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The Burning (1981) w/ Mark of Tales from the Shelf! · Beyond The Blood: A Horror Movie Commentary Podcast

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  Speaker 1: H you are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions
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  Speaker 1: podcast network.
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  Speaker 2: Good Evening, Campers, ghouls and freaks alike. I hope your
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  Speaker 2: hot dogs are fresh, your blankets are warm, and a
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  Speaker 2: night free of practical jokes are in front of us.
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  Speaker 2: Especially want to end in a blaze of fire. My
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  Speaker 2: name is Chris and I'm honored to be here tonight
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  Speaker 2: to host and introduce you to our season one finale
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  Speaker 2: as we pack bags for camp and prepare for cropsy
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  Speaker 2: because we're talking all about nineteen eighty one's The Burning,
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  Speaker 2: and the audio commentary track featuring director Tony Maylan and
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  Speaker 2: journalist Alan Jones, available on both the Screen Factory Blu
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  Speaker 2: ray and four K release of the film. We are
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  Speaker 2: joined tonight by our friend Mark of Tales from the Shelf.
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  Speaker 2: We had a lot of fun with him, just talking
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  Speaker 2: extensively about the film's incredible practical effects courtesy of the
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  Speaker 2: legend Tom Savigni, the film's impact on our youth, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot more about the genre and the state of
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  Speaker 2: that genre, the slasher in nineteen eighty one. This episode
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  Speaker 2: wasn't without its challenges, though, as The Burning had pretty
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  Speaker 2: much as straight a production as one could hope for
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  Speaker 2: the commentary track was a good guide but left us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit direction list, which we hope you don't
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  Speaker 2: find too jumpy in the episode. Besides all of that, though,
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  Speaker 2: we are incredibly proud to wrap up season one of
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  Speaker 2: the show an immense excited to show you, our dear listeners,
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  Speaker 2: what we have in store for season two. We're also
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  Speaker 2: proud to release this episode as our first under Somebody's
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  Speaker 2: Favorite Productions podcast network. As you heard in the very
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  Speaker 2: beginning of the show, what started as a dream podcast
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  Speaker 2: for me as well as Chuck and Steve is alive
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  Speaker 2: and well, with the best still yet to come from us.
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  Speaker 2: We hope you enjoy this trip into the burning as
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  Speaker 2: much as we did. Thank you from the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: our hearts for sticking by us in this first season,
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  Speaker 2: and we promise you one thing. Season two is gonna
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  Speaker 2: blow your minds. Welcome to Beyond the Blood Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: It goes to this summer, a legend of terror isn't
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  Speaker 3: just a campfire story anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They just wait through the bunking door, just a massive flames.
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  Speaker 3: Cried out, I will return, I will have my revenge.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever he can catch right now, he's out there watching waning.
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  Speaker 3: What happened one summer five years ago is about to happen,
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  Speaker 3: and it's good.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Burning, all right, guys, So I want to kick
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  Speaker 2: this off with a with an interesting question. So The
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  Speaker 2: Burning comes out nineteen eighty one, right, and it comes
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  Speaker 2: out only I think six months after Friday the thirteenth,
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  Speaker 2: but production or not production pre production for The Burning
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  Speaker 2: starts before Friday the thirteenth, right, So my question to you,
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  Speaker 2: guys is, if Cropsy comes first, does he become like
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  Speaker 2: the pop culture phenomenon that Jason Vorhes's question in a
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  Speaker 2: spirit of Halloween or a spirit of Halloween and seeing
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  Speaker 2: a cropsy mask.
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  Speaker 4: That would be amazing.
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  Speaker 5: I'd buy one, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: Trick or treat studios get on that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't know if Friday the thirteenth,
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  Speaker 2: if it became what it did out of like strictly timing,
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  Speaker 2: or if you know, because clearly that first movie there
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  Speaker 2: was no Jason Vorhees, well there was, but he wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: People still his day you can ask people and people
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  Speaker 2: will still say that that Jason Vorhes was a killer
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  Speaker 2: in that first movie. So it technically wasn't until nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty one that Jason as the killer was introduced, right,
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  Speaker 2: so then from then on he became what he did.
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  Speaker 2: It's just interesting to me to think that Cropsy would
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  Speaker 2: have thirteen movies and would have been in base and
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  Speaker 2: went the hell and for Freddy, I think that's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Just two burn victims fighting each other.
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  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't think about that.
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  Speaker 2: That that's too much man, Cropsy Freddy versus Cropsy.
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  Speaker 7: It's uh, well they talk, we'll get we'll probably get
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  Speaker 7: into it later. But they talked about their potentially maybe
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  Speaker 7: being a burning too. Apparently there was talks of it,
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  Speaker 7: but nothing ever happened. Makes you wonder.
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  Speaker 2: M Yeah, yeah, I mean I could I could see
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  Speaker 2: it and when he when uh when when the director
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  Speaker 2: said that, I was like, WHOA interesting. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you could do it. I don't know if it would
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  Speaker 2: be It's kind of like you know they did a
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  Speaker 2: mutilator too.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't see that. It is not out yet.
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  Speaker 2: I think it just kind of like disappeared like it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was all over my Instagram feat and then it
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  Speaker 2: just went away. Like yeah, so I don't know what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with it, but I can't. I want to
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  Speaker 2: see it, and I love the fact that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to continue that and it's the same director. But I
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  Speaker 2: have a hard time thinking it's going to even be
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  Speaker 2: in the same because, like it's modern, it's not. It
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  Speaker 2: loses charm.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's hard to recapture that, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Like a modern burning film.
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  Speaker 2: M Why that's so funny.
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  Speaker 6: To me, Like, I don't know if that would work.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what are they going to
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  Speaker 2: call it? Like the Burned?
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  Speaker 7: They would just probably call it the burning again, that's
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  Speaker 7: the whole trend, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Either that, or they'll just take the out of it
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  Speaker 4: and it'll just be called burning.
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  Speaker 2: Burning to or I mean, if you want to go,
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  Speaker 2: it'll just be the burning, that's it. Yeah, like Mark said,
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  Speaker 2: it'll just be You'll have movies called the Burning and there's.
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  Speaker 5: But then they would have to identify it by the
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  Speaker 5: year at the end of it, like twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 5: or twenty twenty six. Yeah, not to be confused with
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  Speaker 5: the original one.
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  Speaker 2: The Burning five.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know that I would live.
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  Speaker 7: I think I like the Burning better because of it's
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  Speaker 7: how singular it is, you know, I think that.
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  Speaker 6: Adds to it as well, just to kind of there's
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  Speaker 6: something to be said for like finality.
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  Speaker 7: You know, as much as I love all of my
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  Speaker 7: my Friday the thirteenth sequels, like it's just cool to
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  Speaker 7: know that this.
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  Speaker 6: Is over and this is the only one you'll ever get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking before the show about how Chuck
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  Speaker 2: had never seen mad Man and same with that, you
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  Speaker 2: just have one, one and done and no sequel potential.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the potential was there from the ending of
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  Speaker 2: the movie, but they just never did anything with it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. It was just done. Unless we can find
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  Speaker 2: a way to think the AMC show mad Men is
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  Speaker 2: somehow related put that together anyway. I just want to
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  Speaker 2: start a down hypothetical question. I thought it was. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was an interesting thought. But yeah, I want
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  Speaker 2: to say thank you for coming on to the podcast. Dude.
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  Speaker 2: You have been one of those people that I think
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  Speaker 2: when we first started this thing and we were kind
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  Speaker 2: of reaching out for guests, I kind of had my
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  Speaker 2: fingers crossed that I was gonna hear from me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Man, I've been excited for this ever since you announced this.
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  Speaker 7: So I guess is that January February it's been a minute, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We announced it in uh we announced in December, right
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  Speaker 2: was December?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was like towards the end of December,
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  Speaker 4: like maybe a couple of weeks before we recorded Spider Labyrinth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So then it officially came to life in January,
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  Speaker 2: and now here we are ending the first season, which
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  Speaker 2: is crazy to me.
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  Speaker 4: It's absolutely mind blowing to think that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I saw when you put up the list of movies
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  Speaker 7: to discuss, and I saw that the Burning was one
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  Speaker 7: of the options, and that you were doing.
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  Speaker 6: It in June that.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, well, let.
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  Speaker 7: Me jump on that because I feel like I could
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  Speaker 7: talk about the Burning and hopefully all you guys will
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  Speaker 7: be able to say whether or not I did that
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  Speaker 7: successfully by the end of this. But no, dude, I
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  Speaker 7: was like, I would love to be on that, and
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  Speaker 7: I was actually thinking about it earlier today. How you know,
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  Speaker 7: I've been on other people's live streams and stuff, but
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  Speaker 7: this might be that the first real podcast I think
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  Speaker 7: I've ever been on as a guest. So yeah, that's
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  Speaker 7: pretty exciting too.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome, dude, we do. We got high praise from
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  Speaker 2: uh SO. Christian was on our last episode when we
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  Speaker 2: celebrated Steve's birthday.
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  Speaker 6: Oh nice.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I've watched him for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously he's a giant member of the community. And he
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  Speaker 2: got on and I think were we recording when he
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  Speaker 2: said what he said, Steve, do you remember for.
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  Speaker 5: What part of it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, he said, I just want to let
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  Speaker 2: you guys know. He's like that, I had no idea
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  Speaker 2: this was like a professional production.
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  Speaker 5: Oh it was. It was very humbling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, he was like, this is He's like,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what to expect. He's like, and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I do a lot of these, He's like, and none
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  Speaker 2: of them are this like professional. He's like, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm on an actual podcast. He's like, yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: produced to you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He brought that up as soon as like we were
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  Speaker 4: introducing him on the show. He's like, can I curse
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  Speaker 4: on this? He's like, of course you can. He's like, dude,
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  Speaker 4: this is fucking crazy. Like the production makes you feel
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  Speaker 4: like you're doing something right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think we should clip that and put
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  Speaker 2: it up as a you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 7: I'm a big fan of his as well. He's a
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  Speaker 7: cool dude, and UH just love their podcasts as well,
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  Speaker 7: him and Nicks.
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  Speaker 2: So, well, you're gonna hang out with him next month
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  Speaker 2: because you're going to be on the Evolution of Campground
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  Speaker 2: Slashers summer episode.
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  Speaker 6: I know, I'm so excited for that, man. That should
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  Speaker 6: be great.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, Well, you made so for anybody listening who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know you have a YouTube channel, obviously, Tails from the Shelf.
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  Speaker 2: You made a kind of retrospective on Campground Slasher before,
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  Speaker 2: so this is this is a little bit of like
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  Speaker 2: a you know, a like an expert, like you're like
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  Speaker 2: an expert on this stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Well, thank you.
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  Speaker 7: I yeah, I made that video and that was pretty
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  Speaker 7: early on in my YouTube. I guess career, you'd say,
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  Speaker 7: for lack of a better word, And I don't know
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  Speaker 7: when I was making that one. Something kind of clicked
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  Speaker 7: when I was editing it, and I don't know, that's
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  Speaker 7: one of my still one of my favorite videos I've
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  Speaker 7: ever done.
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  Speaker 6: I really like the way that that one came out.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously it could be a little better produced had I
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  Speaker 7: made it today, But you know.
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  Speaker 6: That's kind of you neither here nor there.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I feel as though I've seen a fair
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  Speaker 7: amount of these these camp slasher films, so I'll try
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  Speaker 7: not to be too reiterative of like that video here tonight.
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  Speaker 7: I'll try to maybe inject some new insight, but whenever
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  Speaker 7: it's appropriate, I'll mention some some stuff that I feel
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  Speaker 7: is relevant.
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  Speaker 2: Well, briefly, I don't want to get too far into
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  Speaker 2: it because we have that episode coming up, But exactly
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  Speaker 2: what is it about the campground slasher for you? Briefly
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  Speaker 2: that made you want to do that and talk about
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  Speaker 2: this movie?
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  Speaker 7: But I think it was because I don't know, I
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  Speaker 7: was just kind of thinking about ideas for videos to do,
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  Speaker 7: and I arrived at that kind of you know, sub
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  Speaker 7: subgenre of the camp slasher film, and I just was,
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  Speaker 7: you know, got me thinking about it, and I was
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  Speaker 7: like started with that idea, and as I continued to
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  Speaker 7: think about it more and more, a lot more things.
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  Speaker 6: Came to me.
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  Speaker 7: And so one of the things that I think is
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  Speaker 7: most effective and interesting about a campground slasher film is
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  Speaker 7: just it's almost like a Christmas horror film where there's
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  Speaker 7: this thing that's supposed to be really wholesome and sort
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  Speaker 7: of really important, you know, especially to kids. And then
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  Speaker 7: it's like this perversion of that where you take that
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  Speaker 7: and you kind of twist it and make it the
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  Speaker 7: thing that's you know, no longer safe and warm and
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  Speaker 7: instead it's kind of you know, it's really terrifying because
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  Speaker 7: we'll talk about it more. But something about the nature
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  Speaker 7: of a camp is like, by definition, it's sort of
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  Speaker 7: outside of civilization. So there's this element of uh, you know,
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  Speaker 7: isolation and you know, anything can sort of happen.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that's really what it is for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean anybody, did anybody here actually go
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  Speaker 2: to summer camp?
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  Speaker 6: That's the thing I never did.
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  Speaker 5: I did. It wasn't like a whole whole summer, but
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  Speaker 5: it was usually for like a couple of weeks throughout
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  Speaker 5: the summer. You go a couple hours out and you're
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  Speaker 5: there and you're basically out there for those those few weeks,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't know, from what I remember, it's like
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  Speaker 5: pretty isolated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was never really my thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I went, we went our, we went glamping, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my dad had an RV or like a pool long trailer,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as we went to the lake and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to ask you guys, because I do
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  Speaker 2: feel like the Burning is a little bit more. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think your casual and I keep I'm gonna keep
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  Speaker 2: bringing this up because I feel like it's the movie,
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  Speaker 2: but it's you know, your casual Friday the thirteenth, horror
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  Speaker 2: fan doesn't know the Burning right, Friday thirteenth is like
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  Speaker 2: the penultimate campground slasher for mainstream public right. Everything else
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  Speaker 2: kind of sits below that on different levels. The Burning
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  Speaker 2: to me is below that in the general view of
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  Speaker 2: the sub genre. For me, and I'm gonna ask you, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I found the Burning in a unique way. And I
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  Speaker 2: think I've brought this up before, but back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Blow had a website called Arrow in the Head
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  Speaker 2: and they were kind of like Bloody Discussing before Bloody Discussing.
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  Speaker 2: They did horror movie news and all kinds of stuff
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  Speaker 2: on there, and I loved it when when I was
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  Speaker 2: young and they had a Kill of the Day, which
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  Speaker 2: was like these Windows media files every day that you
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  Speaker 2: could watch a different kill. And that's how I found
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  Speaker 2: Tenebray when I was young, because they did the arm
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  Speaker 2: scene at the end. Oh yeah, they put that up.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember watching the Raft or the Canoe scene
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  Speaker 2: from The Burning and just thinking, I have to see
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  Speaker 2: this movie. Like I watched that scene so many times
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  Speaker 2: and still to this day, and we'll talk about it more.
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  Speaker 2: The canoe scene in this movie is one of the
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  Speaker 2: few slasher movie scenes that genuinely kind of like make
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  Speaker 2: me feel queasy. And it's not the amount of violence,
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  Speaker 2: it's the savagery of it, yeah, which I think is
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  Speaker 2: the true nature of this movie anyway. But I want
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  Speaker 2: to ask, and I'm just gonna go around with who
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  Speaker 2: I can see and order, Chuck, what was your first experience,
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  Speaker 2: like with The Burning?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, up until like the whole pandemic, I was
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  Speaker 4: just a casual, like you know, horror watcher. But when
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  Speaker 4: all that happened, you know, that's when I started like
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  Speaker 4: deep diving more into the horror genre. And I was
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: just kind of going around looking at like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: top movies you should watch that you haven't really heard of,
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  Speaker 4: and The Burning was one of them. So immediately purchased
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  Speaker 4: it and that was like my first instance of seeing
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  Speaker 4: it was like back in twenty twenty and fell in
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  Speaker 4: love with the movie. It's just the brutality of it
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  Speaker 4: and the whole campgrounds like setting, very reminiscent of Friday
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  Speaker 4: the Thirteenth for me, because yeah, but yeah, that was
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  Speaker 4: my first experience with The Burn, and then it's just
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  Speaker 4: the movie I rewatch probably two or three times a year. Now, Wow, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 4: that's a lot. So yeah, that's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Steve, what about you? Man?
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  Speaker 5: I felt like when I initially watched The Burning, it
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  Speaker 5: was kind of discovering other camp slashers as a result
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  Speaker 5: of the Thirteenth. So I was just looking for other
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  Speaker 5: similar movies kind of in that same vein grew up
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  Speaker 5: on prior the Thirteenth. Those movies just meant so much
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  Speaker 5: to me, and I started really digging into it especially.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was like right around in high school,
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  Speaker 5: trying to figure out, like maybe there's other movies kind
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  Speaker 5: of like a similar vibe. And then that's naturally when
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  Speaker 5: I found out about this and Madman and Sleepaway Camp.
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  Speaker 5: So but yeah, this is definitely a movie that I
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  Speaker 5: always revisit, especially this time of year, Like it's once
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  Speaker 5: you start getting those summer vibes going, I feel like
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  Speaker 5: this is like the perfect movie to throw on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agreed, And Mark, what about you? Your
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  Speaker 2: your first experience with the Burning. What was that like?
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  Speaker 7: My first experience with The Burning was also in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 7: I around that time, I was getting you know, we
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  Speaker 7: were getting like stimulus checks and stuff, right, so, you know,
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  Speaker 7: I was I was buying a lot of I was
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  Speaker 7: buying a lot more physical media than than I am today.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: And The Burning was one of the films I bought.
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: I bought, you know, I would anytime Scream Factory would
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: have a sale, OU would buy like five or six
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: of those titles, and most of them would be blind Byes,
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: and The Burning was one of them. You know, I
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: had heard about it for a long time and finally
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: just you know, bought that Scream Factory Blue ray.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: So yeah, twenty twenty would have been the first time
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: I saw it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: And you know, for context, always knew of Friday the
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: thirteenth growing up, just like most of us. You know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: it's sort of an evergreen thing. I feel like even
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: people who aren't horror fans kind of like what we were saying, Chris,
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: everyone's at least heard of Friday the thirteenth, So and
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: then yeah, it was I could see the sort of
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: the same some of the same DNA despite this actually
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: coming technically first, as far as pre pre production goes.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's It's always been one of those
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: movies that I felt like, what is a little bit
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: of like a I always felt like I had like
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the one up by knowing it because people will be like, oh, yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: it's like Friday thirteenth. I love Friday thirteenth, and I'm like, man,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I personally I think the burning is better, like I
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: always have than the first Friday at thirteenth at least. Yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: but you know, always felt that way, and there's a
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: ton of there, Like, in my opinion, there was a
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: lot of talent behind this movie as well as one
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: thing that I don't want to bring up as much
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is the producers, the wine Steines were behind this movie,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: you know, And this commentary just to kind of give
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like a broad view. So the commentary I watched on
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the screen Factory four K release, which looks fantastic by
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the way, was with director Tony Mayleem and journalist Alan Jones.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Alan Jones is a terrific journalist and he does a
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: fantastic job kind of moderating, leading the conversation. But this
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: isn't a commentary that I think is very educational or
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: like very eye opening. Yeah, you can. Everything that you
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: find out in this commentary you can learn on pretty
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: much like a Wikipedia trip to read about this movie.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: The thing that was most interesting to me was the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: fact that he hadn't watched this movie in twenty five years. Yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it's wild, which is pretty crazy. But so you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: this commentary was was good, and you know it was good,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: It was Okay, We've definitely taken the dive into much
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: better commentaries on this show before. But this leads me
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to another question before we get into key players, because
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking about this, Do you guys
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: think so on the show? Obviously we do deep dives, right, Like,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that's what we try to accomplish here. Do you guys
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: think all movies are worthy of deep critical analysis?
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Do you think The Burning is a movie that deserves
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: conversation deeper than Okay? Yeah, it's a it's a campground
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: slasher movie. That's about it. It's you know. And the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: only reason I asked this is because I get messages
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: from people that say, like, how are you gonna How
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: are you gonna talk about The Burning in depth? It's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: just a plain old regular slasher, and I disagree, So
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to throw that out to you guys.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You know, whoever wants to tackle this one does just
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: kind of see what you guys think.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like we were kind of talking
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: about this earlier that what I find more interesting, like
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: interesting about this than anything is a discussion that you
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: can have. Obviously, you know, Halloween laid the groundwork down
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: for more of like the common Slashers that we all
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: know and love. But to see a lot of these
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: films that came as a result of that, so you're
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Friday the thirteenth mad Man, this film, you know, amongst others,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: it's just so interesting to see how that influenced so
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: many other films that followed. So in my eyes, I
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: feel like it does warrant that discussion. I don't. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: feel like that there is something that this film brings
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: to the table that you can have some discourse over.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that's kind of where I'm at on it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, if film is art and art is to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: be discussed, I guess that's kind of how I can
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: sum it up for me. I don't know, Mark, what
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: do you think?
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, look at the end of
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: the day, I'm going to have more to say about
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: some horror films than others, but that doesn't mean that
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: they're not without merit if I can't necessarily talk about
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: it for you know, ninety two minutes to two hours.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: Or something like that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Right, But now with The Burning, I definitely think that
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: there's a lot to talk about, especially with how it
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: relates to other of its others, of its peers, right
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: of its of its colleagues, if you, if you will,
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: movies like Sleepway Cam, movies like Madman. I think that
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of interesting conversations that you can have
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: as far as how they all kind of relate to
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: each other.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, Chuck. What do you think you're
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: you kind of on the same same wavelengths?
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm on the same robot as you guys.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, we're all in the same raft.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: We're all the same raft. That'd be fun.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Huh, Oh my god, somebody's not pulling their weight. Let's uh,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: let's get into uh talking about some key players here
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: behind the Burning, because I think there's a there's some
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: really good conversation here. Obviously we've already said it. Directed
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: by Tony Mayleem I did. I'm not really too familiar
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: with much else he directed. I know his his actorial
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: premiere was a movie called The Riddle of the Sands
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: and the seventies. You know, not really too familiar with
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: anything outside of that. Nothing that really like popped into
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: my mind or came into you know, like like stood
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: out to me. But I think The Burning is a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: very well directed film. I mean, there's this movie always
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to me had like a little bit of a like
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: a like a what's the word I'm looking for, like
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a bigger budget feel than it actually has, especially in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the directing. So I thought, obviously clearly he did a
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: good job, which we can get into a little bit later.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: This was written by Peter Lawrence. Again, the only things
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I recognized from him was he wrote Johnny quest And
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and he wrote for Silverhawks. So interesting background there to
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: lead to writing The Burning. This movie was shot by
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Harvey Harrison, who shot another screen another movie that I
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: discovered through screen Factory, American Gothic. Yeah. He also shot
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: The Witches with Angelicie Houston. So good there. One of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: my favorite components of this movie. Uh. This movie was
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: composed by Rick Wakeman, who also did the score for
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Creep Show two, so very dude. And the music in
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: this movie rules. I don't care.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say the score is awesome.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: It is very good.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this score rules hard. Here is my favorite tidbit.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Though this movie was edited by Jack Shoulder. They directed
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Nightmare and Elm Street two, Freddy's Revenge, an underrated sequel
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: in the Night, and Alone in the Dark. This was
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the first major feature that Jack Shoulder edited. I thought
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that was really interesting to have somebody like that, because
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you only Nightmare. I'm Street two was like five years
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: after this. Was that eighty six?
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I think that's eighty five?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah it was. It was very quick turn
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: around from Elm Street so I'm Street was eighty four. Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I thought that was super interesting. Man. And then of
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: course makeup effects. We have Tom Sevignie, the man himself perfection.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Dude.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Wait, can we let's talk about this real quick. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Tom Sevigni turns down Friday the Thirteenth, Part two because
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: he's like Jason's dead, and he actually says in an
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: interview that's on the Burning Bonus Features that there's no
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: reason to watch any Friday the thirteenth movie after the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: first one, and then he says, but maybe the fourth
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: one because I came back for that because what's amazing
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to me is so of course, I think his big
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: kickoff is Dawn of the Dead, right classic masterpiece. His
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: work on that movie incredible. He goes on do Friday thirteenth.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: The Burning comes out the next year, but a lot
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: less than a year later. The difference in the effects
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: from Friday the Thirteenth to The Burning is astounding.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Takes a big jump, dude, it's totally.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, just compare the Annie slip throat scene in
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Friday the Thirteenth and the slit throat scene in this movie,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and it's like a totally different mm hm. It's it's crazy, man,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the jump in quality and effects.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: He was on a pretty tight schedule, too, wasn't he.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he was. Sound think this movie
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: had the pleasure of a flexible production timing.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: I believe it was like the production because of the
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: months that they were trying to shoot between. I think
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: that that's that's where like, the uh, production time frame
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: was pretty tight.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, dude, they're every and of course, now,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: like you know, we have the movie uncut. The burning
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: was a video nasty, so this movie was banned at
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: one point over in Europe. But now to have it
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: fully uncut. Every single kill in this movie is so like, relentlessly.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Brutal, very mean spirited.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, garden cheers alone are a vicious choice.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I just I like how we upgrade it from this
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the large scissors to the garden shears. I thought that
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: was nice.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And then in the beginning with the process you yeah, yeah, yeah, which,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: by the way, is it's super cool because when I
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: was watching, when I was rewatching the movie doing research,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I love how shallow like that first kill is when
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: he gets out of the hospital.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely love Yeah, yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's very shallow. The atmosphere, it's very, very very shallow.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And then of course obviously the iconic rap I've seen.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Savigni's effects are wild, which is funny because when you
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: learn the secrets behind all these effects, like the you
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you get a peek behind the magic, you know what
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I mean. You can you can see like the holding
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: up the fake hands to cut their fingers off. You
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: can see the you know, the fake body laying there
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: molded in with the head and when the blade goes
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: through the knife like, but every effect in this movie
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: is still super nasty and.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Gross and super graphic. Sup.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Like, right before we went live, I was rewatching the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: rapt I was actually watching a video. There's a YouTuber
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: just called Carnage Count and he just did like it
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: went through all the kills and I forget her name,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: but whatever, the girl is at the end of the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: raft scene that he just like cuts her head open
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: real quick and she falls out. Oh dude, it's so gross.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Man cuts the red Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Movie man, But what I find interesting and let's let's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: use this as a segue to really get into this movie.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: The Burning to me feels like a much more authentic
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: camp movie to me than most others at the time.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, Madman to me is kind of like again
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: another ultimate you know, campfire tale movie. That movie feels
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: like camp. The Burning, if you if you took out,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: so when you have, you clearly have the opening prank.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You know, Crops gets burnt. You know, he goes into
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the hospital, which, by the way, man, like, can you
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: imagine being a new doctor and being dragged into that unit?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Right, the guy just going y know, you've gotta see this.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you won't be back after you see this.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Come take a look.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: What's he say? He's like, how are you gonna work
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: on the ICU? He's like, you you'll never see something
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: crazy in this?
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: Very Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: I will say I feel like some of that stuff
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: he feels a little out of place to me. Not
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: that I dislike it or anything, but I don't know.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: It's maybe it might just be that actor is a
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: little over the top and tonally it just feels odd,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: but it is. It's an interesting way to start the movie,
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: that's for sure.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: If if you had told me that up until the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: raft scene, this was originally just a campground like sex
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: drama or sex comedy drama that they just added horror
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: slasher elements into, I would have fully believed you. Because
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: this feels like a It was purposely made like a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: you know, a summer camp movie, and then they were like, oh,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: we can add a killer, and we can do that
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: through additional photography. That's what it feels like because this
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: movie for the first half is so focused on the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: camp and the members of the camp, you know who
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: we would go on to to know when to love
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: so much, and everybody's everybody's incredibly believable in their roles.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: The only one to me that that feels like a
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: a movie character is Glazier because he's so over the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: top in his attitude.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, he's almost like a cartoon bully kind of.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: When he shows up. He's just got like that smug face.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Everything he said, this movie's so New York.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, the accent is what did it
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: for me? I love the accent he had, And then
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Jason Alexander's character like mocking him talking that way, just
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the icing on the cake.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Can I ask you guys, so, did it feel like
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: I was kind of surprised when I found out like
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: production this took place in like various camps throughout like
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: the New York area. Did you guys think that that
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: it was filmed out there like on your initi'll watch.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, growing up living in New Jersey and growing
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: up in a in like a kind of around like
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: a rural suburb, I didn't even believe that the first
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth took place in New Jersey, you know
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: what I mean? But now now it's funny because when
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I watch Friday the thirteenth. Having been to that campground,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: it's like the most New Jersey thing I've ever seen
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in my life, you know what I mean to me,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that's like the perfect visual representation of of that area
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: of New Jersey.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: That's a camp Nobs right, Yeah, yep, Yeah, I've been
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: there as well.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: It's awesome.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually did. I've been to. The diner was
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: featured in the first movie We We Got lunched or no,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: we got breakfast there, I think, and they offer really
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: cool so that well that I think. I'm pretty sure
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the eight twenty four prequel series is shooting up there now. Oh,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: there are another Camp Wonder in that area up there.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they do these really cool like tours where
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: they'll have like Harry Medford Manfordini out there and you
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: can go and watch Friday the thirteenth at the campground
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it was filmed and stuff.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: So able to get out to that one day, that's sick.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: It was very cool.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: I actually have a bottle of water with filled with
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: crystal lake water, so it's like I keep it over
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: on my dresser.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Dude, but go off your question, Steve.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: It like it makes sense for them to do it
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: in New York just because the fact that that's where
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: the legend of crops he originated from was those campgrounds,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: and you know New York and parts of Jersey.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels like northern New York because you have
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: New York City and then you have New York State.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: This feels like New York State. Yeah, haven't been up there.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: It's funny. It's funny knowing it now though, because it's
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: the same with Friday the thirteenth. For me, this feels
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: like the equivalent of, like, you know, being in Michigan.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I feel like if you were to go like far
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: up north, has very similar vibes. So it's I guess
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: gets the you know, the point across. I guess with
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: what they're trying to do for the environment.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: What I wonder is because they shot this at various campgrounds,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I guess it was was the main camp in the
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: first half of the movie. Was that all one location?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Or were they like shooting it at various ones, because
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: when they leave the camp to go on there, it's
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like weird when they leave the camp to go on
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: there like camping trip, you know. I guess that's where
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: there's a switch in location.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Right, it looks like there was some some filming locations
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: that took place in Buffalo, the Hudson River, and then
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: a couple of various camp scenes were shot at real
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: summer camps.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: From what I noted, Yeah, it looks like Camp Scout
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Haven in Freedom and Camp Stonehaven in Ransomville.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Lot of Camp Haven's out that way, huh. I guess so, dude, can't.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I could wipe my ass with
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a leaf, just saying not at this point in my life.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Now I know my luck.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: I pick up poison IVY and it'd be getting over
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: for me.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: The US is going to have to come out there.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: It would not be ideal, that's for sure.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but everything about this movie feels incredibly authentic. And
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I love opening, like, you know, those first shots at
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the camp where they're playing baseball. Love that so much.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Everything feels everything feels very believable. And it takes a
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: while for this movie to really get going once you're
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: at the camp, because you have the burn scene in
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: the hospital scene to establish that Cropsy got out, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: then the baseball scene you have Cropsy kind of lingering
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: around the woods watching somebody awfully try to act like
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: they can't find the baseball and as he watches. But
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: once we get in the campground, everything feels so authentic.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, even down to the peeping Tom scene in
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: the shower, you know what I mean, Like that does
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: feel and I love. One thing I love is the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: reaction to that, how he is like touted and called
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: as a as a how Urfred is like the response
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: to the scene of him peeping, you know what I mean,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the response of them being mad calling him a creep.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Like that was nice because I feel like so many
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: movies from this era just let characters like that slide
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: because oh they're just being kids.
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: And oh yeah, they definitely make a big they make
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: it a point to kind of make that a plot
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: point and you know, have him get punished and stuff.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they do. And one thing that's funny that
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I found funny during the commentary is how Tony Mayleem
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: said the difference between Carrick Glenn, who played Sally in
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the shower sequence, and I believe it was it might
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: have been it was either no, it was Carolyn Hulhan.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I think there are two nude scenes. The difference between
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: those actresses and how they approached it like Krck was
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: very open and like yeah, cool, yeah, like do whatever
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you need. I'm good just being this way. And then Carolyn,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: on the other hand, was very nervous, very reserved about it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I just felt like that was such an odd observation
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: to bring up. But yeah, she was fine with me
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: having a camera right up against her in the shower,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: but then the actress was not okay with it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, then it was kind of weird.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, we just had to like explain to her.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you know, we've seen naked women before.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: This is nothing new to us. And it's like, oh, that's.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: On one hand, like it is, you know, that's probably
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: how it is on most big movie sets, right, you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: everyone's professional, and you know it's it's nothing we haven't
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: seen before, YadA, YadA. But yeah, no, it was. It
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: did seem a little odd. I'll just say the thing
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: about this commentary that I noticed and you guys have
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: watched and you know, discussed more of these than I have,
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: so you have a larger basis for comparison. But yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: when I listened to it, you get the sense to
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: Tony Meyleem. You know, he's never made any more horror
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: films after this. This was this was the only one
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: he ever did, and he just isn't really a horror fan.
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: Just kind of based on the discussions that he had,
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: not that he doesn't like the movie or anything like that,
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: but you know, so.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't.
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: It wasn't very insightful as far as you know, perhaps
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: some of the things we as horror fans would have
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: liked to have heard him talk about.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really hard to because some of these
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: movies just don't have like the juicy stories, you know
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: what I mean, they don't, and there's really not a
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: lot of I imagine, you know, if you had a
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: commentary with Tom Savini or you had a commentary with cinematographer,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: there'd be very different approaches to how to discuss the movie.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: But I feel like this is such a straight up
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: slasher Like to me, this is leans much further away
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: from heart. It's not scary, you know what I mean,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: there's not very much scary about this movie. It is
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: literally just stalk and slash. Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: It is to the point stalk and slash and you
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: don't even get to that the iconic raft scene until
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: like forty minutes into this movie. And then once that happens,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the movie doesn't stop, you know what I mean. It
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: kicks off in one explosive event and then it just goes, goes, goes, goes,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: goes until the end. So to me, this is not
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: a movie that had the will to try to scare you.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: It was just because you have Friday thirteenth that comes
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: out right. Friday thirteenth starts as a marketing campaign, it
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: comes out Friday thirteen. To me, is not a scary
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: movie until Missus Vorhees shows up and she reveals her identity.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: That's when that movie gets scary to me, because you're
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: literally seeing the unraveling of a woman who's essentially now
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Say crazy, but she's a little unhinged.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Right yeah, And this is the result of what she's
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: been through, something that I think is going to be
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: explored in that you know, a twenty four show, but
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you know you're you're seeing the result of that, and
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: to me, that's very scary. So I always had that
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: reaction to it. There's nothing in the burning that I'm like, oh,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: that's scary and maybe except the actual image of cropsy.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: They save that, you know, for the end, don't they.
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: So that's sort of the build up for the majority
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: of the run time, it's like, what does this guy
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: look like?
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Now? Yeah?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. It's because I always think about
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: anytime there's this element of somebody who's been badly injured
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and we're not seeing it, the audience is probably gonna
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: be like, the hell are they talk about? I always
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: think of the scene in the early two thousands Fantastic
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Four movie when uh, what's his name? Who's the doctor?
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: No?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, the guy turns into stone Ben the thing, Yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the thing when he's walking down the street and people
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: are like oh, and they're like hiding from China. Like
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: that's just, for some reason what my brain always goes to.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It's like a comparison point. But to me, let's let's
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: just get into the raft scene because this movie it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: not like, it's not like Friday thirteenth, where it's established like, Okay,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: people are gonna get killed off one by one Friday thirteenth.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: By the time you get a half hour and you're
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: already three three deaths, in right, and we're kind of
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: understanding the formula. The burning makes its time getting to it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: We see it because we see Cropsy kind of lurking around,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and we have the kill in the beginning, and the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: raft scene is the scene that kicks it all off,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and it's like the explosion and then the rest of
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the movie is just particles coming out of that explosion.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: It just goes to me, I'm trying to figure out
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: how to word what I'm trying to say right now,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: it works much better in a realistic sense that this
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: is how it would go, right, Like in real life,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: there would be an event that then kicks off this
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: this chain of terrible events after terrible events, right, Because
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: it's funny to meet well one, it's really funny to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: me that he hid in that raft and was like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: all right, they're gonna come in.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: Dirty underneath the railing of the raft. You know, I'm
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: just out of sight, like hunkered down.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, all right, all right, here they come.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Keep himself exposed to the sun with all those burns
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: on him too.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah good?
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: That probably that probably angered him even more.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: What what SPF do you think, crops? He needs?
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: Dude?
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: They don't make it whatever he needs.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: They don't make it like three hundred if he.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Can't even get sunburned anymore, the sun and the sun
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: can't even get to him, man, no more. But no,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: it's a perfect idea, Like he pretty much like, let's
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: lets this select group of kids get isolated, and then
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: he just uses that opportunity, he lets the canoes loose.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: He probably thinks like, Okay, yeah, they're gonna come for them.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And me, honestly, bro, I would have never thought like
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: when when when Todd goes, uh oh yeah, we'll just
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: all right start grabbing sticks, We'll build a raft. I'm like,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: first of all, I would never be I would die here,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: like I would never with the bowl of raft like
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: they in no way that's ever happening. And they build
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the raft and they go and they find it, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I love, dude, the music in this scene, this slow
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: pulsing of the score to build the tension. And there's
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: something about the way the raft scene is shot that's
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: so cool to me because you keep it keeps going
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: back and forth from these medium shots of our characters
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: on the raft. They see the canoe and they're pushing
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: towards it. And it keeps cutting to these wider shots
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: of the canoe just floating in the middle of the water,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and it builds like this really good tension. Yeah, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: it does this. It's one of those scenes where like,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: clearly they're getting closer, but it seems like they never
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: are because of how they're cutting it to make it
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: seem like, build it up, build it up. And they
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: get closer and then you hear someone say like, oh,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: grab it, grab it. And then you have that iconic
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: shot of the silhouette him jumping up, shears in the air,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: you have the scream reaction, and then it's just a
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: massacre and it happens in like like a blink of
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: an eye.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: It's so gory.
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it has the sense of urgency to it, like
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: you said, and it just crescendos into this you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: whirlwind of gore and uh, you know, the thing I
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: really love about this this whole sequence is, for one thing,
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: you don't often see a lot of kills in horror
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: films in the day in the daytime, and the vibe
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: prior to that is they're having so much fun and
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: it's they couldn't they couldn't be more unsuspecting of what's coming,
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: which you know, adds to this other tragic element to it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: And the other thing is that a lot of times
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: you don't see multiple people being killed. Usually it's the
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: stalk and slash, like Chris said, and one victim at
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: a time, and Cropsy just says, fuck it, I'm just
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: gonna take them all out at once. And that's just
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: something you don't see in in most slasher films, let
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: alone your camp slasher film.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's most shocking to me, is that he
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: takes out what for people, Yeah, in one go and
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the one girl we don't even actually like, we don't
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: even really see what happens to her because she just
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: falls in the he like slashes and she falls into
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the water. But this scene so expertly cutting back to
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: that silhouette of him raising back up, and then you
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: see the impact on somebody else, like Eddie getting knocked back,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and the shears going through like his what what's that
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: called right here like right below your neck. It's pretty
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: much like, yeah, it's almost like the sternum that he
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: pushes through, and you have the you know, the shot
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: like we talked about earlier with the fake Torso, so
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: that way you could actually see that the garden cheers
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: plummet in you have him spinning up the blood, and
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: then you have poor my god, I'm trying to remember
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: what his name is, Chris Stevens. Yeah, with that shot
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: of his hands up and then just fingers gone, like it, dude,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: This scene just it happens so fast, but it also
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: kind of feels like it doesn't end quick enough because
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: it just keeps cutting back and forth from these shots.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I still think this is one of
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: my favorite most effective kill sequences that come out of
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: the eighties.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: I'd agree with that. It's it's like a masterclass of
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Tom Savini's work. Yeah, that you're seeing for that that
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: entire sequence.
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say this whole sequence pretty much clears
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: anything in the first.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: Friday the Thirteenth movie.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Mm hm.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: I mean yeah, I as far as this movie versus
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: that movie, I think.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: This wins all day.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: I don't know how hot of a take that is.
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: I probably put part two Friday the Thirteenth over this,
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: but I mean this is definitely better than I would
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: say probably half of the Friday the Thirteenth franchise for me,
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: so yeah, I think that's him phraise right there.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: I would going off what Mark was saying, I feel
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: like the pacing is a little bit better with this film.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: It feels like, obviously there's a little bit of a
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: build up at the very beginning, but I'm not gonna lie.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's parts of the original Friday the Thirteenth
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: where it's like, man, it takes takes a little while
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: to get going like that outside of like the opening scene.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: It yeah, it does. But if you're gonna build up,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: this canoe scene is what you need to build up to. Yeah,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: you need to have the payoff. It's worth it the way,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and yeah, this scene is totally worth any bit of
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: because I will admit the first forty minutes of this movie,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I there were a couple of times where I found
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: myself kind of like picking up my phone real quick,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because you know what you're
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: gonna get to. You know, these people are gonna get
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: killed off. And even though I think the movie does
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a pretty good job at establishing these characters, they still
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: are your typical trope characters, you know what I mean.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: They're they're here to play the role of who you
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: see in slasher movies.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: Let me ask you guys though, as far as like
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: atmosphere goes. You know, you guys were talking about Friday
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: the thirteenth, Which film out of this captured that camp
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: aesthetic better in your opinion?
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: I have to say burning all day, and I can
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: elaborate a little bit. It's the thing about the Friday
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: the thirteenth is that it's always the counselors, right, it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: not even the kids. And this movie you get to
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: see they take great They placed a great amount of
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: importance on showing the kids doing camp activities.
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: You're seeing them play.
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: Games, you know, hit on girls, eat food in the
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: in the rex, the rex, the mess hall or whatever
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: it is, and you know in their bunks talking to
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: each other. You you get a lot of that, and
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: the fact that their kids places it it makes it
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: so that the danger feels more real. Friday the thirteenth,
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: you know, they're all more or less adults, and these
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: are just kind of kids and they're not really equipped
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: to deal with with cropsy. So yeah, I think this
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: definitely clears Friday the thirteenth in that regard. And yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: just seeing the campers doing camp related things, I can't
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: stress enough how much that goes a long way towards,
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: you know, making what eventually happens to them that much
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: more impactful.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what's funny in this. I feel like in
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like in The Burning specifically, Michelle and Todd
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: feel more like camp counselors than anybody in front of
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: their teenth too. Yeah, Like they even, like I said earlier,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: even Todd being like, all right, start grabbing six, let's
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: build this. I'm like, that's who I want. If I'm
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: going to be, yeah in the woods, you know what
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I mean. If I'm going to be a camp I'm
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: confident being with that guy.
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: And the thing is, like in the Friday of the
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: Thirteenth movies, what you're lacking is that dynamic between counselor
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: and camper, and The Burning has that in spades, and
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: you really don't get that in I think the only
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: Friday of the Thirteenth that has campers is part six, Right,
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: So yeah, and you get you And that's why I
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: would argue that's one of the better ones because you
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: get some of that. That danger is more there's something
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: more different about that danger when there's actual kids, you know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: in peril. I think that's something that they should have
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: leaned into more.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and the I mean, honestly, I don't feel
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: like you have to really stretch too hard to capture
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the atmosphere of camp. You just need to shoot in
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the daylight. Like in my opinion, this is what this
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: movie looks like. I feel like what Camp would look
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: like when I'm standing there. It's bright, It's exactly you
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, It's colorful, there's the highlights. You
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: there is really good sound design in this movie. You
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: feel like you're in the woods, you know. Camp. Camp
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: to me is much more this style than it is
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like the FDA that Friday the thirteenth aesthetic, you know
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: what I mean. Even to me, little things are important,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Like you have the great sequence with all the girls
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: when they're sitting around the table and like they're all
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: smoking cigarettes, Like they're all like this is their time
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: to just kind of do what they feel like the
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: adult thing to do is you know what I mean.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: It makes a little bit more relatable, like the tendencies
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: that they're showing in this compared to like the counselors.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, how many of us have been in that
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: position where you've been a camp counselor. I think that's
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: there's all about a disconnect at least at least how
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: I see it sometimes And.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Dude Friday thirteenth, like, it's so, I don't know, man,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Like I don't believe camp counselors will smoke weed and
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: play strip monopoly, you know what I mean, like that
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the movie thing.
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: To me, Yeah, I.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Much more believe a bunch of you know, teenage girls
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: sitting around in their bunk sneaking cigarettes than I do
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: playing strip Monopoly and smoking weed, you know what I mean.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: It feels like more of a reason to have another
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: like nude scene essentially than adding any type of like
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: value to that that sequence or scene or whatever the
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: case is. But I don't know. Sometimes also I also
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: feel like, uh, camp slashers and nudity kind of go
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: hand in hand.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like you, I feel like you
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: have to you know, it's just like one of.
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: Those I would say, nudity and slashers, not even the
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: camp thing, you know, especially at camp because there is
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: that element of skinny dipping and you know, just swimming
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: in general.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean what we haven't brought this up
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: yet on the podcast in this way yet, and I
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: feel like this is gonna get brought up in the
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: summer episode. But there's almost like a weird if I
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: watch a slasher movie and there isn't these weird little tropes,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: like there's no nudity, it almost feels incomplete to me,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Like it feels like to sanitized, you know what I mean.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: It's it's odd because I'm not watching it for that purpose,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: but it's like if you put on a war movie
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: and there's no war scenes, you know what I mean,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Like it's like there's like these little there's like these
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: little things that are just in the DNA, and clearly
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the burning really goes for that. I mean the scene
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: with Sally in the shower, the scene starts with her
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: in frame and then literally you can see the camera
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: step back and move down far enough so she's naked,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: you know, Like it does it.
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: Very like it's like voyeuristic almost.
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: That's exactly what I was gonna say, And it's I
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: think that's so intrinsically tied into it because you know
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: a lot of slashers is that POV perspective where we're
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: seeing the stalking taking place before the kills. It's like
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: a line stalking their prey. You know, it's just kind
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: of what they do. And yeah, it feels like it's
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: you know, it's part of the DNA, like you guys said.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like even to the point where, like recently I
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: watched Jason Goes to Hell because of the four K
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: and then they even went as far as to have
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: the undercover cop naked in that movie. And yeah, I
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: mean that's the actress who was in Roadhouse, who we've
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: seen nude before, you know what I mean. But you know,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: they even went as far as to like set up
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: this scene so authentically. They're like, yeah, we have to
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: have her get naked to get in the shower.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: I checked the box.
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: It's very self aware in that regard.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just a part of what this
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: movie is. And then later on with I still think
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: it was Karen, Right, that's the actress I'm thinking of
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that's in the that's in the swimming scene with Eddie. Right, Yeah, okay, okay, yeah,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: so I was right. Okay, So Carolyn Helene, you have
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: her and Eddie, who alone, Eddie is like the biggest
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: jerk off in this whole movie, Like.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: I don't understand how he manages to pull Sally like
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: she's so resistant towards the end then she's like whatever.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is like I can I honestly, if
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you had to give me to, I would hang out
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: with Glazer over over this dude, right, This dude reminds
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: me of like this gumbag on a on a New
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: York stoop that's like cat calling women that nobody ever
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: wants to, you know, really talk to.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: So it's like the chat out of the group. Dude.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: This guy, yeah, he and he, I mean, look, he's funny.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Net Eisenberg is funny. He does play this role up.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: He hams it up. It's great. But I remember even
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: my wife during this scene with Sally was like, God,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: he's so pushy and it's so aggravating. And what's more
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: aggravating is that she gives into it to a certain extent,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: you know, because for some reason she finds something about
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: him that's that's charming or whatever reason. And then again
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: we have a character getting naked and skinny dipping, you
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, you have it's like, I don't know, man,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: he that character pisses me off so much. Dude, like
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: the whole movie. I'm like, God, this guy sucks man,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: this guy I don't know. He dies during the raft scene.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: So we're going we're going back in time here. But
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: what's more aggravating to me than anything else in this
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: movie is the fact that even Glazer gets it on
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: in this goddamn movie, and that is the cringiest scene
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: in this whole movie.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that that's it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Got when she said that.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: So yeah, Chris, I know you were talking about some
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: of the tropes that you look for, especially in like
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: camp slashers or just slashers in general. But one one
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: scene that I just absolutely adore so much, and it's
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: like this with Friday the Thirteenth and mad Man, is
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: when they're all huddled around the campfire. There's just something
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: about that that just feels so intrinsic to like this
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: specific subgenre of horror films that I don't know. And
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: then you come, you obviously come. It's like a full
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: circle moment towards the end of it. But yeah, it's
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: just a little touch on the film that I just
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: really appreciated. For this or any of the other ones
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: I mentioned.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: It's so good dude, like even you know, like if
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I think about like Friday thirteenth, part two, or like
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: the beginning of mad Man beginning, you know, and to me,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: it all kind of ties into even like John Carpenter's
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: The Fog, you know, when he's telling the ghost story,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Like there's something to these scenes that I feel like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: we don't get anymore. This is like a lost a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: lost piece of it. And what's even more interesting is
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: that this movie is based on a real legend that's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: told around real campfires and has been for a long time.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: So can I speaking of that? Can I ask you, guys,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: were you familiar with cropsy as like the urban legend
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: before you guys saw this movie, or like, had you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: heard anything about that beforehand?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: I've never heard of it before.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: Now, No, I never knew that this was the thing.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Apparently, I feel like I feel like I had. I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: just can't remember how or why. Like I don't know.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like at some point in
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: my life as a kid, like reading haunted stories or
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: like reading Weird New Jersey, or I guess because being
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: so close to New York, there must have been some
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: way that I heard about it. And so because the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: name Cropsy was always so familiar to me, and then
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: when I watched the Burning, I was like, Oh, I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: know that name, but I wasn't too familiar with the.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: Story because I remember hearing the name of it, and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: I guess the urban legend is rooted from Staten Island,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: and so I just did a little bit of digging
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: on this. But the legend of Cropsy tells of a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: deranged killer or escape mental patient who kidnaps children. So
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: they say that it's either in parks schools, summer camps,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: and it's kind of like you go from there, And
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: this was like something that had This is like a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: little bit more relevant to the time that this was filmed,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: but it was especially strong on Staten Island in the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: seventies and eighties. So it makes sense, I feel like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: in a way, like it makes sense that this was
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: something that influenced this movie. And I don't know, I
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: just thought that that touch was interesting because it adds
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: like an extra layer to the storytelling for this film
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: for sure.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a couple iterations of the tale. You
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: came up with that one, but the one I came
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: upon was told the story of a judge who had
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: a lakeside house and like his wife and two kids
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: would go there during the summer and whatnot. And one day,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: two campers from a nearby campground snuck off to go
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: make their own bonfire and like rose marshmallows and stuff
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: and cause this whole like barse fire that ended up
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: killing the Judges family, and that just drove him insane.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: So from that point on he would stalk and kill
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: kids that wander too far from the campground. So it's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: just crazy how many like different iterations that they're taken
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: from these stories and putting it into the burning and stuff.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: I think, like at its roots, there's a lot about
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: the you know, however you interpret the legend, but there's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: a lot that you could kind of inject into the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: DNA of this movie. It's cool obviously the direction that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: they went with it, because I don't see anything in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: there where they have like uh guard and shears that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: they're used as a weapon of choice. But you know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: it's it's kind of like a cool spin on the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: urban legend.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And to me, you know, these urban legends
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: are always designed to you know, frighten kids from doing
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: things right, Like I mean, I mean I remember growing
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: up in the town I grew up in, and we
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: had this this story of a guy who was homeless
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that lived in the woods and some kids had done
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: something to them, and you know, that made us afraid
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: of the woods forever until we were old enough to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: realize that like that never happened, you know, because I
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: think I remember talking to somebody who was older from
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: the town and they were like, oh, you believe that shit,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Like that's a story they tell They keep the kids
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: out of the woods at night, you know, you know
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: what I mean, doing stupid shit. If I was a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: kid and you told me about the Cropsy Maniac, I'd
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: be terrified. I would not be be honest with you, guys.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I would not. There was no way. I do want
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: to ask you as a question though, because according to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Tony Maleem, originally there was a lot more footage of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Cropsy in the movie. Do you guys think it's better
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: that that they withheld him were his appearance until the end,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: because it obviously helps that payoff, you know what I mean,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: to make him more elusive and hidden and stuff like that.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: I feel like less less is more.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's kind of like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: the I feel like we're still coming out of the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: We're still not understanding the full impact of like the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Jaws effect, you know what I mean, which is building
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: that suspense and not truly showing everything until the end.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of things because I've been I've been
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: reading a little bit just kind of while we're talking
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: about some kind of getting some like trying to figure
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: out stuff that wasn't mentioned in the commentary because you know,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: like we mentioned the commentary wasn't really all of that informative.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: One thing that I that I I'm reading right now though,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: is that Carolyn Hulhan had previously previously been Miss Ohio
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: and yeah nine prior to filming this, which is very
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: very cool. How do you guys feel this? Does Jason
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Alexander kind of take you out of the movie a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: little bit? Or do you think he just fits right in?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: I Mean, I'm not used sim having a full head
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: of hair, so that part it's kind of like I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: almost looked past it a little bit. But hey, he
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: definitely took off after after the burning.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like how he survived and went to uh
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean stayed in New York he just
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: went to the city.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I like, I like this character in
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: the movie. He was a good comic relief for it.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he was great. Like I love the scene
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: with the when glaciers on the he goes out to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: that little like raft with the girls. Dude, what is
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: that that they shoot him with? Like, I don't I
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: couldn't tell what that gun thing was, Probably like a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: BB gunner.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it must have been some sort of BB gun now.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just as it doesn't have some like CO two
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: element to it because it did kind of fire weird.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: So definitely hurt. You can tell Glazer got hurt.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: But it's one of those things that it just like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: adds to the authenticity. Like that whole scene. I just
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I was just smiling and laughing the whole entire time
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: seeing Glazier get hit, falling into the water, even the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: girls responding to it. You know, it's funny.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: If you if there's probably a way that you could
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: cut this movie into like an eighties like Boner comedy,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: like like a Last American Virgin kind of thing or
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: in summer. Yeah, like there's a cut of this that,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: like if you just trim out certain parts and maybe
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: rearrange some stuff and shoot twenty more minutes of footage
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: like you just have like a you know, camp rom
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: com or something.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: You know, that's for sure.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I completely agree. I mean, all the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: characters are funny. What's what's most of the meadow is
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: seeing Fisher Stevens in this and knowing that you know
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: he would go on. I mean, most noticeably to me,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: it was Short Circuit, which I had never even put
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: together the inappropriate uh you know casting of him in
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Short Circuit because it has been so long since I've
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: seen it. It was actually so long that when my
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: wife said that's the guy from Short Circuit, I was
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: like who, And she was like, the guy, the main guy.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: And I was like, wait, the guy that's supposed to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: be like Indian and she's like yeah, I'm like, what
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: are you talking about? The whitest kid I've ever seen
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: in my life?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: Like, yeah, they were doing all kinds of stuff like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: that back then. Man, not saying it was okay, but
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: that's just kind of where where That's just kind of
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: where we were.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: At different times.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was shocking to me. Another fun thing that
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: I think is really funny about this movie was the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: original end. So the original the original ending of this
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: movie was supposed to take place in a cave that
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: they actually went down and dropped equipment off into. But
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: then the cave collapsed yea at some point like overnight,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: So then they had to move it to an actual
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: abandoned copper mine, which is so odd that that was
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: just out there like that. But you know it's cool.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: You once this movie gets going and you have you know,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: glat which, by the way, I do want to add
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Glazier's death scene is fucking brutal. Man. Yeah, that's a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: wild sequence, like getting stabbed in the throat and then
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: picked up.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the jammed into a tree.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, jammed into a tree.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: I just want to know how did Cropsy have all
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: that muscle mass to do that.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Listen, bro, your body burned.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: Man, he was hulking out in that movie.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's fueled by rage.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I don't know, your body releases proteins
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: I guess when burned and healing, and then you just
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: developed super strength, man.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, explain it on the adrenaline and anger he was
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: feeling after getting out of the hospital.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny to me, the thought to me
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: that's funny is like how hot he would have been, Like,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: my man was out there wearing a full coat hat,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, must have been hot
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: Man, Absolutely, dude, in the middle of summer.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: It is literally smacked in middle of summer. Which that
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: the I know, we're kind of bouncing back and forth here.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: But the the reveal of the events that occurred on
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the raft when the raft floats back is an incredibly
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: disturbing scene. Oh yeah, yeah, like incredibly disturbing. The discovery
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: of the body, which I don't even Oh, the body
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: was on the raft, I think, right, Remember.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: There was a hand that came off the raft when
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: she went up to it. But then the body came
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: up out of the water.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where was that Addie attached to him? Was it
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: attached to the bottom of.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: The rat.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: It just right, Yes, that's what was.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Just comes out of the water. Yeah. The So what
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: do you guys think about the reveal the reveal of
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: cropsy put the make up, the burn effects, because I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: feel like Tom Savigni, obviously being a Vietnam War photographer,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: there is nobody I don't I don't even think still
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: to this day that has the real life I don't
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: want to say pleasure of, but having gone through what
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: he did and seeing what he saw, obviously that heavily
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: influenced his effects always throughout his career, and I think
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: most especially in like Day of the Dead, I think
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: it's really when that comes, you know, full And so
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: he specifically mentioned how he wanted to make the burn
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: effects in this be incredibly real and make the skin
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: tight and really bring a real appearance. And I think
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: it stands out among a lot of other burn victim
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: effects in movies still to this day. So what do
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: you guys think of the image of cropsy like that face?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: So I think it's very grotesque. It's definitely brutal looking.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: And I was surprised to hear that he wasn't really
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: happy with how it came out. Well he only had
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: three days, Yeah, three days, and he said he it
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: didn't look accurate enough to what actual burn victims looked like.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: I was like, you got it close enough. I think
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: he did really.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: Good on it, right. Yeah, Yeah, I was gonna say
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: I felt like the design. I mean, it's what I
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: imagine as somebody got pretty severe burns. I mean, I'm
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: not saying that that would be like to a t Yeah,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: but I mean, I mean, he's pretty disfigured. I don't know,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: it's hard to argue that.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you can take some liberty as far
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: as that's concerned, you know, as long as it's close enough.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: I almost don't want it to look like anatomically medically
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: accurate like I would rather it be a little heightened
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: for uh, for cinematic effect, especially if you're only gonna
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: have you know, he's only he's only got like a
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: couple of minutes of stream time where you're seeing the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: burned visage. I guess, so might as well go for it,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: you know, make it that that big reveal.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I don't like burns. I never have. Like that's always
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: if you want to disturb me in a movie, you know,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: show me something involving a burn. The seating that bothers
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: me most with him is the hand, the arm in
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: that beginning scene in the hospital.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say that that, out of those two,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: I'd say that was the more gnarly one to look at.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a great behind the scenes photo of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Tom Zavini with that actor you know, applying that makeup,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: and that makeup is gnarly looking, dude.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it looks like like pieces of paper, kind of
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: like his skin has this papery kind of feel.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: I was going to say it kind of looked like
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: a beef jerky to me. Yeah, it's just plastered on
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: his arms.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: Definitely gross.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, tasty.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super gross. I think, dude, Savini's effects are
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: just always you know, to this day, there's there's an
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: incredible amount of makeup artists out and makeup effects artists
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: that are doing great work. I mean, I wish we would.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: We're heading back in the direction, you know, I mean
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: of practical makeup effects. I mean, I think Damian Leoni
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: with Terrifier franchise is really leaning back into that. But
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: what Damian Leoni is doing and where we're kind of
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: heading with practical effects in the extreme sense, it just
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the same impact as as as these effects
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: to do. You know, no matter how much technology changes,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: and no matter how much how much better the actual
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: makeup gets, it just doesn't hold this same like to me,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: the Terrifier three shower scene, which was the most talked
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: about scene from that movie, is gratuitous. It doesn't hold
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: a candle to the impact that the kills in The
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Burning have, you know what I mean. There's just something
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: about these ones that really hit home. And I feel
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: like you have to talk about this because when you're
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: gonna talk about slashers, you have to talk about the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: kill scenes. That's the big shining thing. That's what everybody
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: goes in to watch, right and Savini just over and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: over again, captures it in a way that nobody else does.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: And there has to be a relationship between a director
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: and your effects artist, because the effects artist knows how
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: to shoot the effects to make them look best, and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: a director has to be willing to compromise to that
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: vision to make the effects work and look as good
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: as he could. And I think that's a huge standout
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: in The Burning.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, do you think you were referencing Damian Leoni,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: you know, with with the effects that he's done before,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: I almost feel like his are just so over the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: top that it almost sometimes takes me out of it
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: a little bit. It's more of like the like the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: shock value that's coming as a result of it. Whereas
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: I was to compare it to anything that Tom Savini's done.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: I mean it's more purposeful, you're I mean, it's it's
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: getting the point across, and especially for this movie, it's
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: it's kind of I mean, I think that they're more memorable,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: if anything, you know, I'm not, I'm not like horrified,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: but it's like I can appreciate, you know, the for
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: the work that he's done on each one of those scenes.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Terrifier movies are gross. I don't
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: think you can you know, they're they're they're pretty graphic
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: and gruesome and gnarly. I think the closest way to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: compare that is like everything in the Terrifier franchise feels
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: like the Lucio Fulci effect, which is the clear dummy,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: you know, laying on the floor. But in Folci movies,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: you forget, you kind of ignore that because everything else
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: that's happening is so gnarly. The Terrifier movies just feel
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: like even in the first movie, when a girl gets
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: cut in half, you know, from crotch down, it just
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't I don't know, I don't know how
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: to explain it. It just looks like a dummy being
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: cut in half. It has like that that thing, and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's also down to believe it or not.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Like the color of the blood, I think that's incredibly
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: important as well. Like Tom Savini after talking to because
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: I think it was I think he spoke with was
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: it Dick Smith when he was literally on the drive
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: to the Friday thirteenth set about the color of the blood,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: because he still complains about the dawn the dead, you know,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: pinkish oh, pinkish blood. Yeah, So I think he literally
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: on the way to set on Friday their Deep caught
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: up Dick Smith and was like, can I have your
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: blood recipe? And then that's how you got the look
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: that was in Friday the thirteenth. You know, the dark,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: the very dark red blood.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: It seems more authentic.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, in the sixties and stuff, horror film's blood was
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: like bright red and it has this sort of separation
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: in your mind where we know that's not what real
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: blood looks like, but there's something cinematic about it. So
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: I think they both have their pros and cons as
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: far as you know, realistic looking blood and then like
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: that bright red stuff.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Like I was saying, it depends so much on how
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: you shoot it too. I always say on this podcast,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Like I watched movies very visual. I will remember a
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: shot or the structure of a scene, or the way
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: the camera moves way before I remember a character's name
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: or even like plot details. Like for some reason, that's
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: just how I am when I watch movies. I watch
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: for the visual and the raft scene, the canoe, whatever
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: you want to call it, the raft, the canoe. There's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: so many little things like zooming in on God, I'm
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: blanking on his name, sitting here on Woodstock's face with
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: the blood on his face, to me, sells the impact, right,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: It's those little things right there that really sell to me.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: And especially, believe it or not, one of my favorite
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: effects in this whole movie is Cropsy getting an acte
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: at a face. Yeah, that is like one of my
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: favorite effects.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I thought it was. I thought it was
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: an interesting touch. I wasn't aware of this, but Tony Meyleem,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: you know, I guess they were staying. I think he
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: played a crop scene about ninety percent of the scene
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: achieved a certain look. I was like, that's fascinating because
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: if I hadn't have listened to this audio commentary to
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: learn this, you know, it might have been something I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: would have like gone the rest of my life not knowing.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: So pretty cool little detail that they mentioned.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because he said, well, he couldn't hold
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: nobody could hold the.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: Garden cheers, right m Yeah, he said they weren't holding
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: them in like the right spot in the frame that
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: he wanted it to be, and they weren't catching that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: glare from the sun off of it. So he's like,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: I'll just.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: Do it myself. And that shot so iconic too. I mean,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: that's likely the one scene that always sticks with me
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: from this movie, the one.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: The thing I'll say about Tony Meyleem real quick is
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: just that, you know, despite not being a horror fan himself,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: he approached this the same way he would approach anything else,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: and he gave it that respect and the due diligence
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: that he felt that it needed. You know, if he
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: didn't care, he wouldn't have done things like making sure
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: that he held the years himself, you know, that kind
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: of thing. Right this It was sort of like a
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: journeyman's job for him, Like he was, you know, not
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 7: gonna hang his hat on the horror genre for any
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: length of time, but he was he was more than
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: willing to play it in that sandbox for you know,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: however long it took them. And you know, he didn't
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: seem as though he was like ashamed or embarrassed that
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: he had done this movie. You know, you really never
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: get that sense. So I will give him his flowers
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: in that regard.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this movie feels directed by somebody who
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: took it very serious for sure, Like he really tried
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: to make a great movie both production wise and appease
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: the slasher fans. Like in this time, I feel like
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: it was very It was a much simpler time to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: make an effective horror movie than it is now. You know,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: it was their their rules weren't set yet. Everyone was
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: just sort of copying. I mean Friday the Thirteenth, Frida
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: the thirteenth is iconic for literally copying Halloween.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, that's just what I was gonna say. You
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: made me think of that?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: Is this There was only one other Friday the thirteenth
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: movie at the time. You know, he didn't have there
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: wasn't all this franchise lore that you had to kind
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: of contend with. It was like you could still You're
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: still sort of free to kind of do whatever you
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: wanted at this time. You know, there wasn't all these
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: all these rules, like we know now we have the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: benefit of hindsight and everything, so we kind of know
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: all the tropes of the camp Slasher. But you know,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: in a lot of ways, these guys were making them
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: in real time.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: You know, they were they were laying those those bricks.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So one thing I wanted to see real quick
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: was because to me, Friday Thirteenth Part two is a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: is like the true kickoff to the Friday thirteenth franchise,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: meaning it established.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all that lore.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: It much more established the tropes like that feels more
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: like a like a traditional slash movie than the first
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: one does. Yeah, than any But what I was curious
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: of because The Burning came out May eighth, nineteen eighty one,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: which man, perfect time for uh oh yeah to release that,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: right thirteenth Part two in the US at least Wow,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: May first, nineteen eighty one. Wow, seven days apart, damn. Hmmm. Interesting.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: And then you have Madman who comes out Let's see,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Madman comes out of eighty two January first of eighty
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: two technically in the US. Hmm.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I almost like to look at the first Friday
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: the thirteenth as like a prologue to the actual story.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: You know, it's sort of that's how it feels to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: me anyway.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Well, now you're getting a prolog to.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: The prolog exactly, so you know, yeah, I don't it crazy.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's crazy though, that, especially for the
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: Friday the Thirteenth movies, how quickly they were able to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: get these out in like filmed and in theaters, and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: then now we're just at the screeching halt where it's
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: been what like sixteen years since we've gotten the last
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: by the thirteenth. I don't know, it's just kind of
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: kind of crazy to me. I'm kind of surprised that
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: The Burning never did get a sequel, to be honest.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean most of The Burning success came from Japan.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: It was like a number one movie in Japan. It
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: made over a million dollars alone, and I'm pretty sure
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: in the US it only made like fifteen thousand dollars.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: I think, Yeah, I think this movie was successful for
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: them at the time, just because we was like this
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: were in such hot demand, Like eighty one was really
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: you know, from seventy eight to eighty one, I feel
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: like was the kind of golden age, so to speak.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I feel like this definitely did well.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: For them, So it wasn't fifteen I don't know why
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: I said fifteen thousand. I think I was thinking of
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: the budget, which was one point five million. But in
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: the US this movie only made seven hundred and seven
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars, which for that time, I mean adjust for inflation,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of money.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: But you guys in Japan, Dude, in.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Japan, this movie made let's see, in a single week
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: it was on, it was in four cinemas, and it
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: made two hundred and eighty three thousand dollars in Japan alone,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: and then it ended up grossing its budget back in
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: six weeks in Japan. That's insane, which is wild, dude,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: like that that blows my mind that this is such
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: a great job overseas, especially in Japan. Like for some reason,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: this just doesn't feel like the movie that would have
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: done that.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: But no, not at all.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here we are.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: I mean no, do you guys think that home video
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: like once there was like a proper home video release.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: Do you think that that's responsible for like the resurgence?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: Does this film got over time or like the following
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: that I had.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: It's what's so funny about the video Nasties movement in
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Europe was that it only made these movies more desirable,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So you have you know,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: nowadays I won't even say not as much anymore, but
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: I remember, I remember there was a point in time
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: where like movies were being labeled a video nasty on
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: the cover, as like a selling point or as like
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: a renting incentives.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: Like that rental advisory sticker.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Instead of driving people away, it made people
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: want to pick it up and want to look at it.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: And you know, the video nasties were this was part
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: of the category one. So this was part of the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the prosecution the movies that were prosecuted. So this is
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: one of the seventy two films as part of that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: first list, which to me is is crazy because when
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: you when you put it next to you know, other
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: films that are on the video Nasty's list, it it
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: does not hold a candle to the the you know,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: violence level as the others. But again I think it's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: that brutality because looking here so right now, when Hysteria
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: lives dot UK and it looks like it looks like
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: it was pretty much like a matter of bad timing.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, you had the murder of John Lennon, the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: growing debate about violence in the media. Obviously, you know
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: the video Nasty is kicking off. So actually here it
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: says that Michael Cole said, quote unquote, we almost shot
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: the movie twice. Actually we have two versions, more gory
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: for Japan and less gory for places like Scandinavia. Apparently
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein got advice from Frank Mankusko over at Paramount
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: as they were kind of like gearing up for the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: censorship battle. The British Cinema release of The Burning was
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: severely cut as well as the BBFC. It was giving
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: an X. It was given an X certificate where they
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: cut out twenty six seconds. Let's see, The Burning's infamy
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: was not setting stone until it was released on video
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: in the UK by thorn Em I supposedly, and I
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: remember reading about this back. You know, the movie was
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: released uncut on accident, like they had they had a
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: cut version that was going to go out the stores,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: and then for some reason, the uncut version was what
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: ended up on the tape, and that's what ended up
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: its stores. Yeah, so that became like this whole, this
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: whole thing. So then all the video store owners and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: the people renting it were loving it because they're like,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: oh shit, we got this movie. But then it was
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: held liable for seizure and prosecution under the Obscene Publications Act.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: And then they did out to rectify it by releasing
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: a BBFC approved version, but video store owners were holding on,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: you know, as tight as they could to the uncut
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: version that they got sent in the first place.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: It's kind of crazy the amount of obstacles that a
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: lot of these films ran into because of the Motion
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: Picture Association. Like a lot of these these films that
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: we hold in such high regards, especially in horror, I
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: feel like that they were just subject to so many
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: cuts and you know, editing and you know, things of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: that nature to be able to get these films to
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: be released with I'm assuming probably just to stick with
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: it our rating.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you can get into a whole a
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: whole thing about censorship in general, you know what I mean,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Like I don't I get clearly in society you need
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: some sort of of system to indicate, you know, what's
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: appropriate for what age groups or you know, give those
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: guides for parents and stuff like that. But you know,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: home video. To me, one of the biggest things that
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: I always took away from it, especially at a young age,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: was the ability to see the unrated, the uncut, the
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: director's cuts, you know, the version you couldn't see in theaters.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: That was the stuff to me that was always so
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: exciting because it felt a little more like I was
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: holding onto something prized, you.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: Know, like was in line with the director's vision. That's
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: how I always perceived it, you know, That's how the
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: film was supposed to be.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, And I don't believe. I mean,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: it's it's wild to me that we were back in
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: a world where, you know, terrifiers released uncut in theaters,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, That we've become so open
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: to that, and then now now there's a whole, a
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: whole world of horror fans that are only demanding more.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: And I think, on one hand, it's great to demand
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: more and want that. I think that's good. On the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: other and I think that they're just demanding more for
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: the wrong reasons. How do you up how do you
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: keep upping the ante At this point when terrifiers literally
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: showing people being you know, chained, all the pieces in
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: a bat.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't know about you guys, Like, I don't
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: know if I necessarily need much more than that. I
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: feel like that that's kind of you're getting close to
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: the ceiling of how much gore that I would really
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: want to see in a film for it to make sense.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: I think as long as it serves a context of
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: the movie, and it's it enhances the certain scenes, you know,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: to keep the flow of the movie going, then I'm
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: all for it. But if it's just being gore for
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: no reason, I don't know. Sometimes I have to question
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: if it's if it's valid or not.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I go back to you know, it's it's
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: never the amount of blood spelled on screen, it's how
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's shot. You know, the burning is is very
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: We've mentioned a couple of times. It's mean and it's violent,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: so there's like there's an impact to it where every
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: kill kind of has its own like, oh, you know,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: every every single kill, whether it's the slip throat or
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: even when he discovers when Glazier discovers Sally's body and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: then he gets like every kill scene in this movie
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: even down the cropsy dying has like that like aspect
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: of it or something too, but like if you go
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: back and you really want to look at Like to me,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: it's like tenebrae. That end scene that we talked about
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: that I watched as a kid on Arrow in the head.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: You know that scene you have woman sitting at a
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: table and act comes through the window, lobs the arm
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: off and instead and instead of shooting it normal way,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: she turns and the arm faces the whitest wall I've
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. An outcome this geyser, you
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, that covers the wall. And that's
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: how many arms have you seen lopped off in movies?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Yet for some reason, to me, that's the one that
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: never gets one up, you know what I mean.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: It always reminds me of the kill Bill excess of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: blood spurt that just it's like there's I know, for
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: a fact, there's no way there'll be that blood or
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: that much blood coming out of a severed arm.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no way no. But even the shot like
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: that sequence kind of ends with her getting the axe
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: in the back and you have that close up shot
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: where you see you know, the shirt kind of like
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: fill up with blood like all that stuff to me
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: leads to like making it impactful. And sure there's a
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: lot of violence, but the way it's shot and the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: way that it's put together, you know, kill scenes are
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: a dance. You have to figure out how to do
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: it the right way. I mean, just sitting here and
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: thinking about what I've seen recently Smile Too. I don't
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: consider a Smile Too like an overly violent movie, but
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: there's an impact to all the violence makes it stand out.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: You know. Having a character beat his own face in
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: with a forty five plown metal plate is incredibly gruesome
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: and it adds that affect me. And the Burning just
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: has that. And then I also think too it's coupled
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: with like terrifier to me, is very clean, you know,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't have it. They add the grain in,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: you know, in post production, but you can if you
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: watch enough movies, you can see the difference, you know.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: And yeah, you watch the burning, and even in the
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: four K, you know, they still kept beautiful grain. But
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: I still feel like the Burning is best watched like
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: on a VHS where you can see the cigarette burns
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: and you can see the film imperfections and you can
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: see the the cuts and all that stuff. You know,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: I still feel like that's probably that's probably what looks
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: the best, and it sells those scenes so much better.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: I will say that the four K was really nice
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: screen factory. It is, yeah, very nice.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: It is super nice. And you know, I want to say,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: like on this podcast, I want to be transparent. They're
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: going into this movie we wanted to do, you know,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: a campground slasher. And earlier in this podcast, we brought
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: up the idea of, you know, do these movies deserve
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: deeper dissection and analysis and all that stuff. And I
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: actually went on a deep dive to try to see
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: if I could find any uh, you know, clinical essays
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: brought up about this movie, and there really wasn't. I
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: even found like portions of write ups taken from books
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: that cover the burning, and they don't really go that
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: deep because I do feel like this movie's rather straightforward
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: and its point. And even during this conversation, like I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: do find it hard to really dig anything out of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: this commentary that is, you know, to be deeply discussed,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: you know, and it I don't know what I'm trying
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: to get at here.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll just jump in. I guess.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 7: The thing that I thought was interesting about that commentary
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: was that it was recorded in like two thousand and
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: three or two thousand and four, I think, and so
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: the climate around horror movies at that point was a
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: lot different than it is now. And you know, obviously
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: horror was big, but I think it's only gotten bigger.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: And if you look at like the convention circuit, you know,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: you know, I know, me and Chris have gone to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: a few Monster Manias and stuff like that, and one
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: thing you hear from people who have been going to
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: conventions for a long time is just how much bigger
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: they've gotten over the years. And I think that's reflected
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: in the horror genre as a whole, and that's like
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: a good way to kind of look at it as
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: like an analog for that where it's like, I just
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: think that the conversation, like if you maybe interviewed Tony
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: maleem now and then maybe had you know, really great moderator,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: not that the moderator in this one isn't good, but
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 7: just someone who knows their stuff, and you know, because
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 7: I think his relationship with this movie now is probably
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 7: a little different, and you know, this movie is only
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 7: getting more fans by the day, and then you know,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: back then it was probably just perceived as this kind
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: of you know, little thing that we know was successful
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 7: and has some fans. But you know, now, I think,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: you know, the Burning probably has a great deal more fans,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: and that's something that you know, is it's I think
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 7: it's important that we continue to get commentaries because there
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 7: are snapshot in time and and perceptions on things change
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: as time goes on. So I would like to see
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: if someone else ever released this, which probably not likely
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 7: since we have the Burning four K from Screen Factory,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: but if they ever did another one, I would like
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 7: to hear, maybe now how Tony Maylan feels about this movie.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting, man, because diving into I've always been
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: a commentary fan, which obviously was the base that led
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: to the show. But one thing that I was thinking
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: heavily about when trying to figure out the formula for
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: the show is like do because nowadays you have a
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: lot of commentaries coming out with with nobody who was
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: involved in the movie. It's with film critics or film
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: historians or you know whomever, film scholars. And it's really
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: interesting because as I continue to listen to commentaries. I
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: almost prefer those because they give an interesting outside perspective
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: as opposed to a lot of times with directors like
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Chuck you said before We Went Live. You know, unless
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: you're like a rob zombie or somebody's very lucrative filmmakers,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: some of these guys are just so casual. Even Mary
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: Lambert when we did Pet Cemetery Too, you know, it
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: barely felt like we were listening to somebody who had
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: any real interest making the movie. You know, She's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: we just did that because it was fun, you know,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: or yeah, yeah that was a good choice. He had
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: to shoot it that way. I had no money, so
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: we just had to do it like that. You're like,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: did you were you excited to be because all these
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: years later you don't seem excited that there's a living
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: like there's a legacy, you know, being built around this movie.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: At this time, they they clearly weren't aware of the
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: impact their movies were gonna make on genre fans, you know,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: and the these movies are right for rediscovery. I mean,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: I hope if one person finds this, maybe some maybe
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: there's some odd the luck somebody finds us and goes
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: like I've never even heard of the burning, you know,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: let me go.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: And I think the thing about it is that these
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: filmmakers are just too close to the material, you know,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 7: on a much much smaller scale. Obviously, I make YouTube videos.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: Sometimes I'll finish a video that I've been working on
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 7: for a while and I'm like, this thing sucks. This
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 7: thing sucks. No one's gonna like this because I'm so
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: close to it. I've edited, I've basically watched it, you know,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: ten times by the time it comes out myself.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: So I'm just tired of looking at it.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 7: I have to imagine that's how these filmmakers feel more
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 7: often than not. And so yeah, I think, And it's
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 7: you know, having just gotten to meet John Carpenter and
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 7: stuff and hearing him talk about you know, Halloween at
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: a panel. He he's a curmudgeonly guy, so it's a
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 7: little more exacerbated with him. But generally most filmmakers, you know,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 7: they never seem to have the same reverence for their
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: own material as us fans do. Right, So we're the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: ones who tend to put these things up on pedestals
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: and and and you know, and sing their praises and
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: they're like really like you Like, I feel like there's
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: almost a level of an element of surprise that people
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 7: that the filmmakers have where they're like, really, like, you
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: guys really love this thing so much? You know, Like
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 7: do you guys feel that way too?
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: Or yeah?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: I mean to be honest, bro, Like I feel that
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: way anytime somebody told me they listen to this podcast.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah right, that's how I feel too. Wait you like that, like, yeah,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 7: you really watched a video I made? Like I still
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 7: can't get over it sometimes.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, yeah, Steve, what were you about the
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: same man? I saw you?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: I I just feel like, you know, I just can't
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: help but feel like with you know, I would say
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: maybe like a few that come to mind kind of
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: in the same the same bane, like Slummer Party Massacre
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: and Sorority House Massacre. I feel like the audience kind
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: of it was a little bit more fleshed out once
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: they were getting these nicer releases, And I don't know,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: I think that that a part of that comes into
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: play with like home video and just the importance of
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: that that you know, that could open up the the
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: eyes for people to like really catch on to some
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: of these movies and maybe the directors, don't you know,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: like like Mark was saying, maybe the directors it's a
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: little bit too close to home for them. But I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: do feel like, you know, whether it's in theater or
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: on home video, you know, it's it's just cool to
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: see the life that takes, you know exactly.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, we live in a
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: we live. We're like, we're super spoiled man. You know,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: we get to pick any movie we want or that
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: we that we physically own off the shelf and watch
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: it as many times as we want when we want.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Some people's memory of The Burning is from one time
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: they had the chance to rent it m hm, and
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: they haven't revisited it in twenty years and they remember.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: They're like, you know, you hear people all the time
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: say like, oh, I haven't seen that movie in forever.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so this and it's so that,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: And then they rewatch it and they're like, wait, hold on,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: that's not the movie I remember. I mean, I go
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: through that, you know, when I watch certain things, I'm like, wait,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: hold on, that's not the movie I remember. But what's
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: most interesting to me about horror in general, Mark, like
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: you said, is it leaves like an impression on everybody
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: like us who found it at a certain point, Like
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: I cannot have a conversation about my history with horror
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: without bringing up arrow in the head, without bringing out
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: those kill the days, Like there are certain things I
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: just cannot They're so embedded. It's like a part of
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: me now. It just lives in my sub conscious exactly.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: And movies like The Burning, like for the rest of
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: my life, you know, that raft scene will remain like
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: haunting in my brain, you know what I mean. It's
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: just a yeah, yeaheah, yeah, a good haunting, you know,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: but it'll just always exist there and it will always
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: be one of those things to me. It's like, oh yeah,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: The Burning has that scene that I'll just never forget,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: no matter how many movies I watch, no matter how
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: hard I try.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, movies, Horror movies, they're interesting, right because they always
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: have the potential to sort of become a mortal and
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: like become greater than the sum of their parts and
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 7: more impactful than anyone ever expected them to be. Like
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: any time that there's a horror film, because you're in
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: that genre the way horror fans are, Like if we
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: find something we like about you, we will lift that
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: up and we will tell other horror fans about it,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: and like whether it's this cool kill or you know,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 7: this cool Final Girl and the music's really great in
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 7: this one. Like we always find the things that, you know,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: make a great horror movie a great horror movie. And
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: that's something that The Burning has and you know, I
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: think it's the reason why it's been able to live
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 7: all these different lives and still become a movie that
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 7: people are founding today, like where maybe at the time
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 7: they never would have expected that.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's so interesting, man, because I feel like
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: some people just see some people just see this shit,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: and other people see, you know, what's sprouting from it,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: you know, mean, like it's horror always takes on a
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: life of its own, and even like there's even times
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: as a horror fan where I hate the word over
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: hyped and I don't like to use it, but even
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: sometimes I feel like horror fans over yeah, you know,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: like every horror movie now is the scariest thing you've
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: ever seen. You know, there's when when does a horror
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: movie come out that's not touted as as that you know,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: we're hearing it now a lot with with is it
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: called Bring Her Back the New? Yeah, like I just
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: saw before we went live. Somebody's like, this is the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: scariest movie I've ever seen. I'm like, you've already said
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: that about six other movies leading up to, you know,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: But I mean, like, what other genre experience is that,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 7: you know, none? Really, It's it's pretty exclusive to the
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: horror genre where we're so uh, you know, in one
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: over by certain things. You know, everyone has things they
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 7: value more about about horror movies.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: Uh, I don't know. I just I just think it's
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: interesting thing to think about.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: It's a very supportive community. I think that's like the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: one thing that I've noticed, you know, more so obviously
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: with movies, but more so with horror films. We want
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: to see these films succeed, yes, as much as possible.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would say, you know, for a more
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: more recent example would be in a Violent eight, In
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: a Violent Nature. That's definitely a film that I feel like,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: you know, whether you love it or you don't really
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: care for it, I feel like there was some things
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: to like about it, and you know, it's just it's
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: it's cool to see like the community come together to
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: really push that movie.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm not one, you know, like I've
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: never been one to trying to again think of how
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: to word this like this. This podcast was built on
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: this idea of breaking down movies, you know, from their
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: audio commentary, and I think I think both Chuck and
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: I kind of knew from the start like we were
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: gonna have times where that was gonna be really easy
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: and then there's gonna be times where that's really hard.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: And I think what's most important because just straight up
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: admitting there's I had all these ideas to talk about
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: about the burning, and then as the day went on,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's not really I was like I
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: don't really know how to flesh that out, Like I
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: don't really know how to how to pick that apart.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Like I've been doing that all day, even leading into
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: you know, beginning of recording this. But what I'm over
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: to past like twenty minutes. The thing I've realized is
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: that the the point is this, like us three sitting
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: here talking about a genre that we love, like this
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: is the point, And there are people who will listen
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: to this and might go like, you know, hey, I
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: love that movie, and you know, I'm just here to
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: hang out and listen to friends talk about it, you know.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, there there is
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: an audience that listens to this show. And that that
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: to me is like the the secondary bit, because this,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: to me is like a therapy hanging out with you
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: guys talking. I need this outlet right just because of that.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: People listening is like a bonus, you know. It's like, okay,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: cool for sure, you know. And I'm always shocked even
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: if one person listens. But like this genre, and I
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: think this is very fitting being a season finale. This
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: genre brings people together like like no like none other.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: I mean Mark, like we met in person after years
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: at Monster Mania with Tim. I met Tim in person
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: there as well. And you know, conventions are I feel
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: like there's there's a couple of different types of people
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: you see at conventions. You have the assholes who are
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: trying to get signatures sell on eBay. You know, you
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: got those guys. You have the incredibly introverted guys who
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: love horror but they're too afraid to talk to anybody,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: you know, and you see them running around. But one
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: thing I noticed most at horror conventions is like a
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: like a camaraderie and a love and it's almost like
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: I can be standing next to somebody, a complete stranger, yep,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: and we just bond automatically over whatever this thing is,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: you know, whether it's I feel like at any point
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: at a convention, I can just look to my left
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: and have a conversation about horror and it's embraced, you
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I've found multiple It's more rare that this
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 7: doesn't happen for me. But anytime I'm waiting in a
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: long line to talk to somebody to meet a celebrity,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: I almost always will strike up a conversation with the
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 7: person in front of me because they either have a
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 7: cool shirt on or they have a cool piece of
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 7: merchandise in their hands that they're waiting to get signed.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 7: You know, I struck up a conversation with a guy
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: when I was in line to meet Kane Hodter, and
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 7: we started talking about which, well, which which of his
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 7: Friday the thirteenth do you think is the best. And
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: that's something that any horror fan who's seen Friday the
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 7: thirteenth will have an opinion on.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: And you know, you're bound to get a great discussion.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: Out of that.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: So to tie that, I guess to The Burning. And
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 7: just like you said, horror conventions are sort of a
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: microcosm of that genre itself, right because you know, you
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 7: hear about celebrities who didn't work like there's a time
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 7: and then when they first become aware of horror conventions
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 7: as they got bigger, and they didn't know that they
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: were a thing, and they didn't even realize that to
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: a select group of people, they're an icon. Like you
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: hear about that all the time, and and it's that's
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 7: the cool thing about it, And it's it's that kind
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: of mentality that makes movies like The Burning so fun
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: to discover and talk about, man, because even though on
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 7: a story level it's not doing a ton, there's so
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 7: much about it that has stuck with so many people
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 7: that has made it immortal, you know.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: And that's that's what I think, like you can pull
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: from this episode, is that all of us have been
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: impacted by this movie in some way. You know. So
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: even even though on the surface, this movie's not bringing
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: if you want to look at it like critical analysis,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not bringing too much to the table.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: But all. You know, the four of us sitting here
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: all have history with this movie, and it's made impact
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: enough that now we've sat here for an hour and
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: forty seven minutes and talked about it, whether or not
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: it was talking about it directly or talking about its
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: impact on the genre as a whole. You know, we
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: still all four of us still bond over this movie,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: and I think that's the most important part, you know
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And I do feel like with horror conventions,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: I do get caught up in like the it's like,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: you like, just count the amount of art, the clown
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: merch you see, count the amount of ghost face merch
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: that you see, and you know, unfortunately some of these
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: people have never seen anything outside of that. You know.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like I've seen people on Instagram who like,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: all they ever post is that they're massive horror fans,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: but they have but the only post scream over and
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: over and over agains. It's like that's all they've seen,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And there's horror fans now
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: that I mean. My wife was at a convention and
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there. She was with her brother and she
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: was at a table and another guy at the table,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: said somebody. The guy working at the table. The guy
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: was wearing a Terrifier three shirt, and the guy at
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: the table was like, oh, like sick Terrifier three shirt.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: And the guy's like. The guy's like, oh, thanks, I've
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: never seen any of these movies before.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: Like it's like, yeah, I think they just went to
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: Spirit Halloween and bought it and like this is the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: new thing.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but maybe that maybe that could be
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: their gateway into getting into these films. I mean hopefully,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: hopefully it inspires them to explore it more. Maybe they
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: find out about this podcast and inspires them to do
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: deep guys horror movies.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: One thing I wanted to ask you guys about is
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 7: just how do you feel. I Mean, we don't have
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: to do an entire ranking necessarily, but where does this
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: rank for you in the pantheon of camp slasher films.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: You know, I don't want to I don't want to
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: bury the lead too much for you know that that
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: show we're going to do in the future. But I
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: guess if we wanted to just give some kind of
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 7: general thoughts, like this, this is better than mad Man?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: Is it better than Sleepway Camp?
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 6: What do you guys think.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: I actually have a list here of campground Slashers that
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: I was doing to prepare for the and it when
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: I was kind of making this a list, it kind
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: of dawned on me how how little of this genre
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: actually holds up, you know. Like my opinion, sleep Away
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: Camp is my favorite of the campground Slashers because I
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: think that movie is just so fucking crazy, like, you know,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: especially the scene I actually think. I actually think the
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: sleep Away Camp sequels are better, Like I think two
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: and three are better than the first. But I just
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: lump it all on the one thing. I enjoy mad Man,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: But mad Man is like so I feel like I
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: feel like mad Man is in a weird way. It's
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: got like this lighthearted nature to it, you know what
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, because it's very it's just looking I actually think,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: believe it or not. One of my favorites was Fear Street.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Part two from that was pretty good, you know, I
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: had a lot of fun with that. But that's that's
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: clearly newer, and it's hard to compare to this because
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: the burning is probably something that inspired that. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: so I would probably say it's it's it's above Friday
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: the thirteenth for me by like a smidge. I think
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Sleepway Camp is my favorite, and second would would would
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: would be The Burning.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: For me.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think if we were to just kind of
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: for simplicity's sake, leave Friday out of it, I would
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 7: probably put you know, The Burning is is probably my
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: number one, uh, followed by sleep Away Camp, and then
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: you know, I do.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: Enjoy uh, let's see what is it.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: I do enjoy Fear Straight Part two like you said,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: and I also really enjoyed Hell of a Summer from
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: this year. I thought that movie was It's very different,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: but I think it's worthy of the camp slasher sub
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: genre because my one of my concerns with that one
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: when I saw the trailer was like, oh, are they
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 7: just kind kind of using this as like a vehicle
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: for their kind of zoomer comedy.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: That was like my worry right where I was.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: Like, I'm not going to really think this is funny,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 7: you know, and they're just kind of tapping into that.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: But no, I think that they earned the sub genre
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 7: for me.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, what about you guys, Stephen Chuck, how do
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: you guys put it?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: It's hard for me to rank them. I haven't really
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: seen too many summer Slashers.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: To be honest with you.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: I will be doing a deep dive for the next episode, though,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: that's for sure. But I'm kind of in ingre ingredients
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: with you guys, Like I love The Burning so much
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: and I love sleep Away Camp Friday the Thirteenth, So
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: it's kind of hard for me to like place those
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: ones because I don't know which. I can't really think
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: of which ones that I enjoy a little bit more
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: than the other.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: I think the last fifteen seconds of sleep a Wee
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: Camp are better than most of everything. And Every Friday, Yeah,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Friday is one that's interesting because they actually kind of
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: got better.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 6: As they went, and then they got really bad as
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 6: they went. But they're also good for different.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 7: Reasons, you know, those movies are you know, they're not
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: all created equal, obviously, but the ones that are really
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: good are good for really fun reasons, and the ones
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: that are not as good are still fun, you know,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: for the for being bad.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: I should say I'm less offended by bad Friday the
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: Thirteenth movies than I am Friday's Dead in the Nightmare
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: a Elustream, you know what I mean.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: That feels more like a bad to me.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that feels more like a slap in the face,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: where you know, parts seven, eight, and nine and ten
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 7: are just them kind of running out of steam. But
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: the one thing you can't say, you can't take away
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 7: from Friday is that seven, eight, nine, and ten are
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: all very different. And yeah, they all feel very distinct,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 7: and most would argue that the first six are the best,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 7: and then you know those four are kind of very
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 7: odd but still have things about them that are you know,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: worth worth.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 6: Giving their flowers for. So it's very interesting franchise.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: I'll say, well, it's typical because I remember recently rewatching
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: Jason Goes to Hell and thinking sort of the same
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: thing I thought with Halloween Ends, where I was like,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: everybody was begging for something different and then when they
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: got something different, they shunned it. So then it never
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: you know, It's like, I feel like that's a thing
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: in movies, though, is that people people get tired of
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: the familiar and they're like, oh, do something different, and
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: then they deliver something different and then people are like,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: why'd you do something different?
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: I wonder with that Arrow release if there's going to
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: be a new audience, especially for those two films like
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X just because I
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 5: feel like, you know, in the uh like the franchise,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: I feel like that those are the ones that maybe
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: like for some don't care for as much as others.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: So I'd just be curious to see, like if the
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: consensus changes on either of those.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, honestly, my mind didn't change much
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: on on Jason X. To me, having Jason X on
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: four K was like kind of like a companion piece
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: to getting Jason Goibs a Hell on four K. You know,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: Like I watched Jason X and I was like, oh,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: this movie is good, and you know when you listen
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: to the Cliff McMillan interview with Christian and you find
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: out that, like most of that movie was reshot on digital.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: So some stuff looks really good, like really good because
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: of the film what was shot on film, but then
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: some of it looks really bad because it was shot
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: on digital and you just can't do much with that,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: you know. I think, I think Jason X is just
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: a cool side piece, but I think the main, the
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: main big boy there is having Jason Go to Hell,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: and it also is getting like more people are talking
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: about it. Adam Marcus is releasing the full blown documentary
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: Yes without the making of Jason Goes to Hell. I
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: think it's just time, you know, Like I'm I'm a
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: fan of Halloween Ends, and I think time will be
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: very kind to that one, even though people people hate
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: it now, you know, but Halloween Ends was pretty much
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't know I wanted Halloween Ends until I got it.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, when it was over, I was like, fuck, man,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: that was good. Like I don't I didn't really need
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: much else.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 7: I didn't like that movie when I first saw it,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 7: but it's it's grown on me. But the thing, the
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 7: thing I'll say about those four k's of the of
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 7: of Uh Jason X and Goes to Hell is that
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 7: people will there's a subsection of physical media collectors who
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 7: will just buy things because they're new, whether or not
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 7: they've seen them. So there's it's probably not a stretch
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 7: to say that there's a lot of people who bought
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 7: those who actually haven't seen them before, and they'll be
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 7: discovering them for the first time because of that. So
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 7: and that's something that is like, that's something that is
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: a thing with horror films and it's a thing that
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 7: I personally am much more likely to blind by a
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: horror film as opposed to any other genre, because I
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: just feel like there's something innate about it that is
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 7: more likely to be something I enjoy than anything else.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 7: And that's why I bought The Burning to begin with,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 7: to kind of bring it all back. Is you know
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 7: in twenty twenty, when I was stuck in my house
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: and I had nowhere to go, you know, I was
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 7: just I was blind bying like a fool, and I
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 7: was just I was so receptive to experiencing something and
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 7: just going on a journey. And I feel like that's
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 7: what you get with The Burning. Man Like it's a
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 7: it's a ride, and uh, it's a movie that I
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: find myself going back to.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: That's the other thing I've.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: I've blind bought a ton of horror films over the
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 7: years that you know, I'll never watch again. But there's
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 7: something about the Burning. There's something about the Burning that
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 7: just makes you want to come back, you know, you
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: want to go back.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 6: To what is it? Camp? Blackfoot?
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: Is that what it is?
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 6: I think? So I think can't Blackfoot? Yeah, there's something
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 6: about it that just makes you.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: Want to go back, So you got Chuck and Steve
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: to just kind of round this out, do you guys
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: think so the screen factory put out the four K
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: of the Burning, obviously, I know a lot of people
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: discovered it then because there is another subsection of collectors
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: that will never buy anything below a four K M
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: so they wait, you know, until four K, and then
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: they buy it and it's still being covered over and
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: over again. Do you think this is sort of like
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: a I'll stop for this movie or do you think
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: over time this will continue to have this resurgence and
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: more people will just continue to find it.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: I feel like, I mean, I don't really know what
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 5: that next step looks like beyond four K. But you know,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: I've always been very vocal about this as I appreciate
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 5: all formats, you know, everything ranging from VHS all the
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: way up to four K. So I feel like I
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 5: have a different level of appreciation for There's just certain
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 5: movies I feel like I feel like they're more enjoyable
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: to watch on VHS, you know. But do I welcome
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 5: you know, seeing this this four K transfer and how
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: aesthetically pleasing it looks, and how how like I feel
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 5: like that's probably the most premiere way you're ever going
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 5: to see this film. I mean, I can embrace that
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 5: just as much. So I don't know if I would
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: necessarily need anything past this point, but you know again,
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm happy if people are discovering this movie
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: as a result of this four K release being put
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: out there by Scream Factory.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess, Chuck, do you feel kind of
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: the same way.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have the Blu Ray. I don't
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: really plan on upgrading to the four K because I
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: don't really think I need to. But yeah, I mean
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be opposed to them doing more with it.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: Like maybe if we get a box set in the future,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 4: I'll definitely be buying a box set for it.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 7: Oh that's the one thing, right, Like if if Scream
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 7: Factory loses the rights and say Arrow or even I
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 7: could see the Vinegar Syndrome doing something like this too.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 7: This seems something that they would do. It's it's got
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 7: that sort of almost sleeze factor that I guess they're
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 7: perhaps known for. But if they if they were to
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 7: do because I feel like this is a movie that deserves.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 6: A premium release.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 7: Not to say that the screen Factory four K wasn't
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 7: super premium.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 6: I don't have it. I'm with Chuck. I have the
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 6: Blu Ray. I'm good with that. I feel like I
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 6: feel like I'm okay. But I could be tempted.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 7: If they were to do you know, a really premium picture,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 7: like a really cool chunky box with like Cropsy, with
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: those iconic the shears. You know, there's there's a lot
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 7: of imagery that they could have fun with. The raft
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 7: scene in particular comes to mind.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: I for some reason, my brain just thought of like
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: a Lion's Gate limited steel book, where like when you
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: pull the you know, clear slip cover off.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 6: The shears, that is money in the bank. They should
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 6: know that.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: Dude.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: Here it is right, I'm gonna put it out in
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: the universe, right. I think what we need and I'm
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: telling if anybody steals this, I swear to God what
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: the front of the steel book with the slip needs
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: to be Fish or Stevens like this, and then when
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: you lift up the fingers go with it him.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 5: I think that's see, Mark. What you don't know is
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 5: once we hit that two hour mark, that's when Chris
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 5: starts getting the wall unhinged. I'm here for her man.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, look, we can we could talk about as
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 7: much about the burning as a as you guys are
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 7: down to talk about it really like and and not
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 7: just the burning itself, but just sort of the like
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 7: we could we could get a little more into the
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 7: intricacies of what makes a camp slasher.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 6: But you know we we can also save that for
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 6: the next show too.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I was just gonna say, it
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 7: makes for a nice transition, you know, from one to
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 7: the next.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the show to that show.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's you know, I'm very excited
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: for talking about the campground slashers. This has been just
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: like again, transparency, Like this has been a tricky episode.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: I think I think this was much trickier than either
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: of us kind of suspected going in, you know, not
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: a perfect thing. We just got to keep rolling with
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: it and doing it, you know, in every episode. And
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: I think I've said this, every episode we get a
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: little bit better.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: So I think the highlights of this season of the show,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: to just kind of bring it in, like to closing,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be the the values of the show.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be movies that are really easy to talk about.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: And there's gonna be other movies where you kind of
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: have to branch out into broader territories to kind of
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: create the discussion around it.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: You know, we went on for what three hours on
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: House of a Thousand Corpuses, diving into like shot and
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: framing and technical stuff, and some movies allow that and
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: some movies don't, and that's you know. Yeah, And the
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: cool thing about a show like this is that nobody watches,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: nobody listens to every single episode. They just kind of pick,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: you know, if a movie interests them, They're like, oh cool, yeah,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: I'll watch this one to this one.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll definitely say I had a great time. I'm
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 7: talking about the burning with you guys. This is a
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 7: podcast I would definitely and do listen to. I'll probably
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 7: listen back to this anyway, even though I'm on this episode.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 7: But you know, we did the best we could with
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 7: what the commentary gave us, right, I mean, we only
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 7: had so much to work with. But that's not to
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 7: take away from this movie at all. And I think
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 7: a large part of it has to do with we're
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 7: trying to save some of that discussion for the overarching
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 7: camp slasher episode as a whole.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 6: Right, So this, this will this will make a nice
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 6: preamble to that, I think.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I mean, you know,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: we have a huge season two on the horizon. Like
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: I think, everything we've done in season one is just
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: practice for what season two of the show is going
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: to be. I mean, we decided to go right for
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: the Gusto, and you know, episode one of season two
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: is fucking the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, you know what I mean,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: Like we're going right for the Gusto, and all of
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: this has sort of been like practice for that real
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: turn on. And then you know, we're we're we're even
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: planning season three now, which is like even more fun
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: because I'm sometimes you know, for season three, we're gonna
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: cover all shallows. Sometimes you're really digging for something into me.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, I think, what's,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: like I said before, what's most important to remember is
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: that it's not about the end result. It's about the
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: process and doing this, you know, and sharing this bond
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: with each other and sharing this thing that we love
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: and just talking about movies. What's even more crazy is
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: the fact that season one is now over, Like you know,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: we've we've worked our asses off for this and you know,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: to kind of like wave goodbye to the first entity
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: of hopefully a long time you know, long running show.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, but yeah, Camp Campground. This summer special, I
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: think is gonna be crazy. So we have you coming on, Mark,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: we have Christian Planet. Hh. We have Garrett from Born
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: to b Rad coming on as well. That's gonna be
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: a ton of fun. I guess we can. Oh shit,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't even realize this whole time that we can
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: talk about the news on the show because at this
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: point it's a part of it. So if you've made
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: it to the hundred and twenty six minute mark, Yeah,
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: we have signed to someone's favorite productions. I guess signed
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: is the word. So we've officially joined their podcast platform,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: their podcast network, where we're now teamed up in partner
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: with shows like The Vinegar Syndrome podcast and The Radiance
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: Films podcast and Indicator podcast and Terror Vision podcast The
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: Reconnected show host by Ryan from The Disconnected, which I've
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: been on multiple times. You know, like, we now have
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: these incredible partners and this is only going to help us.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: You know, before the up until this episode, this podcast
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: was available exclusively on Spotify mm hmm, because I was
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: too much of an idiot to figure out how the
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: hell does start an RSS feed and how to start
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: all these other.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 5: Things, Chris, don't on yourself.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: Five months end up being a podcast or I'm trying here,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: you know. And now we're officially available on every single
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: podcast platform all over the world essentially, you know.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 4: And then on top of that, we're starting that YouTube
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: channel as well.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: Season two is also gonna be videos, which is, you know,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: just another another cool like step forward for us. You know,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: it's really exciting, It's super exciting. Uh. The Campground Slasher
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: is gonna be the first video to go, which, yeah,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: and it will be just for anybody listening sneak peek.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: There will be a pretty big, like listening experience difference
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: between the videos and between the audio experience. Really working
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: hard to bring like a certain level of immersion and
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: fun to the audio experience using background noises and stuff
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: like that. The YouTube videos are just sort of gonna
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: be like this, It's gonna be like the raw cut
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: of the audio and you're just gonna be able to
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: see us and some people like that. They put on
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: the video and they just let it play and they
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: prefer that. My hope with the videos are that people
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: enjoy what they see and what they hear on there,
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: and then they go to audio experience and it only
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: makes it better because of yeah, because of those like
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: the the auditory experience that we're trying to bring forward
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: for those And it's it's incredible, man, because I can't
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: thank anybody who's ever listened to the show enough. It
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: feels like everybody and their mom has a podcast, you know,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: So you do feel like you feel like a drop
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: of water and in the ocean. You know, it's so
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: little and it's so minuscule. But you know, every time
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: we release an episode, somebody I've never talked to before
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: reaches out and says, hey, man, I you know found
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: your podcast? Or how many people are listening to it
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: that don't even know who we are? You know, they
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: don't follow us on Instagram and they're not part of it.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: You know, Now that the show is available everywhere, who
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: knows what the hell it's doing out on the one
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: hundred plus platforms it's available on, you know what I mean.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: So it's really cool, man, And it's kind of like
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: funny sitting here and kind of wrapping up this episode
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, I remember planning this with you, Mark,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: for you coming on, and being like, God, we're not
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: gonna have Mark on for like six months. I know.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 7: I was kind of like I should have picked a
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 7: different movie so I could be on sooner. But now
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 7: I stuck to my guns, and I'm I'm really glad
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 7: we did get to talk about The Burning, because ultimately,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 7: at the end of the day, it's a It's been
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 7: a great conversation and I've enjoyed it, and I think
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 7: any fan of The Burning will will enjoy our discussion
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 7: here because I think we did get into some good
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 7: stuff and it's and it's the stuff that's the sort
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 7: of in between the lines of The Burning. It's it's
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 7: the stuff that you maybe perhaps gets overlooked when discussing
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 7: movies like this.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, man, I agree. And you know,
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: much like much like the The Skin on On On Cropsy,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: you know, it's time for us to say goodbye.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 6: And that's brutal. Dude.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a two hour Mark Man. I like
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: come alive, like running on it.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 6: I love it.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: So Uh, Mark, where where can people find you?
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 7: You can find me at Tales from the Shelf on
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 7: YouTube and Instagram. I do a variety of things, still
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 7: trying to almost two and a half years in, I
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 7: still don't know what my channel is. Necessarily, I talk
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 7: about new movies, old movies, physical media every now and then,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 7: and just horror in general. That's sort of the forefront always.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 7: But I do like to talk about a variety of
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 7: films of all genres. But yeah, man, I just want
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 7: to say thank you guys for working with my schedule
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 7: and you know, allowing me to join you guys for
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 7: this episode. It's been a great time and I really
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 7: enjoyed the conversation.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 5: Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, dude, love the avenue.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: I am proud enough to say that I've been watching
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: your video since your first one, so you know, definitely
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: anybody listening please go subscribe and follow. You know, it's
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: it's been cool to do. I remember I remember being
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: at because at the time I was on YouTube, and
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: I remember being so inspired by your people under the
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: Stairs video. Oh thanks, Now, how old is that video? Now?
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 7: Is that that's the second video I ever or maybe
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 7: the third, or even I think it's the third. Those
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 7: videos are are rough for me to look back on.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 7: But uh, you know, because I was I didn't have
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 7: access to like now, I'll if I'm gonna use clips,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 7: I'll rip my Blu rays. I didn't have a disk
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 7: drive from my laptop, so now I can rip the
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 7: files or whatever, and I have, you know, ten ADP
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 7: footage to work with some of those early videos. I
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 7: was getting footage off of YouTube and it was it's
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 7: very it's very rough looking and but yeah, it's it's
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 7: funny to watch them because it reminds you of how
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 7: far you've come, I guess.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, exactly, man, exactly what about you? Man?
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: Where can people find you?
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 4: So, first I just want to plug the new Instagram
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 4: page that we finally made for the show, so you
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 4: follow Beyond the Blood pod because somebody took Beyond the Blood.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Somebody find that guy.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 5: Chuck's piss.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 4: So mad, so mad. But now if you just want
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 4: to follow my personal page that's at a at Chuck
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 4: Underscore Savage finally made a post the other day.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, the running the running joke here is
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: that Chuck every episode says he's going to start posting
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: more and he never does. Just posting frequency is the
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: frequency of podcast episodes. Yeah, uh, Steve, what about you?
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 5: So you guys can find me at after Hours video.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 5: I'm on TikTok YouTube, Instagram, you name it, and then
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 5: please go follow beyond the Blood Instagram account that we
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 5: just set up.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, we're trying to do some fun, you know, marketing
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: stuff on there and kind of incorporate some different things.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: I really want that Instagram page to be, you know,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: stuff that's educational and shareable and fun much more than
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: it is just promoting, you know. I think if you're
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: gonna follow that page, it's gonna be a lot of
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: content about the movie leading up to the episode. But
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, dude, like we we just did
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: a post the other day that was we we We
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: essentially made like a really cool picture of one of
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: the quotes from a critic, you know, I saw, Yeah,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: trying to find a way to just kind of like
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: make it, you know, you can kind of learn some
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: interesting things about the movie leading up to the episode,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: you know, as much as we can.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 4: So it's a nice little appearance from a glazier in
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: the background.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lazier. Yep, glazier is in the background. Dude, the
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: amount of work that goes in that that Instagram post,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, some people go, oh, like Instagram, that's
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  Speaker 2: just social media. That Instagram post took took me like
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  Speaker 2: eight hours to make. Okay, that was like my whole day.
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  Speaker 2: I was just tweaking and editing that and trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to put it together. So if anybody
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  Speaker 2: ever tells you that social media management and marketing is easy,
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  Speaker 2: they're probably not good at it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 7: It's like, this is all work, and you know, we
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  Speaker 7: all have other jobs, I'm assuming, right, So for.
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  Speaker 5: Sure it's.
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  Speaker 6: It's a tested into you know, how passionate we are.
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  Speaker 7: About this stuff that we're able to get it all done,
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  Speaker 7: you know, because it takes work.
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  Speaker 6: It definitely does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes a lot of work. But like everybody
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: else said, make sure go follow the podcast page that
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: is beyond the Blood Pod on Instagram. Personally, you could
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: find me on Instagram Bearded film Guy, always on there
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  Speaker 2: posting all kinds of stuff, you know, talking about movies,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: talking about physical media, talking about all kinds of stuff
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: on there, trying to have fun, you know, and create
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  Speaker 2: keep the keep the discussion around movies. Alive. I also
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  Speaker 2: go by the name Bearded Booklet Guy in some communities.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always telling.
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  Speaker 5: People to read within your inner circle, within my.
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  Speaker 2: Inner circle of friends. Yeah, always telling people to read
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: their booklets, learn more about the movies you love. Please
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  Speaker 2: stop buying movies and never opening them and leaving them
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  Speaker 2: on your shelf for years and years and years. That's
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: a crime. You should be convicted as a felon for
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: that in my opinion. But yeah, so big things coming
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  Speaker 2: for season two. This is officially the end of season one.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: We are we will be back, and we're gonna be
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: recording the Campground Slashers episode in June. It's gonna be
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: going up in July and then August. First, we're swinging
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: right back into season two with nineteen seventy four It's
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: Texas Chainsaw Massacre. We have some great guests lined up
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  Speaker 2: for that. I mean, we still have stuff coming into meantime,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna be recording season one recap as well as
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: the season two preview all in one episode where we're
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: just gonna kind of talk about the ups and downs
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: of this first season, what we've learned, what we're gonna
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: improve on, and then talk about the upcoming episodes for
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  Speaker 2: season two, we're gonna have After Hours, which is our
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  Speaker 2: monthly show where we talk about physical media stuff that
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: we've watched, and much more of just kind of a
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: loose hangout that definitely doesn't have any structure. That show
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: can go off the rails real quick if we let it.
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  Speaker 2: So that's coming all before the Campground Slasher one, so
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: you know we're not gonna We're not disappearing completely. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: lots of big stuff coming. We appreciate anybody who's ever listened,
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  Speaker 2: and anybody who's ever shared anything you like, the photo,
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: anything at all, you know, we mentally mentally appreciate it
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  Speaker 2: and love love you a lot for that. So I
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  Speaker 2: guess the only way I can transition us out of
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  Speaker 2: here properly that I can think of is I'm gonna
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: repeat a joke from earlier in the show, much like
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: much like the Skin of the Poor Caretaker Cropsy, We're out.
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  Speaker 2: See you guys, peace peace.
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