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Murder In Moscow: Anne Taylor And Her Representation Of Madison Mogen's Father Prior To The Murders · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're
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  Speaker 1: learning now that Ann Taylor, the public defender in Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: also represented the stepmother and the father of Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: and they were represented on basically the same kinds of
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  Speaker 1: charges as Karen Northington. Drug charges, substance abuse, possession, that
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. The typical thing you see with people
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  Speaker 1: who are suffering addiction. And I've seen this shit up
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  Speaker 1: close and personal way too many times than I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to even talk about. Folks, when somebody is in the
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  Speaker 1: grips of drug addiction, they are not the person that
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  Speaker 1: you know. They are somebody completely different and they are
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  Speaker 1: completely consumed utterly by their drug addiction. Now I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying that's what was happening here with these parents. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know them, but drug addiction in general is one
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  Speaker 1: of the worst things that you can possibly ever see
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  Speaker 1: one of your loved ones suffering through. It is a
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  Speaker 1: daily battle for them. You watch them degrade, you watch
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  Speaker 1: their bodies fall apart, you watch their mental acuity go away,
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  Speaker 1: and with how powerful the drugs are these days, it's
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  Speaker 1: very hard to get off of them. Once these people
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  Speaker 1: are in the throes of addiction. Forget it. The methinphetamine
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  Speaker 1: that's being made nowadays makes the stuff from just a
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  Speaker 1: few years ago look weak and terrible. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: high grade stuff now, and the idea is to make
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  Speaker 1: it so addictive that these people won't get off of it.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the cartels are doing. They're bringing in chemists,
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  Speaker 1: they're bringing in all kinds of hot shot scientists to
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  Speaker 1: create new compounds that are even more addictive than previously.
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  Speaker 1: And the methen fetamine in its worst form is completely addictive.
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  Speaker 1: So never mind the new methin fetamine that's out here,
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  Speaker 1: and it grabs a hold of people and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: let go. How many people have you seen in your
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  Speaker 1: own towns, your own cities, walking around throwing karate kicks,
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  Speaker 1: talking to themselves, acting crazy. Most of those people are
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  Speaker 1: on some form of methmphetamine. It does a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: to your brain, does a whole lot to your mind,
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  Speaker 1: and certainly fucks your life up, and not just your life,
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  Speaker 1: the life of everybody around you. Everybody who cares about
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  Speaker 1: you suffers through that drug addiction with you until they
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  Speaker 1: finally get to the point where they say, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: enough is enough? I can't take this pain and suffering anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I can't be around you. And I've had to do
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  Speaker 1: that several times in my life with people I love,
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  Speaker 1: cut them off completely, whether it is they stole from
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  Speaker 1: me or they're on drugs and you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be around them because everything it brings with it. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you have to make that hard choice and say, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, enough is enough. I just can't be around
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  Speaker 1: you anymore. And it's hard to do, but you have
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  Speaker 1: to do it for your own well being. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying that's what went on here. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the interpersonal relationships, but I do know that drug addiction
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  Speaker 1: is something that can affect any one of us, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure has affected most of us already, and unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: it's just gonna get worse as time moves on. The
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  Speaker 1: whole entire war on drugs has failed, and all of
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  Speaker 1: these people that we talk about, as far as drug addicts,
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  Speaker 1: as far as people who die of overdoses, that's the
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  Speaker 1: fallout from this war on drugs. So it doesn't shock
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  Speaker 1: me in the least to hear that a couple of
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  Speaker 1: these kids had parents who were caught up in the
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  Speaker 1: system and were nailed for drug possession or drug use
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  Speaker 1: at some point in their lives. Today's article is from
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  Speaker 1: Inside Edition and the headline Brian Coberger public defender represented
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  Speaker 1: father and stepmother of second murder victim. This article was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Chris Spargo. Court records obtained by Inside Edition
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  Speaker 1: Digital list Ann Taylor as a member of the defense
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  Speaker 1: team on closed criminal cases involving Benjamin Mogan and his
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  Speaker 1: wife Corey hat Rock. So now we have three different
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  Speaker 1: family members of the slain college students who were represented
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  Speaker 1: by Anne Taylor. Even if there is no conflict of interest,
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  Speaker 1: the appearance of impropriety alone should be enough for her
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  Speaker 1: to step back from this case. In my opinion, the
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  Speaker 1: public defender representing Brian Koeberger previously work with a father
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  Speaker 1: and stepmother of murder victim Madison Mogan. Court records obtained
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  Speaker 1: by Inside Edition Digital list Ann Taylor as a member
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  Speaker 1: of the defense team on criminal cases involving Benjamin Mogan
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  Speaker 1: and his wife, Corey hat Rock. Inside Edition previously revealed
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  Speaker 1: that Taylor had been representing the mother of Xana Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: in a court case, but stepped down and assigned another
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  Speaker 1: lawyer in her place. Just hours after making her first
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  Speaker 1: court appearance alongside Coburger, And we have to keep in
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  Speaker 1: mind that she is the only lawyer for the Public
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  Speaker 1: Defender's Office that's qualified for a capital murder case, and
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  Speaker 1: all signs point to this becoming that. So obviously you
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  Speaker 1: can't have like a junior lawyer take care of the
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  Speaker 1: capital punishment case. Only certain lawyers in the Public Defender's
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  Speaker 1: Office are qualified to do that. So with Ann Taylor
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  Speaker 1: being the only public defender in Northern Idaho who is
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  Speaker 1: qualified to defend in a capital murder case, you would
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  Speaker 1: think that they would make an adjustment and just bring
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  Speaker 1: somebody up there to take over and take control of this.
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  Speaker 1: But instead it's becoming this whole entire thing that's mushroom clouding.
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  Speaker 1: Court record show that Taylor served as counsel for Mogan
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  Speaker 1: in September of twenty twenty when he was facing two
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  Speaker 1: misdemeanor drug charges. Misdemeanor drug charges, huh, so basically possession
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  Speaker 1: probably had a little bit of drugs on them, got
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  Speaker 1: busted whatever, and then had to face the music for
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  Speaker 1: that possession. Mogan eventually entered a guilty plea to one
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  Speaker 1: of the charges as part of a deal with the prosecutors,
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  Speaker 1: according to court records, and was sentenced to ninety days
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  Speaker 1: in prison. So look, a lot of times, if it's
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  Speaker 1: a multiple offense, you've been nailed before, what the courts
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  Speaker 1: will do is they'll send you up river for a
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  Speaker 1: good ninety days one hundred and twenty days, depending on
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  Speaker 1: what kind of drug charges you got popped on and
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  Speaker 1: the amount you had. So it's a progressive type of deal.
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  Speaker 1: If it's your first defense, more times than not you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to get in too much trouble. But when
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  Speaker 1: you've had multiple offenses and you're a repeat offender, a
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  Speaker 1: drug offender, eventually you start getting nailed for misdemeanors and
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  Speaker 1: then those turn into felonies eventually, and then those felonies, well,
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  Speaker 1: they usually lead to gel time. Then when these drug
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  Speaker 1: addicts get out of jail, they have to write that
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  Speaker 1: they're a felon on a job application, and they can't
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  Speaker 1: get jobs. Taylor worked with hat Rock as recently as June,
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  Speaker 1: according to court records, and was part of her legal
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  Speaker 1: counsel after she was charged with one misdemeanor and two
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  Speaker 1: felony drug counts. So obviously the felony drug counts are
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  Speaker 1: a bigger deal than the misdemeanor. And usually when you
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  Speaker 1: get slapped with felony drug counts, it's for selling drugs,
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  Speaker 1: distributing or whatever. And when you have small time users
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  Speaker 1: who are doing that, more times than not, they're selling
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  Speaker 1: drugs to fund their own addiction. They're not out here
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  Speaker 1: like Pablo Escobar. What's the first rule of being a
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  Speaker 1: drug dealer? Don't get high off your own supply. But
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  Speaker 1: the small time users, it's a good way for them
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  Speaker 1: to have the money to keep getting high, and to
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  Speaker 1: do that they have to sell the drugs, so they
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  Speaker 1: end up getting nailed for not only possession, but for
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  Speaker 1: distributing drugs as well. Court records show that the case
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  Speaker 1: is closed and there has been no activity since December
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighth, just two days before Coburger's arrest and a
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  Speaker 1: week before Taylor became his public defender. Taylor had been
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  Speaker 1: actively representing Kara Northington, the mother of Xana Kernodle, when
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  Speaker 1: she first appeared in court with Coburger. A substitution of
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  Speaker 1: council was filed by Taylor a few hours later, appointing
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  Speaker 1: another member of her office as Kara's attorney. That should
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  Speaker 1: have been done right away. Why was there a delay?
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  Speaker 1: Why did we need to wait till they were in
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  Speaker 1: court to do that, and why wasn't the process started
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  Speaker 1: right away? The public defender had been representing Kara for
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  Speaker 1: over a month after her arrest on November nineteenth in
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  Speaker 1: Cootney County, just a few days after her daughter's murder.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine your daughter gets murdered, then a few days later,
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  Speaker 1: you're in the grips of a drug addiction and you
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  Speaker 1: get nailed and thrown into jail. If that isn't a
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  Speaker 1: wake up call, well to get your shit together, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know whatever will be honestly. She is charged with
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  Speaker 1: two felony counts of possession of a controlled substance. She
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  Speaker 1: is currently listed on the Cootney County Sheriff's Office Active
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  Speaker 1: Wanted Persons Sheesh Kara and her new attorney did not
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  Speaker 1: respond to requests for comment from Inside Edition Digital. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how the prosecutors deal
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  Speaker 1: with miss Northington in light of all of these other revelations.
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  Speaker 1: Are they going to arrest her and bring her in?
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  Speaker 1: Are they going to look to go a little light
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  Speaker 1: on her? I wonder how they're going to approach this.
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  Speaker 1: Zanna and Madison were two of the four University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho students found murdered in an off campus home on
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  Speaker 1: November thirteenth, and after David submitted by the responding officer
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  Speaker 1: alleges that Xana was found in her room with boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, Madison and a third roommate, Kaylee Gonsalvez, were
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  Speaker 1: discovered in Mogan's room on the third floor of According
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  Speaker 1: to the affid David, the Layta County Corner said that
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  Speaker 1: all four victims had been stabbed to death. The FBI
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  Speaker 1: arrested Coburger on December thirtieth at his parents' home in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: He was extradited to Idaho soon after and is now
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  Speaker 1: an inmate at the Layta County Detention Center. Coburger is
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  Speaker 1: being held without bail ahead of his week long preliminary hearing,
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  Speaker 1: which is scheduled for June. Investigators have not found the
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  Speaker 1: murder weapon or shared any information with the public about
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  Speaker 1: the alleged killer's motive. They have also been ordered not
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  Speaker 1: to share information with the public after the judge issued
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  Speaker 1: a strict gag order prohibiting any member of law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: or attorneys involved in the case from speaking publicly about
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  Speaker 1: the murder investigation and in darkness, well that springs up
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. So the more that they're shrouding this in darkness,
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  Speaker 1: the more that they're not being upfront with the people
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  Speaker 1: at least about you know, certain issues, then the more
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are going to pop up, and the more
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  Speaker 1: spirit boxes and the more psychics. The responding officer who
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  Speaker 1: examined the crime scene on November thirteenth claimed in an
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  Speaker 1: Affidavid that he discovered a leather knife sheath at the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene and that testing showed the DNA on that
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  Speaker 1: sheath matched Coburger's DNA. Coburger will not formally enter a
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  Speaker 1: plea until June, but a previous public defender said that
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  Speaker 1: the Washington State University PhD student expects to be exonerated
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  Speaker 1: at trial. Well, I expect to hit megabucks later on
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  Speaker 1: when I go down to the casino and put some
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  Speaker 1: money in it. Do you think my expectations are going
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  Speaker 1: to be met? You know the old saying shit in
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  Speaker 1: one hand, wish in the other, and see what you
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  Speaker 1: have more of at the end. As far as ZANNN.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor goes, under office. I think the right thing here
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  Speaker 1: would be for her to step back and let somebody
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  Speaker 1: else take over the case. But like I've said a
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  Speaker 1: million times, I'm certainly not a legal scholar, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a handle on what's going on behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 1: So I really don't know what the judge's thinking or
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  Speaker 1: what Ann Taylor's even thinking. But my biggest fear has
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  Speaker 1: to do with an appeal after this dude gets convicted.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm so worried about what's going on here,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure that the prosecutors are also aware of that,
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  Speaker 1: and they're working behind the scenes to try and make
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  Speaker 1: sure that that doesn't happen. So we'll be here until
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  Speaker 1: we get some resolution, obviously, and we'll keep having updates
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  Speaker 1: added to the catalog as it evolves. As for me,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes along with this episode can be
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