is.
18:54
Speaker 1: So it's it's really sweet, and yeah, what.
18:58
Speaker 3: A beautiful lesson for them, like to see all different
19:02
Speaker 3: forms of people as beautiful. And also of note here
19:06
Speaker 3: you did talk about going through the mental recovery, but
19:10
Speaker 3: also the physical recovery I would assume had its fair
19:13
Speaker 3: share of challenges.
19:14
Speaker 2: Can you reflect on that experience with us?
19:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is it's a tedious process when
19:21
Speaker 1: when you have when you have your amputato, it's just
19:25
Speaker 1: it's a lot of pain. It's like it's it's nothing
19:29
Speaker 1: you can prepare you for the amount of pain. Even
19:33
Speaker 1: though like, and it was great in the hospital. I
19:36
Speaker 1: was on morphine for a while, which was fantastic because
19:39
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm not feeling anything, and then the
19:42
Speaker 1: shock comes when they send you home because you don't
19:45
Speaker 1: have that anymore. And it's just like you you kind
19:47
Speaker 1: of have to deal with this incredible amount of pain
19:51
Speaker 1: and just it can be debilitating because it's it's just
19:56
Speaker 1: there's just I can't I can't describe it. But then
19:59
Speaker 1: it's also the the other little things that you need
20:01
Speaker 1: to get used to. It's like getting up in the morning.
20:03
Speaker 1: I fell out of bed a few times because your
20:06
Speaker 1: brain still it's the weirdest thing. Your brain still thinks
20:10
Speaker 1: your foot is there. So when you do anything, like
20:13
Speaker 1: you get up at night and get out of bed.
20:15
Speaker 1: I had to swear we had to switch sides on
20:16
Speaker 1: our bed. Like it's just a simple thing, because as
20:19
Speaker 1: soon as I was getting out of bed, I put
20:21
Speaker 1: my foot out and I'd fall flat on my face.
20:24
Speaker 1: It's just it's such a like my brain took a
20:27
Speaker 1: while to kind of realize the foot wasn't there anymore,
20:30
Speaker 1: and then you have the whole phantom pain. Like I'd
20:33
Speaker 1: get my big toe with itch. It's the weirdest thing,
20:36
Speaker 1: and then you kind of like you reach down to
20:39
Speaker 1: scratch your non existent toe. It's like in the beginning
20:43
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my goodness, but now I laugh
20:45
Speaker 1: about it because I'm like, this is hilarious and it's
20:47
Speaker 1: like my husband's like, do you realize what you've just did?
20:49
Speaker 1: I was like, well what am I doing? It's like
20:51
Speaker 1: you just scratch your non existent toe and I was like,
20:53
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it just kind of becomes yeah, you kind
20:58
Speaker 1: of you have to make like And that's the other
21:01
Speaker 1: thing I'd like say to other NPCs, like, when you
21:03
Speaker 1: going through this, is you kind of there's a part
21:06
Speaker 1: of it you need to accept it. But and I
21:08
Speaker 1: always try to make it lighthearted and just kind of
21:10
Speaker 1: see the funny. I mean, I know it's serious, but
21:13
Speaker 1: it's laughter really helps. So it's just that's why I'm
21:16
Speaker 1: always wearing funny shirts and stuff like that, because I
21:18
Speaker 1: just I feel it's it's part of life, and it's
21:21
Speaker 1: just if you can kind of find the funny side
21:24
Speaker 1: in things sometimes it.
21:25
Speaker 2: Also helps, Yeah, of course for sure. And for you.
21:30
Speaker 3: Then you also mentioned and we talked about we touched
21:33
Speaker 3: on how you only recently started running about five years ago,
21:38
Speaker 3: the cost of the blade very a lot of money,
21:42
Speaker 3: how far into moving in this way, like did you
21:45
Speaker 3: buy the blade? And then you were like, well, I
21:47
Speaker 3: spend all this money on this thing, so now it's
21:49
Speaker 3: time to use it.
21:50
Speaker 1: Exactly, and that's why I'm I'm pushing I'm getting my
21:52
Speaker 1: money's money's worth out of my blade. That's why I'm
21:55
Speaker 1: pushing these limits.
21:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, people buy like treadmills all the time and then
22:00
Speaker 3: don't touch them for years. I mean, I would assume
22:02
Speaker 3: that a prosthetic is a lot, But that was.
22:06
Speaker 1: One of those things. My husband's like, you better like
22:08
Speaker 1: this because we're spending like ten grand on this, you
22:11
Speaker 1: better like it. I was like, oh, yeah, no pressure there.
22:14
Speaker 3: Now, As someone not an amputee, would you say that
22:18
Speaker 3: the active prosthetic or is there a proper name that
22:21
Speaker 3: I should be using for this a running blade?
22:24
Speaker 2: It's a running prosthetic, okay?
22:25
Speaker 3: Would you say that this is more comfortable than perhaps
22:28
Speaker 3: your every day or it's just a different feeling.
22:30
Speaker 1: It's a different feeling, like my every day is great.
22:33
Speaker 1: Like the running blade is really hard to walk in,
22:37
Speaker 1: so like it's it's just different because the walk the
22:40
Speaker 1: walking processus has a foot on it, like a proper foot,
22:44
Speaker 1: So it's just it's good. It's created for that. Where
22:47
Speaker 1: it's a running blade, it's a little bit more springy
22:49
Speaker 1: and it's made for running, so it kind of pushes you.
22:53
Speaker 1: It kind of just helps with that momentum of your
22:55
Speaker 1: your missing ankle, so it just kind of helps your movement.
22:59
Speaker 1: So when you're walking in it, it's not designed for that,
23:02
Speaker 1: so it kind of makes it a little bit more uncomfortable.
23:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:06
Speaker 3: Wow, that's so it's so interesting because I mean, one
23:09
Speaker 3: would think like, oh, it must be more flexible, it
23:11
Speaker 3: must be more comfortable to use regularly, but that's well.
23:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's probably because it is more flexible.
23:19
Speaker 1: It just kind of it It's weird because when you stand,
23:22
Speaker 1: it kind of pushes your stump a little bit more forward,
23:25
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So it's it's definitely more flexible,
23:28
Speaker 1: but when you're trying walk in that, it just makes
23:30
Speaker 1: it more uncomfortable. It's weird, but it's it's yeah, it's
23:35
Speaker 1: it's great because it's it's quite lightweight, so it just
23:38
Speaker 1: it just makes running a lot more comfortable.
23:40
Speaker 3: So when you started using your running prosthetic, did you
23:45
Speaker 3: feel excited?
23:46
Speaker 2: Did you feel dread? Did you feel like, Wow, it's
23:49
Speaker 2: going to take me some time to get used to that.
23:52
Speaker 1: I felt the first time I ran with it, I
23:55
Speaker 1: felt like I was flying. It was the weirdest sensation.
23:57
Speaker 1: But then also I was a little on us because
24:01
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing. They the process is hilarious because
24:06
Speaker 1: you get you get casted for this prosthetic and then
24:10
Speaker 1: they put the foot on. When you get your final
24:13
Speaker 1: like they give you a test socket and then they
24:16
Speaker 1: had it to you and then they go, well there
24:18
Speaker 1: you go off you go go run and it's like,
24:21
Speaker 1: wait a minute, how do I do this? So you
24:24
Speaker 1: have to figure that out because it's it's kind of
24:27
Speaker 1: like going out if you went for a run and
24:29
Speaker 1: you had your eyes closed. It's kind of that same feeling.
24:32
Speaker 1: It's because you're running on something that your brain hasn't
24:35
Speaker 1: picked up yet, so you're kind of nervous, like to
24:38
Speaker 1: put all your weight on it. And for me, that
24:41
Speaker 1: that's part took a long time because I had to
24:43
Speaker 1: develop those muscles and develop a relationship between my brain
24:47
Speaker 1: and the prosthetic just to kind of get that rhythm,
24:50
Speaker 1: going to fix up my stride because my stride was
24:52
Speaker 1: awful in the beginning because it just wasn't It just
24:55
Speaker 1: didn't feel normal. It just didn't feel right, and it
24:58
Speaker 1: was like weird. But yeah, it just takes some time
25:02
Speaker 1: and then you kind of get used to it and
25:03
Speaker 1: your brain kind of like picks up a little bit
25:05
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, okay, we can trust this, we
25:07
Speaker 1: can trust this weird thing.
25:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what about the cardiovascular side of things. I mean,
25:13
Speaker 3: to go from not running to running in itself for
25:16
Speaker 3: anyone prosthetic or not, amputy or not is not no.
25:21
Speaker 1: Because my first five k I thought I was going
25:23
Speaker 1: to die. I was like, what did I get myself into?
25:27
Speaker 1: And then I'm thinking, oh, I sent ten thousand dollars
25:30
Speaker 1: on this blade. I better like it. I better kind
25:32
Speaker 1: of keep going at it.
25:34
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So it was challenging.
25:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was great because it was a
25:39
Speaker 1: great challenge and I think it Yeah, it was just
25:43
Speaker 1: it kind of even though it was really hard, I
25:45
Speaker 1: just felt like I was doing something I thought would
25:48
Speaker 1: be impossible, and there's there's something with that. It just
25:52
Speaker 1: gives you a new motivation and it just kind of
25:55
Speaker 1: and yes, even though I've kind of gone from that
25:58
Speaker 1: five ks two one hundred and doing this hundred, I've
26:01
Speaker 1: had days where I'm like I don't want to run.
26:04
Speaker 1: I hate the sport. And I mean we all go
26:07
Speaker 1: through that because it just it gets I mean, running
26:09
Speaker 1: is not easy. It is a tough sport to get into,
26:12
Speaker 1: but it has so much good that you kind of
26:15
Speaker 1: stick with that and it's just, yeah, I love it.
26:18
Speaker 3: So then, what has been the evolution of trying to
26:23
Speaker 3: get through the five k to actually really falling in
26:26
Speaker 3: love with this thing and talking about it with this
26:29
Speaker 3: fondness that you reflect on it so much with now?
26:32
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, at some point, it just clicked. And that's
26:35
Speaker 1: why I always I always say to anyone that kind
26:38
Speaker 1: of wants to start running, is don't judge your run
26:40
Speaker 1: by your first the first try, because guaranteed most runners
26:45
Speaker 1: didn't love it from the beginning. Is kind of It's
26:48
Speaker 1: kind of one of those things where you just a
26:51
Speaker 1: few runs in and then suddenly somewhere it just clicks
26:54
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my goodness, this is just amazing.
26:56
Speaker 1: I love the sport and you just kind of get
26:58
Speaker 1: in and for me, it kind of clicked. And then
27:02
Speaker 1: I just started kind of upping distances and just kind
27:04
Speaker 1: of just pushing more boundaries, and I'm like, wow, this
27:07
Speaker 1: is incredible. I can do really really hard things and
27:10
Speaker 1: just like kind of just carried on with it.
27:13
Speaker 2: Just kind of carried out carried on.
27:16
Speaker 3: I do feel as though that app lesson is certainly
27:19
Speaker 3: applicable to so many things.
27:21
Speaker 1: Right.
27:21
Speaker 3: There are so many things that we put our effort
27:23
Speaker 3: to into one day or another, and on that one
27:26
Speaker 3: particular day it could feel completely wonky and just not
27:30
Speaker 3: like we are, you know, have any substance in our life.
27:33
Speaker 3: And then the next day it just you have just
27:36
Speaker 3: that one good moment that reminds you of what you're capable.
27:39
Speaker 1: Of exactly exactly. And I think too often we give
27:42
Speaker 1: up on ourselves too quickly, and it's just if we
27:45
Speaker 1: just kept at things and just kind of tried one
27:48
Speaker 1: more time, you surprise yourself.
27:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know what's going to happen with that
27:52
Speaker 2: one time.
27:53
Speaker 3: So talk to me then about your first ever marathon.
27:59
Speaker 1: My first ever marathon was Chicago actually in twenty seventeen. Yeah,
28:06
Speaker 1: that was that was I was quite a mess.
28:10
Speaker 2: Divine mess, Jackie.
28:12
Speaker 1: Oh, it was just like I couldn't wait to get
28:14
Speaker 1: to the finish line. I was like, oh my goodness,
28:17
Speaker 1: I need to get done now. I mean, to be honest,
28:20
Speaker 1: go going into it, I hadn't. I hadn't really trained
28:23
Speaker 1: them much as I should have done. Probably if I'm
28:26
Speaker 1: totally honest with myself, but I still smile when I
28:29
Speaker 1: think about Chicago Marathon, just because even though it was hard,
28:33
Speaker 1: it was just the atmosphere of the crowd. It was like, Wow,
28:38
Speaker 1: it was just incredible. It definitely is, and probably because
28:41
Speaker 1: it was my first, it is one of my favorite
28:43
Speaker 1: marathons that I kind of just remember and yeah, it
28:47
Speaker 1: was just it was just an amazing experience.
28:50
Speaker 3: And did you feel as though you were hooked from
28:52
Speaker 3: that point on or did you think when you finished
28:54
Speaker 3: that you may never do one again?
28:56
Speaker 1: I probably I remember saying when I crossed the finish
28:59
Speaker 1: line doing this again, and then ten minutes later I
29:02
Speaker 1: was like, oh, heck, sign me up again.
29:06
Speaker 3: And then, of course, fast forward five years and here
29:10
Speaker 3: we are. So now let's segue into the conception of
29:14
Speaker 3: this crazy idea.
29:16
Speaker 2: Where were you, where were you sitting? Who were you
29:18
Speaker 2: with when you.
29:19
Speaker 3: Said I have this thought about this thing.
29:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when I broke the news to my husband,
29:27
Speaker 1: He's like, wait, what what are you going to do again?
29:29
Speaker 1: And he rolled his eyes at me. It came kind
29:31
Speaker 1: of put on a post through social media, as it does,
29:34
Speaker 1: and that someone had done ninety five consecutive days, and
29:38
Speaker 1: it was they said this, yeah, and it was just
29:40
Speaker 1: like and I looked at that and I thought, oh,
29:42
Speaker 1: my goodness, that looks amazing. I'm like, I wonder if
29:45
Speaker 1: I could, as an mputee, if I'd be able to
29:47
Speaker 1: take that on. Because I was looking at stupidly, I
29:51
Speaker 1: was like, oh, what's going to be my next challenge,
29:53
Speaker 1: not as if anything else I'm doing was hard enough.
29:55
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, let's see how much more
29:57
Speaker 1: can I push myself. And then this came up, and
30:00
Speaker 1: I was like it would be really good. Like they
30:02
Speaker 1: finished on ninety five and I was like, no, why
30:05
Speaker 1: didn't you finish on one hundred? It's just five more.
30:10
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I was like, thinking, it's only five more,
30:14
Speaker 1: and so I kind of just like that's how it went.
30:19
Speaker 1: And I just told my husband, oh wow, I saw
30:21
Speaker 1: this ninety five consecutive marathons. I'm going to go after it.
30:25
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to
30:26
Speaker 1: do one hundred and I've applied. I've applied to take
30:30
Speaker 1: it on, so I'm going to start on this day.
30:32
Speaker 1: I had already worked it all out and I'm like, oh, yeah,
30:35
Speaker 1: do you mind, I'm going to do this. He's like,
30:37
Speaker 1: wait what?
30:40
Speaker 3: And this became your full time job, like you're not
30:43
Speaker 3: working nine to five and then also finding time drawing
30:46
Speaker 3: a marathon.
30:47
Speaker 1: No, this this became my main job. I mean I
30:50
Speaker 1: do coaching on this. I kind of do coaching and stuff.
30:53
Speaker 1: But that kind of took a bit of a backstep
30:55
Speaker 1: just so I could focus on this because it was
30:57
Speaker 1: weird because you're doing them something but their normal life,
31:01
Speaker 1: like my kids had to go to school, my kids
31:03
Speaker 1: had to do homework, you need to cook dinner, and
31:06
Speaker 1: and it's like everything kind of kind of blurred into
31:09
Speaker 1: one a little bit because we had to still normal
31:11
Speaker 1: life was still going on.
31:14
Speaker 2: How many marathons?
31:15
Speaker 1: Aden?
31:15
Speaker 3: Did you have your first thought? Am I actually going
31:19
Speaker 3: to keep doing this? I?
31:21
Speaker 1: I yeah. I kind of had like a mixed mixed
31:24
Speaker 1: emotions because when I started, I didn't know how far
31:27
Speaker 1: it would get. Then I thought, you know what, I
31:29
Speaker 1: might actually only make it to thirty because there were
31:32
Speaker 1: so many factors I had to think about running with
31:34
Speaker 1: a blade, like, yeah, is my stump My biggest concern was,
31:38
Speaker 1: is my stump actually gonna hold up? Because it's because
31:41
Speaker 1: my stump is really bony, and it's like I always
31:44
Speaker 1: get issues with my tibia and a lot of swelling
31:47
Speaker 1: and things like that. So there was like all these
31:49
Speaker 1: unknown factors. Like going into it, I was like, well,
31:52
Speaker 1: we'll see, maybe maybe my blade snaps when I get
31:56
Speaker 1: to city, my city marathon. You just didn't know. So
31:59
Speaker 1: when I got to when I actually got to thirty five,
32:03
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my goodness, Okay, I'm actually maybe
32:07
Speaker 1: gonna do this. It's kind of like, okay, I've got
32:10
Speaker 1: this far. Now I can kind of just keep pushing
32:12
Speaker 1: through and just kind of keep going. And then I
32:15
Speaker 1: had like I got to fifty and I had this
32:18
Speaker 1: whole total breakdown. I was like, you know what, And
32:21
Speaker 1: it's weird because I actually posted about that because it
32:24
Speaker 1: was I was tired and my brain like, it's weird.
32:28
Speaker 1: How what I've learned with this whole process is how
32:31
Speaker 1: powerful your mind is. And my mind started telling me
32:35
Speaker 1: is like, you know what, fifty is a good distance.
32:37
Speaker 1: Don't overdo it. You're fine. You like fifty, no one
32:42
Speaker 1: will say anything fifty marathons, fifty days is fantastic. And
32:46
Speaker 1: it's just like I had to fight through that. I'm like, no,
32:49
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, I'm like, physically, I feel absolutely fine.
32:53
Speaker 1: If I quit now, I'm gonna be really really disappointed
32:56
Speaker 1: in myself, especially because if if I haven't broken my
32:59
Speaker 1: foot or my blade hasn't broken, I had absolutely no
33:04
Speaker 1: excuse to keep going, to not keep going. So that's
33:07
Speaker 1: kind of how I was like playing with my like
33:10
Speaker 1: mind games all the time. It was it was it
33:12
Speaker 1: was funny that I was just having to convince myself
33:15
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Speaker 3: How did you feel on day number one when you
35:36
Speaker 3: shared your goal with the world scared? I was actually
35:41
Speaker 3: really impressed that you stepped outside of your comfort zone
35:46
Speaker 3: that early, Like you made the announcement and you were like,
35:49
Speaker 3: I'm in because it could have been.
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Speaker 2: Super simple for you to just start this.
35:54
Speaker 3: And see how it fell and then tell the world.
35:58
Speaker 1: It's kind of the whole thing accountability, I guess a
36:01
Speaker 1: little bit. Because you tell the world, oh, I'm doing this,
36:04
Speaker 1: and there is a bit of a responsibility. You then
36:06
Speaker 1: feel like, well, I've put it all out there, I
36:09
Speaker 1: can't fail now kind of thing. But it's really really
36:13
Speaker 1: scary to put yourself out there. But I always teach
36:16
Speaker 1: my kids that, you know what, it's okay to fail. Fail.
36:20
Speaker 1: A failure doesn't mean that it's the end of it.
36:24
Speaker 1: What means is that the best thing is that you
36:26
Speaker 1: tried and you gave it a shot. And I just
36:29
Speaker 1: feel like that is just a lot of us. A
36:32
Speaker 1: lot of the times people don't try things because they're
36:34
Speaker 1: more scared of the failure than giving it a try.
36:37
Speaker 1: And I've learned the most out of Like when I've
36:40
Speaker 1: failed at a race and I say fail, for me,
36:43
Speaker 1: it's never been a failure. It's always a lesson. I've
36:46
Speaker 1: always learned something Like if I haven't had finished a race,
36:49
Speaker 1: I've learned and I'm like, Okay, well next time, I
36:51
Speaker 1: can do things better. And this is what So I
36:54
Speaker 1: deliberately kind of put myself out there because yeah, I
36:57
Speaker 1: could fail big time and it would be like it
37:00
Speaker 1: would be partly embarrassing, but it's also you know what,
37:03
Speaker 1: this is who I am, and sometimes things don't go
37:06
Speaker 1: your way and it's okay, then you pick yourself up
37:08
Speaker 1: and you try again.
37:09
Speaker 2: I appreciate that mentality for sure.
37:11
Speaker 3: You know, it's definitely a theme that we talk a
37:15
Speaker 3: lot about here on Hurdle. And for you to know
37:19
Speaker 3: that this could go so many different directions and that
37:22
Speaker 3: whatever direction that it went in would be one that
37:26
Speaker 3: you could learn from, that's really really valuable.
37:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely super valuable.
37:31
Speaker 3: So you talked about getting to these like little benchmarks
37:34
Speaker 3: along the way that kind of instilled confidence that.
37:37
Speaker 2: You could keep going.
37:38
Speaker 3: But I'm sure that did not mean that you didn't
37:41
Speaker 3: face your fair share of hurdles on your journey. So
37:45
Speaker 3: when you reflect on that period of time and you
37:48
Speaker 3: think about those one hundred and four marathons, what would
37:51
Speaker 3: you say were some of the biggest hurdles that you
37:54
Speaker 3: face along the way.
37:55
Speaker 1: I think it was it was emotional, Like I remember
38:00
Speaker 1: at one point I kind of like some of the
38:03
Speaker 1: runs were just hard. They were really really hard. Like
38:05
Speaker 1: you get up and you were like your mind is
38:09
Speaker 1: like I'm tired. My body is tight, and it's like
38:13
Speaker 1: my muscles are all tight, and it's like, oh my goodness,
38:16
Speaker 1: I need to run another marathon, as like how am
38:18
Speaker 1: I going to get through this? And then you start
38:21
Speaker 1: and things just don't feel nice. It's like this is
38:24
Speaker 1: really hard and you're just kind of finding like the
38:27
Speaker 1: emotions and the one particular runner it was a hard
38:30
Speaker 1: run and it's like I would stop at mile five
38:32
Speaker 1: and I was like I kind of sat down. I
38:34
Speaker 1: was like I don't think I can do this, and yeah,
38:37
Speaker 1: this is like really hard. I'm like I'm just not
38:39
Speaker 1: because you get those runs where you go out and
38:41
Speaker 1: you're just not feeling it. It's just like this is
38:44
Speaker 1: just your strides off, everything's just not jelling, and it's
38:47
Speaker 1: just like but then I kind of I've learned now,
38:50
Speaker 1: and I think with this whole process, it's really built
38:53
Speaker 1: mental strength. So I'm so grateful that I did go
38:58
Speaker 1: down this journey because it's kind of one of those
39:00
Speaker 1: things where I had to learn and say, Okay, it's okay,
39:03
Speaker 1: just focus on the next mile. And that's what I
39:05
Speaker 1: did with a lot of the runs when they were
39:07
Speaker 1: really really hard. I just focus on the next mile
39:09
Speaker 1: and then get to the mile, celebrate that mile, you know,
39:12
Speaker 1: just like because I think a lot of the times
39:14
Speaker 1: when we when we're doing hard things, we forget to
39:16
Speaker 1: celebrate and we forget to like pat ourselves on the
39:19
Speaker 1: back because you did a great job, you phenomen just
39:21
Speaker 1: keep going. And so that's what I did, and it's
39:24
Speaker 1: just like I just kind of just every step of
39:26
Speaker 1: the just kind of one step at a time, just
39:28
Speaker 1: kind of get and then before you know it, you're like, ad,
39:31
Speaker 1: you've done the distance, and it's like heck, yeah, I
39:33
Speaker 1: thought through that. And then it's kind of weird because
39:35
Speaker 1: then you feel you feel really great about yourself, like
39:38
Speaker 1: you forget about the good runs. You like, you know
39:41
Speaker 1: what I crushed a bad run. I totally crushed the
39:44
Speaker 1: bad run.
39:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:46
Speaker 3: They always say that you learn more from your failures
39:48
Speaker 3: and the hard times than you do from the big
39:51
Speaker 3: moments of celebration and success.
39:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, waking up.
39:55
Speaker 3: Everyday groundhogs day running for something like five hours, would
39:59
Speaker 3: you say, Yeah, was there any single marathon effort that
40:04
Speaker 3: you literally asked yourself, am I going to be able
40:07
Speaker 3: to finish this?
40:08
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it was probably well at like number
40:11
Speaker 1: eighty or something like that. And it's weird because it's
40:15
Speaker 1: it's like you're so close, but yet you're still so far.
40:19
Speaker 1: And it's like because like people are like, oh, yes, eighty,
40:21
Speaker 1: you've only got like twenty at the time, I was
40:23
Speaker 1: only going for one hundred, You've only got like, you've
40:26
Speaker 1: only got twenty left, And it's like, no, you do
40:29
Speaker 1: realize how much work that is. Kind of you you
40:32
Speaker 1: become overwhelmed with her and you're like, I'm just so
40:35
Speaker 1: tired you you can't see stray and and so I yeah,
40:39
Speaker 1: I had to kind of fight through those like really
40:42
Speaker 1: really hard times just to kind of keep going. But
40:44
Speaker 1: then you focus on the bigger picture and you're like, well,
40:46
Speaker 1: if you quit now you're going to be so disappointed
40:48
Speaker 1: because you you are that close, and it's like you
40:51
Speaker 1: kind of try and change the wording and just kind
40:53
Speaker 1: of try and change your mindset a little bit.
40:56
Speaker 2: I remember and escapes me when this was.
41:00
Speaker 3: But there was one day that you ran to.
41:04
Speaker 1: Told me, remind me, yeah, that was number thirty five.
41:09
Speaker 2: Of course it was, Yeah, it was.
41:12
Speaker 1: It was. It was a weird thing. And it's like,
41:14
Speaker 1: I'm who knows because the rules, the rules aren't like
41:19
Speaker 1: totally black and white, and it's like it's open for interpretation.
41:23
Speaker 1: And I had signed up, I was actually going to
41:26
Speaker 1: do a race that day, and I had signed up
41:28
Speaker 1: for a marathon, but with childcare with my kiddos and stuff,
41:31
Speaker 1: I changed it. I changed it to the half. So
41:33
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, it'd be fine. I'll do
41:35
Speaker 1: the half and then I'll come and check and make
41:38
Speaker 1: sure my kids are okay, and then I'll do the
41:40
Speaker 1: other half. I know it. It doesn't It definitely doesn't
41:43
Speaker 1: say that you can't kind of split it. And that
41:45
Speaker 1: was the first time I had ever done that. Like
41:47
Speaker 1: I've always like gone out and just did everything a
41:50
Speaker 1: marathon and it was just like this, I was like well,
41:53
Speaker 1: there's nothing else I can do right now, so I'm
41:55
Speaker 1: just going to have to do that and just hopefully
41:57
Speaker 1: and obviously being on social media and being open, you're
42:02
Speaker 1: always going to be open for criticism, which was fine,
42:06
Speaker 1: and a few people kind of came back and said,
42:08
Speaker 1: well that didn't count then, and I was like part
42:12
Speaker 1: of me and a lot of people so then said
42:14
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have cared because it did count, and I'm like, yeah,
42:16
Speaker 1: but I'm not one hundred percent sure. And it's like
42:19
Speaker 1: when you're doing something like this, if you get to
42:21
Speaker 1: the end and then you have to submit all your
42:25
Speaker 1: data and stuff, and then they're going to come back
42:27
Speaker 1: and say, well, actually thirty five didn't count, so then
42:30
Speaker 1: you'd feel bad because you'd like, oh, shoot, I should
42:33
Speaker 1: have just so it was weird. I saw that. I'm like, right,
42:38
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just gonna go do another one.
42:40
Speaker 1: And I literally went out and ran a full marathon,
42:44
Speaker 1: and I was like part of me was broken at
42:46
Speaker 1: the end because I literally I think I made it
42:48
Speaker 1: within six minutes of the time, because I had to
42:51
Speaker 1: do it before twelve because you have to do it
42:54
Speaker 1: within the twenty four hours, so that was counting against
42:57
Speaker 1: me too, And yeah, it was hard because I hadn't
43:02
Speaker 1: obviously not plan nutrition for running fifty miles. I mean
43:06
Speaker 1: because when I when I do my ultras, I the
43:09
Speaker 1: nutrition is a little bit different, like on the day
43:11
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, because you just obviously you need
43:13
Speaker 1: more calories and things. Yeah, so it kind of from there,
43:19
Speaker 1: and it's like part of me couldn't believe I had
43:21
Speaker 1: actually done it. A lot of I'm like, I'm like,
43:24
Speaker 1: am I some kind of freak? I don't know, because
43:26
Speaker 1: I kind of just got on with it and got
43:27
Speaker 1: it done, and it was I think it was just
43:31
Speaker 1: part of like, well, now this see I've done it
43:34
Speaker 1: and it's correct and that's it. It's done, and dust
43:36
Speaker 1: it because I don't I kind of want to do
43:39
Speaker 1: things correctly and as it's probably I'm a bit of
43:42
Speaker 1: a perfectionist. So I think that's probably my damfall too,
43:45
Speaker 1: because most people wouldn't care. And then but the hard
43:49
Speaker 1: thing was next two days because I had to kind
43:52
Speaker 1: of catch up on calories because I had a bit
43:54
Speaker 1: of a deficit. So the next two runs were really
43:57
Speaker 1: really hard. And this whole process has taught me how
44:00
Speaker 1: amazing our bodies are because it's like my body adapted again,
44:03
Speaker 1: and it just kind of I was like, how am
44:05
Speaker 1: I doing this? It's just like it's just kind of
44:08
Speaker 1: just going and it just keeps going. And that's why
44:10
Speaker 1: I'm a very strong believer you. We're stronger than what
44:13
Speaker 1: we think we are. It's normally our mindset hold us
44:15
Speaker 1: back and it's just like this, Yeah and yeah.
44:19
Speaker 2: Two follow up questions from that.
44:20
Speaker 3: First of all, you mentioned how difficult it can be
44:24
Speaker 3: at times to be open about your process. Now so
44:27
Speaker 3: many people keeping up with you on social media. I
44:30
Speaker 3: feel like anytime I look at one of your tweets,
44:32
Speaker 3: like four thousand people have liked it.
44:34
Speaker 2: Talk to me about that.
44:36
Speaker 3: Talk to me about how that has been the adjustment
44:39
Speaker 3: of opening yourself up to that criticism has been, and
44:43
Speaker 3: how you navigate it on a daily basis.
44:46
Speaker 2: To have so many people keeping up with you.
44:48
Speaker 1: I try, and because it can. It's it's kind of
44:52
Speaker 1: one of those things where you have a love hate
44:54
Speaker 1: relationship with social media because it's it can be. It's
44:57
Speaker 1: full of so much good and that's what I focus on,
45:00
Speaker 1: and sometimes you kind of tend to like focus on
45:04
Speaker 1: like the negative side of it a little bit too.
45:06
Speaker 1: Much sometimes And what I've done with this whole one
45:08
Speaker 1: hundred and four is I have made an effort to
45:13
Speaker 1: focus on the really good and that's what got me
45:15
Speaker 1: through because the support has been phenomenal. It has been
45:20
Speaker 1: absolutely and yes, it's scary. It is so scary to
45:23
Speaker 1: like post like because I remember the first time I
45:26
Speaker 1: ever did a tweet, I was like, what am I doing?
45:28
Speaker 1: What do I write? And stuff? And now I just
45:31
Speaker 1: kind of put it out there and I'm like, it's
45:32
Speaker 1: scary because you're like, yeah, it's someone going to come
45:35
Speaker 1: back and criticize me or someone going to say something,
45:37
Speaker 1: and how do you deal with that? And it's like
45:40
Speaker 1: you just learn to deal with it and you just
45:42
Speaker 1: ignore the bad and you just focus on the good
45:45
Speaker 1: because there is so much good out there. And it's
45:48
Speaker 1: just I just I can never thank people enough for
45:52
Speaker 1: the amount of sport I go with doing this. It's
45:55
Speaker 1: just it's been phenomenal.
45:57
Speaker 2: It blows my mind the end of it.
46:00
Speaker 3: As that make it a priority and take the time
46:04
Speaker 3: out of their day to bring somebody else down who
46:07
Speaker 3: is clearly trying to do something so good. It's not
46:11
Speaker 3: as though you were just going after this for the record. Like,
46:15
Speaker 3: so much good came from this effort. It's acronomical.
46:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And that's I had the conversation actually with
46:24
Speaker 1: my husband this morning. I'm like, even if someone else
46:26
Speaker 1: goes off to the record, for me, it wasn't about
46:28
Speaker 1: the record ever. It was like the record was a
46:31
Speaker 1: nice thing, but I wanted to do good. I wanted
46:34
Speaker 1: to show people that they can be stronger than what
46:37
Speaker 1: they think they are and just and raise money. And
46:40
Speaker 1: it's just the whole journey. And it's like, and I
46:43
Speaker 1: agree with you. I'm not sure why people feel the
46:45
Speaker 1: need to bring other people down because I grew up
46:50
Speaker 1: saying wow, my parents were really really strict and they
46:54
Speaker 1: always said, if you don't have anything good to say,
46:55
Speaker 1: don't say it. So I'm like, that's how I that's
46:58
Speaker 1: my motto if if if I see something I don't
47:01
Speaker 1: agree with and that deep another person. Really that's what
47:05
Speaker 1: they're I'm like, you know what, if I don't have
47:06
Speaker 1: a good thing to say, I'm not going to say anything.
47:09
Speaker 2: What's that saying.
47:10
Speaker 3: It's like, this isn't an airport. You don't need to
47:12
Speaker 3: like announce your departure.
47:15
Speaker 2: Like just leave exactly, leave me alone, leave me alone.
47:20
Speaker 3: Well, now let's fast forward a little bit to the
47:24
Speaker 3: big moment finishing the final marathon. Now it goes it
47:30
Speaker 3: needs to be said that you, along your journey find
47:34
Speaker 3: out that there is another woman that is also taking
47:39
Speaker 3: on a similar feat Kate Jaden, who ultimately what did
47:44
Speaker 3: she run?
47:44
Speaker 2: She ran one hundred and one marathon run one hundred
47:46
Speaker 2: and one. Yeah, so you're on.
47:49
Speaker 3: Marathon eighty six when you find out that she also
47:52
Speaker 3: did something like this, did you like literally want.
47:55
Speaker 2: To like, how did you feel?
47:58
Speaker 1: I kind of I was a little show because I'm like,
48:00
Speaker 1: I didn't think anyone else would be this crazy to
48:03
Speaker 1: take it on, and I was like, what the hell.
48:07
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I was like, you know what,
48:09
Speaker 1: a woman can be so freaking strong, and I'm like,
48:12
Speaker 1: you know what, there is something to be said with that,
48:14
Speaker 1: and I'm like that's amazing. That just pushes me a
48:16
Speaker 1: little bit more. And then I was like, oh, yeah,
48:18
Speaker 1: you know, I just changed my goal. Now it's like
48:20
Speaker 1: one hundred and two before, So.
48:23
Speaker 2: When did you decide to go from one hundred and
48:24
Speaker 2: two to one hundred and four.
48:26
Speaker 1: Oh? That was like, I think like the week before
48:29
Speaker 1: or something, because I looked at the dates, and I
48:32
Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, I might as well end April
48:34
Speaker 1: with the marathon because I'm like, because my one hundred
48:38
Speaker 1: and two was the Thursday, so I was like, you
48:39
Speaker 1: know what, I might as well do Friday and Saturday,
48:41
Speaker 1: and then it just round it off. Wow.
48:44
Speaker 3: Well, I saw the beautiful video of you finishing that
48:48
Speaker 3: final marathon, super emotional, super special.
48:51
Speaker 2: Talk to us about how that really felt for you.
48:54
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was just I think part of
48:58
Speaker 1: the journey was just because the amount of support I
49:01
Speaker 1: had received, and also that I wasn't I honestly when
49:05
Speaker 1: I started, I wasn't. I didn't. There was there was
49:07
Speaker 1: part of my mind that didn't think I'd make it
49:10
Speaker 1: this far, just because of all the factors and stuff.
49:13
Speaker 1: So I was like, I couldn't believe I'd done it.
49:16
Speaker 1: I think I was a little bit surprised a little bit,
49:18
Speaker 1: And it was just it was incredible, and it was
49:20
Speaker 1: incredible having my family there, just because for them then
49:24
Speaker 1: this has been really hard because a lot.
49:27
Speaker 2: Of opportunity cost for everyone involved.
49:29
Speaker 1: Exactly, and it was it was really like our family
49:32
Speaker 1: life just took a backstep, and it was it was hard.
49:35
Speaker 1: It was hard. For the kids, because the kids, like,
49:38
Speaker 1: when I finished Numb one hundred and four, my son
49:40
Speaker 1: was like, are you finished now, Mummy, And I'm like yes,
49:44
Speaker 1: He's like yes finally, And I mean they're they're super
49:48
Speaker 1: happy and super proud. They tell all their friends and
49:51
Speaker 1: school and stuff. But I think for them it was
49:53
Speaker 1: nice to kind of have a little bit more mummy time.
49:56
Speaker 2: Did you face criticism about that?
50:00
Speaker 1: Actually, I know a lot of people were really supportive
50:03
Speaker 1: about that. They were more curious how I was kind
50:06
Speaker 1: of managing it all and stuff and I and I
50:09
Speaker 1: must say my husband, my husband was a rock star
50:11
Speaker 1: because he just really helped with the kids and stuff.
50:13
Speaker 1: I think I kind of feel bad for him because
50:15
Speaker 1: I think he was really stressed. Football buddy.
50:20
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is coming out just over a
50:23
Speaker 3: week after you finishing your major beautiful feet.
50:28
Speaker 2: What's life like for you now?
50:31
Speaker 1: To be honest, I've been It's been a bit of
50:32
Speaker 1: a rollercoaster because I've been on like so many interviews
50:35
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I'm like, ah, it's been a little
50:39
Speaker 1: bit overwhelming, but it's nice because I can, yeah, just
50:43
Speaker 1: spend some time with the kidders when they get home
50:45
Speaker 1: from school. And stuff, and it's not like, oh, mommy
50:48
Speaker 1: needs recovery and mommy needs to do this. I need
50:50
Speaker 1: to do this, so it's kind of they can kind
50:51
Speaker 1: of get a little bit more focused time with me. So, yeah,
50:55
Speaker 1: it's it's been good, but I'm itching to run again.
51:00
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned the R word recovery, something that I
51:03
Speaker 3: know that we should touch on before we continue here.
51:06
Speaker 3: I know you were big on epso celt baths. Also
51:08
Speaker 3: making sure that you were getting sleep. What else aside
51:11
Speaker 3: from that was a really big priority for you. Nutrition,
51:14
Speaker 3: I'm assuming yeah.
51:15
Speaker 1: Nutrition. I had to make sure I was eating the
51:17
Speaker 1: right stuff to recover, which was really bad. Which was
51:20
Speaker 1: really hard because in the beginning, I was just eating
51:22
Speaker 1: whatever I wanted to, Like I was Pizza's, doughnuts, whatever.
51:25
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to kind of load up, and
51:28
Speaker 1: it's like I was cheating it, like as if I
51:30
Speaker 1: was doing one race. But then what I found was
51:32
Speaker 1: that my body wasn't recovering fast enough because I wasn't
51:35
Speaker 1: getting the nutrients that I needed. So I kind of
51:37
Speaker 1: had to switch it up a little bit and just
51:40
Speaker 1: make sure it was kind of a little bit more
51:42
Speaker 1: healthy and just getting more of a balanced diet. And
51:47
Speaker 1: then I was also making sure like I was rolling
51:50
Speaker 1: a lot, which, to be honest, like going into this,
51:53
Speaker 1: I was the worst with the recovery. I would never stretch,
51:57
Speaker 1: I would never roll. I'm like, yeah, I've got a roller,
51:59
Speaker 1: what do I do with it? I was just terrible,
52:02
Speaker 1: and I was like with this, I'm like, wow, if
52:04
Speaker 1: I want to get to the finish, I'm going to
52:06
Speaker 1: have to change my attitude with it a little bit.
52:09
Speaker 1: So I made sure like my stump, I was icing
52:11
Speaker 1: it every night just because of the swelling I was.
52:14
Speaker 1: I've got one of those message guns. I was using
52:17
Speaker 1: it all the time. So I had like like a
52:20
Speaker 1: little bit of a session like after I take a bus.
52:23
Speaker 1: I just do all these things just to make sure
52:25
Speaker 1: my muscles just kind of had better way of recovering, right,
52:30
Speaker 1: all the maintenance.
52:31
Speaker 3: Now, you did put up a post the other day
52:32
Speaker 3: talking about this effort. By the numbers from one running
52:36
Speaker 3: blade to two hundred boiled potatoes, one hundred peanut butter
52:39
Speaker 3: and jelly sandwiches, giving a little bit of insight into
52:42
Speaker 3: your diet, which, as you noted, definitely evolved over time.
52:46
Speaker 3: I love the highlight of two hundred gummy worms, So
52:49
Speaker 3: where did the gummy worms come into play?
52:51
Speaker 2: And I'm also astounded by only twenty pizzas.
52:54
Speaker 1: I know, I had a few people say, what only
52:57
Speaker 1: twenty pizzas? And then I had some like you, actually,
53:00
Speaker 1: you mean twenty bags of gummy worms, right, not just
53:03
Speaker 1: like two or like two hundred bags of gummywims. I
53:06
Speaker 1: was like, uh yeaheah, I should have changed that a
53:08
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I'm a big fan because I use
53:12
Speaker 1: gummy worms when I do ultras. It's just good because
53:14
Speaker 1: it gives you a quick shug of figs and stuff,
53:16
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just nice to choose something else that
53:19
Speaker 1: is in gel and things like that. So yeah, it was.
53:22
Speaker 1: It was funny the comments that I got when I
53:24
Speaker 1: posted that.
53:27
Speaker 2: I loved it.
53:28
Speaker 3: I loved it, and I personally am a relatively new
53:31
Speaker 3: gummy worm enthusiast. So I feel like now I'm going
53:34
Speaker 3: to have to maybe start using them on my runs.
53:36
Speaker 3: I feel like when I started running, I was like
53:38
Speaker 3: really into like the energy choose because it did feel
53:40
Speaker 3: like you were getting like candy.
53:42
Speaker 2: On your way.
53:43
Speaker 3: But over time I have switched to like element packets
53:47
Speaker 3: and more in gels, and you know, less exciting.
53:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and gummy worms a little bit cheaper too than
53:54
Speaker 1: all the gels and stuff. So I'm like, you know why,
53:55
Speaker 1: it's a win win because it's kind of does the
53:57
Speaker 1: same thing. So I'm like, I'll just do gummy It's.
54:00
Speaker 2: A win win.
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Speaker 3: Well, you are in, as you mentioned, this tailwind of
54:05
Speaker 3: post accomplishment media and whatnot. But I do want to
54:09
Speaker 3: check in a little bit about how you're feeling emotionally.
54:12
Speaker 3: You joked a little bit being a little anxious to run.
54:15
Speaker 3: I would assume that accomplishing something like this is kind
54:19
Speaker 3: of like it's momentous.
54:21
Speaker 2: It's a life moment.
54:23
Speaker 3: It's what some would liken too, maybe a wedding or
54:27
Speaker 3: your graduate degree or having a child, Like it's big, right,
54:31
Speaker 3: So do you feel as though you're on a little
54:34
Speaker 3: bit of the come down now?
54:35
Speaker 2: Like, how do you feel emotional?
54:37
Speaker 1: I do. I do feel like I'm like I'm kind
54:40
Speaker 1: of getting to the point that where I'm like, oh,
54:41
Speaker 1: what's next, Cause it's like it's kind of like when
54:44
Speaker 1: you've been like this has been life for like one
54:46
Speaker 1: hundred and four days, and I've been like really open
54:49
Speaker 1: on social media, posting every day, and it's like You're
54:51
Speaker 1: getting like so many people interacting and stuff, and I'm like, oh,
54:56
Speaker 1: now this is all going to die off, and it's
54:57
Speaker 1: like what do I do next? So it's kind of
55:00
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like part of me you kind
55:02
Speaker 1: of get addicted to that, like that sense of accomplishment,
55:05
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, now you need to kind of
55:07
Speaker 1: fill it up with something else. What are you going
55:09
Speaker 1: to do next? But I'm trying to be really really
55:11
Speaker 1: careful because I again it's on the whole point of
55:14
Speaker 1: that we often don't celebrate our accomplishments, and I feel
55:18
Speaker 1: like with this one, I'm like, this is such a
55:20
Speaker 1: big deal, Like it's not at all about the record.
55:25
Speaker 1: It's it's just about the fact that I managed to
55:29
Speaker 1: run one hundred and four marathons as an amputee and
55:33
Speaker 1: the amount of lives that have changed and just highlighting
55:36
Speaker 1: what amputies can do and stuff. And I feel like
55:39
Speaker 1: that is a proud moment for me. And I'm not
55:41
Speaker 1: trying to I hope I'm not coming across arrogant or anything.
55:44
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is just really important and so
55:47
Speaker 1: I'm trying to celebrate that fact and just so it's
55:53
Speaker 1: it is hard, it's hard because you are starting to
55:55
Speaker 1: come down and you're like, oh, okay, now what am
55:57
Speaker 1: I going to do? But I'm trying to be good
56:00
Speaker 1: about it and just trying to celebrate the moments.
56:03
Speaker 3: I've never run one hundred and four marathons in one
56:05
Speaker 3: hundred and four days. I also like, haven't gotten married
56:09
Speaker 3: or at a kid. But I have done things in
56:12
Speaker 3: my life that have felt really important, so I can
56:14
Speaker 3: sympathize with this like post big moment, and in my experience,
56:19
Speaker 3: something that has helped me, especially when my accomplishments have
56:22
Speaker 3: been athletic, have been kind of coming back to my
56:26
Speaker 3: value as emily outside of being an athlete and outside
56:30
Speaker 3: of being a runner. I mean, we hear all the
56:33
Speaker 3: time of these stories of athletes navigating depression, especially after
56:38
Speaker 3: these big accomplishments, maybe something like the Olympics, And so
56:41
Speaker 3: it is really important not only that you have this
56:44
Speaker 3: frame of mind that you do right now finding that
56:46
Speaker 3: those small winds and the glory in your day to day,
56:48
Speaker 3: but also thinking long term about how Jackie is going
56:52
Speaker 3: to keep showing up for herself beyond putting on that
56:55
Speaker 3: running prosthetic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that is a very very bad point that
57:00
Speaker 1: of course.
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Speaker 3: We would be we would be remiss if we didn't
57:03
Speaker 3: highlight that you do have another race on your docket.
57:06
Speaker 1: What are you happening at right now? Only two hundred
57:08
Speaker 1: and forty miles. Two hundred and forty miles. Yeah, that's
57:12
Speaker 1: in October. It's still a long way away.
57:14
Speaker 2: It is a long way away.
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Speaker 1: No, I start. I'm going to start training for that
57:18
Speaker 1: in two weeks time, just to get back because I
57:20
Speaker 1: need to get back on the trails because I haven't
57:23
Speaker 1: because this is a trail race two hundred and forty
57:26
Speaker 1: I need to kind of and trail trail running on
57:28
Speaker 1: a prosthetic just takes, so it's just a different style
57:32
Speaker 1: of running. So I need to go out on the
57:34
Speaker 1: trails and practice and just kind of get a lot
57:36
Speaker 1: of hit more hills. Because I've been running with the marathons,
57:39
Speaker 1: I've been running them quite flat just to get through them.
57:42
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm excited because it would be good to
57:45
Speaker 1: kind of get out doing the race and just being
57:47
Speaker 1: out there and just being in the mountains again and
57:50
Speaker 1: just yeah, I love I love being out on the
57:52
Speaker 1: trails and that's kind of where I find a very
57:55
Speaker 1: therapeutic too. Is just like with this whole finding myself
57:59
Speaker 1: and just cut going out there, going for a nice
58:01
Speaker 1: hike and just kind of just being out there. It
58:03
Speaker 1: just really helps.
58:05
Speaker 3: When you first got your leg amputated, you said that
58:08
Speaker 3: you struggled to find the beauty in yourself again. You
58:13
Speaker 3: struggle to get over that mental hurdle. Now when you
58:19
Speaker 3: look in the mirror, what do you see looking back
58:22
Speaker 3: at you?
58:23
Speaker 1: I see a strong, badass woman. Can I say that
58:29
Speaker 1: about myself.
58:32
Speaker 2: About yourself?
58:33
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
58:35
Speaker 3: And do you feel did you feel that way before
58:38
Speaker 3: this or do you really feel as though this feat
58:40
Speaker 3: completely changed the way that you view yourself.
58:43
Speaker 1: I think it has. It's blown my mind away that
58:47
Speaker 1: I was able to do it. I'm like, hell, yeah
58:50
Speaker 1: I can. I can do really hard things. And it's
58:53
Speaker 1: just it just puts things in a total different perspective
58:57
Speaker 1: and just like wow. It's just looking at your body
59:00
Speaker 1: and going wow, just wow that you can, you can
59:04
Speaker 1: push yourself, and it's just yeah, that, yeah, that our
59:09
Speaker 1: bodies are incredible, that we can we can do hard things.
59:12
Speaker 3: What would you say during the one hundred and four
59:16
Speaker 3: day period that the best piece of advice you were offered.
59:19
Speaker 1: Was probably just take one day at a time. I
59:22
Speaker 1: don't know. Yes, a few people I commented that they
59:25
Speaker 1: were like, you know what, you're doing a great job.
59:27
Speaker 1: Just take it one time, one day at a time.
59:29
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I focused on, because sometimes
59:32
Speaker 1: your your goals can be overwhelming. I feel like it's
59:36
Speaker 1: sometimes when you set really big goals, it just can
59:40
Speaker 1: feel like, oh my goodness, I'm never going to get there.
59:43
Speaker 1: But if you just work on it every day and
59:45
Speaker 1: just one step at a time, you eventually get there
59:47
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my goodness, look at that, I've
59:49
Speaker 1: done it.
59:51
Speaker 2: I've done it, I've done it.
59:52
Speaker 3: Would you say that that's the biggest lesson that you
59:54
Speaker 3: want people to walk away from watching and learning about
59:57
Speaker 3: your story with absolutely final question, Jackie, right now, you
1:00:02
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to offer.
1:00:04
Speaker 2: Yourself a piece of advice.
1:00:06
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the Hurtle moment when you found
1:00:09
Speaker 3: out that you were going to have to get your
1:00:11
Speaker 3: leg amputated. You have an opportunity, with all the wisdom
1:00:15
Speaker 3: that you have now to offer that woman had twenty
1:00:18
Speaker 3: six a piece of advice.
1:00:19
Speaker 2: What do you tell her?
1:00:21
Speaker 1: I would tell her that take every day. It is
1:00:25
Speaker 1: one step at a time, and you will be okay.
1:00:28
Speaker 1: That's what I think. That is my biggest things will
1:00:32
Speaker 1: be okay because I feel like I just feel like
1:00:36
Speaker 1: when you're going through something that big is it becomes
1:00:39
Speaker 1: really dark and it's like you sometimes you feel like
1:00:42
Speaker 1: you're drowning. You just can't see the end, like the
1:00:45
Speaker 1: end inside, and it's just like and especially when you
1:00:48
Speaker 1: get diagnosed with cancer, a lot of the times, it's like,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: I'm not going to survive this. There is a part
1:00:53
Speaker 1: of you that thinks, oh my goodness, it's cancer. I'm
1:00:55
Speaker 1: going to die. And it's like, no, that's not. It's
1:00:58
Speaker 1: not necessarily a sentence. It is. There is hope, there
1:01:02
Speaker 1: is it's gonna be okay if you just kind of
1:01:05
Speaker 1: hold on to that.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: So grateful for your time today, Jackie, So appreciative of
1:01:10
Speaker 2: you sharing your.
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Speaker 3: Story with us. How do the hurdlers follow along with you?
1:01:13
Speaker 3: How do they keep up with you? If they don't
1:01:15
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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.