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Murder In Moscow: A Trip Around The Headlines In Moscow On November 22nd 2022 · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program when we last left
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  Speaker 1: off we were talking about the press conference that the
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  Speaker 1: Moscow police and the authorities helping with the investigation gave
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon the authorities gave us a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more information but nothing to really sink your teeth into
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  Speaker 1: they did rule out a couple of people trying to
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  Speaker 1: quell some internet rumors so we talked about that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit And we got caught up on where the
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  Speaker 1: investigation currently stands. And unfortunately, it would seem like there's
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  Speaker 1: not much to go on. Now, of course, the police
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  Speaker 1: are holding information back. They're not giving the public everything
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  Speaker 1: they know. So my guess is they're working behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes on some other leads and some other, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bits of information that they haven't revealed to the public yet.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it usually works. Now, if that's not happening...
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  Speaker 1: then I don't even know what to say. Because if
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  Speaker 1: that's the case, and they really have nothing behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes either, then we're in a place here where there's
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  Speaker 1: really no answers whatsoever. They're ruling people out like the
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  Speaker 1: kid who was called nine times Saying that they went
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  Speaker 1: back and they cleared those phone calls, whatever that means.
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  Speaker 1: So we got to go with what they have to say, right?
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  Speaker 1: So got to rule that kid out, rule him out
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  Speaker 1: with the Uber driver who ended up being a personal driver.
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  Speaker 1: The kid by the truck, he's out. So where are we?
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  Speaker 1: As far as anyone that could be a suspect seems
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  Speaker 1: to be out the window, according to the official investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So what do they have? What are we left with?
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  Speaker 1: Is this some kind of situation where this is a
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  Speaker 1: crazy drifter type of dude? There was a recent report
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  Speaker 1: in the same town about three miles away from where
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  Speaker 1: this happened of somebody having their dog skinned. So we
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  Speaker 1: know that serial killers and sickos, they kill animals, right?
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  Speaker 1: So some people are making those connections. Personally, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if there's a connection there, but anyone who's doing
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  Speaker 1: that to a dog is certainly a sick bastard who
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  Speaker 1: needs to be looked at and arrested for damn sure.
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  Speaker 1: But do I see any connections there? I don't. A
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  Speaker 1: bit loose, but nothing where you look at it and say,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is the same person. It's an uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: thought to think that there's multiple sickos out there, but
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  Speaker 1: in every single city in this country, there are. You
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  Speaker 1: know what? I'll take that a step further. Every single
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  Speaker 1: city in this world, there are sick people out there.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe some people just harbor these thoughts and don't act
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  Speaker 1: on them, but there are a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: do act on them. So whoever did this is one
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  Speaker 1: dangerous sick individual and they need to be captured and
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  Speaker 1: they need to be captured soon. So with that said,
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  Speaker 1: let's get an update and see where we are this
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  Speaker 1: morning as far as the investigation and what might have
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  Speaker 1: happened overnight. This article was published by The Independent and
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  Speaker 1: the headline, Idaho Murders. Latest, Moscow police seek footage of
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  Speaker 1: two areas of interest as details of 911 call emerged.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Lo Dodds and Sravesti Dasgupta.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement officials are seeking surveillance footage from two areas
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  Speaker 1: of interest in the city of Moscow as part of
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  Speaker 1: the ongoing investigation into the murders of four University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho students. So they're doing their best to rebuild every
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  Speaker 1: step that these kids took this day. They're going to
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  Speaker 1: go through every bit of it and try and put
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  Speaker 1: together footage, right? Build that foundation we were talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And to do that, you have to go through all
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  Speaker 1: of these surveillance cameras, personal, private, public and rebuild everything.
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  Speaker 1: So it's starting at step one for these forensic investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodel, and Ethan Chapin were
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  Speaker 1: stabbed to death inside the home the three female students
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  Speaker 1: shared in the early hours of November 13th. Two fellow
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  Speaker 1: housemates were in the home at the time, but were unharmed.
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  Speaker 1: More than one week on from the killings, investigators continue
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  Speaker 1: to be baffled by the case with no arrests made
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  Speaker 1: and no suspects identified. In a press conference on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: police urged members of the public to come forward with
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  Speaker 1: any tips or footage in parts of the city between
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  Speaker 1: 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. on November 13th. They have
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  Speaker 1: not released the reason for the particular window of time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: pretty safe to say that this is the time where
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  Speaker 1: this went down, the time frame when this happened. And
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  Speaker 1: then somebody obviously leaving or going from the premises, they
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  Speaker 1: want to try and get that video footage. Try and
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  Speaker 1: see if anybody was suspicious, somebody out of place, you know,
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  Speaker 1: somebody sneaking in, whatever it is. New details have also
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  Speaker 1: emerged about the 911 call alerting police to the quadruple murders.
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  Speaker 1: Other friends were present in the home. When the call
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  Speaker 1: was made from the cell phone of one of the
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  Speaker 1: surviving roommates, police said, so we're still going to need
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  Speaker 1: a lot more information about all of this. The phone call,
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  Speaker 1: the friends being over. Now, obviously, the police have ruled
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  Speaker 1: these girls out as suspects, so that's not even what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Just in general, the story, right? There's
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  Speaker 1: so many holes in the timeline, so many holes in
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  Speaker 1: what happened, and there has not been any clarity whatsoever
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  Speaker 1: by the police or the authorities or anybody. Now, again,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that they're protecting the integrity of the investigation
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  Speaker 1: and that has to be done, but they have to
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  Speaker 1: try and, you know, at least give the public a
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  Speaker 1: little something, especially the locals up there to either A,
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  Speaker 1: bring them some comfort or B, to let them know
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  Speaker 1: what the real deal is here. Is it a targeted
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  Speaker 1: attack and you think it's a crime of passion? Do
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  Speaker 1: you have evidence of that? Or did you just shoot
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  Speaker 1: off at the lip early on and you don't have
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  Speaker 1: evidence of that? My guess is they don't have evidence
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  Speaker 1: of that but they were going on, you know, the statistics.
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  Speaker 1: Statistics say like 95% of the time, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be somebody that you're close to who does this to you.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously when you're operating as an investigator, those are
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  Speaker 1: the people who are looked into first, the people around you,
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  Speaker 1: your boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, and that's how these investigations usually crack off.
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  Speaker 1: But with the lack of knowledge here and with us getting,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, meaning the public, getting very little from the authorities,
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  Speaker 1: everything has to be on the table. Police cannot say
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  Speaker 1: if they believe one of the victims was the intended target.
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  Speaker 1: Police are remaining tight-lipped about whether or not one of
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  Speaker 1: the four victims was the intended target of the quadruple homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Moscow Police Chief James Fry doubled down on their belief
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  Speaker 1: that the attack was targeted during Sunday's press conference, but
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  Speaker 1: would not confirm whether or not they believe one of
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  Speaker 1: the individuals was the main target. So you just open
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  Speaker 1: yourself up to more criticism as the police chief here.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to bring up the fact that they're targeted,
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  Speaker 1: you should have some more context about that. We believe
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  Speaker 1: they're targeted because we take the totality of all the
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  Speaker 1: circumstances we're looking at, said Moscow Police Chief James Fry.
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  Speaker 1: Do we know any one person was targeted? We're not
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  Speaker 1: able to say at this point in time due to
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  Speaker 1: our investigation. My guess is they do know, and they're
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  Speaker 1: just not letting anybody else know. The four victims were
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  Speaker 1: killed on the second and third floor of the home.
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  Speaker 1: Two other roommates were home at the time, And were unharmed.
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  Speaker 1: Police have said from the start. That the attack was targeted.
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  Speaker 1: And now chances are that it was right. But what
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  Speaker 1: led them to believe. That it was targeted. And not
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  Speaker 1: a random attack. Because they've really been focused on. This
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  Speaker 1: being a targeted attack. A crime of passion. But could
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  Speaker 1: they be missing something. Do they have tunnel vision here maybe.
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  Speaker 1: And it could be something completely different. Look I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is. There's not a lot here to
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  Speaker 1: go on. and he stumped around how surviving roommates slept
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  Speaker 1: through the violent knife attack. Yeah, they're not the only ones.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I tried to come up with some scenarios,
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  Speaker 1: even in the last episode, about, you know, partying, having
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  Speaker 1: some headphones on maybe, being absolutely drunk, and I could
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  Speaker 1: see that as being something that happened. I know I've
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  Speaker 1: been there before. When I was younger, I'd go out
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  Speaker 1: and party, I'd come home, literally would not be able
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  Speaker 1: to move. So hungover, drunk, last thing I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do was get up. But I don't know these people
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  Speaker 1: personally or their lifestyles or anything like that. So that
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  Speaker 1: could definitely be the thing. They said that originally they
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  Speaker 1: were sleeping and didn't get up until the time that
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  Speaker 1: they called 911. So my guess is, and just a guess,
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  Speaker 1: they were probably drunk or hammered from the night before
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  Speaker 1: and just didn't hear anything. As crazy as that sounds,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's where we're at. Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodel, and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death inside
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  Speaker 1: a home in King Road, Moscow, in the early hours
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  Speaker 1: of the morning on November 13th. The coroner said that
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  Speaker 1: they were stabbed multiple times, each with a large knife,
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  Speaker 1: and were likely sleeping in bed when the attack unfolded.
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  Speaker 1: Their bodies were found on the second and third floors
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  Speaker 1: of the three-story home. Goncalves and Mogan had spent Saturday
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  Speaker 1: night at a bar in downtown Moscow on while Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: and Chapin attended a sorority party on campus together. All
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  Speaker 1: four victims returned to the home at around 1.45. The
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  Speaker 1: three female victims live inside the home close to the
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  Speaker 1: university campus, along with two other female students. Police said
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  Speaker 1: that the pair were also in the property at the
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  Speaker 1: time of the killings, having returned to the property at
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  Speaker 1: around 1 a.m. Not long before, the four victims also
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  Speaker 1: returned home, so everybody was out having a night out,
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  Speaker 1: The two surviving roommates come home earlier, about one o'clock,
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  Speaker 1: go into their room. And again, this is according to
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  Speaker 1: the official story so far. They go into their room,
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  Speaker 1: lock their door. doors. They don't want to party that
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  Speaker 1: night or whatever the hell it was. So they go
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  Speaker 1: in and lock their doors and I'm guessing they go
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  Speaker 1: to sleep. Then they wake up in the morning and
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  Speaker 1: they wake up to this scene. That's what the investigators
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  Speaker 1: are telling us so far. Now, obviously, there's still a
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  Speaker 1: lot to be filled in. before we go from A
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  Speaker 1: to B here, as far as what happened that night.
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  Speaker 1: We only have a very bare-bones, minimum idea of the scenario.
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  Speaker 1: And that's because, again, the cops are keeping things close
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  Speaker 1: to their vest. The 911 call was not made by
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  Speaker 1: the killer, says officials. The 911 call alerting police to
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  Speaker 1: the slain University of Idaho students was not made by
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  Speaker 1: the killer, officials have confirmed. Questions continue to swirl around
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  Speaker 1: the 911 caller ever since the four students were found
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  Speaker 1: murdered in their off-campus home in Moscow. Police said officers
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  Speaker 1: had responded to a report of an unconscious individual at
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  Speaker 1: the property and turned up to find the four victims
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  Speaker 1: stabbed to death in the brutal attack. See, this still
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me either. Now... I'm trying not
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  Speaker 1: to let my mind wander and I'm trying to just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, go off of what the official police report
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  Speaker 1: says here. But how are you going to call and
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  Speaker 1: say it's somebody unconscious when we hear about how gruesome
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene was? There was no blood splatters. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't see blood on the floor. An unconscious person. See,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand that either. We're going to need more
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  Speaker 1: clarity and hopefully we'll get that eventually. But as of now,
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  Speaker 1: none of this makes sense. Literally none of it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: More than one week on from the killings, police are
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  Speaker 1: still refusing to say who placed the 911 call or
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  Speaker 1: why they referred to an unconscious individual given the brutal
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  Speaker 1: nature of the crime and bloody state of the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the question we all have, I'm guessing. And
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  Speaker 1: most of you who have emailed me to talk about
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  Speaker 1: this case have had pretty much the same concerns. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of gaps in this timeline and just a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things that do not make sense. And especially
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  Speaker 1: with the commentary from the police, them ruling out everybody
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  Speaker 1: basically that you would think would be close to being
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  Speaker 1: a suspect has been ruled out. So where does that
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  Speaker 1: leave us, right? Do the police know more than they're saying? Probably.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have a suspect? I don't know. Police admit
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  Speaker 1: they're stumped how surviving roommates slept through the slayings. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so are we all. Investigators have admitted that they're stumped
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  Speaker 1: how the two surviving roommates managed to sleep through the
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  Speaker 1: brutal slayings of their three roommates and roommate's boyfriend. Kaylee Goncalves,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to
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  Speaker 1: death inside their home in Moscow. All three female victims
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  Speaker 1: live in the home with two other females. Police said
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  Speaker 1: the pair were also home at the time of the killing,
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  Speaker 1: having returned to the property at around 1 a.m., not
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  Speaker 1: long before the victims arrived. The pair were unharmed in
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  Speaker 1: the violent knife attack and appear to have slept through
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  Speaker 1: what happened. And again, look, I'm trying to rationalize here, folks.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to think to myself how this could
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  Speaker 1: even happen, sleeping through all of this. And for me,
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  Speaker 1: the only way is if they were drunk from the
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  Speaker 1: night before and passed out that way. If that's not
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  Speaker 1: the case, I have no idea how they could sleep
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  Speaker 1: through something like this. I mean, I guess we can
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  Speaker 1: go with the scenario that since they were sleeping, they
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  Speaker 1: were caught off guard and didn't have time to make
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  Speaker 1: noise while they were killed. I guess that's a possibility. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a forensic expert. I'm not an expert on
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  Speaker 1: crime scenes or how this stuff happens or how people
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  Speaker 1: react when they get stabbed. But I can tell you this,
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  Speaker 1: what we do know and what we're hearing really doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make much sense to me. A 911 call was made
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  Speaker 1: from the property at 1158 on Sunday from the cell
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  Speaker 1: phone of one of the roommates reporting an unconscious individual.
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  Speaker 1: In a press conference on Sunday, police said that the
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  Speaker 1: surviving roommates did not wake up until later that morning.
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  Speaker 1: When pressed about how the two women managed to sleep
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  Speaker 1: through the violent stabbings of four individuals, officials admitted it
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  Speaker 1: is something investigators are also struggling to understand. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know that information at this point in time. said
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  Speaker 1: Chief James Fry of the Moscow Police Department. That's why
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  Speaker 1: we're continuing to investigate. So this whole situation with the
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  Speaker 1: roommates is very, very confusing. And until we get more
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  Speaker 1: context on who made the phone call, why they said
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  Speaker 1: it was an unconscious person as opposed to somebody who's dead. Look,
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  Speaker 1: that's another thing that I just can't, you know, come
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  Speaker 1: to grips with here. If you walked into that room
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  Speaker 1: and you saw this gruesome, bloody scene, why would you
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  Speaker 1: call and say there's an unconscious person? So we're going
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  Speaker 1: to need to have some explanation for that as well.
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  Speaker 1: Because as of now, this shit is all too weird.
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  Speaker 1: And there is not enough clarity, not enough answers. And
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  Speaker 1: I can understand why the families are freaking out about
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here. Investigators search wooded area behind the
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  Speaker 1: victim's home. Investigators working to solve the horror case of
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  Speaker 1: the four murdered Idaho students have been spotted searching the
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  Speaker 1: wooded area behind the victim's home. Photos taken on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: show local and federal law enforcement officers scouring through the
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  Speaker 1: bushes at the back of the property on Kings Road, Moscow,
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  Speaker 1: for any clues as to the brutal crime. The search
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  Speaker 1: teams were reportedly working on the theory that the killer
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  Speaker 1: could have hidden in the woods, watching the home before striking. Yo,
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  Speaker 1: if that's the case, then are we dealing, like I
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  Speaker 1: said earlier, are we dealing with a legitimate psychopath killer?
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  Speaker 1: Not somebody who was enraged by a crime of passion.
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  Speaker 1: Not somebody who was mad about, you know, some sort
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  Speaker 1: of beef with these girls or with Ethan. But instead,
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  Speaker 1: somebody who had nothing but murder on their mind the
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  Speaker 1: whole time and was actually like spying on these girls.
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  Speaker 1: That's like right out of a movie. That's like some
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  Speaker 1: Red Dragon shit, Francis Dollarhide sitting around in someone's backyard
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  Speaker 1: or up in their tree trying to formulate a plan
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  Speaker 1: on how to get into the house. Now, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying I buy into that. But, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on here. And with the police investigation turning
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  Speaker 1: up bupkis pretty much, everything has to be on the table.
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  Speaker 1: And these investigators especially, they have to go through the checklist,
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  Speaker 1: even if things sound absurd. They have to go through
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  Speaker 1: that checklist and make sure that that's not what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be a time consuming process unless
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  Speaker 1: they get a break. Some sort of evidence pops up.
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  Speaker 1: They get some sort of tip from somebody. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times that's what happens. But so far, eight
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  Speaker 1: days into this, we're pretty much at square one. And
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  Speaker 1: any any time that we seem to get some movement,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the nine phone calls certainly seem like something
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  Speaker 1: that was going to be crucial here. Turns out not
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  Speaker 1: to be the personal driver driving him home. Nope, not
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  Speaker 1: that guy. Oh, the guy by the Uber, by the
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  Speaker 1: food truck, that has to be it. Nope, sorry, not him.
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  Speaker 1: So everything that people thought might be a lead or
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  Speaker 1: might be crucial has turned out not to be in
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  Speaker 1: this case. So I'm expecting more craziness throughout the days
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  Speaker 1: as this case continues to evolve and they continue to
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  Speaker 1: search for who did this. So we'll be here cataloging
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  Speaker 1: it every step of the way. We'll have some more
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  Speaker 1: updates today as far as this case goes. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: some other things going on as well. But as of now,
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  Speaker 1: this is where we stand as far as the morning
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  Speaker 1: goes and what happened overnight. So that's going to do
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