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FREDIA GIBBS - Fighting for Every Bite · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very
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  Speaker 1: special guests. Three times undefeated world kickboxing champion Fridia Gibbs
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  Speaker 1: aka the Cheetah is in the building. How are you
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  Speaker 1: so fantastic?
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  Speaker 2: Colle Thank you for having me. How you doing I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you cooked for me.
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  Speaker 2: Am.
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  Speaker 1: I and I have never got I don't think I've
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  Speaker 1: ever been able to interview a obviously, never interviewed an
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  Speaker 1: undefeated three time world champion in any sport, but let
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  Speaker 1: alone kickboxing before. But before we get into all the conversations,
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  Speaker 1: I need to know what are you gonna have me
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  Speaker 1: eating today?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, today we are going to eat some steak in asparic.
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  Speaker 1: Steak and asparagus. Okay, what are all the ingredients to
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  Speaker 1: make this this extra special?
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  Speaker 2: The ingredients to make this extra special? Obf, she gotta
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  Speaker 2: have a one sauce, you gotta have virgin oil. There
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  Speaker 2: are we gonna include butter, salt, pepper, garlic, salt, and
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  Speaker 2: some my garlic globe.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, got it? And asparagus and stick. Now, if you
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  Speaker 1: guys are EVI a listener to eating while broke. I
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  Speaker 1: don't eat red meat, so out of the spirit of
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  Speaker 1: the show, I will take a bite and I will
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  Speaker 1: judge her very hard. Okay, and I don't even I
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  Speaker 1: don't think. I think the last time I tried a
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  Speaker 1: one or steak sauce was like probably like when I
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  Speaker 1: was like twelve or something. So we're gonna really live
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  Speaker 1: it up today on the show. So go ahead. See,
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  Speaker 1: we don't leave you a lot of cooking room. Hun,
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  Speaker 1: Are you gonna really box it out right now?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to like, chap.
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  Speaker 1: This is a this is like a fake. This is
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  Speaker 1: a stove set.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta look out marinate that through. You gotta
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  Speaker 2: throw some karate chops at the steak there flipping the
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  Speaker 2: steak here on. During the time that I'm flipping the steak,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about all the times I had to flip
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  Speaker 2: my mindset for from survival to success. That makes sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: had added a little bit of garlic salt on my
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  Speaker 2: survival mode. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen someone beat up with steak like this.
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  Speaker 2: But I had add a little bit of that there.
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  Speaker 2: I had to go into that success mode cooking. Now
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  Speaker 2: what it makes me feel like I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 2: celebrating progress.
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  Speaker 1: Now, okay, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna add some salt and some pepper. We already
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  Speaker 2: add the garlic salt there, right, yeah, add a little
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  Speaker 2: pepper there.
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  Speaker 1: This is I think he is one of those twisters.
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  Speaker 1: I think you got it right here.
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  Speaker 2: Show me.
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  Speaker 1: Let me try to help you out. Poor steak is
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  Speaker 1: about to get murdered. She's frying up the garlic. She
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  Speaker 1: done beat up the steak for real with her hands,
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  Speaker 1: seasoned it with steak. It was salt pepper. Now you're
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  Speaker 1: going in with the butter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, going in with the butter, baby girl.
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  Speaker 1: All right? Now, is this that's just for the steak,
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  Speaker 1: right yeah?
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  Speaker 2: This is for the steak and asparagus.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 2: See what a lot of people don't know is you
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  Speaker 2: got to cook the asparagus and the steaker. There got
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  Speaker 2: cooking combined. That's why you cooked the steak first.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially you're put in the butter, the garlic you
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  Speaker 1: see in the steak, and the asparagus is all going
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  Speaker 1: into one pot exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because when I was broke, I only had one pot,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And that's the one pot
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  Speaker 2: that I used, and I learned how to cook multiple
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  Speaker 2: different foods than the one pot. It makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you was always washing dishes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't like washing dishes. That's why I
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  Speaker 2: always had one pot, one big plate.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. After every meal you had.
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  Speaker 2: To wash it.
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  Speaker 1: I always had a dish washing okay, okay, so you
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  Speaker 1: wash your three three, your three four.
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  Speaker 2: No, I would wait until they pile up.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll just keep buying dishes. Oh god, you're hilarious. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So take me back to what was going on during
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  Speaker 1: the steak and asparagus error. Take you back to one
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  Speaker 1: What was going on during this time.
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  Speaker 2: Back when I was broke. I had to dress up
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  Speaker 2: oodles and noodles, That makes sense. Yeah, And I would
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  Speaker 2: call a t bone steak and asparagus because that's something
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  Speaker 2: that was like my vision. Yeah, during that time when
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  Speaker 2: I was broke, and what I had to do as
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  Speaker 2: just done here. I had to season it with some
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  Speaker 2: hot salt, you know what I mean, seizing my food
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  Speaker 2: with faith because I was only eating noodles and noodles,
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  Speaker 2: how it was broke.
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  Speaker 1: But were you eating oodles and noodles or were you
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  Speaker 1: eating steak and asparagus.
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  Speaker 2: Back in the day when I was broke, I was
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  Speaker 2: eating oodles and noodles, but my vision was to have
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  Speaker 2: steak and asparagus. I couldn't ford steak at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so what did you you ate noodle ramen noodles?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I would mix it up with the vegetables and
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  Speaker 2: chick a little bit of chicken here and the steak
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  Speaker 2: here and there, and just mix it up and make it.
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  Speaker 2: Look when you go into these ramen stores today, what
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  Speaker 2: do you see they mix it up with everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they got that from me.
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  Speaker 1: You're hilarious, you know they got that. Wait, why are
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  Speaker 1: you making steak in this?
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  Speaker 2: This is what I'm cooking today because this is what
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  Speaker 2: I strive for. This is what's my vision.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know, so you switched up our whole show today. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be cooking me a broken dish.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh damn, she has me.
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  Speaker 1: Take me back to the oodles and noodles day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: take me back to what was going on during that era.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what jeez, man.
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  Speaker 1: Take me back time and everything it's okay for putting
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  Speaker 1: steam in.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, okay. Well, during the oodles and noodles era,
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  Speaker 2: that was doing my fighting, Ara, I didn't really have
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  Speaker 2: a job. I had to fight for food, meaning that
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  Speaker 2: during the time I was competing, but I wasn't getting
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  Speaker 2: paid at the time because I was just an amateur.
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  Speaker 2: I was working side gigs. I had to fight. Like
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  Speaker 2: I said, I had to fight for food. I had
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  Speaker 2: to figure out how I was going to keep the
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  Speaker 2: roof over my head during my oodls and noodles days
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  Speaker 2: and back in those days keeping my oodles and noodles.
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  Speaker 2: They coming back to twelve.
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  Speaker 1: But before you started fighting for it, where did the
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  Speaker 1: oodles and noodles start? Take me back to like, prior
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  Speaker 1: to you even starting to fantasize about kick boxing, Take
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  Speaker 1: me back to your childhood life.
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  Speaker 2: Childhood life, Oh jeez. I'm obviously from Chester, Pennsylvania, south
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  Speaker 2: side of Philadelphia, from the projects there a fairground project
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  Speaker 2: during those days. We grew up very poor, but we
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  Speaker 2: didn't know we were poor. That makes sense, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: that's when moms was back on welfare during those days,
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  Speaker 2: back that time. Sosehold, I've always come from a two
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  Speaker 2: parent household. I've had my grandfather, my grandmother, and my
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  Speaker 2: great grandfather and grandmother. So I've always come from a
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  Speaker 2: two parent house. How many kids, it's three. I'm the
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  Speaker 2: oldest of three.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did anyone else get into kickboxinger.
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  Speaker 2: No, my brother got into fighting. My sister she'd got
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  Speaker 2: into boys. But you know how that works, right, Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, so you come from this two parent household,
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  Speaker 1: it's me closer to where you start to get the
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  Speaker 1: idea that you want to get into a very kickboxing. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I used to get Yeah, I was gonna say, I
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  Speaker 1: want to say an untraditional sport. But okay, you were
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  Speaker 1: getting bullied a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to get bullied a lot. It was
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  Speaker 2: pretty smart in school. In elementary school, and the girls
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  Speaker 2: in the classroom, they would make me do their homework.
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  Speaker 2: At first, I started out helping them. You start off
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  Speaker 2: helping somebody. Then I started helping them do their homework
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  Speaker 2: because I was always excelling in class. And then it
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  Speaker 2: got to the point where I would do them a
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  Speaker 2: favor and do their homework one time. And then it
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  Speaker 2: got to the point where they were forcing me, making
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  Speaker 2: me do their homework. You dig and it got to
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  Speaker 2: the point where I was tired of doing their homework.
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  Speaker 2: And when I decided that I was tired of doing
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  Speaker 2: their homework and I felt they should do their own homework,
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  Speaker 2: that's when they decided to beat me up and toss
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  Speaker 2: me in the bat in the trash can in the
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  Speaker 2: girl's room.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, we were you.
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  Speaker 2: I believe I was bullied.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could believe it. There's a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that are successful today that I had to hold that
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  Speaker 1: were you smaller inside and stature at the time.
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  Speaker 2: I was a little medium height, little muskar as. I
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  Speaker 2: was athletically built because I was built like a track
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  Speaker 2: runner and the medium height, and I wore glasses all
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  Speaker 2: the time, just like I do today. It was like
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  Speaker 2: a little nerd.
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  Speaker 1: So these girls started bullying you. Did you go home
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  Speaker 1: to the parents and say, hey.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, nom my mom. No one knew for almost a
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  Speaker 2: whole year. You dig And then, like I said, I
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  Speaker 2: decided I'm not doing your homework. So they said, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to kick your behind when you get off the
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  Speaker 2: bus going home from school. So I was I was terrified.
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  Speaker 2: So when we got on the school bus, right Coley,
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  Speaker 2: I said to the bus driver, listen, can you let
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  Speaker 2: me off at the stop ahead? Because they said they
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  Speaker 2: gonna beat me up, And the bus driver said no.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what I said, put that whole school
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  Speaker 2: gonna beat me up. She said, listen, this is what
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  Speaker 2: you do. I said, well, she said that everybody, when
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  Speaker 2: I let you off at your stop at the fairground,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to let everybody get off the bus,
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  Speaker 2: and you'd be the last one to get off. I said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about that. I said, okay, so everybody
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  Speaker 2: got off the bus. Just listen to this. Everybody got
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  Speaker 2: off the bus, all the.
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  Speaker 1: Kids even get you a headstart.
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  Speaker 2: So now I go, yeah, exactly. So she said, now
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  Speaker 2: I want you to walk to the back of the bus,
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  Speaker 2: and I unlocked the emergency door. So I went ahead
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  Speaker 2: and walked to the back of the bus. And when
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  Speaker 2: I walked back in the bath. When I walked to
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  Speaker 2: the back of the bus, everybody outside, all the kids outside,
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  Speaker 2: walked to the back of the bus. Unlocked the door.
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  Speaker 2: Boom boom. She said, now walk back to the front
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  Speaker 2: of the bus. So I walked back to the front
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  Speaker 2: of the bus. Everybody outside walked back to the front
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  Speaker 2: of the bus. She said now when I counted three,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to run bus out that door and
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  Speaker 2: run as fast as you can. That's the bus driver said.
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  Speaker 2: I said, okay, she said one. Now I'm stand at
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  Speaker 2: the front of the bus with the bus driving. All
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  Speaker 2: the kids at the front too. Outside she said two,
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  Speaker 2: she said three, took off. I took off. Run who
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  Speaker 2: bust off the back of the yellow fool bust or boom,
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  Speaker 2: And I had hand started on whamp. I'm a hardtown.
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  Speaker 2: I was running and I got to my mom's crib
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  Speaker 2: and I busted U turn and I busted my mom's door,
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  Speaker 2: shut the door real fast. And my mom she's playing
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  Speaker 2: solitary at the time, so all the cards flew off
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  Speaker 2: to the table. She's like, girl, what the hell wrong
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  Speaker 2: with you busting this door like a black super woman?
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  Speaker 2: What you gonna do? Lost your mind? But I shut
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  Speaker 2: the door. Boom. She knew something was wrong. I had
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  Speaker 2: the door shut, and I was cool because I was safe.
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  Speaker 2: I went on in the house, my my own business.
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  Speaker 2: My mom heard all the kids outside making all this
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  Speaker 2: your noise. So she went to take a look out
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  Speaker 2: the window, and she saw all the kids outside. She's
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  Speaker 2: what the hell is going on with this here. Then
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  Speaker 2: I had to confess because I couldn't run all my life.
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  Speaker 2: So she went outside. She said, what the hell is
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  Speaker 2: going on out here? They were like, we gonna kick
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  Speaker 2: Fredy's butt, and my mother was like why and cousin,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't do our homework. And then my mom was like, Sissy,
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  Speaker 2: get y'all.
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  Speaker 1: You can do it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. My mother said, Sissy, get your motherfucking ass out
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  Speaker 2: here right now. She hand me the broom. Yeah, call me,
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  Speaker 2: she said to the she said, now, which one of
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  Speaker 2: y'all want to fight her? And all three of the
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  Speaker 2: girls raised their hand. My mom said she ain't fighting
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  Speaker 2: all three of y'all. She said, now, which one is
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  Speaker 2: the baddest one? Then this girl gilded raised the girl
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  Speaker 2: raised her hand. I'm gonna let that cook. A little
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  Speaker 2: bit girl raised her hand and it was the biggest one.
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  Speaker 2: My mom said, what's your mama's name? She said Fanny Lou.
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  Speaker 2: My mom said figure. My mom said, after this is over,
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  Speaker 2: you go down there and tell Fanny Lou you ever
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  Speaker 2: put your hands on my daughter gain, I'm gonna come
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  Speaker 2: down there and beat Fatty Lou's ass. She said, you
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  Speaker 2: let Fatty Lou know that. She said. Now, since this
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  Speaker 2: is who you're gonna fight, she said, Now, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: tell you this here. I want you to beat her ass.
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  Speaker 2: You hear me, And if you don't beat her ass,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna get two ass whoopings. All right, Now here's
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  Speaker 2: the bru beat her ass. That's exactly what my mama said.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, shall we come to? Go ahead?
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  Speaker 1: I promise you shout all the black mothers to speak
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  Speaker 1: like this. Yeah, that's how we grew up. If you
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  Speaker 1: don't whoop they asked, you don't come home, and you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get a second ass with us, so they gotta
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  Speaker 1: look worse than you. Otherwise you gotta come home in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: But shout outs to the parents that did that, because
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  Speaker 1: you know what, shout out to your mom. Undefeated world champion.
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  Speaker 1: All started with this fighter, get it.
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  Speaker 2: Really, but you got two women my mind. I lost,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't hear a whooping. So after it was
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  Speaker 2: all over with, the fight was over with, I came
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  Speaker 2: back in glasses off, one shirt off, pull over. The
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  Speaker 2: broom was half of a broom?
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  Speaker 1: What was he gonna do with the broom?
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  Speaker 2: Hit her with the Oh I did hit her with
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  Speaker 2: the broom. She was bigger than me. So that's why
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  Speaker 2: my mom gave me the broom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Your mom asked for the bigger and
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  Speaker 1: the baddest one. Exactly, thanks mom.
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  Speaker 2: So we fought. Every time I run back to my mom,
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  Speaker 2: she talks me back out there. She said, can we
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  Speaker 2: go in that. I run back to buck, he talks
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  Speaker 2: me back out there. I had no other choice. I
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  Speaker 2: had to fight.
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  Speaker 1: So we fought between the mom and the bus driver.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: The women back then.
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  Speaker 1: It was amazing. But just to backtrack to the bus driver,
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  Speaker 1: she could have let you off. None of this would
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  Speaker 1: have happened. If she would have just let.
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  Speaker 2: You off, I could have caught my grandparents run back
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  Speaker 2: in exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I would have hated that bus driver. On that's you're
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  Speaker 1: not burning this steak.
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  Speaker 2: No, because steak has to cook all the way through,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Mary's donner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a well donner. Okay, you a well donner.
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  Speaker 2: That's because that the garlic is very important. It's also
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  Speaker 2: it's healthy for our inside, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for a body. As an athlete, we eat guard clothes
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  Speaker 2: all the time. Before running. Oh yeah, right, yeah right,
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  Speaker 2: like gum yeah raw.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see that movie Centers when they had to
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  Speaker 1: eat the garlic?
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  Speaker 2: I've not seen that. You got to see that movie.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta check it out there, gotta.
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  Speaker 1: Shout alright, go back to your story.
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  Speaker 2: You don't win the fight, okay in my mind. But
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  Speaker 2: I went back in the crib there and I sat
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  Speaker 2: on the bed expecting to get my butt with and
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  Speaker 2: my mom came back in there, and my mom said,
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  Speaker 2: that's this is what's gonna happen. You should have told
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  Speaker 2: me that this was happening. I didn't know. She said,
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  Speaker 2: this is what you're gonna have to learn. Put your
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  Speaker 2: head up, she said, put your head up and put
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  Speaker 2: your shoulders back. You got to understand it. In this world,
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  Speaker 2: there are wolves and you're going to have to learn
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  Speaker 2: how to fight, and there's gonna be people out there.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to have to learn how to fight. Now.
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  Speaker 2: You got it in your sissy, but somebody's gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to wake it up because you got that fight in you.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, But I was like fine, I said,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't want to go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go because.
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  Speaker 2: That's my family called me call me sister because I'm
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  Speaker 2: the oldest one. And I was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to go back to that school. So my mother called
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  Speaker 2: my grand I said, I want to go to Chichester.
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  Speaker 2: That's the predominant white school, because I was going to
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  Speaker 2: Chester to predominantly black schieh. I want to go to Chichester.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: So my grandmother, my mother called my grandmother, my father's
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: mother and you know, my father's people that I lived
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: a double life, project middle class. I lived a double life,
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: so my father's people. My uncle, my father's brother, is
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: a marshal art master, so he came my grandmother told
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: him what was going on, and I told my grandma, look, Grandma,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go to that school. In fact,
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to go to school at all.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: I want to learn it home. And then when they
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: forced me to go to another school, I was I
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: still met another bully, you know, and transferred to another
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: school and met another bully. I was sitting in art
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: class with my knees up doing art. Girl came over
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: and just kicked me, writing the ass braym. I just
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: turned around like.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: A white girl a black girl.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, they're everywhere so at this time, I
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: didn't want to go to school all. Then I was
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: told my grandma said, look, I was at my grandmother's
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: house on the weekend and and I said, look, Grandma,
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not going back to school, and they were gonna
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: they're gonna force me to go back to scoul I said, listen,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: if you're going to force me to go back to school,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: then I'm gonna take myself out. Why should I allow
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: them to kill me? Yeah? You know what I mean?
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: How old are you?
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I was like twelve eighteen? I said, why should I
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: continue to allow them to hurt me?
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: But now backtack, you said that you had an uncle,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: or get.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: To my uncle. So when I told my grandmother that part,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: then my grandmother went ahead and got my father's brother,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: my uncle Bill, who is the martial art instructor. So
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: he said, I saw I heard. He said, So I
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: heard you having issues in school. I'll never forget him
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: putting his hand on my shoulder. I'm just I'll never
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: forget that as long as I live. He said, So
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I heard you having an issue in school. You're being bullied?
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Said yeah, he said, so I heard you don't want
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: to go to school. Anymore. I said yeah. He said, listen,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: free diya. You cannot run all of your life. Adversity
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: is going to follow you wherever you go. You got
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: to learn how to stand firm. This is what I
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: want to do. I said, what now? He got a
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: hang had on my shoulder. He said, I want to
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: teach you karate. I said, no, man, no, I don't
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: want to fight. Man, I don't want to fight. He said,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: This is not about fighting. This is about us rebuilding
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: your self confidence. This is about us rebuilding your self esteem. Now, maiie,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like twelve thirteen, man, I'm like, what self confidence?
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: He says. Self confidence is about having no doubt and
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: your God given ability. That's what self confidence is. I said, oh, okay,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: having no doubt in my talent? Okay, what self esteem?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: What's that? Because I didn't know, So he pulls out
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: the dictionary. He says, and self esteem is about whatever
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I forget. He says, yeah, okay, great. I said, okay,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: So it's not about fighting, he said, exactly, We're gonna
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: rebuild that. I said, okay, find I can do that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I can do that. And at the time, that's when
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Bruce Lee came along.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: You know what to say. The karate kid wasn't out ye, Bruce.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Lee was the man at the time that's cooking allway through.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Let the cooking.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I would be I would understand it where
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: your stances like, Man, I'm not trying to be a fighter.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to be that. So I never forget going
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: to karate school for the first time. He gave me
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: my gear, he gave me my white gi and my
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: white belt, and it's cool. It's like a major transformation.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: And I'll never forget being attending class for the first time.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: And before I walked in the door, he said, anything negative,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: any negative thoughts that you have in your mind, any
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: negative energies, I want you to keep it out this
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: door right now. Don't bring it in here.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that's what like karate and all that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I never knew that's what it was about. To be honest.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very spiritual. And I thought, Wow, leave it
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: all out there, all attitude egos, leave it out there, okay,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: And I got that message. So when I walked in,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: it was all black men, businessmen, judges, engineers, lawyers, and entrepreneurs.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: These all black businessman and one white guy. And this
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: white guy was nerdy, but he would keep going.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: So they weren't even you were joining a class full
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of kids.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: No, I was with men. I was with all men.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all men, all masters and on the wall
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: and masters, you're all masters and on the wall calling.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: What was cool is there's this big question that says,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: why are you here? Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: we're all lined up. Now. I'm the little white the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: white girl, so I'm at the end there. But I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the only female amongst them. So it's like I had
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to grow real fast. Yeah. I learned a lot from
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: these masters. I had no idea what they were pouring
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: into me. That's how I became champion.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But when you first walk into that room as a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: young girl, are you as a part of your mindset
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: semi eye rolling, really serious.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: No, I wasn't that type. I was that type to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: have ego. I wasn't type too talk back. I wasn't
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: that type at all.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But you knew you were walking into this self confidence, selfness.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I had no idea. I had no idea what I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: was walking into. But I knew what I was walking into.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Seeing the judge that I knew who was very respectable
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: in my community. The lawyers that I knew who were
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: very respectable, the businessmen who were very respectful, upholding individuals
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: in our community. I knew that I was.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You knew who these people were.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were very well respected. So I thought, wow,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: how special. This must be special for me. But wow wow,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And that's when they started teaching me how to throw
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: punches correctly, because back in the day, we just grabbed
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: your hair. Yeah. But then they started showing me how
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to throw punches correctly, you know what I mean. Starts
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: showing me how to move. That makes sense. Then they
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: start showing me how to use my knees and showing
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: me how to use my elbows, showing me how to
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: go for the groin. Because they were men, and whenever
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: they compete against each other, whenever one man was balpidating
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the other throwing martial arts, they go for the growing.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. So that's what they taught me. So
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm a master going for the groy because that's all
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I went with one up against those guys at the time.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: The way you so I was little at the time,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: but each kick you think Bruce Lee threw over ten
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: thousand kicks I threw over to one. Wow, you understand
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: me over twenty thousand. I had no idea. And what
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: was crazy is as these masters, I'm the youngest one here,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: but as these masters, we're all throwing technique or kind
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of techniques or whatever. I'm feeling all the energy and
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: power come down to me. That makes sense. I felt it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It was like permeating me. It was transformed me. I
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: realized that, Wow, so this is confidence. That makes sense.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I was feeling the confidence from the top master all
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the way down to the master who was adjacent to me.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: That makes it. Now I'm just as little white belt,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: but I don't know exactly what's going on, but I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: know I feel something. And what I know feel I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: know is now, Yeah, you know what I mean. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: knew it was transforming me. That makes sense. Yeah, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: knew that. When I saw those bullies again, I beat
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the ass so fast that things know why killed me, Cheetah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, did you ever go backing with some
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: of these bullies?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But actually, what was crazy is I did go back, yes.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And Mexic School.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: No, No, I went back to visit. No, I didn't
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: go back to the school and when I ran. Once
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I left, it's just like in a relationship.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Officially, Yeah you left school.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't leave school, but I left that school.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: It's like a relation. Once I leave, it's a rat
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you did. I ain't going back, That's the way I am.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But I did see them as I got older. Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and I'll never forget Guilded. Guilda was made with guild
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and Loretta.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: The bullies.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: The bullies. Yeah, first of all, they were all wait,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: all of them were fatten out of shape. Even to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: this day, they're all like wells.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I hope they see this, by.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: The way, all four of them.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Oh well bully Oh damn little plumpers. Huh, Oh my god.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: They what I.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Forgot, the people over here in this here. But yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: they're all like wells. But I'll never forget seeing Guilder.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: No, we could dissed the bullies.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, get that, Yeah we can't. And Guilda and the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: girl who kicked me in my butt, Lisa right out now.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I saw her about three years ago. Lisa started that,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the one who kicked me in my button. And I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: was at quiet store and the school there, and my
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: uncle introduced to for a long time, and she was
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: starting some she was talking like she wanted to start something.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, Lisa, cut that, undefeated, Lisa little This
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: is my exactly is Lisa little girl. I will beat
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: your ass so fucking fast. You'll know why they call
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: me cheetah. Now I'm not the same person you kicked
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: any ass that she tried. And I sat in front
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of everybody and I said, you want something, you could
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: have something, knut. No, she didn't want them. You want
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: something you can have because we were already in the dojo,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So you want something, you could have something, you know
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And I supplied this is four years ago.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, crazy, bully, bully what I'm saying, huh I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: after knowing you are undefeated, that's done three times over.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense and exactly, and Gildas popped
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the one time in the mouth I wanted to were
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: First of all, our hands are My hands are registered.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Like some kind of life.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: My hands are register and when I use my weapons,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I have to use it if it's a matter of
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: life and death. That makes sense. Yeah, so I have
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: to really be threatened, and she wasn't no real threatening
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I learned early how to walk away. That makes sense,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, what you're thinking, she's a moron.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I'm lucky. She's lucky. She's lucky in your hands on
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: registered she's lucky. And I'm sure you've acquired so much,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you've mastered like internal discipline right in this sport.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will despite the fact that I can fight,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I'll walk away.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Are you slow to anger?
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I've always been slow to anger as a very kid,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: young kid. My mom's getting mad at me. I'm glad
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you said that, my mom, Sissy, you're supposed to be
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: angry about this. No, I don't like the way anger feels,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, I didn't like the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: way the energy was the fire.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: So like your siblings could annoy you to death and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you would be like whatever, Really, how much older are
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you than them?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Two years one?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good, sixty eight that's pretty good, two years apoon.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like after this episode a lot of people
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: are gonna be saying sissy, huh.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yess. My parents, my mom and I used
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to call me sissy. My mom called me sissy, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: my dad used to call me chips, Friedo corn chips. Crazy, Huh,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I like that?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so you go through this training and now
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you're walking around with confidence. You go through this, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: guess predominantly white school. Is people peeping your energy change?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: No, I went to What happened. I received a scholarship.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I went on and excelled in basketball and excelled in track.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: We became state champions in track, and I received a
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: double scholarship Division one scholarship the Temple University. Okay, yes,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: when I went to Temple, I was only there a year.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I flunked out. I know. I met this guy. First
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: time I'm ever away from my family. I met this
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: guy named Jamain. He was super cool. Fell in love
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: with him. He was staying with me. He drank a lot.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Doing all the basketball games. This is this is some
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: real stuff. Doing all the basketball games at wind Lose
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: a draw. All the superstars, the athletes would go into
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: this locker. It was private room and there was cocaine. Beauties. Yeah, beauties,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: black beauties is speed, oh speed speed alcohol. All the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: male basketball stars and not just basketball. All the male
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: stars pitt Wether was basketball, football, track. We all went
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: into the females too. We all went to this room,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and we used to all just celebrate and have a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: good time. The only thing I remember is taking a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: drink and waking up but damn naked, grabbing my dad,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: trying to find my clothing and get running down the hallway,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like what the heck gonna happen? And it just happened
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: multiple times, like we entering and guys on guys, girls
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: on girls, everybody on everybody. That's just the way it
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: was the university. That's the way it was in the university.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: The athletes, that's what I saw. That's how it started off.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Now whatever happened between I don't remember because I got
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: blacked out, that makes sense, And to this day, I
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: still don't remember what the heck happened.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: That's really dangerous, Yeah, I know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that's how I got kicked out of school, Yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: because I was As a newspaper said, too much too soon,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you did free day Gibs lose her scholarship, too much
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: too soon. It was. I never did hot drugs when
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I was in high school. I never even touched a joint.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't even drink. But when I went to Temple,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I became a cocaine addict. I became a blueberry blue
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: black beauty addict. You did, I became an attic.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Wow, So then how do you after you first of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: all going back on to your parent, your mama and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: telling her that, now did she take the news?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: What happened was my college coach said, look here, we
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: need to have a meeting. So they called me there.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I was in the office. I'll never forget it as
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: long as I lived. And she said that your grade
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: point after zero point zero. She said, when we found you,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: discovered you free d you were here, you are now here.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Why do you choose to go back here when you
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: can go here? I'll never forget her saying this. She said, well,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: we gotta let you go. You're suspended. We got to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: kick you out the university. But I didn't care because
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I was strung out.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, did they and they didn't know you
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: were strung out?
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: No, they didn't because I could play basketball real well,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I was. She still kicking button, doing my job, just
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: doing my job. That makes sense. And I'll never and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: then again maybe they did, because this is what happened.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I gotta let this cook through. This is what happened.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So I went to the bank I'll never forget to
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: get money to leave, and I'll never forget hearing this tailor.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And now I was in line, I'm hearing this tailler. Yeah,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: oh my god, No, Fredia Gibbs didn't. I was like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that's me. Then I heard her say to the other lady,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: did you hear what Fredia Gibbs did to us? And
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I thought, what did I do to them? I don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: even know these people. And then as I got closer,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: they were talking she loves too much to school soon,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Fridia Gibbs loses her scholarship too much, too soon. Temple
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: didn't allow me to even get cash my check and
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: get home. And it was all on the newspapers and
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: everything that makes sense. Yes, I go to the bank,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I go through the train station near Philly to go
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: back to Chester, and newspaper all over the place. I'm like,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: holy count, I'm hearing everybody talking all of a sudden,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, me already being strung out, and I'm hearing
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: all these voices. I'm thinking, hearing this woman, we're talking
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: about what did I do doing? There's too much too soon?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: What does she do to here? And I'm thinking, what
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: do you mean? What did I do to you? I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: didn't understand, but I knew something was going on, you
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like it was war, all
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: these voices war. So I get off the train in
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Chester the projects. First thing one of the Whinos says
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: to me is, Fredia, what are you doing back here?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And I was like wow, But I wasn't the same
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Freda I was when I left and the projects in
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Philly Chester they protected the superstars. That makes sense because
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: we were They were proud of us. We had a pass.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: That makes sense to enter all the projects. That makes sense. Yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: today they killed the superstars. Did you know that?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: If you go back there now.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: They killed superstars, all the superstars back in my projects
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: that I grew up, that I grew up, they killed
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: them because they're jealous of them. And I'm like, wow,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: they're killing them now.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Stars And you're more known at this point for basketball
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and track, basketball, track and kickboxing, oh and kick Okay,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: so you come.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Back So I'm back there. Yeah. So I'm back there
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: just letting that do his magic. Yes. And then I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: go back there and I talked to my mom. I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: let my mom know what's going on telegony. Yeah, I'm comfortable.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I got kicked out and she said, what happened? I said,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I got strung out? She said, what happened? I said,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I met this guy named Jamaine, and I got strung
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: out on cocaine, the same thing I told you I got.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I was a rookie and I was with all the superstars,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the seniors, you know what I mean. And they introduced
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: me to something and I tried it, and ever after
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: every game we went there and Jamaine he got me
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: hooked on a beer and liquor and things like that,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and he was staying with me. So that's what happened,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: you know, Okay. And then my brother, he was a
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: big time drug deal at the time. My brother's name
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: is Brogie Lucas and and he was a big time
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: drug deal at the time in Philly. And I'll never
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: forget me wanting And that's what I'm so anyway, I go.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: You said earlier that your mom had said that he
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: had turned you out.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jermaine to turned me out. Okay. What happened was
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: what I learned, and this went on moving forward. What
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I learned moving forward. After I left Temple and told
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: my mom, I went to my father's people, and I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: let them know, and I stayed with my father's people
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: after I left my mom. Now many I was strong,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I said, with my at my mom's I still had
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: access to cocaine, you understand, but I didn't want to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: deal with it from the streets because my brother was
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a big time drug dealer and with the black folks.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to do it get it from those guys.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Why Why is that?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Because I didn't trust my brother mixing it. He was
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: mixing crack with cocaine at you know, I didn't want
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: to take the chance. So I decided to stop. I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: wanted to stop cocaine and everything all together. I wanted
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: to go back to the clean freedia that I was
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: before I left.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And what was driving this want or this desire?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Because because I knew that wasn't me. Okay, that makes sense.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: It wasn't me.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And what was just going back to your mom's response,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: what was her response to hearing this news.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: She was very surprised. Okay, yeah, she was very surprised.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: That's why she said, I got turned out. Ok Yeah,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: she said, I told you, sissy, there are wolves out there. Yes,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: she did remember that when I was younger, when I
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: was young, she said, I told you there are wolves
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: out there. Wow. Yeah, and you got caught by a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: wolf because you was sheep, you understand. So I went
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: to my grandma's house because I knew I didn't have
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: access to everything. And at my grandma's house for three days,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't sleep because mine I got all this stuff
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: in my bain. I didn't sleep, like three four and eight,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: like we And all of a sudden, I'm trying to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: clean myself. I'm not I'm trying to keep it hidden
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: from my grandparents.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And but oh they don't know, but they know you're there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So all of a sudden, it was like
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: late at one o'clock, two o'clock in the morning, I
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: started trembling that stuff and shaking and et cetera. And
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: my grandmother came out, said, Grandma, they knew I was
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: strong at that time. Yeah, And they called the ambulance.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: When they called the ambulance took they took me to
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the hospital. And I'll never forget this as long as
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I lived. Clean here, I am lying on a bit.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I see my mom, I see my grant, my mother's mother,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: and I see my father's mother, and I see my
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: family there like sticking me up with Ivy and the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: other and they're looking at me like, not in disappointment,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: but what happened to you? You know what I mean?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And I'll never forget looking up at them a tear drop.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: That's when it was like reality hit me. So what happened.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: That's why my heart is not as strong as it
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: is today because me at the time, being strung out
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: on cocaine, I didn't know. So at that time, what
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: happened was my family suggested I go to Philly, put
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: my aunt Bunnie on my father's side because she was
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: like a powerhouse. Oh yeah, she was like a little powerhouse.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Get me out of Philadelphia because it was nothing there
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: but cracking cocaine going on. That was it. That was
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: doing a cracking cocaine era.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: So I went ahead to Philly and Bunnie. Things didn't
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: work out well with her because she left me in
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: abandoned home for two weeks. Yeah, she left me with
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: peanut butter, jelly and water. Now she was determined to
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: make sure that I got clean out. It makes sense.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: She's determined to help me. Now she's a powerhouse, you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: She did that to help you, to help me out.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: And I'll never forget this as long as I live.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So here, I am two weeks in in her building
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: with these hermit monster doors, and all I got is
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: peanut butter, jelly and water. Now, I didn't know that
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I was gonna I thought I was gonna be there
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: for the weekend. I had no idea, okay, that she
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: was gonna have me locked in there for two weeks.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: In fact, it probably would have been a month. But
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I broke out because I could. I realized I couldn't
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: even get out. I could get she locked me in.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: That ain't funny, I'm sorry, but no, but her mission
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: was too exactly that was.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Her mission anyway. I will never forget this as long
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: as I live here. I am lying down on the
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: couch you back in day, you know when we had
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: those handsets and that cassette where you put the cassette in. Yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I was listening to Luther
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Vandros at the time, lying down, you know what I mean,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: pod alright, Then I dozed off and suddenly I don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: know how long I was asleep, but I woke up
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and I saw that I was very close to the ceiling,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, why am I so close to the ceiling?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And I've put my fingers thrill and it's going through
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the wall. So I scanned around, like what the world?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And the soft voice said, looked down. So I looked down.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I saw my body there. What the hat sets my
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: whole frame there? I was like, and I slammed back
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: into my body cramp. I jumped a wallful. WHOA Ain't
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: nobody gonna believe this was I hallucinating? What was going on?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: At that time? It was time to escape. It was
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: time to escape. It really was now Manie, like I said,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: she had this big hermit monster door, like this mansion door.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: That mom was gigan. It was big and the shatn
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: feet tall. He was determined and he got these walls
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: on the side right here. So what I had to do.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I had to even put one foot on this wall,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: one foot on this wall, climb up there. And there
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: was this window up top. That was the only way
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I could get out. I had to bust the window.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: That room was small, No, the hallway.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: The house it was a big it was a motel,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: but it was up top and by this window up top,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: so I had to climb up and I was weak,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: So I knew that I had to make be successful
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: this first climb because I was physically weak. Got it,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: you did? So I'm climbed up. Wa. I cramb onto
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the window real fast, and I and I cleared all
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the glass from there, et cetera. And I looked down.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa shit, Oh that was a long fall.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, damn, it's gonna be a long ass wall,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I said, but I gotta do it. And I couldn't
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: turn my body around to let my legs go first.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: My body would only go head first. So I counted one, two, three,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: and I was ready for the fall. And as I
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: went through it, I was falling. It was just as
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: long as fall. Then I hit the ground boom. I'll
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: never forget it. I don't know. I must have passed
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: out because three four hours had passed by, but I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: was on the other side and did.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: The dag You free?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: What friend Lance?
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Once I got through, came woke up a few
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: hours later, I unlocked the door and.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I crawled out back on cameras.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I crawled out and I was free, just like I said,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I found a phone. I called my mom collect I
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: was crying. I told her what my aunt Bunny did
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: locked me in his place for two weeks. If I
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: still be locked up, keep you safe. My mom called
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: my brother, get me now, min My brothers one of
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the biggest drug dealers in Philly. You did he come
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: picked me up in the Camaro convertible, et cetera. Were
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: rolling on back from Philly going to the Projects. He's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: look and the cop All of a sudden, the cops stoppers.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is people?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: What is God? I said, you know what, you only
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: stopped us because we blacked. It's a nice car, I said,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: because we was up here in mind the own business.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Wasn't nobody doing nothing?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: But was there anything in the car?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me tell you the car. So I just
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: after the officer he said go, He let us go.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: So we're going down. My brother like that. That's a
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: bigger stop. He stopped at the Projects. He pops the trunk.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Guess what he takes out bigs Adidas bag of crack
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: and the biggest Deidas bag of cocaine.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's exactly what I thought.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Holy gosh, Jesus was on your side.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: So that that was the story. So anyway, he goes,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: drops it off. I'm there wait for him come back.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I see him running out. He
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: jumps in the car, doesn't even open the door, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: he tells me put my head down, put my hand.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: He says, put your head down, and puts my head down.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Way did dash for? You know what I'm saying. All
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: of a sudden he he gears in reverse, God runs out.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, what, dude, you should have stayed in
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the house, Like whoa.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: He gears up, peeling, peels up, takes me back to
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: the project. I tell my mom would have nothing like
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: this fool's creak. We just got shot at. We just
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: got shot at. Now I don't went the waters one man,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: crazy and money. Yeah you understanding. I'm like a skeleton
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: The backtrack. It's not funny. But you we appreciate your
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: aunt bunny though, right, appreciate it because you gotta think
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: these pivotal moments are will bring us to undefeated world champions.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: So super grateful for the little evil bullies, but more
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: grateful for the aunt bunnies. That was like We're gonna
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: make sure you come out good. Obviously came out strong
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: because he took a leap of faith jumping off. Go ahead,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: let's start this dish. Let's try it. Yeah all right,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: so what are we doing?
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: We just garlic steak?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Garlic steak? All right, I'm gonna try the try a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: couple of asparagus is and I don't really hear. Let
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: me try to get one of your knives. I'm gonna
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: take this steak is so good, I may have to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: risk my entire internal.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: So that's how that story ended.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: But that's how. And by the way, your brother he
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: knew that. Okay, my brother was your brother knew that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you battled this addiction?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Did he he didn't know?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Everyone kept it from him. Did your mom know that
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: he was doing?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everybody doing. He was. Everybody knew who he was.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Let's try this as well done. So you're not even
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: using a one sauce.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Oh it's so good, it's good.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout, I'll try it. So after all of this,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: how do you end up getting back on track too?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm telling So I go back to my
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: my father's people mine. There was a coach, very good
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: college coach. Good, thank you. This college coach, in fact,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: coach has heard that I lost my scholarship because the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: newspapers during the time that I was in New York,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: they were reaching out to my grandmother. They wouldn't reach
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: out to my mom because they wouldn't make it into
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the projects. They wouldn't make it out the projects. You
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: had to send somebody black into projects. Okay, you hear me,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Just keeping the one hundred, I'll be big. He reached
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: out to my grandparents.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: There's a great stake, by the way, and I'm never forget.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: During the time that I was at my grandmother's house,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I was getting myself together, and I'll never forget she's
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this real nonsense a lot about it. Oh, by the way,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: now that you're together, so they knew what they were doing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Send her, asked back, and Bunny, she'll take care of her,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: she'll clean her out. Now that you're back together, I
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: wanted to let you know that this basketball college coach
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: has stopped by here, has been calling here checking up
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: on you. That's how I was too. I was like, what,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: because Maya, I was never gonna play basketball again.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: He did, and I said, I loved that there was
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: so much loving faith in you, like from everybody. But
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: gone continue.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I said, what's his name? She said, Mike Tanagli.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: In fact, here's his number. He's been calling here checking
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: up on you, so I reach out to him. He
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: takes me to care any college. It's all white school,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: probably like three blacks. It's on the main line, so
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it's adjacent de Villanova, so it's an upscale school. Me
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: coming from the project, I never seen BMW's and Mercedes
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and Lamborghinis and all that stuff. I never saw that
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: in real life on your TV. When I went to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: that college. That's what I was seeing on the regular,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: on the regular, every joy and wasn't nothing but money. Wow.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And he said, look, we know that you're a Division
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: one athlete, ain't no doubt about. We also know that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: there's no way that we would ever get someone of
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: your talent and your calenber here at this university. But
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: we also know that you've had problems, you lost or
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the Division one scholarship. Now this is the deal, free
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to you. Here, I am amongst all these white men
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: businessmen university. You give us your talents and we'll make
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: sure that you get a good education.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, that was fair, right, Yeah, yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: We want you to build and turned on women's basketball
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: program around and our athlete programming around. Okay, I said deal,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and that's what I did, turning around, turned the whole
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: program around. They went from being Division one nai A
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to the NCAA because of me, because I was already
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: in the NCAA Division one, so they already had my
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: names in NCAAA. They already had my name in the system,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: scores and things like that. Then when I went to
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the Division three school, they have me my freedom Gives
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: name still there, but I'm in n AA ai A,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: but I'm originally from NCAA. So what they did with
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the university that I went to, they went ahead and
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: switched them to NCAA because of me, because my name
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: kept popping up at NCAA. All the people at the top,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: they already knew who I was. That mentioned.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So turned the whole program around, went and joined
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: went to the Olympics to try off because the European
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: What happened is the European basketball coach they come over here.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: To recruit Americans to go play basketball. And we went
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to Colorada Springs to train for the European Basketball. Now
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: this is some crazy shit. I didn't know this even exists.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Check this here out. So we would Colorado Springs for
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the Liperd trains and training for the basketball to join
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the European Women's Basketball League, and we had to wear
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: panty holes. I told the coach. I was like, nah, Bri,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I ain't wearing no pantyhose. I said, One, I ain't
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: wearing no pantyhose because they itch. But two, I'm not
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: wearing no pantyhose because I never wore panty hose when
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I was playing basketball.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But also it is in that harder to play basketball
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and pantyholes.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I was not going to do it. So this is
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: what happened. So all the girls had on their panty
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: hose playing basketball, and I had on my shorts. Starting
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: from here, I was at the end of the girls
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: checking prove Proofal you're on this team. You on this team.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Then the coach says to me, all the European coach,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: what are you gonna do for you? I said? I said, sir,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't come here to make you dick hard. I
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: came here to play basketball.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: They want shorts over the pantyhose.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: No it was just pantyholes.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, this is what I.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Said, sir. I didn't come here to make your your
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: dick card. I came here to play basketball.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I nodded their heads right and on their feet. I
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: was going for a layup and one girl on this side,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: one girl on this side hit me both side, bam bam.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I caught the girl on the left. But to this day,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: that girl on the right, if ever I see her,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get her.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: No, you got registered hands.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Oh no, she got me this one. She oh she
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: is old. This one she got me on the right.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: And anyway, yeah, it got me real good.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: They jumped whaying yeah while I was playing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And then they went ahead and put me on the
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: European team. They put me on the European team on
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: this the losing this team. That record was zero and thirty,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the worst team ever in Germany. They were zero wins
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: and thirty losses. But when I left, guess what they
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: were champions.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Wow, they were chams.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I took it to a whole nother level. I opened
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: them up.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: It was coming from where you came from, going to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: being able to travel our season. Can we just walk
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: through that little that experience. Just for a brief second,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I know we're going to go.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: It was tough. It was tough because during the time
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I came from a nice penhouse. But I mean I
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: had a bad car and I had an excellent career.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: You feel being a superstar at Cabrini. Oh, they came
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: and got me and recruited me for I had. It
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was excellent. Had I gone over there first and checked
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: it out, I would not have stayed. But because I
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: gave everything away, my home and I was on the
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: twelfth floor, bad car and excellent career, and then I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: went over there without visiting, I stayed. It was I
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: got paid two thousand a week. Wow, that was good money.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: But the homes were European. It was something that I
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't accustomed to. They were different. If ipartments were very different,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and I didn't like them. They were just old agent.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: During the time I was there, training was great. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: was there when the Berlin Wall came down. Now, mind you,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know much about the Berlin Wall, but what
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I do know is that all the athletes are running
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: to the Berlin Wall. And I even see old women
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: people with canes, man female walking with Kynes and I
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: can feel this energy and the energy is insurmountable. It's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: absolutely powerful. And I'm just saying to myself, I don't
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: understand what they're saying, but what I do understand is
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: that this energy is legacy. This must be history. It
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: has to be because I'm looking at everything with my
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: eyes and they were like, yeah, get a piece of
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the wall, Get a piece of the wall. In my mind,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I ain't carrying no rocks around with me.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Now I had wish I had, Yeah, because I didn't
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: know then what I know now. You did. So that
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: was a real cool experience. I spent a lot of
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: time in Amsterdam because I had to keep the balance.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: You did travel aize, So I was there for two
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: years now Maya. I had to figure out what I
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: was gonna do because I didn't want to stay there
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: another year. Yeah, figure out whatever, So what am I
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: gonna do from here? I saw Sin say, Benny the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: jet your ti dez from Van Nis on television. He
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: was fighting that said that's what I want to do.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: So I wrote his address down and everything Darren counting
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Van night. And when I left jer I didn't resign
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: my contract in basketball contractors. I went ahead and wrote
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: his information down. I caught the plane and when straight
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: came straight to California, knocked on Sin and say Bennie
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the jet door and started working with him. And like
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I told him, I said, look, I want to learn karate.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: He knew I was something, you know. I said, I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: want to learn kickboxing. I said, I don't know karate.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I said, I don't know kickboxing, but I know karate.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I said, and I'm real coachable, So you teach me.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I'll get it. So he went ahead and took me
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: on his wing, introduced me to his brother. When his sister, Lily,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: your teez got with those guys, and I started competing
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: left and right. That's when I started eating oodles and noodles.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Oh that's when you started eating oodles, and when I
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: came okay, yeah, okay, so you and how different was
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the training between kickboxing and karate.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: It was very different because with kickboxing, you're kicking, you're
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: using your shins, you know what I mean. Your ship
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: is like a baseball bat, as opposed to with karate.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're kicking with the insect of your foot here,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: so you're like slapping. But with kickboxing, you're using this part.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Let's say this is your leg. You're using this here,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: this is your shin. And when your shin hits a rib,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you know, it can break a rib. When your shin
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: hits a head, it can break ahead. When your shin
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: hits an arm, it can break these four arms. When
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: your shin hits a thigh, it can break it. Because
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: our shin is real thick. It's like a baseball bat.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: So our legs are like baseball bats, our arms are
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: like boots.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, especially the way you can do the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: same thing, dude, R.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: That my mom used to say, Hen, we're off, and cup,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: we're off for good.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Now your mom's fully into what you do now, one
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: hundred percent right.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: My mom's big tongue, big tongue.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I love your Yeah, my mom's best.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So anyway, I got to fight for a
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: world championship fight. So what happened? I need to Like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I said, I was eatings and I need to make money.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And I started working for AT and T and I
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: got bit into a Domino's game by this girl named Benita.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And when I went to Domino's down at Inglewood, Lonnie,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know Lonnie Franklin Junior, the grim Sleeper. He
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: had killed over one hundred black women down in Inglewood.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, here raped and killed him Jesus. But what happened?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately I had met him at a Dominoes game because
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how to play dominance. We were playing domins.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: He offered me a right's like two three o'clock in
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the morning, and that's when I realized what the heck
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: it was real crowd. I realized I'm around people I
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: don't even know. It's two three o'clock in the morning.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: And then Lonnie gave me a drink and I took
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit of it. Then all of a sudden,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I started films tired, so I walked So I walked
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: into the bathroom to throw water on my face clearhself.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, look, two three o'clock, it's time for me
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to go. Already lost all my pay check every day,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: that was all my Money's not for me to go.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Threw water on my first And when I walked out
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the door, Lonnie was there, and I was like, yo, man, chill,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I don't roll like that, because I thought he was
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Benita's due. Because Benita is the one who invited me
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: to the game, to the Dominoes game. Anyway, So I'm like, Benita, look,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. Yeah, she said, why don't you start?
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I said, no, I don't know nobody. I don't want
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: to stay here. I want to go home and see
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: my own bed, she said. And then Lonnie said, well,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I take you home. And me knowing me and me
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: growing up around fourteen guys, because my mother has eight brothers,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: and then my dad's brothers, and me growing around, growing
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: up around, and then me growing up martial arts, I
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: felt I thought that was cool. I felt I could
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: handle myself. It wasn't thinking that. So anyway, I go
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: to he opens the door, Lonnie does, and he opens
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the door at the van door and I get on in. Now,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: when I get in, he shut the door. I heard something,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: you understand. I heard something with the lock. When I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: heard something with the lock, my thoughts for father, Please
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: don't let me have to fuck this man up. You understand,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: because I heard something with the lock. You dig So
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I get on in. We driving, I say, turn right.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: He turned left. I'm mind you. I'm a little dizzy,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: light headed, so I'm trying to get some air because
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: he obviously puts something in my drink. So my head's
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: leaning on the window and saying, I said, turn right.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: He turned left. I said, yo, bro, you're going wrong.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: What Then next thing I know, we wind up in
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: this secluded area with nothing but fall And first thing
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: he says is let me stick it in and I'll
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: take you home. I said, yo, Bron, I said no,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you let me out this van. You will never see
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: me again, and Benita would never see me again. So
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: when he said that, I'm reaching for the knob to
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: try to open the door, and I'm fumbling around. There's
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: no knob, so I'm reaching for the other knob to
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: roll the window down. There's no wind. I can't roll
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the window down, so I had to look. So then
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: when I'm looking, then when I turned back, I saw
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: him his face totally transformed. He had a belt on
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: his fist. Oh no, And he said, let me stick
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: it in and I'll take you home. I said, no, man,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: let me out this van. Then that's when he went
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: to punch boom. And when he went to punch me
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: in my face and my temple, that's when I blocked it.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Boom I hang bam, and I ran to the back
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: of the van. I ran as hard as I could
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: to the back of the bed, and soon as I
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: got to the back of the bed, as a big
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: ass chain on it in the lock, I couldn't get out.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I said, wait, fuck inside the.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Inside the van and yeah, I ran to the back
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: of the van to get escaped, and I ran right
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: into his strap. There's a big ass chain on it. Like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get out. So I turned my back toward
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: him that he was coming to the back of the van,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and I figured my only way out is to get
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: out his door, because that's the way he got in.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: So I went diving packed. I want to push him back.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I went for by him boom, and I went to
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: try to open the door and on his door, and
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: that's when he grabbed my legs and pulled me to
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: the back of the van and then bull flipped me
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: over and he got on top of me. I'll never
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: forget as long as I lift.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: You're the grownd snatching right.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that the hotel. He said, let me
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: stick it in and I'll take you home. He on
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: top of me. I said, no, man, nah, let me out.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: This damn band. You'll never see me again, and Benita
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: damn show, will never see me here, he said. I said.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: He was getting angry and I could see he said.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: I said, let me stick it in and I'll take
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: you home. And he was real calm about that shit,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: and I said no. And then he said it again,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: this time with much force on my wrist, and the
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: voice said just let him exactly. I said okay. I
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: said okay. As soon as he released my wrists, I
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: was up against the wall. I was back up on
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: my feet and up against the van. That's when I
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: started throwing jabs at him, pop crossing, pop, throwing leg
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: kicks at him, bop chopping that one leg, jop bop.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I was just chopping pop chop pumped. Then all of
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: a sudden, he was like, oh shit, you weren't them
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: fighting bitches? Yeah sucking. I was chopping that leg down
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: boom boom. All of a sudden, I saw fear in
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: his eyes because I knew that leg was going down.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: It was going down out because my legs are like axes.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you got.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Bamit busting boom. Moved to the side and say, yeah, pops,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: left leg boom. Moving back to the rights out jab
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: boom boom. I was just chopping. Then all of a sudden,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: he came running at me like a football player, and
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: he tackled to tackle me, and I hit up against
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the van and when he went to tackle me, I
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: grabbed it into his shirt tail. I pulled it over
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: to tied it swung him down. I ran down. I
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: grabbed his pants, I pulled it over shoes. I stepped
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: on the chest and that's when I grabbed his dick. Yeah, buddy,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: because I'm a dick grabber. And I said, where the keys?
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: That motherfucker he was like, I get out? Oh some down?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: You want me to get out? When I wanted to
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: get out, I had to let you stick it in first, Okay,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: I said, where the keys at? I had, you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: live my parking in PA. Which one I reached and
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I pull out? He got a gang of keys on there,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: gang up. I said, which one is it? He says
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: the orange. I grabbed theim food food and I pulled
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: him all the way over. Two threes. Get up, get
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: up and shout out you wanted. When I wanted to
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: get out, I had to let stick it and shut
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: out I unlocked the door, pulled the chain off. I
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: kicked it over.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: You're grabbing him by the dick. The whole time, I got.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: That motherfucker holding on, clamping on. I didn't know balls
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and dick. It even moved like that girl. I didn't
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: know that. Get stretched that damn high. I had no clue.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: But I'm turning. I still stayed on his chest. I
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: had no clues. I was holding on to him, and
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I moved over. He said, I said, now, if ever
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you see me on the streets, what are you going
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: to say? He said Hi. I was like, He's like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I said, no, you're not, motherfucker. If ever you see
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: me on the street, you're gonna go the opposite direction.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Do you underfucking stand me? He said, you know, get out?
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And one more stuff. I made sure I was outdy,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I had my ass still had on. He had the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: danger like his balls, everything on. One more that's had inside.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I had to say, Claire, I said, one more thing.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: When the bed says no, she means no. And I
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: rocked him fire and I started walking out, and I
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: tossed the keys and I walked into a whole lot
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: of fog. So I kept falling, trying to find.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: You're still you still got the stuff in you there and.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to fall and trying to find my way
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: and all this fall, and all of a sudden, Colin,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I see these two tiny dots, two tiny dots, two lights,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: and I'm walking toward them close and the closer I get,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the light get bigger and bigger. Then all of a sudden,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I go on the other side of the fog and
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: the car and guess what it was a yellow cab
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: with an old white man in it. He was just
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: sitting there with the lights on him. Oh wow, looking
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: thank you so again. And I said, and my shirt
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: on halfway off Teddy hanging out loft, dare shoes ranking
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: air ring all that shit, oh shit hanging out. And
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I said, this guy tried to rape me. Gotta get
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: me out of here. He says, okay, so he takes off.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: He takes me to my place, and I'm just thinking
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I gotta pay him. So I go up. I said,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: hang tight, I'm gonna I'm gonna pay you. Soon as
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I go to the door and I turned back, the
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: cabin is gone. The cabin is gone. I'm like, go
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: and side pick the phone up. I called my mom,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this dude tried to rape me. I went out of
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: California right now. She said, what I said, the dude
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: tried to rape me. I went out of California right now.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: She said, did Sissy, did he rape you? I said no,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I fucked him up. She said, good. Then it was
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: a fight, and you want to fight, We'll get you home.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: We'll get you home. And I was on the next
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: flight back to Philly. Bad shit went. So anyway, I'm
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: back home Philly and stuff like that. Shall it stop
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: or continue?
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: You can continue. We're over time, guys, you understand.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I go back to Philly. I'm like tripping
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: out on an airplane. I'm tripping now. First of all,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: on the airplane. I'm tripping out because I'm still fighting,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean fighting. I don't trust nobody now.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: And my my everything is just hyper my hearing. I
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: hear everybody, and I hear everything everybody's saying. But everything
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: is just I heard everything. So anyway, get back to Philly.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: My family's there, hug My tell was going down. I'm
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: never gonna come. I'm never coming back to California again.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: That was it. I didn't care. Leave all the material
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: leading card, all this stuff, I didn't care. I didn't care.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: That's how traumatic that experience was.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm never coming back to California again. So anyway,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I'm back home. My fight team doesn't know that I'm
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: back home because we never really talked about our personal lives.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: We only talked about fighting. So anyway, I'm back home
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: my mom. Since he stopped because I'm talking and turning out.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: If we didn't realize I had PTSD, you know what
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, That's how I acquired TSD from that experience.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Cause I'm telling you, I was traumatized, but I was experience.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: But I was ready for him.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: So anyway, you know you was beyond ready. Let me
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: tell you something. They could do a whole movie around
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that scene.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: You know. That's funny. As moving forward to what happened
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: was I get this call from California Bennie de jet
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: thin Kidas, Hey, we got this opportunity for you to
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: fight for a world title. I was like what, I
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: was like, y'all coming to New York. I ain't going
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: to calling you. So my other coach, Davies, Look, you
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: got everything to gain, nothing to lose, now mind. They
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: don't know what I just went to. I said, man, look,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not coming back. Man, I ain't coming back there.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: They said, but you got opportunity to fight the most
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: dangerous woman in the world. So what happened? She was
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: on David Lennoman, right, and that's and they was like, Fredia,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: free your turn TV. I'm back here in Philly. I'm like,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: it's turn TV. So I see her, they like, and
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: the guy says to her, no, it's Johnny Carson, and
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  Speaker 2: he says, if you're the most dangerous woman in the world,
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  Speaker 2: He said, how can you be the most dangerous woman
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  Speaker 2: in the world when you've never fought anyone in America?
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  Speaker 2: And she said, I am here to fight flee g
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  Speaker 2: I Gibbs in her French accent, and that kind of
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  Speaker 2: inspired me. But it Morse inspired my mom, you understand.
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  Speaker 2: Morse inspired my grandma because my mom was like, what's
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  Speaker 2: a record? I said, twenty eight and two. My mom said, shit,
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  Speaker 2: she ain't that damn dang s Gotta asked, well twice
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  Speaker 2: you got damn tell her. I said that Jordan wanted her.
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  Speaker 2: Mama warned her about you understand, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I ain't gone. And then my grandmom says, listen, you
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  Speaker 2: are star Fredia, and your job is to go out
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  Speaker 2: there and let the world know you're a star. Go Na,
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  Speaker 2: I ain't gone. I'm talking. I'm not gone. So then
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  Speaker 2: and then finally I just want to decided, you know what, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: my mom's lord, let's look at the map. I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to look at the map. Where is Inglewood on the map?
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  Speaker 2: Down there? Okay, I'm up here in Van and that's okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: big difference. Okay, I handled that part, but I had
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  Speaker 2: to see it. That makes it. I wanted to make sure,
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  Speaker 2: I say, because I didn't want to run into him
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  Speaker 2: on the streets. And I want to tell you this here.
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  Speaker 2: Throughout from nineteen ninety three up until the day that
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  Speaker 2: they call him, I've always looked over my shoulders in
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  Speaker 2: fear that I would run into him.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, is into ash And you still have.
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  Speaker 2: That, yeah, because yeah, because I've never had First of all,
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  Speaker 2: I've never been caught and damn sardine can with someone
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  Speaker 2: who was really trying to really rape me. You understand,
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  Speaker 2: I've never experienced that before ever, And it was a
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  Speaker 2: different kind of vibe. It was a different kind of energy,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a different kind of beast that I
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  Speaker 2: was dealing with, which forced me to bring out a
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  Speaker 2: beast in me that I didn't know I had it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes just make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, so I went ahead and took the
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  Speaker 2: fight Championship. Fight, came back, started training with Saxon jan Jier.
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  Speaker 2: We did our magic there u c LA Drake Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: We prepared for kickboxing, multi kickboxing. We drive to San Jose.
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  Speaker 2: She's standing there looking off flying. You could tell she
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  Speaker 2: was a superstar. You could really tell. She's stand and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: they're looking press conference. She looking fly dress on first,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking dress. My thought was this girl looking off flying? Shit?
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  Speaker 2: Did she come here to model? I came here to fight?
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  Speaker 2: You did? Okay? Fine, So she comes up to me
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  Speaker 2: and she says to me and oh she got this
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  Speaker 2: whole entourroze all the French people. I looked on the
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  Speaker 2: mop and I couldn't fight Chester and everybody started laughing.
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  Speaker 2: I said, bitch, tonight, not only will you find Chester
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  Speaker 2: on the map, I want you to know that I'm
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  Speaker 2: the one your mama warned your ball. Okay, oh okay,
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  Speaker 2: and I just stood there looked at her. Undefeated guys
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: at the time, I was, yeah, I was undefeated. I
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  Speaker 2: was like eleven and oh with ten knockouts at the time.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, we started fighting there and then before we
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  Speaker 2: go to fight, what happened is the promoter comes and
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  Speaker 2: he says, we're gonna switch the fight from muy tier kickboxing.
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  Speaker 2: And they was like, listen, her leg's gonna get tired
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  Speaker 2: quickly because I was trained for more time. And then
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  Speaker 2: that's when my coach said to me, look, all the
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  Speaker 2: cars are stacked against you. They think that you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be a punching bag. You understand, I said, man,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: she and I'd have had over three hundred fights. If
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: they don't know, I had over three hundred fights in Philly, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they don't know. They call me Lady Jack Johnson and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: the Projects. Yet I'm from the projects. Man, I ain't
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: worrying about that.
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  Speaker 1: This is my mind setting.
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  Speaker 2: So as I'm walking through to the ring, I hear
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  Speaker 2: these people yelling that's the black girl who came here
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  Speaker 2: to get knocked out. And at that time, that's when
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  Speaker 2: I said a silent prayer to God, tonight, Father, we
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  Speaker 2: are going to shock the world. You understand, we got
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  Speaker 2: in the ring. She was off here. Yeah, I got her.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I got her. She come over. Bam, baby, she got me.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't know girls, and look that damn fine could
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  Speaker 2: fight well, she could put it all you shit. She
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: was putting it on me. And for real, she's putting
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  Speaker 2: on me. And I was really surprised because when I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: saw her, she was flying, feminine and sexy. I was
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: not real athletic like me, understand, and I was like, wow,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: so she's putting it on me. So I had to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: grab her. Then I said, okay, hold on, I'm in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: for a real tough one. So we started going in
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  Speaker 2: and boom. First round, yes, she won. Second round, we
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: was gonna oh boom, bam you fine? Yes? So yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: keep you bad you chest yet, So we're going there.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, the third round, I started
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: my legs were getting tired. Yeah, so I had to
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  Speaker 2: reach deep down inside because I was seeing myself fall.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: You know the old saying you see it, believe it achieved.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I was seeing myself fall. I was like no. I
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: kept saying no, and I can't fight no. Then I
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: said father, I had to reach deep and the and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I said, Father, helped me. My legs are getting tired.
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  Speaker 2: Help me, Father, This is what I was saying. And
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden I kicked Bam and she went
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: to throw a punch and I came back and through
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  Speaker 2: one of those project hooks from the project I called
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  Speaker 2: my project Bram and she it connected with her and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: the temple and it spent her around that I hit
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  Speaker 2: her again, Bram.
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  Speaker 1: And she went on down.
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  Speaker 2: At that time, it was amazing. I stood over her.
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  Speaker 2: The referee count. I sitot over her with my hands
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  Speaker 2: up and listen to this. Here there is a picture
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  Speaker 2: of me standing over the most dangerous woman in the
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  Speaker 2: world in front of over twenty thousand people in the arena.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: And the clock right there says age sixteen. A sixteen
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: is my mama's birthday. Damn. Wow, that's down in history.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Ain't that crazy?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: And that's nice?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I love So that's the story. Wow.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. They you need a movie.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: You need a movie.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you maya video my short film video that was
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: created by Sideline. I want to give them props. And
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: then we I went ahead and got collaborated with gold Casts.
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  Speaker 2: They're very huge in Canada, and then I had an
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: opportunity to collaborate with TF you Sports and all of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: us collectively, we got over seventeen million views which would
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  Speaker 2: viral and hopefully something's real good in the basket there.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: But it's very important that we learned to move in
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: silence and win in silence. And once we've won in silence,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: then we can share it with the world. That makes sense, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: because you know there are enemies, there are people out there.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: There's wolves out there, wol if it's one thing we
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: learned from this interview, there are wolves out there.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you Little ride Hood is a
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  Speaker 2: true story. Yeah, what you want to do is flip
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the script on the wolf. That's my mom used to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: tell me, Sissy, little Red riding Hood. That's a true story, baby.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: But you want to learn to flip the script on
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: the wolf. Do you understand me? That's very real.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: That's very real. It's a great way to close out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: With that being said, can people do to keep up
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: with that Chitta?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? You could just follow me on Instagram, Facebook, all
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  Speaker 2: of them Twitter. It's just Freedia and the Cheetah Gibbs
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: at y'all Freda the Cheatah gibs your dig. That's what
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's your dig at the end, Fredia the Cheatah
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  Speaker 1: Cheetah gibbs your dig on all social media platforms. Thank
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: you so much for cooking for me, and the meal
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: was for the Champion side of life. She ate noodles
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  Speaker 1: and noodles and this story was truly incredible. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for your time, Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, thoroughly, thoroughly inspired by your entire story.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I appreciate you know, I thoroughly appreciate you guys
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: inviting me. It's fun.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun, right, and you make bamba spirious.
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  Speaker 1: You don't even try it?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:05:44
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