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Credlin | 10 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Chris, good evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Steve Price with you. As Chris just said, Peter will
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Speaker 2: be back with you tomorrow night. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: though on Kredlin tonight. Looks like the Liberal Party will
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Speaker 2: meet later this week, probably Friday, to elect a new
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Speaker 2: leader to replace Susan Lee. But does Angus Taylor have
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Speaker 2: the numbers? Sky's political letter Andrew Clanel with all the
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Speaker 2: inside information, he'll join us. Shortly, violent protests spilt across
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Speaker 2: the streets of Sydney last night, while down the road
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Speaker 2: Sidney's Jewish community were morning the Bondi fifteen along with
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Speaker 2: Israel's President Isaac Hertzog. We'll talk to Robert Gregory from
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Speaker 2: the Australian Jewish Association and I'll have my view on
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Speaker 2: all of those protests. Shortly, retail theft in this country,
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Speaker 2: it's completely out of control, with bottle shops putting expensive
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Speaker 2: liquor behind locked glass and Bunnings introducing face recognition cameras.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to their boss on how that is going
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Speaker 2: to work. Plus cross to Sophie Ellsworth in the UK
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Speaker 2: from the gathering outside Sydney Town Hall intended to whip
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Speaker 2: up public anger. Well, that won't work because that activist
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Speaker 2: crowd of losers will never understand that six weeks on
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Speaker 2: from the terror attack that slaughtered fifteen innocent people at Bondi,
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Speaker 2: average Australians have had enough. These people shaking toy dolls
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Speaker 2: covered in fake blood, wearing kefirs and shouting about Infantata
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Speaker 2: and the rivet of the sea will never listen. And
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Speaker 2: weak reaction from our federal government posts the October seven
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Speaker 2: Hummas attack and let anti Semitism fester, resulting in synagogue
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Speaker 2: fire bombings, anti Semitic grief, graffiti attacks and ultimately Bondie
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Speaker 2: have to bear some of the blame. Now, this violent
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Speaker 2: activist behavior will not stop until police in every state
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Speaker 2: and I mean every state and state and federal politicians
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Speaker 2: nationwide start to seriously use the hate laws available to them.
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Speaker 2: Australians can't work out why those laws are not being used.
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Speaker 2: I mean from last night and what we saw only
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Speaker 2: nine people arrested. Now the time for a softly softly
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Speaker 2: right to protest free speech molly coddling.
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Speaker 1: Should be over.
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Speaker 2: Just use the laws you have for God's sake, and
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why this stuff won't stop. Take the
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Speaker 2: Federal Member for Men, Zarie Steggel, who is by my
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Speaker 2: colleague Laura jays On Sky this morning, when asked about
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Speaker 2: Australian of the Year Grace Tame, shouting to the mob
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Speaker 2: about invitata.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen, Laura.
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Speaker 3: We have freedom of speech in Australia. She is entitled to.
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Speaker 4: Also her hate speech. LUs.
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Speaker 3: I do not agree these we do and those hate
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Speaker 3: speech laws go to if you are in urging or
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Speaker 3: encouraging harm to be brought upon Australians. That is what
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Speaker 3: the hate speech for speech is. I don't agree with
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Speaker 3: what is being chanted, but I also respect that there
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Speaker 3: are these is encouraged.
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Speaker 4: Very common.
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Speaker 2: Well, this stuff won't stop, I mean seriously, is that
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Speaker 2: what the people of the Northern Beaches of Sydney really
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Speaker 2: want to represent them in Federal Parliament? Will take Green's mpes,
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Speaker 2: Where's David Shubridge falsely accusing New South Wales police of
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Speaker 2: quote hunting down.
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Speaker 5: Protesters aabor Premier Chrisans who actively invited that level of
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Speaker 5: police response, pushing through draconian police powers, demonizing protests and
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Speaker 5: then calling in hundreds and hundreds of police to deliver
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Speaker 5: the violence on the streets of Sydney. Two labor leaders
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Speaker 5: one appalling night of violence in Sydney where peaceful protesters
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Speaker 5: were literally being hunted through the streets of Sydney by
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Speaker 5: packs of police.
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Speaker 1: Hunted through the streets. Give me a break, they were
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Speaker 1: at the town hall.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's beyond time that ordinary Australians made a
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Speaker 2: noise about this stuff on our streets. We have endured
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Speaker 2: these protests every weekend since October twenty twenty three. Many
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Speaker 2: of these protests have been protest marches have been infiltrated
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Speaker 2: by radical socialist anarchists who have hijacked what began as
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Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian movement from a state government point of view.
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Speaker 2: And this is easily explained because of Bondi and fifteen dead.
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Speaker 2: The New South Wales Premier Chrismins has been the sense
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Speaker 2: adult in the room when it comes to these people
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Speaker 2: on the streets. He even gave protesters away out. He
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Speaker 2: said to them go to Hyde Park and march down
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Speaker 2: College Street to State Parliament.
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Speaker 6: I mean police lines were repeatedly breached or attempted to
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Speaker 6: be breached by the protesters as the night wore on
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Speaker 6: and New South Wales Police and I've spoken to the
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Speaker 6: commanders both last night and this morning gave ample time
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Speaker 6: for people to leave the area.
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Speaker 2: Well, that alone shows these mobs wanted to disrupt and
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Speaker 2: cause public anxiety with these endless disruptive marchers. And please
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Speaker 2: don't start with the violent police narrative. This was in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: five hundred police versus six thousand protesters. I mean, look
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Speaker 2: at those numbers, five hundred up against six thousand. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian Action Group spokesman, this bloke, Josh Lees, wheeled
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Speaker 2: out the usual anti police rhetoric.
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Speaker 6: Peaceful protesters who were just trying to stop for genocide, trying.
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Speaker 7: To say we should have the right to protest peacefully
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Speaker 7: and we were at shucked by the police tonight.
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Speaker 2: Seriouslyte you need to disappear. He was given the option
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Speaker 2: of an alternative venue and a march. He went to
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Speaker 2: court to change that and lost and deliberately went to
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Speaker 2: the town hall. He is pathetically obstructive and reveling in
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Speaker 2: his moment in the sunshine. Six weeks ago, allegedly a
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Speaker 2: father and a son got in their car loaded with
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Speaker 2: explosives an ISIS flag and a bunch of rifles. They
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Speaker 2: walked onto a bridge an allegedly open fire on a
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Speaker 2: Jewish crowd peacefully celebrating Huneker. Fifteen people died, including a
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Speaker 2: young girl six weeks ago, and Lee's in his divisive
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Speaker 2: mob think it's acceptable when Sydney's Jewish community are gathered
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Speaker 2: down the road to mourn those dead, innocent people with
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Speaker 2: the Israeli president Isaac Hertzog.
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Speaker 1: Police last night did their job.
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Speaker 2: If a few protesters got a punch in the kidneys
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Speaker 2: or pushed over or pepper sprayed, bad luck. Let's head
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Speaker 2: to Cameron now for tonight's political headlines, which got one
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Speaker 2: News political reporter Rubenspago.
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Speaker 7: There are growing calls for Grace Tame to be stripped
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Speaker 7: of her Australian of the Year title following remarks she
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Speaker 7: made at a rally she attended a demonstration against the
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Speaker 7: visit to Australia by Israel's President Isaac Hertzog.
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Speaker 4: From Dado to Nada gloneline.
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Speaker 8: The form of her words if it's followed through brings
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Speaker 8: about the death of people.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister was asked whether he would condemn the comments.
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Speaker 9: We need to not continually look for political opportunities from
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Speaker 9: what is a devastating situation, or we need to turn
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Speaker 9: the temperature down.
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Speaker 7: Israel's president met Jewish Australian students at a Sydney school
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Speaker 7: as part of his four day tour. The joyful visit
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Speaker 7: was in stark contrast to scenes of police and protests
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Speaker 7: violently clashing in the city overnight. Authority say there will
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Speaker 7: be a significant police presidence in Canberra tomorrow ahead of
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Speaker 7: expected demonstrations coinciding with the President's visit. Angus Taylor is
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Speaker 7: expected to step down from the Liberal front bench tomorrow,
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Speaker 7: a move likely to set in motion a leadership challenge.
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Speaker 7: Quitting on Wednesday would allow time to call a special
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Speaker 7: party room meeting on Friday.
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Speaker 10: If Angus wants to be leader of the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 10: he should stand up and say so and say why,
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Speaker 10: which is exactly what I did in the Senate courtyard
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Speaker 10: nearly eleven years ago.
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Speaker 7: Susan Lee has no intention of resigning or spilling the
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Speaker 7: leadership herself.
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Speaker 1: Ruben, thanks for that now.
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Speaker 2: Sticking with those ugly protests across Sydney and Melbourne. Not
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Speaker 2: to forget, and there were protests in other regional sounds
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Speaker 2: and Capital cities yesterday. Let's bring in Robert Gregory from
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Speaker 2: the Australian Jewish Association. Robert, good to see you again.
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Speaker 2: I presume you were at the event in Sydney last
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Speaker 2: night in the convention Center where the Israeli president was
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Speaker 2: How did you feel about the fact that, you know,
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Speaker 2: not even a kilometer or away down the road outside
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Speaker 2: Sydney Town Hall, you had these people, not six weeks
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Speaker 2: after the Bondai massacre, protesting in the way they did.
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Speaker 11: I just can't believe we're seeing these images that we're
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Speaker 11: talking about, these images a former Australian of the Year,
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Speaker 11: labor MPs taking part in what can only be described
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Speaker 11: as a hate fest. Hearing those Inti Fighter chance, I mean,
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Speaker 11: any Jewish person, any person who knows world events, knows
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Speaker 11: the Intifighter was a period of suicide bombing, stabbing, shooting
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Speaker 11: attacks against Jews and that people would call to globalize
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Speaker 11: it to bring it here. I mean, we already saw
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Speaker 11: Australia's own Inti Fighter a Bondai beach and the Jewish
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Speaker 11: community is reeling. As you said, it's just six weeks after.
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Speaker 11: The community is in shock. So to see those scenes
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Speaker 11: we saw, I noticed there was flags of the Islamic
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Speaker 11: Republic of Iran being waived. This is a regime that's
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Speaker 11: just carried out the massacre of tens of thousands of people.
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Speaker 11: So you can't say these protesters were protesting for peace.
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Speaker 11: They certainly weren't peaceful and it's just shocking for the
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Speaker 11: Jewish community and the whole city of Sydney.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of a former Australian of the
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Speaker 2: Year Grace Tame talking about in Fatata?
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Speaker 1: Shocked by her remarks.
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Speaker 11: Look, she may have achieved a lot in other fields,
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Speaker 11: but the role of Australian of the Year is a
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Speaker 11: role that should be uniting people, bringing them together, not
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Speaker 11: leaving minority groups fearful for their lives that thinking that,
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Speaker 11: you know, this prominent Australian is supporting attacks against them.
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Speaker 1: So it's shocking.
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Speaker 11: I personally think she should handback the honor or should
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Speaker 11: even potentially be stripped of it if she's not up
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Speaker 11: to the job of uniting us as a country.
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Speaker 2: Robert Eyes saw that at the end of the function
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Speaker 2: last night, the Israeli president, the police officer who took
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Speaker 2: to the stage and asked you all to stay within
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Speaker 2: the venue because he didn't want you to coincide with
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Speaker 2: the exit from town Hall. Of the protests that wasn't
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Speaker 2: received particularly well. Explain the reaction there for me if
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Speaker 2: you can.
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Speaker 11: Well, the Jewish community has been feeling like police should
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Speaker 11: have stepped up for the last couple of years. I
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Speaker 11: think some of the scenes we saw last night, there'd
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Speaker 11: be people in the Jewish community saying that now the
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Speaker 11: police have stepped up. But what we saw on the
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Speaker 11: eighth of October at the Sydney Opera House, those ugly scenes.
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Speaker 11: Since then, I think the communities felt that sometimes everyone
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Speaker 11: else except the Jewish community has been taken care of.
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Speaker 11: So when people heard that a protest that wasn't supposed
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Speaker 11: to happen, that police didn't want to happen, that still
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Speaker 11: went ahead. That because of that, now thousands of people
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Speaker 11: doing the right thing were being confined to the building.
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Speaker 11: I think there was a bit of anger that this
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Speaker 11: was allowed to happen, and that perhaps it should have
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Speaker 11: been cleaned up even sooner because it was not a
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Speaker 11: permitted protest.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister in question time today Roberts said that
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Speaker 2: we need to lower the temperature, and he was speaking
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Speaker 2: to all Australians.
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Speaker 1: I guess.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's all well and good, but we've endured these
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Speaker 2: protests ever since the day after October seven. Every weekend
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Speaker 2: in all the cities around Australia, these people are out
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Speaker 2: there waving Palestinian flags and carrying baby dolls with blood
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Speaker 2: spattered over them. No one actually talks about the fact
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Speaker 2: that what happened on October seven was innocent Israelis was
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Speaker 2: slaughtered by Hamas terrorist group.
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Speaker 1: How long is this going to go on? For one?
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Speaker 11: What the Prime Minister saying, it sounds right in words,
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Speaker 11: we certainly do need to lower the temperature, but he's
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Speaker 11: directing it at all the wrong places. We've seen from
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Speaker 11: some of the teals some disgusting comments, some of them
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Speaker 11: you just raised Zali Steggle seeming to defend or not
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Speaker 11: be shocked by the remarks we heard from Grace Team
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Speaker 11: calling for anti fighter. We've also seen Sophie Scamps just
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Speaker 11: yesterday calling for sanctions against Israel, the world's only Jewish states.
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Speaker 11: So we do see a lot of people that are
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Speaker 11: inflaming the tensions. Obviously the Greens that goes without mentioned,
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Speaker 11: and even some people within the Labor Party. So we
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Speaker 11: had Labor MPs March yesterday in this horrible I don't
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Speaker 11: know what to call it riot protest, and they're not
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Speaker 11: being punished, they're not being disciplined. So yes, tensions do
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Speaker 11: need to be lowered, but I think the Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: needs to look perhaps in his own backyard as to
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Speaker 11: where these tensions are being inflamed from.
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Speaker 2: On a positive note, what is it meant to your
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Speaker 2: community to have the president here.
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Speaker 11: It's meant a lot knowing that someone on the other
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Speaker 11: side of the world has cared enough about what happened
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Speaker 11: and has come and showed and concern. It's similar to
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Speaker 11: what happened in Israel after October seven. Many world leaders,
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Speaker 11: Joe Biden, the leaders of Britain and France, unfortunately not
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Speaker 11: Anthony Albanezi came to Israel to show support. So it's
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Speaker 11: been important to see that and it strengthened the commune.
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Speaker 11: It's not the same as having a member of the
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Speaker 11: government visit. As you said, the President Israel as a
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Speaker 11: symbolic role. He's similar to the Australian governor general. So
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Speaker 11: I think the community does want to see more engagement
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Speaker 11: between the Israeli government and the Australian government. We've always
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Speaker 11: had a great relationship. By lateral relationship, there's a lot
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Speaker 11: Israel could do to help Australia in the areas of defense,
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Speaker 11: in the areas of cyber so I think it would
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Speaker 11: be appropriate for the Australian government to invite someone from
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Speaker 11: the Israeli government and perhaps try and repair that relationship
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Speaker 11: which has been in tatters ever since the election of
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Speaker 11: the Albaneze government.
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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see if that ever happens. Robert Gregory,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us. Let's go back
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Speaker 2: to Camberra now. It looks like Liberal leader Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: is not going to go down without a fight. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 2: what has she got to lose when you look at
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Speaker 2: those poll numbers that were in News poll this week,
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Speaker 2: and as came Reden reported earlier, Victorian Senator Jane Hume
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Speaker 2: stood up apparently in the party meeting this morning and basically.
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Speaker 1: Said, well, what are you going to do?
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure anyone really cares about failed Liberal leader
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnmbul and what he thinks, but he's issued a
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Speaker 2: warning about a lurch to the right typical Malcolm Sky.
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Speaker 2: News particulated Andrew Clenell has been all across this all day, Andrew,
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Speaker 2: You've seen plenty of these challenges. It appears that she's
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Speaker 2: going to just say, look, if you don't want me,
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Speaker 2: you've got to blast me out of here.
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Speaker 12: Correct, cheers, And that's what's going to happen, is my prediction.
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Speaker 12: Look what never comes easily these sorts of things because
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Speaker 12: people start worrying about what positions are going to get
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Speaker 12: if they do role later. But look only percent the polls.
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Speaker 12: If you can't get up now, Angus Taylor Mayes will
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Speaker 12: give it away.
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Speaker 2: But how difficult is that negotiation you're going to be
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Speaker 2: between the moderates and the right. I mean, you know
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Speaker 2: there's not a lot of love loss between between the
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Speaker 2: two of them, and Angus Taylor's got to repair that somehow.
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Speaker 2: So is that what's going on now? Horse trading on
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Speaker 2: which moderate gets which job?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean it was interesting and
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Speaker 12: rust and the leader of the Moderates went to meet
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Speaker 12: Angus Taylor yesday. We don't know the full detail of
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Speaker 12: those discussions, but maybe she's seen the writing on the
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Speaker 12: wall and wants to make sure some moderates are protected.
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Speaker 12: She's deputy Senate leader, for example. He'd be mad not
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Speaker 12: to unite them. But all the spills I've seen over
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Speaker 12: the years, it's always the same. The people who vote
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Speaker 12: for you get rewarded, the people who don't get punished.
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Speaker 12: Never really works, you know, in this sort of scenario.
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Speaker 12: You know that can work when you're in the ascendency
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Speaker 12: and government, for example, when you've got such low poll
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Speaker 12: numbers as they've got, it's up to Angus Taylor if
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Speaker 12: he gets the job, to unite them. And then I'm
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Speaker 12: also not sure his colleagues are convinced he's the answer.
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Speaker 12: So you know already people are talking here Steve about
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Speaker 12: a scenario where he gets a go, doesn't succeed, and
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Speaker 12: by the time of the election, Andrew Hasty's leader.
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Speaker 2: That's being talked about in these corridors. Well, I saw
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Speaker 2: you yesterday. I mean you're of the view that, hey,
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Speaker 2: he would be a better choice, because what it is
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Speaker 2: is a major change. I mean, Angus Taylor is not
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Speaker 2: that different to Susan Lee. He's been around a long time.
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Speaker 2: Labor loved to bait him in question time. They talk
17:15
Speaker 2: about his time as shadow Treasurer. They talk about his
17:17
Speaker 2: time when he was an Energy Minister and the Electrical
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Speaker 2: prices and energy prices that he hid. I mean, he's
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Speaker 2: an easy target for labor if he gets the job.
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Speaker 2: Haste is not that's right.
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Speaker 12: I think that's exactly right, although they'll probably dig up
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Speaker 12: some controversial comments he's made in the past. They've already
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Speaker 12: had a crack at him for some of his views
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Speaker 12: on abortion, etc. So they'll be trying to target him
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Speaker 12: in terms of the female vote. But I do think
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Speaker 12: a ticket like Hasty and Zoe McKenzie could work. I'm
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Speaker 12: not saying it would work because we saw Mark Latham
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Speaker 12: was well ahead of John Howard at one point. You know,
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Speaker 12: there's that sort of fresh, younger face initially and then
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Speaker 12: they're inexperience they get defeated the more experienced opponent, so
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Speaker 12: that there's a fair chance that would happen. But things
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Speaker 12: are so low for the Liberal Party that they need
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Speaker 12: to not even think about winning the next election. They
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Speaker 12: need to get all that one nation vote back. And
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Speaker 12: I ask you who's going to appeal to younger voters.
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Speaker 12: I believe a lot of younger voters, conservatively minded, are
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Speaker 12: going to one nation. I think this is a big problem,
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Speaker 12: and I think someone a bit more fresh faced might
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Speaker 12: be able to lure them back quicker and just get
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Speaker 12: the coalition back as the proper opposition party.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and his military career is a big bonus for him.
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Speaker 2: I want to just talk about the protests. Question time today,
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Speaker 2: I saw that Green's MP Elizabeth Watson Brown I nearly
18:41
Speaker 2: threw a brick through the television. Here's the question she
18:45
Speaker 2: asked the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 13: Question to the Prime Minister in response to President Hertzog's visit,
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Speaker 13: who was found by a UN commission to have incited genocide.
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Speaker 13: Peaceful protesters were last night subjected to horrific brutality by
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Speaker 13: the New South Wales police. Your invitation has fundamentally undermined
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Speaker 13: unity and social cohesion in this country. Will you condemn
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Speaker 13: this police violence and at the very least send President
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Speaker 13: Hertzog home?
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Speaker 2: Question full of inaccuracies and exaggeration talking about brutality. I
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Speaker 2: thought the Prime Minister handled the response to that question
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Speaker 2: and the earlier response from him about turning down the temperature.
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Speaker 2: I thought he handed that pretty well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did.
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Speaker 14: He did.
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Speaker 12: He didn't really condemn grace Tame though, and I found
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Speaker 12: that quite interesting. When she's upset there saying globalize the Endofada,
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Speaker 12: but I thought it was one of his better performances.
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Speaker 12: In answer to that question, when he spoke about, you know,
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Speaker 12: the need to respect the president was here to meet
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Speaker 12: grieving relatives after a terrorist attack, and that he was
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Speaker 12: devastated by the scenes on the street of Sydney streets
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Speaker 12: of Sydney. I know that he's of the belief that,
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Speaker 12: you know, a lot of these people stirring up this
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Speaker 12: protest stuff. They're not people who I don't know come
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Speaker 12: from the Middle East, how from the Middle East. They
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Speaker 12: are people who come from sort of the socialist Trotsky
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Speaker 12: type movement, and he's seen them protest outside his office.
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Speaker 12: So you know, I know Alberanezi doesn't like this. I
20:18
Speaker 12: know that he treads carefully about this because he perceives
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Speaker 12: a lot of labor voters to be sympathetic to the
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Speaker 12: Palestinian cause. Chris Mins, who also knows labor voters are
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Speaker 12: similar to that cause, is a bit more cuts through
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Speaker 12: a bit more on it and say says, look at
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Speaker 12: this terrible terror attack, that's got to be the priority.
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Speaker 12: But I think that Albanesi, the more he performs like that,
20:42
Speaker 12: I think the better I he'll go. Frankly, you know,
20:45
Speaker 12: like doing the Royal Commission. He got dragged to it,
20:48
Speaker 12: but once he's done it, it's really important to do sometimes.
20:51
Speaker 12: And I think Chris Mins is actually quite brilliant at this.
20:54
Speaker 12: You've got to own some of the mistakes, not be
20:56
Speaker 12: ashamed of them, and I think voters really appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 12: I think that's the model of political leadership that we're
21:04
Speaker 12: looking for.
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you the number of Liberal supporters that
21:09
Speaker 2: I know who've come up to me and said, well,
21:11
Speaker 2: haven't we got Chris Mins or Malanascus from South Australia
21:15
Speaker 2: running the country. Happens every day, not gonna happen, I'll.
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Speaker 12: Tell you that's what people party will be even more trouble,
21:24
Speaker 12: wouldn't they.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 12: Look in fairness to albern Easy, it's a different job.
21:29
Speaker 12: It's a bigger canvas.
21:31
Speaker 1: You know.
21:32
Speaker 12: You have a tough of journeys here. You have more
21:35
Speaker 12: journals here than a state press gallery. So you never
21:37
Speaker 12: can judge if the state guys will work here. But
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Speaker 12: you have to say Min's is doing a pretty good job.
21:42
Speaker 12: It's certainly in terms of his public performances at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Andrew look forward to your coverage of the Susan Lee execution,
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Speaker 2: which is obviously going to happen sometime this week. I'm
21:52
Speaker 2: on air on Friday. It might just drop in my lap.
21:54
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, mate, I think it will.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: After the break, we're going to take you to London
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Speaker 2: for the latest time. Two crisis over there, once for
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Speaker 2: the Royal Family, which has put out an extraordinary statement
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Speaker 2: saying it stands ready to assist police over explosive allegations involving,
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Speaker 2: of course Andrew mount Batton Windsor, plus a Keir Starmer,
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Speaker 2: I mean, the PM of Britain.
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Speaker 1: Can he hold on to the top job? That's up next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price in for Peter Tonight. Now
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Speaker 2: up soon more on that federal government's appalling decision to
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Speaker 2: sell off prime defense real estate right around the country.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that and find out why that's happening.
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Speaker 2: But I want to go to London where Buckingham Palace
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Speaker 2: today has released a statement declaring that the Royal Family
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Speaker 2: stands ready to assist police following more allegations involving Andrew
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Speaker 2: mount Batton Windsor. Join this Sky News Contributed News Corps
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Speaker 2: Australia's European correspondent, Sophie Elsworth. Sophie, you don't often see
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Speaker 2: statements like that from the Royal family.
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Speaker 6: Do you.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely not, Steve.
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Speaker 15: This was quite an extraordinary statement that dropped to last
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Speaker 15: night about six pm local time, and one that's very
23:08
Speaker 15: unprecedented by Buckingham Palace to really weigh in so specifically
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Speaker 15: on these allegations leveled against Andrew mount Batten Windsor. Now
23:18
Speaker 15: we know that the bad headlines Steve just keep on
23:21
Speaker 15: coming in relation to his connections to a US pedofield financier,
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Speaker 15: Jeffrey Epstein. And just on the front of the Sun
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Speaker 15: here is Steve this morning the front page here, King
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Speaker 15: will help the cops on Andy.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is just extraordinary stuff.
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Speaker 15: And then on the front of the Daily Mail, King's
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Speaker 15: profound concern over Andrew claims as Palace ready to work
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Speaker 15: with police. This is a scandal that is gripping the
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Speaker 15: Royal family, Steve, and one that they are really hoping
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Speaker 15: would subside.
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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 15: But now we're hearing allegations that he leaked sensitive govern
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Speaker 15: information when he was.
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Speaker 4: US envoy to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 15: So this scandal is only just heating up here in
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Speaker 15: the UK and incredibly concerning for the Royal family.
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Speaker 1: Just on the logistics of it.
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Speaker 2: To Sophie, the Thames Valley Police, they're going to look
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Speaker 2: into the allegations about what you just mentioned, the confidential
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Speaker 2: documents being shared with Epstein, So that's a breach of
24:24
Speaker 2: his role in that role, and that's a side issue
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Speaker 2: to all of the sexual activity that he was alleged
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Speaker 2: to be up to. Can he be in trouble from
24:35
Speaker 2: a criminal point of view over the trade envoy suggestion
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Speaker 2: that he was leaking.
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Speaker 4: Stuff, Absolutely he can, Steve.
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Speaker 15: These are very serious allegations. But we must remind you
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Speaker 15: as today there has been no criminal charges against Andrew
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Speaker 15: mount Batton Windsor, and he's always stressed no wrongdoing from
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Speaker 15: his end in relationship into anything relating to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 15: But the police, as the King has said, if the
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Speaker 15: police come to Buckingham Palace, will come to King Charles
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Speaker 15: himself in relation to his disgrace brother. He will cooperate
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Speaker 15: with any investigation as we would expect.
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Speaker 7: But this is just.
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Speaker 4: Extraordinary, Steve.
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Speaker 15: This is an unprecedented crisis for the Royal family and
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Speaker 15: one that they're saying has not been since the abdication
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Speaker 15: in the nineteen thirties.
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Speaker 4: It's that big.
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Speaker 15: So it's undoubtedly something that will continue to dominate the
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Speaker 15: headlines here in the UK.
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Speaker 2: As we know with the Royals, Sophie, I mean, they're
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Speaker 2: very conscious of their public image. How much damage did
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Speaker 2: that heckling do when the King was on a walk
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Speaker 2: about during the week where some bloke in the crowd,
25:47
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure the crowd were very happy about it,
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Speaker 2: started shouting out how long did you know about what
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Speaker 2: Andrew was up to, your Highness. I mean, that's such
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Speaker 2: a bad look.
25:55
Speaker 1: I wonder if.
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Speaker 2: That's prompted this statement that was released, as you said yesterday.
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Speaker 15: Look, Steve, I don't think it's one heckler at an
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Speaker 15: event that is going to put Buckingham to Palace into
26:08
Speaker 15: a tailspin and release such an extraordinary statement. But there
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Speaker 15: is no doubt there is public pressure here in the
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Speaker 15: UK and around the world really for the royal family
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Speaker 15: to address these allegations leveled at Prince Andrew or former
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Speaker 15: Prince Andrew, and there is arguments that King didn't act
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Speaker 15: swiftly enough when he stripped.
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Speaker 4: Him of his titles last October.
26:30
Speaker 15: We know that Andrew has now packed his suitcases and
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Speaker 15: he's moved from Windsor estate up to Sandringham, a state.
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Speaker 4: They're trying to hide him away from the public.
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Speaker 15: Steve, but this story is certainly not being hidden away
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Speaker 15: from the public. And the journalists here are all over
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Speaker 15: this story as you would expect, and they are not
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Speaker 15: letting up on these Epstein files that just keep on coming.
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Speaker 2: Well, the tabloids will be busy because Keirs Darma's in
26:57
Speaker 2: all sorts of trouble. I knowe the Scottish la the
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Speaker 2: leader has come out and said something has to change.
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Speaker 1: Starma.
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Speaker 2: I can't support him, but his cabinet then immediately started
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Speaker 2: sending out messages saying we will support the prime ministry
27:10
Speaker 2: should be given another chance.
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Speaker 1: Is he going to survive?
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Speaker 4: Steve?
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Speaker 15: He is a man on borrowed time. His time really
27:19
Speaker 15: is up. It's just a matter of if it's this week,
27:22
Speaker 15: next week, next month, but it's soon. He won't be
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Speaker 15: Prime Minister in twenty twenty nine, which is when the
27:29
Speaker 15: next general election is scheduled. Here on the front of
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Speaker 15: the Daily Express this morning, Steve resign now pm on
27:36
Speaker 15: brink as calls to go a mount. I mean again,
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Speaker 15: he is under pressure here as much as disgraced former
27:44
Speaker 15: Royal Prince Andrew is. So the tour in pretty bad strife.
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Speaker 15: But we know yesterday that Kirs Starmer's cabinet came out
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Speaker 15: one by one within the space of an hour on
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Speaker 15: social media throwing their support by him.
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Speaker 4: But it is going to take a lot to boot
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Speaker 4: him out.
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Speaker 15: Stead they need eighty MPs labor sitting MPs to ban
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Speaker 15: together to say we want him gone, and that seems
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Speaker 15: right at this point in time. Unlikely, but there's there
28:11
Speaker 15: are local elections coming up in May. He's not expected
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Speaker 15: to do well in them, so I would expect we
28:16
Speaker 15: won't have Keir Starmer as Prime Minister for much longer
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Speaker 15: here in Britain.
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Speaker 2: Never a dull moment, Sophie, thanks, I'll catch up with
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Speaker 2: you shortly. I want to go now to that fallout
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Speaker 2: from the federal governments announcement. It sort of came out
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Speaker 2: of the blue that it's going to sell off defense
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Speaker 2: sites right across Australa. Now, critics said the move is
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Speaker 2: short sighted and assets sell off of that size weakends
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Speaker 2: defense capability. Join us on that, and you think you know,
28:41
Speaker 2: given the debt that we've got, this stuff would be
28:43
Speaker 2: pretty much a drop in the ocean. Former Army Director General,
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Speaker 2: retired Brigadier Ian Langford joins us he and am I
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Speaker 2: right that this has sort of emerged all of a
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Speaker 2: sudden out of nowhere, and is it really going to
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Speaker 2: make such a huge difference to the bottom line of
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Speaker 2: the budget?
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Speaker 16: Thanks du great to be here. I mean, you're right
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Speaker 16: to suggest that this report was announced as a surprise
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Speaker 16: to many. He had sat on the minister's desk for
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Speaker 16: about twelve months. But the sixty eight defense sites that
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Speaker 16: have been ear marked for disposal really amount to a
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Speaker 16: transaction in and around one point eight billion when it
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Speaker 16: gets realized in the mid to late twenty thirties. That
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Speaker 16: won't necessarily transact into the capability uplift that it's promised
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Speaker 16: to do. In the short term, it won't buy a
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Speaker 16: single missile, It won't give us any additional defense capacity.
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Speaker 16: And of those sixty eight sites, no one would argue
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Speaker 16: that defense isn't in total to modernize its infrastructure to
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Speaker 16: be efficient and affordable. But the argument around capability and
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Speaker 16: the potential cost as it relates to some of those
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Speaker 16: more controversial sites, Victoria Barracks in Paddington, Sydney being the
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Speaker 16: most obvious example, risks doing more harm than good. I
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Speaker 16: also wonder aloud as the announcement coincide with the Housing
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Speaker 16: summit here in Sydney, as to whether or not this initiative,
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Speaker 16: in particular as it relates to Victoria Barracks is a
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Speaker 16: proxy as it relates to the government's housing policy and
30:11
Speaker 16: its success or failure in that regard as well. So
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Speaker 16: no one doubts the need to update the estate. Everyone
30:17
Speaker 16: expects that to occur as an ongoing activity. No one
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Speaker 16: suspects for a minute that this will translate into military
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Speaker 16: capability anytime soon. You don't fund the defense budget by
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Speaker 16: flogging off its property. And there is suspicion around housing
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Speaker 16: policy and the perception of be doing something as it
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Speaker 16: relates to the Paddington site Victoria Barracks here in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Ian. I mean the government needs to come clean and
30:42
Speaker 2: be honest about this. I mean when you talk about
30:45
Speaker 2: you know, I know that Paddington site really well, I
30:47
Speaker 2: mean that's multi billion dollar real estate there. The other
30:51
Speaker 2: Victoria Barracks in Sint Kilda Road, you'd know well as well,
30:54
Speaker 2: but they're kidding themselves if they think that anyone's going
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Speaker 2: to buy a build affordable for the people who can't
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Speaker 2: get into housing now in those two locations, I mean,
31:05
Speaker 2: if a developer buys either of those sites, they're going
31:08
Speaker 2: to be building multi million dollar apartments. They're not going
31:11
Speaker 2: to be building places for people on the cheap.
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Speaker 16: Well, that's right. I mean, the commercial reality suggests that
31:18
Speaker 16: it will be challenging for any developer to turn the site,
31:22
Speaker 16: particularly in Sydney, but also true of Saint Cula Road
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Speaker 16: in Melbourne into a profit making activity. Nine hundred million
31:29
Speaker 16: is the mooted sale price, if you like, of the
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Speaker 16: Paddington site. That's half of the one point eight billion
31:34
Speaker 16: that's expected to be gained from the disposal of all
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Speaker 16: sixty eight sites, which makes Victoria Barracks Paddington central to
31:42
Speaker 16: a transaction that has a cost in the billions. The
31:47
Speaker 16: likelihood of being able to rehabilitate that site, remove asbestos,
31:51
Speaker 16: remove lead and have it ready for developers to then
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Speaker 16: develop in the housing in terms of profitability is a challenge,
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Speaker 16: and of course the reality is in that part of Sydney,
32:02
Speaker 16: the risk is that that site is not preserved for
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Speaker 16: its heritage significance, but rather turns into an enclove for
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Speaker 16: the uber rich in eastern Sydney and again does nothing
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Speaker 16: to either defense capability or housing policy across this nation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we all drive around our capital cities and
32:21
Speaker 2: you and I could probably point out a couple of old,
32:24
Speaker 2: weary defense facilities that look like they're built out of
32:29
Speaker 2: the old asbestos and they were thrown up probably just
32:33
Speaker 2: after World War II in the nineteen fifties. I mean,
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Speaker 2: and those blocks of land. Maybe you could make that argument,
32:38
Speaker 2: but the historical significance of Saint Kilda Road and Paddington
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Speaker 2: just can't be ignored and not even talked about because
32:48
Speaker 2: there's a hole in the budget.
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Speaker 16: That's right. I mean, Australia doesn't lack heritage, it lacks
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Speaker 16: memory and when we dispose of sites include both Victoria
32:58
Speaker 16: Barracks in Paddington's and Cuta in Melbourne, we risk that.
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Speaker 16: I mean, there are great heroes in civic life here
33:05
Speaker 16: in Sydney. Jack Mundy and Tom Youren are the two
33:08
Speaker 16: that come most easily to mind. Tommy You're in a
33:10
Speaker 16: great labor hero, famous for sort of suggesting that cities
33:14
Speaker 16: are judged on what they save rather than what they lose.
33:18
Speaker 16: And when it comes to the Home of the Army
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Speaker 16: built in eighteen forty by convicts and then was the
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Speaker 16: launchpad really for Australia's major military campaigns across the twentieth century.
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Speaker 16: To forego that memory, to be able to quickly devolve
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Speaker 16: the significance of that site into nothing more than a
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Speaker 16: property transaction to property developers, I think is harmful again
33:42
Speaker 16: to collective memory, especially a time when national unity and
33:45
Speaker 16: social fabric is so important. To remember where we come from,
33:49
Speaker 16: to remember the important contribution of civic life that cites
33:52
Speaker 16: such as these make, and to make them accessible not
33:54
Speaker 16: only in the context of their current function but also
33:57
Speaker 16: for future generations is really important. I think, just quickly,
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Speaker 16: as it relates to those two sites, there would be
34:03
Speaker 16: much more benefit in a transfer to the heritage or
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Speaker 16: National Trust than flogging it to property developers. And I
34:10
Speaker 16: think that's where a lot of the emotion comes into
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Speaker 16: this debate as it relates to the future of that site.
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Speaker 2: Or at least the debate's up and running in and I
34:18
Speaker 2: think it's going to be one that's going to be
34:19
Speaker 2: well argued. Thank you very much for that Ian Langford there,
34:22
Speaker 2: and you know these sites. I know the Americans ran
34:25
Speaker 2: the wars at World War two Pacific Campaign out of Brisbane.
34:28
Speaker 2: In Victoria here, the Americans ran the Second World War
34:31
Speaker 2: out of there as well. I mean, you can't just
34:33
Speaker 2: bulldoze those things and put up a block of flats. Now,
34:37
Speaker 2: after the break, the alarming spike in retail theft right
34:39
Speaker 2: across Victoria and what impact it's actually having on the sector.
34:43
Speaker 2: Plus major retailers are making the switch to intelligent surveillance
34:47
Speaker 2: systems to beat the crooks, but.
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Speaker 1: At what costs? That's next welcome back.
34:56
Speaker 2: I have some more on those protests shortly, but on
34:58
Speaker 2: a change tech. There's new data out that shoes, retail
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Speaker 2: crime threats and weapon incidents have surged across the country
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, but especially in the state of Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Now I've told you before one of my local bottle
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Speaker 2: shops is forced to lock its front door because of
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Speaker 2: repeated snatch and grab robberies. Repeat offenders are caught on CCTV,
35:17
Speaker 2: but nothing happens. It's the kind of repeated crime I
35:20
Speaker 2: thought I never would witness in Australia, but it's happening
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Speaker 2: all the time. The spike apparently fueled by repeat offenders
35:27
Speaker 2: and organized gangs, with retailers pushing for tougher laws technology
35:31
Speaker 2: like facial recognition to protect their staff as they should now.
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Speaker 2: The retailer Giant Bunnings Group has in the past released
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Speaker 2: horrific vision of their staff, and their staff are fantastic
35:43
Speaker 2: being abused verbally and physically assaulted, which is just shocking.
35:47
Speaker 2: Managing director Michael Schneider joins us in the studio. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this latest data, I think it's from a company called
35:53
Speaker 2: a Raw shows the sector suffered a twenty six percent
35:57
Speaker 2: jump in threatening behavior compared to twenty twenty four. Store
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Speaker 2: violence up seventeen percent, use of weapons up ten percent.
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Speaker 2: Your people don't deserve.
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Speaker 10: That, no, absolutely, And look, we employ six generations of
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Speaker 10: people in the workforce. Our youngest team members are school kids.
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Speaker 10: Oldest team members in their eighties and nineties, and the
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Speaker 10: things that they're facing every day are just terrific.
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Speaker 14: As you say, Steve, you've had.
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Speaker 1: To spend an extraordinary amount of money just on security.
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Speaker 10: How much have you spent in Victoria in Victoria alone,
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Speaker 10: you know, in the first half of the financial year
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Speaker 10: it was close to half a million dollars a month.
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Speaker 1: A month a month on what guards.
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Speaker 10: Guards, security guards, tactical security guards, so people that can
36:36
Speaker 10: intervening situations in a safe and product proactive way to
36:39
Speaker 10: keep team members, customers and our supplies team members safe
36:42
Speaker 10: as well.
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Speaker 2: So I mentioned there the smaller retailers like the bottle shops,
36:47
Speaker 2: their staff are told not to intervene.
36:49
Speaker 1: What's the Bunning's policy on that.
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Speaker 10: It's exactly the same, and I think it's the same
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Speaker 10: across all retail sectors. You know, we know the risks
36:55
Speaker 10: that happen from offenders that are armed, offenders that are
36:58
Speaker 10: abusing substances too much risk. So we want team members
37:02
Speaker 10: to step back observe so they can be a great witness.
37:04
Speaker 10: And that's what we train our team and I know
37:06
Speaker 10: most retailers do as well.
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Speaker 1: So that must be difficult for some of your staff members.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the in natural reaction.
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Speaker 2: Is to if somebody is there clearly stealing expensive power
37:17
Speaker 2: tool or something which I presumer targeted or a lot
37:19
Speaker 2: of absolutely your natural reaction would be to intervene.
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Speaker 14: It certainly is.
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Speaker 10: And look, you know, we always try to sort of
37:27
Speaker 10: outserve the customer to make sure that they know that
37:29
Speaker 10: we're aware of the situation, but as soon as that
37:31
Speaker 10: situation escalates, and you talked about some of the sort
37:34
Speaker 10: of lifts on previous years and those numbers have continued
37:36
Speaker 10: to lift into the financial year that we're in.
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Speaker 14: At the moment, the team no to step back.
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Speaker 10: The team know to rely on other things like their
37:42
Speaker 10: body worn cameras or CCTV to help identify and provide
37:46
Speaker 10: police with information.
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Speaker 2: Australia that you and I grew up in where retail
37:49
Speaker 2: staff working in a giant hardware store, after where body
37:54
Speaker 2: cameras look.
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Speaker 10: We want an environment where everyone feels safe, our team members,
37:57
Speaker 10: our customers, community groups, our suppliers team and I think
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Speaker 10: that's what everyone knows and understands. But this isn't just
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Speaker 10: a Bunning's problem, of course, Steve. This is industry wide.
38:05
Speaker 10: It's fast service restaurants, its department stores, it's government officers.
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Speaker 14: These issues, you know, continue to escalate.
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Speaker 10: And that's why we are calling for ongoing changes to
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Speaker 10: legislation to make it safe for our teams, and the
38:17
Speaker 10: use of tools like facial recognition technology to actually help
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Speaker 10: identify and deal with these offenders and actually de escalate situations.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that in a sect the
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Speaker 2: facial recognition you're based personally in Victoria. Is Victoria worse
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Speaker 2: than any other state?
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Speaker 10: The stats tell us that it's different in Victoria. The
38:35
Speaker 10: numbers are higher and have been higher for some time.
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Speaker 10: We have welcomed the government's changes to legislation that were
38:41
Speaker 10: brought into effect late last year, but our calling on
38:43
Speaker 10: the government to introduce workplace protection orders like what exists
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Speaker 10: in the Act, which are really a court enforceable way.
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Speaker 14: Of barring people from our store environment.
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Speaker 1: So reach the facial recognition. I don't have a problem
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Speaker 1: with it at all.
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Speaker 2: If you're not doing something wrong, why would you care
39:00
Speaker 2: if someone was taking a picture of your face? But
39:03
Speaker 2: there are privacy issues that you've had to deal with.
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Speaker 2: I think it went all the way to the Federal Core,
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Speaker 2: to the High.
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Speaker 10: Court, went to the Administrative Review Tribunal and they found
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Speaker 10: last week that you know, the use of it, the
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Speaker 10: reasons for us.
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Speaker 14: Using it were lawful. We're pleased without finding.
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Speaker 10: We're going to work now to understand what the latest
39:20
Speaker 10: technology looks like because we haven't had this technology available.
39:24
Speaker 14: For a number of years. Now.
39:25
Speaker 10: It will be expensive, but the juice is going to
39:27
Speaker 10: be worth a squeeze here, because we know from the
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Speaker 10: data that use of facial recognition technology does help to
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Speaker 10: lower incidents, and I think it's becoming more commonplace. You know,
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Speaker 10: you see it in some license facilities. I know it
39:38
Speaker 10: was used at the Australian Open recently as well. So
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Speaker 10: we think that using it responsibly, making sure people are
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Speaker 10: aware that it's.
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Speaker 14: Being used, and really reassuring.
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Speaker 10: People like you and I, who, as you say, have
39:47
Speaker 10: got nothing to hide that our data isn't being captured
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Speaker 10: and stored for some other use, is really important.
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Speaker 2: Is it sophisticated enough. I mean, you don't need to
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Speaker 2: give it away any of this information if it's confidential.
39:58
Speaker 2: But is it sophisticated enough. A bloke who three Bunning
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Speaker 2: stores away stole a chainsaw a month ago, turns up
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Speaker 2: at the store around the corner. Does the camera tell
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Speaker 2: you that this is that blow?
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Speaker 14: The camera?
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Speaker 10: The camera will tell us if it's you, if you're
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Speaker 10: on a registered database, which is information that's provided by
40:17
Speaker 10: our own security team law enforcement.
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Speaker 14: And these are people who've.
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Speaker 10: Been caught, prosecuted, often incarcerated, who are back out doing
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Speaker 10: these things. We want to make sure that those people
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Speaker 10: aren't coming back into our store, and we don't make
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Speaker 10: any apology for that. But for someone who maybe pinched
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Speaker 10: the packet of batteries or something like that, that's not what.
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Speaker 14: This is about.
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Speaker 10: This is about attempting to really sort of lean into
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Speaker 10: organized crime, violent and aggressive behavior and threatening situations for
40:42
Speaker 10: our team.
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Speaker 2: Gratulations. By the way, I'm employing older astralants too. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think that's a fantastic.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Look, it's almost thirty percent of our workforces aged over fifty,
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Speaker 10: So nah's so good.
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Speaker 14: They're amazing. They're absolutely amazing.
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Speaker 1: Mark Schnider, thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 14: Thanks Steve.
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Speaker 1: Still coming.
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Speaker 2: We'll dive into the latest on the coalition crisis and Canadra.
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Speaker 1: There'll be development see tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not a matter of if, but when
41:06
Speaker 2: Angus Taylor actually calls that spill motion, hopefully the start
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Speaker 2: of getting the opposition back on track.
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Speaker 1: Our Tuesday Night panel is up next. Welcome back, Peter.
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's bring in her normal Tuesday Night regulars, former
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP Nicole Flint from South Australia, and right off
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Speaker 2: for the Spectator, Terry Barnes great to see you both.
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Speaker 2: I've got to go back to these protests that we
41:30
Speaker 2: witnessed last night in Sydney. I need to get your
41:32
Speaker 2: views on what we saw in front of the town hall.
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Speaker 2: Protesters we're trying to breach police lines, Nicole. Everyone's now
41:40
Speaker 2: got a phone. They're all pretend reporters, but that then
41:44
Speaker 2: means ten second grabs get posted. Then you don't get
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Speaker 2: any context. My sympathy is with the police. What did
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Speaker 2: you make of it?
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Speaker 17: I thought it was absolutely appalling, Steve, Like, how disrespectful
41:57
Speaker 17: to all of our Jewish Australians who are in the
41:59
Speaker 17: process of still mourning the absolute tragedy we saw at
42:03
Speaker 17: Bondai on just before Christmas, and what a huge waste
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Speaker 17: of police resources. So not only did we have our
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Speaker 17: police in physical danger, we have protesters breaking the law
42:14
Speaker 17: because they weren't supposed to be protesting in that manner.
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Speaker 4: They were offered Hyde and park. They could have done
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Speaker 4: this respectfully.
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Speaker 17: What we need to see happen with these law breaking
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Speaker 17: losers is proper consequences and proper penalties. Here in South Australia,
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Speaker 17: a couple of years ago we changed our laws so
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Speaker 17: that anyone protesting especially if they're being a nuisance and
42:38
Speaker 17: putting people in danger and obstructing traffic. We passed laws
42:43
Speaker 17: so that if you are convicted, you can have you
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Speaker 17: can face up to a fifty thousand dollars fine and
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Speaker 17: three months in jail. So why aren't we seeing that
42:52
Speaker 17: in New South Wales Because my understanding is that people
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Speaker 17: charged last night approbably only facing a five hundred and
42:59
Speaker 17: fifty dollar final So obviously separate charges for assaulting police
43:04
Speaker 17: as there should be.
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Speaker 4: But enough is enough.
43:06
Speaker 17: Let's actually finally see some consequences.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good old sensible South Australia and Terry on that point,
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Speaker 2: I wanted to raise with the Premier, just Cinder Allen
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, where there's no sense in government at all.
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Speaker 2: He went out today and made some really dumb remarks
43:20
Speaker 2: about how unlike New South Wales, she doesn't need a
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Speaker 2: protest permit law in her state. She said, protests here
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Speaker 2: are more peaceful. I wonder if Justina Terry remembers this.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 18: These were being thrown at police. Bottles filled with shards
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Speaker 18: of glass were being thrown at the police. Bins were
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Speaker 18: put on fire, flags were on fire, and I think,
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Speaker 18: you know, really enough's.
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Speaker 2: Enough, Terry, that's just Cinda Allen's peaceful Victoria what a joke.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, when it comes to Victoria, Steve, I think we
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Speaker 8: needed Chris Men's to be honest with you. Whatever you
44:02
Speaker 8: say about New South Wales and their labor government, the
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Speaker 8: labor government down here is much more tolerant of that
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Speaker 8: type of crap than they are. It's one of the
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Speaker 8: things I think that Chris Men's did with the backing
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Speaker 8: of New South Wales with really to Kelly Sloan, was
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Speaker 8: to toughen police powers, to give them the room to
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Speaker 8: act as they did last night, to stop that rabble.
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Speaker 8: But certainly down here, Jessidre Allan says, oh, it's all
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Speaker 8: going to be okay. The Police Commissioner Mike Bush says, oh,
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Speaker 8: We're not so sure. And when it comes to things
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Speaker 8: inflammatory things like the likes of disgrace Tame saying it
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Speaker 8: globalize the departed, it's not clear whether that could be
44:40
Speaker 8: prosecuted or not. It's just an absolute joke. I mean, yes,
44:44
Speaker 8: we did have a protest in Melbourne last night. It
44:46
Speaker 8: was largely peaceful. It was very disruptive around Flindas Street
44:49
Speaker 8: station though, But Thursday night when President Hertzog is in Melbourne.
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Speaker 8: I just think it's going to be on for young
44:56
Speaker 8: and old, and it's going to be a shame for
44:57
Speaker 8: Melbourne and a shame for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem Thursday night, it's going to be
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Speaker 2: a disaster. I want to turn our attention to the
45:04
Speaker 2: coalition if they're back together. But you sort of ask
45:08
Speaker 2: why that primary result eighteen percent primary vote. It's clear
45:13
Speaker 2: news court reporting in this doco they had today. Everyone
45:16
Speaker 2: knows is a problem, but no one seems to have
45:18
Speaker 2: a work out how to fix it. Nicole, you're a
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Speaker 2: former federal MP, you're a Liberal member.
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Speaker 1: What a mess? What would you be doing right now
45:26
Speaker 1: to turn this around?
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Speaker 17: Well, Steve, what I have been trying to do since
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Speaker 17: the day after our disastrous federal election result last year,
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Speaker 17: which was our worst result since nineteen forty three in
45:41
Speaker 17: terms of the number of seats that we held, and
45:44
Speaker 17: as we know, in nineteen forty three, the party didn't exist.
45:47
Speaker 17: The nineteen forty three election result is what encouraged Robert
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Speaker 17: Menzies to form the modern Liberal Party. So the most
45:53
Speaker 17: simple practical thing that we could do right now, and
45:56
Speaker 17: we should have been doing from day one last year
45:59
Speaker 17: is to actually put good candidates back in the field
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Speaker 17: as quickly as possible, because what we saw Tim Wilson
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Speaker 17: prove is that despite the odds, you can win a seat,
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Speaker 17: but you need to embed yourself in your local community
46:12
Speaker 17: for in Tim's case, two years at least.
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Speaker 4: So that also works.
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Speaker 17: Around all of the insanity we're seeing in Canberra where
46:23
Speaker 17: we can't seem to stop talking about ourselves. It puts
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Speaker 17: good people back on the ground to connect with their
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Speaker 17: communities because in this day and age, that's what I
46:31
Speaker 17: think communities want. They want that personal connection and they
46:35
Speaker 17: want to see that they have a hard working Liberal
46:38
Speaker 17: or National out and about every day listening to them
46:42
Speaker 17: and telling them that if they send them to Canberra,
46:45
Speaker 17: they will go and sort out the mess that we've
46:47
Speaker 17: seen unfold.
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Speaker 2: Up until recently, Victoria Terry, the Liberal Party hasn't been
46:52
Speaker 2: much better here. I mean they seem to be professional
46:55
Speaker 2: opposition members numbers are dwindling for years now. How they
46:58
Speaker 2: how the hell are they going to turn the surround?
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Speaker 8: Well, it's not just Victoria's around Australia. I think, as
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Speaker 8: Tony Abbott was pointing out, Steve and really I'm with
47:08
Speaker 8: Tony Abbott. I mean, we don't want a Liberal party
47:10
Speaker 8: that is a pale imitation of a green left Labor Party.
47:14
Speaker 8: We don't want a populist one nation party. We've got
47:17
Speaker 8: a party that believes in things and leaders who actually
47:21
Speaker 8: believe in things too. I mean, he who stands for
47:23
Speaker 8: nothing is nothing. I think part of the Liberals problem
47:25
Speaker 8: at the moment is they're perceived as standing for nothing.
47:27
Speaker 8: I'm saying that as a forty year member of the
47:29
Speaker 8: Liberal Party, but certainly, whatever happens in Canberra this week,
47:34
Speaker 8: whoever is a leader by Friday night, they have to
47:37
Speaker 8: actually say that they stand for good old fashioned liberal
47:41
Speaker 8: values in terms of personal responsibility, in terms of smaller government,
47:44
Speaker 8: lower taxation, in terms of believing in our country and
47:48
Speaker 8: believing in values that unit us all. But we don't
47:50
Speaker 8: get that from them now. If we don't get it
47:52
Speaker 8: from Angus Taylor or Susan Lee, if she survives, then
47:55
Speaker 8: I think the party is in a really bad way
47:57
Speaker 8: and I think the polls will actually in for one notion.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Clawing those numbers back from one Nation is going
48:05
Speaker 2: to be the big problem. I think Terry and Nicole,
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Speaker 2: because once you lose people like that, it's very, very
48:10
Speaker 2: difficult to get them back. Thank you both very much
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Speaker 2: for joining us. Peter, we'll be back with you next week.
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Speaker 18: Now.
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Speaker 2: We are keeping a watch on a protest in Sydney
48:18
Speaker 2: outside police headquarters. It seems to have been pretty calm
48:21
Speaker 2: so far. And tomorrow, of course, what we're going to
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Speaker 2: probably see is Angus Taylor is going to have to
48:28
Speaker 2: quit the front bench if he's going to put his
48:30
Speaker 2: hand up on Friday to contest the leadership. So it's
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Speaker 2: going to be a huge day, very busy day in politics.
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Speaker 2: James McPherson's up next for Andrew