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3YPC-(Jeff Hafley Hired) Episode 8.549 · 3 Yards Per Carry - Miami Dolphins

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Three Yards Perkati, a podcast covering the Miami Dolphins and the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, here's your host, Chris, Alf, and Simon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're on, and this is Three Yards Perkari.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris Coffman is not here, but Simon Clancy is Chris Coffman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say he's on assignment, but I think he's just at work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's pretty busy today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, if there was anybody that should have been drunk, it'd be me and trust me people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to ignore the game that happened last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I was going to wear some best in the ibes head on the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Had they won last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe next year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you want to interact and if you want to give me shit for the hurricanes losing last night, you can go on our discord and join our discord.
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[SPEAKER_02]: only fins and you have to join on a desktop because you'll save on all of the Apple upcharges.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll access 499 a month.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go and do it and speak of the devil and he shall appear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: been called worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, that was a, that's very stealthy of you, Chris, because you didn't say anything in our, in a group chat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was already giving excuses for why you weren't going to be on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're broke at a bomb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm drinking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you are here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, you're doing something on
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tell the people, tell our listeners about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long-form Ryan site that's called the Low Red Zone and it's where I just write stories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First one was with a guy who's going to be drafted in April.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A slot receiver come fullback, come running back with Eli Hyden, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I did a story about my relationship with Bobby Bowden.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then yesterday I put up my top 20 players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for the draft in April, so there's all sorts of stuff there, and then we have a companion podcast where myself and Kyle Krabs are grinding the tape on Twitter, if you don't know, and if you were just tuning in and there've been under a rock for years, where we just talk all sorts of drafts yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's where you can find it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The low red zone, I think it's just cooled, I mean, I don't even know, it's there actually, where my name is like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There, if those be looking, watching on, that's where you find it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't, it's the logo.gov.substack.com, forward slash.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I put a link.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll put a link on every single one of our promos to these shows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody could just check that out and you could just click and go directly to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we're going to start with the National Championship last night and I'll go first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty simple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that the defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Miami's defense was pretty damn good last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the offense did what they did all year, which is start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: out of snail's pace, and then play pretty damn good in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three touchdowns against that defense in the second half is pretty good, but you just cannot be an unmitigated disaster in one phase of the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they go up 13 points, simply on special teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't the block punt for the touchdown or the Miss Fiel goal or the box punt that gave them a short
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not only the 13 points, they had three kick returns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kilim marrying is one of the best kick returns in all of college football and his best return was to the 28 yard line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Malachi Tony had two-point returns and his best part return was 11 yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a guy who has three touch sounds this year and like four returns, including one in the playoff against Texas A&M for 40 yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What can I say about Indiana?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're absolutely great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're the only team I've ever seen that never does anything stupid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, the only thing that they do stupid is that their high school court reg gets hit too much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing they do stupid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I found them, first of all, they're likable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not like one of these teams that are, like you look at them, you're like, fuck, we lost to these guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're extremely likable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well coached team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, what can you say about them?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're never gonna make a mistake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you go out there and you make mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you lost by six points?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Try again next year, but congratulations to Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, real kind of tight battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually thought, man, we're going to win it down the stretch when...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like there was a moment where just a key message on Rubenbain were literally just taking over the game and, you know, Mendoza couldn't get, you know, couldn't even get to the back of his drop without being here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they played, the way they played coverage in the second half was excellent in terms of just shutting down Elijah Saratm and Omar Cooper Jr and Charlie Becker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Mendoza was helped by a few quite few drops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the running backs were excellent
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the other kid I thought were outstanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And defensively, you know, just the way they attack the offensive line in terms of, you know, the slap, the way that they attack slanted, all that sort of stuff, the linebackers were great, Fisher, and Roe, whatever his name is, the guy that wore 21, and then just on the back end, just great coverage, the whole time, Diencheropon's outstanding, just two really well coach teams, and it just came down to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, at the end of the game, but it was a tough, hard-nosed physical wasn't sexy for the people that are kind of tuning in and don't really watch clothes football and don't really get it but here like, when those are going to be the number one over a peak that we like, you have this guy, you can just see like this guy sucks, this guy's me or whatever, and the nonsense people say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought he played, you know, there was one throw that, you know, he kind of telegraphed a little bit and could have been picked off in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was on the drive where he scored the, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We scored the great fourth and five round way, like the camera has everybody's sort of looking as if it's okay, I don't know, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, just a really good game fascinating national championship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My name is got loads of really good players, but it's hard to see how you're gonna replace Bain and Messadore as there's such a heartbeat of everything that the you did well last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, Carson Beck just wasn't quite good enough, but it was a great game Chris.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it was a great testament to Miami in that game overall because if we've seen anything, you know, hey Indiana Oregon was supposed to be a good game and then it turned into just a total thrashing, but Miami is as advertised there just as physical just as good defensively as advertised.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're generally smart.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They take their profits on offense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They, um, you know, and they have big playability, uh, if, you know, they hit the right crease with the right speedster.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, uh, particularly Malachi Tony, I was like, um, so it was a great game.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think that if you're a Raiders fan, you're pretty much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you walk away from that, just popping champagne, um, thinking about Fernando Mendoza because, you know, here's another, here's another box that he's checked.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he checks his checks every box anyway, but I mean, Tom Brady was in attendance, by the way, hey, Tom Brady, somebody captured, I think somebody captured his face like when when Fernando Mendoza did that run.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right, right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, um, so I think that, uh, you know, he had, he had his moment, um, he had his ultimate moment that run that quarterback draw and, um, and, um, and, but otherwise, you know, Miami did such a great job through the game like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: like okay yeah you're a good quarterback but you can't throw the ball if we if we rush the hell out of you and and you know keep jacking you up with with our past rushers in our and our big guys up the middle and around the edges and you also can't
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, it doesn't matter how on target you are if the receiver can't catch the ball because he's being covered blanket.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's so well that he's just not in good position.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he he was thrown strike after strike, but they weren't coming down with them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, he did, I think
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[SPEAKER_04]: you accurately like on the fourth quarter there was one ball they probably wish that he didn't he didn't throw it like and got away with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's even a corner he leads the lead in drop pick sixes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah so I think that but still I mean you walk away from that game if you're a Raiders fan you know just just tickled because of the toughness factor you know like here's another box you know he gets jacked up and he's got a bloody lip and everything right
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then he goes and and does that, you know, other people saying that they've never seen that before I think Lance is here lying said that he's never seen that run before and is and is and is tape I disagree with that I think that that's there there are some there are some other ones that that you can look at there'd be like you know, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I was run on that run on that run started interrupting on that run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kory Heatherman said that they prepared for that because they saw them do it twice in the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they asked them if you had anything to do over, would you do anything?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, I would have called time out to reiterate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We practiced against this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he had looked at Monterey and Monterey looked back at him and told me, yeah, I know it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So they knew the quarterback draw was coming and it's still got the touchdown buddy, but and that's the thing about great players making great plays like sometimes, you know, like in the some of the catches that Elijah Sarat made last time our last game against Oregon, for example, that's great player making great play like yeah, the the balls right there on the back shoulder, but that's what that's a receiver doing all the work right there and just coming down with it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, and, and in this case, the quarterback just beat them with, uh, with his, with his legs and his vision and, um, and balance on all those things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, but, you know, no, no shame for Miami like it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look at what happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's consensus number two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: consensus number two voting for Miami coming out of the championship team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's consensus number one and number two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's how it should be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's what I think that's what I took away from the game is that that is legit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's one thing that I did isolate and it just, you know, comes to mind because we're we're going to talk about head coach.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But there was a call that on that last drive,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and you know, some people are like, you know, hey, the, this other team is in two minute drill and they're, and they're, they don't have any time out and they're racing, they're, they're fighting the clock, you know, why would you do that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why would you give them the chance to regroup and reload their plays and things like that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is where a head coach is so important and that's where signetti to me stands out is his, his feel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: his feel for the game is incredible that that QB draw was a feel for the game call, but the time out on the last drive was also a feel for the game because looking at his defense, their Russian, my army was making a few plays and they were getting up up the field a little bit toward the midfield, and he could just see those defenses tired.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And everything's rushed, it's last two minutes, it's very end of the game,
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he did that and then what happens then what happens is is they get the the big interception, the biggest interception and the biggest, you know, piece of balled up tied in a bow irony.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... with uh... with with sharp getting that in the game did you get that assignment did you get what uh... the guy his release in terms yeah absolutely and so that's up on discord right away like you're like that's that's gone sharps what nephew and child
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[SPEAKER_01]: kid is a nephew.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I want to know what it's nephew, but I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is nephew.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's nephew.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's painful, painful memory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like those people, those people, those people should not, you know, should not be offered meals in Miami for the rest of their lives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just but here's here's exiled honor Miami.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here's two tons of irony for you, you know, like with that with with how that ended, but I do think that that came down to head coaching, like a real
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[SPEAKER_04]: and that probably brings us to what we're probably going to be talking about for most of this podcast, which is Miami and the new head coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and by the way, last thing on this game and if you guys want to say something about him as well, Malachi Tony against Notre Dame this season when he had the two touchdowns in the hundred yards to start the season, he was 17 years old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's 18 years old now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 10 catches for 120 yards in a touchdown last night against that defense that missed zero tackle is pretty much all night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm over the moon with this kid and that tells you how bad the star system is that he was a three star kid like it's impossible that there's a great there's there's there's a great like video or slideshow just shown side by side pictures of Carson back and Malachi Tony Carson back you know full uniform at Georgia like playing football on Sunday looking like a
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[SPEAKER_04]: whole ass adult and Malachi Tony in the same time at the same year looking like an absolute child.
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[SPEAKER_04]: like this guy can't even fit a football in his hands and it just goes to show you you know that the college system and you know that goes both ways because obviously in the Anna I think Joe Shad pointed out that the Indiana's average age is only slightly like maybe a year lower than green base.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, which is kind of an interesting artifact of the new college football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, move it on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dolphins have a new leg coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff Hathley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm going to start here on the other side of the break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about
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[SPEAKER_02]: his philosophies, who he could be bringing in as an offensive coordinator, who, who's going to be his defensive coordinator, is he going to call a place?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know none of those things because I think the press conference is going to be on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Levin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll, we'll know more about those things, but we can speculate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the only question I want to ask here on this side of the break is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll start with you Simon, why the hostility from media and fans to Jeff Haffley?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's coming in with no honeymoon whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: None.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's some, it makes wild to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's really inside Roe piece about it the other day about their kind of misinformation process that had been going on, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you get a load of people who've never seen Boston College play, who genuinely never seen them play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like Quoting is 22 and 26 records, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Without any context, without any understanding of what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was 22 and 26, he sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Packers defense, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Packers defense can concede it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, X amount of yarns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had one guy get into, again, to my mentions on Twitter telling me, Tom Coffland wouldn't have Boston College.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, a thousand years ago when we didn't pay players, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so a few days, let's take first of all, let's take the Boston College points, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 22 and 26 record, taking over at the start, well, first of all in COVID and then into the NOL era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people go, oh, he's had penalty issues and they quoted some Boston college kind of rant piece from some fan website.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, two out the four years they led the ACC in least penalties and least penalty average, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that immediately kind of kicks that one to the curb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Boston College essentially, like I said, 2026, the first season was COVID, all right, and then NIR started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he had one losing record in four years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He went to three bowl games, all right, including a win over number 16 SMU in the Fenway Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the BC's first bowl win since 2016, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He also added into their first win over an AP rank components as 2040.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People talked about the previous
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the fact that, you know, he also had a had a good record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't dealing with what was Steve Adazio wasn't dealing with with NIL, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And does anybody need reminding about the differences in college football pre and post pandemic in terms of the kind of the avalanche of
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[SPEAKER_01]: of NIA, but here's some stats right in the first season in 2020, finished with the most victories of any first year head coach and college football, all while handling that pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His defense grew 52 spots in the National Rankings and Total Defense, they allowed 62 fewer girls to gain in the previous year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The year later, in 2021, his defense was third nationally in passing yards allowed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Boston College.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not Florida or LSU or Georgia or Alabama or Miami or Ohio State or Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Boston College, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Top 30 nationally in six other categories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Total defense, red zone defense, first down allowed, third down percentage, team passing efficiency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: defensive touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Twice they led the ACC and fierce penalties, fierce penalty yards, over saw three of the top recruiting classes in BC history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He kept safe hours at the team, when NIL money was absolutely, you know, and people were because of his relationship with safe hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why all a small powerful power for school, and people say Boston College is in a small school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've got loads of money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look it up on the NIL index.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not in the top 75 in terms of money to spend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so all these other AC teams, AC teams are getting super
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Clemson don't, you know Clemson have a load of money, they don't go into an aisle, but for or to stay, it's such, et cetera, a Miami, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boston College just do not compete on that level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even his disappointing year, the three and nine season needs some serious contextualising, all five players in the offensive line had to be replaced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The court of that full year of its repeat would talk about as a potential riser into the second room the first day, regressors badly as any player in college football that year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They led the ACC a number of games missed through injuries and the special to unit full of equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are excuses, I get that people say, it's just excuses, you're just parroting excuses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same hack piece that said that his team were penalized and had a load of penalties said that this is a team that should be getting eight and nine wins a season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's below Brian's record since he's below Brian from Jeff Haffley?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, two seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Bill O'Brien, who went to the playoffs for our six seasons as head coach for Houston Texans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One soup bowls with the patriots, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bill O'Brien is nine and 16 of Boston colleagues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were two and 10 last year, but, you know, so, context is really important in these things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he took the packers job, all right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he took the packers job, he left Boston College, and people were going, oh, I left Boston College because he didn't have any spying, he didn't have any background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the problem is that he is a great teacher, like Richard Sherman, Derele Revis, Micah Parsons, Hall of Fame players, all three, will,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a fuse about how great he is as a teacher, what a great communicator is, what a great leader is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He loves hand on hands on teaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some guy that player that I spoke to who played on the halfway told me that he just loves the grass under his feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he likes to be out teaching in Green Bay in 234.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had loads of people go, well, they're defense suck to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's only been a in the NFL one year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His defense is like, no, he's been a coordinate for two years, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, before he went to Boston College,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had the number one ranked defense in college football at Ohio State, who were terrible the season before and he can pretty turn them around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He turned Green Bay from the 17th ranked defensive unit, the fifth ranked unit, there was a six best scoring unit in football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had 31 takeaways in his first year of time for fourth best in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He turned Xavier McKinney into an all-pro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the biggest one year improvement in the NFL that season in terms of takeaways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They jumped from 27th to 7th in DBOA, their Rush defense went from 26th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to 7th, and he finished 7th and rushing yards allowed per game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this season, the defense was similarly good.
20:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Numbers weren't quite as great, and they certainly fell off at the end of the season, but they were also missing five of their six best players on multiple games, Micah Parsons, Devon 2YR, arguably the best young off-ball-line Mac and League of Edge Cooper, Evan Williams, the kind of rising star safety, and he's helped turn Evan Williams into that position and Edge Cooper of their eight defeats six.
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[SPEAKER_01]: came by a total of 25 points, not 25 points, a total of 25 points, four of the defeats were by four less and two by six or less, including one and over times, so they lost an over time touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even in that playoff defeat to the Bears, where yes, they did collapse late on the fourth quarter, because the offense couldn't stay on the field, and the defense was literally going back in.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, Green Bay had possessions of like 51 seconds, 27 seconds, you're like the defense is literally going to sit down, pick you hell that, get back on the field.
21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: They held that high flying Chicago offense to six points into the fourth quarter.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So...
21:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will stop ranting in a minute that what really has frustrated me about the conversation in the narrative over the last 24-4 hours is people I think believe that how your defense works or whether or not you gave up yardage in the second half to the Chicago Bears or the Dallas for you gave up 40 points to the Dallas Cowards, they believe that is directly correlated to your ability to be a head coach.
21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I find this battling, this is, you know, yes, the 30 second worst or the worst, the 30 second ranked defensive corner in the NFL is not getting interviews in this cycle, right?
22:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a reason why these people are being hired and there reason why these people are being interviewed and that is not because their defense gave up 40 points to Dallas or, you know,
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Micah Parsons got injured and therefore they couldn't get past Russian in the fourth quarter against the against the Chicago MS.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because their fantastic leaders, they are people who are great teachers and they're seen as people that can run franchises.
22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: His job as a head coach to the Miami dolphins will not be to specifically gain plan for the defense weekend we can.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't imagine.
22:35
[SPEAKER_01]: His job is as the leader of the team and people have not been able to separate these two things
22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He interviewed for six jobs, and he made six second interviews that Albert Breyer said this afternoon that the Titans were absolutely desperate for him to get on the flight on Tuesday, the Cardinals didn't believe they had much for short, but he was supposed to go there on Wednesday.
22:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was so impressive in the Steelers interview that they had invited him back again, and the Steelers were really keen to get him in the building.
23:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't, you know, and the readers, the readers were as well.
23:10
[SPEAKER_01]: The first day he was going to be the raiders, so he was going to go, uh, Miami Monday, Titans Tuesday, Cardinals Wednesday, raiders Thursday and still the Steelers were like, don't do anything until we've spoken to you again.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the narrative I just think is really weird, and you had people complaining about his hair, and you had people like him.
23:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I just find it so, um, and the other one that's really pissed me off is the fact that this wasn't a true process.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a true process.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: John Erick Sullivan Hardy's best mate is like, you're there mate.
23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, can we just strip that back for a minute?
23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Like John Erick's son has weighed 20 years to be a general manager.
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one thing he's wanted to do with his entire life, right?
23:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's just going to issue a process that isn't even run by him necessarily?
23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It's run by Stephen Ross and Troy Eggman as much as Dan Silman and Brandon Shaw as much as it's run by Sullivan.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the first one.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's going to just pick a guy who's his mate and the old boy network and just ruin the potential that he's weighed 20 years for, point number one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: point number two is, if he was just going to hire his mate, why would he not have had Adam Stinovich or Luke Getsy or Buck Kers or Rich Persatia, or those coaches at Green Bay, Demarkus Kavington, those coaches who he's known for longer than Jeff Haffley, who's only been in the building for two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I just find that so,
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I find that so reductive as an argument, and I don't think it is an argument, actually.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've just seen Barry Jackson and Joe Shad tweeting about how, you know, is the request that you want to be, you know, a serious question that you'd like to ask, and we'll put them to them, and in the press conference on Thursday, and like the loads of people go, why did he hire his best mate?
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Why did he hire his, this is not a true broker?
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, I don't understand, we've waited years to go to a Pittsburgh Steelers or to a Green Bay Packers,
24:54
[SPEAKER_01]: a Baltimore Ravens or, you know, a Buffalo Beals or a New England Patriots, and really change things up, right, and have a completely new outlook, a completely new mentality from the routine that is consistently good year in year out, year in year out, and has historically been, and they've run things the right way, they've done things the right way, and that's what we've done, this process has been really, really well handled, and I do applaud Stephen Ross for that, and I think Troy, has been integral in that.
25:20
[SPEAKER_01]: but we've done everything that fans have been asking to do for years and we've hired two really great people.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But we talked about John Erick Sullivan on our discord a year ago as to this guy is going to be an absolute fucking superstar.
25:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you don't have to see what Hathley is doing.
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I watch every single Greenman Packers game in his tenure, because my partner is a packer's owner.
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know how good he is.
25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I speak to people like Peter Bukowski and Jason Hirschall and people like that who are big Greenman, like us, podcastes and all that sort of thing, do lockdown stuff for the Packers.
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like losing half his massive.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been absolutely outstanding.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at my capacitance treating yesterday about how much he's going to miss in, he's going to miss the energy all those things.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got like, you know, you've got Robin Fresno who's a Dolphins fan going.
26:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks.
26:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He's seen with mid at BC and he's just hired his best friend.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all of that, like I completely understand people's frustration over the everything that the dolphins have done over these.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But this process has actually been non properly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've hired two really good people, two really great candidates.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you listen to people like Albert Brear and Tom Pellasaro and all of these talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how important and how well-regarded half-lears, and we've hired the guy that everybody's talking about, and people are still not happy, and I get it.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I get the people disillusioned with the myary dolphins in the round, but this to me, some of these kind of excuses and create you know things that people are bringing up Chris just like blow my mind.
26:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, fans fans are, um, you know, it interests me a lot less with the fans are reacting to, um, um, and it's just, and that's not a, that's not anything against the fans.
26:56
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just that you have to understand that the fans are half trauma response.
27:01
[SPEAKER_04]: and half, you know, there's I get it and it's half trauma response and then it's just half, you know, you know, the hope spring's eternal crowd, you know, and that's that's the way you fan.
27:15
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's that's cool.
27:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you do do how you do how you do.
27:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I was reminded of that today, you know, like, you know, I'm kind of like panning some of the, the halfway,
27:26
[SPEAKER_04]: stuff that's going on out there and the guys like, hey, you know, listen, it's social media.
27:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Let us over at.
27:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, there's value to that.
27:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I get it.
27:36
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm not not going to tell you not going to tell you how to be.
27:39
[SPEAKER_04]: But at least have a little bit of perspective on what we're talking about in terms of humility and what we know and what
27:48
[SPEAKER_04]: we truly don't know, and you know, when people are talking about, I would have preferred an experienced coach.
27:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I get that as a preference, but to have that as some absolute rule is almost like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: all of the successful coaches in NFL history of which there are many and in fact, probably most of the successful ones in NFL history were first time had coaches.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, when they, when they got hired are, you know, not all of them, but like many of them were and you're basically saying all of that is bullshit.
28:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Because all that counts is the ones that the head coach experience already.
28:30
[SPEAKER_04]: It's obviously not a universal strategy to just always go for an experienced head coach.
28:38
[SPEAKER_04]: It did seem like it would be the strategy this time around, but that's not for good reasons.
28:42
[SPEAKER_04]: It was for bad reasons that were in this part of the plot line where we swing from the first time head coach to the guy to to a Jeff Fisher or something like that, you know, like that seemed like where we were where we were in the cycle, but that cycle's not a good cycle, so you know, have a little bit of awareness of that.
29:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Have a little bit of awareness about how we can't tell shit about assistant coaches because the buck will only stop the buck stops with really only one person and that's the guy at the top so you know when you're trying to weed out you know and extrapolate all who's
29:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Who is attributable to this success and who is not and stuff like that we don't we haven't played with these who played for these guys We haven't coached with these guys.
29:29
[SPEAKER_04]: We worked in the interview video rooms We don't know shit about these guys.
29:33
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I've likened it to astrology.
29:36
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a science that it's a science and name only It's it's not it's not a real science You hope for the best
29:43
[SPEAKER_04]: You hope not to get the egg on the, you know, the, the first press conference like, you know, I can think of some guys, some past albums had coaches that turned me off kind of on the first press conference.
29:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Cam Cameron being one of them and, and so, you know, I think that's all you're really hoping for, but otherwise you're just kind of being aware that we don't know shit.
30:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And our opinions aren't really informed opinions.
30:11
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not informed opinions.
30:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they're informed by some things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there are a few candidates out there that have enough of a track record that maybe we can have kind of a semi-informed opinion about them.
30:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, that's not what we're talking about here.
30:26
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, the puts and takes here on Jeff Haffley are that, you know, obviously everywhere except with the Miami fandom, this is universally failed, right?
30:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen, I haven't seen a word a bad word about him from anybody on the national level.
30:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, or anybody on the green bay level, not a single bad word.
30:47
[SPEAKER_04]: He is a well qualified, at least a well qualified and well experienced defensive coordinator, which you can actually even say that about Mike McCain when he was hired.
31:00
[SPEAKER_04]: He had been an offensive coordinator for one year and never called place.
31:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, that's maybe coming out of Miami, he's in a little bit different position because he's been calling the players for four years, but coming into Miami, you couldn't even say that the guy was a well experienced and well qualified offensive coordinator because that was in true.
31:18
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't even say the same about Anthony Weaver when we hired him as a defensive coordinator.
31:21
[SPEAKER_04]: He'd been an off or a defensive coordinator for, I think, one year with Houston, and it was basically an interim situation where that was Romeo Cernel's defense.
31:31
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so I mean, we got at the very least a very well qualified with experience defensive coordinator who guided defensive, massively impressive defensive turnaround.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in both Ohio State and Green Bay.
31:46
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's cool.
31:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's a positive like take take the win on that one.
31:50
[SPEAKER_04]: A guy who speaks who doesn't make you cringe all the time.
31:54
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, he seems he seems bright.
31:56
[SPEAKER_04]: He's very engaged in engaging the press for one of them.
31:59
[SPEAKER_04]: right because he's very engaging with the press.
32:03
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, take the win on that one and then realize that we don't have anything solid to go on to say nobody.
32:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And I say, we, I, you know, I don't just mean myself, I'm not saying the Royal Wii, I mean all of us, we don't have anything solid to go on to say, oh yeah, this is where the curse stops or what we have with the continuation
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we never will, you know, so, so I mean, I have a little bit of perspective that way and just let it be what it is and and realize that, you know, when you're saying, oh, it needed to be an experience head coach, you're basically saying that that's that's the only thing that works, which is patently untrue and and just, you know, just approach it with however you want to approach it as a fan.
32:53
[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, I take some wins that the nationals and the players and things like that really adore this guy, and he doesn't give me the equities victim.
33:03
[SPEAKER_04]: If I had any personal questions to him, it would be, you know, yes, he did leave Boston College to go back to being a defensive coordinator because Simon, as you put it, he's a he needs to feel the grass under his feet.
33:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, he needs to have his hands on on the defense and coaching and things like that.
33:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
33:20
[SPEAKER_04]: But now you're now you're kind of striking to me.
33:23
[SPEAKER_04]: The up, you know, that are you a defense coordinator or are you a head coach?
33:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Because at BC he was he did have to juggle like he had to juggle things that you can't juggle.
33:33
[SPEAKER_04]: He had to be a general manager not knowing even what the salary cap is.
33:37
[SPEAKER_04]: He had to be a fundraiser.
33:38
[SPEAKER_04]: He had to be
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[SPEAKER_04]: a delegator.
33:39
[SPEAKER_02]: He had to be, no, and now you've got to be, and now you've got to be a capologist now, too.
33:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Good to have a look.
33:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a capologist general manager.
33:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, capologist and general manager and fundraiser and all these things, which he didn't, you know, it took away his why.
33:56
[SPEAKER_04]: his wife were going back in a college football was not that it was to develop players from high school and then you know their fourth or fifth year you know we're ready to rock and roll with these players that's his why and they took that away between COVID and then NL and but my question would be as a head coach you're not going to be a grass under your feet guy as much as you want to be.
34:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're also not going to boost the meetings and fundraising and I'm going to deal with and trunks.
34:27
[SPEAKER_04]: But there's, there's a lot of aspects of, there's a lot of aspect of had coaching that that are in ministry of hand, delegation, you know, and that sort of thing.
34:37
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that would be the question, if I had him right in front of me, I would ask him, how do you balance that?
34:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I know what you want of it.
34:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you want to be in the film room.
34:45
[SPEAKER_04]: dissecting new trends and stuff like that.
34:48
[SPEAKER_04]: But are you willing to accept that as a head coach you are a head coach and you have a different set of responsibilities from the guys underneath you.
34:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's a thing like you were up for that at BC.
34:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you ready for that even though BC is very different for the out of fell, but you know like a curtsignetti was up for it, right?
35:08
[SPEAKER_04]: So, so what?
35:10
[SPEAKER_04]: what's your answer to that?
35:11
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the only question that I would ask him.
35:13
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's not even it's a weak question.
35:15
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not it's not a criticism.
35:17
[SPEAKER_04]: It's an open question.
35:19
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's how that's how I look at it.
35:21
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, you know, why wouldn't you like the guy?
35:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he was just tired of, you know, having his AD tell him, hey, look, you gotta go have lunch with this guy because he has a $100,000 check for us.
35:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And you gotta try to massage another $100,000 out from him.
35:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, you know, I don't like this.
35:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not crazy.
35:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Fundraising aspect is so ridiculous at that level, and I get it.
35:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.
35:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been to some functions where you see Pat Riley and and he has every exposure with him and Mario Cristobal is there and Mario Cristobal is like the social butterfly.
35:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you watch him on the sideline and he's this pumping and he has mean looks and he's to eat, you know, he's punching his hand and you know, he's the quintessential meathead, but I've seen him in functions where he's like the social butterfly.
36:10
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think he's doing?
36:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He's buttering up all these rich people.
36:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So they could unload money into the A&L for the University of Miami.
36:18
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he's doing.
36:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's part of the job that Jeff Haffley was just not in on.
36:24
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
36:24
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go to break.
36:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we come back, we're going to talk a little bit about philosophy.
36:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what kind of coach is this going to be?
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's already been a lot of speculation out there.
36:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But first, these words.
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[SPEAKER_02]: our back.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, what kind of coaches Jeff Haffley going to be?
36:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you one thing that is huge big on big in his favor.
36:46
[SPEAKER_02]: In the preseason, there's a podcast that we did, where we were assessing the Miami Dolphins roster.
36:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And we ranked the worst secondaries in football.
36:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And we had Miami as the worst.
36:58
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was making an argument for, and I think we were going back and forth does Green Bay belong in that three worst in the NFL.
37:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, guess what?
37:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a top 10 defense.
37:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And that secondary got a little better as the season went on.
37:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't have a production like Miami got with Russell Douglas or Renaissance with Mink of its Patrick.
37:22
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a good defense.
37:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He knew not to say that he knew how to hide these guys, but he knew how to manipulate his defense in a way to make it effective, weekend and week out.
37:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I think his performance was damn good this year as a defensive coordinator.
37:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
37:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, yeah, okay, they blew the 21 to 3 lead and Florio led today with, that's who Miami hires, the guy whose famous for blowing the 21 to 3 lead in the playoffs.
37:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, okay.
37:52
[SPEAKER_02]: There's context to that.
37:54
[SPEAKER_02]: They could run the ball in the third quarter.
37:56
[SPEAKER_02]: The defense is out there for a billion plays.
37:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to lose.
38:00
[SPEAKER_02]: The game against the Cowboys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cowboys have a great offense.
38:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one offense in football.
38:04
[SPEAKER_02]: They were at home.
38:05
[SPEAKER_02]: They were hot.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they scored 40.
38:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But there was context to that, too.
38:09
[SPEAKER_02]: The secondary was not good in that game.
38:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Make a, Mike Parsons was kind of non-existent in that game as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Until he got his lone sack and lone tackle in overtime,
38:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think there's context to all of that and all I can say for, you know, what kind of coach we're getting is a guy who has adapted and that's more than you can say for the previous head coach here and even the defensive coordinator we had here.
38:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
38:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Just on that point, right.
38:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the play by play of that wildcard game in front of me, right.
38:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Green Bay get the ball up, 29 free starts
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: There's come out 8 play drive, 4 minutes 46.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Packers back on the field, 3 plays, pun.
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: There's come back on the field, 9 play drive, 5 minutes 17, green bay, 5 play drive, 2 minutes run off the clock, fourth quarter, bears get the ball, 7 play drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: next next drive and it's now 21 9.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Green Bay 3 plays 10 yards, 51 seconds, next drive, bears 7 plays 66 yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so of the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 of the first 10 drives in the
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[SPEAKER_01]: four or five, and the bears that minimum have eight plays, nine plays, seven plays, seven plays, ten plays on their five drives.
39:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That wears a difference down just a little bit, especially when you're without Michael Parsons, Lucas Van Nes, the shungaries aren't playing Devonti, why it's not playing edge coupers out the game.
39:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You're done, I mean they're playing the fourth and fifth string live actors, I was aim at Duffy and the Rookie, the Bangalore Kamara that
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Indiana where it is from.
40:00
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, come on, can we be serious just a little bit?
40:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, Nick Rick.
40:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Rick's just came guys.
40:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Richard Gary, first of all, is not the player he used to be.
40:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And Edge Cooper and Micah Parsons are the best at their positions in all the football.
40:17
[SPEAKER_02]: So, when you're missing those, you guys, like, come on, you know, just context to all of this.
40:22
[SPEAKER_02]: What kind of culture we're getting Chris, at least what have you seen as far as his performance
40:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, as the defensive coordinator we're kind of coordinator is going to be as I think he took a lot of lessons from from when he was in San Francisco and when he was running with some of those got some of those other guys that are he's going to be a middle of field closed in his own words, kind of defensive coordinator, if he is, you know, kind of if he stands on on the defense which.
40:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I believe you get some grace probably in your first year or so that you're trying to establish your new program.
40:59
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to be pretty hands on with that defense this year and that's fine, but he's going to be a four down line when you got a guy.
41:06
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to be a lot of single high.
41:08
[SPEAKER_04]: And when they have to manufacture different looks, then they'll manufacture different looks.
41:13
[SPEAKER_04]: You talked about it, BC, just before starting out at Green Bay, that they invented some looks that kind of simulate to high that are still middle of the field closed.
41:21
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think that also, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,
41:31
[SPEAKER_04]: He has made a living off of doing increasing amounts of man coverage.
41:36
[SPEAKER_04]: So we should be kind of aware of that, especially press man.
41:40
[SPEAKER_04]: He's big on jamming receivers and kind of shutting down the route tree that way.
41:46
[SPEAKER_04]: And things that your friend Peter Bukowski pointed out, like a long time ago.
41:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I think that, um, I think that he's going to be a good defensive coordinator.
41:56
[SPEAKER_04]: He's a good communicator.
41:57
[SPEAKER_04]: They say great relationship builder.
42:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that that's kind of proven out by, um, by some of the players that are talking him up.
42:06
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, yes, you could say the same about Mike McDaniel heading in and get that.
42:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and that's fine.
42:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but what I take from it is he is head coach who at least is a well experienced and very sound defensive coordinator candidate and we'll see if he's ready for that top job.
42:26
[SPEAKER_04]: And we just don't know that and then that's fine because you're never going to know that.
42:31
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're not even with an experienced head coach, it could be another Jeff Fisher situation, you know, for all you know.
42:38
[SPEAKER_04]: So we don't know, we don't know exactly what is going to be otherwise.
42:42
[SPEAKER_04]: But what I will say is that this is going to be draft develop keep.
42:47
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's his that was his why that was his why for going into college football that was his why for going away from pros and in the college he wanted to get in guys living recruit them from high school teach them for four years by the fourth and fifth year he just got them on the field ready to kick ass and you know that that's that's what he came when in the college football to do.
43:12
[SPEAKER_04]: They took away that Y, and so he went back into the program and program and game and he's married with a general manager who has just been pounding that message over and over.
43:24
[SPEAKER_04]: We draft, we develop, we keep.
43:28
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we do.
43:28
[SPEAKER_04]: We draft, develop, we keep.
43:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's such an opposite message from what, you know, what we've seen in Miami recently.
43:36
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're you're getting guys who work quote unquote aligned, you know, sometimes I hate the jargon.
43:41
[SPEAKER_04]: But they are aligned, you know, that way, it's draft, if the draft development keep game.
43:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what the two of them are going to try to do.
43:51
[SPEAKER_04]: And so we'll see how it works.
43:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and somebody was telling me earlier today, if anything, we were doesn't get a job, you know, what does it mean for him here?
44:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it means that he's fired because if you
44:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you asked me, but if you asked me to find somebody that had a defense of philosophy that was the exact opposite of Jeff Haffley It would be Anthony Weaver because Anthony Weaver is a middle-of-the-field open guy and likes to start everything in two-shel while Haffley is middle-of-field close guy almost exclusively and likes to start showing you know a single-high or, you know, cover three and then moves into quarters like he disguises in reverse
44:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, kind of similar to last night.
44:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Miami with Cory Heatherman is kind of like Jeff Haffley.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And Indiana is more like Anthony Weaver.
44:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana just lines up in Tudig shell every single play.
44:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And you look at it and you're like, oh, this is cover two, no, it's not.
44:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that to snap is something different.
44:59
[SPEAKER_02]: This is in reverse.
45:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So if Anthony Weber is retained, he isn't something just has to adopt Jeff Haffley's entire philosophy from scratch.
45:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, you have an opinion on that, Simon, but, or you want to move on to what kind of staff he can put together.
45:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's go into staff because we could be here for a long time on wave.
45:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, philosophy.
45:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
45:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, like, Weaver's work is integrated in a number of philosophies, whether that's Wing Martin Dell, whoever that is, and I do think that there's part of me that believes that Weaver's scheme, I mean, look, he runs so many different, you know, he runs so many different,
45:44
[SPEAKER_01]: formations.
45:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you not mean in terms of how we, what we tried to do or on defense?
45:51
[SPEAKER_01]: When you go back and look at some of the things that he's done over the past, you know,
45:59
[SPEAKER_01]: however long he's built two seasons even here in terms of I mean he's run multiple you know want to hire disguise structures different variations of three bars all how zero blitz is we've had sim pressures we've had zone quarters we've had half combos of formations we have three cloud and palms and you know multiple two deep corners Sims and you know sometimes to his detriment sometimes to his detriment like he said that his greatest regret this year was at the beginning of the at the beginning of the year
46:27
[SPEAKER_04]: thinking they were building off of last year when really all of the personnel had been reset.
46:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've had different variations kind of cover three and zone and on one side man match on the other, you know, even the kind of, you know, you look at what Indiana did last night with their kind of tilt fronts that that's what we were doing.
46:44
[SPEAKER_01]: There's those kind of six one look.
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I know that's kind of really getting into the weeds, but that's almost what
46:53
[SPEAKER_01]: the personel, just you had to try and find something that worked almost for each individual member of that unit.
47:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we is certainly flexible enough to do some things differently.
47:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Now whether or not there's a healthy mesh there and whether or not I mean personally I think he's probably going to go to the giants, right?
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that would make the most sense.
47:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean I don't think we was out the equation just because half is now here.
47:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that also to keep in mind, you know, you brought it up already, but, you know, it's worth reiterating, you know, he coached under Mike Patton, he coached under Romeo Cornell, he coached under Mike Martin Dale and then he coached under Mike McDonald and the very last one that he coached under Mike McDonald was kind of the approach he brought to Miami and, and so, you know, there's, there's ever reason to believe that any, he was influenced a lot by Rex Ryan as well.
47:50
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I mean, there's every reason to believe that Anthony Weaver is ultimately, he's just flexible.
47:55
[SPEAKER_04]: He's trying to teach his players to play in a lot of different styles because he wants to mix it up at the offense and leave them guessing.
48:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And he also wants to be able to have that flexibility from week to week according to what works in the game plan.
48:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And the, the, the,
48:14
[SPEAKER_04]: amount that he got stuck or married to any specific coverage or, or, you know, kind of style or philosophy.
48:24
[SPEAKER_04]: In Miami this year, I would almost attribute that to he had no choice.
48:29
[SPEAKER_04]: He had no choice at one point.
48:31
[SPEAKER_04]: These players weren't getting it, and they were all new, and frankly, they were, you know, as a bad jamming job, I think we've been through that.
48:44
[SPEAKER_04]: you take that in account his adaptability and it looks a little, it does look a little bit different.
48:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't rule it out.
48:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that he could get a head coaching job, which would be good for my head.
48:54
[SPEAKER_04]: But you know the guys that the guys that we keep in mind are guys that he had at BC or Jeff Haffley had at BC, like Tam Lookaboo and Sean Duggan.
49:06
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, guys like that, and that's probably more what we're going to be looking at more likely because as you said Simon, he might just go Anthony we were, you know, might just express the preference and say, listen, I want to go up and coach which John Harbaugh and New York and maybe that's just the end of it.
49:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
49:28
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, moving on and I think we could finish up here.
49:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the fans, you know, their eyes would glass over.
49:33
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just talking about defensive philosophies and how one can mess with the other.
49:37
[SPEAKER_02]: But one thing that fans all understand is what an offense looks like.
49:41
[SPEAKER_02]: The most important thing that Jeff Haffley is going to do is hire a staff.
49:47
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your thoughts, Simon?
49:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have an idea of what kind of offenses he's going to want?
49:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, look, I think first of all, the thing to most importantly remember is that your two best players and orphans are Devon A-chan and A-Ron Brewer, right?
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So you cannot change the scheme into something that's completely alien to the success of those.
50:16
[SPEAKER_01]: An extra intention to trade those two away, but that would seem reductive from the start.
50:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would imagine
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: your your center is one of one in the league in terms of what he's able to do and how he does it.
50:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He is not going to be running a power gap scheme.
50:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think kind of doing what continue to do what they do unless your intention is to trade those two players seems to be there.
50:41
[SPEAKER_01]: that the right thing to do.
50:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And I look, I think it depends who comes in.
50:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, I, I, an educated guest would say that the, that the Packers, Pass Game Coordinator, Jason Rabel, who was an offensive assistant with the Packers.
50:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, two wide receivers coach for four seasons, and then the Pass Game Coordinator, extremely well regarded young coach, never called plays, but it's seen as like a potential star in the making.
51:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't surprise me if he came over.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Connor Lewis, again at Green Bay, he's the part game specialist, the game management coach, and as the Assistant Corps, that's coach really good relationship with Jordan Love.
51:13
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about Steve Shimko, who was the client coach in the court of that coach, and then the offensive coordinator at Boston College, he's now the Cowboys, caught back coach, so he'd make sense in some roles.
51:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Another key name, I think, a part of the adjacent variable is Brian Angel, Angel Chio, who we were laughing about last night.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: who's the partner in corner and the tie-ons coach of the Vikings, but as work with Haffley at Pittsburgh at Rutgers in Tampa Bay and in Cleveland, I think he is a real name to watch McLombardy, quarterback coach of the 49ers, worked with Jeff at the 49ers in 2016.
51:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's also in the assistant coach of the Patriots, the Jets, the Raiders, and then you know, some other nice Andrew Jannico at the C-Hortes, he's the quarterback's coach, Bob Bostad, he's worked with he's worked with the calf,
51:56
[SPEAKER_01]: In Tampa Bay, he's the Indiana Run Game Coordinator, an offensive line coach, obviously whether he's ready to leave the National Champions remains to see Ben McDaniels, who's with him at the box with half.
52:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He's now the wide receiver, goes past coach, passed in coordinate at the times.
52:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Luke gets the obviously, you know, kind of up and down as an offensive coordinator, but like you've got a look at him, he coached with halfway at Pittsburgh, he came to Green Bay with him in 2024 as defensive assistant.
52:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He's now a senior assistant at the Packers.
52:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, I wouldn't even be surprised if Nathaniel Hackett came in at some point.
52:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he's been a head coach and an unsuccessful one at the Broncos.
52:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was not trying to coordinate with the bills, the jaguers of the packers, and he's now a senior assistant, or a senior advisor, a green bay, a job he understood in the past season.
52:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Just as somebody who half can rely on as a senior voice as a bit of a, you know, like a gym called well, how we, you know, that kind of guy can just come into the background.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some of the, even Kurt Signetti's brother Frank Signetti, he was offensive coordinator, he's offensive coordinator in the Anna University of Pennsylvania at the moment, but he was, um, he was with half a Pittsburgh at Rutgers and at BC, whereas the offensive coordinator in court, that's coach.
53:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'd definitely keep an eye on, on, on some of those names, but I would probably lean towards a Jason Frable or a,
53:15
[SPEAKER_01]: for the guy from Minnesota, Brian, Angelico.
53:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's Angelico as the way, yeah, as the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the way to the
53:41
[SPEAKER_01]: don't have to get funky with stenovitch's title, he'd have my happy assistant head coach or something.
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might be too soon for many him to be offensive coordinate and I'd be surprised if if the fler let him go but I could see Brable certainly see see Brable and and Colour Lewis coming over.
53:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that you bring up a good name with Brian Angelico, I would be interested in that just because we've run across this thing where, you know, some, evidently, there's a bit of a cold war happening between some of the thought leaders and analysts of passing games around the league between pure progression versus full field reads and things like that.
54:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, in the Shanahan tree, it's more like pure progression, more often, and, you know, there's certain certain ways that they go about things where they're giving the quarterback the answers that they want, but also, you know, kind of takes away from their ability to.
54:40
[SPEAKER_04]: to read the field and things like that.
54:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I actually like how Minnesota runs their offense.
54:46
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, for being the style that it is, for being the sort of the denominational style in the NFL, as the shantan tree is very denominational.
55:00
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, for all that, I like them.
55:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I think looking at their tape and what things went wrong, I think that, you know, J.J. McCarthy
55:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And frankly, I look at that offense and in the problems that they've had.
55:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Who would have done better in the offense?
55:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Many, then he would have been my, then he did in Miami.
55:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so it's something, it's something to think about.
55:26
[SPEAKER_04]: So, so I think that, I think that that's a good guy to keep.
55:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Steve Shemko, we talked about, there's indications he might have called place for Dallas this year.
55:36
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's certainly a hard knocks footage of.
55:38
[SPEAKER_04]: of the coach basically getting on the headset and telling him which place to call, like call place for CD Lamb and George Bickens from here on out for the for the rest of the fourth quarter, you know, or whatever.
55:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, there's indications that Shemko might have called
55:58
[SPEAKER_04]: If the dolphins are going to allow the defensive guy in halfly, get away with a relatively under-experienced offensive coordinator, which is a big if, because everybody thinks, oh, you have to get ahead to coach of the offense, because you're the head coach of the defense, which I hate, by the way.
56:17
[SPEAKER_04]: But you know, I think that if they're going to allow him to get away with
56:25
[SPEAKER_04]: doesn't hurt that he helped deck press got have one of his best years as a pro this year.
56:32
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a guy to keep an eye on.
56:36
[SPEAKER_04]: One underrated aspect is the strengthen conditioning coach, which I think is an interesting question because Miami, we talk about needing to be ripped up from the floor up, you know, basically as a team.
56:49
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that that might go for, you know, strengthen conditioning and every aspect of the team.
56:54
[SPEAKER_04]: And Phil Matuz was his strength and conditioning coach at Boston College and has been the head strength and conditioning coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers for the last two years.
57:06
[SPEAKER_04]: But they just lost their head coach.
57:08
[SPEAKER_04]: And when you lose your head coach, you know, generally the kind of the rule is like, you know, you lost the guy who hired you.
57:16
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you don't want to be here if you have another opportunity,
57:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Often we let you out, you know, we let you out because we fired or not, we fired, but I mean, you had you had turnover at the guy who hired you.
57:29
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I wonder if my, I mean, we'll make a make a little play to see if they can get Pittsburgh's head strength and conditioning coach down here.
57:38
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, on the way out and this will be it.
57:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Any thoughts for the games this past weekend?
57:45
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think of anything in particular?
57:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you one.
57:49
[SPEAKER_02]: See how it was overwhelming.
57:51
[SPEAKER_02]: They're absolutely overwhelming.
57:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think they're better than the Rams.
57:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that the Super Bowl champion will come out of that energy championship game.
58:01
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty much it.
58:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what else can you say about Buffalo?
58:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're just, they just find new and inventive ways to lose in a way that makes you want to jump out of a window.
58:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I felt so I did feel sad for Josh Allen.
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Josh Allen.
58:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I know 90% of the open songs are we chucking the phones all there.
58:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel sorry for him.
58:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was quite funny.
58:25
[SPEAKER_01]: The bone-next thing is frustrating because it makes you feel like the Patriots are going to make it super long.
58:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting ready.
58:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
58:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really good, clearly and Drake may is really good.
58:38
[SPEAKER_02]: That takes us defense, that takes us defense forced an interception and for Drake may fumbles.
58:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're still dominated.
58:47
[SPEAKER_01]: CJ Stroud just threw another interception.
58:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's pretty wild.
58:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the C-Hot's defense is that the C-Hot's great in all three phases of the game.
58:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think losing sharpness is an issue, but I think they'll be all right.
59:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love the ram, so I just think, I mean, I thought Sean were very terrible game, or against Chicago.
59:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was one of the worst Sean were very coach games I've ever seen.
59:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think on that kind of that fast turf with Nikua and I think there will be such a good game.
59:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think winner Super Winner does, I agree with you, I think it does come from the NFC.
59:29
[SPEAKER_04]: Chris.
59:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know if I don't know who's going to win the super roll.
59:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I hate that the Patriots are going to skate through.
59:34
[SPEAKER_04]: And they are, you know, no, I don't think Jared Stenom is pulling out some kind of miracle.
59:42
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, that's that's that's beginners, but otherwise, you know, obviously it's really impressive what the the sea ox are doing.
59:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's another, you know, Clint Kubeyack in the way that they run their offense, you know, not all of these shandaham guys run everything the exact same way.
59:58
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't, you know, they call different plays, they have different approaches, you know, so I think that that's another one that's been obviously a very sound, but you know, how can you not root for the
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_04]: for Sam darn old, you know, coming back from what being ruined in New York and just becoming this, I mean, is a star right now.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that that's an interesting story.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it was an awesome weekend of games except for that one, like that was just an absolutely dropping, but you know San Francisco just ran out of players like you know at some point, you know, it's just so much you can bear, you know, that was pretty much it.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do agree with you, like maybe because Denver's defense is really good, maybe it's low score and maybe they get lucky, but I do think the New England's headed to the Super Bowl, which is insane.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_01]: What it does do is underlines what a great callback and good coaching can do for you.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:01:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a quick fix.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_02]: That team was for in 13 last year.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And generally terrible.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And here we are.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we are.
1:01:12
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