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Why You Keep Starting What You Can't Finish | FT Joy Pittman | EP171 · Jess Ask

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  Speaker 1: Yo, it's your girl Jessica S.
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  Speaker 2: Smith, and you already know that you've.
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  Speaker 3: Entered the safe space for influencers to decompress, have fun,
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  Speaker 3: and just ask.
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  Speaker 2: If you already know what it is, then you know
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  Speaker 2: it's about to get real.
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  Speaker 3: So be sure to show your girls some love and like, comment,
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  Speaker 3: and subscribe.
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  Speaker 1: I know we could be another way.
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  Speaker 4: It's a new week at Just Ask the Podcast, the
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  Speaker 4: safe space where transparency meets transformation. It's your girl Jessica S. Smith,
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  Speaker 4: and I do nothing without my girl Desiree.
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  Speaker 2: Desiree. Desiree. Desiree.
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  Speaker 4: Desiree. Desiree.
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  Speaker 2: Desiree. Can y'all tell my friend how good she look today?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Because you just know.
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  Speaker 1: This is receiving.
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  Speaker 2: You just rejected.
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  Speaker 1: This is receiving.
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  Speaker 2: It's tea. I'm receiving. It's tea. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: You are beautiful. Thank you. Yes, you are.
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  Speaker 4: She won't receive it unless it's done in a holy
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  Speaker 4: matrimony type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Unless we go to the third heaven. Oh, you're beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: The Lord tells you you're beautiful. Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Jessica. How are you today? I feel blessed.
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  Speaker 1: You look good. I'm really excited.
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  Speaker 4: This green is green and glowing. It's doing something to
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  Speaker 4: my hair. It's like the popping and the red. Because
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  Speaker 4: green and red are complementary colors.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that. But technically, when you mix
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  Speaker 2: them together, they make brown. Yeah, they do. Brown skin.
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  Speaker 2: That's why it looks so good.
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  Speaker 1: I got brown skin and red.
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  Speaker 2: Just in case you didn't know, color theory, that's what happens.
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  Speaker 2: You make it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because Desiree used to be an artist. She still
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  Speaker 4: is an artist. She likes to paint for fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I like to paint. I paint on faces. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: she does. I paint on canvases. And I paint on hair, too.
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  Speaker 2: She does.
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  Speaker 4: And so she understands colors really well. Tell the people
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  Speaker 4: how you feeling, though, Desiree. Do you feel how you look?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I feel real good. I feel real good.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, because, you know, God is good.
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  Speaker 4: And also, and, you know, I'm getting ready to approach her.
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  Speaker 4: A very beautiful milestone. What's the beautiful milestone? Go ahead
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  Speaker 4: and tell people. My birthday is coming up in October. Y'all.
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  Speaker 4: And your girl will have graced this earth for a
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  Speaker 4: good old 40 years. 40 years. You know, it took
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  Speaker 4: Moses 40 years.
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  Speaker 2: 40.
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  Speaker 1: 40.
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  Speaker 2: 40.
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  Speaker 4: So that means that you got another 40 up in
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  Speaker 4: you so you can do well.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen that.
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  Speaker 4: You know when you try to make everything Bible, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: it don't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm good. Thanks for asking. Thanks for having me today.
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  Speaker 4: But you look good. I pray to God that I
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  Speaker 4: can look like 40. You know, our guest today is
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  Speaker 4: in her 40s. Really? She don't act like it. She
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  Speaker 4: don't look like it. She don't smell like it. I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't guess you're.
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  Speaker 2: Not like a.
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  Speaker 4: She just look good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like... They say black don't gray. And she single.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm just trying to see if somebody going to
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  Speaker 4: see on Just Ask and Just Ask.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Come on now. I'm just trying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying because she friend. She friend now. She sis.
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  Speaker 2: She big sis.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm super excited to have the woman of God here, Desiree,
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  Speaker 4: because she came for my neck the first time. She did.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: She be coming for my neck. Since I met her
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  Speaker 4: last year. But here she's coming for all of us next.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, y'all better buckle up. Because we have a new project.
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  Speaker 4: And you see, I say we, because anytime somebody comes again,
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  Speaker 4: they're not just friends. They become family, right? And so
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  Speaker 4: she has a revolving door invite here. But I'm super
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  Speaker 4: excited because Joy Pittman is the epitome of what it
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  Speaker 4: looks like to be available to God in any season,
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  Speaker 4: in all seasons. And I'm super excited for this new project,
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  Speaker 4: Have Built Houses, because this year, if you didn't remember,
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  Speaker 4: 2026 has been the year of the builder for Just As.
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  Speaker 4: And so I'm super excited about this project. I'm introducing
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  Speaker 4: to some, but presenting to most, my girl, my sister,
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  Speaker 4: Miss Joy Pittman.
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  Speaker 2: Ain't she fine? Isn't she lovely? Isn't she wonderful? Isn't
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  Speaker 2: she precious? But we're going to leave it to stop there.
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  Speaker 1: Five in November, so.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Big 45. Come on. Big 45. Wouldn't have guessed it.
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  Speaker 2: One of Thonky. Come on.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I love the glory of the Lord. I'm
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  Speaker 4: just saying, the men of God, the Lord be preserving.
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  Speaker 4: Preservation is a gift.
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  Speaker 2: Because some.
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  Speaker 2: Joy, how you feeling?
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  Speaker 4: Because I know if you feel anything like you look
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  Speaker 4: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Glory, glory. Hallelujah. Since I laid my burdens down.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, it's good to be with beautiful people.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling a miss back there, because she tried
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  Speaker 1: to come on and show me this cute hair and
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  Speaker 1: then get back off. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. With her waves.
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  Speaker 4: I said, okay.
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  Speaker 1: What is it? Tee?
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  Speaker 5: Tea.
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  Speaker 2: Tea. Tea.
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  Speaker 1: I feel really good. I feel like I am in
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  Speaker 1: a place I'm supposed to be. And weirdly enough, I
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  Speaker 1: don't always know where that is. But it's where I'm
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be. So if you ask me for the
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  Speaker 1: exact address, I may not be able to give it
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  Speaker 1: to you. But I feel like God wants me to be.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm seeing things align in my personal life,
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  Speaker 1: in my spiritual life, in my physical body. emotionally, like
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  Speaker 1: things are just kind of like settling where they're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be. And then I'm feeling my alignment because then
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  Speaker 1: God is allowing me to find collaborations and connections and
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  Speaker 1: sisterhood with dope folks that are kind of saying the
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  Speaker 1: same thing in their own way. And so, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you started.
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  Speaker 4: I love that you started that because a lot of us,
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  Speaker 4: especially when we talk about the safe space community that
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  Speaker 4: we host, we have an opportunity to really appreciate and
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  Speaker 4: be confident that we are in the place that God
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  Speaker 4: wants us to be. How did you regain confidence that
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  Speaker 4: you are where you are? Because you've had so many accomplishments,
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  Speaker 4: like this is not your first book, this is not
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  Speaker 4: your first move, this is not your first of a
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  Speaker 4: lot of things, but you are saying this in this season,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm where I'm supposed to be, like How do
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  Speaker 4: you know this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think one, I'll start with one, it
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  Speaker 1: required me to stop comparing myself to other people's things.
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  Speaker 1: So to stop looking at where somebody else is in
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  Speaker 1: their trajectory and start aligning with like, okay, like I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the rhythm that God wants me to be in,
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  Speaker 1: or I'm willing to submit to the rhythm that God
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  Speaker 1: wants me to be in, right? So some of us
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  Speaker 1: are out here whitewater rafting, Some of us are in
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  Speaker 1: what that little floating lazy pond, whatever it is, like
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  Speaker 1: we're in different seasons as God is moving us. And
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  Speaker 1: so your pace and your rhythm. So first it required
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  Speaker 1: me to turn off all of the perimeter looking and
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  Speaker 1: to remind myself that I was turning it off because
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  Speaker 1: sometimes we try to close it off. And then what
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  Speaker 1: started happening is I started actually looking at the clues
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  Speaker 1: from heaven or what God was giving me as far
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  Speaker 1: as confirmation, right? So sometimes we're looking for external confirmations.
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  Speaker 1: But I started looking at the timing of things. I
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  Speaker 1: started looking at, okay, little things that would come up.
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  Speaker 1: Like when I went back into the workforce, I felt
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  Speaker 1: like it was a fail. Like I was like, my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: why am I? And now I got to go back
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  Speaker 1: and get a job. Well, I went back and the
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  Speaker 1: job made me the offer April 15th. So my first
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  Speaker 1: day was April 15th, 2024. The door to open to
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  Speaker 1: start looking for my house happens in April of 2026.
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  Speaker 1: What do they want? They want two years of work history.
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  Speaker 1: Two years. of the thing, right? Things, even the things
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  Speaker 1: that I'm starting to say out loud, I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: the timing of God is giving me X. So to
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  Speaker 1: come on here and be like, this was a year
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  Speaker 1: to build it. We didn't have that conversation. He's giving
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  Speaker 1: me how to build. So it started to watch him
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  Speaker 1: allow things to align. And so we go from the
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  Speaker 1: house thing to things that align physically. We're like timing
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  Speaker 1: and my readiness for the things, the people's capacity to
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  Speaker 1: hear Some of us know that we've been saying some
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  Speaker 1: stuff we've been saying for seven, eight years, but now
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  Speaker 1: there's an appetite for the stuff that we've been saying.
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  Speaker 1: So allowing myself and then the confirmations, affirmations of the
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  Speaker 1: people that I'm meeting in this part of the journey.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, now's the time for this because the
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  Speaker 1: resources are showing up. Now's the time for this podcast
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  Speaker 1: because I'm with a podcast expert in this season. So
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  Speaker 1: in the years that I would have had to fumble
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  Speaker 1: through it and try to figure it out and when
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't launch when I wanted it to in this
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  Speaker 1: particular season, the momentum. And so, I think sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: don't look at the success, the clues that God starts
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  Speaker 1: giving us around our timing. And if we get focused
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  Speaker 1: on everybody else's pace and everybody else's launches and everybody
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  Speaker 1: else's doing and how they're matriculating through life, right? We
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  Speaker 1: can miss God is literally lining us up for what
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  Speaker 1: it is that he wants us to have.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's so befitting, especially with what you're saying,
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  Speaker 4: because comparison kills a lot of things, right? And so
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  Speaker 4: I want to go straight into the book, because the
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  Speaker 4: subtitle of this is Stop Building from Borrowed Blueprints. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that's basically what you're saying right now.
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  Speaker 2: Like we have borrowed.
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  Speaker 4: Blueprints from different people, different, like in our comparison, right?
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  Speaker 4: And so how do I know when I'm in my
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  Speaker 4: blueprint versus someone else's?
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  Speaker 1: Well, one, where did it come from, right? If God
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  Speaker 1: is giving you a vision, but you're gathering the methodologies
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  Speaker 1: from everybody but him, right? And you're tracking success based
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  Speaker 1: on everybody's metrics, but his. Essentially, you might just be
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  Speaker 1: building from a borrowed blueprint. If the blueprint is requiring
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  Speaker 1: skills and things of you that you don't actually have,
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  Speaker 1: if it's requiring you to be somebody other than who
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  Speaker 1: he's designed you to be, if you got to become
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  Speaker 1: a different, not an evolved or elevated version of yourself,
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  Speaker 1: but a different version. If you got to take on
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  Speaker 1: a whole nother persona to do what he's calling you
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  Speaker 1: to do, potentially it's a borrowed blueprint, right? If you're
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  Speaker 1: tracking everything based on how somebody else is moving. So
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  Speaker 1: the initial framing for this started at a very spiritual
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  Speaker 1: level where he was talking to me about for most
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  Speaker 1: of the things that we're doing as kingdom folks, as believers,
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  Speaker 1: there is a biblical blueprint for whatever it is that
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  Speaker 1: we're trying to do. We often don't get a God
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  Speaker 1: vision and then we go to the world's resources to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how to get it done. Right. And so
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  Speaker 1: he started showing me marketing in the Bible, rebuilding from
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  Speaker 1: scratch in the Bible. launches in the bible like you
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  Speaker 1: can find models for these things so that was the
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  Speaker 1: first thing of like whose blueprint are you looking at
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  Speaker 1: are you going to the word for the blueprint but
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  Speaker 1: then even within that framing he started talking to me
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  Speaker 1: then about two kingdom people can have similar purpose and
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  Speaker 1: different assignments so we can both call to evangelize or
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  Speaker 1: to draw people to christ but he may give you
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  Speaker 1: a a blueprint for evangelism it doesn't look like mine
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  Speaker 1: right And so am I now assuming similar calls, similar
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  Speaker 1: audiences mean similar assignments and similar process? Like how much
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  Speaker 1: are we duplicating? And so that's where it really got to.
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  Speaker 1: So I started, I started them looking at what are
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  Speaker 1: the things that I, that I have skipped over that
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  Speaker 1: you have already gifted me and empowered me to do
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  Speaker 1: with ease. As opposed to the things that I've decided
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  Speaker 1: I needed to do because somebody else's success required that path. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so then I started realizing I wasn't just borrowing
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  Speaker 1: the world's blueprints. I was also borrowing the blueprints of
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  Speaker 1: who I thought was successful and assuming that I had
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  Speaker 1: to do it their way.
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  Speaker 4: Joy, just let that be for one second. Because that
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  Speaker 4: is so real. Like I'm going to sit here like
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  Speaker 4: reevaluating myself right now. Like, okay, I guess this would
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  Speaker 4: be a good segue of what you were trying to
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  Speaker 4: call me.
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  Speaker 2: Out on before this.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so when I met Joy in November of last year,
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  Speaker 4: I was just so in awe.
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  Speaker 2: Like, doesn't worry, she ate down. She ate down.
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  Speaker 4: And I learned about planes in ways I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: I was going to learn about planes, okay? And I
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  Speaker 4: sat there in that chair thinking, And I remember thinking
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  Speaker 4: to myself, oh, my goodness, I would love to speak
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  Speaker 4: with ease like she did.
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  Speaker 2: She taught. She spoke well. She was confident.
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  Speaker 4: And we talk about the success of people. You were
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  Speaker 4: an example of success for me. And you had been
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  Speaker 4: asked to speak. I'd been asked to host the same event.
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  Speaker 4: In the same event, two different roles, two different positions.
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  Speaker 4: But I was, I won't even say envious, but I
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  Speaker 4: admired your ability to manage your assignment so well that
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  Speaker 4: it attracted me to your table and said- hey, I
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  Speaker 4: want to learn how to speak like that. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to give you the floor. Let the people know your
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  Speaker 4: problem and your response with what I said.
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  Speaker 1: So one, and I don't think it was comparison in
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  Speaker 1: that way. I think that because you are growing and looking,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, what's my mix, right? Like I would like
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of that and a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 1: So I can take it in a way. I think
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  Speaker 1: that sometimes when we do that though, we overlook the
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  Speaker 1: weight of what we carry. So let's be clear. I
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  Speaker 1: came to an event with a topic that was emailed
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  Speaker 1: to me that I had time to like sit in
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  Speaker 1: and process. And then I was on a panel for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and I had questions that I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily seen or didn't know how they were going to come,
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  Speaker 1: but I had to like think on my feet and
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  Speaker 1: move through those answers. And so that was my assignment.
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  Speaker 1: One day of an event. Jess had dismissed the fact
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  Speaker 1: that she was emceeing an event, which means that she
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  Speaker 1: had to move us through from Rika doing worship to
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  Speaker 1: this one doing that, to not knowing what any speaker
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  Speaker 1: was going to say, but having to regather the room
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  Speaker 1: after the speaker and then hold space and move us
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  Speaker 1: into the next person. That she literally was weaving through
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  Speaker 1: an event. And so while it looked like my assignment
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  Speaker 1: was bigger than because I had this blocked amount of time.
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  Speaker 1: She literally had to, without a lot of prompting in
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  Speaker 1: some areas, because she definitely didn't have my slides, had
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  Speaker 1: to move from one speaker to the next, had to
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  Speaker 1: shift the atmosphere of the room. Then she, I think
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  Speaker 1: when worship ended, she turned into a singer for a
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  Speaker 1: few minutes and brought us out of the song back
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  Speaker 1: into the room to settle us down, to get what
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  Speaker 1: we needed to get. She was a comedian at some moments.
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  Speaker 1: Then she moderated the panel. So coming up with the
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  Speaker 1: questions and being able to move from speaker to speaker,
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  Speaker 1: a whole space. Like, In order to be in awe
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  Speaker 1: of me, she had to almost like minimize all that
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  Speaker 1: she had done for that weekend. And so my moment
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  Speaker 1: at that table was more so like, girl speaker, you
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  Speaker 1: just had the mic for three days. What we mean?
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  Speaker 1: So what is it that you're exactly looking for? And
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  Speaker 1: you were doing it with ease and ease to us, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because y'all don't know what I go through. It looked
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  Speaker 1: like ease because I'm talking low. because I know my content.
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  Speaker 1: I study my information, but I'm nervous. I had to
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  Speaker 1: get up. I think I got up in front of
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  Speaker 1: my bishops. I knew she was coming after me and
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  Speaker 1: she comes in like a hurricane. So now I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out how I land this plane. Yes, it's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of comparison that I got sandwiched between. I
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  Speaker 1: believe Rika opened up in worship and I know I
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  Speaker 1: was a bishop. So I'm sandwiched between people who are
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  Speaker 1: stylistically a lot more charismatic than I am. I sometimes
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  Speaker 1: hear myself, like, I feel like I'm bringing the room
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  Speaker 1: down to like this very thoughtful, like monotone space. But
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  Speaker 1: I had, I was battling all that to get up
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  Speaker 1: and stand in my assignment. But I had to remind
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  Speaker 1: myself while I love my bishop and I was in
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  Speaker 1: all these people, I'm on the same flyer, right? Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the same space. And so I think that
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  Speaker 1: was the moment for you. And then to have come
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  Speaker 1: out of the event because I didn't know you before
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  Speaker 1: that and to look at your stuff and be like,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know you're lying. That this
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  Speaker 1: is what I asked you to do. about speaking when,
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  Speaker 1: let's be candid, you've been on stages I haven't been
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  Speaker 1: invited to, right? Around people, the caliber of individuals I
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  Speaker 1: haven't yet met. So while we're doing this, right, let's
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  Speaker 1: be clear. So I think that was the moment, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it was important for me to say back
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  Speaker 1: to you, I could have been like, well, here's how
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  Speaker 1: you could be a better speaker. I could have gave
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  Speaker 1: my three points in conclusion. It was important for me
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  Speaker 1: to say, hey, actually you are already the thing that
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  Speaker 1: you aspire to be. And you just got to know
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  Speaker 1: that you already it and, and see the value in
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  Speaker 1: the role that he's putting you in. You're speaking over
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  Speaker 1: all of us, right? You're, you're, you're creating the atmosphere
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  Speaker 1: that all of us get to walk into. I may
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  Speaker 1: have spoken better because of the atmosphere that you were
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: pivotal in creating that ease is part of the anointing
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  Speaker 1: on your life. And you have to see that. So again,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: we talk about the borrowed blueprints, right? Or we talk
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  Speaker 1: about those things. It's easy sometimes to see somebody and
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  Speaker 1: start trying to figure out how to be that. When
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  Speaker 1: the blueprint that God gave you and the skills that
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  Speaker 1: he gave you already allows you to move and ease
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  Speaker 1: the way he's called you to do. And so we
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  Speaker 1: can get clear about purpose and we can refine assignment
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  Speaker 1: and we can look at how we show up in
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  Speaker 1: assignment and identify different graces that people carry, different skill
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  Speaker 1: sets that we value in ways that help us refine
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  Speaker 1: how we show up in assignment. But you already is.
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  Speaker 4: I think, first of all, your interpretation of....
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  Speaker 1: Your interpretation is just glorified, okay?
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  Speaker 2: It comes from the third heaven. You hear me? Because
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  Speaker 2: that's one thing that I have struggled with. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: It's like... Looking to, like, you're right. I did diminish
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  Speaker 4: myself in that moment. And I didn't think of it
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  Speaker 4: until you brought it up. It's like, hold up, what
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  Speaker 4: are you talking about? Because it would have, like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it would have been easy for you to say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is how you become a speaker, X, Y, and Z.
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  Speaker 4: And we look, thank you, Holy Spirit, we look so much,
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  Speaker 4: so forward to being an expert in a thing and
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  Speaker 4: not the help. Not the help that meets, right? Especially
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  Speaker 4: with us being women, right? Because that's what we were
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  Speaker 4: created as, like, help meets. And it's not just for
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  Speaker 4: a man.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: That's not, I don't know who need to hear that,
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  Speaker 4: but I feel a little oil on it. That's the
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  Speaker 4: help me is not just.
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  Speaker 2: For the man. It's for my sister in Christ.
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  Speaker 4: It's for me and joy get to help each other
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  Speaker 4: and we get to do relationship while we help each other.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think it goes back to the point
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  Speaker 4: where you were talking about, um, being in the, having
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  Speaker 4: the same type of title or like position, but different assignments.
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  Speaker 4: I think especially us as believers struggle with that because
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  Speaker 4: church is really teaches us.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, the evangelist does this. The prophet does this. The
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  Speaker 2: apostle does it. The teacher does that.
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  Speaker 4: How do you help navigate people out of there?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Because I know we deal with a lot of believers.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: You help believers put strategies with their faith, right?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: You help build strategies around their faith.
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  Speaker 4: And so I wonder like how, how that, how that navigation,
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  Speaker 4: what that navigation looks like for people that are structured
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  Speaker 4: to believe that because I am called to this part
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  Speaker 4: of the five fold or not, this is what I'm
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  Speaker 4: supposed to do. And this is what it's supposed to
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  Speaker 4: look like. What, how do you navigate that with people?
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  Speaker 2: Cause you see, she didn't pull it out at all.
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  Speaker 4: Her face, the face was like, Oh, this is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, um, I'm going to go to Ephesians 4 because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're Christian. I want to read this because
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  Speaker 1: I think we don't, we, yeah. Ephesians 4 and 11 says,
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  Speaker 1: and he gave some apostles and some prophets and some
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  Speaker 1: evangelists and some pastors and some teachers. Verse 12. For
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  Speaker 1: the perfecting of the saints. This is the purpose. He
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  Speaker 1: gave these for a purpose. Perfecting of the saints. Work
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  Speaker 1: of the ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ.
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  Speaker 1: but there's a colon there, so that means we keep reading. 13,
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  Speaker 1: till we all come in the unity of the faith
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  Speaker 1: and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto
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  Speaker 1: a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of
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  Speaker 1: the fullness of Christ, another colon, that we henceforth be
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  Speaker 1: no more children to us to unfurl. It begins to
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  Speaker 1: talk through. If you read from 11, each of those
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  Speaker 1: verses ends with either a colon or a semicolon. And
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  Speaker 1: verse 16 is where the sentence ends. It says, for
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  Speaker 1: whom the whole body fitly joint together and compacted by
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  Speaker 1: that which every joint supplier, according to the effectual working
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  Speaker 1: and the measure of every part, make an increase of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Go
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  Speaker 1: back and read it a message because sometimes it keeps
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: James and NSBB taking us down at the end of
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  Speaker 1: that rabbit hole. But when we look through it, we
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  Speaker 1: have made the fivefold church administrative titles. and not titles
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  Speaker 1: that edify the body until we all come into the
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  Speaker 1: unity of the faith. So we have assigned the pastor,
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  Speaker 1: the prophet, the apostle, the teacher, the evangelist to the church,
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  Speaker 1: not the ecclesia, but the church building or the church
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  Speaker 1: structuring the way we set it up, right? And so
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  Speaker 1: we only have taught people to operate in that model, right?
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  Speaker 1: So what does it mean if I am a pastor
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  Speaker 1: without a pulpit and a four wall building? Have I
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  Speaker 1: been taught what pastoring means, which is to shepherd people
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  Speaker 1: and to shepherd them and to cover them and to
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  Speaker 1: protect them and to whatever. What do I do as
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  Speaker 1: a prophet that is not called to a, you in
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  Speaker 1: the back, stand up. I see that you have on
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  Speaker 1: yellow socks, even though I can't see your top.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: What is a prophet?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: If we go back to actual biblical pattern, let's be clear.
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  Speaker 1: We see prophets that had nothing to do with churches.
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  Speaker 1: They were assigned to kings. They gave war strategy. They
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  Speaker 1: gave information. They gave intel. They downloaded. The first set
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  Speaker 1: of apostles were not released to churches. They were sent
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  Speaker 1: to go out and build, right, and expand. Jesus spends
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: his years in the earth not teaching religion or church.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: He taught kingdoms. And when we think about even the
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  Speaker 1: ecclesia and what that was designed to be, the ecclesia,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: what we call church, was actually a military term that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: is a governed body. It's a called out instead of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: individuals that governs and rules and reigns. Apostles or apostolic,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: some of these words, even adjutancy, some of these words
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  Speaker 1: have become, these are military terms that are assigned to
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  Speaker 1: how we war, how we advance, how we protect. how
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: we move. So unfortunately, many of us are being called
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  Speaker 1: into kingdom assignments when we've only been taught church. So
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what my assignment looks like. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it is to be an evangelist other than
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  Speaker 1: me jumping on planes and being on stages. No one
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  Speaker 1: taught me what it was to be an evangelist in
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  Speaker 1: my job, an evangelist at Walmart, an evangelist at the
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  Speaker 1: bus stop, an evangelist. No one's teaching me what it
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  Speaker 1: is to be a prophet or explaining to me how
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  Speaker 1: apostoling It's so connected to entrepreneurship that I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how we don't even understand how most entrepreneurs have an
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: apostolic calling to plant and to build something. Right. And
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: so we start thinking about what that looks like. It
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  Speaker 1: really requires us again. I'm saying this and but some
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  Speaker 1: of us are building church or borrow blueprint because that
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  Speaker 1: is the blueprint God gave us. Kingdom. So when we
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: start thinking about if the church now is the focus
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  Speaker 1: is that we got to maintain this mortgage because we
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: bought this building and the focus now becomes the sustaining
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  Speaker 1: of a edifice or a ministry has to remain successful
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: because we got to pay everybody. Like if this becomes
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  Speaker 1: a focus, that's not the model that God, that Jesus
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  Speaker 1: left us with that God intended for us to have.
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  Speaker 1: So again, this borrow blueprints conversation is not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to keep it small. It lends into
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  Speaker 1: even as big as are many of our churches being
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  Speaker 1: built off of blueprints that God did not give us
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  Speaker 1: for what church and what even the assembling of the
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  Speaker 1: saints and all these things was supposed to look like,
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  Speaker 1: feel like, and be like. And so to your question,
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  Speaker 1: most of the things what God gave me was the
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  Speaker 1: assignment that he gave me before I even talked to you.
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  Speaker 1: So now I know that heaven is in concert is
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  Speaker 1: to build builders heaven can trust. Can I trust you
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  Speaker 1: to carry me? the blueprint that I gave you? Can
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  Speaker 1: I trust Noah's that are willing to be handed a
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  Speaker 1: blueprint that does not make sense and to build it
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  Speaker 1: against the commentary of the people that we love and respect?
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  Speaker 1: Because I know that not only this assignment came from heaven,
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  Speaker 1: but the blueprint and the instructions to build it came
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  Speaker 1: from heaven. And so I do think that what we're
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  Speaker 1: grappling with and what you named and called out is
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  Speaker 1: there is this thing of, I know I'm called to something,
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  Speaker 1: But the only way I've ever seen it operate is this.
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  Speaker 1: And so what do I do when I know I'm
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  Speaker 1: caught to something that has a model that I have
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  Speaker 1: yet to see? I've got to go back to the
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  Speaker 1: one that caught me.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And so it's starting now. We're in a space where
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: God is pulling a lot of our dependence off of
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  Speaker 1: the validation of people that we love, respect and regard
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  Speaker 1: and saying, but what did I say? Because you've got
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  Speaker 1: to come back to this blueprint for this model. Noah
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  Speaker 1: couldn't go to his father about how to build that boat. Right.
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  Speaker 1: This Abraham had to get up and go to a
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  Speaker 1: place that he would be sent. He couldn't ask his
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  Speaker 1: father about how this obedience works. And so we I
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  Speaker 1: love a culture of respect and regard. I love a
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  Speaker 1: culture that says we don't abandon the elders and we
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: hear what it is. But you can create that in
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  Speaker 1: such a way that it becomes so codependent that I
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  Speaker 1: can't do anything new because of the elder can't tell
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  Speaker 1: me how to do it. I can't do it. Well,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: how do we ever innovate? How do we ever evolve
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  Speaker 1: if I need the reliance on somebody else who's already
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: done it a way to tell me how to do it?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And how do I ever do the new thing? What
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: did he say? I will do a new thing. You
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  Speaker 1: ain't seen this. You ain't seen. Eyes have not seen.
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  Speaker 1: Ears have not heard. How do we navigate that when
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I got to keep coming back to you to ask
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  Speaker 1: you for the next instruction? Jesus. You're God enough. When
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: do we have that moment that Samuel had to have
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: with Eli, where he was like, go back and ask God.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: God is calling you, right? Eli had to have enough
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  Speaker 1: wisdom to say, it's not me calling you. God is
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: calling you. You got to go back to him. And
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: so there is a level of how we have to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: reframe discipleship. I'm going to say this and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to pause here because I know my answers could be
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  Speaker 1: long sometimes.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: No, you're talking real good, Joy.
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  Speaker 1: And I may have said this before, in our discipleship model,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing he took me back to was when
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  Speaker 1: Jesus calls Andrew and Simon. When he calls them, he
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: finds them fishing. And he says to them, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to make you fishers of men. Now, this don't sound
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: like nothing big, but for the fact that Jesus was
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a carpenter. Jesus was not a fisherman. How is Jesus
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: going to teach them how to be an expert in
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a craft that he is not an expert in based
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: on he only know him to be a carpenter? What
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: he understood was that I'm not calling to teach you
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: how to fish. You already know how to be a fisherman.
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  Speaker 1: I'm teaching you how to take what you already know
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  Speaker 1: how to do and put it in a kingdom construct.
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  Speaker 1: So he doesn't tell him, I'm going to teach you
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: how to fish. They are fishing experts, right? He's a carpenter.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: What he's telling them is I'm going to teach you
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: how to take your fisherman skillset and apply it to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: this thing of evangelism or this thing of birthing out
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this kingdom because that's what I know how to do.
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  Speaker 1: We have lost the idea of being able to be
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: carpenters that can create fishes of men. Instead, we want
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  Speaker 1: to make everybody a duplication of who we are. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm a carpenter and I believe that discipleship means that
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  Speaker 1: you've got to be a carpenter, too. It is not
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  Speaker 1: my job to make you me. It is my job
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  Speaker 1: to understand, to teach you how to live in your
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  Speaker 1: gift and to live in your assignment. And so what
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I love about the story is that we keep reading
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  Speaker 1: when we get to the end. To the miracle of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the fishes and loaves, which we all know that miracle,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: we get to the place and he's sitting down feeding
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  Speaker 1: the multitude. And we love to talk about there were
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  Speaker 1: 12 baskets and we love to talk about there was overflowing,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: how he blessed it. and break it. I've heard this
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: preached in all the directions. What we forget to see
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: is that it was Andrew that saw fish. It wasn't
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of fish. It was only two. And it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: may not have even seen significant, but the fishermen saw fish.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: What would happen in the body of Christ if we
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: let fishermen see fish? and just taught them how to
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  Speaker 1: multiply what they saw. So in that moment, Jesus allows
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: him to see fish and teaches him how to multiply
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: what he sees. He never changes his vision. He teaches
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  Speaker 1: him a multiplying model. And so we have to reframe
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  Speaker 1: discipleship to stop cloning people and start teaching people how
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  Speaker 1: to multiply. So when you ask me, how do I
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  Speaker 1: apply this when I'm talking to people? My thing is,
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  Speaker 1: it's my job to turn you into anything. It's my
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: job to allow you to see that who you are
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: How do you take who you are and multiply? How
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: do you take who you are and become a blank
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of men? So if you are a podcaster, become a
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: podcast of men. If you are a dance instructor, become a,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: how do I take you, tell you how to take
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: what you do? And it doesn't ever apply, require me
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: then to be the expert on anything other than what
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: is God showing me as it relates. So again, back
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  Speaker 1: to the, when you asked me, Hey, about being a speaker,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't my job to be the expert in that moment.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It was my job to help you see your impact
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on men. How do you multiply what you already got?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: That is the piece. When we talk about the prophetic
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  Speaker 1: and the apostolic and all these fivefold gifts, if we
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: would stop trying to put people in a box of
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: how this calling is supposed to be defined and teach
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: people how to just be blanks of men, whatever fits
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  Speaker 1: that word for you, we wouldn't battle so much. We
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't battle so much. Teach people how to follow God.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: And they will get to where they need to be.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I'm laughing because I want to scream so bad right now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Joy. I know when I talk to... You be
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: taking us fast. When I talk to Joy... And it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the thing. This is a daily thing. This is not
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: just because she on the podcast.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: You, everybody can't be Joyfriend. Everybody can't, because it would
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: be too much for people. She can, I can ask,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: she don't get these, nobody get questions before. So for
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: her to be able to regurgitate and then like wrap
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: it back around, because we're still talking about half-built houses
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: because the problem is, Joy, what I'm seeing is because
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: we're not encouraged to be the expert of men, the
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: blank of men in our territory, that's the reason why
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  Speaker 4: we have the half-built house.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Because now I'm taking a blueprint that's not mine. And
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: because the blueprint is not mine, it goes back to
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: the point of I'm not able to finish something I
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: started because it was never mine to start in the
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  Speaker 4: first place. And I think that I think it's so
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: important to know because I will say this.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I will say this.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I catch myself in my mind, Joya. of being
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the prophetic voice. And my best friend Bree has told
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Desiree and I, like with the podcast, This is like
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: a pastoral grace. And so just honoring the pastoral grace.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And it made me cringe. I was like, uh-uh. I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: don't want that. You know what I'm saying?
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: But it is what it is. You get what I'm saying?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: It's shepherding men, you know? And so just embracing that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: But then it's like, but what if I'm like, but
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: this looks so different than what I'm accustomed to. How
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: do I embrace something when I'm told? I'm literally a
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: pictures kid, right? I grew up in church.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I understand the structure of church. I know the good, bad,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: and the ugly. All right. That's why I want to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: be a part of it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: But it's so important because I think that because I've
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: embraced this without the language of this is what this is,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: I think bringing the language saying, oh, okay, it heightens
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: the responsibility. But I don't want to I want to
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: put a pin in this because we might come back
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: to this. But I want to ask you a question
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: because I think for people that are, especially that are
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: just entering the faith and that are even navigating through it,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't understand the power of spiritual responsibility to each
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: other and what that looks like. So sometimes people hear
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: me talk about my coach and also my spiritual mother, Dr. D.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Funby.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: And they don't understand the connection with what we have
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: and how much impact on my house that I'm building
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: that she has. And so I thought it was interesting
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: that you dedicated this to Bishop Connie. And I want
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: to know why, like what that relationship is to you.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Why did you dedicate this book to her and how
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: she's helped you navigate building your house?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I got teary.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, oh my gosh.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these questions ain't scripted. Okay, so. I don't even
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: know where that came from. So, I met Bishop Connie in...
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: When things were well, I met Bishop Connie in 2022.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And my business was doing well. Let me put that correctly. Financially,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I was doing well. I met her in a marketplace context.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I was actually coming in to be a speaker at
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: an event. And she was almost like my handler at
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the event. She made sure I knew my call time.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: staging time. So I did not meet her as Bishop Connie.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I met her as Coach Connie, Dr. C. That's how
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I met her. I had been working with this community.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: And so I was doing, at that time, we were
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: doing HR for the culture. I was doing some of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the HR consulting. I would come on and do like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: different classes and things with their people and their membership.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So I met her there. So she would be like, hey,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: are you jumping on the call? I'd be running late.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: You know, she was like the person that was like
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: making sure I stayed on. So when I met her
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in person, she was moving through And, um, I don't
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: even know, I can't, I don't know when the relationship shifted.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you what conversation it was. Um, but
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: we would end up being on the phone. I would
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: end up speaking to her about things because she would
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: ask me a question or, um, we would just be
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: preparing for something. So she had to like dig in.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And so, um, I remember the event that we did
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: in person. She had been coach Connie all weekend, but
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that Sunday they had, they set the event to be
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: more like a church event. And so they were like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they are introducing Bishop Stewart. And I don't know who
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that is. So I'm waiting for Bishop Stewart to come out.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And it's Coach Connie. And when I tell you, you've
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: seen her in action. And she walked down. But she
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: also prayed for me at that event. And I had
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: lost my mom some months prior. I had gone through
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a divorce some months prior. And I think at this
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: point I may have also buried my grandmother. So there
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: was a lot that had gone on in like a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: one year and a 12 month span. And she prayed
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: for me without having a lot of insight into like
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: deep into my personal life. And from that moment, it
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: just felt like she was somebody I could speak to.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So I think I may have like, can I ask
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you a question? Cause I'll, I'll, I come in light.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Can I just ask you? And we were having a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: particular conversation one day. And so she asked me randomly
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: what I was doing in ministry. And I was like, well, Now,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: like you, I'm a preacher's kid, preacher's grandkid. I was
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: going back, my grandfather was literally the president at a
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: National Baptist Ministries Conference during his time. He was the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: executive secretary of the Presbyterian Council. Like, I come from
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: people who did stuff, right? And so I come from
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a rich lineage. It just, I don't know, it didn't
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: land in me the same way, right? Like my call
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to it. So at 16, I was a worship leader
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: at my church. I ran a youth program called Arise.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Like I came out of ministry and then I left it.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: And I would always look back and be like, I
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: didn't stay in long enough to matriculate. So like, I
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: didn't get my, I can't say that I've been preaching.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: You know, people are like, I've been preaching for 45 years.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I left, right? I left and went into marketplace work.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But she asked me what I was doing about ministry.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And I remember saying to her, like, you know, it
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: was some, I've never felt like ministry wanted me. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: at the point that I decided that I could lean in,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like I was always too analytical. You know, I didn't
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: have enough faith because I was too logistical, all those things.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So I never knew where I fit. Everybody wanted me
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to make me a church admin. I didn't think that's
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: what I was called to. I didn't mind the work,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: but I didn't think that was it. And then at
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a point that my life was out of alignment, I
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything that touched anything sacred. So
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I would only want to do the back stuff because
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I knew my life wasn't in alignment. And so she
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: finally said to me, she was like, you don't have
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to chase it. And then I said, then it became
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a carrot. where people dangle it in front of you.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Like if you serve, if you slave here long enough,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: we'll rank you up at some point. And I didn't
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: want that. And so she finally said, I'm not asking
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: you to chase it, but you don't have to run
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: from it either. And so I sat with that. And
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: so it opened my mind back up to like, well,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: what would that look like? At the time I was
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: attending a church that I don't have the name. And
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: they had a hierarchical structure where It was like, I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: had to be there for so many years, I guess,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: to even be licensed to do anything. Although I was
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: doing work in ministry, I was doing with Faith Me
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Strategy at that time. People were inviting me to speak
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and they would always do that awkward, like, what do
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: we call you? And it would be like, Sister Joyous, like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is. And so she finally said, well,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I'll license you. Like, I have a fellowship. I don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: want to disregard your pastor. I'm happy to talk to them. And,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: you know, get whatever clearances. But, like, if that's all
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: it is, is that you just need somebody. Like, you
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: need somebody to say that you're legit in these ministry streets.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And so, we didn't do no fancy ordination. She didn't
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: charge me to fly her in. Like, it wasn't any
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of that stuff. She had a conversation with my pastor.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: My pastor at the time was like, if you license her,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: we'll honor it here. Right? That she came with this
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: license and we'll honor it. So, that was the agreement.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: She licensed me. They honored it. And then it was
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Minister Joy. And she never put anything on it. When
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I then relaunched my Faith Me strategy, she put, I think,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: her and about five or six of her leaders on
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a plane and flew from Houston to New York to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: sit in the room, to take notes, to not be centered,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to not be staged, just to sit in a room.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And when my business broke, I remember one event, we
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: were on the phone and I was trying to figure
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: out my hair. And I was like, I'm just going
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to wear a puff. It was just something like, I'm
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: just going to, she was like, you're not. And I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: get a ping on my cash app and she sent
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: me a decent amount of money to get my hair
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: done for an event. Like, and so when I moved,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I knew God was telling me to move to Houston.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: She never told me to move. When I got here, actually,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I had to ask her, like, did God tell you
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to be here? Cause you ain't said nothing.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't pack up my house. I'm waiting for
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you to be like, whoa, I stand to be. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: ain't for nothing. And she said, I knew you were
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: supposed to be here, but you had to know that
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: has been, the confidant relationship. And what she didn't know
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: is when I was deciding on the move, I was
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in a program and we were talking about the Elijah
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and Elisha relationship. And we were at the point in
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the study where it talks about how Elijah just kind
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of threw this cloak on Elisha. And Elisha was like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: let me gather my things. I'm chasing after you. Like
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I'm abandoning. And Elijah was kind of confused. Like, wait,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I just was doing what God, I would just, I
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: just threw this cloak. I didn't know what this was
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: going to mean. I'm in that week of study and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: happened to be in Houston and I went to service.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: She was preaching and she prayed for me. And at
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the end I heard, I asked somebody hand me that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. And she draped me
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: with something and was like, you're covered. And that was
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: my confirmation that like, without her having to say, God
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: had to give it to me in a way that
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't question it later. Cause this transition wasn't easy. Um,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: but since in the transition and then being here, her
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: pour into me has been consistent. Um, She never has
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: allowed me to settle to be like, I'm just going
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: to use church gifts, but I'm still asking you about this.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: What are you doing in the marketplace? What are you
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: doing about the assignment? What are you doing about the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: quality of God on your life? She did not require
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: me to become somebody else. Stylistically, we are very different. Dress,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: ministry style, like we are night and day. She never
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: forced me or never made me feel like I needed
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to morph into another version of myself. I can be
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: completely honest with her. I told her my dirty dirt
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: before I even, like, hey, before you even licensed me,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: let me give you all the things that made, it
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if she blinked on the phone,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: but I didn't hear the blink come through the line. Like,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: it was very supportive and engaging. And so, even in
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: this particular season, I had to think about, and I'm
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: saying this in not a braggartly way, but for context.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I have a six-figure job, and I just
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: bought a house. And in some instances, I landed okay.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: You know, my business fell apart, but I landed okay, right?
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I got medical coverage. I landed okay. And she just
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: never lets me be okay. It's always like, I hear you,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: but what you finna do? Where we finna go? And
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: so when I started writing this book, I don't even
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: think she knows that I wrote it, that it's in
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: there like that. But it was like, I can't write
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: something like this without honoring the person in this particular
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: season of my life who has not allowed me to
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: be okay in a half-built house of my own. To
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: kind of like prop something up real fast, to do
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a thing. And what I will say about her, I've
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: worked with other bishops. I've worked with the people of God.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of people who have made
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the ministries and the launches and the businesses of the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: people that they, their sons and daughters, they have made
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: it their platform, part of their platform. So every time
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: one of these spiritual children do something, you got to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: be centered on it. You got to be fluted. It's
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a monetizing moment for you. It's an opportunity for you
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to be visible. My bishop has emceed my events. She
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: has literally come and introduced me at events and went
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: and sat on the side and made sure I was good.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: She has literally armor-beared me at an event where she
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: was like, you're going to pray for people. And she
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: wrapped her arm around me and walked me through the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: room and wiped my face and made sure I was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: sipping water while I was praying for folks. She's done that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And I've watched her not just do it for me,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: but for other people. And so I'm never going to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: be the person that gets somewhere and doesn't remember the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: people who allowed me to stand on their ankles, their shoulders,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: their back, whatever. But for this particular book, it was
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: just really like, in the beginning, I dedicate to her
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and at the end, I acknowledge the countervote joy community,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the people that have allowed me to be a scientist
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: on them and figure out my assignment while they're like
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: leaning in. But I don't think people understand, I don't
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: have living parents. I don't have living grandparents. And so
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: for somebody to, literally take me off the sidewalk and
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to see and to speak into and to want me
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to be big, not just want me to be capable
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: to build their stuff, but want me to be big
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: in my own stuff. This was a way to memorialize it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I've said things to her, but this was a way
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: for me to memorialize that like that matters. And I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: really endeavor when I think about people who I will mentor,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: people who I will lead. I really want everyone, when
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I think about you, demanding different ones. I want y'all
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to be better than me. I never want y'all to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: be stunted at or think that what I did was
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: so big. Like I literally want y'all to see it
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: through the lens of she did that. Let me do that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And then like Jesus's model in the earth was in
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: greater works, right? We'll follow them. And so I'm grateful
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that I have somebody that wants me to be great.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm praying that I continue to stay in a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: space where the people that get connected to me, that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: my desire for them is always for them to be
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: able to look back at me and be like, you
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I don't want them always
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: looking up to me. I want them to be able
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to look back at me and know that they surpassed,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that they went further. So yeah, let's stop this because.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: While I don't really got.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: On no makeup, I don't need you. Listen, I was like,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: oh child.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: But no, you really, that's something that you, I don't
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: even think you, I don't know if you realize you
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: say it. Like anytime we on the phone, you were like, Jessica,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I just want you to be great. That's every conversation.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: That's every conversation. And so you deserve somebody like that.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: You deserve As much as you pour in the willingness,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: it's one thing to have all this gifting and anointing,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: but it's another thing to willingly pour it out.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: And you do that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: And so I was curious, like, because I didn't know
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: until later on, like when we started building a relationship
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: that you and Bishop Cunningham was in relationship. But then
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: when I started seeing the relationship, I was like, oh,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: this makes sense. This makes so much sense to see
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: both of y'all in the room. And I aspire to
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: do that one day. I know it's coming soon that
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I'll be able to minister on the same stages as
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Coach D. You know what I'm saying? She's already prophesied that.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: And when I didn't even know my voice was even mattered.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: This was before the podcast. This was before all this.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: And just like you, we had a cloak moment. I
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: didn't even understand the cloak. Where the Lord released me
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: to give her a word. And I felt like it
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: was a simple word, but I felt the fire of God.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: And she said, I saw myself cloaking someone this morning,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: and it's you. And I didn't know what any of
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: that meant. I didn't know what any of that meant,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: and it did not make sense. And I think this
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: portion is not just only about the... The concept of
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: someone helping you build your house, but the idea of community,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: because a lot of us have run away from community
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: based upon the structure of a community that we might
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: not have agreed with, that has probably altered our idea
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: of God and our relationship or our positioning, our assignments. Like,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I think it's so important to go beyond the church. And, like,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad that you mentioned that Bishop Cunningham is
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: not just about the spiritual, but understanding how the spiritual
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: connects to the entrepreneur.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: We need people.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: We desperately need people to get in their position because
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: if Bishop Coney wasn't in her position, if Coach D
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: wasn't in her position, if they didn't do their assignments,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: they could never help us with ours. That goes back
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: to the idea, and I'm stealing this idea.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I ain't going to lie.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: The idea of the carpenter telling the fishermen that he
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: was going to teach them to be fisher of men.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Never caught that concept.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Your brain, Joy, is beautiful. Okay?
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: I love talking to you because I don't want to
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: be a tax lady. That's what they know Coach D
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: for around these parts. I don't want to be the
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: tax lady. I don't even like numbers like that to
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: be no tax lady. And she's not trying to be
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: a podcaster. But what she had in her led me
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: to my person in podcasting. And so I think that
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I think I'm just so amazed with how how it
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: wraps all together about the position of not just you
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: not having the blueprint, but who helps you manage your,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: manages your blueprint.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And one of the other areas, and I just
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: want to like to round it out around his half
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: bill ideas that like, as I was writing, he also
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: had to take me back to like, we think half
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: bill means, um, not finished in the visible way of finish. Right.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: So I'll use a book for an example. He was
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: talking to me and was like, so you wrote the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: book and it's published. What was the purpose of writing
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the book? So somebody could read it. We're good writing
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a book and putting it on Amazon. Ain't nobody read it.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: It's still a half built house. It feels like a completion,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: but if it has not walked itself to the purpose
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: of being in the hands of people that need to
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: read it. So what that did is that how that
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: impacted me in marketplace and shifted is that Some of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: us have a problem or issue with selling, marketing, pushing
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  Speaker 1: things forward, saying, I wrote a book, saying I, and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: we feel it as it is self-promoting. We've talked to these,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: you know, he just going to sprinkle your name in rooms.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: He just going to flip. Like we've made this, this
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: very passive. Yes, he can and does, but we've also
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: made it very passive, right? This passive space. When I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: look at the story of Joseph, the, Cupbearer is able
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to mention his name in a room that he's not
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: in because he experienced his gift in the low place. Right.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: So this cupbearer doesn't know Joseph's name, but for Joseph
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: being willing to interpret dreams in the prison, being willing
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: to operate and work his gift in a season that
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: does not look right. So how does the cupbearer have
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: his name in his mouth? And so we start processing
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: how many of us have done a thing. If I
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: do the podcast, but I don't ever care that nobody's
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: watching it. If I write the book, but I'm never pressed.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: If I build a program, but I'm okay sitting in
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a room with two people because I'm scared to mark
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: it out loud and fill a room with a thousand
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: people for the glory of God. If I'm going to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: do it, that's another version of have built houses because
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: some of us, God had to get me. You have
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: gotten content with doing events with 25 people in them.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Because that's safe for me. Because I ain't got to
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: do hard. 25 people, I can do that on a
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Facebook post. So when he's stretching me next year and
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: was like 100 people and I'm like, that means that
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I got to say some things out loud. That means
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: that I can't do everything on the secret Zoom screen
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: that don't nobody know about. That means that there's some
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: things that I have to do differently. But he was
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: showing me it's easy to judge the Hatfield House by
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the program you never finished or the thing you didn't launch.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: But what about the launch that you was comfortable that
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: nobody came to? What are you like? I launched it.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: What about the thing that he's telling you? He has
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: thousands of people in it, but you don't want to
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: talk about it. So you've been content that as long
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: as 10 people showed up and we will take scripture
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and make ourselves content with two or three gather, he'd
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: be in the midst. But did he call you to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: two or three?
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: And so those are the things that he was talking
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: to me. This half bill is, did it go all
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the way to purpose? Did it not? How did you,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: how did you finish a thing? Not that you record
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: an episode, but did it meet the people that were
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: supposed to hear it? And what was your responsibility to
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: get it to them?
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: That scripture that says that my sheep know my voice,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: a stranger they won't follow. It requires that the shepherd
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: is speaking. She can't hear a voice that is not
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: being projected and put forth. So we can spiritualize being
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, being tucked away. We can make it
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: all God's job to, To move us forward. But there's
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: a responsibility if he's giving you an assignment that we
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: got to preach and build, right? We got to talk
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: about the thing and move it forward. We have to
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: be able to make sure that what God gives us prospers.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And yes, he prospers our way, but there's some work
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: that we have to do to move these things forward.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: So have built ain't just the thing you never did.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: It's the thing you did that's collecting dust because you
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: didn't do the rest of the work to make sure
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: that it made it to the purpose of the goal
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: of the thing. He don't just want us writing books
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: so we can call ourselves authors. He's giving us, he's
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: not just, he don't just want us doing podcasts so
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: we can get comfortable hearing our own voices, right? There's
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: a purpose to it. So are we taking it to
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the purpose? Are we moving it as far as it
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: needs to go?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Is somebody convicted over there? Or is it just me?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, are you convicted? I think my toes, my
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: toes is gone because she's unstepped all.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Because she answered my next question. So, Desiree, just come
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: to the platform so the people can hear your thoughts.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Because a lot has happened in this hour. I don't
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: even know where to start. I mean, she came out
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: the gate like... Yeah, like Jackie Chan. And then ended
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: with a.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: That's how she ended it. But no, this conversation was good.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: It was convicting in a great way because... I don't
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: think you can hear this conversation and not take an
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: inward look of responsibility of the thing that God has
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: called you to do, whether you think it's big or small,
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: and evaluate how you've been stewarding it, right? So I
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: think initially when she talked about building on borrowed blueprints,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: it made me think about unboxed worship, right? So, you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: some years ago, the Lord gave me unboxed worship. And
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: because I was fairly, I call my, I was fairly
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: new in this particular spiritual walk, right? Like give my
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: life back to Christ and just like, I felt like
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: the spirit was like, boom, here we go. So because
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I was new, newer to the journey, I only knew
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: what I saw, like where I was around.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, okay, it's a thing. Maybe
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to look like this. So we gonna pray.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Cause the people around me, they pray and they pray
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: like this, but I don't pray like that. So I'm
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: gonna let them pray. I'm gonna let them do the
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: thing and.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: X, Y, and Z.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: So because I felt like that I didn't fit in
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: that space, I stopped.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: And so in stopping, like literally the Lord has brought
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: literally this year has brought it back, has brought the
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: has set it on my on my shoulders and brought
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: it back to me.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: But because I've journeyed.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: You know, because I've allowed the Holy Spirit to unbox
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: me and just settle into who I am.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I am different. Me and Jessica, you can clearly tell
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: that's my sister. I love her. But we're just different.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? And I had to be
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: okay with my difference. And also the word that the
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Lord had shown me as we talk about, like, stewarding
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: and things like that. I ain't want that either because
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: I ain't going to be sitting with them people.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: But it just looked different, right?
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: So... I'm saying all that to say that the thing
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: that God has given us, and I am guilty about
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: writing a book and then putting it on the shelf
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: because I wrote it last year.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: And it's sitting. I was hoping you heard her.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: It's sitting there. Matter of fact, I got a box full.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: There's probably still.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Do you see her face? I see her face.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: I see you.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: She cute. All in my house.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I took the rest of my toes. But
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: so I'm just saying this to say that. We just
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: have to be better stewards of the thing that God
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: has called us to. You know what I'm saying? And
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: being okay with doing it how he's called us to
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: do it, regardless of how different or not popular that
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: it looks. Because if we're going to be fishers of men,
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: that means he's called us to a particular sector of
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: people that if we're not showing up authentically ourselves, if
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: we're not showing up and doing it how he's called
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: us to do it, we're going to miss them and
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: they're going to miss us.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: So that's a miss. Again, it's another half built house
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: because it's a missed assignment. So look at her. So
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: thank you. For some reason, I want to call you Dr.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Joy. Thank you, Joy, for coming in and, sorry. And just,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: you know, snatching our wigs and stuff off today.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: So at this point, y'all should know, anytime y'all see
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: the name Joy Pittman and this curly fro and beat
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: face with the bold lip, just know the cute face
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: come with a swing.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: The cute thing, and let me tell you, not just
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: in the spirit, don't try her in the physical because
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: she from New York. That pants, don't try to sneak
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: my girl because.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: She might have the pants.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: For you. Joy, I'm in search for words. And as
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I search for my words, we know the tradition of
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: just ask. If they didn't hear anything but this one thing,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: what do you want to leave the people with? If
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: it's about half-built houses, if it's about relationship, community, if
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: it's about how Jessica didn't see herself as a speaker
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: when you came for my neck, I would like to
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: leave you a floor. And I don't know if the
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: woman of God is going to give us a prophetic word.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: It's probably going to be very prophetic because the Lord
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: knows she uses.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: But the floor is yours, sis. I'm so grateful for you.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I'm grateful for y'all, too. One thing I do want
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to say to anybody that will watch this is if
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: you leave with nothing else, make up in your mind
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: that you won't leave this earth as a dreamer. Don't
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: die a dreamer. Don't die full of witty ideas and
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: inventions and anointings and calls that you have not allowed
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: God to birth through you. Be willing to understand that
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: in this particular hour, The Bible tells us that he
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: will do a new thing, right? He does a new thing.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And so allow yourself to be a part of a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: new thing. Go back to your word and begin to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: excavate for yourself. What did these giftings and callings and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: things look like? Because oftentimes we have only learned to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: understand who God is calling us to be through the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: lens of who he called somebody else to be. So
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: what is it that you're asking of me? Be courageous
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: in this hour, right? Um, Be willing to move forward.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of elaborateness at this moment,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: but just don't die a dreamer. I will share this
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: personal story. Right now, and I've shared it before, and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: it's the thing that keeps me reminded. If I go
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: in my garage, if I go in my guest room
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: that I'm still figuring out, I have a box, about
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: two or three plastic bins full of notebooks, composition notebooks,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: notepads or whatever. And in them, you will find my
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: mother's handwriting, books, teaching and all kinds of things that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: she wrote, but she never put out fully into the earth.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: And she passed in 2021. And one of the things
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: that's always been in my heart is that I don't
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: ever want anybody else connected to me to leave this
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: earth with things that will sit in bins that God
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: intended to be on bookshelves, to have words locked up
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: inside of them. or to have things that they left
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: this earth holding that God meant to be on main
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: stages and meant to be recorded and meant to be
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: passed down and meant to be a part of their legacy.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: And so we have to lock in in this moment
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: and decide we're not going to leave this earth as dreamers.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: There is a shift. God, I thank you today. There's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: absolutely a shift back to a kingdom focus. And I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: know people are using it as a buzzword. I know
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: people where now we're doing kingdom everything, kingdom conferences or whatever.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: But I would admonish you all, go back and look
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: at Jesus's ministry. Go back and look at the parables
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that he shared, the parable of the leaven, the parable
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: of the mustard seed. When he began to talk about
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the kingdom is like, the kingdom is like wheat and tare.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: He said there was a master that sold wheat and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: then somebody came at night, his enemy came at night
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and sold tare and he let the wheat and the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: tare grow together. That all of these parables talk about
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: how we must exist in the world amongst the world,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: and to impact the world for the glory of God.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: We look at the model of Joseph. Joseph is taken
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: out and put into Egypt. Daniel is taken out and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: put into Babylon. We see these models of God's people
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: being placed into the systems of the world to bring
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: forth and to bring clarity, placed into the systems of
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: the world to bring impact as we can no longer
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: exist between the construct of, I'm just going to be,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to grab myself and run back into the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: safe haven. I'm going to I'm going to go out
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: and earn my money and we're making a safe haven. No,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: you are designed to impact the world for the glory
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: of God, to impact him. I've been looking at, and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I'm closing here, the parable of the leaven. And when
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: you look at what leaven did, leaven was a small
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: piece that was put in and embedded in the flour,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: embedded in what it was. And what it did was
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: that it changed the consistency of the whole loaf. You
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: didn't necessarily see the leaven, but it changed. It changed internally.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: It impacted the whole thing. We are literally called. So
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: for those of you that will watch this, that don't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: feel like you were called to be locked behind four walls,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: that the normal construct of the way things have felt
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: feels like that's not what God is calling you to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: or pushing you towards. For those of you that have
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: felt like, I just, I know I belong to God,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: but I don't know what it looks like to be
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: connected here. I want you to understand and to lean
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: into the idea that he has called us to be
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: weed amongst hairs, right? He's called us to occupy until
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: he comes. He's called us to be made in his
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: image and likeness and to show up in the places
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: of the world where people need to see him. And
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: so it's okay that you don't look like everybody else.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: It's okay that you don't fit. Find your alignment in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: God and allow him to align you into the places
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: that he's called you to be. Make up your mind
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: that you will not die a dreamer, that you will
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: not be content living in half-built houses. That's all I got.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Love y'all.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: That's all you got. Listen, we take that. We take that. Oh,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: my goodness.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: Y'all, this book and the link, Desiree, we'll put in
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: the description.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Because we need this. And this will be a book
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: that we do in the safe space. I want to
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: invite you guys to the safe space where we meet
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: every week on Mondays for about 90 minutes. And we
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: talk about different titles like this, like different discussions like this.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: How can we not leave this earth a dreamer, right?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: And not completely build our houses, making sure that we are.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: In the blueprint. And you might see my good sis Joy.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: She has agreed upon the things, but I'm so proud
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: of her and where she is. And I'm so encouraged
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: by her and how she continues to keep going. So
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: I am definitely promoting this book intentionally because I need
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: it for me and I know you need it for you.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: So let's build these houses on the right blueprint that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: the Lord has given us. But y'all, this has been one.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be digesting probably for the rest of these,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: this year. I'm definitely, I feel I have holy conviction.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Okay. After this conversation.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: So y'all, y'all tell me what y'all think in the chat. Uh,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: we want to hear from you guys. And if you
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: want to get connected with joy, make sure you go
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: into the description and just follow her. She has a lot,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of things coming on and she's a podcaster.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: The joy you need.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Uh, shameless plug of the joy you need. Um, y'all,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: I love you guys until next week, until next time. Remember,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: Life could be much more simple if you just ask.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode. Since
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: you've made it this far, you might as well connect
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: with us on all social media.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Platforms at the Jessica S.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Smith.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: I know I won't see you back until next week,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: but until then, remember to love always yourself.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: And always thank.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: God for another day.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: I know we could be another way.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Thank God for another day.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: I'm just thankful for another day. Another day older. Another
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: day wiser. Another day to get it right. Another day
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: to rise up. Another day living. Another day with loved ones.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Always remember, hold it down for above one.