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Trump, Putin, Musk and the bros · The Front

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  Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
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  Speaker 1: It's Friday, November eight. Vladimir Putin, Benjamin Netanyahu, Robert F.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy Jr. And Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 1: How will Donald Trump wield his power and his relationships
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  Speaker 1: when he becomes the forty seventh president of the United
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  Speaker 1: States in January? Today we go inside Trump's victory party
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  Speaker 1: and dig into whether his wild talk will be matched
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  Speaker 1: by policy results. We know how he got here.
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  Speaker 3: When I'm in to do a fix the Texas for example, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: we have one thousand billionaires in billionaires. Nothing nothing can
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  Speaker 3: come in the way of saving our democracy. That includes
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  Speaker 3: personal ambition.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to business.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get to business, all right, you know what.
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  Speaker 3: You need to do?
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  Speaker 5: His golf course tonight at a crime scene as the
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  Speaker 5: man intent on taking his life, Ryan Wesley Ralph stares
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  Speaker 5: down an fbyon interrogation in Springfield.
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  Speaker 4: They're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
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  Speaker 6: They're eating the cats.
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  Speaker 4: They're eating they're eating the pits of the people that
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  Speaker 4: live there.
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  Speaker 6: A swell run it once, forget it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm nervous, but on the surface of a comb and
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  Speaker 1: run it.
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  Speaker 6: For drop both, but not keep both.
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  Speaker 5: Forget it.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Malls and I are both gun owners. We're not
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  Speaker 2: taking anybody's guns away, So stop with the continuous lying
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  Speaker 2: about this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: There's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the ocean right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico.
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  Speaker 4: I like to begin by asking a very very simple
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  Speaker 4: and easy to understand question.
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  Speaker 6: Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
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  Speaker 2: If we win together, we can end the Traveler and
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  Speaker 2: the Traumla and.
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  Speaker 6: Go less in our tamalas.
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  Speaker 3: This is a magnificent victory for the American people that
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  Speaker 3: will allow us to make America great again.
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  Speaker 1: So with a thumping mandate and control of Congress, what
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  Speaker 1: is Donald Trump going to do when he takes office
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  Speaker 1: in January.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we're certainly going to see a very confident Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 6: aren't we.
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  Speaker 2: Cameron Stewart is our chief international correspondent.
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  Speaker 6: It was such a crushing electoral victory, and at this
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  Speaker 6: minute it looks like he might get both of Congress,
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  Speaker 6: having won the Senate and the House is still undecided,
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  Speaker 6: but they are narrow favorites. Now that's the case, he
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  Speaker 6: will be an enormously confident president because he would have
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  Speaker 6: the ability to implement his mandate for at least the
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  Speaker 6: first two years of his presidency. In that's a massive
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  Speaker 6: thing for him. So I think he'd have a spring
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  Speaker 6: in his step in lots of ways, even though he's
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  Speaker 6: seventy eight years old.
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  Speaker 4: God bless you and God bless HERR.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thank you.
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  Speaker 6: It was heaving and pumping.
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  Speaker 2: Adam Crichton is a US correspondent.
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  Speaker 4: There would have been, I reckon at least two three
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  Speaker 4: thousand people in there, and so of course there were
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  Speaker 4: periodic bursts of YMCA and lots of dancing. I've certainly
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  Speaker 4: an experience that I will never forget for the rest
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  Speaker 4: of my life. They were very selective with who got in,
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  Speaker 4: so there were two classes of tickets. There was media
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  Speaker 4: and there were special guests. So there was green pass
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  Speaker 4: me or Goalpath and the goal cast people were clearly donors,
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  Speaker 4: wealthy people who'd given a lot of money to the campaign.
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  Speaker 4: Basically every Australian journalist got rejected except well actually including me.
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  Speaker 4: The only reason I ultimately got in was because I
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  Speaker 4: very luckily met Trump's top campaign advisor at a bar
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  Speaker 4: a few months ago. Jason Miller and I texted him
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  Speaker 4: frantically a few days ago and said, Jason, do you
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  Speaker 4: remember me? We were drinking in Milwaukee, and I didn't
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  Speaker 4: think he'd get back to me, but he did, and
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  Speaker 4: he just said, you're sorted.
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  Speaker 2: And I was one of those people with a gold pass.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, was Elon Musk, the a billionaire who seems
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  Speaker 1: to have become Trump's new bff. What is that relationship
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  Speaker 1: done for Trump's campaign? Along with his relations with other
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  Speaker 1: extremely rich people.
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  Speaker 4: Mask's endorsement was pretty late in the day. There were
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  Speaker 4: big donations to the campaign. He really ramped up the tweets,
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  Speaker 4: and of course he's going to get a role in
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  Speaker 4: the Trump administration as head of this new government Efficiency Commission.
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  Speaker 4: And Trump, in his final speech on the night, you know,
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  Speaker 4: praised him a very effew s. So it was not
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  Speaker 4: just the money from muskets also Musk is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: of course, a global celebrity. He's widely admired. He's one
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  Speaker 4: of the great business leaders of our generation, maybe of
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  Speaker 4: all time. And the fact that he's thrown his weight
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  Speaker 4: behind Trump, I think is a very significant and of
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  Speaker 4: course he's shifted Musk has shifted a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: Silicon Valley set to Trump as well, So there are
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  Speaker 4: less you know, still billionaires, but not quite as rich
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  Speaker 4: as Musk, such as David Sachs from San Francisco. He's
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  Speaker 4: been a very vociferous backer, and they've backed the right horse.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Musk joked a lot that if
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  Speaker 4: Trump lost him be behind bars. That's definitely not going
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  Speaker 4: to happen now. And it's also proved that musk purchase
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  Speaker 4: of Twitter, which was widely derided as being too expensive,
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  Speaker 4: has paid off massively because it's really shown that that
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  Speaker 4: platform has been very influential. You know, there's been a
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  Speaker 4: shift of Silicon Valley from the left more to the center.
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  Speaker 4: I think I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Is that aspirational class of business leader, kind of Maverick's,
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  Speaker 1: a bit like elis part of the explanation of Trump's
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  Speaker 1: appeal to young men.
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  Speaker 4: Adam, Yes, I think that's very true. And in fact,
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  Speaker 4: you see the exit poles we've already seen there was
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  Speaker 4: a big surge in support for Trump amongst a young men,
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  Speaker 4: and young men tend to admire these, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: Musk type leaders, these crypto bros, these kind of young
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  Speaker 4: men who've taken big risks and made a lot of money,
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  Speaker 4: and they all tend to be somewhat libertarian, skeptical of government.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you've seen in the past few days the
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  Speaker 4: price of bitcoin, I think, has gone up fifteen to
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  Speaker 4: twenty percent, which is an extraordinary move. And Trump has
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  Speaker 4: been very favorable to bitcoin, which is fascinating really because
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  Speaker 4: Trump is going to be the nominal head of the
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  Speaker 4: Federal Reserve of the US, which loads bitcoin. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: all central banks hate bitcoin because it's a rival to
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  Speaker 4: fear currency. So this is going to set off this
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  Speaker 4: extraordinary clash in coming years, I think between the executive
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  Speaker 4: and the Federal Reserve, who are going to have totally
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  Speaker 4: different views on bitcoin.
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  Speaker 1: Coming on, what about Gaza and Ukraine? And will a
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  Speaker 1: second Trump presidency be more conventional or more wild than
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  Speaker 1: the last?
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  Speaker 2: Can?
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  Speaker 1: We've heard some suggestions that seem fairly alarmist about what
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  Speaker 1: Trump might be like.
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  Speaker 2: He's being described as a dictator.
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  Speaker 1: During the election, Kamala Harris suggested that she thought that
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  Speaker 1: he was a fascist. You've covered Trump for a long time, now,
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  Speaker 1: how do you respond to those characterizations of him?
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  Speaker 6: Look, I think there are two Trumps, which I observed
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  Speaker 6: covering the first Trump term in the White House. There's
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  Speaker 6: Trump on the campaign trail where he is really his
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  Speaker 6: old New York salesman. He's a blowhard. He exaggerates, That's
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  Speaker 6: how he gets his message across. He's deliberately exaggerating. He's
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  Speaker 6: saying things that are so extreme that he would never
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  Speaker 6: do them in literal sense. But then, of course he
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  Speaker 6: gets to the White House, as he did in twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 6: we had these exact same debates and concerns I noticed
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  Speaker 6: in the media in twenty sixteen before he came in
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  Speaker 6: as we're having right now. And the bottom line is
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  Speaker 6: that when you're in the White House, you are constrained.
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  Speaker 6: You just can't have that sort of policy extremism. He's
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  Speaker 6: surrounded by AIDS, is surrounded by generals, he's surrounded by diplomats.
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  Speaker 6: There's a general natural push by the system to ensure
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  Speaker 6: that a president doesn't go out too far on a limb,
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  Speaker 6: and while Trump is strong and blows back against that
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  Speaker 6: to a degree, there are limits on it. And I
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  Speaker 6: just don't think that we're going to see the sort
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  Speaker 6: of apocalyptic, completely unhinged administration which you would think we
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  Speaker 6: are going to see if you read some of the
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  Speaker 6: US media over here at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Looking at foreign policy, cam Trump has said that he
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  Speaker 1: would be able to solve the two wars that are
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  Speaker 1: raging at the moment, in Ukraine and in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: Starting with Ukraine, what do you think vladimies Lenski and
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  Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin should be planning to do now?
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  Speaker 6: Look, and first with Ukraine. That's a perfect example of
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  Speaker 6: the hyperbole we're talking about. He said he'd solve Ukraine
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  Speaker 6: in twenty four hours, which of course is impossible. What
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  Speaker 6: he is saying there is he's going to work hard
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  Speaker 6: to get a solution in Ukraine. Now, the fascinating thing
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  Speaker 6: I think, Claire is is what will his relationship with
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  Speaker 6: Putin be like? Putin, so far, as far as we're aware,
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  Speaker 6: have not called Trump to congratulate him. He probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: do that. But what will that relationship be like? What
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  Speaker 6: does it look like? Will Trump try to convince Pusin
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  Speaker 6: to ease back and what will he actually try to do.
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  Speaker 6: The great concern with Trump and Ukraine, I think is
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  Speaker 6: that he may be tempted to pressure Ukrainian President Zelenski
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  Speaker 6: to use the current front line in eastern Dombas in
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  Speaker 6: the eastern part of Ukraine as a permanent settlement line,
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  Speaker 6: and Lenski won't do that. I don't think Putin will
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  Speaker 6: do that. So I think Trump is going to find
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  Speaker 6: it very difficult to find a solution here when the
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  Speaker 6: rest of the world has not found a solution at
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  Speaker 6: this point.
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  Speaker 1: What about Israel and Gaza and now Lebanon can Benjaminta,
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  Speaker 1: who has just sacked his defense minister. Is Netanya who
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  Speaker 1: empowered by trump victory?
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  Speaker 6: Do you think I think Nanna who would be quietly
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  Speaker 6: happy with Trump's victory. Trump is very pro Israel. He
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  Speaker 6: gets on well with Netnya, who in a recent conversation
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  Speaker 6: he said to Netnya, who do what you must do
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  Speaker 6: in Gaza. Now that's a pretty open slate, it would
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  Speaker 6: sound like. And so who knows exactly how Trump will
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  Speaker 6: deal with him. But I think Netnya, who would be
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  Speaker 6: quite relaxed in dealing with Trump. He dealt with him
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  Speaker 6: last time. They get on well, and israelis looking for friends,
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  Speaker 6: and I think they'll find a friend in Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Now looking at domestic policy, can In twenty sixteen, Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump came to power promising to build a wall on
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  Speaker 1: southern border with Mexico and to fix illegal immigration. That
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  Speaker 1: of course has not happened, and he turned immigration into
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  Speaker 1: a real vote winner for him during this campaign, including
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  Speaker 1: with Latino voters and people in the South. So what
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  Speaker 1: will he actually do on that front, do you think?
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  Speaker 6: Again, we're looking at the sort of rhetoric versus reality
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  Speaker 6: question here. His rhetoric, of course, during a campaign was
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  Speaker 6: fairly extreme. He was saying that he was going to
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  Speaker 6: deport many millions of migrants in a way that's never
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  Speaker 6: been done before in this country. And he was going
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  Speaker 6: to be extremely tough on the border in every single area.
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  Speaker 6: And now look when he came twenty sixteen, he talked
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  Speaker 6: very tough on the border. Remember, of course, he was
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  Speaker 6: going to build the wall, that was the famous concept.
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  Speaker 6: The wall didn't get finished. He was going to do
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  Speaker 6: these mass deportations in twenty sixteen. In fact, he didn't
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  Speaker 6: end up doing those deportations to a very large degree.
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  Speaker 6: So the trouble with the American border, Claire, is it's
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  Speaker 6: a very porous border. It's very complicated, and no president
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  Speaker 6: has ever managed to seal the border, which is exactly
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  Speaker 6: what Trump is claiming he would do I think that
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  Speaker 6: he would not be able to have the sort of
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  Speaker 6: mass deportations that he's claiming he will try to do
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  Speaker 6: because it just hasn't worked in the past. But that
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  Speaker 6: doesn't mean he won't be much tougher on the border
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  Speaker 6: than Biden was. I think he definitely will be. I
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  Speaker 6: just think, once again on the campaign trail, there's a
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  Speaker 6: lot of hyperble there and he won't be able to
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  Speaker 6: implement his promises exactly as he's outlined them.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, cam he spoke at his victory party about
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  Speaker 1: putting Robert F.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior in charge of health. Now, Robert F.
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, of course, is famously an anti vaxxer. He's
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  Speaker 1: a sort of skeptic about mainstream medicine. So what does
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  Speaker 1: that mean.
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  Speaker 6: I'd be very surprised, frankly, if he did that. I
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  Speaker 6: think he would find quite a strong pushback. And Trump
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  Speaker 6: is hugely unpredictable. You never know, but I'm Robert F.
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  Speaker 6: Kennedy was just saying recently, just last week, that he
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  Speaker 6: doesn't flew right in the water here in America because
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  Speaker 6: he think that's unhealthy. Now, there would be a massive
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  Speaker 6: backlash if something like that was actually advocated at the
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  Speaker 6: policy level, So I would think that Trump would be
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  Speaker 6: a bit wary of that one. Trump's pretty out there,
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  Speaker 6: but he's not completely nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is The Australian's chief international correspondent. You can
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  Speaker 1: read all our experts analysis of this historic moment in
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us this week on the front. Our
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