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55KRC Tuesday Show - Todd Zinser, Breitbart, Deep Dive, OHC · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Five o five.
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  Speaker 2: If you have k r C DE talk station.
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  Speaker 3: Some sense, they said, snow, I gotta get the run
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  Speaker 3: of bout like that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you're gonna mind your p's and q's on
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  Speaker 2: the roads this morning. Not a whole lot's been taken
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  Speaker 2: care of, at least from my experience. It is just
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  Speaker 2: five o six, So, uh, you've got some time. I
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  Speaker 2: presume there are school in business closings. I'm busily trying
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  Speaker 2: to find it on the website. Just tracker, executiveroducer where's
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  Speaker 2: the school in business closings link? I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 2: not in my control anymore. Those days are long gone,
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  Speaker 2: so if you can find it, please let me know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little embarrassing that you know. Well. Listen, some
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  Speaker 2: people have issues with their employer from time to time.
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  Speaker 2: Some people have technical difficulties that are out of their control.
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  Speaker 2: It's out of my control right now. But I want
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  Speaker 2: to thank Zimmer Heating and Air Conditioning for sponsoring these
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  Speaker 2: school and business closings. Find people they are, and I
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  Speaker 2: will give them props for doing so. Sadly, I can
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  Speaker 2: give them props but not know where to click to
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  Speaker 2: find out where these school and business closings are Addie
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  Speaker 2: how Brian Thomas right here glad to be. If you've
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  Speaker 2: got a call you want to you want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about something, feel free to give me you a rank
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  Speaker 2: five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty five hundred, eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred eighty two to three. Talk found five fifty on
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  Speaker 2: at and T phone fifty five Casey dot com where
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  Speaker 2: you can see the information like a podcast. It's right there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it. Christopher Smithaman and Spleen vent from
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  Speaker 2: yesterday the Sine Type in Print Museum Charles Dickens Christmas
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  Speaker 2: event this weekend. You got to check that out. You
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  Speaker 2: got three days to get on into the Print and
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  Speaker 2: Type or Type in Print Museum and you'll get to
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  Speaker 2: use the reproduction of the Gutenberg Press to print out
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  Speaker 2: chapter five of Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol, which is
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  Speaker 2: the one where Ebney's a Scrooge wakes up on Christmas
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  Speaker 2: morning fully in light and scare the crap out of him,
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  Speaker 2: facing eternal damnation for not being a charitable person. So
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  Speaker 2: there you have it. Apparently that was the first Christmas
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  Speaker 2: story that really linked that charitable giving to the concept
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  Speaker 2: of eternal damnation. Anyway, a really good conversation with the
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  Speaker 2: type in print museum folks, but great opportunity. Also get
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  Speaker 2: to print out some Christmas paper three days worth of that.
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  Speaker 2: The details that you have cares dot Com, so check
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  Speaker 2: that out while you're busily trying to find for the
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  Speaker 2: school and business closings information. Does it sound like I'm
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  Speaker 2: biting the hand to feed me? Or am I just
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  Speaker 2: expressing frustration you're creating? Oh, Joe Strecker is going to
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  Speaker 2: solve the problem, even though it's not his job to
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  Speaker 2: do it. Doesn't that job exist in Chicago or something.
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  Speaker 2: There's someplace out in the world that deals with all
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  Speaker 2: of our technical issues, probably Arizona, where they're not experiencing
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  Speaker 2: heavy snowfall, as the roads are quite slick, stating the obvious.
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  Speaker 2: But for some people, Cincinnati Snowplowed Tracker is live now.
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  Speaker 2: I maybe it's just me. I was anxious to click
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  Speaker 2: on this because I know that there is such a
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  Speaker 2: thing as the snow plow Tracker. I have the link
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  Speaker 2: in front of me. It says City of Cincinnati in
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  Speaker 2: large words, snow plow tracker, give you some information. Tell
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  Speaker 2: you what the chart reads, untreated, pre treatment, salted, plowed,
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  Speaker 2: salted and plowed or problem which you can report. Sadly,
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  Speaker 2: the screen which is supposed to reflect the status of
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  Speaker 2: any given road in my studio anyway, does not work.
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  Speaker 2: It's a black screen. It's like, Joe, does it work
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  Speaker 2: in your studio? Yes, it does, so you can click
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  Speaker 2: on that. And I relied on WCPO. They have a
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  Speaker 2: link on their reporting on this. But it's a real
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  Speaker 2: time if you can see it. Snowplow Tracker system live
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  Speaker 2: first for the first time yesterday, claim to be minute
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  Speaker 2: by minute updates so you know what roads you can
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  Speaker 2: drive on or what roads are allegedly prepared. Joe suggested
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  Speaker 2: that everything showed. All the roads showed at least pre treatment.
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  Speaker 2: Although I drove see from Sims Township East Kemper down
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  Speaker 2: Montgomery onto seventy one over or onto two seventy five
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  Speaker 2: to seventy one, nothing looked like it had been touched.
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  Speaker 2: And if it had been touched, the snow recovered the roadways.
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  Speaker 2: Now there were trucks out, but I couldn't go faster
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  Speaker 2: than let's say, forty miles per hour. And yes, I
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  Speaker 2: drove the Key today, which is a four wheel drive car,
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  Speaker 2: and didn't drive my car real real drive, even though
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  Speaker 2: I got winter tires on it. It's just you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you got four wheel drive, they drive the four
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  Speaker 2: wheel drive car. It is slippery out there. It could
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  Speaker 2: be very dangerous. And you know there are idiots out
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  Speaker 2: on the road all the time, and idiots on the
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  Speaker 2: road when there's snow make things that much more difficult.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, they say the large chunks of all the
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  Speaker 2: roads were pre treated yesterday evening in anticipation, but we
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  Speaker 2: got right now. So color coded system which tells you
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  Speaker 2: what it has been treated, not treated, et cetera. So
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  Speaker 2: if you see the orange line, if it works where
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  Speaker 2: you are, that means saltan and plowed. A blue road
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  Speaker 2: means it's been salted. A red road means problem danger
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  Speaker 2: Will Robinson yellow pre treatment. Green is plowed. And then
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  Speaker 2: the gray line means they haven't touched it, which would
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  Speaker 2: be all the lines that I drove on on the
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  Speaker 2: way to work this morning. It's kind of interesting, Joe said,
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  Speaker 2: no one's around. Chuck Ingram hasn't shown up yet. We
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen Chuck his lights off in his studio. I
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  Speaker 2: guess no one's gonna get traffic today. Joe Strecker happens
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  Speaker 2: to be the only producer in the building right now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what more can you do than laugh? Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: The system was implemented after the catastrophe that was in
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  Speaker 2: January where there was a couple of days where a
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  Speaker 2: snowfall and a lot of roads didn't get touched. A
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  Speaker 2: couple of days go by where streets remained unplowed. Mary
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  Speaker 2: have to have parvol got a big earful over that one.
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  Speaker 2: Poor folks in Mount Adams didn't even get their roads treated.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if things have changed this morning. You can
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  Speaker 2: feel free to chime in on that as well. Five
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  Speaker 2: one thirty seven, four nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: and eight two three talk Time play fifty on eighteen
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  Speaker 2: t phone coming up on the show. This is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a good show this morning. At least I'm excited
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  Speaker 2: about the seven o'clock hour, the return of our Citizen Watchdog,
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  Speaker 2: the man responsible for the Citizen Watchdog podcast produced by
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  Speaker 2: executive producer Joe Strecker. And letim put a plug in
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  Speaker 2: for Joe. You want to do a podcast, You want
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  Speaker 2: to get on there and event your spleen or talk
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  Speaker 2: about some cool stuff or what at least seems to
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  Speaker 2: be cool to you. Get in touch with Joe, He'll
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  Speaker 2: produce it. That's what it is for Todd Zenzer. Todd Zenzer,
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  Speaker 2: former Inspector General for the United States of America, always
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  Speaker 2: keeping his eye on the shenannigans going on in downtown.
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  Speaker 2: There seems to be an endless supply of those topics.
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  Speaker 2: Today with Todd Zenzer in studio, Hey Todd, if you're
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  Speaker 2: out there, leave a little bit early Cincinnati scrap lead
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  Speaker 2: pipe scandal, talk about Cincinnati's Snap and wik programs, which
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  Speaker 2: there may be a solution coming our way thanks to
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  Speaker 2: some people who are now interested in ferreting out fraud,
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  Speaker 2: waste and abuse, which I've been on a tear lately
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  Speaker 2: over so Cincinnati Snap and Wig programs plus unregulated group homes.
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  Speaker 2: Todd will explain all of that and let me encourage
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  Speaker 2: you to well check out his podcast wherever you find
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  Speaker 2: your podcast at Citizen Watchdog eight oh five. Of course,
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: it's Tuesday, the Inside Scoop that Bright Bart News financial
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  Speaker 2: editor John Carney is going to be doing an empower
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  Speaker 2: you seminar tonight seven pm. We'll talk about that. Daniel
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  Speaker 2: Davis Deep Dive. We got some good things to talk
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  Speaker 2: about with Daniel. I think I don't know I who's
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  Speaker 2: going to be any good news, because every time we
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  Speaker 2: end the segment, it's like, well, here we are, status quo.
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  Speaker 2: It's been like this for a year. Both sides are
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  Speaker 2: seeming to be in an impossible, untenable position with regard
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  Speaker 2: to the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. I saw an
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  Speaker 2: article over on Zerohead Ukrainian prosecutors are handling more than
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  Speaker 2: three hundred thousand desertion cases. That doesn't look good. Now
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  Speaker 2: the figures are you a big question marks fog of war?
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  Speaker 2: You know what is really happening. We've heard more. We've
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  Speaker 2: heard four hundred thousand, we've heard one hundred and fifty thousand,
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  Speaker 2: But you're in the six figures when terms of Ukrainian
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  Speaker 2: soldiers deserting, reportedly deserting like one guy every couple of
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  Speaker 2: seconds or minutes as the case. Maybe you may get
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  Speaker 2: him to chime in on that. Russia proclaiming final victory
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  Speaker 2: of the city of Parkervosk on the eve of the
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  Speaker 2: Putin Witcoff Peace Plan meeting that was yesterday, and then
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  Speaker 2: we have NATO mulling what they're calling preemptive strikes against
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  Speaker 2: Russia's hybrid warfare. Chairman of NATO's Military Committee says they're
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  Speaker 2: currently mulling more proactive measures in response to Russia's escalating
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  Speaker 2: hybrid warfare, cyber attacks, sabotage operations, airspace violations over Europe,
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  Speaker 2: which the NATO Military Committee is suggesting they could mirror
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  Speaker 2: and maybe ratchet up. The words World War three ever
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  Speaker 2: come anybody's mind when you hear things like that. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get the Daniel Davis Deep Dive at eight thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Then we get the sc expert, my good friends at OHC,
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  Speaker 2: the cancer specialists today doctor ANDW. Paul on lung cancer. Well,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully they usually have some good news with regard to
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  Speaker 2: cancer research, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we
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  Speaker 2: will get some good news. And speaking of good news,
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  Speaker 2: I did have it in my mind I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: start with a couple of good news stories this morning,
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  Speaker 2: one that made national news and giving Breitbart props. Since
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  Speaker 2: Bridebart inside Scoop is today, That's where I found the story,
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  Speaker 2: although I did see it locally as well. We got
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  Speaker 2: an Ohio couple very happy their car and their pet
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  Speaker 2: were stolen from a parking lot that it was found.
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  Speaker 2: Happened Saturday evening Rookwood parking Lot. These targeted Jimmy Herman
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  Speaker 2: and Olivia Molina's vehicle WLWT providing the news on this
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  Speaker 2: one and thank you for the local reporting and a
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  Speaker 2: positive story. Dolly the dog inside the vehicle when for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, Herman left it running but locked it went
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  Speaker 2: into a local pizza joined to pick up his pizza order.
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  Speaker 2: When they got out, I guess the car was gone,
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  Speaker 2: and of course the dog was with it. They alerted
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  Speaker 2: the internet community, which was responsive. Molina said, I immediately thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: Oakley Hyde Park Moms, the Facebook group she's a member of,
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  Speaker 2: We'll be all over this. I had strangers message to
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  Speaker 2: me saying that they were driving around in the area
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  Speaker 2: looking for her. I had people asking me how they
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  Speaker 2: could help. You ever lose your dog? Did your dog
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  Speaker 2: ever run away? Man? That freaks me out. When I
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  Speaker 2: was a kid, my mom and dad's dogs, a little
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  Speaker 2: West Island White Terrier. That dog would run the hell away,
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  Speaker 2: and the opportunity it had it wouldn't come home. We
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  Speaker 2: had to spend out neighborhood crews and get local residents
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  Speaker 2: and people looking out for him, and it happened time
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  Speaker 2: and time again, and from that point forward, every time
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  Speaker 2: dog since nineteen ninety on my own first dog, Loophole,
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  Speaker 2: the Doberman, my wife take Doberman O, take Loophole out
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  Speaker 2: to the park and let it run freely, And it
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  Speaker 2: just wigged me out. Because I of course had the
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  Speaker 2: runaway dog in the back of my mind the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine scouring Chicago looking for a lost dog. Fortunately,
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  Speaker 2: Loophole never ran away, but in this particular case it
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  Speaker 2: was out of Dolly's hands. Someone stole the dog with
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  Speaker 2: the car, so they shared photos online what they believed
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  Speaker 2: was Dolly, and a man using a drone also helped
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  Speaker 2: track her down. The dog eventually found, although abandoned, in
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  Speaker 2: East Walnut Hills. This after spending a night alone in
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  Speaker 2: the dark. Law enforcement found the couple's car over in
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  Speaker 2: East Price Hill. Thieves had torn out the tracking software
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  Speaker 2: and removed the license plates. So thieves, I guess, are
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  Speaker 2: aware where your tracking software is. Herman. Mister Herman had
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  Speaker 2: the key fob with him when he went inside to
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  Speaker 2: pick up the food order. Here's another alert for you.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently that doesn't work. Thieves can use what was described
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  Speaker 2: here as universal keys to access cars drivers. Car drivers
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  Speaker 2: that when the engine is running, even if it's locked. Boy,
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  Speaker 2: they these criminal elements have taken it to the next level.
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  Speaker 2: So don't leave your car running, lock it and then
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  Speaker 2: turn it back on when you get back in. I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So they thanked everybody. They thanked the community social media,
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  Speaker 2: and they said, while the people who dumped her outside
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  Speaker 2: absolutely suck, we are blown away by your kindness of
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  Speaker 2: our community. Thank you all, she wrote, So thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You know that's as a dog owner, that is just
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. Strangers coming together to help someone find
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  Speaker 2: their lost pat And look, we can all praise social
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  Speaker 2: media for having that. If I was a kid, you
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  Speaker 2: were stuck, you go door to door and ask people
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  Speaker 2: to help you out. If you see Buffy the dog,
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  Speaker 2: would you please let us know we'll come pick them up.
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  Speaker 2: Now you've got social media to help well ease that process.
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  Speaker 2: Success story right there, which is good. Another positive news.
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  Speaker 2: Really quickly enjoy it. Gas prices have fallen to the
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  Speaker 2: lowest national average since May of twenty twenty one, American
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  Speaker 2: Automobile Association reporting the national average three dollars a gallon,
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  Speaker 2: although if you're lucky enough to live in Oklahoma average
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  Speaker 2: two dollars and forty cents. If you're unlucky to live
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  Speaker 2: in California, the most expensive state in the Union, where
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  Speaker 2: gallon of gas costs four dollars and fifty six cents
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  Speaker 2: on average. Hawaii's even cheaper at four dollars and forty
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  Speaker 2: one cents per gallon. Smile, you're paying three. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: checked gas Buddy for local prices, but I welcome the
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  Speaker 2: well at least some relief inflation. Yes, obviously the price
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  Speaker 2: of fuels directly linked to inflation. Obviously you're paying a
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  Speaker 2: ton more for gasoline. You have less money to spend
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  Speaker 2: on everything else, and the cost of shipping and everything
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  Speaker 2: else is expensive more because fuel is expensive. Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 2: all the above and policy will give him props for well,
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  Speaker 2: keep him gasoline down by nineteen Right now after you
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  Speaker 2: five karcity talk station QC Kinetics. If you want to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of your pain, it's an option right now
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  Speaker 2: for a five carsite talk station. Well Joe found the
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  Speaker 2: link to the School of Business closing and talk to
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  Speaker 2: you by Zimmerheating and Cooling. Although whatever, it's not working
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  Speaker 2: for me. I guess it must be my computer. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get see what new amster Gary's got this morning. New
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  Speaker 2: Amster Gary, welcome back, my friend. Good to hear from you.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, Hey, I was really kind of disturbed to
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  Speaker 1: hear that you were starting to have dreams like what
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  Speaker 1: you were talking about this weekend. I was too busy
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  Speaker 1: to call you yesterday, but I just want to say,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: welcome to the world of PTSD. And that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: that is. That that lasts for weeks sometimes. I had
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  Speaker 1: a reoccurring dream when I was in combat that it'll
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  Speaker 1: last for about three weeks for me. And you know
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  Speaker 1: it still if you hit me on the wrong way,
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  Speaker 1: it's still you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, oh yeah. The fact that you mentioned my
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  Speaker 2: dream now makes me feel uneasy and uncomfortable. Those those
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  Speaker 2: feelings deep inside me that I felt waking up from
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  Speaker 2: that disturbing dystopian dream. As I mentioned on the program,
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  Speaker 2: he actually lasted me all day on Sunday. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about it this morning when you bring
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  Speaker 2: it up. Yeah, it's just it's just it was depressing.
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  Speaker 2: It could feel at my stomach and that tightening in
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  Speaker 2: my in my chest.
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  Speaker 1: I want to tell you I feel for you. But
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  Speaker 1: there's also there's there's there's two things. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: say that if we look in history that there is
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a quote from also Mussolini, Banto Mussolini, and he was
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  Speaker 1: a big Fascist from Italy during World War two, and
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  Speaker 1: he had a nineteen twenty two state and it was
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  Speaker 1: called the USA Speech where he predicted and he quoted
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  Speaker 1: everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against
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  Speaker 1: the state. You will dream about the state, you will
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  Speaker 1: be the state. And I think if we look at
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  Speaker 1: what this guy up here, the Muslim up in, the
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  Speaker 1: mayor of New York, and I listened to his speech
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  Speaker 1: where he said, there's going to be nothing too big
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  Speaker 1: or too small that the government can't find an interest in.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is going to become more and
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  Speaker 1: more a reality. And I think psychologically, I think you're
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  Speaker 1: starting to really figure this out, and you're seeing the
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  Speaker 1: clouds on the horizon.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it reminded me of a movie. It's called Into
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  Speaker 1: the Storm, and strangely enough, it was in twenty eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a really good movie. And it's a movie
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  Speaker 1: about a man who has these terrifying nightmares and these
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  Speaker 1: nightmares keep getting more and more vivid for him, and
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  Speaker 1: he's moved to action on him unbeknownst to him, and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's just going, it's just a dream. It's just a dream.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally, as the movie moves on, it turns
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  Speaker 1: out that these dreams, it finally became reality, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and he saw tornadoes. But it's a metaphor for what's.
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  Speaker 2: Really going happen.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, what would you call premonissions. And it was a
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  Speaker 1: way of God telling this guy you have to act.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I had a caller at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the program suggests it was the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: It was God waking up and because you know, ultimately
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  Speaker 2: and we're out of time. But I got a point.
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  Speaker 2: I never remember my dreams. I mean rarely, rarely, rarely,
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  Speaker 2: So when I do, I was like kind of even
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  Speaker 2: make a note of saying to my wife, I had
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  Speaker 2: this really weird dream last night, which never happens. It
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  Speaker 2: was like once every six months I might remember one.
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  Speaker 2: This was like, yeah, I lived it, vivid, disturbing, dystopian.
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  Speaker 2: And again Eugene Debs's name showed up in my dream.
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  Speaker 2: And if you'd asked me the day before Eugene. You
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: mentioned Eugene Debs. I would have scoured my memory banks
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• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Look him up. Comedy getting it started the Socialist and
• 18:38
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  Speaker 2: late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundred. So that was
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: a weird alignment of the stars. New Hampshire, Garrett, appreciate it, man,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: thank you very much for bringing that up. And yeah,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: it's just I mean, it wasn't as if I wasn't
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: aware of the reality. It was all about this invasion
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: we've had that is undermining our culture, our norms, the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: criminal elements of comport into our country that have no
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: connection to our society or its foundations, that are just
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: literally undermining everything. You know, this nation might have been
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: built on immigrants, but you know what, we didn't have
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: a damn social welfare state that people could hook themselves
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: up to. That is ruining us financially. I mean, this
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is a weapon of war. Mass migration in a welfare
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: state like we've got is a weapon of financial war,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and we are losing it. New Hampshire, Gary, take care
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  Speaker 2: of my friend. Be careful out there. Five twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: Tell me how the snowplows are doing with the new
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  Speaker 2: speed bumps. Greg, Welcome to the Morning Show. Someone's Greg's
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  Speaker 2: in Florida. I guess you're gonna be snow to deal
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  Speaker 2: with this morning. Greg, Welcome to the Morning Show.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to work for right now.
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  Speaker 6: I just see fog. It's only sixty one right now.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: That fog may be fought up by the time the
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  Speaker 6: sun gets up now. I was telling Joe that I
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: was back up north over the Thanksgiving weekend and what
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: you're going through I was going through Saturday and Sunday,
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: and their forty degrees different is a big difference.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big difference. Yeah. That In Florida, though, you'll
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: find people wearing winter coats and sixty degree weather. My
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: dad used to make fun of the senior citizens down
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: there that did that. I mentioned that yesterday too.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yes, I mean it was.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: I mean there's guys that were there were hoodies and
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: everything else, and it's like, dude, it's sixty degrees, why
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: are you wearing a hoodie?
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Anyway, Also, I was going to touch on you was
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: talking about those lost animals or lost dogs back up north.
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  Speaker 6: When I was lived up above up by Cleveland, I
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: was the one they always called in and listened on
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: the phone when I can't get it through over iHeartRadio app. Yeah,
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: so that may pickle your brain on that one. But
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: my dogs would escape or get loose every once in
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: a while. They had Sam the parrot, and that helped
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: out quite a bit. They found them a couple of
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: times through Sam the Parrots. All right, that is an
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: extremely helpful website. If you're up around the Cleveland area,
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: around that area, well, you.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Know, fortunately, you know in terms of folks who love
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: dogs like I do, and if your dog runs away,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: we I mean, there's modern technology. You can put a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: tracking device on your dog. I imagine an air tag
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: might work for that. You've got social media now where
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you can alert all your neighbors. So it's a much
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: better place to be for lost dogs than it was
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: when I was a little like I still speaking of
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: post traumatic stress minor as it is, I still kind
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: of struggle with that with the idea of the dog
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: dog running away because of the trauma I experience as
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: a child with our dog running away and sometimes you
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: felt like never coming back, heartbreaking experience. All right, Greg,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: will you you rubbed it in sixty degrees but foggy,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: so the fog crimea river, Greg, we're dealing with uh
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: closed roads and shut down schools. Thanks for tuning in, Man,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: appreciate you calling from Florida. That's awesome. Be careful out
• 22:28
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  Speaker 5: Don't vote Democrat.
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  Speaker 2: There's Tom. Somebody sent a search party out for him.
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  Speaker 2: Hope he didn't run off the road getting out of
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  Speaker 2: his job at the building the convention center. Tom, if
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  Speaker 2: you're out there worried about you, my friend, he's probably
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  Speaker 2: at home. What a wos is that what you just said?
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  Speaker 1: Joe?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you Andrew Pappi's former Anderson Township trustee
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: for letting us know how deep the snow is at
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: his in his house. He sent a photograph. At least
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Joe Strecker gave him credit for it. What device did
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: he use to gauge the two inches worth of snow
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: in his backyard? I can't quite tell what this picture
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: is supposed to be, Joe Strecker. I'm not saying that
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: out loud anyhow. Anybody remember when he used to do
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the school in business closings out loud? You spend fifteen
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: twenty You go through every segment, just starting the school
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: business closings and then that will be it. You didn't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: have to do anything by way of content. I remember,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: long after we had electronic school and business closings and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: alerts on cell phones. I remember Jim Scott. He used
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to love to do him and he stuck to tradition
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: as long as he could. God bless him anyway. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: just looked and yes, the school and business closings are
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: now linked on my page fifty five krs dot com.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And uh, going back and waxing poetic about the old
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: days when I would wait around for my dad to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: read the school in business closing, hoping and hoping and hoping.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: He would say, oak Hills Local Schools, Yeah, they're closed too.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Pretty much everybody is today, so make sure you check
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it if you haven't gotten some advanced alert. And Joe said,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the snow trackerer alert will add this to the stack.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Is stupid because the brand new just launched yesterday Cincinnati
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Snowtracker apparently is down. It was working for Joe earlier.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get it to work, but he said he,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I guess it's been overwhelmed by the number of people
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: clicking on it. Joe or something to that effect, or
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: maybe they just turned it off because they didn't want
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to demonstrate incompetence. I'm just speculating at this juncture over
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the stack is stupid. Joe likes to throw me a
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: curveball every once in a while to see if he
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: can maintain see if I can maintain FCC compliance. While
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: reading an article as this tradition, which has the headline
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Kinky Kelly headed to jail for PA spree. What okay,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: let's give it a shot. New Hampshire woman known on
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: OnlyFans website. You may not be familiar with it, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: maybe you are if you're looking for It's Kinky Kelly
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: going to jail for six months for criminal mischief, during
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: which she filmed herself urinating on food at a supermarket
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and in various items at a Marriott hotel.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Do what the hell?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I've warned people about the hotel thing, man, because I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: have seen stuff like this before articles to this effect.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: People will go around and do really disgusting things to
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: various items in hotel rooms and then leave. What sort
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: of weird pleasure do you get from violating like the
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: coffee maker and leaving that next gut or the remote
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: that's another one, Joe anyway. Kelly Tedford Kinky Kelly, twenty
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: four years old, plead guilty to a Class A mystery
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: several Class A misdemeanors in connection with her antics earlier
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: this year. Sentenced to three hundred and sixty days in jail,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: but a judge suspended half of that. She will be
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: required to serve one hundred and eighty days in Cheshire
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: County lock Up, after which she will be placed on
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: probation for two years. Also ordered to pay ten five
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one dollars in restitution to the Monondoc
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Food co Op for contaminating grocery items. So I have
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: to pay five hundred dollars to the Marriotte where it
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: says here in an extraordinarily vile act, a vile act.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: She relieved herself on a Bible comfort, her blanket, curtains
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and an air conditioner unit. Why are you doing that?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: There is no answer to that question. In addition, she
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: defecated on the floor and placed waste into the toilet tank.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Try to process that, they say. Detectives believe this spree
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: was recorded for subscribers to her fifteen dollars month only
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: fans page, where she describes herself as a submissive pixie
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: fetish slash kink friendly prian extremes too close quote. Her
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: account also offered custom content and paid sexting sessions. Where
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: in the hell this twenty four year old run off
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the rails? This is the world we live in, Hey,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: thanks social media. Really appreciate that. Five forty six fifty
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• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Jim Keifer chimed in, not to be outdone by Drew
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Pappas measuring the snow with something over in Anderson Township.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: He said there's four inches in chrysil but he didn't
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: use the Pappas measuring device. Really have no idea what
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: these people are talking about it go to the phones, cribbage. Mike,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: saw your excellent gas price two dollars and ten cents
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: with your Kroger rewards card. Outstanding man, I felt.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I went back in time.
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  Speaker 7: It's pretty nice to hope it continues to go in
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: that direction.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: No kidding? Am I going to see you a listener
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: lunch tomorrow. The burning question I've got Price sal Chilly
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: for the last one of the year, absolutely.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Sir, and a well timed Tuesday Wednesday off that I'm
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: home today and don't have to be out in that mess,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: and then then of course being able to go to
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: listener lunch. But I at least hope they plow sunset
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: because coming from Amelia, I'm going to go over Queen
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: City and I want to see a repaid sunset on
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: my way up the priceal Chilly tomorrow.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it as well. It's the first
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: time I'll have driven on it since it got resurfaced.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I'm still I'm you know, half of me doesn't really
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: want to believe it happened. I've been told over and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: over good they actually did resurface it, but I'm going
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to remain skeptical until I on it tomorrow.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: I'm surprised they have. Did they have a ribbon cutting
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: or something to take advantage of? Yeah, I know, such
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: a glorious event.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And I'll admit part of me wants to think I
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: had something to do with it, because I've been complaining
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: about it since I've been on radio next year twenty years.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So anyhow, well done, sir, thank you and appreciate your
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: timing in Mike tomorrow, Price will Chili be there west side,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Jim Key for I know you sent me the snow measurement.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Get out in front of Price sal Chili and see
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: how the snowplows deal with the new speed bumps. Big
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: question mark swirling around that back to the stack is stupid.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Don't do this. De Molin police detectives asking for the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: public's help locating a guy who has wanted for gun
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and drug charges. Damian Buckner, thirty six, apparently possession of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: two handguns. End quote delivery quantity close quote marijuana. I
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: think that's process for sale. Officers responded to investigate a
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: report of a gunfire at his home. Mister Buckner injured
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: when a handgun stored in an oven fired multiple rounds
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: as the oven was heating up. Idiots doing idiot things
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: because they're idiots the definition of idiots. Buckner wanted on
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: active orangs for felony possession of a firearm and possession
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: of controlled substance with intent to deliver. So they want
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: your help if you know where he is. Since it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: des Moines, Iowa, it's certainly possible. My listening audience includes
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: friends from Des Moines, Iowa. And if you're out in
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Des Moines, Iowa today, please give me a call and
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: don't do this. And I feel terribly because the kid
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and previously institutionalized as a child,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: but also did time in prison. We go to Brazil
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: where Garrison del Melo Machada, who was nineteen, snuck into
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a lioness's pen at the park Zubatanio Zoo, scrambled over
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the wiretop fence climbed down a tree inside the lion's pen.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Visitors described his horrified watch helplessly as lioness named Leona
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: ran over to the foot of the tree as he
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: was slowly climbing down, waiting for her prey to well
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: jump in front of her, and then pounced on him,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: dragging the teenager behind a wall. Apparently, Machado reappeared briefly
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: as he tried to run away before the lioness leapt
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: on him again. As I mentioned, the child had been
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: previously diagnosed with cognitive dysfunction previously snuck into a landing
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: gear of an African bound plane in pursuit of his
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: dream to tame lions fortunately discovered in time before the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: plane took out, got referred to Chold Protective Services. That
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: was a prior incident. The zoo did confirm the teenager
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: was dead, stating that the lioness and here's the important part,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: would not be euthanized because it wasn't the animal's fault.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Accord to the zoo, it was immediately evaluated. The animal
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: was by a technical team and remains under continuous observation
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and monitoring as she experienced a high level of stress.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Leona's healthy does not exhibit aggresive behavior outside the context
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: of this incident, will not be euthanized. Protocol situations like
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: this provides exactly what is being done monitoring, behavioral assessment
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and specialized care. The zoo did have to close after
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the incident, pursuing to their safety protocols. I can't even
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: qualify that as a cautionary tale. Five fifty six fifty
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  Speaker 2: Unlike some people, I'm not going to make fun of
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: checking for not showing up the work. Maybe something's wrong
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: out there and Tom didn't call him this morning either,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: kind of worried about him. Usually hear from him. In
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the five point thirty segment, he's a woos Joe. Okay,
• 33:10
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  Speaker 2: he's all right. You can feel free to call for
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  Speaker 2: something you want to talk about five one three, seven, four, nine,
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• 33:18
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• 33:19
  Speaker 2: snow out there? School closings and delays are alive and
• 33:23
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• 33:25
  Speaker 2: there's a link, and yeah, your school's probably closed or
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: at least delayed, Lots and lots of them. And in
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: so far as the brand new snow plow Tracker Cincinnati
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: launched this yesterday to explain what roads have been touched
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: or untouched with the case of him, whether it been
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: salted or plowed. It's not working. It was working for
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Joe earlier in the morning, but apparently I guess the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: number of clicks on it, the site's crashed. Whatever the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: problem is. It was launched yesterday, so I'm not exactly
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: going to put a check mark in the wind column
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: on that one. But to the extent it works, someday
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: it may help you figure out which roads have been touched. Notably,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the ones between my home and here at the Towers
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of Kenwood did not appear as if they had been
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: dealt with yet, So be very careful out there, ultimately,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: is what I'm encouraging you to do. So that further doo.
• 34:16
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• 34:21
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• 34:22
  Speaker 2: what he does all the time. Again, props to Todd
• 34:25
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• 34:29
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• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the idea of global warming and climate change because you
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: know that gives governments the opportunity to change our well
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  Speaker 2: everything there is to change about our lives. It's a
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  Speaker 2: pollutant period end of story. Naturally occurring plant food. Why
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  Speaker 2: Don't let your business model rely on government subsidies is
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the lesson to be learned from this one, Relying primarily
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: on the lost Wall Street Journal op ed piece on this.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: The seventy five hundred dollars per vehicle tax credit is
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: over ended in September. September thirtieth, last day to get that,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: So if you bought an EV after September thirtieth, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: don't have to pay part of your vehicle cost, which
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: is exactly what it is, taxpayer funded seventy five hundred
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: dollars tax credit. Cox Automotive, which keeps track of vehicles sold,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: said they drop thirty percent year over this October down.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: They sold under seventy four or seventy five thousand vehicles,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: saying October marked the sharp reversal of the electric vehicle
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: market as the expiration of the federal EV tax credit
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: cooled demand. So sales drop apparently gott to be pinching
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the margins of US manufacturers, which is reported here, most
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of whom losing money on electric cars even when sales
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: were brilliant. GM Ford stillanis suggested their EV production to
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: account for the sales plunge. Quote. EV profitability remains a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: distant dream for nearly every automaker, according to a statement
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: from Cox, the folks that are following the data, huh,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I guess you don't want them absent big freebe compliments
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: in the American taxpayer. What else? The left's climate dream
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: hits energy reality. Chris Horner over at the Wall Street
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Journal on this one, I just go ahead and read it,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: because you know, illustrates backcrap insanity. And when reality shows
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: up and the voters start rebelling against your green climate
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: agenda because they can't afford their electric bill, you tend
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: to change their tune. Like Massachusetts Governor Heally, here's what
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: they write. And Chris Horner, anyway, a politically driven effort
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: to force a transition from traditional power to win solar
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: and battery has produced an energy crisis in Blue America anyway,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Progressive led states are beset by increasing electricity rates and
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: declining reliability. Although their leaders uniformly blamed President Trump, the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: costs becomes so high that some on the left are
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: finally scaling back these destructive policies. But it's no guarantees,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: sobriety will win the day. New left wing awareness of
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: energy realities is apparent coast to coast. Former New Jersey
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Representative Mickey Cheryl won the state's governorship this month in
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: part by pledging to deal with high electricity costs. As
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a member of Congress, however, she reliably voted for the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: energy transition agenda, although on the campaign trail she blamed
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's policies for her state's problems. Naturally, it's all
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's fault. The snow and the traffic is Donald
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Trump's fault. By the way, Governor Gavin Newsom moderating some
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: of his positions in anticipation of yes his twenty twenty
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: eight presidential run. They have the nation's highest electricity rates,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: by the way, Newsom recently signed legislation returning billions to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: state's leaguered rate pairs as he slowed some of the
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: quote unquote climate regulations he previously helped accelerate. Newsom deflected
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: responsibility to subsidy reductions because of President Trump subsidy reductions.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Oh that's the lynchpin I and Joe Strecker, and you
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: have to pay for California's stupid efforts to reduce carbon
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: dioxide in the air subsidies. If they take them away,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: then you got to change your tune, says Yet recent
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: infighting over detransitioning in Massachusetts indicates that holdouts do remain
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: opposing even the most sensible adjustments. In late October, the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: organizeation tasked with ensuring the reliability of New England's grid
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: warned of power shortages as soon as well. This winner
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I E. Right Now emphasized the need to obtain dependable
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: energy production, just of which solar and wind will not
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: deliver sufficient constant, reliable power, no excrement, basing onhappy voters
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and an election in less than a year, Democratic Governor
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Mara Heally clumsily denied responsibility for Massachusetts predicament, only to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: be embarrassed when videos emerge of her taking credit for
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: blocking the energy infrastructure she now says the state desperately needs. Yeah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: there's those pipelines that she wouldn't allow to go through.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Other Democrats scrambling for the exits to Last week, leading
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Democratic members of the Bay States House, the Representatives sought
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to force a vote before adjourneying for the year to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: change the Commonwealth's twenty thirty climate mandate into an aspirational goal.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: While yes blaming President Trump, lead sponsor and Energy Committee
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: co chair, Representative Mark cus X said he had the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: House Speaker's support, but after what one news outlet called
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: an avalanche of opposition from climate group's party leadership, block
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the vote, a direct rebuke to Miss Healey, who continues
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: to prioritize legislation, doubling down on the green agenda, styled
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: with accuracy typical of the transition vernacular as the Energy Affordability,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Independent and Innovation Act. Yeah, you can read that in
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the same way you can read Inflation Reduction Act. There's
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: nothing going to be affordable about energy when they pursue
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: this green agenda. Let's just name it something that looks
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like we're doing something on behalf of the rate pairs.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: As politically smart as it would be to pivot, the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: governor is simply too invested in the climate activist world.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: The statewide elected officials since twenty fourteen, Healey exercised the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: authorities of office to advance these policies in coordination with
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the party's donor class. Take, for example, the resurface videos
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: of her insisting in twenty twenty two on the quote
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: absolute close quote necessity of opposing new gas build out
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and bragging about having blocked two natural gas pipelines into
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: the state while she was Attorney General uh oh in
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: an amekas brief she fought in twenty sixteen in the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: case challenging Massachusetts regulator's order allowing a utility to build
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: a natural gas pipeline financed by ratepayers. Heally's victory in
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the case came about thanks to what her office called
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: an expert study that showed that New England didn't need
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: new natural gas infrastructure to serve the electric sector and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: examine the implications of a different energy choices on climate
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and energy costs. Keep in mind that expert report, because
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: it kept circulating the journal or. Mister Horner says you
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: know what will we do without experts the study? Get
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: a load of this. This is the one that was
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: relied on in court, paid for by a three hundred
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars grant to then Attorney General Heally from a
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: place called the Bar Foundation, described as a project of
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Continental Cable Vision founder now climate activist Amos barr Ostedter Junior.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. Heally boasted using the study to block pipelines
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: in a twenty seventeen memorandum requesting a group created by
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: climate activists Michael Bloomberg. The writer he office with a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: special Assistant Attorneys General to help advance progressive, clean energy,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: climate change, and environmental legal positions. At least a dozen
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Democratic attorneys general, including Heally, participated in that program, which
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: was criticized in the Wall Street Journal, among other places.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: As governor, miss Healey in twenty twenty four createdy an
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Office of Energy Transformation tasked with supporting her proposed energy
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: affordability legislation. The office staffed on a pro bono basis
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: with the same quote unquote experts study authors that she
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: used when misjudging the state's need as attorney general. In
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: other words, that study that said we don't need no
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: natural gas. We need wind and solar. We can do
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: fine without anything else wrong. How's that working out for you?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: It's encouraging that from New Jersey to California some progressives
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: elected officials are pumping the brakes on energy transition. The
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: question is whether enough of the peers we'll see things
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: more clearly before the lights go out, and of course
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: before people freeze to death. Joe, I see your call.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I'll take you right out of the gate. I do
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: realize the amount of time in the segment six eighteen right now,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I'm seventy one. Not quite sure whether he was coming
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: from north or southbound seventy one, but it doesn't surprise
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: me given the condition of I seventy one when I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: came into work. It was a little after three this
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: morning as I hit the roadway, so just be careful.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: It's kind of terrible out there anyway. That's what the
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  Speaker 2: cough buttons for Brian apologies.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Further, those green policy stuff e I mean, all of
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: it seems to go without saying. So, you know, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: have like a stack of these articles. I commented a
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: couple of them, but pivot over to Europe, you know,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: a cautionary tale. Don't do what other countries do when
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: it ruins them. Huh. Don't go socialist when it rule
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: like that as well. Okay, you want to be socialists
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: out there, my little comedy socialist friends, go ahead. Look
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: what it did to Look at what did to Venezuela's economy. Yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: runaway inflation. It drove everybody in the toilet, and anybody
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: who was capable of leaving the country left a long
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: time ago. Huh. How about that another failure. It's in
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: front of you everywhere. Don't do that. A couple of
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: fun facts from greening Europe's effort to slash their carbon dioxide.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Germany the highest domestic energy prices in the entire developed world,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: United Kingdom the highest industrial electricity rates, according to a
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: basket of twenty eight major economies analyzed by the International
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Energy Agency. They say Italy not far behind average electricity
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: prices for heavy industries in the entire European Union, roughly
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: twice of those in the United States, and oh yeah,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: fifty percent above China. Hum. This is apparently hobbling the
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: word they used. Europe's ability to attract key economic drivers
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: like artificial intelligence. Fun fact on that one. Get a
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: load of this. It's so bad over there their efforts
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: to remove carbon dioxide. Ireland. The state grid operator in
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Ireland imposed an effective moratorium on new data centers that
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: things that drive the cloud, computing and artificial intelligence moratorium
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: until twenty twenty eight. Why because existing data centers drained
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: over one fifth of the country's electlectricity supply last year.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Now say what we want about data centers, whether you
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: what one in your backyard or your state, or your
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: country at all or not. This is the wave of
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: the future. If you're going to compete in this world,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: apparently you need these things. So sucks to be you Ireland.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Your green energy policies make it impossible. CEO of a
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: German data center operator, guy named Jerome Evans, sought to
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: expand his two data centers in Frankfurt, Germany. The local
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: power provider told him he would have to wait a
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: decade until twenty thirty five for the energy to power them.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Someone wrote China wins exclamation point after that, and most notably,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I'd love this headline from over in Fox News, and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: of course it delves into the details on it. Chinese
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Communist Party linked firms quietly hold steaks in US solar companies,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: fuelling dems green push. So while you're pushing for this
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: green energy, which hobbles you economically, which drives the cost
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: of energy up, which impacts you the consumer, who are
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: desperately trying to find ways to pair back your expenses
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: because of this pesky reality of inflation. This is artificial inflation.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: This is driving your energy prices up artificially, and to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: what end. Going back to the Chinese Communist Party, how
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: many times do we have to point out over and
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: over again they continually build coal plants while we cut
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: our throat to the name of reducing plant food. They
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: are building out their energy infrastructure. It remains far more
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: affordable for them, and we are funding that by buying
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: their blanking products. They love shoving this green stuff down
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: our throat. I mean, you can think about the social
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: media out there that they have so much control over,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: the bot farms, the individuals TikTok for example. Do you
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: think there's any narrative on those Chinese Communist Party controlled
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: a site, any narra that suggests this is a laugh,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: that this is nonsense, This idea of limiting carbon dioxide
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Hell no. They make fat bank on convincing you that
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: you need to continue to believe in the religion and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: that that idiot Thomas on the radio is wrong. Coming
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: about six twenty eight fifty five KRC the talk station,
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• 49:21
  Speaker 2: sex thirty three if you give up car and s
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: DE talk station Todds ends or Citizen Watchdog. At the
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: top of the air news we'll talk about the Sin
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Sin Scrap lead pipe scandal, the Snap and Wick programs
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, as well as unregulated group homes. Looking forward
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: to that. Speaking of well food programs, snap Wick programs, uh,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Apparently millions of dollars have been stolen for food assistance
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio, the Ohio Benefits cards, the
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Snap cards, the Direction Card of Ohio EBT. That's what
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: they're called susceptible to skimming technology because we're not using
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: modern technology naturally, because they didn't keep fraud, wasting abuse
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: in the forefront of their mind when they started this.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Thieves stole seventeen million dollars roughly in Snap benefits for
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: more than thirty four thousand Ohio households. This between June
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: of twenty three and December of twenty four, federal government
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: used taxpayer dollars to reimburse those benefits that were stolen. Well,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: now apparently the victims have to eat the loss props.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: To Enquire's Jesse Baumber reporting, there you go, bipartisan proposal
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: from a Representative Kelly Deeter of Republican at A Norwalk
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: and Representative Tristan Raider, Democrat of Lakewood, oh Look, bipartisanship
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: will require Ohio to add chip technology to the benefit
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: cars within two years. Now, this is going to cost
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: ten point six million dollars. I don't know if it's
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: a one time expenditure, it sounds like it is. But
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: if you get seventeen million dollars stolen in a little
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: more than a year, I think it's a worthy investment
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: of ten point six if it's going to prevent that
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: from happening. Apparently Maryland and oak Lahoma updated their cards
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: to include chip technology, but the federal government has not
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: rolled out a nationwide solution for skimming fraud. If this
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: is the solution, you ask yourself, why wouldn't the federal
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: government issue a mandate on that? Since you and I
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the American taxpayers are shouldering the burden for a lot
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: of this hasn't passed the House Committee at this effort
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to add chips or received a full House vote. However,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: House Built one sixty three does have the support of
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Ohio Council for Retail Merchants, the Ioassociation of Food Banks,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: and several legal aid societies in Ohio. So if you're
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: worried about scamming, the following information has been passed along
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: to you. Check for a card skimmer. They often place
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: phony pin keypads over the original devices, sometimes using a
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: small camera to record the pin so loose protruding parts
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: could indicate foul play. I'd say, grab a hold of
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that thing and jiggle it. Don't share your pin good
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: advice across the board and use card lock and alrics,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: card lock and unlocked feature on the connect ebt application,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: use alerts to notify you when the card is used.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So that's outstanding information. And hopefully very soon, as opposed
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: to later, we'll have this modern technology which can serve
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: prevent fraud, waste and abuse, so truly starving people can
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: actually get what they are entitled to under this SNAP
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: program six thirty six right now five one three seven
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• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks to zimmerheating and air conditioning for that, it's up
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  Speaker 2: and running. And yeah, your school's probably closed and you've
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: probably got a separate alert alert for that. What else
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: is going on? I thought this was kind of curious
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: in terms of local stories, since I only got one
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: or two in this morning. This seemed like a sort
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: of ready fire aim kind of thing going on in
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: downtown Cincinnati, since a City Council Budget and Finance Committee
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and entertained a proposal yesterday in which restaurants, bars and
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: venues in just a certain segment of downtown would contribute
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: to the plan construction of the hotel that they're building
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: in the district, that five hundred and thirty six million
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: dollar hotel. So they got a figure for the construction
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: costs of the hotel, and apparently it's being built. So
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: the three CDC proposal would see businesses in the downtown
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Fountain district that's the limited district, opt in, in other words,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: voluntarily opt in to contribute one percent of every sale,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: so penny on a dollar, which would go to the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: construction of the new Marriotte Convention headquarters. Courting to Mark
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Jeffery's council member, the owners of restaurants in and around
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: the convention center are essentially self taxing themselves. They're agreeing
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: that they are going to have a slight increase on
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: sales at the restaurant as a way to finance the
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: expansion for the hotel. You have one bar John hughes Er,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: owner of the bar prem He said, well, this initiative
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: will allow our urban core to create the kinds of
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: programming that drives attendance and increases dwell time in downtown
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: activity boosts our local economy, also helping us build a safer,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: more welcoming environment for everyone. I don't know how this
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: creates safety, but you're voluntaring to eat into your profit margin.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And I got to observe if you are a restaurant
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: tour I think you are painfully aware of the low
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: profit margin you have already. So if you're going to
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: voluntarily pay an additional tax, you know that's going to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: be reflected in the price of whatever it is. Kind
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: of food you're selling by a penny on a dollar
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like a lot of money. But what puzzled
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: me about this, and maybe someone out there is better
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: educated than men can explain. You got a project that's
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: already underway, it's five hundred and thirty six million dollars.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Now you're talking about a contribution to help fund it.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: And what if nobody opts in on this. I mean,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: they're going to be short on funds. I'm not sure
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Jefferies thinks this is going to help expand and build
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: businesses in the area. I appreciate all the businesses willingness
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: to step forward as part of the process. It's a
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: very creative solution. As we think about growing our city,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: this is one way to grow. I suppose Jeffrey said,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: these are out of town visitors coming into Cincinnati. They'll
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: be eating dining in these restaurants, and in that process,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: part of what they are paying for is a little
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: bit of upper in it. I don't know what that
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: means which will enable us to pay for the development
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: of the convention and Convention Center hotel. So again there's
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that ready fire aim thing. Okay, if this proposal wasn't
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: there is that a suggestion they're going to be short
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: on funds and everybody, presumably within the city of Cincinnati's
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: going to benefit from this help. People in northern Kentucky
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: are going to benefit from it because if a lot
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: of people show up with the convention, there's a lot
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: of draw over in northern Kentucky for people to go
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: over there and spend their entertainment dollars. Which is the
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: weird thing about the city of Cincinnati. Button up against
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the river. Congratulations to my friends in the Commonwealth. You
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: do get a lot of folks like at baseball and
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: football games, showing up in your local restaurants and businesses,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: spending money, but not spending it in Hamilton County where
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: the taxpayers yes, foot the bill for the stadiums. But
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: curious proposal, it is from my perspective, six forty five
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Feel free to chime in, maybe you got something different
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: to say. But six fifty to fifty five kr CD
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: talk station I mentioned in the first segment of the
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: fifty five Cars Morning Show, how pleased I was that
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: the social media was able to help that local couple
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: find their dog after their car with their dog had
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: been stolen. Lamented my childhood and the runaway dogs. Social
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: media wonderful thing, and I think using social media the
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: word got out here in the fifty five KRSY Morning
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Show and the rest of my friends put the word
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: out in search of Tom, who normally calls in at
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: five point thirty worrying about him. Tom is on the phone, Tom,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the morning show. Slept in dig.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: You yeah right, Hey, that driveway doesn't shovel itself. So yeah,
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: I've got a driveway that's a little over two hundred
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: feet long coming up from the street, so it take
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: it takes a minute to get it done. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: all right, Joe, you don't believe me. All right, man,
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what it's. I'm on a two hour delay,
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: but not because I slept in.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: So you need a gas powered snowplow or a snowplow
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: of some sort of underneath the Christmas tree this year, Tom.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if you could fit one that'll fit on
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: the front of my lawn bower, that would be great.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: And I could just a couple of swipes and I'm
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: done and yeah, something like that. So well, anyway, it's
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: a wonderful morning.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: You made it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: Chuck Inger will be pretty busy this morning, won't.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: He Well, he was late getting into work this morning.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Apparently he got held up on seventy one because of
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: the road conditions. So I'm not quite sure if they've
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: solved that problem yet. It was it was a mess
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: when I came in down seventy one.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a I'm just now hitting two seventy five,
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: so we'll see how just goes. No, I may have
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: to turn around. But anyway, Uh, I've been wanting to
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: mention yesterday I didn't mention this because I was talking
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: about something else, but uh you know, I regularly mentioned
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: the gas prices up there and Cincinnati date Road seventy five,
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: and uh so, yesterday, before I got on the air,
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: I noticed that the prices were in the I get
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: two thirty nine. Both of the major gas stations right
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: there were two thirty nine, and uh so I think, well,
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: I'm getting gas on the way home. Hopefully they don't
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: go up. So I see the gas I see the
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: sign at Tylersville on the way back south and then
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: it jumped to two eighty nine. Crap. And so when
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: I get closer to Cincinnati Dayton Road, I noticed that
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: to sign for the speedway to eighty nine. And then
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: I said, oh man, I missed it. And sure sure enough,
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: that gas station across the street is still at two thirty.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: It's actually drop the two thirty three. So I pulled
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: in there and fill her up, and I went inside
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: and I told the people, Hey, whoever's making the decision
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: to keep the gas prices down, tell them, I say,
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: thank you very much, And you got my business there,
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: you go. That's that's the way we gotta handle things.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta shop around and and uh, you know,
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: obviously we don't want to get you know, get prapp
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: that's cheap, and you know, so we could pay pennies
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: for it. But you know, we got to be disserving
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: on what we're doing and not give into the price
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: hikes in the price couchy.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it's smart business for that. You know, they're losing
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: some money per gallon of gas, but it's a draw
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: for people to come in and spend money on high
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: price stuff that's sold of convenience stores. So hopefully there's
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: some sort of balance there, but yeah, it could buy
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: them some loyalty. Hey, did you drive down Camargo and
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: see what they're Our favorite gas station is.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: No, it's not quite on the way home, Brian, but
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing it's still pushing four bucks.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Probably four fifty in California, something like that.
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: I will tell you that that at QT gas station
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: was pretty busy, and uh they had a few people
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: over at the speedway, but it was pretty busy. There
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: were people inside, like you said, buying stuff inside. So yeah,
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: they wouldn't be doing it. They weren't gonna make money.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: This morning's low per gallon price is The award went
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: to Cribbage Mike Submarine or Mike, who paid two dollars
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: and ten cents using his Kroger card.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we got a we got a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: buck fifty or something that we got a dollar and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: then another fifty cent for for November that we got
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: to use. So I'm looking forward to that. That'll that's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: always good when you can take a buck off. So cool.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: Good morning to Cribbage Mike and all the other listeners
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: and uh uh, we we're all hoping and praying that
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: we get the convention center gets done before the before
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: reds fest reds fast as what January thirteenth, something like that,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: thinks so and uh, yeah, it's gonna be tight. I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: tell you that it's gonna be tight where they're down
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: there working seven days. Wait so yeah, yeah, Hey, if
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: it ain't tight, it ain't right. I'll talk for God
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: letter don't vote Democrat.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Even though it had nothing to the political comments aside,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: there's no politics involved in that statement. Accept to the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: extent you want to give Donald Trump credit for all
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: the above strategy and drilling where drilling can be done.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I'll ultimately get the gas price lowered. Going back to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: my comments about Europe cutting their own throat in the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: name of eliminating bland food and the fun fact that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: it was real in the gasoline I revealed the gasoline article.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned California the highest gasoline price in
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: the country at north of four dollars and fifty cents
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: a gallon. Why. Because of the regulatory structure they have
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: in place. This is not the laws of supply and demand.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Gas is not naturally more expensive in California. It's more
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: expensive in California from what they did to themselves intentionally,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: so their people are feeling pain. Elections have consequences, and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: they keep doing the same thing over and over again.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: I guess they must all be wealthy in California can
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: afford to go ahead and spend four to fifty a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: gallon when at least here locally we can get it
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: right around two dollars and fifty cents and maybe even less.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I like it here better six point fifty five fifty
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: five K City Talk Stations Citizen Watchdog Todd Zinzer will
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: be in studio. We'll talk about the Cincinnati scrap lead
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: pipe scandal, the Cincinnati snap in wick programs, and unregulated
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: group homes among those topics with Todd Zinzer brilliant he
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: is will be in the studio. Coming up next to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: hope you can stick around.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: Today's top headlines cock Station.
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  Speaker 2: Seven HO six Here a bit about Nanna Cy detalk
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  Speaker 2: station careful one you're commute in and good luck trying
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: to get that Cincinnati snowplow tracker app to work. So
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: far it's not working. Brand new rolled out yesterday. Maybe
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Todd's Zenzra will comment about that in studio. Our citizen
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Watchdog and God blessed Todd Zenzer for who he is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: and what he does for the city of Cincinnati, whether
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: you like, whether you like the council or not, Todd
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: zends Aer is at least paying close attention to the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Shenanigans going on and got a couple of Shenanigans declarations
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: to declare this morning. Todd Endser's Citizen Watchdog is the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: name of his podcast. I strongly encourage you to listen
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: to what Todd Zenser has to say because some of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: the details he reveals, well, it's enlightening. Maybe you put
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: a soft touch on that word. Todd Zenzer. It's great
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: to have you in the studio and thanks again for
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: all that you do for the city, whether they like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: you or not.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Brian.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about the upcoming Todd's Zenser nonprofit and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: where that may go, and Lord knows we'll need that one.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Don't expect todds Zendser's nonprofit to be a NGO included
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: in government funding from the City of Cincinnati, though, you're
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: not expecting that when it happens.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, I don't think I'll do that, and if
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: I did, I'm not sure that I would get a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: grant from the city.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Probably not, but at least you wouldn't be a mayor
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: sitting on a board of directors for a nonprofit that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: does get Cincinnati taxpayer dollars, which is verbot isn't it.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: Todd Well, I think it's I think it's improper, And
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: you know, I've been trying to get some attention to that.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: I've written to the mayor and recommended that he do
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: something about it, and that was back in September. Oh,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: he didn't get back with you, and I haven't heard
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: back from him, So I've got to try to elevate
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: that somehow.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds me like something that's old. I don't know,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: some attorney might want to take on a pro bonum basis.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of attorneys out there to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: like to sue the city for things like this. Anyway,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: we'll get to that toward the tail end here. Let
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: us begin with the lead pipe scandal. We had talked
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: about this previously. We're in the process of logically removing
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: lead pipes from the water infrastructure. Correct, Yes, and that's
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: we've been under order to do that. It's part of
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the environmental cleanup process. That's going on multi billion dollar process,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: that is. But I certainly understand the need to get
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: rid of lead pipe. It's obviously a problem. It causes
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: brain deficiencies and just in functions, and so it needs
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: to go out. The problem is how they're going about
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: removing it ran into a little bit of problem, did
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: we Toddzenser.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: Right, it's a it's an important program, which which makes
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: oversight of the program that much that more critical. And
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: what they what the internal auditor for the city found
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: several months ago, is that there was a problem with
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: the scrap lead not being properly recycled, and they had
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: set up a regimen in the process where once the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: lead pipes were removed, they were supposed to be deposited
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: into a container down at waterworks headquarters. And the auditor
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: found out that that that container and the recycle outfit
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: that they contracted with would come and service that container,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: they'd replace it and take the full container to recycling.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: So there was a contractor that was retained to take
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: away the lead pipe. That's correct, all right, So city
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: employees working on the we're working on the removal, right, correct. Okay,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I just want to make sure because there's outside entities,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: and then there's people that are subject to the direct
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: oversight of the City of Cincinnati. They had they had
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: a lead crew, So you have a lead crew. Lead
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: crew takes the pipe, puts it in this specialized dumpster,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: and then there's a specialized specific company retained to remove it.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: That's the way it's supposed to work, and I guess
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: it didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Well. The internal auditor found that the container had not
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: been serviced for five years, which means that no lead
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: pipe had ever been deposited into the container.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Uhhh Okay, now walking through this and I can see
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: where this is going, and you can certainly can explain it.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: But if it had not been serviced for five years,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: this company that was retained and contracted to service it,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: as we're calling the process of removing the leg from
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: the container, did they at any time say, Hey, we've
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: been driving by this lead container receptacle we're supposed to
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: be removing lead pipe from and it's never had any
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: lead pipe in it. Did any that word ever get
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: through to anyone responsible?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: I believe there's some email traffic to that effect, really,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: but it came very late. Oh it came I believe
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: closer to when the audit was being conducted.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Oh so maybe when word got out there was an
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: audit being done, and so they said, oh oh. But
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: by the way, it seems to be an important question.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Was the company that was retained to take care of
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: this receptacle and the lead pipe therein were they being
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: paid all along during this five year period where they
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: apparently didn't have to do any work.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Well, they have a bigger contract, I believe in the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: city and this was just part of it, okay, and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: so that's a yes, I think to my question. Well,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: they were getting paid for the other services that they
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: were performing under the contract.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: But this wasn't a separate line item charge on monthly
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: basis from the company. Was just included in one lump
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: payment to the company. That's that's a yes to my question.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: That's my understanding.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: So it should have been something less than the monthly
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: amount because they didn't have to do any work in
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: connection with removing the lead pipe.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: There they were they were triggered by a phone They
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: were supposed to be triggered by a phone call. Somebody's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: supposed to call them and say, hey, our container is full,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: you need to come and get it.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, so never having gotten a phone call, that's right.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and continue to accept the money that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: we got lump sum. All right. So then phase two
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: is or question number two. So they're not doing the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: job because there isn't a job to do. Where in
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: the hell the lead pipe go?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: Todd Zinser, Well, that's my my question, Brian. They did
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: a They did a good thing by focusing on the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: theft of the lead pipe.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: They aught it.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they identified one person that they claim was responsible.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: So facilitating the how did how did the scam work?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Because again we're talking about city employees removed moving the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: lead pipe team, so it was someone on the lead
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: pipe team that was identified as being involved in this scam,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: that's right. So what was happening to the lead Well,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: I understand it is that the employee, instead of putting
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: it in the container, it would be loaded in a truck,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: and instead of putting it in the container, they they
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: he had some kind of designated spot where he would
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: drop it off based on some prior arrangement with us.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: These local scrappers that drive their truck around and and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: pick up stuff from the curb that people put out right,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: he had some prior arrangement with scrappers, telling them where
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: to go get it and they would pay. They would
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: pay him.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Now, are scrappers subject to some sort of rules, legal
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: laws or rules of ethics? I mean, because the scrapper
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: might not have ethics, I don't know. No, do they
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: have an obligation to, you know, report what they've picked up, because, yeah,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: you and I were talking off air, lead is considered
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: a hazardous substance.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what That's what I've been focusing on. But
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think the scrappers have any any other obligation,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: you know, to the city, or any kind of legal obligation.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: But that ought to be the subject of a further investigation,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: which which the city is not doing well.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Let's say I have a load of lead pipe for
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, it was not obtained unlawfully, but I've got
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: to get rid of it. I take it to a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: local scrapyard. I can sell it to them because they
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: weigh by the pound and it does have some value
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: for the scrapyard. That's why they pay for it.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get as much as they get
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: for dealing with whoever they sell it. To so in
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: this particular arrangement, was it ever revealed what this one
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: loan individual who has identified what his slice of the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: action was, and was he actually getting paid by the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: scrap guy for the price of the lead or some
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: flat amount or something.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: I think he tried to tell the city that it
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: was only once in a while and at was bunnies
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: when he was short on his monthly bills or something
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: I only kill people every once in a while. I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: don't need to hold me account will under the law.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: But there really is not a big comprehensive investigation of
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: the extent of the issue. My question right now is
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: where is the lead? Because if it is a hazardous
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: waste and there is a test that they have to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: perform on the pipe to determine whether or not it
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: reaches the threshold of a hazardous waste, there's a federal
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: law and a state law about a requirement to designate
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: or determine whether or not a solid waste is hazardous
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: or not. And there's no indication at this point whether
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: they've made whether they ever made a determination like that.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: So I have asked for any records that would show
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: the determination, whether they did the determination and if they
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: did what it says about those lead pipes. So it's
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: really an open question right now. And the reason I
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: started looking into it the executives from the water work
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: were interviewed on TV by WCPO and they're you know,
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  Speaker 4: they're sorry and et cetera, and they're going to do better.
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  Speaker 4: But they didn't really seem concerned about this missing around
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  Speaker 4: accounted for lead pipe. And it seems to me that
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  Speaker 4: there's a big potential environmental issue there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, clearly that, but then again, this is simply a
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  Speaker 2: question also of like theft. Yes, yeah, okay, let's pause.
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  Speaker 2: We'll bring todds Inzer back a little bit more on
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  Speaker 2: that one. Plus we'll talk about the SNAP and WIG
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: programs and CINCINNTI plus unregulated group homes seven sixteen. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: if you five KRCD talk station, you have an imported
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: code talk station seven twenty here. If you five KRCD
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: talk station, Brian Thomas with Citizen watch Dog. That's the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: name of the podcast, and that's who he is. He
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  Speaker 2: is Todd Zinzer, former Inspector General for the United States
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: of America. He understands documents, he understands obligations, he understands
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  Speaker 2: well the legal realities and the challenges we face as
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  Speaker 2: city taxpayers. I'll use we even though I don't live
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  Speaker 2: in the city, following the money and seeing if work
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  Speaker 2: was actually done, pursuing the contracts, and when we have
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  Speaker 2: run when we run into problems, finding out where those
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: problems lead. In this particular case, the lead pipe scandal.
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  Speaker 2: So as you set it up, we're removing the lead pipe. Good.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. It goes to a receptacle that's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: store the lead pipe. Fine, a company is hired to
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  Speaker 2: remove that lead pipe, they're supposed to receive a phone
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  Speaker 2: call when the receptacles full. They never got a phone
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  Speaker 2: call because the receptacle remained empty for five years. Where
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  Speaker 2: did the lead pipe go? Big question? One person apparently
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  Speaker 2: on the team of lead pipe removal, a city employee,
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  Speaker 2: has been identified as someone who was involved in the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: removal of the lead pipe and putting it someplace else
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  Speaker 2: for some yet unknown company scrap dealer person to remove it,
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  Speaker 2: probably to their financial advantage. Yes, so, fine, question, is
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  Speaker 2: lead pipe dangerous? Hazardous? I think we can agree it
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  Speaker 2: is if they had to remove it in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: I presume it passes the lead pipe scrape test that
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: they have to do. There were the police alerted, this
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  Speaker 2: is the theft, and I'm imagining Todd, you can correct
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  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. The money that you get, like
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  Speaker 2: if you took it to the scrapyard yourself, they'll give
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  Speaker 2: you a handful of cash in return for how much
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  Speaker 2: the lead weighs. Whatever the charity get ten cents a
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  Speaker 2: pound or whatever. That's taxpayer money that should have gone
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: back into the city. Coffers. I presume if it had
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  Speaker 2: all gone according to contract.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. Under the contract, the recycling outfit or the
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  Speaker 4: outfit that took it to the recycler, the city was
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  Speaker 4: supposed to get a cut of those proceeds. So for
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  Speaker 4: five years, whatever they would have gained is lost, and
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  Speaker 4: that number has not being calculated.
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  Speaker 2: And how could it be calculated unless the guys that
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  Speaker 2: were responsible for removing it in the first place, the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: city employees wait it first.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. But the tell is in their corrective actions
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  Speaker 4: to the audit. They list out all the things they
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: plan to do to fix the situation, and those are
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: the things that they should have been doing in the outset.
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  Speaker 2: Seem right, Now you're in my wheelhouse of late how
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I keep referring apologies to my listeners. They
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: know what I'm going to say. But they've had always
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: talks about these Internet of Things devices that the software
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: manufacturers never consider security first and foremost. They rush the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: product out and don't realize it's filled with holes and bucks. Right,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: they're not thinking about it. Why do our elected officials,
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  Speaker 2: Why are they not charged with on some level like
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: a fiduciary obligation to the taxpayers they take the money
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: from to put fraud, waste, and abuse and the prevention
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  Speaker 2: of that first and foremost in any program like this.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you're you're singing my tune.
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  Speaker 2: I know. That's why I love you so much, todd Senser.
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  Speaker 2: So what are they now proposing now that they found
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: out we're all being ripped off?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they want to keep records of how much how
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  Speaker 4: much lead pipe they remove and how much they how
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  Speaker 4: much copper they install, which is which is another issue here,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: huge money. There's nothing in the there's nothing in any
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  Speaker 4: of the reports that I saw that the auditor did
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  Speaker 4: a report, and the waterworks did their own internal investigation.
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  Speaker 4: And for me, if somebody stealing lead pipe scrap lead pipe.
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  Speaker 4: Chances are they may have their eyes also on the
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  Speaker 4: copper inventory.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you're damn right, because it's as so as copper
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  Speaker 2: is exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And so my point was you got to go over
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  Speaker 4: and check your inventory of copper to see whether or
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  Speaker 4: not that's been stolen as well. They just don't think
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  Speaker 4: like that, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: They don't because they don't care a whit where the
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  Speaker 2: money comes from, and because they can take all they want,
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  Speaker 2: apparently they don't need to follow it like you or
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: I would in our household.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the big question for me is do they not
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: pay attention deliberately because they don't they don't want to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: point out things going wrong in their processes or are
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: they just not, you know, in tune with oversight.
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  Speaker 2: Can I boil it down nefarious or stupid? Well, something
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, that's what it is. I'll put a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: blunt point on it right there, DoD Genser, and I'm
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: going to go for a combination of all the above.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: The nefarious ones don't want their program to be criticized.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: It's their program. They didn't think about fraud, wasted abuse
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  Speaker 2: at the outset. And the stupid are the ones that
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: maybe realizes has happened and just don't want to lift
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: a finger to solve the problem because oh that means
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: extra work.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so five of the led one one of the
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  Speaker 4: lead crew resigned and five of the lead crew were
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: reprimanded for being dishonest. But in that situation, yeah, the
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  Speaker 4: first thing I would do is go check the copper inventory.
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  Speaker 2: Reprimanded, Yes, for being dishonest. That's a soft way of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: saying reprimanded for committing a crime. At least that's what
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  Speaker 2: it appears to be.
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  Speaker 4: They either didn't want to or they couldn't establish the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: culpability of the other members of the lad crew.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in a world filled with cameras, I mean
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  Speaker 2: you go back to the inventory, Like, where is our
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: copper inventory sitting right now? Todd Zenzer? Do you think
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: there are cameras that are constantly focused on that stack
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: of copper and other building materials that they're using for
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: the various city works projects.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if that was the case.
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  Speaker 2: Brian, Well, there's one more thing they can add to
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  Speaker 2: the list.
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  Speaker 4: Now, that's a good idea.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Todd Zenzer will bring it back. We got more controversies
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: snapping Wick programs group homes, aftab purvols, sitting on boards
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: of directors for nonprofits that the city taxpayers are funding,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: among other things that Todd Zenzer Citizen Watchdog has revealed.
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  Speaker 2: Because no one in city council or within the city
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: government wants to bother to lift a finger to find
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: out where your money's being spent seven twenty six right
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  Speaker 2: now see the talk station kate Eavansk station seven thirty
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: here or fifty five KRCE the talk station. Real pleasure
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  Speaker 2: as always having Todd Zinzer's Citizen Watchdog in studio, and
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  Speaker 2: thank you Kevin, my dear friend Kevin. There's actually an
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  Speaker 2: app out there, Todd, I scrap. We're talking about this
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: lead pipe situation with kind of pondering how much a
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  Speaker 2: pound of lead might be worth. It's a thirty two
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  Speaker 2: cents a pound time. I imagine it ended up being
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of money. They were pulling out a
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  Speaker 2: lot of old lead pipe.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, thousands of residents have had their lead pipe replaced
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  Speaker 4: with copper pipe, thousands, thousands. It's been going on for
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  Speaker 4: five or six years, and it's going to go on
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  Speaker 4: for another I don't know how many, three, three to
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  Speaker 4: five more years.
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  Speaker 2: I think all right, so they don't weigh when they
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  Speaker 2: pull it out. It disappeared before it got to the
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  Speaker 2: appropriate receptacle bin. Someone obviously absconded with a whole lot
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: of money. Whoever the scrap person was that took that
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  Speaker 2: lead pipe away is more than if you can get
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  Speaker 2: thirty two cents a pound on the open market, then
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  Speaker 2: they're getting more than that from to wherever they sell it,
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  Speaker 2: A point I made earlier. How else could a scrapyard
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  Speaker 2: stay in business? Right, So they're making fat bank and we,
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  Speaker 2: under the contract with the people who were supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be removing this, we the city taxpayers, are supposed to
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: get some of this money back. So when you're talking
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  Speaker 2: thirty two cents a pound with thousands and thousands of homes,
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  Speaker 2: that has got to add up to a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: I agree it could reach felony level money, todd oh easily.
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  Speaker 2: So makes me wonder. You know why law enforcement hasn't
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: been brought in and involved in this, because you know,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: convicted criminals who engage in this type of criminal activity
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  Speaker 2: or quite often obligated to pay restitution to the victims.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct, but no criminal referral. Although you're mentioned in
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: the emails that they did give you back in requests
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: in your request for documents. Yes, the congratulations gods, he's
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: in city side right now and it's a good thing.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: So they were aware that you were looking into this,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: and they actually had an internal email saying, hey, Todd
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Zinzer's looking into this issue. In other words, beware because
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: this guy will be all over us like white on Rice.
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  Speaker 4: Well that wasn't in the email, but something so something
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, any profanities, you can't stay on the radio. No,
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  Speaker 2: all right, well, let's tell you what You're not done
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: with this one. And I don't know, I don't know
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: what the steps are to get law enforcement involved, but
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I think this certainly rises to a level of, you know,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: a crime worthy of investigation. I suppose it remains a
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: large and looming question, given the relationship between the mayor
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: and the city manager and their parent control over the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: operations of the CINCINNT Police Department, if the CINCINNT Police
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Department was referred to this, whether or not they would
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: actually follow through and do something that might put a
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: stain on the administration's reputation.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and the issue is going to be for the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: city well, should we spend money getting to the bottom
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: of this when it's only going to make us look
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: even worse.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: So, oh, yes, it'd be responsible thing to do, regardless
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: of how bad it makes you look. You obviously have
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: learned your lesson. You have new practices and protocols you're
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: putting in place to ensure that this thing doesn't happen again.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: We learn from our mistakes, We're moving forward. We're going
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: to watch out and be responsible. And by the way,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: we're doing everything in our effort to get that money
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: back on behalf of these city taxpayers.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, and they need to address the environmental issue created
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: by these strap lead pipes, isn't purval mister Green, Well,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: that's the thing that it's not really climate change, it's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: more environmental.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: So, in other words, real pollutants and real environmental problems
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: versus carbon dioxide.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, they should be more concerned about these lead
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: this scrap lead being dumped somewhere and not being recycled
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: and getting into the water supply, which is ironic here
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: that a water department is going to be so careless
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: with scrap lead pipe in.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: The bottom of the mill creek. Yeah, although I think
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: we can all safely presume or assume if you want,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: that it was actually sold out there, because this does
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: have fat bank on the open market, right, so hopefully
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: it's not in some place doing environmental.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: And it went to a proper recycler.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, how many recyclers are there in the greater
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati area.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: I haven't counted that, but there probably are not too many,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: not too many couple, I think.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: So you could just go to each of the very
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: few scrap dealers and have a direct question answer with
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: them about whether they bought any lead pipe. Yeah, you
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: just go out and do some interviewing. Yeah, be very simple.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: It would be the logical thing to do, Todd. Well,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: they'll maybe they'll wind up doing that.
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  Speaker 4: The alternative is for the federal EPA or the Ohio
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: EPA coming in and already asking questions.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: You anticipated my next question, Todd. Also, I was wondering,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: isn't this really kind of assumed or part of a
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: federal project to clean.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: Up all the lead Well, there's a there's a federal
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: law called the Recovery and Conservation the the I can't
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: remember the name of It's called Rickra Recovery Conservation.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, they called the inflation reduction acting inflation reduction.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with inflation reduction, So call
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: it what you will. It's supposed to deal.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: With pretty it's a pretty serious, very long Yeah. We
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: worked with it when I was at DOT on hazardous
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: transportation issues. We even prosecuted American Airlines back in the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: nineties for their their poor handling of hazardous material on
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: their aircraft.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: So they're really well connected, lobby heavy kind of money
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: and interest group there.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Back then. The penalty was we negotiated was eight million dollars,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: but in and that was just for several containers, and
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: their lacks processes got them a fine at that level.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: So maybe this simple fact that it's all gone missing
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: and is totally unaccounted for would be sufficient information to
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: launch a federal investigation into this Rick potential Rick revilation. Right, well, okay,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: there's some astute you know us attorney out there, maybe
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: listening to the program might take it upon him or
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: herself to go and do just that.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: Well, it would be a worthwhile doing.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: I believe, I'm with sure one hundred percent todds Ends
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: will continue. Yes, we'll get to this Nappenwig program next
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Don't Go Away seven thirty six, seven thirty seven fifty
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  Speaker 2: five care Seage Shay seven forty one fifty five KRCD
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  Speaker 2: Talk Station Enlightening. It always is when you're talking with
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: todds Enzer about city council and city affairs. We have
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: been all morning so far talking about this lead pipe
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: scandal and criminal activity it relates to. And why don't
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: we see somebody being charged with crime for stealing lead pipe?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe that'll happened, but let us pivot over to something else.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: It may very well be criminals. The Cincinnati SNAP and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: WIC programs supplement of Nutrition's assistance program is a snap
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: card and then you have Women, Infants and Children program.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: That one's been around since what the forties or something
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: Wick's been around since Nixon.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Nixon. Okay, all right, thought it might have been a
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: great society. Well, it doesn't matter. So two different programs. Yes,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: who is supposed to run these and how is it
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: run well? Or are they run?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: Snap and WICK are both funded through the county in
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: their county programs. For example, the county administers SNAP administer's Medicaid.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: There's a couple of other safety net programs that the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: county operates. But when WICK was first put in place
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: by the federal government, the requirements were such, this is
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: my understanding anyway, that there was some kind of medical
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: professionals or whatever that were required to be involved in
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: the program for because of nursing mothers and things like.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: That, to verify eligibility. And that apparently is not the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: case anymore. I could sign up for WICK. Now it's
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: probably so easy to get around yet whatever oversight they
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: might have.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, but for some reason, and at the time,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: the city Health Department was it, so they took they
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: took responsibility for the program. Well, now forty or however,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: many fifty years later, the city is still operating it.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: And the internal audit auditor did an audit of the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: WICK program and identified a lot of mismanagement.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: So we go ahead and cut to the chase on
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: what mismanagement they identified.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: Well, the programs operated out of ten different offices I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: guess of the health district, and the auditor looked at
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: six of those offices and found that they were not
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: keeping track of their EBT card inventory. So, for example,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: somebody working at the Health Department and the program, they
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: go and go to inventory and grab a stack of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: fifty EBT cards that they're going to work with that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: day or that week, or however long it takes to
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: use fifty EBT cards. And then they meet with the
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: constituent and figure out what benefits they're entitled to.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: WICK recipient is the constituent, Yes, So they sit down
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: with that person.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, and they determine what their eligibility is in terms
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: of how much benefit they're entitled to, and then they
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: charge up the card just like you go to the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: grocery store and get a gift cards.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: They get an Apple gift card shirt exactly and then
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: hand it to them and then hand it to them
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: or or well, we don't.
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  Speaker 4: There's no inventory of the cards.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: No inventory of the cards, which means someone of nefarious
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: intent could grab a stack of cards loaded up with
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: literally anybody's name and information on it, charge it to
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: any given amount that would be within the parameters of
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: the WIG program.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: And put it in their pocket exactly. So that could
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: have been going on exactly for a long time.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: So they have no tracking of the WICK card inventory
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: period in the story that was.
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  Speaker 4: The result of the finding of the audit. That's correct.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel real comfortable about that one.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: Todd, Well, my suggestion was, aside from the mismanagement, why
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: don't you just give that program back to the county
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: who's got experience doing snaps, got experience doing other safety
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: net programs, and the city doesn't really need the headaches.
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  Speaker 2: And it would relieve the city taxpayers of the burden
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: of that. Many employees, however, many are working on the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: WICK card program, right.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, the money comes from the federal government to the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: county and then to the city. You would eliminate the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: city's role in.
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  Speaker 2: That, But then that would eliminate political patronage jobs to
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: run the WIK program. They would have that many fewer
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: bodies to award jobs to.
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  Speaker 4: Todd, Yeah, I think they'd probably be able to find. Well,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: I think that being involved in these kind of things
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: in the past and the federal government, you'd just basically
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: take the employees working on WICK and move them to
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: the county payroll and be done with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's an extraordinarily simple, logical and reasonable solution, Todd Zenzer.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: It could be done.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, any interest that you can find down in the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati and the employees that they might want
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: to go that direction.
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  Speaker 4: Well, That was part of my comments yesterday at the
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Budget and Finance Committee. I talked about both of these
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: audits and that I did suggest that to the city
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: council whether they'll pay attention.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: No, they were paying with their were cell phones, weren't they?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you feel do you feel like it's
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: a pointless gesture to show up and make these awesome
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: points that could benefit literally everyone and even improve their
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: political standing by getting on top of a problem that's
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: obviously a problem they just got made aware of. But
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: listening to what you have to say as opposed to
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: playing with your cell phone.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: Well I do. I did sense that they were paying
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: more attention than they usually do.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Well, that's because they know you have their number. Hey,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: you get emails circulated about you behind the scenes down there, man,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: you know you're having an impact. We'll bring back Todd
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Zenzer for one more cover Senci though, is a great
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: thing to do is call it call care CD Talk
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Station Insightscoop with Creik Bart News after the top of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: the hour, News followed by the Daniel Davis Deep Dive.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, Citizen Watchdog todds Zenzer, former US Attorney,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: former US Attorney General on these audits. And I've got
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: to go back to the audits really quick, because we
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: started with the audit of the lead pipe issue, right,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: an internal audit of the wick snap problem that you
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: just explain and wonderfully so those I was surprised to
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: even know that the audits were done, because you do
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: an audit, you're going to find problems. But there are
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: there is an obligation under the audit standards for the
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: auditors to follow through if they find something wrong along
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: the lines of what you just explained to us. Correct
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: right there, because where would it go if there wasn't
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: something some follow through?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: That's right. The general it's called the Generally Accepted Government
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: Auditing Standards, and they say that if the auditor identifies
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: indications of fraud, they've got to run that down. They
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: got to determine, you know, the extent of the problem
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: or whether there truly is a fraud problem. And the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: internal audit manager, I'm not trying to be critical, but
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: they don't take that step for some reason, probably a
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: manpower or they're being told by their management.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: You know, there can't be a manpower issue, because if
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: they're obligated under law to apply these standards and do
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: the follow through. Then you have no choice but to
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: hire people to do it.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The the solution for the auditor is not to
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: cite those standards when they issue their reports.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: But they do anyway. They do anyway, so they cite
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: them and that gives them protection even though they didn't
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: follow the standards. That's right, Okay, great, No, they tied.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: By the way, the new mobile app to the snowplow
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: tracker app that the city rolled out, it's not working.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: That's surprising, all right, So anything get the other component
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: of this wik card problem again, not keeping track of
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: the inventory of wick cards and not keeping the appropriate
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: records all sounds to me like it's riddle with fraud
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: and abuse, or at least potentially so. You mentioned also
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: that they have an obligation to keep track of equipment
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: purchase to run this program, like the computers and other
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: hardware that's needed to implement it.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. The program gets about three point five million
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: dollars a year and that's used for benefits plus the
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: operation of the office, including or purchase of equipment, so
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: that equipment is basically federally funded. As a result, they've
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: got to keep a proper inventory, and the audit found
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: that that was not happening, So you'd have to go
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: back and construct, you know, what equipment has been purchased
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: and is it still here? That's right.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: So if you're not doing oversight of the equipment and
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: you have the authority under this program to purchase and
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: acquire equipment, some let's say nefarious actor might say, oh,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: my kids need laptops or Christmas, order the equipment under
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: the WICK program and then just take it home with
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: you exactly.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: That that's the risk. Uh huh Wow.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: Todd's answer just scraping the tip of the iceberg in
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: terms of all the problems he's identified. And you've got
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: document requests out for this, I suppose at some point,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, is there some sort of legal you know,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: can some Kurt Hartman out there in the world final
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: lawsuit over this stuff?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: Yet? You know, it's I'm sure it's possible. It's just
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: a matter of whether or not you can gather the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: resources to pay for something like that.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it usually starts as a Freedom of Information Act
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: requests which they have to honor, and when they don't
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: honor it, that's how you end up in court, getting
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: the documents you need, which then will serve as the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: basis for the lawsuit you ultimately file your file because
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: they didn't follow protocols or otherwise found breaches of the law, etc.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: That's right, all right, Kurt, get on it. Todd'll be
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: happy to help you on to that end. I mentioned
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: a nonprofit. You're working toward establishing the purpose of that.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: If you get it going, will be well.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: It's got a couple of different purposes. One is to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: establish some way to sue the city, because if you
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: look back at the real reforms that have gone on
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: in Cincinnati has been the result of federal lawsuits or
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: other lawsuits. The city does not do these things voluntarily.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: And so one objective is to establish an organization that
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: would take the lead in litigation against the city. For
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: give you a standard purposes exactly. And then the other
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: is to elevate or bring greater visibility to the whole
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: oversight issue. The city has no concept of oversight. It's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: just not part of their constitution. And that's needed. I mean,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: they've got a two billion dollar budget, and they've got
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: a four person internal auditor that is kept basically on
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: a leash they need some oversight mechanism like an inspector
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: general that many many cities across the country have in
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: order to deliver a oversight program.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Wow. And if I had to speculate, since we're out
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: of time on who is holding that leash, I have
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: to imagine it's the city manager. Yes, all right, there
• 1:36:48
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• 1:36:51
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  Speaker 10: You just sent me on the nostalgia trip all the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 10: stuff I've done over the years. That was great.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: Hard to believe how time has flown, isn't it?
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: John?
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 10: It really is incredible, you know, When I started this,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 10: we were just going into the two thousand and eighth
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 10: financial crisis, and you know, here we are just and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 10: it seems like we never run out of crises, kept
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 10: being business.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Well we're on that note, John Kearney, isn't that sort
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: of kind of intentional? I mean, I've been doing radio.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Next year is my twentieth year on radio. But I've
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: been following politics since I was like sixteen years old.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Reagan's second election was when I really got engaged in politics,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: and I've never turned back. It was a topic of
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: conversation and at the dinner table. I've really been engaged
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: for my entire life. So it's always been crisis. I mean,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: part of I think part of the reality, Well, this
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: is the idea, is we always kept in a mentality
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: of crisis mode. You know, the world's going to end,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: We're all going to die, the market's going to crash,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: the market's going to go up, and you know, we
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: don't follow up to find out, well was that prediction
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: true from last year. It's just once they announced these
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: terrible headlines that we move on and go about with
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: our lives. Should we ever feel like we're in crisis?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, that's a great point. Look, one of the
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 10: things that's definitely true is that the media has predicted
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 10: just about eight out of the last two crisises, meaning
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 10: there is constantly a crisis, you know, on the horizon
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 10: or actually happening. I remember the first Trump administration. We
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 10: were told constantly that we were going to have inflation
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 10: because of the terroriffts he put on China, and I
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 10: covered that every month in and out all three of
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 10: the major inflation reports that the government produces, and there
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 10: was no inflation. And it really wasn't until the pandemic
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 10: struck that finally started, when people were distracted by a
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 10: real crisis, that the media started to admit, oh, okay,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 10: you know, we were wrong. There was no inflation because.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: Of the tariffs.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: But there was inflation because of the Inflation Reduction Act
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: and the COVID nineteen response money and the trillions of
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: dollars that were thrown into the economy from printed dollars
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: that watered down the value of our currency.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 10: That's right. And they said that inflation wouldn't happen. They
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 10: so they predicted the inflation that didn't happen would happen.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 10: And the prediction and they predicted that the inflation that
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 10: actually did happen was the worst in forty years. They
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 10: you know, wasn't really happening. And by the way, we'd
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 10: go away almost immediately. Here we are five years later
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 10: and we're still dealing with it.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: The pesky reality of inflation is while the inflation rate
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: can go up or down, as the case may be.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm old enough to remember the seventies when
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: we had stagflation, but the prices never really go down.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you see it two percent increase in inflation
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: and you've been struggling with seven or eight percent inflation.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm never going to see say, two dollars
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: ninety nine cent per pound beef again. I'm never going
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: to see a bag of chips that actually has sixteen
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: ounces in it for three ninety nine as opposed to
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: the twelve ounces you get for three ninety nine. It
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: just doesn't come down, that's right.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 10: The prices don't come down. The most you can hope
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 10: for is that you have low inflation for a few years,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 10: which may sort of bring you back on track. But
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 10: the truth is that once you have a period of
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 10: high inflation, as you said, you jump up nine percent.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 10: Then even if you get normal levels of inflation around
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 10: two percent after that, you're permanently at a higher price
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 10: level than you should be. You can hope that you
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 10: can grow the economy a way that lets wages catch
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 10: up with that, but that takes a very long time. Basically,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 10: and this is a I hate to have to deliver
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 10: this bad news to people, but we are permanently, because
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 10: of the irresponsibility of the Biden administration and Howells Fed
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 10: during those years, we are permanently stuck at a high
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 10: price level that is not going to feel right, at
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 10: least for another ten years.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: You're going to.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 10: Feel You're still going to feel sticker shocked when you
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 10: walk into a store, or order a meal at a restaurant,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 10: or try to buy tickets to something. Prices are going
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 10: to feel too high for quite a while, all.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Right, Now, If John Corney was chairman of the FED,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: and you could turn back the tables of time to say, right,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: when Biden got elected, I mean we had three percent
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: mortgage rates at the time, roughly, right, I mean that
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: was extraordinarily low. And I have to say out loud,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: my listeners have been listening to me for a long time.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: But when my wife and I first bought our house,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: this was nineteen ninety one and we were living in
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: oak Park, Illinois, that's where we bought the house. Anyway,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: I had to pay three points to buy down to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: an eight and one to eight percent interest rate on
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: a on a seven twenty three balloon. That's I mean, I'm,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: you know, crime a River at six percent. I understand
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: it's double what it was a few years ago, but
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: I mean six percent still seems within the realm of reality.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: That's the big thorn in a lot of people's side
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: that they got so used to these really low interest rates.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: The economy was kind of booming, real estate market was booming.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Would you have raised the interest rates back then? Is
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: that a failure of the FED back then?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 10: Yes? The first thing I think they should have done
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 10: is made it clear that if the Biden administration went
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 10: ahead with its plans to spend trillions, that this would
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 10: be inflationary and that the FED would try to offset
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 10: this by raising rates. Look, the FED can't control you know,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 10: Joe Biden's spending programs, but they can do the opposite.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 10: What they did instead, what they did is they sent
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 10: the all clear message to Joe Biden to go ahead,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 10: spend your trillions and we will not interfere. We won't
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 10: raise rates, we will not make it.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: So that we will not try to offset this at all.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 10: And that's what set off the wild inflation. I think
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 10: if the FED had been less complicit in the Biden
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 10: administration's reckless spending, if they had just even signaled that
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 10: they were going to offset it, it probably would have
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 10: made Biden back off a little bit, and then that
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 10: we would have had far less inflation. Instead, they worked
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 10: hand in hand. That was a disaster and we got
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  Speaker 10: this crazy inflation. So they should have told Biden not
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  Speaker 10: to do it, and if he went ahead and did it,
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  Speaker 10: then yes, they should have raised rates much earlier. And
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  Speaker 10: they should have never said that the inflation was transitory.
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  Speaker 10: That was that in itself signaled to the market, to businesses,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 10: to consumers that the Fed wasn't on top of things,
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  Speaker 10: that they were going to let inflation get out of control,
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  Speaker 10: and they did.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is, you know, directly tied to the bond market.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, That's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 10: Look, part of the thing is that when the government
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  Speaker 10: is deficit spending like crazy and the FED starts to
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  Speaker 10: raise interest rates. It actually then makes the FEDS the
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 10: government's borrowing more expensive, right, and they didn't want to
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  Speaker 10: do that. It raises the deficit even more. And so
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 10: they were trying to help Biden by letting him do
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  Speaker 10: all this deficit spending while being able to borrow cheap.
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  Speaker 10: That was a disaster. They should not have been complicit with.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 10: They really needed to be. You know, people talk about
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  Speaker 10: FED independence all the time. The FED lost its independence
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  Speaker 10: during the early Biden administration. They instead became an agent
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  Speaker 10: of the Biden administration. And that was a that had
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  Speaker 10: disastrous results, which is exactly what we would think would
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  Speaker 10: happen when they become the agent of a you know,
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  Speaker 10: a pre spending political regime.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in this spending free for all, in this full
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  Speaker 2: low interest rate was all supported by and covered up
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  Speaker 2: and masked by the whole Oh my god, COVID nineteen.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: We're all gonna die, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 10: Look, they kept it it. So it made a lot
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  Speaker 10: of sense, especially early on in the pandemic when they
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 10: were ordering businesses to close and they basically we're freezing
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 10: the economy, to say, okay, well we're going to fight
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  Speaker 10: some of the downturn with.
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  Speaker 1: Very low interest rates.
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  Speaker 10: But as soon as we started to reopen things, which
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  Speaker 10: means just a few months into this thing, right, they
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  Speaker 10: should have said, Okay, we can back off of the
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 10: ultra low interest rates. We don't need to send out
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 10: more stimulus checks. People were flooding into restaurants in places
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 10: they could with the relief of thank god, I can
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 10: go out again. And yet we were still sending stimulus
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 10: checks to people, and the Fed was still holding interest
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 10: rates at near zero. That was a bad combination.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Bad combination, and like all government programs, ready fire aim
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: replete with fraud, waste, and abuse because no one cared
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: where the money was going, and it went out to
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: a bunch of nefarious actors. Sorry for interjecting that, John Carney,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: but this kind of thing has been driving me more
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: crazy of late than I think it ever has in
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: my life, as all these programs are revealed for the
• 1:47:20
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• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: will interest rates be coming down? Thinking of those that
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: have been priced out of the homeowner market, I don't
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: think the housing availability is ever going to increase, at
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: least not in the near term. John, So what impact
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  Speaker 2: or what effect? First off, do you think the rates
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  Speaker 2: will be coming down? What are the indicators that would
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  Speaker 2: suggest the Fed might lower them? Or might the Fed
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  Speaker 2: just leave things status quo? Which is kind of the
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  Speaker 2: position I think I'm leaning toward, at least if I
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  Speaker 2: had to read tea leaves but no financial expert of mine.
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  Speaker 10: So I think the Fed very likely maybe cutting at
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  Speaker 10: the meeting in December, but then they are not going
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  Speaker 10: to cut for probably the rest of Powell's tenure as
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  Speaker 10: FED chairman. That means he leaves in May, so we
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  Speaker 10: may get one more cut. Then the Fed will sit
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 10: tight and see how that goes through the economy. I
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  Speaker 10: don't think that will do very much for the interest
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  Speaker 10: rates that matter. Remember, the FED target's a very short
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  Speaker 10: term interest rate. The rates that matter are built off
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 10: of that, but they're really built up what investors think
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 10: the path of interest rates will be. So if the
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  Speaker 10: FED signals it's going to sit tight for longer. That
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 10: will keep interest rates higher. I'm not sure, and I'll
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 10: talk about this more tonight, but I'm not sure actually
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 10: cutting interest rates will do as much as people hope
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 10: for home affordability.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 10: That is a very tricky thing because look, when you
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  Speaker 10: cut interest rates, one of the things that happens is
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  Speaker 10: because people can borrow cheaper, they're willing to pay more
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 10: for homes, and it tends to push up home prices. Right,
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  Speaker 10: So it's not the panacea that people think.
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  Speaker 2: Well, John, the only thing that's going to solve that
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  Speaker 2: problem is more supply. I mean, we need more supplay.
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  Speaker 2: We need more supply of what I would call truly
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: affordable housing. I'm not talking about something like government subsidized,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: but I'm talking about you know, don't buy a five thousand,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: eight thousand square foot mansion mcmanchain. Once you buy something
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: that's a little bit more reasonable, smaller in size, easier
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: to build, a more affordable, less to maintain, less to furnish.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, across the board, owning a smaller home is
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: far more financially prudent from my perspective.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, and one of the things we need those that's
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 10: a longer term problem. In other words, it's not something
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  Speaker 10: that a president can fix, you know, within a year.
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  Speaker 10: That's a longer term building problem. It is also, frankly,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 10: a problem that cuts across political barriers, where you have
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  Speaker 10: environmentalists who are really worried that you might have to
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 10: build some more roads if you're going to build houses
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  Speaker 10: or more houses, because each of those houses is going
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 10: to have a family that's driving, so you need more
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 10: roads out there. They don't like that because they think
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 10: it'll cause climate change to accelerate. So you have a
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  Speaker 10: there's a lot of barriers to try to get it done.
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  Speaker 10: We can, I believe, and I think we will over
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 10: time solve this problem, but it's not something that's going
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 10: to go away quickly. Frankly. Also, Donald Trump's immigration policies
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  Speaker 10: are very helpful in this regard. I know a lot
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 10: of people say the opposite. They say, oh no, a
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  Speaker 10: lot of the illegal immigrants are engaged in building, but
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 10: they have to but before they can build one house,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 10: they have to live in one. And they were frankly,
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  Speaker 10: when you have twelve million people come in over just
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 10: a few short years, you are using up a lot
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 10: of your housing stock. Cutting down on that will actually
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  Speaker 10: provide some relief. It creates supply for people who are legally.
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  Speaker 2: Here right our financial editor to John Karney talking about
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  Speaker 2: or one more thing I have to ask you about
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  Speaker 2: John before we part company this morning. In very enlightening conversation.
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  Speaker 2: It's been the job market, the jobs that are out
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  Speaker 2: there that are available, the level of employment that all
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  Speaker 2: is part of what the FED factors in a determining
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  Speaker 2: interest rates. Do you see sort of a very quick
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  Speaker 2: upheaval in the job market is brought about by artificial intelligence?
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  Speaker 2: I mean more and more people are losing their jobs
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  Speaker 2: to AI. A lot of people can be replaced now
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence. Is there going to be sort of
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: a sudden mass firing, you know, over a very much
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: shorter period of time than we typically see what the
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: job market? Do you foresee something like that happening and
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  Speaker 2: might that impact the whole FED decision in the future.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think we're going to see a sudden shift.
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  Speaker 10: One problem with trying to read the labor market right now.
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  Speaker 10: This normally would be a job's week, where we would
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 10: have a job's report on jobs Friday, first Friday of
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  Speaker 10: every month. We're not going to have that this week.
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  Speaker 10: We're actually and we've we're missing jobs reports because of
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 10: the government shutdown that the Democrats caused because they wouldn't
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 10: vote for appropriations. I think so it's a little hard
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 10: to tell what's going on right now, and I don't
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  Speaker 10: think we're going to get a sudden AI jump. I
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  Speaker 10: think the AIS immediate factor will be something on the
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  Speaker 10: realm of around displacing five percent of jobs. Over the
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  Speaker 10: longer term, we may get more, but that means a
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 10: meeting that would have twenty people will have nineteen instead,
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  Speaker 10: and the economy will be able to adapt to that
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  Speaker 10: relatively quickly. Over the long term, there may be a
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 10: big shift in the kind of jobs people do, but
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  Speaker 10: I don't think we're going to see like half the
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 10: jobs go away sometime next year.
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  Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 9: With the morning. Tell you Brian, good to see.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I can see and the technical issues have been resolved.
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  Speaker 2: I see Joe Streckers back where he belonged to the
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  Speaker 10: I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean I was doing Dealer's choice last week, we're a
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  Speaker 2: pick a topic. I wanted to start on the Russia
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Ukraine situation this morning because I saw a couple of
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: articles and headlines I kind of wanted to bounce off
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  Speaker 2: you and get your reaction. First Off, you've documented, explained
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  Speaker 2: many many times the precarious situation the Ukrainians are in
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  Speaker 2: relative to the strength of Russia's military. Ukraine's running out
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: of soldiers, warm bodies, They're short on equipment, They're begging
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: the world for assistance and help, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 2: I saw this article, and while the article does acknowledge,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like the fog of war. The numbers
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: are a bit fuzzy, but a lot of Ukrainian soldiers
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: are deserting. And the one article I read was Ukrainian
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  Speaker 2: prosecutors handling more than three hundred thousand desertion cases. The
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: number of people deserting, and the number of people deserting
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: within any given time frame, regardless of the overall number,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: is pretty substantial. That this is a part of the
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: problem they're facing that I wasn't even aware of. I
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  Speaker 2: get the concept of desertion, but if you can't get
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  Speaker 2: your own citizens to fight against the Russians. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is just another domino falling for Ukraine. Do you
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: think these figures are accurate? Is that kind of your
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  Speaker 2: understanding of what's on the front lines in the battle?
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  Speaker 8: They are accurate, and I can tell you I have
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: firsthand knowledge from a former cabinet official in the first
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 8: couple of years of the Zelensky administration out of Kiev,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 8: and they said that the situation is generally worse than
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 8: what's being reported because they try to put a cap
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: on all the bad news. You have a combination of
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 8: several things working together that are fatal to the Ukraine side.
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  Speaker 8: Number one is the desertions you mentioned like that, I
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 8: think that they're working three hundred thousand. They've had one
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  Speaker 8: hundred and six one thousand between January first and October
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  Speaker 8: thirty first. I don't know what the numbers are for
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 8: the month of November, but it was one hundred and
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 8: sixty one thousand. Then at the same time you had
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 8: approximately two hundred thousand men of between the ages of
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: eighteen and twenty two flee the country.
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  Speaker 9: They left.
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  Speaker 8: You have somewhere around seventeen thousand forced mobilizations per month
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 8: that they bring in, and then there's the it's still
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 8: a state secret, but some huge number of casualties per month.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 8: And when you see the number of men that are
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 8: force mobilized then come up and get wounded, of those
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 8: that fight, then the number that flee because of that
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 8: they left the country, and the desertions, you see that
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 8: they are literally physically shrinking by a substantial portion every month,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 8: while the Russian side continues to grow every month because
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 8: they recruit, not force mobilized, but recruit more people than
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 8: they lose through all means every single month. So while
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 8: they're getting bigger and stronger, the Ukraine's side is shrinking.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 8: And it's just a mathematical certainty that at some point
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 8: math will take its effect and you will see a
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: collapse somewhere of the front. We're starting to see early
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 8: signs of that in multiple places along the front line.
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  Speaker 8: Vladimir Putin had a press conference last night where he
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 8: announced several cities had had folded et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Pokrovosk was one that he claimed to be captured. They said,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: the Russia proclaims final victory over key city Pokrovosk. On
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: eve of Putin Witkoff Peace Plan meeting. Now, timing is everything,
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  Speaker 2: So they're going in with what arguably is yet another
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: feather in their cap on the front lines to negotiate
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: a resolution, which of course is going to require some
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: land concessions, which sounds like the land concessions are going
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: to be growing.
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  Speaker 9: Well, here's the issue. It's number one.
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  Speaker 8: There's no question that Russia announced that on the eve
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 8: of Whitcoff's meeting intentionally. The fact is they basically already
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 8: had it almost ten days ago. There was just a
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  Speaker 8: few outlying neighborhoods that they had to clear, and I
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 8: guess they were waiting on this. I don't know, but
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 8: I was wondering why they haven't announcement because they have
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 8: had effective control over it for nearly two weeks now.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 8: So that was Pokrovsk. Now that there are about two
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 8: thousand additional Ukraine troops that are physically surrounded in the
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 8: sister city Mirnograd, there are now no more possibility of
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 8: them escaping. In the Zaparisha area, there is another settlement
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: that on the way to the city of Zaparisia, now
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 8: putting that at risk. There is Krasny Leman has been
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: seeing Russian advances, and then one of the biggest ones
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 8: is up in the Kharkiv area, in the place called
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 8: Vochansk has now also been completely captured by the Russians.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 8: And then one of the most important things Putin said
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 8: that we didn't know yesterday was that they now have
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 8: plans to capture the province of not per kolts Star,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 8: that's the city Denipro. They now are going to add
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: another oblast that they're going to conquer and clear. That's news,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 8: and I'm sure that's going to have a big effect
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 8: when Whitkof gets to town. But the bottom line for
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 8: Russia is, y'all, I don't know why y'all are talking
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 8: about security, gainuarrantees and coalition to the willing and stuff.
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  Speaker 8: He goes, because there's nothing you can do that's going
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 8: to stop us from taking what.
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  Speaker 9: We want on the battlefield.
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  Speaker 8: So you either have a negotiated settlement on the terms
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 8: we're willing to contemplate today, or we will continue to
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 8: go in at least up to the Daneper River. And
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 8: I don't see anything that can stop the western.
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  Speaker 2: Side and these regions you're referring to either captured or
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: maybe will be captured up to the Never River? Are
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: they Russian dominated? In other words, in early on we
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: talked about CRIMEA. Crimea was logical for Russia to want.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: It was built made of primarily Russian sympathized leading individuals
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: that just happen to be in the Ukraine border. I
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: understand conceptually that are we starting to see the Russians
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: get into areas that are devoutly shall I say, patriotically Ukrainian?
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  Speaker 9: No, No, they're not even close to that yet.
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  Speaker 8: Really, when you look at demographically, everything up to the
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 8: Dannepper River is primarily ethnic Russian, and I'm pretty substanti
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  Speaker 8: a portion of it. The further west you go from
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 8: the Danepe River, then the percentage just drop off perceptuously
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 8: and then it becomes, you know, furthest to the west
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 8: it's you know, anti and violently anti Russian in the
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 8: Ukrainian going forward. But you're talking about the cities of
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 8: Kharkiv and Odessa, which are the two jewels that are
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 8: still in Ukraine control. Those are heavily Russian population, and
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 8: of course they they claim historically they're Theirs, et cetera.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 8: But now then you see that they're moving towards that
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 8: one in the Kharkiv in the north, because now they're
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 8: into what's called the operational space of the Kharkiv Oblast
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 8: leading right to the city. And then because of these
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 8: shots that the West has been doing through Ukraine to
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 8: take out their two of their big tankers in the
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 8: so called Shadow Fleet, many in Russia are now saying,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 8: all right, that's the last straw. Now, then the only
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 8: way we can stop that is to take Odessa. And
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 8: so this this may open up a new path to
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 8: where they they're gonna beyond, go beyond the Daneper River
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 8: in the south, even all the way to Daneper eventually.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 8: I don't know how long it might take, but that
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 8: seems to be in the crossairs now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe the delay in negotiating a peace resolution is
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: they want to capture all of the regions that they
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: can claim are made up of these sort of Russian
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  Speaker 2: loyalist people.
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  Speaker 8: And look, let's just this, just be blunt here, take
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 8: the emotions out of it for a moment. Militarily, it
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 8: makes a lot of sense for the Russians to say, hey,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 8: why do I want to worry about thinking about twenty
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 8: eight points or nineteen points?
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  Speaker 9: And give you this, then I'll take that.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 8: You can take this thing over here, when they can say,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 8: we'll just keep going like we are with the status
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  Speaker 8: quo until we don't have to negotiate anything. We'll simply
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 8: take by force of arms what we want. The cost
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 8: will be high, but they have the cost, they have
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 8: the resources to pay that, both in blood.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 9: Treasure and ammunition. They can do it.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 8: And so from that perspective, because Russia is thinking long term,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 8: they're not thinking just get to the end of the
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 8: year or just get to the end of this war.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 8: They're thinking established security, you know, going forward for decades,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 8: et cetera. And for them to pay that process not
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 8: that high because the payoff for their country, as they
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 8: see it, is high. That's the problem that I don't
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 8: think we've come to grips with yet at the negotiating table.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sure that they're really looking forward to
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: say so they can call something a win in the
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: win column. After so many imming the Soviet Union fel
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: they lost a lot of regions and provinces. They things
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: move western. So I think they're in it for a
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: you know, a moral victory as well as the land acquisition.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: Victory on top of everything, would it would serve as
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: least incentive for the patriotic Russians to want to continue
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: to fight this fight, unlike the Ukrainians who are apparently
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: fleeing the battlefield.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and Brian, it's stronger than that, because it's not
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 8: just you know, a military moral victory against Ukraine. It
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 8: is a massive victory against NATO. And that's how they
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 8: would see it because NATO has done everything in their power,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 8: fifty nations, all the stuff that we've given, everything that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 8: we've tried with training with weapons, ammunition, the intelligence, support, targeting, support,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 8: long range.
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  Speaker 9: If all of that fails, it won't just be a
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 9: paper victory.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 8: It will be a pretty substantial victory that many around
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 8: the world will observe and go, holy smokes, everything NATO
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: tried to do failed.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 9: So it is a big deal.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 8: And one of the reasons why I think that we
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 8: should say, let's don't get to that point. Let's have
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 8: an ugly negotiated deal now, so that we can prevent
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 8: them from getting all that kind of a victory, at
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 8: least a full one, because otherwise it'll just look like
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 8: we could do nothing and we could not stop the
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 8: Russians all the way up to the border.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: Take your wins where you can get them. Apparently one
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: more thing I have to ask, and you know, moving
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: forward in the aftermath of whatever this war leads to,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: whatever solution negotiated or not, the breadbasket of the region Ukraine.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: Talked about the fields, the grain, the abundance of all
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: these resources. Who in the hell is going to be
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: there to farm the land? Daniel Davis.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, there's plenty of people that will farm
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 8: it because it'll just be under the Russian control, but
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 8: the people themselves will steal farm it. The bigger problem, though, Brian,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 8: is that the amount of ordinance that had been expended
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 8: there and bombs and unexploded ordinance, bomb fragments, et cetera,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 8: is so massive it's going to take I bet more
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 8: than a decade, probably a lot more than a decade
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 8: to get all that taken out. And you're talking minds
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 8: as well, so a lot of that, some of the
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 8: best most fertile territory is sewed with mines and and
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 8: unexploded bomb fragments, et cetera. And you've got to get
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 8: all that stuff cleared out before you can even start
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 8: to work in in no matter who controls it. So
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 8: that's something that's going to be negatively affected for a
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 8: long long time to come.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: It sure is. But given the gravity of that problem,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: I would like to think some you know, international body
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: of folks, maybe like the Baby Blue Hats, could go
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: in and start solving that problem on behalf of humanity
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: given all the unexploded ordinance.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, we still have people doing the mining
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 8: operations in Vietnam. There's no question that a lot of
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 8: people want to do that, but we've got to have
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 8: a security environment to allow it.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. Davis retired Lieutenant Colonel Find him where
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: you get your podcast, Daniel Davis Deep Dive Find him
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: every week here at eight thirty beginning on Tuesdays here
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: in the fifty five KRSE Morning Show. Very informative, very enlightening.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: I like, yes, telling it like it is. You don't
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: sugarcoat anything, Daniel. We all need a healthy dose of
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: that man to really come to grips with what's going on.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 8: But we got to have a healthy dopet so that
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 8: we can get to something that actually can sustain and
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 8: be good for the outcome.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 9: If you don't do that then you're going to be
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 9: left with whatever's left over.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: Stop the death. That's your in my goal, I think
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: in the long run, Daniel Davis, Until next week, have
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: a great week, my friend, give in my friend. Thanks
• 2:05:36
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• 2:06:15
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• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: welcome doctor Paul. It's a real pleasure having you in it.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: Congratulations on the new position. You've been there three months,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: so you're not exactly new.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 6: Brian.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so I've been here for like three months and
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 11: I've enjoyed time working at Wetze and this is lung
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 11: cancer Awareness months, so I'm glad to be here to
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 11: talking about lung cancer, the newer treatment options and early detection.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: All right, well, I was I have notes. Clearly, I'm
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: not a doctor, nor am I a lung cancer specialist,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: nor do I play when on radio, but lung cancer
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: is the second most common cancer in men and women,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: you say, behind prostate and breast cancer, respectively. I kind
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: of expected that figure to have dropped some. I mean,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: we're all got the memo quit smoking because that's the
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: leading cause of lung cancer. Is this still smoking related
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: primarily or is there environmental relations with why we continue
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: to have such a high incidence of lung cancer?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 11: Very good question. So it's still primarily smoking related, although
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 11: the smoking related lung cancer is slowly declining. But unfortunately
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 11: in certain groups and certain ethnicities, especially young women Asian descent,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 11: the lung cancer rates are unfortunately increasing. There's also like
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 11: environmental exposure air pollution, rad on exposure, which is unfortunately
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 11: common in Ohio too.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Radon, Yeah, I think I have my head in
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: the sand on doing the radon check. I've been in
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: my home for thirty years. I just rather not know.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: Don't quote me on that doctor anyway. I understand there
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: are two types of lung cancer. Can you break that
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: down for my listeners what the two types are and
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: how they differ.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 11: Yes, so there are two types. One is small cell
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 11: lung cancer and the other one is called non small
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 11: cell lung cancer. The lung cancer it's called small cell
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 11: based on how it appears under the microscope. Small cell
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 11: lung cancer unfortunately tends to progress rapidly, and fortunately it's
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 11: less common. Only ten to fifteen percent of lung cancer
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 11: is small cell lung cancer. It definitely has a high
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 11: risk of association with smoking. Almost ninety five percent of
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 11: patients with small cell lung cancer have some smoking history,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 11: and the five year survival rate for extensive stage also
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 11: known as stage four small cell lung cancer is still
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 11: very poor, only seven percent. Non smell cell lung cancer
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 11: is more common, and it's again divided to several subtypes.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 11: It is still tied to smoking, but in general, non
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 11: small cell lung cancer has better survival rate, and especially
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 11: you know when it's diagnosed in lower stages.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: All right, we did talk about the risk factors. Eighty
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: five percent of all lung cancers caused by smoking. Secondhand
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: smoke can be an issue that's like an environmental reality
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: that we're all facing. You mentioned the raid on. Before
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: we get to treatment options, what are some of the
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: early indicators that you may be have you may have
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: a problem, you maybe having lung cancer. I mean, what
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: should I be looking for? For example in my world idea?
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 11: Sure, so if you have a cough that's not going
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 11: away after you know, let's say four to six weeks
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 11: or so, then I think definitely it should get evaluated,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 11: especially if it's somebody with smoking history, right, you know
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 11: you need to see your primary care rather quickly.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't chalk it off it's just smoker's cough. You
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: may have a bigger problem going on exactly.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 11: Also like nuance at shortness of breath or worsening shortness
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 11: of breath, And if you have like bloody sputum, then
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 11: definitely losing weight without trying, you know, that's another reason.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 11: You know you need to see your primary care and
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 11: get further evaluation.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: All right, turning to treatment options, we need to get
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: that low survival rate figure up. So what are the
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: treatment options we're talking about now, doctor sure?
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 11: Before we go to treatment option, I do want to say,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 11: in patients with a smoking history, usually say twenty pack
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 11: years smoking history, or those who quit within the last
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 11: fifteen years or so, we recommend getting an annual load
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 11: o CT scan for lung cancer screening because the goal
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 11: is to catch it early. So in anybody who is
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 11: between the ages of fifty to eighty years of age
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 11: and has a significant smoking history, definitely follow with primary
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 11: care and get CT scan schedule, just like how we
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 11: recommend mammogram for a woman.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, so since I'm getting a general body CT scan
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: from neck to waste for my lymphoma, then if i
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: have any issues of my lungs, They're gonna red flag
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: that form during that process. Good, all right, I don't
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: have that to worry about that, all right. So the
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: treatment options, so obviously this has something to do with
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: what stage you catch the cancer at, that's right.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 11: So the treatment options depends on what kind of lung
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 11: cancer it is. It can change between small cell and
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 11: non small cell lung cancer. And also you know what
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 11: stage it is, So stage one is the earlier stage.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 11: Usually those lung cancer we're talking about non small cell.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 11: Generally we do like surgery some cases radiation therapy which
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 11: is directly targeted towards that lung nodule, so in that
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 11: way the toxicity is less. When it comes to stage two,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 11: we still opt for surgery, but some patients may need
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 11: some upfront chemo immunotherapy to shrink the tumor. And then
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 11: stage three and beyond, generally it's a chemo radiation. When
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 11: it comes to stage four, that's when the molecular testing
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 11: makes a huge role because I would say, you know,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 11: ten years ago or fifteen years ago, we used to
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 11: give chemotherapy. There were no role for like immunotherapy or
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 11: targeted therapy, but now we have those new treatment options. Historically,
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 11: non small cell lung cancer, like roughly ten years ago,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 11: the survival rate for stage four non small cell was
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 11: around four percent, but now it has changed, and especially
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 11: with targeted therapy and immunotherapy, certain subtypes of non small
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 11: cellung cancer are you know, like twenty to forty percent
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 11: five year survival rate, which is very impressive.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: That is amazing progress. And I know you at OHC
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: were involved with these new treatments, so you're always doing that,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: and which leads me to what I always end with
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: clinical trials, which OHG is always doing. It's the place
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: to be clinical trials. You have clinical trials relating to
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: lung cancer going on.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 11: Yes, we have over ten different trials for lung cancer,
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 11: both non small cell and small cell lung cancer focused
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 11: on improving quality of life and better outcomes. These trials
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 11: help us to truly individualize the care plans that will
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 11: lead us to treating cancer more effectively and eventually curing
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 11: lung cancer. One other thing I do want to bring
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 11: your attention to is a newer treatment called BITE therapy.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, so BITE therapy. It stands for bispecific
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 11: T cell engager therapy or in other words, it's kind
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 11: of like a drug that acts like a matchmaker or
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 11: a bridge that brings your body's immune cells directly to
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 11: the cancer cells to kill them. And the BYTE therapy
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 11: has been used in small cell lung cancer. It just
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 11: got recently FDA approved, like a couple of weeks ago,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 11: and this treatment has reduced small cell lung cancer extensive
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 11: stage or stage four mortality by forty percent, which is
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 11: quite impressive. But Oetz has this clinical trial with byte
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 11: therapy going on, even like several months prior to the
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 11: FD approval, through our clinical trials, our patients had access
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 11: to this bite therapy and now it's approved.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, at some point off the shelf, everybody's going
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: to be able to get it. Some of these are
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: bespoke treatments that you create specific to the person. I've learned,
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: Like I said, my dream someday is pull it off
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: the shelf and get your lung cancer or whatever other
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: cancer cured. Doctor Paul, A real pleasure you're passing along
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: this wonderful information in spite of the death that typically
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: associated with lung cancer. Clearly some MASSI of improvements in
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: life expectancy brought to you by my friends at o
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: HC all