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LOLO on Her New Album, Going Viral & Getting Water Thrown at Her Live | Delulu with Ryan Lu #304 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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God forbid a girl performs in LA.
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God forbid a girl puts out her feelings like that's all I'm
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feeling right now. He threw a drink on me and it
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went right in between me and my guitar player.
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And in my delusion, I was like, oh, a drink just came on stage
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and it was really hot. And I was like, oh, was he
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cooling me down, trying to cool me down 'cause he thinks I'm
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like hot. Or maybe he thinks I'm like good
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looking. That's that was my first
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looking. That's the.
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I was like, oh, I'm, does he think I'm hot?
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So he's like cooling me down, Like, like he's kidding on me.
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Yeah. Hello Lulu Lulu's and welcome
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back to Delulu with Ryan Liu. Today's guesty can turn
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heartbreak into fucking bangers and I'm so excited to talk to
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her about all of that and get into the Lolo lore lore.
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And our. Guest is Lolo.
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Hi, thank you so much for being here.
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Thank. You so much for having me.
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I love your podcast. Oh my God, thank you.
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I'm so excited to have you. So for all the delulus out there
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who watched Leah Kate's episode, Leah actually called Lolo on the
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show. She didn't answer, but now she
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is here. Because I was filming a music
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video, I had a good excuse. OK, good excuse.
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Not good enough for Leah. But no, it actually wasn't good
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enough. It's OK, you're, you're now.
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So we're going to do all the catching up that, you know, we
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missed out on on Leah's episode. But how are you?
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I'm so good. I'm in the midst of this
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craziness. Grammy week right now.
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Yeah, which is crazy. Lots going on, lots of like
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events and stuff, but it's. So fun.
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Do you like going to events? I do.
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It's just like a lot of it's just a lot.
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And I recently had vocal cord surgery.
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Yeah, because I had a vocal polyp, so I'm just getting into
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talking again. So it's like I just became
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allowed to speak again and now it's like I'm going to like 3
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events a day and there's so much speaking.
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Yeah, I don't know. No, now I'm on a podcast.
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I'm really like not taking it slow but here we go.
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OK, well, we can, we can talk, you know, light and low.
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For Oh no, don't worry, like this is my new voice up here
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because my natural voice used to be like down here.
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Your new voice. But my new voice is here.
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How? Do you feel about your new
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voice? I like it.
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I think that people, yeah, well, I have to change it.
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Like if I'm not paying attention and like my mom calls, I could
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like go back to down here. But people that don't know me
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think it sounds normal, which is good.
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Yeah. I wouldn't want people to be
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like, yeah, why are you sounding like that?
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So this is, this is how I'm supposed to sound.
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So. So are you like feeling more
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familiar with it now? Like how long has it been since
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you? Developed.
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Yeah, yeah. Like I've been starting to try
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to talk since like the beginning of January.
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So yeah, OK, it's it's relatively new, but also like
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comfy now. Yeah, good.
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I mean, like you said, I totally didn't clock that at all.
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And now we're going to do a little yapping on here.
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Yeah. OK, well, I want to get into all
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of the Lolo lower lore. So where is Lolo from?
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How did you get to LA? What's going on?
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So lolo, me, I am from Toronto. OK, Yeah, I first came to LA for
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like a big chunk of time after I signed to APG for publishing.
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Thank you. Which was in 2020 at the time.
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Well, it, I signed in Christmas 2020, but it was like peak
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COVID. My mom's like there's no chance
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you are flying to LA right now. And it was like, you know, it
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was just, it was like a like peak like we were still washing
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our groceries. I don't know if you guys were
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ever doing that in LA, but like it was like it was really
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intense in Canada. Like my hair actually grew down
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to my ass because you couldn't get a haircut, couldn't get your
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nails done. My.
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Hair was so wild in the pandemic.
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Too. Yeah, it was crazy.
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So then I ended up finally going in April of 2021, right?
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It lightened up because it lightened up.
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And at that point, you guys had the vaccine and we didn't.
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And my mom was like, go, go get the vaccine.
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I remember I took a picture of my vaccine card and everyone was
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like, whoa, you have a vaccine card like from Canada?
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Because I think our Prime Minister just like, forgot to
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order it or something like, well, yeah, it's no big.
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Deal no. Big deal though, but I got it.
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I felt really cool. But yeah, then I came to Lai was
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supposed to just be for two weeks, but then I just like, I
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loved it and I ended up staying for three months, Yeah.
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And then I was like, okay, I need to.
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You came to sign. Here half the time, yeah, I
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signed in my room on Zoom. Got it.
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But I came because APG was like, you need to start doing sessions
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and stuff we're gonna put you in songwriting sessions, right?
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And then I just loved it so much.
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And there was so much going on. I was meeting so many other
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songwriters, producer, I was working on my own artist
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projects, so doing the circuit. And so I was like, I have to be
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here. And then I didn't end up
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actually going home until I got my first tour.
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And then I was like, I have to go home to rehearse.
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So that was the only reason. I How crazy.
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So you came out to LA and then you ended up staying?
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Yeah, pretty much. I still go back and forth.
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Yeah, you were just there, right?
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I was just there, Yeah, I did my surgery and everything there
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because free healthcare. No.
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OK, so no vaccine at the time, but free no?
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Vaccine free healthcare, it's like, you know, you pick and
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choose, right? Yeah, so.
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OK that's super cool. Wait so did you sign before like
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blowing up on TikTok or was it like happening?
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At the same time, yeah, that's actually kind of what happened.
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So basically I was on, I'm so dumb because I was on TikTok
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literally a year before, yeah, when it first came out or when
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it first became TikTok, right. And I put up, I remember I put
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up 1 singing video, but I was like, and I right away got a lot
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of likes and I was like, oh, what is this?
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And no one's really using it. And I deleted the video and the
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app. I don't know.
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I don't know. And then by the time it was
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popping again, it was more popular.
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So for dancing and stuff. So start dancing on it.
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Not really getting a lot of views.
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I'm a terrible dancer. Same.
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You can scroll. My fans always will.
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They'll do memes with me, dance like the old videos.
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It's so embarrassing. Yeah, absolutely.
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And then I started singing because that trend of like, hey
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there, Delilah, hey, it's Delilah.
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Like from the other point of view I.
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Don't remember that trend. I remember that.
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One, yeah. So I was like, oh, I'll do this.
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And then instead of like 200 views, I got right away, like
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200,000 and I was like, oh, I guess I should be singing on
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this thing, not dancing. And then I realized there's tons
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of different songs that I could switch the point of view from
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and make it really depressing, which is kind of my favorite
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thing to write. We know.
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Yeah, Yeah. And then I guess the head of ABG
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saw my videos. And I conveniently also.
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I'm a perfectionist and I made them rhyme and be phonetically
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perfect with the original, but it was the other point of view
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and. That detail Orient like being
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that detail oriented is good though.
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And then so I ended up. Because that's a really big
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skill as a songwriter, like, you know what I mean?
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Like being able to pay attention to.
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That a lot of times, like I know a lot of songwriters are totally
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against this, but a lot of times at APG they kind of like just
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have like beats and like a melody already done, but it's
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gibberish. And they just want you to put
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like, they're like, this melody is already ahead, but just write
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the lyric but don't change the the syllables.
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And so I guess they saw me doing that and they were like, oh, she
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can do this. Interesting.
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So yeah, I signed there and I was like, literally the best
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thing. I love APG.
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Yeah. It's given me so many
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opportunities, so. Is that mainly how you write
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like you when they'll they'll give you a track that's like top
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line and you do the lyrics then for when they're presenting to
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me? When they're presenting it to me
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like that, yeah, I'm like one of their lyric people and they have
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like melody people too. But like, obviously I do both.
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It's not my favorite way to write because I find it a little
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like uninspiring. Sometimes like, I like you kind
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of like. Write a song from scratch.
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Yeah, so that's how I prefer to write.
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But like it's good. Like when I'm in Toronto and
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stuff and I can't be in sessions and they just send me tracks and
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I'm. Like I can just.
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Do this in my room, yeah. 100%, That's super cool.
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Congratulations. Yeah.
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And you've been with them since then, too.
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This was like 2020 then. Yeah.
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Oh my gosh. And really quick shout out to my
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publicist Charlie's boyfriend. He just signed up APG.
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Shout out, Leo. Yeah.
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Congrats to all of you. Wait, that's so awesome.
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And then you end up just staying in LA.
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Yeah, back and forth. But like, yeah.
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So then like, did you know you always wanted to be an artist?
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Like growing up, that's something you wanted to do
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because then, you know, you were on TikTok and you were doing the
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dancing thing. Yeah, I don't know why I was
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doing that. Like I think we.
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All were. I was also dancing on TikTok in
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20 and 20. Oh my God.
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Everyone wanted to be like the Demilios, yeah.
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I did too yeah. No one scrolled back on my
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TikTok please. No.
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Yeah, I always wanted to be. Well, my dream used to be to be
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on Broadway. Really.
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Yeah. I was like a musical theater.
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Well, when I was a kid, my grandfather showed me all, like
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the Shirley Temple videos. Yeah.
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And my natural hair is really curly and it was short, so I
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literally looked like Shirley Temple slash Little Orphan
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Annie. Yeah, but with.
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Brown like cast me. Yeah, like cast me.
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And so I wanted to be Shirley Temple and I was obsessed with
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the videos and I told my mom put me in tap dancing classes,
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acting classes and singing. And then so I was doing all that
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and I really wanted to be musical theater.
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But then I, I picked up guitar actually because my sister, I
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was away at sleepover camp and my sister learned guitar in like
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a month. And I was like, what the fuck?
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She learned it so fast. She's a prodigy.
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If she could do that, I can do that.
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And I was a little competitive with her.
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And then so I started guitar. And then my guitar teacher was
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like, you should write songs. And I was like, absolutely not.
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That would be insane really. The thought of other people
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hearing my deep, dark, innermost thoughts.
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I was like. And what we are now.
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No, it's like too much now. I'm an overshare.
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Now you're like, actually I should not be talking.
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About this now I'm like a chronic overshare and it's crazy
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I think about like little me would be so embarrassed of me
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that's. What makes you a great artist
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though? Yeah, 100%.
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I think it's like the only way to do it A.
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Million percent I completely. Agree.
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That's why I started. I wrote one song and I loved it
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and I was like that moment. I literally remember where I was
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sitting on my bed in my old house and I was like, fuck
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Broadway. I want to be, I want to be a, a
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songwriter and a like, I want to be an artist.
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And thank God, because I don't think I have the stamina for
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Broadway. Like, well, you know what, I
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feel like you have a lot of like Broadway influence in your art.
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Anyways, in my. Art.
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Movie like influence and references and actually, yeah,
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I'm talking like right now you do.
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So it's kind of like you are doing it.
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Exactly, I feel. Like that's what.
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I'm on your turn. That's what I I'm a theatre kid
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at heart like and that I feel like is where like you.
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Probably love performing then. Yeah, Oh my God, I love
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performing and my whole like set of my first headline tour, I was
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so excited to put that together because I, you could really tell
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I'm a theatre kid when you watch my show, like.
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Oh yeah, it's. Like a whole.
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Thing it's like a world so I'm excited to see what you're going
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to do with the upcoming tour. We'll talk about it but like you
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really do take it there. Thank you.
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That's super cool. And the influences that you have
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in your music, like I feel like, yeah, we can tell, like you are
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into the theatrics of it and like, you know, the movies and
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everything. But I think when it comes to
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performing, do you ever feel like you like performing more
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than making the music, being in the studio writing?
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Like what do you like better? It's so funny because whenever
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I'm performing, I'm always like, Oh my God, I love this so much
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better. Like this is like, this is the
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fucking. This is the time to be alive.
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Like I love this. And then when I'm writing and
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making my album, I'm always like, God, the thought of going
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on tour right now, like, I love doing this.
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I love being in the studio. So.
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So you love both? Yeah, I love both.
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Literally during COVID when I was first starting to write,
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yeah, I was getting a lot of good opportunities and stuff.
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And I was like, maybe I'll just be a songwriter.
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Like maybe I won't be an artist. Like, And I thought about not
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being an artist and just going like gun ho into being a
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songwriter. Because sometimes I feel like,
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because I do both for other artists and for myself.
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And sometimes I feel like if I just put all my energy into
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being an artist, maybe I'd be further in my career.
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And then sometimes I think maybe if I just put all my my energy
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into being a songwriter, then I'd be further in that.
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And it's, it's really hard to balance the 2 for sure.
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But at the time, yeah, I was like, oh, maybe I'll just be a
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songwriter. But then I got the opportunity
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to go my first tour ever. And then again, I was on stage
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and I was like, this is amazing. Like, fuck being just a
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songwriter. I need to be a performer.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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So I I go back and forth. I love both equally.
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Between being a songwriter, being an artist, where?
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Which one would you rather do right now?
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Like you can only do 1. Right now I'm in my artist mode
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for sure. I think when I first came.
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Here I had a girl wants to be an artist.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm in my artist mode.
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Yeah. And it's funny because I know
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that I'm like giving less time to doing songwriting and stuff.
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And sometimes my publisher gets mad at me.
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I can tell. But enough for them.
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I'm like, you know what? Like you're only young and hot.
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Once I was like, I was like, I'll be a songwriter like after
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like there's but I feel like, which is a sad reality, but I
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feel like there's a time to be an artist and like, obviously
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when you're older, you can be an artist.
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But like, I feel like while I'm young, I want to be an artist
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now. And then I could songwriting.
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Like I'm never going to not be able to songwrite.
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But you know what, maybe one day I'm going to like want to have a
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baby and like not want to travel on a tour bus.
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Yeah. So that's why I'm kind of just
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like, I'm going to focus on being an artist now.
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You know what I always tell myself is like right now, while
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I'm in my 20s, I want to be in front of a camera.
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I want to be performing. But then when I'm in my 30s or
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40s or whatever, like then I would want to do more behind the
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scenes stuff, you know, like more producing things or like
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writing and whatever. Like when I'm tired of like
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being in front of the lights, that's when I would want to do
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it. And you're so right about like
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being young and hot, like now, because I talk about with my
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friends all the time, especially with women in music and pop
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music. Like it sucks, but there's so
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much ageism. It's so fucked.
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Up it's terrible. It's terrible.
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And like, if you aren't like, looking like, I don't know, a
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brand new fucking baby or whatever, it's just like, it's
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so much harder to get off there. Yeah, I think you're doing the
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right thing right now too. And you can songwrite whenever
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as well. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 100%.
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Yeah, there's no rush for that. So now when you're writing for
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other artists, what are some songs that you've had cuts for?
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The songs I get, well, I've written for Maggie Lindemann.
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Oh yeah, that's what I song for. Yeah, that's how I got her on my
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song, because I was like writing with her and then became friends
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with her. I've written a couple songs for
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Ava Max. Wait, really?
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Yeah. Do I know any?
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Spot of fake, which is one of, like, the new ones, Yeah.
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And then skin in the game and these are all new ones.
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Yeah. And what was the other one?
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Oh, world's smallest violin. OK, OK.
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All from. The new album.
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All from the new album, Yeah. That's awesome.
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Yeah, thank you. And then this other song that
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went like #1 on alternative radio a couple years ago called
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Runaway to Mars by Talk, which I feel like if you heard it, you
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would know it. But it's a really like the genre
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I listen to. But like, that's so sad.
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You would like I'll I'll play it for you really, OK.
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OK. I'm excited.
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Is it like? Everyone likes it.
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Pardon. Is it like your music?
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It's like a it's a sad, depressing song.
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I'm gonna love it then. Yeah, OK.
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I love that. Yeah, yeah.
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But it did really well. It got like it's over 100
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million streams like. Yeah, that's crazy.
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I'm gagged. Yeah, and it was on the radio.
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It was #1 on alternative radio here in the state.
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Damn. That's why she.
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Was like, let's get you back. Every yeah, like get back in.
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No, I I do love it and I'm excited for myself to have like
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a moment like that because I'm manifesting.
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We're manifesting and absolutely.
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And I feel like, honestly, it's already coming.
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Yeah. This album's like just getting
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started. Yeah.
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Well, before we get into your next album, I want to talk a
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little bit about your debut, Falling for Robots and Wishing I
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Was 1. So you've talked about this
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being a concept album. Can you explain that and walk us
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through that? Yeah, well, so basically the
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concept of falling for robots and wishing I was one, basically
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every song on the album is either about falling for robots
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or wishing I was one, which is basically like falling for
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people who I felt like were emotionally numb or like, you
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know, just like fucking assholes, like just people that
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didn't care, I guess. Oops, sorry.
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I guess like avoidance and like, you know, that whole thing.
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And then at the same time being like, you know, fuck them for
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being like that, but at the same time being like, I wish I could
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be like that, which I'm so emotional.
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I feel so much to the point where sometimes it's like a
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sometimes I'm like, why am I feeling so much?
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And maybe I'm overly sensitive and, you know, I wish I wasn't
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like that. Yeah, I so relate to that.
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Yeah, it's crazy. I also feel like I used to feel
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that way too. I was like, I feel like I'd
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rather feel nothing, you know, being the robot versus like,
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feeling everything intensely because I'm so emotional and I'm
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like, so like, you know, everything's like, dramatic to
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me. Yeah, me too.
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I feel like we're the same. We are literally and I.
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I feel that. We'll get into that too, because
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I you have other songs where I'm like, oh, you're me.
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Yeah. But that's what makes you a
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great artist. Like we said earlier, like I
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think feeling things and feeling them, like really like
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confidently in being bold in and also sharing that that's such a
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superpower. Yeah, I sometimes I get in
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trouble for it, but. Me too girl Oh my God yeah I'm
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also like a big over sharer so like yeah I honestly I think I
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say way too much all the time and I always.
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Me too. I was And then the next morning
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you're like. Oh my God, every day I wake up
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in the morning like what did I do or say?
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Why did I say, Oh my God, is that like, is that it?
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Was that crazy? Is that person gonna think I'm
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crazy? Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly. And you know what?
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You know what I just started doing?
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I just started owning it. I was like, you know what?
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Fuck it. Like I'm crazy, I'm crazy,
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whatever. Yeah.
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Like it is what it is. Yeah, at least we're not boring.
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That's one of my lyrics. No way.
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Yeah. And one of my songs, I said in
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my pre chorus, I said call me. I said call me crazy.
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Just not boring. There.
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You go OK, shout out glimpse. Thank you.
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Oh my God, that's made me for as long.
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So tell us about making this debut album then.
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You and the Tin Man. You and the Tin Man.
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That was the first song that I wrote for the album, but I
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didn't know at the time that it was for the album.
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At the time I was writing for my EP Overkill, I think.
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Or no Debbie Downer. Or maybe Overkill.
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Actually, yeah. At the time I was writing for my
17:19
EP Overkill My my first EP with Hopeless Records, and I wrote
17:23
that song and I was looking for just like a ballad to be at the
17:26
end of, you know, at the end of the EP.
17:28
I always like when it ends with like a sad song.
17:30
Talking to. Yeah, like, you know, like Green
17:32
Day ends with time of your life. Like you love Green Day.
17:35
Yeah. So huge influence.
17:36
Yeah. But a lot of people do that and
17:39
I love it. Me too.
17:41
But yeah, so I wrote that and I was like, I'm not just throwing
17:43
this song like at the end of my EPI feel like it's like we're.
17:47
Gonna do this album. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
17:49
I was like, it's a whole world. Like I just felt like I wasn't
17:52
ready to put it out yet. And so I kind of like put it in
17:55
my back pocket. Continued writing.
17:57
You know, Special. Yeah, put that EP out.
17:59
Then I had another EP and I always kind of had you and the
18:01
Tin Man in my back pocket. Then about like a year later,
18:05
maybe even a year and a half or two years, I forget, but I wrote
18:08
the song Wish I Was a Robot about feeling things too much
18:12
and worrying and anxiety and all this stuff.
18:14
And I was like, oh, this is kind of funny.
18:17
Like 2 years ago or a year ago, whatever I wrote about, you
18:21
know, hating on this guy for being a robot.
18:23
And now I'm wishing I was one. Like what?
18:26
This is so crazy. What a weird thing.
18:28
And then immediately I wrote down on my phone falling for
18:31
robots and wishing I was 1. And then after I wrote that, it
18:34
was so easy to write the rest of the songs because I was like,
18:36
this is the concept and I need to just like fill in the rest of
18:40
my life essentially. And all the things that happened
18:42
to me that fall in between this. And so it was really easy.
18:45
But my point being, it was like a three-year writing process by
18:48
the time from when I wrote the first song to the last song
18:51
song. And then this album is really
18:56
scary because it's like, OK, girl, you have one year, you're
18:59
signing a record deal and we want it out.
19:02
By when did I sign? I think it's less than a year.
19:05
Yeah, I signed in the summer. Oh my gosh, Congrats.
19:08
I think or maybe last spring, yeah, maybe it's a year.
19:11
Deadline. Yeah, well, they were like, we'd
19:13
like to put the album out in April and I'm like.
19:16
Then I guess an albums coming out in April.
19:18
Yeah, I was like, oh, I guess I better start fucking writing
19:21
then like crazy. So it's completely different.
19:24
You had way more time on your debut.
19:25
Way more. You had a deadline for yourself.
19:28
No, I I didn't know when I was putting out the album.
19:30
So it's like that's what they always say though.
19:32
You have your whole life to write your debut and then one
19:33
year to write your sophomore. Damn, wait, I'm gonna sit with
19:36
that. I've heard that before.
19:37
I haven't heard it recently because I'm like, I'm writing my
19:40
debut right now. Yeah, enjoy.
19:43
It it has been actual hell. Yeah, well, I, I also, I am so
19:48
obsessed with my debut album. You should thank you.
19:51
I think it's the most important album in, like any artist's,
19:54
yeah. I'm.
19:55
Really. And I, I feel like I feel so bad
19:56
because I talk about it with my friends all the time and I'm
19:58
like, you, you want to get it right.
20:00
You really want to get it right. And of course you're going to
20:02
evolve and like that. But I wouldn't want to listen to
20:04
like my first album for the rest of my life.
20:06
Hopefully you know. Yeah, no, yeah, you, you, you
20:08
want to. And that, that.
20:09
But I was so obsessed with it, so obsessed with the art, that
20:12
it was really hard making this album because I was like, I need
20:16
it to be either better or at least.
20:18
The same. I only have the pressure and.
20:20
But you're putting it on yourself.
20:21
Yes, because I loved the first one so much that I was like
20:25
this. You know, if until I love it the
20:27
same, I can't put this out like until I love the songs the same
20:31
that I loved on the first one. And it was just also so hard
20:34
because the first one was such a concept and the second one
20:37
actually is also like the whole concept of God Forbid Girls puts
20:40
out her feelings, which I can explain when we talk about the
20:42
album, but it definitely it was harder to get there for sure, I
20:48
think. And you really had less time
20:49
too. And so and I was stressed, I
20:51
wasn't stressed during my first album.
20:54
And also I started having vocal issues while finishing this
20:57
album. So like this album has 13 tracks
21:00
but I wanted it to be 15 but I just like wasn't able to sing
21:03
anymore. Maybe like God forbid a girl
21:06
puts out a deluxe. That's literally I want to call
21:09
it. God forbid a girl spits out more
21:11
of her feelings. We I love that.
21:13
We I'm sorry if we weep that. No, it's OK.
21:15
I, I, it's I, I don't even know if I mean no, I'm doing a deluxe
21:20
100 percent, 100%. It's not a leak because I've,
21:22
I've said before, like I didn't get to finish it exactly how I
21:26
wanted. And don't get me wrong, it's
21:28
definitely cohesive. It's great.
21:29
But I just, I wanted to put a little more, a few more tracks
21:32
in at least. And you still can.
21:33
Yeah, and I'm I'm going to you still.
21:35
Can and so you're working on that right now with this album
21:37
cycle. You finished the album, yeah,
21:39
but you're going to work on putting.
21:40
Out. Yeah.
21:40
Well, so one song actually that almost made the album that's
21:43
called Pretty Little Wreck. I already leaked that in my
21:45
Discord, so I don't care to say it.
21:48
It was almost on, but I just like couldn't finish it in time
21:51
because of my voice and all this stuff and.
21:53
But I really wanted that song to be on the album.
21:56
Would you have considered like maybe being like, you know, hey,
21:59
can we like delay it a little bit just so we could finish?
22:01
It so like that's exactly what I asked, but the problem is I'm
22:04
going on tour. Oh, that's.
22:06
The album needed to come out before a tour and I couldn't, I
22:09
couldn't delay the tour because it was already booked so.
22:11
I just had this exact conversation this morning
22:13
driving to set where I was talking to my manager and I was
22:16
like, I want to go on this tour but I don't think I'll have
22:18
music out by then. And then he was like, we should
22:19
just focus on making the music. And I was like or, or if I
22:22
booked the tour then I could just like force.
22:25
Is it an opening slot or is it an opening?
22:27
So you could do it, I think, yeah.
22:29
Well, you think so? Yeah, it'd be in June.
22:31
You have no music out, not when. 00 music out right now, yeah.
22:35
Can you put music out before June?
22:37
I could, but then I just, I'm scared to rush it because I'm
22:40
hoping this is a debut, you know, like a debut album, you
22:42
know what I mean? So I'm like, I don't want to
22:44
rush in. That's why I was thinking I was
22:45
like, do I want to rush to art? But at the same time, it's like,
22:47
I think that'd be such a good. Yeah, well.
22:49
Maybe you could put it one single or something.
22:51
I think I will. I think so.
22:53
We're talking about, we're hoping May.
22:55
So between making this past album, your first album, your
22:58
debut, and making this one, you know, with these sessions for
23:02
this new album within this past year, you knew you were writing
23:05
this album like everything you're doing was going to be
23:07
towards this album. Yes and no.
23:09
Some of the songs that are on the album I wrote like a year
23:14
ago. Over a year ago.
23:17
No, maybe a year ago, But like when I was when I was writing
23:20
for my deluxe for Falling for Robots, Yeah.
23:23
And then some. I just wrote in between before I
23:26
was signed and then after the album.
23:28
So I didn't know what it was for, but I was just like, I'm
23:31
writing songs. Yeah, I mean, as an artist,
23:33
you're going to be writing either.
23:34
Way yeah, so and I think you could definitely tell like on
23:37
the album, there's a few I I, I think like.
23:40
So my last album I worked all with one producer.
23:43
Oh I love. That the whole thing, Yeah.
23:44
I thought it was great. I thought it was amazing.
23:47
That's low key my preference. Yeah, it was great because I
23:49
felt like everything was really cohesive.
23:51
And then this time, yes, this time I worked with a a new
23:55
producer in LA His name's Andrew Goldstein.
23:57
Amazing. And Oh my.
23:58
God, I love Andrew. He did Bridget Mendler's album
24:00
in 2012. Oh my God, huge.
24:02
Every time I walk into a studio and I see Ready or Not the flag
24:07
I'm like Oh yeah I forgot him with actual royalty.
24:09
Right now, so talented that is so.
24:11
Funny that you sleep a lot too, yeah?
24:13
Yes. Oh my God.
24:14
Yes. Yeah, that's right.
24:15
Yeah. He's incredible.
24:16
Shadow, Andrew. Yeah, yeah, Andrew, But yeah.
24:19
And I think you can tell which songs that I did with him and
24:22
which songs that I did with interesting.
24:24
My Nashville producer, Mike Robinson.
24:26
Amazing. And he did the first album.
24:28
He did the first album, yeah. Oh my gosh, Like I love that
24:30
you're transparent about that because in my thing right now as
24:33
I'm making my project is I really wanted to be cohesive and
24:36
I'm having like something similar to where I'm like I was
24:38
telling my team, I'm like, I feel like you can hear that
24:40
these are different producers. But I think The thing is that
24:42
still keeps it cohesive because I was like, I remember I sent it
24:46
to my managers, everyone being like, is this a cohesive?
24:48
Is this a cohesive? Like just making sure and
24:50
everyone's like, you are what makes a cohesive you, your
24:52
lyrics, your vibe. So it doesn't matter that it's
24:56
like some songs are like softer and more like, you know, cleaner
25:00
or more single project. Though I really like that you're
25:03
intentional about wanting it to be like a body of work, because
25:06
I feel like a lot of artists like.
25:08
Throw things together. Just throw things together and
25:10
you could tell if you're somewhere like a playlist versus
25:12
like an album. And that's why I'm like, I
25:13
wanna, we need to bring back the art of albums.
25:16
Under I stress over the track list.
25:18
You don't. I like listen to it.
25:19
I'm like, OK, this could be here.
25:21
Oh, but then I can't be here because that doesn't make sense.
25:23
I like when it's like a story. I was gonna say your debut album
25:26
falls a. Story.
25:26
Yeah, yeah, oh man, full story. And yeah, I'm not really like
25:30
listening to Sonics, which maybe I should be.
25:32
I'm just like, what is the? I'm just like, I need to put it
25:35
in order of the story. So like, you're going more from
25:37
a storytelling perspective. Yeah.
25:38
Interesting. So do you want it to be like a
25:41
chronological story? You're like you're following a
25:42
path. There's your theatre coming out.
25:44
Yeah, literally, there's my theatre.
25:45
Coming out, I feel like for me like I think about sonics like
25:48
how do the songs like? That's so important, I should
25:51
think about that more. Honestly, I mean, honestly, as
25:53
an artist, like telling your story is so important.
25:55
So I kind of like that. That's really interesting.
25:57
That's super cool. So then you have on this album,
26:00
like songs are either about falling for the robot or wishing
26:03
you were going to be wishing to be the robot.
26:05
So then you lean into this Wizard of Oz like Dorothy
26:08
aesthetic. You do it for the tour.
26:10
Let's talk about that. Yeah, so I mean, right when I
26:13
wrote You and the Tin Man, I was like, it would be so sick to be
26:17
a punked out Dorothy for this album, for the single artwork.
26:20
I didn't know yet that'd be album.
26:22
And then once I had the title, I was like, OK, yeah, this.
26:24
I can still be punked out, Dorothy, thank God.
26:27
And I so I I called my creative director at the time and I was
26:30
like, it needs to be Wizard of Oz like kind of fucked up.
26:35
Yeah, yellow brick row, but like fucked up.
26:37
It didn't end up actually being fucked up.
26:38
It was just like pretty. I was like, but I want to be
26:41
like leaning over either the Tin Man or a robot and like ripping
26:47
out his heart and like it's gushing blood down and he's.
26:49
Like. Oh yeah.
26:51
You knew what you wanted. Yeah, yeah.
26:52
Oh, I knew exactly what I wanted and he was like I got you and
26:55
y'all did it. He killed it.
26:57
Yeah, he killed it literally. Like people were like, is this
27:00
AI? And I'm like, no, he just
27:02
fucking killed it. No, like we did that.
27:04
Yeah, we did that. It was Photoshop for sure.
27:06
I I was actually leaning over this really weird, like 2 metal
27:10
boxes with like a mannequin head.
27:12
It was so it was so creepy. And then he turned it into a
27:15
robot with Photoshop. But on my tour have a real he
27:20
recreated the robot and yeah, like his eyes are the lights and
27:23
it's really it's really cute. We call him Lobot.
27:25
That's. Hilarious and fucking love that.
27:28
For this coming tour, I we basically like yes, if I had
27:34
Lobot, we're like just we're putting like cheetah vinyl on
27:38
top of him. So he like fits this album.
27:40
The new one because of the packaging of the.
27:42
Yeah, like cheetah on it. Like Cheetah, you're still.
27:44
You're still keeping and referencing your debut.
27:46
Yeah, because that's the thing like when I was, when I'm now in
27:49
the process of building my new headline show.
27:51
Yeah. And I'm like, I still need to
27:54
have elements of like the old album and stuff like that.
27:57
Exactly. I'm going to be performing that.
27:59
So I'm like, how do I make this whole world still exist?
28:03
I think I'm going to have like a transition.
28:04
Then I'll do like a little chunk of like the old album.
28:07
So I was like, I need to still have Lobot.
28:08
He's so he's like part of my brand. 1,000,000% like.
28:11
Who else carries around a robot with them?
28:14
Yeah, I love that you're like so deep into the visuals because I
28:18
think that's so important for artists, too.
28:20
I think, like I always tell people like, you're going to see
28:21
an artist before you hear them, you know?
28:23
So I really like that, like you, you take it seriously.
28:27
So with the first tour you had it, it felt like Broadway, to be
28:32
honest. You know what I mean?
28:33
Tell us about that tour. It was literally amazing.
28:36
I had so much anxiety for that tour because yeah, I was an
28:39
opener so many times and I was. I never did a headline tour it.
28:42
Was your first. Headlining, yeah.
28:43
And I was like, what if no one buys tickets?
28:46
That's such a scary. Thought it's so scary because
28:48
it's like when you're the opener, there's no pressure, no
28:50
pressure. They're not here to see me.
28:52
That's why I'm not here to sell tickets.
28:53
I'm exactly I'm. Just.
28:55
Here, they're already expecting me to not be good.
28:57
Like, they just want to see the person that they're there for,
28:59
yeah. They're getting their drinks.
29:00
Yeah, when you're. Like you're seeing, all I have
29:02
to do is exceed their expectations a little bit and
29:05
then they'll be happy. You know, as an opener, no, no
29:08
pressure, no pressure. But then as headline, so much
29:11
pressure, but so much more fun because everyone's there for
29:14
you. But anyways, we put the tour on
29:16
sale. I started with Europe and UK and
29:19
literally like it. All sold out so quick.
29:22
Oh my God, Congrats. That I had to like upgrade the
29:23
venues. I upgraded the London venue
29:25
twice and it sold out. So we could have upgraded it
29:27
again. Yeah.
29:30
And then I was like, oh, OK, I have confidence now because it
29:33
just went, it went so well. And this is your tour now.
29:35
Like you can design the set, you can figure out what you want to
29:37
do, and like, you have so much more creative control over that.
29:40
Yeah, so it was so much fun. The audiences were crazy.
29:43
I've never experienced anything like that.
29:45
Because again, as the opener, even though there's no pressure,
29:47
it's like a lot of people standing like.
29:49
Yeah. And honestly, yeah, you see it.
29:52
And I don't like no hate to them because for me, when I'm like
29:55
watching something for the first time and analyzing it, I'm also
29:57
like, and even I've seen someone that's so good and I'm just
30:00
like, Oh my God, they're amazing.
30:03
But I'm standing like this, right?
30:05
So I'm not like jumping up and down.
30:07
But now actually, oops. Now when I watch a show, I am
30:10
making sure to jump up and down because I like.
30:12
I know how it feels and. I always want like artists to
30:14
feel like I give a fuck, you know what I mean?
30:16
So if I'm watching someone, I'm like, I got to move a little,
30:18
you know what I mean? Like.
30:20
My most comfort, like if I was just being comfortable at a
30:23
concert, it would be to do this. Because it's like.
30:25
You're standing there for a long time and I'm like.
30:27
Because essentially you're also and perform when you're down
30:29
there because when you're like jumping up and down like you
30:31
want them in like I'm having a good time a little bit.
30:33
Yes, 100%. That's a lot of energy.
30:35
It's a lot of energy. So I totally get the people that
30:38
just stand there like, you know, do your thing.
30:39
No, no hate. But but yeah, the tour went so
30:43
well and now I'm like, just excited to do it again.
30:47
You're about to do it. Again, you're about to share
30:49
Europe love again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:51
Wait, So what's different with this upcoming tour?
30:54
Well the rooms are way bigger which is crazy.
30:56
Congrats, the room I put on sale for my first London show for
31:01
instance was 150 and this time I'm doing 1500 capacity.
31:08
What a fucking upgrade. It's insane.
31:09
Well, because that's crazy. And yeah, it's, it doesn't
31:14
really make sense. Like my label sent it to me and
31:15
I was like, what? And they were like, well, you
31:17
sold it out twice last time. So I ended up doing 500 last
31:21
time instead of 150. Yeah.
31:22
But I was like, OK, let's go of 1000 people.
31:25
I hope they come. But it's selling really well so
31:27
far, so. Absolutely everyone.
31:28
Go see Lolo and Taurus. You're doing Europe.
31:30
Fly to to London yeah I'm going to do other territories as well
31:34
but haven't announced it yet oh because we're still planning it
31:37
and just. Like, see you in LA.
31:38
Yes, you will. This year, 100%.
31:41
Yeah, it's happening. God forbid a girl performs in
31:43
LA. Yes.
31:45
That's such a good album title, by the way.
31:46
Thank you. I'm excited to get to it.
31:47
But yeah, with the tour, like, you know how you built this,
31:49
it's like world for your first headlining tour with this
31:52
upcoming one, Like, have you started, like thinking about
31:55
what that one's going to look like?
31:56
It's going to be in the world of God forbid a girl spits out her.
31:59
Feel yeah, so but I I like the whole thing about even just like
32:02
designing the album artwork for this.
32:04
It's like I was like, OK, well, I can't I don't want to do
32:06
another movie because then I'm just going to be like the movie
32:08
girl, but I want it to be like a world, like a low, low world
32:14
that is still like whimsical and over exaggerated.
32:18
And so yeah, I'm designing the set right now with my creative
32:23
director and we're figuring things out.
32:25
But yeah, Lobot for sure is still coming.
32:28
And then we're figuring it out. I mean, I can't do so much like
32:33
craziness because like 1500's the biggest room, but most of
32:37
the rooms are like 5 to 800. But then some of the rooms are
32:41
still like the places that like I've never done a good line in
32:44
Prague or whatever. So it's like 300.
32:46
No hunt the show does not change.
32:48
But the design, like sometimes you can't hang your banner, like
32:51
if it's a smaller room and stuff.
32:52
Yeah, right, right. Right, you're working with the
32:54
size of the. Yeah.
32:55
So it's kind of hard, especially when I am having such a scalable
32:58
like some like one night it's 301 night it's 1500, it's like,
33:02
OK, I have to figure out a set that will adopt.
33:05
Yeah. So figuring that out.
33:07
So for the set list, do you think you're going to be able to
33:10
perform like the songs that didn't make the initial track
33:13
listing for the upcoming album? Do you think they're going to be
33:15
ready by then? They yeah, they might be ready
33:18
by them, but I probably won't play them only because I already
33:23
like I'm when you said set list, I was like, I'm stressing about
33:25
the set list because you hear. A lot about how like the
33:28
sequencing of things too. Yeah, and I want to.
33:30
Do 2. Projects now, yeah, like even
33:33
last tour I was like Oh my God, I'm not playing this song, how
33:36
can I not? And I performed for like an hour
33:38
and a half. And I remember my MD was like,
33:40
you know, you don't need to do an hour and a half like at your
33:43
level, like that's that's a long show.
33:47
And I'm like, but I want to get love that.
33:49
Yeah, I love. I love it when my favorite
33:51
artist do long shows like 2. Longer shows, yeah, absolutely.
33:54
So I ended up cutting stuff even still to make it 150.
33:58
So then I'm like or 1:30 and I'm like, how is this going to be
34:02
same time? But I have a whole new album.
34:05
So I'm just like, what do I cut? Luckily, I do like a VIP where I
34:09
do an acoustic performance of like songs that aren't on the
34:12
set list. So for people I.
34:14
Like. That yeah 'cause I just like.
34:16
I feel. Bad.
34:16
I want what they want. Yeah.
34:18
I want to give people what they want and I I hate when people
34:20
are upset. I was kind of thinking, I saw
34:23
one of my friends did a in her set.
34:25
Like she had a wheel of like all her old songs.
34:27
And she had like, someone spin it and like, Oh yeah.
34:29
So every night they would do a different old song.
34:31
Yeah. Yeah.
34:32
Sabrina Carpenter kind of did that with her cover.
34:34
I think Sabrina Carpenter had something similar.
34:36
Too. Yeah yeah.
34:38
Cover song. Yeah, fun too then.
34:39
That way you can feel like that. Keep it interesting for yourself
34:41
every night. Exactly.
34:42
Yeah, 'cause it does. It's like so much music at this
34:44
point. I know it's too much.
34:46
I mean, it's great. I mean, more is coming, yeah.
34:48
More is coming. More is coming, so we're gonna
34:50
hear a lot of the new stuff too on this one.
34:52
Yeah, I definitely a lot of the new stuff, but then obviously
34:55
I'm going to play like everyone's favorites.
34:57
I hope. Oh my.
34:58
God, of course. I mean every song is everyone's
35:00
favorite. Yeah, I hope so.
35:02
Well, I want to talk about this. God forbid a girl talks about
35:06
her upcoming album. Let's talk about the new album.
35:09
Well, I love the album cover. I was telling you before the
35:11
show, like, it's so stunning. Like, can you walk us through
35:14
it? Also, you had the spike choker
35:16
in it. Was that uncomfortable?
35:17
Because I saw in one of the assets you were, like laying on
35:19
your side. I was like, oh.
35:21
Yeah, you know what, It wasn't uncomfortable.
35:23
It was just so heavy. I I think I have really, really
35:26
weird like I don't know if it's like OCD or like yeah, slightly,
35:30
I don't think a sensory thing 100.
35:32
Percent. I got that.
35:32
Can't. I don't like after a while
35:34
wearing a lot of stuff on my neck.
35:36
I can't wear turtlenecks. I start to gag.
35:38
I got it. I'm just kidding.
35:40
Yeah. I start, I start gagging.
35:42
It's really weird. Same jewelry.
35:43
I start gagging. You committed for the cover.
35:45
Art Yeah, I committed. But yeah, for the cover art, So
35:48
I really liked the idea of the Princess and the because
35:54
basically the star of Princess and the P is that like she they
35:56
find out she's a Princess because she couldn't feel even
35:58
like the tiniest P under 20 mattresses, IE she's super
36:01
sensitive. Oh my God.
36:05
You're a genius. Yeah.
36:05
So I was like, 'cause you're on it.
36:07
With the mattresses. Exactly.
36:09
So it's like the Princess and the P because like I'm also
36:12
super sensitive and I feel things more than the average
36:15
person would feel them. And I felt like it was kind of a
36:19
continuation of like my first album where I'm wishing to be a
36:22
robot and I'm wishing to be numb.
36:24
Because at the end of that album, I feel like I, and I, I
36:28
said this on my headline tour too, Like at the end of the
36:30
show, I say like, you know what? I wanted to be numb.
36:33
But like the whole reason, like the whole point of life is to
36:36
feel things and like we're feeling this together and like,
36:40
and, and we're human and that's the whole point is that we're
36:43
human and we feel things. And so I kind of took that into
36:46
this album artwork, kind of being like the opposite of being
36:50
numb. And now I'm embracing that.
36:51
I not only feel things, but I feel every little thing, even
36:54
like the tiniest bee under a mattress 100%.
36:57
So I'm kind of like the Princess and the bee because I'm super.
37:00
We're both sensitive. Wait, I'm so happy we talked
37:01
about the album cover because like, I just thought it was
37:03
stunning. Oh my God, thank you.
37:04
But I'm like, wait, that's so much intention.
37:06
Yeah, that is so cool. Wow.
37:09
So you said that this album, like, is kind of conceptual as
37:12
well. Like, what would you say is,
37:13
like your concept for this one? Because you had a very clear,
37:15
defined concept for your debut. Well, basically it's like the
37:18
title kind of is the concept. I'll tell you how I got to that.
37:20
So basically, as I kind of said before, I was having vocal
37:24
issues and I couldn't record extra songs.
37:26
And the songs that I already had done, the 13 that are on there,
37:30
most of them, I think all of them except the first track
37:34
pretty much are about relationships, friends maybe,
37:38
or, you know, exes. But it's kind of like love and
37:42
loss in a relationships, right? All of them.
37:44
And sometimes I feel like I've gotten comments being like, can
37:47
you write anything else besides like breakups or whatever?
37:51
Yeah, it's like so annoying. I remember my old manager was
37:53
like, you need to write something else beside breakups.
37:55
And I was like, OK. And then I started writing about
37:56
anxiety. And then he's like, you need to
37:58
write something else beside anxiety.
37:59
And I'm like, what else is there?
38:01
What do you want for me? What else is there?
38:02
Breakups, anxiety, Like that's the only two things in my life
38:05
is my life. But anyways, shout out to him.
38:08
I love him, no hate, no hate to him, love him.
38:11
But I was looking at my track list and I'm like they're all
38:14
about relationships. What the fuck I'm going to get
38:17
some hate. And then I was like God forbid a
38:19
girls put that our feelings like that's all I'm feeling right
38:22
now. And as soon as I said that in my
38:25
head I was like that is it. So I keep hitting this.
38:29
I was like. Album title.
38:30
Boots, that is it. That is my album title and then
38:32
right away I picked up the guitar and I wrote a song called
38:36
God forbid a girls pathetic feelings about that about like
38:41
it's kind of like it's kind of meta.
38:43
I'm like the song talks about, like, what do I do?
38:46
Like when, you know, if it's kind of like that famous Taylor
38:50
Swift song, Like if you don't want me to write bad songs about
38:52
you, don't do bad things. Like, OK, Like it's all I'm just
38:56
a girl here. Oh my God, you're a Swifty core.
38:59
Oh yeah. You're a.
38:59
Swifty Core you. Love your Easter egg.
39:00
I really do. Like before I announced the
39:02
album every day I was like I put like sixpence on the richer,
39:06
then 5 seconds of summer and then four everybody.
39:09
I did a countdown and like it took my fans a long time to
39:12
clock up and then by three they were like.
39:13
Wait, she's. Counting.
39:14
She's doing something. Something.
39:16
'S about to be announced. Yeah.
39:17
So that, that, that was exciting.
39:19
Forgot what I was saying. Oh yeah.
39:21
So anyways, that's how I got the album title because I was
39:24
genuinely concerned that people were going to make fun of me for
39:27
this album. And then I was like, fuck it,
39:30
this is this is, this is what I'm spitting out.
39:32
Spit out your. Feelings.
39:33
I like that title so much, it's so dramatic.
39:35
I'm dramatic. You love a long title.
39:37
I do love a long title. Really.
39:39
Yeah. I remember also when I was doing
39:41
falling for Falling for Robots and wishing I was was uh huh.
39:44
I told my manager that was the title.
39:45
He's like, it's too long as he was wearing in 1975.
39:49
Sure. Lock.
39:49
It with the really long album and for it.
39:51
Was called lock it. That's.
39:52
And I was like, girl, right? And he's like, oh, OK, It's
39:58
like, point made. That's so funny.
40:00
Yeah, I love long titles. You turn me out, but you give a
40:02
depression. I love it, I think.
40:03
It's funny. Oh my God, exactly.
40:05
And you have like you really lean into that because I feel
40:07
like I like one word titles so much.
40:10
I like that too, but do you? Feel like all of your projects
40:12
will have, like, a long title. Like, obviously you wouldn't
40:15
know right now, but like, do you tell?
40:16
Because I told myself as an artist, every album put out will
40:19
be one word. Yeah, it's what I like.
40:21
Committing to I like me and Leah actually have this discussion
40:24
because she's a one word girl. And I'm super over genius, yeah.
40:28
And I'm, yeah, I'm a whole sentence.
40:30
That's so interesting because you guys are, like, best
40:32
friends, you and Leah, Kate. Yeah.
40:33
And then like, I feel like getting to know you, like you
40:36
guys are so different. I know we're so different but
40:39
we're both fucking delusional. I love it and like insane and so
40:42
we. Don't have a podcast?
40:43
Yeah, we, we. You both will come on.
40:45
Yeah, I we literally wanted to have a podcast called like the
40:49
the Delulus or something. This is before we knew you.
40:51
That's right. Copyright.
40:52
And yeah, but when she told me that she went on your podcast, I
40:57
was like, wait, there's already one called that That's so crazy.
41:00
I need to go on it too. And then here I am.
41:01
Well, you kind of manifested the delulu thing between y'all and
41:04
then because you both were on here.
41:05
Yeah, we'll have both of you on at the same time.
41:07
Yeah, we need to do that. We should do that, Yeah.
41:09
When you maybe you both will put out a deluxe at the same time.
41:12
Yeah, OK, we'll see. She'll probably put ours out
41:14
before me, but I'll just come. OK, love, I'll have my people
41:18
reach out to all other people. Perfect.
41:19
OK, we love it. Well, we're super excited for
41:21
this album. I love the four singles that you
41:23
released prior and I'll something before the show.
41:25
Like I think with your debut, it felt way, it felt more robust.
41:28
It felt like louder. It felt like sonically grittier.
41:31
And then this one feels like it's coming in a different
41:33
direction. Like how was this evolution in
41:35
shift? Yeah.
41:36
Well, OK. So a couple of reasons.
41:38
So one, I guess I like really need to stop going on the
41:41
Internet and seeing what people are saying about me.
41:42
But I think something that I get a lot is she's not pop punk,
41:48
she's not rock. Like she this is like man, like,
41:52
you know, that kind of thing. And I'm just sitting here like I
41:55
never said I was fucking. I was literally about.
41:57
To say right now, I was like, wait, did you ever like say?
41:59
Never, ever. I was never like I'm a punk.
42:02
Yeah, no, I'm big pussy. I'm very emotional, like I I.
42:08
Never claimed. I never think I was like, I put
42:11
on a Plaid skirt and you guys fucking put this title on me.
42:15
No. But also, of course, I grew up
42:16
loving Green Day and Weezer and Simple Plan and and Avril
42:19
Lavigne and like, I totally felt like I was a part of the scene
42:23
growing up and I and I loved that.
42:27
But I think the whole thing about the scene is that it
42:28
should be like inclusive and that's, that's, that's the whole
42:31
thing. So I find it funny that
42:33
sometimes I get that those comments, but I was like, you
42:37
know what? I'm going to lean into this
42:38
because, yeah, I'm not like that gritty and hardcore and, or I
42:43
mean, I can be, but like, I feel like a really good reference for
42:47
me is like, you know, like Michelle Branch and like Ashley
42:50
Simpson, like they were like pop rock when I was little.
42:54
My, my 2, my favorite C DS were Hilary Duff's and Green Days.
43:00
And I actually think that's a really good amalgamation.
43:02
Yeah. Like I thought Hilary Duff was a
43:04
rock star. Like, I thought she was rock.
43:06
And like, in a way. Yeah, exactly.
43:09
That's what I that's what I feel.
43:11
And so I was like, I'm going to lean into this and I'm going to
43:14
like explore them more like Michelle Branch, Alanis
43:17
Morissette, kind of Ashley Simpson kind of rock rather than
43:21
like the Green Day and Weezer thing, which I was already kind
43:24
of exploring before. I was like, I want to see that
43:26
side of like the pop rock because I think it's such, first
43:29
of all, I don't even believe in genres, but I think it's such
43:31
like a broad genre. And I was like, yeah, so fuck
43:35
you guys. Because I'm still playing Warp
43:37
Tour. So here you go.
43:38
And. You're.
43:38
Still there, but I think it's actually really nice and I think
43:41
like I I, I've I normally don't get any anxiety performing, but
43:45
before warp tour I was so scared because you know that and it's
43:49
expecting because I'm I've had a drink thrown on me once before
43:52
yeah Oh my God, Adam, not downloadfest.
43:55
Why do I keep forgetting the name Slam Dunk Fest?
43:58
Oh my God, this asshole guy that is so rude.
44:01
And yeah, he threw a drink at me after I sung one of my like,
44:04
heaviest songs that I'm literally screaming in called Oh
44:07
my God, I don't know. So.
44:09
It wasn't enough coming. Back to delusion, because he
44:12
threw a drink on me and it went right in between me and my
44:16
guitar player. And if it went on my guitar
44:18
players like pedal board, it would have like cost me
44:21
thousands. I mark my words.
44:23
I would have jumped into the audience and tackled this man.
44:26
I don't, I can't control myself sometimes, but it, it went in
44:31
between and in my delusion, I was like, Oh, a drink just came
44:35
on stage and was really hot and I was like, oh, was he cooling
44:38
me down, trying to cool me down because he thinks I'm like hot
44:41
or maybe he thinks I'm like good looking.
44:43
That's that. That was my first thought.
44:46
I was like, oh, I'm does he think I'm hot?
44:48
So he's like pulling me down like.
44:50
He's. Kidding on me.
44:51
Yeah, that was my actual first thought.
44:55
Like, I swear to you, I wasn't like, oh, someone hates this.
44:58
How could how could they hate it?
44:59
I was just like doing such a good job that I think it came.
45:04
I remember being a little kid, and sometimes, you know,
45:06
obviously girls are like, mean and stuff.
45:09
And my mom always said, oh, it's nothing with you.
45:11
You're amazing. If someone's mean to you, their
45:13
parents are probably getting divorced.
45:15
Yeah, That's what she said to me.
45:17
Your mom's better. Yeah.
45:18
Yeah. My mom's delusional, too.
45:20
And so that really stuck with me.
45:21
And whenever a girl was mean to me, I was always like, oh,
45:24
they're having troubles at home. Like, it's not me.
45:26
I'm amazing, like. And I definitely want to teach
45:28
that to my future. Kids being instilled.
45:30
Though Yeah, confident it was really you.
45:32
Shouldn't take it personally. Yeah, yeah.
45:34
But anyways, he threw the drink at me.
45:36
I remember I said to him, I said on the microphone, did someone
45:39
just throw that? Because I was so confused.
45:41
And he's like, I did you fucking suck.
45:44
That's what he said to me. And I was like.
45:48
Did anyone in the crowd like beat him up?
45:50
So basically I don't even want to get back into this because
45:53
like whatever, but I basically made a comment, oh, it's OK, I'm
45:57
verbally abusing him on stage. I was like, I said something
46:01
about like that. He I asked him why he was so
46:06
upset. I was like, is it because I was
46:09
like, you must have. Yeah.
46:10
I was like, I'm sorry. Like, what upset you so much?
46:12
Like, have you never had your Dick sucked before or something
46:14
like that? And then I was like, I said
46:16
something along the lines of like, I would never suck your
46:20
Dick and I love sucking Dick or something like that.
46:23
And the whole crowd, I know it's like so inappropriate.
46:25
My, my dad texted me after like, why Lauren?
46:28
Why? But the whole crowd erupted in
46:31
laughter and everyone started booing him and his friends that
46:34
he was with like pushed him away and he got totally.
46:39
And it's funny because that day I had zero press booked and I
46:43
got off stage and every other artist, artist that looked up
46:46
that I looked up to whatever came up to me and like gave me a
46:49
half five. They're like, that was so
46:50
fucking funny that you said that.
46:52
And then every single press outlet there that day wanted to
46:55
talk to me about my comment. And I was like, Oh my God, I, I,
46:59
my dad, my dad's going to see this though.
47:01
And then it ended up being taped and then that video blew up and
47:05
it got me 30,000 Instagram followers.
47:08
Cool. That's crazy.
47:09
Yeah, my mom always says sex cells, but yeah.
47:13
And then I remember my dad texted me being like, I'm so how
47:15
happy you like verbally abused that guy that was mean to you.
47:18
But did you have to say that? It's.
47:21
OK, Did you have to say that? And I was like, Dad, Yeah,
47:24
Honestly, it was just, I don't know why in my head I just said
47:28
that because I think I actually met Billie Joe Armstrong one day
47:32
and he told me that he got actual No, no, no, no, he didn't
47:37
see it. We were talking and he we were
47:40
talking just about the industry or whatever.
47:41
And he told me that he like got actual human shit thrown at him
47:44
one day at I think it was at Woodstock or something.
47:47
I don't remember that. Like, yeah, people were like
47:49
throwing shit at Green Day and people even simple plan.
47:52
I've talked about it, but like they they have in their
47:54
documentary, people like peed in a bottle and threw it on stage.
47:57
Like people are crazy. Let me just.
47:58
Kind of write a passage. Though, Yeah.
48:00
So he told me that people threw shit at him because they weren't
48:03
like punk rock enough. And I remember that really stuck
48:05
with me. And I said to myself, if they're
48:07
going to throw shit at Green Day for not being punk rock, I'm
48:10
getting shit thrown at me one day.
48:12
And it better not be real human shit.
48:14
But it's going to be something, I think.
48:15
That's like bioterrorism. This was that was the 90s I
48:18
guess. But sometimes I would like stay
48:21
awake in bed and think of like, if someone threw something at
48:24
me, what would I say? And I would.
48:27
I always. Thought before they threw this.
48:28
Is before, yeah, before. So I was always like, sometimes
48:31
if I couldn't fall asleep I was like, oh, would I say I would be
48:33
funny if I said something about like sucking Dick or something.
48:35
Yeah. Oh, and.
48:36
You're ready to go. Yeah, so I kind of like knew I
48:38
wanted to say that, but I was really when he said you fucking
48:41
suck. I my heart to start beating.
48:42
It did affect me. I was upset and so I didn't say
48:45
it exactly how I wanted to say it, but I was prepared.
48:47
It was. Still effective.
48:49
Oh yeah, the whole crowd was fucking dying.
48:50
I like press. I got my press.
48:52
They thought it was. Probably all about You're a
48:54
hella camp too. They thought it was so funny.
48:56
Yeah. Yeah, and it probably made like
48:58
new fans. Yes, literally people were
49:00
commenting on the video being like, I don't know who you are,
49:02
but I love you now. Oh my God.
49:04
So yeah, that man actually got me 30,000 Instagram followers,
49:07
so thank you Sir. I wonder if he ever thinks about
49:10
it, 'cause I'm like, why? It haunts him as it.
49:12
Should it it? Honestly, it rattled me for the
49:14
rest of the set. Like I was trying to not let it
49:16
get to me, but I'm like, why are people?
49:18
I mean like I would literally, and I don't even know anyone
49:20
that would ever do something like that.
49:22
Oh my God, I can't I. Don't know anyone that would do
49:25
that. I'm like, who are these people?
49:26
But that brings me to my point where to where I was, I was
49:29
really nervous for Warp Tour and Download Fest and stuff like
49:31
that. Yeah.
49:33
Because I'm always scared that like I'm too I'm too pop for
49:36
punk or whatever and bullshit. Yeah, But what I, what I've
49:41
learned, because I was going to go into like this past summer, I
49:44
did all these festivals, these hardcore, like literally I was
49:46
on like metal festivals and I'm like singing, like you turn me
49:50
on, but you give me depression. I was going to like change my
49:54
whole set and just do like the upbeat songs and like the crazy
49:57
songs. And then my MD was like, Lolo,
50:00
like, why don't you just be yourself and like, fine, yeah,
50:04
they're going to get like an ear break from like all the
50:06
screaming and like metal and like they're going to like you.
50:09
And so we did do that. And I was really scared, but it
50:12
but it worked out. And that really taught me like
50:15
I'm going to just be true to myself always.
50:17
If they don't like it, they can throw a blue slushie at me.
50:20
Period. And you'll get more press.
50:21
Not poo. And then you'll get more and
50:23
I'll get more press and I'll, you know now.
50:25
And now I really have things in the back of my mind to say so.
50:28
But you know what? Oh, so you're ready?
50:29
I'm. So ready but like don't throw
50:31
things at me, but if you do I am going to make you into a viral
50:34
tick tock. You're going to be part of her
50:36
career growth. So, yeah, so.
50:38
We'll see. You decide so honestly.
50:40
Sorry, that was a tangent. Not at all.
50:42
That's a really interesting story, actually.
50:44
So I'm going to. What I'm taking from that is
50:46
Charlie, my publicist. We need this stage, someone
50:49
doing something to me so I can we can grow.
50:52
People thought it was stage people at the festival after
50:55
they asked me was that real? And I was.
50:56
Like I wouldn't handle it if that actually happened, like to
50:58
me, and I didn't expect it. I'd be so rattled.
51:00
Yeah, I was really rattled, but I kept it going.
51:03
But I was really upset. And you know what your Co client
51:07
Bailey spin like she was talking about how like people don't
51:10
think she's rock enough. You know what I mean?
51:11
Like people's perception of just music.
51:13
Especially so annoying. It's like, it's so like, what's
51:17
it called? It's like such a club.
51:19
It's like you have to be, you're not enough yet.
51:20
And it's like, girl, it's just music.
51:22
Like music is supposed to be about like universal, like
51:24
everyone feel these. Artists, right?
51:27
Like I feel like especially like woman artists got so much.
51:30
More my God, don't even get me started.
51:31
It's so like unfair and unfortunate, you know what I
51:33
mean? Like I can't believe damn that's
51:36
I'm sorry that happened but. It's all good.
51:37
It ended up being good like 100 I think.
51:39
I think that man, it really jumped quick.
51:41
Like jump started my career. I do anything whatever, so
51:45
whatever, whatever throwing. No publicity is bad publicity.
51:48
Is Yeah, all publicity is good. Publicity.
51:51
Good publicity. Throw something at us right now
51:53
over the show, OK, OK, that's so cool.
51:57
That's so good. I think especially now that
51:59
you're like going on this next tour and when you're doing your
52:02
own, you feel better. You're safe.
52:04
You know you're not. Worried about that?
52:05
Yeah. And I have my Social Security
52:06
like. Yeah, but now you do.
52:08
Yeah, 100%. OK, We're getting there.
52:10
So with this new album, the four songs that you had released
52:14
prior and you're releasing another one coming up very,
52:16
very, very soon. But out of them, I love Double O
52:20
7. Thank you.
52:21
Oh my God, it's so good. And I think the writing on Devil
52:24
Wears Converse is so clever. When I was listening for the
52:26
first time and you were describing this person and then
52:28
you were like, I was expecting to devil look like this, but it
52:30
ends up looking like you. I was like.
52:32
Yeah, bitch. That is such good, right?
52:34
It's clever writing. I was like, as a songwriter, I
52:37
love clever, smart writing. And then the rhyme schemes and
52:41
sitting with Double O 7, everything's just so good.
52:43
And like, and you know, the vulnerability have all of it is
52:46
so good. Let's talk about those songs.
52:48
Yeah, well, I first of all, I always, I'm trying to be as
52:51
clever as possible. That's like, thank you.
52:53
That's like I'm really always trying to look for like really
52:56
unique concepts. The Devil Wears Converse.
52:58
I actually wrote that song three.
53:00
Sorry. I wrote a song called The Devil
53:02
Wears Converse three years ago because I've had that title in
53:05
my notes app for so long. It didn't quite hit the .3 years
53:11
ago and then so I was, I've always wanted to rewrite it and
53:13
like try to really get it. And I was like, after I wrote it
53:16
this time, I was like, OK, this is exactly it felt like I nailed
53:20
the concept. When you first originally wrote
53:21
it, was it just like a concept you had and then then you
53:24
started living this experience and then you're able to nail it?
53:28
Yes. Got you.
53:29
Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly.
53:31
I think after I left it, it was easier.
53:33
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so that.
53:35
Yeah, actually it's funny because I just realized that
53:41
three of my singles are all movie titles for, yeah, movie
53:46
references. Double 77 is from James Bond and
53:48
then The Punisher is coming out February 27th, I believe.
53:55
Yes, February 27th. One of the things got is on
53:57
February 27th. Yeah, it will be exact that will
54:01
that will be. That's from a movie, The
54:04
Punisher, and it's a comic, I think I actually.
54:07
So during this whole album, Oh my God, after an album in a
54:11
year, I was looking at famous movie titles.
54:14
I Googled famous movie titles because I was like, they're
54:16
great references. If it's a famous movie and it
54:19
was a good concept, it would be a good concept for a song.
54:21
And actually APG taught me that. Shout out Mike Kieran, He told
54:24
me to look at song titles. I mean, he does that.
54:26
Too, she looks at titles and she looks at movie titles and she
54:29
like writes songs around them, which I think is a really strong
54:32
concept. Too.
54:32
Yeah, it's great because like, you know, titles aren't
54:34
copyrighted so you can like, do anything.
54:36
Yeah, You can write any song yeah.
54:39
And so. Yeah.
54:40
So that kind of inspired all of those.
54:43
And it's funny because originally I wanted 007 to be
54:47
like a ballad about like a sad song about like an undercover
54:51
heartbreaker. And I wanted The Punisher to be
54:54
more, more upbeat, and it kind of went the opposite.
55:00
The Punisher's not a ballad by any means, but it's more of like
55:02
an indie pop. Is this the next single?
55:04
Yeah, it'll be the next single. It's actually one of my favorite
55:07
ones, if not my favorite. I do, yeah.
55:09
Really. That's so exciting.
55:10
Yeah, I just like it's. It was one of the first songs
55:13
that I wrote with Andrew. No, it was the first song I
55:15
wrote with Andrew Gold. At the beginning of the project.
55:17
At the beginning of the project, and it was the first time that I
55:22
did the more like clean, like, you know, softer
55:25
singer-songwriter E kind of like rock.
55:29
And yeah, so I was really excited about that.
55:31
And then I kind of, it was kind of like it was one of the
55:33
pillars, I would say, for the album because then I was like, I
55:35
want to make more songs like that.
55:37
And then the other songs that are like that are me with no
55:39
shirt on and hung up on you and you know, other ones like that.
55:42
Like the songs, I kind of define the direction you want the album
55:44
going. I love that.
55:46
So you only have these two producers for this project
55:48
though. I actually had a few other ones.
55:49
I had a different one on Double O 7, this guy named Dana, and
55:52
then another one on Boy Who Doesn't Want to, this guy Gus
55:55
Van Gogh, who's Canadian. And I had another one actually
55:59
on stuff like that, Jordan Pastorino, who he produced my
56:03
first 2 EPS. OK, yeah.
56:05
So actually there's a lot of producers on this.
56:06
I think also because I was very back and forth, Nashville, LA,
56:09
Toronto and I, I was like. I don't have.
56:11
Experience for you? Yeah, I was like, I do not have
56:13
time to like wait till I'm back in Lai need to like do things
56:16
now. Million percent.
56:17
That's the thing. When you're working with one
56:19
person, it's like you have to kind of like.
56:20
Lock in with them. You got to lock in with them
56:22
that week. It's like, used to be like I
56:24
would book a Nashville trip for a week and it's like every
56:27
single day. I'd better fucking get a song
56:29
for this album. Love.
56:30
Yes. So yeah.
56:32
OK, so big question for you. You're talking about the
56:35
pressure of making this next album.
56:37
God forbid a girl spits out her feelings.
56:39
But you said the pressure was coming from making sure it was
56:42
just as good as your debut or better.
56:44
I know you feel like you didn't. You weren't able to finish it
56:46
how you wanted it to. Where would you stand with this
56:48
album right now? Do you think it's just as good
56:50
or do you think it's better? How do you feel?
56:52
I think the album itself is just as good.
56:54
And I think some of the songs are better.
56:56
OK. But I think for my taste, I
56:58
prefer like my favorite songs to listen to are like a little
57:02
softer, I guess. Interesting and sadder and
57:05
maybe. Yeah, I I think that this album
57:07
is a lot more vulnerable and I kind of like say things and I'm
57:12
more. Comfortable saying sounds more
57:13
vulnerable. Did you hear the whole thing or
57:15
just the? Thing I've only heard these 4.
57:16
Percent of 2 I would. Like I would.
57:18
Love to hear. Yeah, yeah.
57:20
But yeah, I I so like. You know Sherlock is like that
57:24
one comes. Up like that.
57:25
I think that's my favorite one on the album.
57:27
Yeah, I think I personally, I think where I am in my life now,
57:31
I like these songs better, but then it's like some songs in the
57:36
old one will always have like Hot Girls in Hell is just like
57:39
my favorite song ever. I mean.
57:40
That's completely fair though. You should love all your work.
57:43
I love that you love all your work too.
57:44
Yeah. I always breaks my heart when
57:45
the audience. Is like, I hate my debut album,
57:47
I hate my first project. Oh my God.
57:49
Which is also. Completely fair, like as you're
57:50
figuring out like your direction and your sound.
57:52
Yeah, like, oh, I put out like my very first EP that I haven't
57:55
even talked about or consider it my first EP called Sweater
57:57
Collection. Do not look it up.
58:00
I hate it. I hate it.
58:01
I'm embarrassed by it. Damn, let's see, I'm working on
58:04
my DB right now, debut right now and I'm really worried that I'm
58:07
like, fuck, I hope this is timeless for me because I would
58:09
hate to look back and be like, oh, I don't like these anymore.
58:11
Yeah, you know what I mean? That's the pressure I feel.
58:13
But you're right, you have your entire life.
58:15
It's already debut so. Yeah, no, I think debut you'll
58:17
you'll be fine because you're like focusing on it more,
58:19
whereas like a little EP. I was just like, yeah, throw it
58:21
out like. 100 OK yeah, you're right, you know, yeah, you have
58:24
to have a lot of intention when it comes to an.
58:25
Hour exactly. I didn't have that much
58:27
intention with my first DPI, was kind of just like putting songs
58:29
out. I mean, completely fair, right?
58:30
I mean, that's kind of the expectation, especially when
58:32
you're starting off. It's like just got to release
58:34
things. 100%. I get that.
58:36
So and Devil Wears Converse, that one's obviously like, well,
58:39
I don't know, obviously, but it's a reference to Devil Wears
58:40
product. Yes.
58:41
OK, OK, that's what I thought. It's so clever.
58:43
Thank you. Yeah.
58:44
I really like that one that I feel like that song on the album
58:49
is the most like the Falling for Robots era.
58:52
Yeah. Oh.
58:53
My gosh, I can totally see that and also love American Zombie.
58:56
Thank you. That one was.
58:57
I've been wanting to write that song for so long because
59:01
basically I had a crazy, crazy thing happened with This
59:05
American Zombie and I've been wanting like I could actually
59:09
never tell the actual story because it would be fucked up.
59:12
But basically I I met somebody in music and had an insane night
59:19
with them and just like getting to know them and like a lot of
59:24
crazy things happened that I wish I can honestly share but I
59:28
think I would get them in trouble.
59:29
I. Have it in the song.
59:30
I have it in the song So he makes you.
59:32
Tighter than his jeans. Yeah, yeah.
59:34
I mean, for me, I'm like, Oh my God, is this so obvious?
59:37
But I don't think anyone's clocked it, so I guess it's not
59:39
obvious. I have no idea who.
59:40
This I'll tell you. You're going to have to tell me
59:44
you you look funny. You are an oversharer.
59:45
Like I think that. When you walked.
59:47
Onto my set. You dropped a giant ball on me.
59:49
I was like, wait, are you OK? No, literally like, I was like,
59:53
hi, I'm Ryan. And you're like.
59:54
And I was like, Oh my God, I'm like, thank you for coming.
59:59
Oh my God. It's weird.
1:00:00
I wish I could share more, but honestly, I think that I, I
1:00:03
prefer to share it through song because, you know, if I was just
1:00:07
sitting here like yapping about every single detail in my life,
1:00:10
I don't think it's as like, I don't know how to.
1:00:13
I wouldn't want people. To listen to the music, because
1:00:14
at first I used to listen to the song over explain what I wrote
1:00:17
or what I did. Yeah.
1:00:18
And I'm like, no, just listen to the song.
1:00:19
And I also think that it's important for people to take
1:00:21
like when I listen to a song and it's, it could be like the most
1:00:24
specific thing and I'm like, oh, this is about me.
1:00:27
Like you make it about yourself. So I love that.
1:00:29
I don't even want to say exactly what it really is about because
1:00:32
then people won't make it about themselves.
1:00:34
And like they won't. They won't be able to see
1:00:36
themselves. They get too deep into the lore
1:00:38
of the song. And I think like, that's the
1:00:39
Taylor Swiftification of like, her music, for example.
1:00:41
Like the fans are more way more concerned about, like, how it's
1:00:45
relating to her versus like, it being like a universal thing.
1:00:48
Yeah. Well, when I write and like, try
1:00:49
to be as specific as possible, like I want it to be about me
1:00:51
because I've had writers be like, you need to make it more
1:00:53
ambiguous. You need to make it more.
1:00:55
Don't do that. I used to do that because I used
1:00:57
to think like, oh, be more relatable if it's more
1:01:00
ambiguous. And I actually noticed in Hot
1:01:02
Girls and how because I was literally like, I say, like you
1:01:05
fill a cup with mostly vodka and some ginger ale, then you start
1:01:07
biting your nails and then you call your mom and it's like, so
1:01:10
let. Me go.
1:01:11
Away it's literally airing out like the subject of the song is
1:01:15
like everyone's going to know it's about me like but they
1:01:18
they. Would be saying that I'm like,
1:01:19
no, nobody knows who you are like.
1:01:21
Let's start there. No one knows.
1:01:22
And literally I remember after that so specific that verse is
1:01:26
so specific and everyone was like you wrote this about me
1:01:29
this to AT this happened and dah dah dah.
1:01:31
And I'm like oh OK, yeah. But then I found, yeah, but we
1:01:35
all have shared experiences. They relate.
1:01:37
And then I find when there's less detail, it's harder for
1:01:39
someone to relate because it's just like ambiguous.
1:01:42
So you don't really put yourself in that.
1:01:44
Yeah, 100. Percent.
1:01:45
So that's when I realized that like the more specific the
1:01:47
better, yeah. And the more relatable which is
1:01:50
you wouldn't think. I completely agree because I
1:01:52
think my favorite songs are the ones where the lyrics are so
1:01:56
specific. They're talking about an
1:01:57
experience, a person, like they're describing it so deeply.
1:01:59
And I'm like, these are my favorite.
1:02:00
Me too. These are my favorite.
1:02:01
Me too. I think for me when I write,
1:02:03
like I always say, like I don't, I want this to be relatable.
1:02:05
I want it to be about me. It's about my experience about
1:02:08
this person. Like I'm not trying to make it
1:02:10
relatable, but like exactly what you said, I find that people end
1:02:13
up relating and they end up like feeling like they can see
1:02:16
themselves in that story. I mean, that's powerful as an
1:02:18
artist. A. 100%.
1:02:19
And that's why it's good to be sensitive and vulnerable and all
1:02:23
of that. OK, so you said me you have no
1:02:25
shirt on is probably your favorite on this.
1:02:27
Well, yeah, one of my favorite Let's.
1:02:30
Talk about that song. So yeah, that song, I mean,
1:02:34
another one my dad loves. Right when you open the verse,
1:02:38
just being in your underwear like you're, you're going there,
1:02:41
you. Paint a picture.
1:02:42
I wrote the idea for it literally while waiting for a
1:02:47
reply to a sexy to a sexy pig. And it's funny because I
1:02:54
actually did get a reply. I do get the reply about like an
1:02:58
hour later. But the whole song was kind of
1:03:01
like boring and waiting for the reply.
1:03:03
It's funny because people are commenting like there's no way
1:03:05
they didn't reply. It's like, yeah, they replied,
1:03:07
but the song is well, they didn't.
1:03:09
And I think that the song, yeah, I think that the song is so cool
1:03:12
because it's taking such a specific moment of like such a
1:03:18
specific thing. But it is just talking about the
1:03:22
feeling of realizing that the person that once liked you, you
1:03:26
can tell they don't like feel the same anymore, losing
1:03:29
interest. And it's just like that broad
1:03:30
thing of the, the pain of how 1 you can tell someone's losing
1:03:35
interest in you. Yeah, but I put it in such a
1:03:37
specific moment and I think that's really cool.
1:03:39
And I've been trying to write like that more.
1:03:42
I have a couple other songs on the album that are like very,
1:03:46
it's like 1 specific moment and I'm making this whole fucking
1:03:49
thing about it. And that goes back to the like
1:03:51
the Princess and the P thing of 100% making a big deal out of a
1:03:54
little little tiny thing. I'd be a little dramatic, so I
1:03:56
completely get it. You're writing for girls like
1:03:58
me, so. Exactly.
1:03:59
Thank you. Yeah, I really like that though.
1:04:01
And I feel like it's such a vulnerable thing, like to talk
1:04:04
about that because like, like you said, it's a specific
1:04:05
instance. And then also that realization
1:04:08
also very universal. Yeah, and devastating.
1:04:10
Yeah, yes, yeah. It's funny because like I was
1:04:12
like, Oh my God, I hope it's not just like relatable to like
1:04:15
girls sending nudes. And I also like, by the way, so
1:04:17
much deeper. Don't send nudes.
1:04:18
It's terrible idea. Yeah, terrible idea.
1:04:21
If anything only to your boyfriend or girlfriend, but but
1:04:24
just don't send it. It's it's a terrible idea.
1:04:26
Like I'm like, I don't want to be the person that's like
1:04:29
promoting sending nudes. Don't do that.
1:04:30
I don't. Even I never took that long as
1:04:32
that. I never took that time.
1:04:33
I was like vulnerable, yeah. Because I I don't want it to be
1:04:36
that. Yeah.
1:04:36
Reflecting on. Feelings.
1:04:37
But then I feel like so many, like, straight guys are just
1:04:42
like, I'm fucking vibing to this song and there's no way that
1:04:45
they're sending pictures of their tits because they don't
1:04:48
have tits. But they.
1:04:50
But it's just the universal feeling of realizing someone's
1:04:52
losing interest in you. Yeah.
1:04:53
And that's so scary and that's such a real thing too.
1:04:55
And to experience that, like, I think you captured it so well in
1:04:58
that, especially just like with the imagery and like, obviously
1:05:00
like the premise of it, but it's like that's a vulnerable thing
1:05:02
to start with, you know? And then detaching from that
1:05:05
feeling and all of it. I'm so excited for this entire
1:05:08
project. So Punishers coming out, you
1:05:10
said. This one's probably definitely
1:05:11
your favorite. Honey Shirt and me with no shirt
1:05:14
on and Lobotomy and you, I think are my like top three in terms
1:05:18
of just like the ones that really hit me in the fields.
1:05:20
Yeah, yeah. When did you end up finishing
1:05:22
the album? You said you had a year to do
1:05:24
it. Like when was it turned in
1:05:25
master? Turned in and I think October
1:05:27
2nd or something. OK, so you've been living with
1:05:29
these songs for a while. Now I've been living with them,
1:05:31
Yeah, yeah. So I'm kind of like keep going
1:05:32
back and forth on my favourites. Now I'm just like dumbest girl
1:05:36
in the world is also kind of my favorite.
1:05:37
You're. Like actually I really love.
1:05:39
All. I think I kind of love all of
1:05:40
them. There's a few.
1:05:41
Yeah, Yeah. Wait.
1:05:42
How many songs? How long did you make for the
1:05:43
project because you ended up with 13.
1:05:45
Yeah, I probably made like 20, OK.
1:05:49
And then I was like. And some of them are gonna go on
1:05:51
the deluxe. Some of them are gonna go on the
1:05:54
deluxe for sure, and then some. I'm like, I don't like this
1:05:56
anymore. That's fair.
1:05:57
Yeah. There's so many that just go on
1:05:59
the toilet. It happens.
1:06:00
Yeah. Oh my gosh.
1:06:01
Well, we're so excited for the album.
1:06:03
Thank you. And then I think being
1:06:05
vulnerable and sharing everything, like, I think being
1:06:07
able to tap into, like, your Diaries and your mind.
1:06:10
I love, like, I'm nosy as fuck. I love hearing.
1:06:15
That's so good. We're excited.
1:06:16
Yeah. Thank you.
1:06:17
OK, so you gave really good advice about not sending nudes.
1:06:20
We agree. We're not sending nudes.
1:06:22
But I want to know what advice you have for some of the delulu
1:06:25
besties. They submitted some questions
1:06:27
and we're going to give our advice.
1:06:29
OK, so this is WWADGD. What would the delulu girl do?
1:06:32
And Lolo and I are going to give our or delulu advice on what we
1:06:37
think you should do. Oh.
1:06:37
My God. OK, so this is delulu advice.
1:06:39
This is like advice I would give Leah.
1:06:40
OK, yeah, it is advice you would give Leah.
1:06:42
Let's go with that. I love it.
1:06:44
OK, so first question from Anonymous Bestie.
1:06:47
I'm way more into my boyfriend than he's into me.
1:06:49
What should I do? This is so hard because my mom
1:06:52
always says that the guy your boyfriend should be more into
1:06:55
you and honestly it should be a turn off if someone's not into
1:06:58
you like. Yeah, like why are you not?
1:07:00
Obsessed. Why?
1:07:01
Yeah, if you're not obsessed with me, that's a turn.
1:07:03
Off like you don't. Care.
1:07:04
Yeah, I think so. But I get that sometimes.
1:07:06
I think people want what they can't have and that will make
1:07:09
them want them more. But I think that you need to
1:07:13
like honestly just sort of therapy.
1:07:15
And we're talking about self worth and self respect.
1:07:17
And I think, like, you need to have self respect and self worth
1:07:20
and like, if you're more obsessed with him, no, like,
1:07:23
just like ghost to him or something.
1:07:25
Yeah. Or like, take a step back.
1:07:28
Like, I mean, this is so playing games.
1:07:30
But what I would do in this situation is I'd probably like,
1:07:32
not I'd, I'd stop texting. I would, like, pretend that I'm
1:07:35
not into him. Yeah.
1:07:37
But really, that healthy decision is probably like, break
1:07:40
up with him, I guess. But you probably don't want to
1:07:42
because you're obsessed with him.
1:07:43
Totally. But I think the main thing is
1:07:46
you should be turned off if someone's not obsessed with you.
1:07:48
Yeah, big red flag. Big red flag. 1,000,000%.
1:07:51
Yeah, and you deserve someone to be obsessed with you.
1:07:53
Yeah. That's a really good answer.
1:07:55
Not to Lulu at all. OK.
1:07:57
I think I'll play a game. Yeah, I think I'd be like, I
1:07:59
think I I can make them obsessed with me.
1:08:00
Yeah, I can get them really into me.
1:08:02
I think that's what I would. Do.
1:08:03
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, well yours is a lot better.
1:08:05
And why are you old? So let's go of yours.
1:08:06
Let's. Go because I started therapy
1:08:08
honestly. We have another anonymous bestie
1:08:10
asking. I was really into this guy at
1:08:11
first but I'm losing interest. Should I ghost him?
1:08:16
OK, well, in this situation, I think don't ghost, but it
1:08:19
depends like are you dating? Are you just talking?
1:08:22
But I think that like, I don't believe in ghosting full stop.
1:08:26
Oh, really? I'm a big ghoster.
1:08:28
I think that like you could just be like a little dry and they'll
1:08:31
get the hint. And then I guess if they don't
1:08:32
get the hint, I, I've once said to someone like, I'm so sorry,
1:08:35
I'm not interested. And it was really hard, so
1:08:37
uncomfortable. It wasn't hard because they were
1:08:38
such an asshole. I went on one date with this guy
1:08:40
and he was, he was, Oh my God, I, I couldn't believe he even
1:08:44
asked for a second one because they went so poorly.
1:08:46
And normally I can like act and pretend that the dates going
1:08:48
well, but I was so turned off by him that I, I was silent.
1:08:51
I, I was like, I don't even, I don't even want.
1:08:54
I, I can't like normally I would put energy and I would make them
1:08:57
have the best time ever, which is honestly probably bad too,
1:08:59
but I don't want to be awkward at the time.
1:09:02
But yeah, if you're losing interest, I think it's nicer to
1:09:06
just like cut it off rather than like give them false hope.
1:09:09
So either ghost or just like fade out or if you have the, you
1:09:16
know, the balls to say like, don't I, I'm not really feeling
1:09:21
this any more than say it. Yeah, even though they might get
1:09:23
offended, I think the best thing to do is yeah, I think the.
1:09:26
Best thing is, but I think with men, I'm like, I'm like, yeah,
1:09:29
like. I think just start acting dry or
1:09:31
like I'm busy, I'm busy, can we hang out?
1:09:33
I'm busy they'll. So like a soft.
1:09:35
Ghost, a soft ghost and normal people will get the hint I
1:09:38
think. OK.
1:09:39
I like that. That's actually good.
1:09:40
Because they'll be, they'll be turned off that they're not into
1:09:42
you, that you're not into them. You would think, but remember
1:09:45
the first first question. Yeah.
1:09:47
It kind of relates to the first question.
1:09:49
Imagine these are two. They're the two people they're.
1:09:52
Asking about each other. That's so funny.
1:09:55
Well, they're all fans of delulu, so I wouldn't be
1:09:57
surprised. Yeah.
1:09:58
OK, Period. OK, we have the last question
1:10:00
here. So I'm really into this guy.
1:10:03
Do you think it would take like a genius for them to know that?
1:10:06
I would I mean it depends are you it depends how you're
1:10:11
acting. I feel like when I'm into
1:10:12
someone it does not take a genius or really quoting Leah
1:10:15
Hair when I I. Was like, wait, did you catch
1:10:18
that? Rob Yeah, we did OK.
1:10:20
Yeah, I wasn't sure if you were doing it on.
1:10:21
Purpose or not. OK, yeah, I was like, wait,
1:10:23
maybe she's actually. Oh, yeah, no, no, I, I, I
1:10:26
clocked that. But I was like, I didn't know if
1:10:27
it was on purpose. Yes, that.
1:10:29
Was my question. OK, yeah, yeah, I I think it
1:10:31
shouldn't. Take a.
1:10:32
Genius. It shouldn't take a genius.
1:10:35
Yeah, I love that. Shouldn't.
1:10:36
OK, period. I think kind of same.
1:10:37
I'm like super obvious when I like.
1:10:38
Someone. Yeah.
1:10:39
Oh my God, yeah. Right.
1:10:40
Yeah, OK, love that. Well, what is your most delulu
1:10:44
take? What would you say is the most
1:10:46
delusional thing you think? I think the most delusional
1:10:50
thing I think is that just like everything is going to work out
1:10:52
for me always. That's why I'm delusional and
1:10:54
everything that does work out. Sometimes you have to.
1:10:57
Drink at you, you go viral. Yeah, sometimes you have to be
1:10:59
delusional because you have to, because otherwise, like you
1:11:03
can't cope with like anything less.
1:11:06
No, you can't, I think. Especially in this industry and
1:11:09
the career you want and the things that you do and being a
1:11:10
performer, you have to be delusional, yeah, to want it.
1:11:13
And you have to be delusional to make it happen.
1:11:14
Yeah, exactly. You, you really have to be.
1:11:16
And like I, I've been working on that because I, I feel like I
1:11:20
used to be a lot more like, oh, it's not going to work out.
1:11:22
No, Leah actually really like she's so delusional, so
1:11:28
delusional that and she just, and she makes it happen for
1:11:31
herself. And I think that's something
1:11:33
that I've really that I really respect about her and that I've
1:11:37
that I've taken upon myself to being that.
1:11:40
Like, for instance, Speaking of Grammy week, like last year
1:11:44
there was this party, the Universal party is like one of
1:11:47
the best parties and everyone wants to go to it.
1:11:49
And we weren't invited because we're not on Universal.
1:11:51
So it makes sense. And she was like, we're going to
1:11:54
the party. I was like, how we're not
1:11:56
invited. The guest list is so strict.
1:11:58
It's like Sabrina Carpenter and, you know, like all the.
1:12:00
Universals. Yeah, yeah.
1:12:02
And she's like, wait, no, we'll just go and like we'll pretend
1:12:06
we're on the list and I'm like, that's not going to happen,
1:12:08
girl. Like I'm not paying for glam, my
1:12:10
hair and makeup, getting an outfit to just be to be rejected
1:12:13
at no for a no for a no. I was like, we're not.
1:12:16
That's not happening. And basically what happened was
1:12:20
it was two years ago, because last year the fires actually, so
1:12:23
there was no party, but it was pouring rain.
1:12:26
And this is another reason I was like.
1:12:27
I remember the Grammy week that it.
1:12:29
Was like lighting in Lai was like, I was like, I'm not, I'm
1:12:32
not going. I'm not.
1:12:33
She's like, we're going get your makeup on.
1:12:35
Worst case, we're going to take hot pictures.
1:12:36
I was like, oh, OK, well, don't, don't tap me with a good time.
1:12:40
Like, so we get all dressed up, We go in an Uber Black to look
1:12:44
like we're more important than we are.
1:12:46
And we arrive in full glam looking like we belong there,
1:12:51
looking like we belong there. Security open store.
1:12:54
They're like, go, go, go, go. They rush us in with an
1:12:56
umbrellas because it's pouring. They don't even ask us to check
1:13:00
in. They go, you're walking the
1:13:01
carpet, right? We're like, yeah.
1:13:03
And we end up walking the carpet.
1:13:05
All of a sudden we're on the carpet.
1:13:06
All the people are like, what's your name?
1:13:08
Lolo. Lolo Lolo, the paparazzi.
1:13:10
We're like, what the fuck? We get in.
1:13:12
We're like, how did that happen? And my bubble, this is like,
1:13:17
don't do that again. And Charlie, I got ridden in
1:13:22
like Billboard's best dressed at the party.
1:13:26
Bitch that's so fucking crazy. That's a good story.
1:13:29
Yeah. And so that really taught me to
1:13:31
be delusional, be. Delusional look at.
1:13:33
That yeah, I have a song on my album called Delusional Darling
1:13:35
also, which is which is about we're.
1:13:37
Gonna have to listen, we're all streaming that one.
1:13:38
Yeah, and just about being delusional because it's just
1:13:41
easier than facing the truth. 100% and then you can make it
1:13:45
happen for you. So you manifested that?
1:13:46
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's honestly it's.
1:13:49
Very LA too. It was when I told all my
1:13:51
friends that they were like, that is insane.
1:13:53
I'm gagged. Yeah, and everyone's like, how
1:13:55
did you get into the party? And you're.
1:13:56
I was like, you won't believe it.
1:13:57
I just walked in like I. Honestly don't believe it
1:14:00
myself. Yeah, I hope Universal doesn't
1:14:01
hear this 'cause I, I, I'm really sorry, but don't worry,
1:14:04
we didn't, we didn't go to the you're invited to anything.
1:14:07
We didn't waste any of your money.
1:14:08
So. Yes, it worked out.
1:14:09
You're on the. Way we're just chilling.
1:14:11
We're just chilling. Yeah, there you.
1:14:12
Go. That's free publicity.
1:14:13
Yeah, and now I'm signed to Concord, which runs Universal,
1:14:17
so. So really, everything is OK, all
1:14:20
is forgiven. OK, guys, wait, that's such a
1:14:22
good story. Yeah, that's a good one.
1:14:24
OK. But well, Lolo, this has been so
1:14:26
fucking fun. Are you kidding me?
1:14:28
I've had the best time talking. My God, I love you.
1:14:30
I love. You, but you're.
1:14:32
So fun. I need you to come back and then
1:14:33
also Leah needs. Going to do a panel, yeah?
1:14:36
We need to, well we close out every show by manifesting
1:14:39
together. Is there anything you want to
1:14:40
speak into existence here on the Lulu right now?
1:14:43
I'm going to speak into existence that my album is going
1:14:45
to do amazing, Yes, already done, get some viral songs on
1:14:49
there and that every tour, I every tour I put tickets on sale
1:14:54
too. We'll sell out.
1:14:55
It's already selling out, yeah. So.
1:14:57
OK, I'm manifesting that you're going to do AUS leg of your
1:15:00
tour. Because I want to see in LA it's
1:15:01
happening so. OK, there you go.
1:15:04
Being delusional works. Yeah, period.
1:15:06
OK, I'm cleaning that. I'm going to go to the LA show.
1:15:08
Yes, please. I'll put you on the list.
1:15:09
Oh. My God, you don't have to.
1:15:10
I'll buy a ticket. I'm really into supporting.
1:15:12
I'll buy a ticket. I'll buy a ticket, but I'm
1:15:15
excited to see you. Yeah, I'm excited to see you.
1:15:17
Well, well, this was so fucking amazing, and you have to come
1:15:21
back. You're obviously going to bring
1:15:22
Leah. We're supposed to call her.
1:15:23
But I know we never did. It's OK, she's has a personal
1:15:26
training session now anyways. You're going to see her after
1:15:28
this anyway, so you'll tell her all about it.
1:15:30
But thank you so much to all the delulu besties for watching this
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1:15:37
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1:15:57
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1:16:01
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