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- 0:00Hello there and welcome back to Hydroponics Daily. I mentioned in a previous
- 0:04post about chimeras and how they can be one of the ways variegated plants can arise.
- 0:11However, I said there are lots more interesting examples of chimeras or chimeras
- 0:16in horticulture and I just wanted to do an episode all about them.
- 0:20And I thought this would be a good time to do it because i
- 0:23like to do a interesting episode
- 0:27about cultivation of plants and then do
- 0:30one about problems or challenges things like that or techniques
- 0:33just to split it up because if it was just like pests diseases problems physiological
- 0:39disorders or equipment equipment equipment it would get quite dull so let's
- 0:44mix it up and have an interesting one about how these obscure plants arise and
- 0:50some of examples of them. I've got three really good examples.
- 0:53So he said that a chimera is named after the Greek mythological monster of the
- 0:59same name that possessed the head of a lion and the body of a goat and the tail of a dragon.
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- 1:23tell from that that this isn't a fake ai
- 1:26voice that's just reading a script from a
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- 1:33can keep in nonsense like that so i said chimeras they
- 1:36are plants that are actually separate genetic materials
- 1:39that have been mixed together and they keep their
- 1:42genetic integrity in the individual cells but different
- 1:45cell lines create them really strange
- 1:48looks so he said the chimera you know a a
- 1:52head of a lion a body of a goat a tail of a
- 1:55dragon and a hypothetical chimera plant
- 1:58would have the flowers of a tomato the
- 2:02roots of a potato and the stems of
- 2:05deadly nightshade there's an example keeping the
- 2:07genetics the same but different cell lines different cell structures
- 2:10so they are very very rare and
- 2:14they occur on fortuitous occasions in plants
- 2:18they are not something you can pre-program there's not
- 2:20something you can genetically engineer if you could come
- 2:23up with a way of doing this you would be probably you'd be a rock star in horticulture
- 2:28and plant science in general and you would earn a shed load of money because
- 2:32you'd be able to produce so many wild and wacky different ornamental and edible
- 2:36plants they normally form when a graft union so when you try to graft a plant,
- 2:41put a scion on top of a rootstock.
- 2:44That somehow the cells get mixed up in the graft union and then a stem appears
- 2:51that has got a mix of both the rootstock and the scion cell lines.
- 2:55So it might be the xylem and the phloem are from the rootstock and the bark
- 3:02is from some of the top bit.
- 3:05And then you can propagate them from cuttings. Obviously, you can't propagate
- 3:09them from seeds because they just go back to one single cell line.
- 3:12And the mixed plant all together
- 3:15is called a chimera they're normally they
- 3:18can occur in animals and you can get little rats and
- 3:21mice that have got black fur and
- 3:24white fur mixed together and that's
- 3:26because they're they are like twins that have
- 3:29been mixed together one black head one white head and
- 3:32it can even happen in humans and you can have problems where
- 3:36one of the sort of like the
- 3:39twin organ has issues so they're
- 3:41normally deleterious in animals and humans but in plants they
- 3:44can be wacky just like all mutants can like you
- 3:47know mutants in horticulture they can be prized as unusual this
- 3:51is not a mutation but it is it is a developmental disorder
- 3:56should we say they're not happening as it should be so you
- 3:59you can call it a disorder the first report of a graph chimera came in 1674
- 4:05and that's crazy because that is before that predates any knowledge of genetics
- 4:11and plant breeding 1674 so that's way before mendelew the polish monk who discovered.
- 4:19The way genes segregated and things like that. So Pietro Nati,
- 4:23he was an Italian scientist and the director of Pisa Botanical Gardens.
- 4:28Pisa Botanical Gardens is the oldest botanical gardens in the world, I believe.
- 4:32I'm not reading that from a script from memory, so it might be wrong,
- 4:35but I'd love to go to Pisa Botanical Gardens. Most people, when they go to Pisa,
- 4:38they want to go and see the Leaning Tower.
- 4:40I'd rather go to the Botanical Gardens and see where Pietro Nati
- 4:43first discovered a remarkable chimera which
- 4:46was a well not cross you don't say cross because
- 4:49it's it's not a cross it's a chimera it's
- 4:52not hybridization it was a this chimera had
- 4:55sour orange cells and citron cells
- 4:59so a cross between two different citrus species
- 5:03and that would be you know
- 5:06quite difficult to note because they're both
- 5:09citrus but the most famous example of a chimera that
- 5:12resulted from a graph union is called adam's laburnum so if you know laburnum
- 5:17you know they have bright yellow flowers this plant is a combination of laburnum
- 5:21anogyroides and a broom and brooms are they're both in the bean family or the
- 5:28yeah the bean family the fabaceae.
- 5:31But these are in completely different these are completely different
- 5:34species but also in completely different genuses genera
- 5:38so laburnum anagronoides and chymositis
- 5:42purpurus and purpureus so that's purple one's got purple flowers one's got yellow
- 5:49flowers and it's because it's still essentially two species joined together
- 5:52they cannot have conventionally scientific species names instead adams laburnum
- 5:57it has a little plus before the the genus name so it's plus.
- 6:02Laburnocytosis ademii and the plus indicates its unusual origin and the fact
- 6:09that the graph chimera are still two distinct species is also the reason scientists
- 6:14refrain from using other guarding terms for them like mosaic hybrids mosaic
- 6:19hybrid sounds like it's sort of like a virus,
- 6:23there's a there's a number of different ways of writing the species as well
- 6:26so the majority of the reason why Adam's laburnum
- 6:29is so interesting because for the majority of the branches the
- 6:32laburnum is the dominant influence but the
- 6:35epidermis the skin is composed of cells of
- 6:38the broom so it's easy to
- 6:41spot when it's a flower because the flowers of both species form on the plant
- 6:46and so you can have yellow and purple flowers on the one plant and laburnums
- 6:53have this mass of yellow flowers normally so you get a mass of yellow and purple
- 6:57flowers so that's really interesting.
- 7:00Another chimera, the results from graph union, is the Dalimor's chestnut,
- 7:05and that's called Aesculus plus domestica.
- 7:10And if you see these written down, these scientific names, you'll notice that the plus sign,
- 7:14indicating that it's a chimera, is in the middle between the genus and the species,
- 7:18whereas in Adam's laburnum, it's before the genus name, so you know that that
- 7:23is an intergeneric chimera, whereas this one.
- 7:26Dalimor's chestnut, is a chimera
- 7:29between two chestnut species so it's a
- 7:31less obvious graph chimera as the species providing the
- 7:35tissues in both are chestnuts what can
- 7:38you say about this this is the the chimera is a fusion
- 7:41of cells from the yellow buckeye aesculus flavor
- 7:44and horse chestnut i think aesculus buckeyes
- 7:48are there from like ohio and places like that i'm pretty
- 7:51certain isn't one of their universities named
- 7:53the buckeyes and then horse chestnut i think
- 7:57that is from the balkans so completely different
- 8:00geographically it was discovered in kent in the uk
- 8:03in 1955 by william dallymore a retired director of kew gardens the largest botanical
- 8:10gardens in the world and the tree is characterized by having misshapen crinkly
- 8:15leaves and flowers that appear later than the common horse chestnut there are
- 8:20three different types of Dalimor's chestnut.
- 8:23Despite the unusual ornamental features, they are very rare in cultivation.
- 8:27So if you can find a Dalimor's chestnut and you're doing really well,
- 8:30take a cutting if you can and try and propagate it because it's a very unusual plant.
- 8:36And then a third graph Chimera that can be grown in gardens is a fusion of cells from a hawthorn.
- 8:42So if you know what hawthorn
- 8:45is i'm not going to describe it i can't describe a hawthorn flowers it
- 8:49it goes into leaf really early it's got thorns on it it's also called mayflower
- 8:55and where i live they've got purple flowers but most places they've got white
- 8:59flowers because i live in the midlands of the uk and the midlands hawthorn has
- 9:03got pink flowers and then this graph camera is a cross between hawthorn and meddler.
- 9:08And meddlers are popular down in Kent, near Dover, on the way to France.
- 9:12Meddlers are unusual because it's the only fruit that you have to rot before you eat it.
- 9:19So you allow them to rot before you eat them.
- 9:21And the only place you used to be able to buy them outside of Kent was Harrods
- 9:27in London because they were so difficult to get and so expensive to get in this rotted state.
- 9:34So the name for this graft chimaera is
- 9:37plus cratagomysepolis which
- 9:42means it's an intergeneric chimaera so very unusual so although these are two
- 9:47separate genera they do appear closely related with them also forming a hybrid
- 9:51so you can get as well as the chimaera you can get a hybrid so this one the
- 9:57hybrid would have an x on the scientific name if i haven't lost you all way before this.
- 10:01So that would be X-Crotego mysipolis. So you can get a hybrid of Medlar and
- 10:06Hawthorne and you can get a Chimera.
- 10:09Unfortunately, both the Chimera and the hybrid are rarely cultivated and possibly
- 10:13because the fruit needs bletting, rotting.
- 10:17Bletting is a term for the controlled rotting of fruit and that removes the
- 10:22sort of instringency of the fruit,
- 10:25makes it much more sweeter and the idea of eating
- 10:28partially rotted fruits is not a feature that appeals to many people i've got
- 10:31medley in my garden and i have never eaten it because it's either rock solid
- 10:38or they've rotted to the point where they just look disgusting so i just grow
- 10:42it for its nice flowers and it's a really good pollinator.
- 10:46So that's graph chimeras. They are very rare. They would be exceedingly difficult
- 10:50to attempt to purposely grow, but you can actually create them.
- 10:55So one simple graph chimera that can be achieved is by taking the eye out of
- 11:01a red potato chuba and placing it in the hole made by a white potato chuba that has had the eye removed.
- 11:08You then need to remove the other white eyes from the potato and plant as you
- 11:14would any other sea potato.
- 11:15The resulting plant will produce red, white and blotched and pink potatoes.
- 11:21So that is one graph chimeria you could do in your hydroponic grow today.
- 11:27Take a white potato variety, get an eye off a red potato variety and insert
- 11:34it into where there was an eye on a white potato.
- 11:38Take all the other eyes off that potato, that sea potato and stick
- 11:42it in the ground and grow it and you'll get blotched and pink and mixed and
- 11:47swirled potatoes colored that'd be strange wouldn't it so you could achieve
- 11:52that if you think if you can think of any other chimeras that you would like
- 11:56in an ideal world or other examples of chimeras.
- 12:00Or ways you think you might be able to create them artificially then please
- 12:05get in touch i'm more than happy to do a follow-up episode.
- 12:09A number of chimeras result from mutations in cells in the apical buds of plants
- 12:14and there you can get like a mutant and the wild type growing together.
- 12:20So there they're not mixes of two different genetic materials.
- 12:24Well they are, but one is just a mutant and a non-mutant.
- 12:28So this is where the one cell gets mutated and then gets propagated vegetatively
- 12:33so two good examples of that are the fern leaf beech,
- 12:38and the thornless blackberry. The fernleaf beech produce crinkle leaves due
- 12:42to genetic differences in the epidermal cells.
- 12:45If the bark is damaged, stems without the epidermal cells would grow out and
- 12:50thus the new stems bear normal classical beech leaves.
- 12:54These normal stems then need to
- 12:56be pruned off to maintain the tree in its chimeric and ornamental state.
- 13:01And the thornless blackberry or cori thornless
- 13:05is also a result of mutations in the epidermal cells
- 13:08and this mutation prevents thorns developing so
- 13:12that would be quite nice a thornless blackberry much easier
- 13:15to harvest you grow a crop that's got thorns on
- 13:18it like raspberries rose hips
- 13:21what else try to think of horned thorned
- 13:25crops there are quite a few you could remove them using
- 13:29using this but like the the fern
- 13:33leaf beach the mutation is fairly unstable and needs
- 13:36to be enforced regularly by pruning the thorn stems that
- 13:39arise so they're the the
- 13:41most common chimeras graph chimeras and bud
- 13:45mutation chimeras as i
- 13:48mentioned a couple of days ago when it comes to mutations in
- 13:51apical buds leading to chimera chimeras it's normally
- 13:54a variegated plant that's the most common type of
- 13:57variegation that is produced and
- 14:00propagated for ornamental purposes so hollies
- 14:04are a great example lots of the variegated hollies are chimeras
- 14:08and can't be propagated through the seeds of the hollies and wygela and cornice
- 14:15cornice dogwood they're prone to reversion as well so hollies are stable whereas
- 14:20wygela and cornice they're prone to reversion give you my two two of my best
- 14:25horticultural jokes now.
- 14:26How do you identify a dogwood? By its bark?
- 14:30What's special about its bark? It's rough. Yeah, cornice, the dogwood.
- 14:35Two of my worst jokes, or my best jokes, depending on what you think.
- 14:38And when we say reversion, it's the loss of the mutated cells and the reappearance of the wild types.
- 14:44They just overtake them because they're growing faster. They're photosynthesizing.
- 14:47So reversion is very common in lots of chimeras and mutants and variegated plants.
- 14:53So you need to remove it to keep the ornamental features
- 14:57of your chimeras normally when it's food crops
- 15:00we think of slower growth of variegated
- 15:03or chimera plants as being a disadvantage but if
- 15:06you're growing if you've got ornamental plants like buddlia or rhododendron
- 15:09you might actually want them to be slower growing
- 15:13so you can get variegated forms of buddlia that would grow far far
- 15:16slower you can even get variegated japanese
- 15:19knotweed which is available but massively
- 15:22invasive and problematic even variegated japanese
- 15:26knotweed would be a massive issue i don't know about in america but
- 15:29in the uk it's a highly invasive weed you can't
- 15:32get a loan from the bank a mortgage if your house if
- 15:34a house has got japanese knotweed and it's even a massive weed in japan people
- 15:40say oh it's not a weed in japan we must go and study why it's not a weed in
- 15:43japan i've been to japan and i know that japanese knotweed is a massive problem
- 15:46over there so don't listen to people who say that so yeah and you and you can
- 15:50get reversion in slow-growing plants, slow-growing conifers and things like that.
- 15:54So what else can we say? While graph chimeras are plants containing a mixture
- 15:58of cells from different species, it was found in 2014 that the cells of the
- 16:04graph union of some plants can swap genetic code and even hybridise.
- 16:08So classical science says that can't happen, but in 2014 it was found that they
- 16:14can actually swap genes and sort of do full hybridisation or certainly partial hybridisation.
- 16:20Now, those hybrid cells would normally remain in the graft union and do not
- 16:25form the new plant because they just stay there.
- 16:28They're not being propagated. They're not in the apical meristems that produces
- 16:32the bigger stem and more and more leaves and things like that.
- 16:35But scientists from the Maxplant Institute in Germany
- 16:38found that they can extract the hybrid cells and grow
- 16:42them using micropropagation techniques to produce new hybrids that
- 16:45before would not have been possible by conventional interbreeding using
- 16:50flowering so if you've ever thought of a hybrid and
- 16:53you've read that they these plants can't be hybridized even
- 16:57though even though even though they are
- 17:00closely related then maybe you could try
- 17:03and graft them and then extract the cells from
- 17:06the graft union micro propagate them and you've
- 17:09got a hybrid plant wow if you're
- 17:13a top level micro propagator if you're
- 17:16a keen breeder then i've saved some
- 17:19really juicy good stuff to the end of this episode if
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