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The Office: Holiday Special with Carey Bennett · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  So when I see this episode, I like actually in reviewing this
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  for this interview. I looked back at this episode
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  and I was like, oh that ties it up and I was like, I don't need
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  to see how it reads and like I was so grateful that you don't
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  really get a good look at it ever because he's always say, so
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  kinetic and moving around but it is So janky.
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  Hello, and welcome to the art of costume.
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  Block, a simoes with joy glass and I'm Spencer Williams.
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  What's up? Elizabeth?
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  Nothing much. Just getting into the holiday
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  spirit, putting out some decorations baking baked goods.
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  All the fun stuff. Can it come and do mine?
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  I still have all my Halloween stuff up.
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  Yeah. Sure.
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  I'll just I'll just get on a zoom:1.
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  Day, and I'll be like, take that down.
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  Put that up. Put a Santa hat on that.
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  That's actually all I do. I'll just direct you.
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  All. I do is just put Santa hats on
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  like things that don't need Santa hats and then I'll take
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  like, you know, like that cotton.
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  They turn into snow. I put that on everything.
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  It just makes me feel, you know, it doesn't snow in Los Angeles.
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  So I just like to make it feel some white fluffiness to
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  brighten your day. Elizabeth.
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  What are we gonna do today to get into the Holly Holly?
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  Hollywood Hollywood Spirit, what can we do today to get into
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  holiday spirit? Well, one of my favorite things
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  to do in the holiday season, is to watch all the holiday
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  episodes of all my favorite TV shows.
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  So this week, Spencer. We are watching the Christmas
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  party from season two of the office and Benihana Christmas
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  from season three of the office, two of the best episodes ever.
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  I mean, I say that about every episode, so whatever have you
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  They're so funny. And I personally love them
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  because they have that like cringy like Forest office party,
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  feel to both of them. That makes them so much fun,
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  right? That's what makes the office.
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  So, cool is just so cringe at makes you so uncomfortable.
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  And like, I love that about it. I love feeling uncomfortable.
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  Also, just really makes me want to play secret santa.
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  We should write each other being Earth.
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  Own secret Santas. Yeah.
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  Okay. I'll send you.
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  Decoy gifts. Okay, so you maybe think they're
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  from some of our other friends and then don't get the real
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  gift, boy. I think we should get into this.
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  I think we should to give us some summary Spencer.
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  Okay. So this is the first episode
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  where we actually have to summaries.
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  So one of them I took from IMDb. Sorry.
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  I cannot write to some reason. Elizabeth know it, Spencer, we
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  can talk about this later. All right, in Christmas party,
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  Dunder, Mifflin, employees play random.
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  See, Christina. Each goes horribly wrong to make
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  things worse. Michael changes the game from
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  Secret Santa to Yankee Swap, sing the part.
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  He's headed for disastrous boredom tears, everything,
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  Michael breaks corporate policy to buy alcohol for the staff.
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  I believe you buys like 20 bottles of vodka and asked if
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  this will do it. It's like an insane amount of
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  alcohol, like, you needed, two of those bottles, like just
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  insane. And then for Benihana Christmas
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  trouble among the members of the party.
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  In committee results with Pam and Karen hosting, a rival
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  Christmas party, but Michael isn't interested in celebrating
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  after being dumped by Carol. So good, so good.
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  I love the scene where he's dumped by Carol because it's
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  like gosh at, like, it's so obvious that that's not
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  something you should do, right? And breakups of never been so
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  funny then on the office. Alright, truly truly a, but
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  let's get behind the Wardrobe. So, This party was directed by
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  Charles McDougal and Benihana. Christmas Harold, Ramos with
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  Incredible costume, designer. Carry Bennett.
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  You will know her from her work on Scrubs and seasons one
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  through four of the office and Spencer this week for our behind
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  the Wardrobe facts. We have with us.
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  Carry Bennett. Yay.
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  Carrie, welcome right guys, welcome to the art of costume
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  studio. This is so super cool.
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  Well, thank you so much for having me.
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  We are so excited to talk to you.
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  We've been talking about this episode since like I, oh, no
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  August, right? Well, before Christmas, you
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  know, that's, that's, that's Hollywood style.
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  You gotta celebrate Christmas in July, right?
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  Yeah. You gotta be sweating with a
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  Santa hat on. Yeah.
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  That's when we make those episodes.
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  Try to make it look like it's cold and everybody's being cozy.
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  But yeah. Meanwhile, it's hotter.
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  Than the desert. All right.
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  Well, we're so excited to talk to you.
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  But first before we get into all the fun office stuff.
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  I just like to hear a little bit about your journey to becoming a
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  costume designer. Was this.
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  Something you always wanted to do.
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  Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
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  Okay. Let me think here.
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  There were starting off real hard and quick.
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  Deep as deep as can be. Yes.
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  Um, well, I tell you that, so I actually I went to UC Santa
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  Barbara as a dance major, but quickly found the costume shop
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  there and started working on helping out with costumes and
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  stuff like that. And for the different dance
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  Productions, and then took a costume design class there by
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  the amazing and Bruce who planted the seed in my head that
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  my energy would be really good for costumes for TV shows and
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  she had gone to calarts. For Nia Institute of the Arts.
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  So when I graduated, I was like, oh my God, what do I do?
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  Am I going to be a dancer? My going to move to New York
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  with all my friends and be a dancer or maybe go back to
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  school. So I got I rustled up a
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  portfolio, which is hilarious. I should post that at some point
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  like, yeah, my drawing skills were pretty weird.
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  I would love to see it, but I got into Cal arts and for the
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  master's program. For costume design and they have
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  an incredible program there. It's called podacter Performing
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  Arts design technology. And that was like the best thing
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  I ever could have done. It just gave me the confidence
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  to know what I was talking about and really ignited.
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  The the costumes I'm flame and one of the guest speakers that
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  came and spoke to us with Jenna rosenblatt, and she, she
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  actually is no, she's doing interior design.
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  Now, she doesn't do costume anymore, but she's an amazing
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  designer and She came and told us all the things to do to get a
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  job in the industry. And I did all those things to
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  her and hounded her for my first job, which was helping her out
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  on the state, which was a show on Comedy Central.
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  And so, I moved to New York when I graduated and helped her with
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  that. I thought I was going to be
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  there for like, six months and end up being there for six
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  years. And it just totally set the
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  trajectory for my career because You just did all these like
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  Comedy Central. VH1 MTV shows that were all
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  comedy shows. So, I ended up doing the state.
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  Upright Citizens Brigade and I end up taking over her jobs when
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  she was kind of moving out of kozma sign Strangers With Candy.
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  I'm forgetting something. That's also a big one.
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  Okay, okay, but you know, it was just put me in this world of all
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  of these kind of now kind of culty classic comedy shows and
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  was really working in that world and meeting those directors.
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  And then flash-forward. I was kind of trying to move
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  back to LA, which is where I'm from and director Adam
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  Bernstein. I had done some commercials with
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  him and we ran into each other at a coffee shop.
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  Me like, hey, what are you doing?
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  You like? I'm doing this.
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  I'm doing a pilot for this show Scrubs.
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  That's like I'm available. Let's just this little show.
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  We know that's all they all start out.
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  Like they just start out as like a pilot and you're just kind of
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  like scrapping it together and you know trying to trying to
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  find that world and then you know who no one knows it's going
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  to blow up into some big thing. I mean, that was certainly the
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  case with the office, right? Yeah.
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  I mean I did that on a Hiatus from Scrubs.
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  I just kind of like threw it in like oh, you know, yeah, I could
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  do that little little project. Oh, this little tiny project
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  that's not going to go anywhere. Yeah.
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  Well, I didn't think about it. You just do it.
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  You just got your nose to the grindstone and you're figuring
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  it out. And I think it was like a year
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  after we did the pilot that it got picked up.
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  So again, I was kind of like, you know, did that a lot of
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  Pilots that I do? Don't go anywhere.
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  I think this, the statistic is like, 90 percent of Pilots.
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  Don't do anything, that's inside own tons of those, you know, so
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  I just kind of was like, well, I'm gonna just do another thing
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  and then, you know, it's crazy. But like, look at what happened.
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  It's so, It's so it's so insane and I actually feel like I've
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  you know, I've done a lot of Pilots that have gone plays like
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  it did the pilots of Scrubs and that went huge and yeah.
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  Done a lot of Pilots that have gone on to bigger and better
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  things. And I really feel like the magic
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  sauce is that, no one is assuming it's going to go
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  anywhere in the beginning. Like, you're just kind of
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  invested in it and a really visceral way.
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  Like everyone's doing their research and they're
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  communicating talking about ideas.
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  Has and those are the ones that that I've been on that really
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  end up going somewhere. Well, that's amazing.
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  Yeah, I love that so much. So the office isn't really
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  thought of as like a costume show but it's their costumes
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  that really make the look and defined like the feel of the
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  show. What was kind of your thoughts
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  on that. How do you dress a paper office?
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  Yes. Thank you for saying that.
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  Like I've had to sort of My honor and a few interviews where
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  they're like, What's that? There's no costumes like this.
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  Like that's just how they look right?
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  Like, that's how people look no. Oh my gosh.
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  Well, that makes me crazy and I like, yeah, makes me crazy too.
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  Well, it's like, you know, those were the hottest actors in
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  Hollywood, like they show up and they're cute little outfits, and
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  their little jumpsuits and it's my job to take them down a
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  notch, right? You think I'm down a couple
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  notches and make them like, you know, make them really real and
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  I'm really resonate and truly. Truly.
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  The only way I can do that is by calling on real life like that.
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  I never assume that I know what the look is.
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  I always have to go out in the world and find some sort of
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  Touchstone. That is my grounding and my
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  palate basically. So where the office was
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  concerned. I know I was like wow, I've
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  never I personally have never worked in an office.
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  I got a It myself to an office and looks like, and I have told
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  this story a lot of times, but please start again.
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  I'm obsessed with this story. Okay.
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  I mean, I, you know, and this is again, it's like just that sort
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  of Innocence. Like, I always kind of have,
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  like, I don't want to say, fear of doing it wrong.
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  But like, I want to, I really want to make sure that I'm
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  honoring the real what what's, what the that world that we're
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  trying to create what's real in that world.
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  So I literally opened up the phone book and because that was
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  the phone book back then and found a paper company that I
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  kind of was like, well, it seems like it's coated the right size.
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  It was in the next town over from me and I just invited
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  myself over there. I was just like I'm doing
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  research. Is it?
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  Would it be okay if I came in? Saw what you guys do and they
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  were so wonderful. The owner was Meredith 100%.
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  Oh my God. She was so great.
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  Oh, well well, but not I mean not like in just in the way.
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  She looked, right? Yeah.
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  I don't want to put He's a little nutty.
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  Yes. But anyway, I so anyways, I just
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  yeah, I invited myself over there and I took a million
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  pictures. They were so wonderful.
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  They let me just take pictures. I asked each, you know, I went
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  kind of from office to office to pictures of everybody that was
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  there. I mean it was everything that
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  offers was incredible. They even had it had a similar
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  vibe to the English version, which I love like they even had
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  my God. They even had that that talking
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  fish on a And that was like, I found it.
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  I found it. This is so great.
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  And they had like inspirational quotes that were printed off the
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  computer. So they were like on eight and a
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  half by eleven like super long, giant long printed out, things
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  on their walls. It was awesome.
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  It was so great. So awesomely terrible.
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  It's so hot, you know, but just also just an office, like, real
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  office life. Anyways, wonderful and all the
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  characters were there. Everybody was there and
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  including, like the warehouse space was amazing.
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  They had like a deer head on the wall.
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  And oh, wow. I just took pictures of
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  everything. Everything everything and then I
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  went back and I made a little noise, a presentation and I had
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  little welcome to the working week music with it and I brought
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  it back and show and I showed, you know, Greg Daniels and kenko
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  apis was our director on the pilot and they were like, what
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  is this? Where is this?
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  What is this place? Like you must take us here and
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  So, we all went back, we and we took the production designer,
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  and they took video cameras, and they literally videotape the
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  whole place. We ended up making a deal with
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  them to use all of their office supplies.
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  Like they supplied, all the things that we needed.
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  Oh, wow. This is insane.
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  It was the most incredible wealth of information and like
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  that photo essay that I did was always what I came back to.
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  When I kind of needed to like be like wait, what am I doing?
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  And especially when the actor started being like, I want to be
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  fancy like, You can't be the key is you gotta see this.
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  Yeah. Yeah, so that was that just was
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  my sort of Cornerstone for moving forward with the design
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  of the show and also sort of the realization that like people
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  that work in offices aren't really totally up to Modern fast
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  and standards, you know, like it was a little they were a little
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  bit sort of 80's 90's kind of vibe, you know, like it's a no
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  one's spending a lot of time, a lot of money on those.
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  Kind of close, right? Because you're just there every
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  day. You're not trying to like
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  impress anyone. You just kind of bear.
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  You're not particularly inspired by your clothes.
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  And so that was really the flavor that I wanted to bring to
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  it as well as figuring out ways to knock those actors to
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  visually visually, you know, like just just to make them have
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  a, some sort of a sense of vulnerability because I feel
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  like that is always what makes Characters really endearing.
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  Oh man. This is why I love costume
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  designing. I mean just this entire research
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  project into a Paper Company like office.
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  I mean, this is why it was with an I do.
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  This podcast is one of the coolest stories ever, you know,
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  it's so important. It's like that's that's what
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  makes it really resonate. And if you're just trying to
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  like turn out a TV, show that reads to right now When the
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  Thought hasn't gone into it that reads to and your Doing a
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  disservice at that point. I love that.
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  But you talk about how the like when you went to the company
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  like every character was there. How did you like translate those
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  real life employees into these characters?
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  Everybody loves? Oh my gosh.
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  Well, you know, it's like I said, there's there are there
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  were touchstones. Like there was a guy there that
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  most people there had kind of this office where on like a, you
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  know, shirt and slacks, but this one guy was their kind of, I
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  don't know what. Like why he didn't have to be
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  sort of dressed in office, where but he had on a t-shirt with
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  wolves on it. And I was like, that's amazing.
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  That guy's amazing. Like what is his story and why
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  is he like this outlier and why this he doesn't have to dress
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  like everybody else doesn't have her office where it wasn't like
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  Casual Friday, but he was just, he said wolf guy and it's.
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  So that was obviously, Dwight was like full on, right?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I mean he Is really, he was the one and then and then I said, I
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  also even kind of ask them, like, where you guys shop.
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  What's your, what's your like? I mean, a lot of the girls were
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  like thrift stores. They were like, they shop at
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  thrift stores. So, we did a lot of that, and
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  then the guys were like, yeah, you know, I just go to like JC
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  Penney and they have like their, I think still to this day.
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  You can go to j.c. Penney and you can get a full
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  suit, a shirt, a belt. And socks, I think, for one
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  convenient price perfect usually done tie is like a whole outside
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  thing. I got to figure out your Thai
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  story, you know, but but yes, I just I was I always embraced
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  trying to embrace that like, where do you shop like we're you
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  know, because a lot of times in Hollywood like what you're doing
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  is these sneaky amazing creative ways of making everybody look
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  really good. Using really high-end clothes
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  that then kind of take down a notch like that's kind of a
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  thing. Like I've always say like
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  t-shirts are like $200 off the top on the show because you're
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  buying is really expensive, beautifully cut t-shirts that
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  make everybody look great, you know, and then if you're having
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  it printed, then that's another probably $200.
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  So, like, t-shirts that you see, on on shows, are like, you know,
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  two to four hundred dollars, that's normal in Hollywood.
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  So on this, I really dedicated myself to shopping at those
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  places, buying that, that stuff that's like that.
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  He buys, you know, people don't buy 200 our t-shirts in real
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  life. I know Jenna always talks about
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  like she there with a sandwich head out of jeans and she was
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  expecting all these like ing is and I'm like no girl.
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  Oh you're shopping at Mervyn's now, so we just because it
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  informs the fit and informs the way their bodies look and
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  informs the way they feel when they're wearing it all of that.
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  It's all really important. So yes, I did that.
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  Answer the question, I guess. Yeah.
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  Asking those are real people, where they shot.
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  And like and actually dedicating myself to shopping at those
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  places. This is so fun already.
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  Like I forgot in an episode. Yeah.
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  Well Carrie, we have so many questions, but we're going to
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  kick up the holiday spirit in here a little bit.
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  So we're going to take a break and when we get back, we're
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  going to play like secret Santa or Yankee swab or white elephant
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  a wonderful gift giving game. Let's do it.
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  All right. So the Christmas party this
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  episode is so wild and I feel like the ties are Even Wilder,
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  where did you find these? Like, who, how did you decide
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  who got what like this sexy like Santa woman tie.
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  Like I wouldn't even know where to get that.
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  It's so bad. But so good.
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  Carry the so bad. I know, I know so, you know, I
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  have to admit like Mervyn's was which as I think sadly is not
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  really around anymore, but that was, it was Mervyn's is not
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  around anymore. I know.
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  Because Used to shop there. Why?
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  I got it was such a wealth of bad ties and Jennifer Siri who
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  supervise that this show for with me.
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  She and I would shop our butts off, and we would always love
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  our Thai. Thai Time, and Mervyn's, and we
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  were just like, this is so hideous.
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  Oh my god. Look how great this is.
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  It's So hideous. And, you know, yeah, just
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  pouring through those piles of ties.
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  There was I think I was So one of our main sources, really,
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  it's sad. I feel I feel bad for guys
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  because Mervyn's, not there anymore, where else do we get
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  our terrible ties? I don't know.
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  I actually I do not ever wear a tie.
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  I mean Elizabeth, he'll probably die if I were a tie.
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  So ya know anything about it. I don't think I've liked all the
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  years. We've known each other.
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  I've never seen you in the tie. Not once I think it's because I
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  don't know how to tie one that. I'm just like, let's not let's
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  just plan an outfit around, not wearing a tie.
• 21:31
  Yeah. Hi, you don't eyes are like
• 21:33
  jewelry for men. It's the only way.
• 21:35
  It's the only way to express themselves, and like that was
• 21:39
  and truly, that's how it is in the office like that.
• 21:41
  You know, they all kind of wearing suits.
• 21:42
  So like I was really dedicated to their Thai story.
• 21:45
  Each character had had, there's really specific tie story.
• 21:49
  It's so funny though that Jim went to the Christmas party.
• 21:52
  And he's not wearing a special tie.
• 21:53
  He's just, he doesn't care, he's wearing whatever he wants.
• 21:57
  He doesn't care. You know, I always my idea with
• 22:00
  him from the get-go. I mean, he's Come on, he's so
• 22:03
  handsome. I'm like, how am I going to
• 22:05
  bring this guy down? And I was always thinking that
• 22:09
  he probably just really didn't care about office closed.
• 22:13
  And probably this borrowed stuff from his dad and I had initially
• 22:16
  found these woolly ties like wool ties, like it's so weird.
• 22:21
  It's such an old thing. And so we had we had like, I
• 22:24
  think we had three for him, these wool ties and it was so
• 22:27
  kind of thick and lumpy and it just softened John so much that
• 22:32
  Those pleated pants, you know, I just think I just always felt
• 22:36
  like he just never put any thought into it and just if you
• 22:40
  just was getting by, and so later on, we ended up actually
• 22:44
  making toys for him. We built all of his ties that
• 22:47
  because it was really hard to find wool talk.
• 22:50
  It's just not a thing. I don't even know where to look.
• 22:53
  Yeah. I don't think you, I really you
• 22:55
  can't find it. You can, you know, find them,
• 22:57
  sometimes I can cost two houses because they collect those kind
• 22:59
  of things. But yeah, I just I needed him to
• 23:01
  have those soft. Fuzzy ties.
• 23:03
  So we just always kept going with those Elizabeth.
• 23:06
  Do you have a favorite Thai from this episode?
• 23:10
  I think my favorite tie, it's hard.
• 23:14
  Okay, it's hard to choose. I liked whites though because
• 23:17
  it's holiday, but it's not, it's not holiday.
• 23:22
  It's like, it's Dwight. It's white day.
• 23:24
  Yes. Yeah.
• 23:26
  I love Dwight is like still kind of wearing his everyday think
• 23:30
  he's just like I'll just put this outfit.
• 23:32
  On top of that, just finishes the look, you know, yeah.
• 23:35
  Yeah. Yeah, his nebulous.
• 23:37
  Yeah, his wardrobe was like Olive ogre like cream.
• 23:44
  Well, it's a beautiful palette, wish you know, it's funny to us.
• 23:48
  Like I all of his suits again, came from JCPenney and they came
• 23:51
  and he's like kids like they had they had all those colors like
• 23:54
  that. Like putty colors and olive
• 23:57
  green and ochre yellow and they had I was just like He was 100%
• 24:03
  JCPenney and I was wandering through there that must have
• 24:07
  been just like a couple of years ago.
• 24:09
  I swear to God they had a whole thing set up of those colors.
• 24:14
  Like it was like this. It was almost like Dwight land.
• 24:16
  Like they had done it. It wasn't marketed that way, but
• 24:19
  I was like, I see you JCPenney. I see what you're doing.
• 24:22
  This is the Dwight collection. Okay.
• 24:25
  You said you're capitalizing on the Dwight collection.
• 24:28
  We see you. You're not kidding bias,
• 24:30
  JCPenney. Well, my favorite character
• 24:36
  probably of like any TV show ever is Angela Martin.
• 24:41
  I forgot her last name was going to call her Angela Kinsey.
• 24:43
  And so Martin played by Angela Kinsey.
• 24:47
  She is brilliant and I just love that like Christmas or holiday
• 24:51
  and every Christmas. She likes steps it up.
• 24:53
  You know, I mean I dare to say that her costumes always kind of
• 24:57
  elevated compared to everyone else.
• 24:58
  But Christmas is like this is her day, you know, so how How
• 25:02
  did you approach dressing the incredible?
• 25:05
  The legend, Angela, Martin, and the Christmas party.
• 25:09
  The legend, you know, Angela. She got lots of extra tension
• 25:13
  because she's in real life is like mini.
• 25:17
  She's she's like child-sized, right?
• 25:21
  So trying to find those really Pious grown-up looks for.
• 25:26
  Her was always just a total challenge because you can't go
• 25:30
  in the kids section and find like a nice.
• 25:32
  The turtleneck a lot of her stuff was period because period
• 25:36
  stuff is smaller. That's why I hurt like all her
• 25:40
  crazy blouses with all the buttons and stuff.
• 25:42
  But yeah, you know, yeah, you got to just, you gotta pull out
• 25:46
  the turtlenecks and winter. Yeah, Lolly winter.
• 25:50
  Winter and quotes. Yeah, right.
• 25:53
  So I'm just always trying to find ways to sort of make it
• 25:56
  feel like it's colder out, even though, totally, not like we
• 25:59
  actually had an ice machine. We're looking at this video
• 26:03
  right now for after stomping the ornaments out in the snow, but
• 26:07
  we literally a truck came and blew snow all of our parking lot
• 26:12
  and that stuff falling from the sky is Bubbles.
• 26:16
  It's like a fake snow soap. Yeah, so, you know, so the real
• 26:20
  challenges is just trying to incorporate some clothing that
• 26:24
  actually people would wear when it's actually cold.
• 26:27
  Yeah, right, and I love all her like little Christmas ornaments
• 26:31
  to jewelry the Pins. It's like that's her favorite,
• 26:34
  you know, don't. Ya totally all her little
• 26:37
  things, usually cat oriented it, you know, it's actually funny
• 26:41
  because I feel like this episode this that first season we
• 26:45
  weren't so deeply into the cat theming because I'm realizing I
• 26:49
  guess I'm looking at her pin. That's just a little Santa
• 26:51
  Claus. But yeah, this might have been
• 26:53
  before we really were grasping that her love of cats.
• 26:59
  Elizabeth. There's a story about Angela.
• 27:02
  Uh, during this scene where she was supposed to, smash all the
• 27:04
  ornaments when she threw out the wall, but there are plastic, so
• 27:07
  they wouldn't break. So she like, went into a frenzy
• 27:10
  and had to start smashing them with her feet.
• 27:12
  It's so good. It's like one of my favorite
• 27:15
  scenes ever. I love this because like she,
• 27:19
  she does look like all like, very like inside wintry, but
• 27:22
  then she just walks out to the store, just like it heard
• 27:25
  turtleneck and like her skirt, and I'm like, you know, she's
• 27:28
  angry because at the point in winter, in Pennsylvania where
• 27:31
  it's snowing, it's So bitterly cold out like this one and must
• 27:34
  be furious to have just like, I'm outside without a coat on.
• 27:40
  That's a good point. Oh my gosh.
• 27:42
  I love that. She was like, screw dako.
• 27:44
  I'm leaving. Bye.
• 27:46
  So I love Phyllis and Meredith and these episodes cuz their
• 27:51
  outfits are so Christmas Centric.
• 27:52
  Like this is what I try to achieve each Christmas.
• 27:58
  It really is. Like I love just like that.
• 28:00
  How Christmas every Single piece, is Christmas.
• 28:04
  Oh my gosh, and, and I mean Phyllis, that's, that's come on.
• 28:09
  I mean, she's just so darling and so Earnest.
• 28:14
  Like, that's really where I always went with her.
• 28:17
  Like, what was her what's her Earnest attempt at, you know,
• 28:21
  being pretty being on theme being the lady of the office,
• 28:26
  you know, and I think we might have Hide those little
• 28:33
  poinsettias on to her sweater. I think possibly did that.
• 28:37
  I think we added those on, you know, because she's always
• 28:39
  wanted to have something that's kind of homemade.
• 28:42
  We do. We shopped a lot for her at a
• 28:44
  place called Dress Barn. I think it's the saddest most
• 28:49
  unfortunate name on the face of the Earth.
• 28:52
  Why would you ever? There are a lot of those out
• 28:54
  here? I know.
• 28:57
  I mean, it's yeah, what are ladies cows, they have to go to
• 29:01
  the barn to get Get an outfit. It's just so it's so
• 29:04
  unfortunate. Yeah, but they had wonderful
• 29:07
  outfits in there like that were a full outfit.
• 29:10
  That's the other thing is that she's such a lady.
• 29:12
  She always has her complete outfit with no shirt and skirt.
• 29:16
  That match sweater that goes with it and coordinating
• 29:19
  jewelry. That was like always her her
• 29:22
  Jam. Then we have sub Meredith as
• 29:25
  well. His kind of like the same five
• 29:27
  of us Phyllis, but then like not really expect it from her,
• 29:31
  right? It's like this is she was going
• 29:33
  for a Phyllis look but then got into the vodka and it just kind
• 29:36
  of, you know, fizzled from there.
• 29:38
  Yeah, and she's another one that I feel like kind of like Jim
• 29:42
  like, doesn't she just has to get through with her office
• 29:45
  where so she doesn't really it's not like she's shopping
• 29:49
  anywhere. She's I think thrifted most of
• 29:51
  her stuff and she just makes do because clearly as we see as she
• 29:55
  goes along, like she is somebody completely different when she's
• 29:59
  like, you know, outside of work. Work.
• 30:02
  So yeah, she for her. Totally the ugly Christmas
• 30:05
  sweater Vibe was was Perfection, right?
• 30:09
  It felt very thrifted. Like you said, like, kind of
• 30:11
  gets us like, this feels like a thrifted wardrobe for Meredith.
• 30:15
  I'm pretty sure her yes her. Yeah.
• 30:18
  Or costume houses, which is also a giant thrift store.
• 30:21
  But yeah, we threw together a lot of her stuff.
• 30:23
  And that, you know, thing is back when we did this.
• 30:25
  Like that's where you found those sweaters.
• 30:27
  Those crate. You're like, wow, who made this
• 30:29
  insane crazy sweater incur, sounds like clowns.
• 30:32
  Like Christmas class just so nuts.
• 30:36
  Who thought this was a great idea, snowman clowns.
• 30:39
  Yeah, and you know, what's funny, is like now and I,
• 30:42
  because I live in Burbank. There's literally an ugly
• 30:44
  Christmas sweater store here in Burbank.
• 30:47
  Now, I get the address from you later.
• 30:54
  I'm gonna say that. Yeah.
• 30:55
  Yeah, the office elevated. Ugly, Christmas sweaters, to
• 30:57
  that point. Now, we have a store.
• 31:00
  Now, they're everywhere. They're out, Target there.
• 31:02
  I'll because the Meredith and carry Bennett.
• 31:04
  Yeah, but not, I don't know, but, but that was definitely the
• 31:11
  vibe. We kind of talked about Dwight a
• 31:14
  little bit. Is there any kind of fun story?
• 31:16
  You could tell me behind Dwight's ridiculous elf hat and
• 31:19
  ears was that, you know for, for sure.
• 31:22
  I mean, we I always kind of bring in a bunch of stuff
• 31:27
  artifacts, you know, that could resonate somewhere and Let the
• 31:33
  actors play with stuff and you know, to see what what what
• 31:36
  sticks and you know, rain is such a consummate professional
• 31:41
  and such like an actor's actor. Like he was always the one that
• 31:44
  would contact me when he read the script and be like, hey, I'm
• 31:47
  wearing a hat in this one. Like what should it be?
• 31:50
  I was thinking about this and you know, now that I was
• 31:52
  thinking about this and then, you know, we would always kind
• 31:55
  of like, you know, put our heads together and figure it out.
• 31:57
  But so yeah, so the of course that the elf thing was totally
• 32:01
  one of those things Things that he just was like the here.
• 32:04
  This is it. This is great.
• 32:05
  I'm gonna wear the ears because I could totally visit.
• 32:08
  He was like, this is the one anyway.
• 32:13
  This. Oh, well, I think now that the
• 32:15
  Vodka starting to get out. I think we need to move on to
• 32:17
  the next episode because this Christmas party is getting
• 32:20
  pretty wild. - let's move on to another cringey.
• 32:24
  Christmas party starting with Benihana Christmas.
• 32:28
  This is season 3. It's actually episode 10 and 11.
• 32:32
  Whereas a part 1 and part 2, but if you watch on Netflix forever,
• 32:35
  like me, it was just one episode, so you might be
• 32:37
  confused, but it's 10 and 11. I love this episode.
• 32:41
  The, the Christmas theme really like takes a step up.
• 32:44
  Once again. I feel like everyone else is
• 32:46
  starting to get in on the action, too.
• 32:48
  Even Dwight, you know, his colors changed slightly, you
• 32:51
  know, not too much but slightly, but what I want to start with we
• 32:56
  kind of touched on this a little bit.
• 32:57
  The show is filmed in the LA area, but supposed to be
• 33:01
  Scranton, Pennsylvania. Nia.
• 33:02
  That's terribly cold like Elizabeth mentioned, I love that
• 33:05
  the show starts with Dwight walks in with this really nice
• 33:09
  coat. Actually.
• 33:10
  It's very structured but everyone's dressed like it's
• 33:12
  freezing. So how do you approach dressing?
• 33:16
  This cast to pretend like they're freezing cold, but it's
• 33:19
  actually probably like what 80 degrees outside.
• 33:24
  How did he work around it? That sounds terrible, you know,
• 33:29
  that's that's where I'm standing there like Them into like know
• 33:33
  you got you have to wear it. You have to wear.
• 33:35
  I'm sorry. I don't think comfortable that
• 33:38
  aware it. No, we can't.
• 33:40
  We can't skimp on it. No, you have to wear it.
• 33:41
  Like that's we literally standing outside that little
• 33:43
  office door being like no, it's good.
• 33:46
  Visit. Yeah, you're wearing if you take
• 33:48
  it off. I'm Gonna Get You.
• 33:49
  Keep It on. Ya, like like just like, you
• 33:52
  know, begging and pleading and you know, yeah, yeah for sure.
• 33:57
  And then, and then, you know, I'm looking at the script, like,
• 34:00
  after the scene, you can take that off.
• 34:02
  Or, you know, rationalize with them, you gotta do it.
• 34:07
  You gotta do it. I mean tweets coat.
• 34:11
  Actually, when we walk in. It's actually pretty nice.
• 34:13
  I'm not mad at like, oh, I'm like Dwight.
• 34:14
  That was a good find, I know. Yeah.
• 34:16
  Yeah. Well, and you know, he really
• 34:17
  loved do they when we got into this later, like, sort of his
• 34:20
  German ancestry. And so, I actually think that we
• 34:23
  got that in an Army-Navy like it's it's like a what's a real
• 34:28
  wool. We wanted his fashion came from
• 34:31
  Army-Navy. That makes sense.
• 34:34
  I'm sure. I mean I would say he kind of
• 34:38
  ruins the coat do with the dead goose.
• 34:39
  He just found on the street. So corporate gives a gift to
• 34:43
  everyone in the office and it is This brilliant.
• 34:46
  Dunder, Mifflin, robe. That looks so cozy.
• 34:49
  It was early one made for everyone there in the office.
• 34:52
  Or how did that work out? It looks so nice.
• 34:56
  Yeah, they're not just the the actors on screen, but they end
• 34:59
  up getting made for every school crew person.
• 35:02
  And anybody who worked on the office, so we all got those
• 35:05
  robes. So it was kind of like a to a
• 35:07
  two-fold pigmented. Because I mean, it was going to
• 35:09
  work for this bit and then, you know, make sure that we had
• 35:13
  enough of them to go around except everyone except for Toby,
• 35:18
  who like me, I was so upset when he didn't get one.
• 35:21
  So heartbreaking. And when he reaches out to
• 35:24
  touch, touch, it, just breaks your heart, right?
• 35:30
  So funny, So once again, we have some incredible ties and he's
• 35:36
  tie is one of the most obnoxious things.
• 35:39
  I think I've seen it on the show and it's just like, it's such a
• 35:43
  reflection of his personality. How did you like come to this
• 35:48
  decision? Oh my God.
• 35:49
  Okay. What if this?
• 35:50
  Thank you for even noticing it first of all, but second of all,
• 35:53
  how can you not notice that? Yes.
• 35:55
  That is the question here. Here's the thing and this is the
• 35:58
  this is the honesty that I bet every designer would say, this
• 36:01
  at a certain A point in every production there, you're under
• 36:04
  such pressure and under such a time limit and you're not
• 36:09
  finding the thing that you want. This tie for me, is actually so
• 36:13
  cringy in my own personal life because, you know, his and he's
• 36:20
  ties were always, he's like really bright obnoxious preppy
• 36:24
  ties, but I could not find one. That was Christmassy.
• 36:28
  I just couldn't land on the thing.
• 36:30
  It was crazy. So his Hi, we literally made it
• 36:35
  at the last minute. And if you really look carefully
• 36:37
  at it, it's a red tie that has green ribbons sewn to it.
• 36:41
  Oh my gosh, no way amazing. And I it always but it was so
• 36:46
  like it literally just got down to the wire and we I just was
• 36:49
  like, there's a desperation move on my part.
• 36:51
  So when I see this episode, I like actually in reviewing this
• 36:55
  for this interview. I looked back at this episode
• 36:57
  and I was like, oh, that ties it up and I was like, nope.
• 37:02
  I need to see how it reads and like I'm so grateful, like you
• 37:04
  don't really get a good look at it ever because he's always,
• 37:06
  he's so kinetic and moving around.
• 37:08
  You don't really get to look at it too closely, but it is so
• 37:11
  janky. I'm glad it resonates with you.
• 37:17
  But like for me it's like one of those things, like there's
• 37:19
  always something like that in every show for me where I'm
• 37:21
  like, it's just cringing because I had to just I just ran out of
• 37:25
  time and had to get it on camera.
• 37:27
  There it is. I think it's incredible.
• 37:30
  It's so on point. For Andy, it says so much.
• 37:34
  You know, it's like it's a simple green and red tie but
• 37:38
  it's just says everything Buzz personality.
• 37:40
  Like even Michael's face is like, oh my God, I can't with
• 37:42
  this guy, right? It's like shiny.
• 37:45
  And this is a sissy all his things are just.
• 37:47
  So yeah, he just needed to have like the most obnoxious bright
• 37:50
  ties because that's just him. It's great.
• 37:53
  I also love like Michael. He's all like, oh about
• 37:57
  Christmas about Christmas. And then as I was watching this
• 38:00
  second episode, I realized it's the same.
• 38:02
  Same tie from the previous year, I would feel like he'd have like
• 38:05
  a slew of Christmas ties. But yeah, no.
• 38:09
  Yeah. No, no, you know and his ties
• 38:12
  are so specific. Like they again, it was like a
• 38:15
  search at Mervyn and Mervyn's and we always had to have
• 38:18
  multiples of all the ties, right?
• 38:20
  Because a lot of times they episode would take place the
• 38:22
  scripted. It was only just one day but it
• 38:25
  would take us a whole week to shoot it.
• 38:26
  So things happen, you know, like they get to go to lunch with her
• 38:29
  costume on and they get spaghetti on their tie or
• 38:31
  whatever. So we always had to have
• 38:33
  multiples of everything. So finding his weird muddy ties
• 38:37
  that he thought were cool was such a challenge because at
• 38:42
  Mervyn's they were like there's this weird, muddy tie and it
• 38:45
  would have little tiny triangle on it.
• 38:46
  So I've been digging through trying to find multiples of that
• 38:48
  tie. And I would find the exact same
• 38:50
  tie, but it had little circles instead of Little Triangle, but
• 38:54
  it was exactly the same. Or then, I found another one and
• 38:56
  it was like little squares instead of the triangles and I
• 39:00
  was like so flustered one time and I asked the sales girl and
• 39:03
  I'm like, what is the deal with these ties?
• 39:05
  Like why are they, they're exactly the same, but not and
• 39:08
  she just totally Shrugged in the like, because men, like, what
• 39:14
  does that mean? And she's like, because men find
• 39:17
  their thing that they like and then they just buy the same
• 39:20
  version. The same thing like it's the
• 39:23
  same colorway but different shapes because then it's
• 39:26
  different as quote, unquote different.
• 39:27
  And I was like, oh my God, that's so profound.
• 39:30
  I feel so scene right now. I'm taking this personally, you
• 39:41
  know, this is so great. I got, you know, you never know
• 39:43
  where you're going to find your your magical little source of
• 39:47
  information and making it all click.
• 39:48
  Yeah. So let me guess she was, she was
• 39:51
  so wonderful. And, and yeah, so, yeah, so he's
• 39:53
  got the same Christmas dive because that's just trying to
• 39:55
  bring it out every year. That's, that's the one he's got
• 39:58
  it. This is the Christmas tie, you
• 40:00
  know, like he probably has a Halo.
• 40:02
  Queen Tie. Probably has the st.
• 40:03
  Patrick's Day die, but that's it.
• 40:05
  It brings it out that. So we're in Benihana, when
• 40:11
  you're doing scenes like this, in a real place, like a
• 40:14
  Benihana's. How do you approach like the
• 40:16
  costume design for that to have to like, partner with the
• 40:19
  restaurant? Did you have to actually make
• 40:21
  Benihana costumes? I also noticed, there's a lot
• 40:24
  extras in the background to, which is fun.
• 40:26
  Yeah. I know on the extras are always
• 40:28
  good because that's like all fun thrifted stuff.
• 40:30
  Mmm. Yeah.
• 40:32
  So, the answer the question, it's kind of there's sort of two
• 40:35
  routes to that. Like if we're actually using the
• 40:37
  real Betty Hannah and we're using the name, then it's
• 40:41
  required that we use exactly what they, what they wear.
• 40:46
  That was the same for when we did the Hooters episode.
• 40:50
  I was horrified when I got those actual Hooter uniforms.
• 40:53
  Wow, but yeah, this so I think yeah, I think we use the real,
• 40:57
  the real Benihana uniforms if I remember correctly.
• 41:01
  Yeah, right. Right.
• 41:02
  I've been there like one time so this looks like it.
• 41:04
  I don't know that will check for me.
• 41:09
  Okay, so this is another Angela heavy episode.
• 41:12
  So I'm not going to let you go without talking about Angela.
• 41:15
  Once again, she somehow just elevates, even more.
• 41:19
  I'm obsessed with dislike white Lacy, Meshi top as she wears and
• 41:24
  of course, her party theme is Nutcracker Christmas.
• 41:26
  So she has to have the little Nutcracker pin.
• 41:30
  Can we just, can you just walk us through?
• 41:32
  The South look, it's just so good at such.
• 41:34
  This is actually in my phone Carrie.
• 41:36
  This is your contact photo right now.
• 41:41
  Adorable. That's so awesome.
• 41:43
  I'm so I'm honored. I literally think I actually had
• 41:46
  some questions about this place because I thought it might read
• 41:49
  too sexy for her because it's a little transparent.
• 41:54
  You know, that kind of came in my mind to is like this is a
• 41:56
  little more risque for Angela, but somehow it still works
• 42:00
  though. I don't know what it is about
• 42:01
  it, you know, so the so we ended up like, you know, I kind of
• 42:05
  again like I kind of pull it back to sort of like 80s 90s
• 42:08
  like that's because it also helps Feel a little dated, a
• 42:12
  little, you know, kind of frumpy.
• 42:16
  And so we actually end up putting, you know, back then
• 42:19
  people were slips. People were little, like, little
• 42:23
  camisoles underneath their little blouse.
• 42:25
  So, that's what she's got on under there.
• 42:27
  She got her little Cami to keep it to keep it so that it's, you
• 42:31
  know, proper properly should probably covered up, right?
• 42:34
  But II pulled a lot of vintage stuff for her because it just
• 42:39
  was what fit? And that's what this little
• 42:42
  beauty is. I think with the Thousand
• 42:44
  buttons, I think, if you talk to Angela, she will, she will
• 42:47
  disparage the blouses with 1000 buttons because they were
• 42:52
  practical, she had to do them all up.
• 42:54
  And I was always like, you know, a girl, this is this is It's
• 42:57
  Your meditation like this is getting you into character,
• 43:00
  right? You got a button all those 60
• 43:02
  buttons on that. Blouse under she so angry all
• 43:05
  the time. It's how she got into her
• 43:09
  angered space. Yeah.
• 43:11
  Let's get into the costume or Angela.
• 43:13
  If you're listening, I would like to talk to you about the
• 43:15
  buttons. So please DM me.
• 43:19
  And actually if you look later on to like a lot of those
• 43:21
  buttons became little kitty heads.
• 43:23
  Oh, that's perfect. I actually, I have noticed that
• 43:26
  little kitty buttons. I love the kitty theme that is
• 43:29
  just so perfect for her. But then we get into like the
• 43:31
  real Madness of this episode. The, the margarita karaoke
• 43:37
  Christmas party versus The Nutcracker.
• 43:39
  Christmas. It's kind of subtle, but
• 43:41
  actually The Nutcracker Christmas group is a little bit
• 43:44
  more traditional costumes. I don't know if this is
• 43:46
  attentional, but like, this is how I see it.
• 43:49
  It's very like, more traditional costumes.
• 43:51
  But then when you are in the margarita, karaoke, Christmas
• 43:54
  party, like the warehouse guys are there, it's little bit more
• 43:57
  dressed down Karen. She has like a button undone,
• 44:01
  you know, it's like a little more loose.
• 44:02
  There. Were you kind of like working on
• 44:04
  set to make that kind of come through?
• 44:06
  Oh, well. Yeah, of course.
• 44:07
  I mean that's that's a Moment, when we start to establish these
• 44:12
  scenes like, what level of undress or dishevelment, we
• 44:19
  tried to trying to achieve here, you know, and then and then that
• 44:22
  goes into the hands of the amazing detail oriented set
• 44:25
  costumers, who who hold that line and make sure that
• 44:29
  everybody's staying in that that level of whatever chaos so fun.
• 44:36
  I also could really use a margarita right now.
• 44:38
  Elizabeth. We talked about having
• 44:39
  margaritas for Or podcast time. And it hasn't happened yet.
• 44:42
  Right. I know.
• 44:44
  We need to find an episode where that's appropriate.
• 44:46
  Yeah. This might be it.
• 44:49
  I don't know. I feel like it's yeah, we gotta
• 44:51
  drop the looking at picture. Just realize that I have to
• 45:00
  mention Angela's like red and black shirt that went with that
• 45:04
  white top. It was so perfect.
• 45:06
  I just saw the photos like whoa, whoa, whoa skirt so good and
• 45:09
  actually know as I'm looking. Photos.
• 45:11
  You know what? I definitely those things
• 45:14
  resonate with me because their stuff.
• 45:15
  My mom used to wear, like she had like a Christmas skirt, you
• 45:20
  know, and always the red turtleneck and, you know, like
• 45:23
  that those those things that are sort of ingrained in your
• 45:26
  psyche. You know what Christmas outfits
• 45:29
  are supposed to look like and Jen has character Pam.
• 45:33
  She's just like so cute in this episode.
• 45:35
  Like, I feel like she's really starting to come into her style
• 45:38
  a little bit at least were two holidays, you know.
• 45:40
  Like she she spends a couple extra minutes in the morning
• 45:43
  when it's a Christmas or Halloween will definitely
• 45:46
  Halloween. Like that's a whole different
• 45:47
  thing. But, yeah, Christmas.
• 45:49
  She definitely like takes a couple extra minutes and she
• 45:51
  always look so cute and I love her jewelry.
• 45:54
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:54
  Yeah, but thank you. I, you know, she's just a foxy
• 45:58
  librarian as totally her vibe and we did because if you look
• 46:05
  at that, she's just wearing a pink sweater like she's not
• 46:09
  really again. So engaged in it and you know
• 46:13
  around now it was it was difficult to hold the line with
• 46:16
  these actors because they were, it was getting more popular and
• 46:18
  they like I said, they wanted to be fancy.
• 46:21
  I've told the story before about Ricky, Gervais is coming to the
• 46:25
  set and I kind of forget what that was.
• 46:28
  I feel like it was maybe the end of the first season of second
• 46:30
  season. And he said, hey, how's it going
• 46:33
  for you? And I said, well, you know, I'm
• 46:36
  holding the line. Like, I'm trying really hard to
• 46:38
  keep everybody down. Down.
• 46:41
  And in that sort of vulnerable space, and kind of frumpy.
• 46:43
  And he goes. Oh God, tell me about it.
• 46:46
  He's out. He's like after the second after
• 46:48
  the first season on the English version.
• 46:50
  He's like everybody. All the actors came back.
• 46:52
  They had Tans, they had whiten their teeth.
• 46:55
  They were like and they wanted to be all fancy and I was like,
• 46:59
  oh my God, that's so thank you for feeling my pain.
• 47:05
  That's right. Like Steve Carell is like
• 47:06
  blowing up at this moment. Yeah, hold a huge.
• 47:09
  He was so huge. He was like flying out after
• 47:12
  after shooting, going to movie sets and stuff.
• 47:15
  Like they all were and so they all really all wanted their
• 47:17
  fancy stuff. And they wanted to appear,
• 47:20
  fancier, you know, more well put together and I was like, no,
• 47:24
  please, no, no. No, we gotta keep it.
• 47:27
  But you start to see it in this episode, even in the picture of
• 47:30
  this of the group, shot of them at Christmas.
• 47:33
  Like it's such a great picture. Like they look really put
• 47:35
  together and I'm like, but that, you know, I was trying so hard
• 47:40
  to hold. That line and keep it.
• 47:41
  Yeah, I think that's so interesting because it's like,
• 47:44
  they're that look. It was part of what's making it?
• 47:46
  So successful. So I it's so interesting that
• 47:49
  they want to, like, up to their local.
• 47:52
  Right? It's right.
• 47:53
  It's like a blurred line, you know.
• 47:55
  Yeah, it's hard to. It's hard to keep that in
• 47:57
  perspective. And I feel like as a costume
• 47:58
  designer, like that's, it's your, that's my job.
• 48:00
  Like, I gotta hold the line. I got to hold the look and, and
• 48:04
  constantly keep pulling myself back to the original.
• 48:07
  What was the original Vibe? You got to keep it because As
• 48:10
  they do involve and every people evolve and people change and how
• 48:14
  they look. And yeah, some, a great movie is
• 48:17
  really coming out at this time to like, 40 year old virgin
• 48:20
  Jenna Fishers and one of my favorite movies, Blades of
• 48:23
  Glory, such a good movie. Like, they're all like, doing
• 48:26
  such great movies at this time. So that's hard.
• 48:29
  I could I feel for you, so they're having influences all
• 48:32
  over the place. Yeah.
• 48:33
  Yeah. And and different are working
• 48:35
  with different designers and things are really fancy and you
• 48:37
  don't know, I am just trying to hold my mic PLS, where the
• 48:39
  murders Club. Close what character before we
• 48:45
  are done. There's one character.
• 48:47
  We have not yet mentioned and I feel like she really has her
• 48:50
  moment in this episode, which is Mindy kaling's, Kelly Kapoor,
• 48:53
  who's a brilliant? Brilliant character.
• 48:55
  So funny. She just looks so cute.
• 48:59
  So classy, but I still love like, like sparkles are lights
• 49:02
  in her hair. She's singing that Pat Benatar
• 49:06
  song to Ryan. It's just so good.
• 49:08
  What was it? Like, like coming up with the
• 49:10
  costume? Rooms with Mindy who's like, so
• 49:12
  funny. Oh, my gosh.
• 49:14
  I mean, Mindy is like such a like a juggernaut.
• 49:18
  I don't know how to even like explain it.
• 49:20
  Like, who sort of witnessing, her growth was such a beautiful
• 49:26
  blessing, really? Because when she started on the
• 49:28
  show, I like, if you guys look back and you look at those early
• 49:31
  episodes, she is completely different.
• 49:34
  She is like we had talked about her having sort of like this
• 49:37
  immigrant Vibe and kind of being sort of not Not really knowing,
• 49:42
  you know where she was not really having a lot of
• 49:46
  self-confidence, like all of that and she transformed as, as
• 49:51
  she personally found, her voice writing for the show.
• 49:55
  She really wanted to change up her character.
• 49:57
  And the transition was difficult because I was like, whoa, whoa,
• 50:02
  we started out with something completely different and then,
• 50:05
  you know, finding that balance of not wanting her to be like,
• 50:10
  Oh, flashy, so trendy but knowing that, like, she probably
• 50:15
  is like such a mall rat. Like goes to the goes, all the
• 50:17
  stores in the mall shops, it like Express.
• 50:20
  And yes, so she it was we there was a lot of finding who she was
• 50:26
  just at the same time as Mindy herself.
• 50:28
  Was you know, and it's so beautiful to see how she has.
• 50:32
  Just just evolved in such a gorgeous way.
• 50:35
  So I think that she thought really thought about her outfit
• 50:38
  for Christmas and she wanted to become his shiny and kind of a
• 50:42
  little bit office sexy, you know, you know, it can't be too
• 50:46
  over. It has to be kind of
• 50:48
  conservative still but yeah, she's just it comes off so cute.
• 50:54
  It's so funny. I just my favorite scene is when
• 50:57
  she's singing that song to write it so bad and he's just drinking
• 51:01
  his Margarita trying to get through it so good.
• 51:06
  And I mean, you Mindy Kaling is amazing.
• 51:09
  It's me. Fun things of these original
• 51:12
  seasons is like, watching her really come into her own knowing
• 51:15
  that she's writing. So many of these great episodes
• 51:17
  to, it's so fun. Yeah.
• 51:19
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:20
  Well carry. That brings us to the end of
• 51:22
  Benihana Christmas. I have had so much fun talking
• 51:30
  to. This has been so great.
• 51:32
  Oh, wow. Likewise you guys like it's I
• 51:34
  feel so honored to be able to tell these stories and to sort
• 51:37
  of elevate the real art form that cost.
• 51:40
  M design is, it takes so much thought and I really I
• 51:45
  appreciate you seeing it. It's just so beautiful the way
• 51:48
  that you're able to tell stories of just like real everyday.
• 51:51
  Like original authentic people, you know, just like through the
• 51:54
  costumes. It's just that's what makes
• 51:55
  office of Grace, just feel so real.
• 51:57
  And you see yourself in each of these characters, even if it's
• 51:59
  like a little extreme sometimes, you know, like like we all do
• 52:03
  see a little bit of ourselves and Dwight, maybe not like to
• 52:05
  that level but like that's what's so great about your
• 52:08
  costume design work on the show. So you just Make everyone feel
• 52:11
  seen in the show and I just think, you know, you're one of
• 52:14
  the best of the best. So I'm so honored that you
• 52:16
  joined us. Live is so fun.
• 52:18
  That's so sweet. Well, I just really I really
• 52:20
  live by like if you can't see the light in all, you can't see
• 52:23
  the light at all. And so I just feel like in my
• 52:26
  own need to elevate myself. Like I think you really have to,
• 52:30
  you got to look and you have to listen, you have to really see
• 52:34
  who your subject is, and who you're trying to create.
• 52:37
  I think every person is so beautiful and all of Things.
• 52:41
  All the weird reasons they put on this weird outfit.
• 52:43
  Today is so beautiful and that's what makes me want to do these
• 52:48
  projects and what makes me tick. So carry.
• 52:51
  This has been so much fun, but the holidays are all about
• 52:54
  gift-giving and we have a collaboration with you that we
• 52:59
  are Beyond excited about. Yeah, I've been dying to talk
• 53:02
  about this. You have a little something
• 53:05
  special that we're going to be doing for our listeners at the
• 53:07
  podcast. Yeah.
• 53:09
  Yeah. I have a little gift for you.
• 53:10
  Your for your listeners, that I found folded up at my studio.
• 53:16
  It's one of the robes from the Christmas episode of The Office.
• 53:21
  It's the very one that Michael Scott wears.
• 53:23
  It was my wrap gift that year, working on the office, and I've
• 53:28
  never worn it. That is crazy.
• 53:32
  It's crazy. I feel like it's time for it to
• 53:34
  go to somebody who will love it and cherish it and wear it.
• 53:39
  How do you not wear that? Every single day.
• 53:44
  Well, you have to imagine I have a lot of that stuff laying
• 53:47
  around. First.
• 53:49
  I would love to hear a little bit about the charity that you
• 53:52
  pick Carrie. Why did you choose the sunrise
• 53:54
  movement? Well, I thought that we could
• 53:57
  use this as a charitable opportunity and the charity
• 54:00
  that's near and dear to my heart is the sunrise movement.
• 54:04
  They are so passionate about trying to stop climate change
• 54:09
  and create millions of good jobs.
• 54:10
  Jobs in the process. And if we don't have our Earth,
• 54:13
  we've got nothing. So the battle against climate
• 54:18
  change is very near and dear to all of our hearts at the art of
• 54:21
  costume vodcast. So very excited to do this with
• 54:24
  Carrie. So let me explain how this is
• 54:27
  going to work first. You're going to head to the
• 54:29
  sunrise movement dot org and make at least a five dollar
• 54:32
  donation. Once you've made your donation,
• 54:35
  email us your receipt at the art of costume, office holiday at
• 54:39
  gmail.com. For every $5 you donate, your
• 54:42
  name will be entered in a hat and the lovely carry Bennett
• 54:46
  will be drawing a name of our lucky winner of this
• 54:48
  one-of-a-kind piece. That even, Toby flenderson will
• 54:51
  probably be pretty jealous of this opportunity is limited to
• 54:55
  our listeners, in the United States and must be 18 years of
• 54:58
  age, or older. Also, team members of the Arctic
• 55:01
  costume are not eligible. So sorry, Elizabeth donation,
• 55:05
  receipts. Must be emailed to us by
• 55:06
  November 30th 2021 by 12 a.m. Pacific Standard time, we will
• 55:12
  be announcing the name of our winner during our season finale,
• 55:15
  happening in early, December. So stay tuned.
• 55:18
  He can head to the art accosting, blogcast.com or check
• 55:21
  our Instagrams, for all of these details.
• 55:24
  And I will literally pull a name out of a hat.
• 55:27
  And that'll be, that'll lucky winner.
• 55:32
  Thank you all so much in advance for all of your donations, and
• 55:35
  I'm so excited to see the lucky recipient of this robe.
• 55:39
  Send us all the pictures like Cannot wait, and I can't wait to
• 55:42
  have carry back, so we can actually pull these names.
• 55:45
  Yeah, definitely. You got pictures of you wearing
• 55:48
  it required. Carry.
• 55:51
  This is friends. So much fun that we love you.
• 55:53
  Please come back. You just need to be like a
• 55:56
  permanent host of this broadcast with us.
• 56:00
  You guys. Thank you so much for having me.
• 56:02
  I had such a blast. I'm so excited to be passing
• 56:04
  along this robe to someone who will love and appreciate it.
• 56:07
  And you guys are crushing it on this.
• 56:11
  Podcast, I really appreciate you.
• 56:13
  Elevating the art of costume. And so what what can we expect
• 56:17
  from you in the future? Are you working on anything fun
• 56:19
  that you could kind of sneak for us?
• 56:21
  Or maybe just? Oh, I just I just finished.
• 56:27
  It's coming out. I think, November 4th the reboot
• 56:29
  of Head of the Class. We'll see.
• 56:34
  That's my first show back after pandemic world.
• 56:37
  I also have a really fun thing. That's out right now.
• 56:40
  That was I thought it was never going to have the light of day,
• 56:43
  because it was a Quimby and quippy, you know, sadly went
• 56:46
  under due to the pandemic. It's called Maple worth murders
• 56:50
  and it's now it's on Roku now, which is so great.
• 56:54
  So I hope it'll have a good see the light of day because it's
• 56:57
  really campy. It has most of the stars from
• 57:01
  Saturday Night Live and it's written.
• 57:03
  By Paul lapel who is one of the writers.
• 57:05
  One of the main writers of Saturday Night Live.
• 57:07
  It's super weird, super campy. And And you can see it now on
• 57:12
  Roku. That's so exciting.
• 57:14
  I had actually I'd seen the previews for that and was like,
• 57:17
  oh should I get quippy? And then it just disappeared.
• 57:20
  And I was like, oh my gosh, I can't see that, then it just
• 57:23
  disappeared. Right?
• 57:24
  I know. Such a bummer.
• 57:26
  Yeah. So a lot of those quippy content
• 57:28
  got bought by Roku. So there you go.
• 57:30
  You can find it on, their gotta go.
• 57:32
  Look at row, cunha got to go. Look at these Maple worth
• 57:34
  murders. Please come back.
• 57:38
  Anytime. We love you.
• 57:40
  This is So fun. Thanks.
• 57:42
  Gary. Can't wait.
• 57:43
  Thanks Spencer.
• 58:10
  Wasn't. That amazing that was so much
• 58:12
  fun. I love carries so much.
• 58:15
  This. Entire episode is great.
• 58:17
  I could talk about the office forever and ever forever and
• 58:20
  ever. I feel like there are just so
• 58:22
  many more stories. We're going to have to have her
• 58:24
  back. Yeah.
• 58:25
  I really think that she should just be a permanent co-host.
• 58:28
  We should just do like an office costume podcast.
• 58:32
  I mean if we have the time maybe one day, I'm really getting into
• 58:39
  the holiday spirit. Over here.
• 58:41
  I know me too. Are, are you ready for maybe
• 58:44
  like another fun, funny holiday movie?
• 58:49
  I Am. What are we watching?
• 58:50
  Next, Spencer? We are watching the Netflix.
• 58:55
  Original holidays with Kristin Chenoweth Kristin.
• 59:00
  Chenoweth. It's gonna be real good.
• 59:08
  I love this movie. I cannot wait to watch it.
• 59:10
  It so much fun. So many good costumes.
• 59:15
  Everybody have a wonderful week and we will see you for Holiday
• 59:20
  next Tuesday. Our two costume podcasts is
• 59:26
  hosted by Elizabeth Joy, glass, and Spencer Williams produced by
• 59:29
  Elizabeth Joy, glass with associate producer, Spencer
• 59:32
  Williams or sound design and Engineering is done by Daniel
• 59:35
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• 59:37
  art of costume pod or visit. The art accosting block,
• 59:40
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• 59:43
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• 59:47
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• 59:50
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