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Tom Althouse Deposition Part 1a · Tom Althouse Podcast

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  Speaker 1: M all house.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you got both the fidle.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Hello Anthony Rank found about house, Hilanda, Linda, Nice
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  Speaker 3: to meet you.
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  Speaker 4: Hi when the child.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas children?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 4: What would you like?
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  Speaker 4: Any water regular?
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  Speaker 1: Father has to go had no. So this is not funny.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing that when they do refer to.
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  Speaker 9: One set some way the.
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  Speaker 3: Less complicated then, and uh, I wanted to give you
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  Speaker 3: something to supplement. I'm not gonna give it to you,
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  Speaker 3: but so to you. He Uh, Tom just found this
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  Speaker 3: old envelope, whether there or two ago and moving houses
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  Speaker 3: and it turned up and so it's to supplement our production.
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  Speaker 3: We'll make you a copy, but I wanted to make
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  Speaker 3: sure to get to it for the deposition and we
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  Speaker 3: it's something he mailed to himself back in ninety three.
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  Speaker 3: It okay, says script, do not open. Apparently it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have a script. It may have been open, although it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't ripped across here. But anyway, we can open
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  Speaker 3: it during the deposition if you like and see what's inside.
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  Speaker 1: He he hasn't opened it since he found this the
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  Speaker 1: other day.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that would probably make the most sense. Or
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  Speaker 10: we can, you know, open it off the record and
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  Speaker 10: then say on the record what happened. But that would
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  Speaker 10: there's no question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can ask about it. He just doesn't recall
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  Speaker 3: opening up to better the guy out the stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Ready, when you are what your recond please put your
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  Speaker 4: microphone to the clip a microphone, Thank you, just a
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  Speaker 4: mother please in the morning.
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  Speaker 11: This is the video takes the deposition of Thomas Aldhouse
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  Speaker 11: taken at seven twenty five South Bigueroa Street in Los Angeles, California,
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  Speaker 11: on December the thirteenth of the year twenty thirteen, in
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  Speaker 11: the matter of Thomas Auldhouse Versus Warner Brothers Entertainment, Inc.
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  Speaker 11: At All Case number C B one three DASH six
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  Speaker 11: nine six R G K parentheses, S.
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  Speaker 4: S small ex closed parentheses.
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  Speaker 11: This case is being heard in the United States District Court,
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  Speaker 11: Central District of California.
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  Speaker 4: Western Division. This deposition is on behalf of the defendant.
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  Speaker 11: My name is Heidi Fielding with Dean Jones, Attorney, Video
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  Speaker 11: Services of Los Angeles and Santa Anna, California. This deposition
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  Speaker 11: is commencing at nine forty two a MS with all present.
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  Speaker 11: Please identify themselves beginning with the deponent.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Thomas Ark bald House, and I've has
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  Speaker 1: attorney Anthony.
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  Speaker 12: Rakin lyndle Borough for uh defendant Warner Brothers Entertainment and
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  Speaker 12: with me as Kitchell for Warner or S or cour Befourd.
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  Speaker 11: Today is Tennapete, Jane McCoy or neighbor respond how if
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  Speaker 11: you didn't, minister Field.
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  Speaker 13: Mister rold House, if I could ask you place to
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  Speaker 13: raise your right hand up?
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  Speaker 1: What she wanted to know?
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  Speaker 13: You do sell them this story that the testimony you
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  Speaker 13: are about to give you to day would be the truth.
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  Speaker 1: The whole truth. And I think up the truth so
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  Speaker 1: soon that is that's it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning, mister roald House. What did have you been
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  Speaker 4: deposed before?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: I had on how many occasions?
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  Speaker 1: On what? And when?
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  Speaker 14: Was that?
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  Speaker 1: Uh too best marri Galastcan. That was back in between
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  Speaker 1: the period nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety three?
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  Speaker 4: And what was the were you party to that lawsuit?
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  Speaker 1: I was a plaintiff in that lawsuit?
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  Speaker 2: And what was that law?
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  Speaker 1: What was the subject under that lost subject matter was
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  Speaker 1: the university?
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  Speaker 6: I had been attending grad school and uh, there was
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  Speaker 6: a suit brought against the school and certain.
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  Speaker 1: Parties of that school.
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  Speaker 10: And what were the allegations in mess to allegation or
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  Speaker 10: slender Agnar's conspiracy charge.
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  Speaker 4: Do you recall what court that lawsuit was in.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that it was in I believe
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  Speaker 1: the Virginia Beach area. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And do was that lawsuit ultimately settle or did it
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  Speaker 4: go to trial? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: It went to trial then it was dismissed. Uh, good
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  Speaker 1: way through a trial, sister old tups.
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  Speaker 4: Will you move your microphone down? It's turned over on.
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  Speaker 1: The lit summer that thing? Would you like it over here?
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  Speaker 4: That would be okay, thank you?
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  Speaker 6: And what university was that I could Tealigerate referred to
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  Speaker 6: or prior to the trial as uh CBN University.
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  Speaker 1: Uh in the midst and the course of action they
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  Speaker 1: changed the name to Regent University.
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  Speaker 4: And what were you studying at Region University?
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  Speaker 1: The best recollection? It was film studies as well as
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  Speaker 1: drama and that aquted course of answer of writing?
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  Speaker 4: And was that an undergraduate program or a graduate or
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  Speaker 4: graduate studies?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: Now one we jumped right in, So let me back
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  Speaker 10: up al briefly and and UH talk a little bit
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  Speaker 10: about the rules of the road here. Although this looks
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  Speaker 10: somewhat like a meeting, it is not. Uh, you realize
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  Speaker 10: you're under oath as if you were in court.
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  Speaker 6: I A yes or no?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: The court reporter is taking down everything we say, and
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  Speaker 4: his record is.
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  Speaker 10: The official record of this deposition, and that has two
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  Speaker 10: important implications.
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  Speaker 4: The first is it's very important that we not talk
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  Speaker 4: over each other. So although often you will know exactly
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  Speaker 4: where my question is going, it's important that you let
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  Speaker 4: me finish my question before you answer. You'll also probably
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  Speaker 4: wanna give a brief moment just in case.
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  Speaker 10: Your your attorney may want to object and n before
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  Speaker 10: you answer by the same token, I will do everything.
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  Speaker 4: I can not to jump on the end of your
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  Speaker 4: answer with my next question. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: The other important implication of the fact that the court
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  Speaker 10: reporter is taking everything down is that.
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  Speaker 15: You will uh need to answer with words uh whatever
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  Speaker 15: The answer is a yes, a no, and I don't
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  Speaker 15: know or a longer explanation, but uh huh and uh
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  Speaker 15: uh and headshakes don't reflect on the record.
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  Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: Of course?
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  Speaker 9: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: A few other uh rules here anytime you need a break,
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  Speaker 10: just take one, uh ask me first, but.
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  Speaker 4: We'll take one.
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  Speaker 10: The only uh, the only caveat would be that, uh,
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  Speaker 10: if there's a question pending, I'll ask you to answer
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  Speaker 10: the question before we take a break.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, And.
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  Speaker 10: UH if you don't understand my question, please ask me
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  Speaker 10: to rephrase it.
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  Speaker 4: If you answer my question, I'll presume you understood it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: At the conclusion of this deposition, Uh, the court reporter
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  Speaker 4: will compile the testimony into a booklet. You'll have the
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to review that booklet and make any changes.
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  Speaker 9: Uh.
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  Speaker 10: However, if you do make changes or corrections, I'll have
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  Speaker 10: the I'll be able to comment that is at trial.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll need your best testimony today. Okay, absolutely, okay.
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  Speaker 10: And then lastly, uh, well we may it uh be well.
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  Speaker 10: I may ask you for questions for which you don't
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  Speaker 10: know the precisely answer. I don't want you to speculate,
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  Speaker 10: but I am a title to.
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  Speaker 4: Your best estimate and your best recollection. And do you
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  Speaker 4: understand the distinction?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay.
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  Speaker 10: Now we were talking about, uh, your your studies at
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  Speaker 10: Regent University. Did you complete that program?
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  Speaker 1: I was not able to.
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  Speaker 4: And when did you leave.
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  Speaker 1: Regent the best of my recollection, that was nineteen eighty eight.
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  Speaker 4: And when you say you were not able to wait.
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  Speaker 1: To say my studies were terminated.
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  Speaker 4: By the university?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and on what grants? That's the difficult part to answer, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and every hard that's the reason for the tribe.
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  Speaker 4: What grounds were stated to you?
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  Speaker 6: It was suggested to me the best amount knowledge that
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  Speaker 6: I had volunteered to in my studies, and.
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  Speaker 4: That was not true.
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  Speaker 1: From my perspective and from what I don't it is
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  Speaker 1: not true.
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  Speaker 4: What do you believe the reason your studies were terminated
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  Speaker 4: to be?
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  Speaker 6: The studies were terminated, to the best of my knowledge
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  Speaker 6: because of the incident that occurred with their associate.
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  Speaker 1: Dean, which that you don't about to be public. And
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  Speaker 1: what was that in.
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  Speaker 4: That is it's the approacherate.
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  Speaker 1: On that the trip alone, which was against school policy or.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, And other than this deposition in your lawsuit against
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  Speaker 10: Regent University.
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  Speaker 4: You've never been to post now there are otherwise been deposed, correct,
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  Speaker 4: so best my knowledge that.
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  Speaker 12: Ever, other than your lawsuit against Regent University, if ever
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  Speaker 12: been a party to a lot suit, there.
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  Speaker 1: Was a suit fraud against the paper that was allowed
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  Speaker 1: to come to the trial.
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  Speaker 16: That energy in the selling and the suit brought by you. Yes,
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  Speaker 16: what was that paper the Virginia Pilot. I believe it's
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  Speaker 16: the correct name of paper.
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  Speaker 4: And what were your allegations against the Virginia.
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  Speaker 6: Pilot false for the best of my knowledge, false recording
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  Speaker 6: which least the detrimentals of my character?
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  Speaker 10: And you said that matters settled, they agreed to retract.
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  Speaker 10: Was there any money paid play a mass for anybody?
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  Speaker 17: Alright?
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  Speaker 4: Mis er old house? How did you prepare for your
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  Speaker 4: definition today?
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  Speaker 1: I have agreed to talk with my attorney.
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  Speaker 4: Did you play in together?
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  Speaker 1: We flew in together?
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  Speaker 10: About how long did you discuss the matters that would
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  Speaker 10: straight babu?
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  Speaker 4: How long did you was your discussion with your attorney
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  Speaker 4: related to preparation.
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  Speaker 6: For your domination?
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  Speaker 1: I'd said it was pretty.
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  Speaker 4: Brief, more than half an hour?
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  Speaker 1: All at all? Containment? Say not okay?
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  Speaker 4: And uh did you review any documents in preparation for
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  Speaker 4: your deposition?
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  Speaker 6: To best knowledge? Basically only uh lae I was asked
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  Speaker 6: to look at and I did?
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  Speaker 1: And what was that block entry?
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  Speaker 4: And that was the truth about the matrix?
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  Speaker 10: I believe that's the time, right, and that's the only
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  Speaker 10: document you reviewed in preparation for your deposition your reledge, Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 10: And other than your attorney, did you discuss your deposition
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  Speaker 10: with anyone?
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  Speaker 1: No, except to the extent of whether there was going
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  Speaker 1: to be one with friends.
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  Speaker 4: That's your old times. Are you currently employed? I am
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  Speaker 4: currently employed and uh by whom I.
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  Speaker 1: Believe there probably would be the grand by Land, which
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  Speaker 1: is also both by the Hilton family.
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  Speaker 4: And what do you do with the grand one Land?
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  Speaker 6: I am a uh children's counselor also I formed that
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  Speaker 6: I'm call upon to designing programming.
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  Speaker 4: Do you mean design programming?
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  Speaker 6: They have special events such as Christmas programs and such,
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  Speaker 6: and they often ask me to come up with themes
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  Speaker 6: and also uh content?
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  Speaker 4: And was that a full time job?
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  Speaker 1: This lists this part time, but it's the time.
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  Speaker 4: And how long have you worked at the Party of
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  Speaker 4: war Lives?
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  Speaker 6: The best way ledge, I would say this past Christmas
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  Speaker 6: is when I started.
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  Speaker 1: Right around that time.
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  Speaker 4: And other than your employment at the grand why they
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  Speaker 4: at are you? Are you still involved in, for example,
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  Speaker 4: in the theater?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, okay?
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  Speaker 1: And what is that involved in currently? It's I.
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  Speaker 6: Involved in a co production a later piece that I
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  Speaker 6: wrote the word Wars, which is going to be performed
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  Speaker 6: in their season uh at the historically out theater uh two.
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  Speaker 1: Weekends in April, the historic what's called the Historic yeah theater.
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  Speaker 4: As for I A, oh thank you and that you
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  Speaker 4: said that's the worth morse.
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  Speaker 10: The worth morse is the title mkay and w When
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  Speaker 10: you said the coll production of work, did you mean
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  Speaker 10: by that?
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  Speaker 6: It's how they phrased it. It's a the joint venture
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  Speaker 6: between the theater and myself.
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  Speaker 4: Is ald House Play still active?
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  Speaker 1: Is still active?
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  Speaker 4: What is ald House place?
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  Speaker 6: Ald House Plays? The best my knowledge is uh a
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  Speaker 6: service where I've written a number of children's musicals, children's
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  Speaker 6: plays that have been uh performed throughout Hawaii and they
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  Speaker 6: are available. And it also includes now bonding work that's
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  Speaker 6: being developed and also being performed.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I've seen in documents that you describe yourself as
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  Speaker 4: an award winning playwright. What awards have you won for
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  Speaker 4: your playwright?
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  Speaker 6: Just recently I won oh cool word? That was for
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  Speaker 6: performing in a play that I helped with at the
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  Speaker 6: Fringe festival. Uh deteck the data again, I believe he
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  Speaker 6: was twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 4: Was that for Reflections?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Very good.
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  Speaker 4: And Reflections is not a play.
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  Speaker 1: You wrote my play. I helped advice on him? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean? Helped advise on the author asked
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  Speaker 1: for my inn place on to help the airport.
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  Speaker 4: And who was the elethor?
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  Speaker 1: His name is Joel Agne? To Western All Joel what Agne? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And any other awards you received for playwriting.
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  Speaker 1: Script writing? I was working on.
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  Speaker 6: In Colonia, Wiisburg a piece I believe was entitled bringing
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  Speaker 6: a Town to Life and it won if I I
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  Speaker 6: was taken the National award.
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  Speaker 1: UH from off to look at what that was, but
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  Speaker 1: they said. What I was told was that the Smithsonian.
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  Speaker 6: Won the won for over fifty thousand dollar budget or so,
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  Speaker 6: and we won the one that was under it. And
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  Speaker 6: I was in charge of scriptwriting and casting voices.
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  Speaker 1: For the production.
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  Speaker 4: And when was this?
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  Speaker 1: The best of my knowledge, it would be preceding two thousand.
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  Speaker 4: Any other writing awards.
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  Speaker 1: I believe there are. I can't recollect it this time,
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  Speaker 1: but if you would have family to look into that.
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  Speaker 4: And what about awards for acting?
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  Speaker 6: Here at in California, I was cast in Allen Gears
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  Speaker 6: Midsummer Dream, and I believe it was the la quickly
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  Speaker 6: it gave us.
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  Speaker 1: Credits pick for that performance. Also that how cool? Word again?
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  Speaker 4: Anything else?
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  Speaker 1: Like? I? There are what the best of my recollection
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  Speaker 1: I can recalling this time.
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  Speaker 4: Is hard tours still active?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's long.
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  Speaker 4: Alright, let's go back and little hit. Did you graduate
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  Speaker 4: high school?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry? Didn't graduate from high school?
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  Speaker 4: And where was that.
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  Speaker 1: Central Blocks West High School? Nineteen seventy seven?
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  Speaker 6: Sorry?
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  Speaker 4: Central?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 4: West?
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  Speaker 1: Central Blocks West High School?
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  Speaker 4: I I didn't miss I missed the second.
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  Speaker 1: Word after some bucks ucks?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Central Bucks West?
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  Speaker 1: And where is that? That is located in near Doylestown, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: In what year? Did you graduate? Nineteen seventy eight seven?
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  Speaker 2: And then?
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  Speaker 17: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Did you go immediately to undergrad?
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  Speaker 1: The best myologies?
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  Speaker 18: I did?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 1: Where did you go Millersville Millersville State University? I believe
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  Speaker 1: it is the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 4: Did you graduate from Millersville State University?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 4: I left at Okay, how long were you there?
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  Speaker 6: If I don't recall exactly the length of time like
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  Speaker 6: I would be mistaken if I try to selldate?
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  Speaker 1: Probably right now? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And did you when you left Millersville State? Did you
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  Speaker 4: continue your education?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 6: Did you go to Bostonta Community College? And best of
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  Speaker 6: my knowledge for some classes and I finished my undergrad
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  Speaker 6: at Messiah College. What I believe history the communications.
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  Speaker 4: And what year did you graduate?
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  Speaker 1: Best my knowledge would be here from around fifteen eighty five.
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  Speaker 4: And after you finished college? What what after you finished undergrad.
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  Speaker 17: What did you do?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 6: There was a period of time and that I went
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  Speaker 6: to do rad school at CBA University.
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  Speaker 1: And what was my name?
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  Speaker 4: You told me at CBN you were in the film
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  Speaker 4: Studies drama program.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that is correct.
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  Speaker 4: Outside of your time at CBN, have you taken any
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  Speaker 4: courses in screenwriting.
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  Speaker 1: To the best money elge? I take it in number
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  Speaker 1: of courses studies that they were don tho classes they
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  Speaker 1: were think that you would page they go to or
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  Speaker 1: you would be attending like a seminar things like that.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, which ones have you? Can you recall any specific
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  Speaker 4: seminars that you've attended?
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  Speaker 1: There were ones for attitude, there were ones for I'd
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  Speaker 1: have to rope here into it. I cannot recall this
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  Speaker 1: time once polies.
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  Speaker 10: Were Can you recall the last time that you took
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  Speaker 10: any sort of c class or seminar in screenwriting?
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: The one that stands out the most was at the
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: University South it was an official class.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: On screen writing.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: It it was an official class or.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Was not well, no longer in the class, so I
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  Speaker 1: recob to it as was.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, and that was at cd CD University.
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: That reeg in university, either undergrad or graduate school? Did
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: you take any literature courses?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Did you meet English classes in such?
• 28:43
  Speaker 19: Yes?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Did you do you recall what genres of literature you study?
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: I remember studying that's to my knowledge of Russian literature,
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: screenwriting or classics, fundamentals.
• 29:20
  Speaker 17: Elements.
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: Uh?
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Have you ever taken a course in science fiction?
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: Course in science fiction? I believe science fiction was included
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: in the curriculum.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Not too radio badly?
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: Do you recall at can you recall any what would
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: it you s they did? Reading on your science fiction?
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: The genre that you read?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I would? What do you mean how I would?
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I have a certain questions when you say I would.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Do you do you currently read science fiction? No?
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Currently?
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Did you you did?
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: In undergrad and grad school?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I would read the certain books?
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Have you ever read a new romancer?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I don't even know, like how it is?
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: Kay?
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of William Gibson?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I've not heard that name before?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Have you ever read any Philip K.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Dick, I don't know that name.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Have you read uh any Arthur C. Clerk No, like not.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Have you read the Dune novels?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Not not.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Have you read the Lord of the Rings books.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I've read the Lord of the Rings.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: When did you read the Lord of the Rings?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I believe it was when I was just out of
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: high school.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Have you read the Harry Potter books?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: No? I had not.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Have you ever studied opera?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I had opera training.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: When was that the that's the my knowledge that was.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: After you write in school.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Have you appeared in opris?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Uh? The best way knowledge? It was considered light opera.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: And what was that?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I'll have to check into what that exactly was? You
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: remember being told?
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Do you call the title of the production?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: There's been so many productions that you did.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Are you familiar with the Ring cycle?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Pa, you familiar fam Ing cycle?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: What do you know about the Ring Cycle?
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: It was written by Bogner. It's very long and very extensive.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: It's a classic German romantic clauda.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Are you familiar with any other Vogner operas only by
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: name in the past. Have you ever been paid for
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: script writing?
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I have for what.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: First one was in CBAT University.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: And what was the name of that script.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I did? It was called Church Wars?
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: And that's something you wrote, something that I was writing against.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: What do you mean it was something I was writing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I was under contract to writing and under contract with him.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I believe their organization was people to people if but.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Not mistaken, Kay, did you finish that script?
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: The events that happened at CBN University caused determination.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Of the contract.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: And what happened to that script?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Why do you not know?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Do you have it?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I have copies of of all through yes?
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: And was it ever produced?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: What do you not know?
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Do you know who owns the rights? And Church Wars?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: If I had a contract that it lists the information
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that did not know much of me or that alright?
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: And then after Church Well, let me ask you this,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: how did that contract come about?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: The parties?
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: There were parties company and it came to me and
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: said that he thought it was the best script writer
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: in the entire university in network and.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Asked me to do it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: And how did he know that you were the best
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: script writer in the universe?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: That was his opinion?
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: But what do you know? What he had seemed to
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: know that or to form that opinion.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I was writing pieces while I was at see the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: University as part of my studies.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, were any of those pieces produced?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: No, it's my ownt.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: And then after Church Wars other than ch Church Wars?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Have you ever received compensation for script?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Right? I believe I have, if it difficult to recall
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: them at this time, but I would certainly try.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Can you think of any event.
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: The one with Colonia Waitsburg starts and that was that
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: was for a play rather than a screen or a screenplay?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Or was that first cause a script for to be
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: as part of the production. What do you mean production?
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to understand.
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: Are we talk of live theater? Well, ud stand, I'd
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: see to trying to add what the best of my
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: bene that's fun?
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Or is that live theater or.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Or was something else?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: This particular one was.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: A more or less an exhibit, but also a program
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: that accompanied the exhibit, So it was compositive different things
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: that involved casting in and having a live performance along
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: with the exhibit, but also an exhibit that needed to
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: be read that would r recycle throughout the exhibit have
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: been played over and over.
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: Can you think of any examples, any additional examples other
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: than the Colony of Williamsburg and church Wars.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: For which you've been compensated for stomatic.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Why are we talking to children's program too? Sure? I
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: was asked to write children's programming for a company on
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: MALOI two. And what company was that? Maloy Academy of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Performing Arts?
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: And when was this?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I believe this would be the theory between two thousand
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and two, roughly two roughly two thousand and six.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: And what did you what programming did you write for
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: the Maui Academy.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Of Performing Arts, the children's musicals or programs that were
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: then towards throughout the state of Await.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: And are you still associated with the Maui Academy of
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Performing Arts?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I had the grammar.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: They so you left the Mali Academy of Performing Arts
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: in two thousand and six.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I just I was just continued there and went to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and continue at the Y andCA, and then then that
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: they that really also mkay.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Let's uh, let's sort of break that down a little bit.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Let's start.
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: I just wanna get an understanding of your employment history.
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: So you left Regent nineteen eighty eight, what happened then.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: About your region? Correct, I was continuing to perform. I
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: was hired at Colonia Waisburg to do night and evening
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: per program then also the day programming. And I was
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: also had been employed there also to come up with programming.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: So you were both a performer and the belsty programming.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: And how long were you at Colonia.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: Williams or the best of my knowledge, I was there
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: from nineteen ninety two or three right in there.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: To nineteen ninety six I believe, and then back again
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: leaving in two thousand and two.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: I believe there were a national Shakespeare's Wars in between that,
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: and also Shakespeare festivals and other epinias.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: So what did you do between nineteen eighty eight and
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I was writing, I was in the drawn out litigation,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I was performing, kay.
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: So then Colonial Williamsburg from ninety six, then you've left
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: to go to Shakespeare set what was under a yearly.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Contracts to performed Shakespeare internationally.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: For how long?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: There were two years that I five went on the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Roadtory okay.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: And and then you went back to Williamsburg until two
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: thousand and two.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I was invited went back and customas.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: And then what happened in two thousand and two, I
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: was invited out.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: By after performing on tours by Elders and Hawaii that
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: had won awards in singing, and I took the offer.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: To come out.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: And the offer was from.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Whom Kaylie Rochelle and his partner. And what was the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: offer for? They simply wanted me to have the experience
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: and succeed where they had being fella artists.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: So were you employed by them?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: No? They were simply doing it cause that's what they do.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: But did they pay you.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Nope? Okay.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: They had me come out and ready to for me
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: to got me up in a hotel and things like that,
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: and helped me get established on the island.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, So.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: When was the next what? What did you do once
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: you got to the island? I was unemployment and lived.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Did you find?
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: I started off with the YECA working with children, did
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: you swimming life guardy I also was hired immediately, basically
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: immediately by the Yale Theater at that time. I was
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: cast in the show immediately, the Fantastics, and they then
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: asked to hire me on at the theater so I
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: could committe to do shows.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: In the And did you go to work for the theater?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I certainly?
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: And how long were you moved at the theater at
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: the Yale Theater?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I worked from That's my regulation was two thousand and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: two to about It was like I believe in about.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Two years okay. And why did you leave?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I was invited to.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Be hired or asked to be signed on that malaccady
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: before the Arts to do their programming in tours.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: Okay, and that was through two thousand and six, right
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: the best of my knowledge of this time, I guess.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: And and why did you leave the Malay Academy of
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Performing Arts.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: The best of my knowledge because I.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Being a tour manager, I brought forward a situation that
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: was ongoing between their one of their middle people home.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And children youth that were part of the academy.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: And as a result of bringing forward that situation, you were.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: Terminated because I brought for the information that was involving
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: drugs and other things that were on jelling.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: They thought it best at.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: That as scientist's clay, So I go drown to do ah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: For your own company?
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: And was that Heart Tours?
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: That's right?
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: And how long was Heart Tours something?
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: The best of my olity was two and a half years.
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: Okay, So now we're up to two thousand nine ish,
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: I suppose did you sign anything with the Malay Academy
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: of Performing once when you left as a confidentality roamers?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You know most one year olds at all?
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: So then what can two thousand and where did you.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Go to work? Always continued to work at the YCA okay,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and always continued to perform.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: From two thousand nine until last year when you started
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: the Grand Yla. Did you have any other employment?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I did many different shows, anything else? I would do
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: whatever I could? What would do? Yard work? I do
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: just like whatever I can.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: What is Crossroads?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Crossroads is a musical that I can see during my time? No,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I can't informing arts when they have show drop out
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: on them. You know I've owned I said, I had
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: one of my own ideas I was developing.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, And did you write the music for Crossroads?
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: Music was basically in Limerick fashion, so it wasn't really
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: music that was composed.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Did you rely on any existing pre existing music for Crossroads?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Not that I can think?
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Are well?
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: It was in Limerick fashion?
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: The characters were pirates.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: And they're singing a diddy basically, and so it was
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: left up to the best performers to create whatever s
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: whatever sound we wanted was never set down from my knowledge.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: So y there was never any like sheet used to
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: creative Is that correct?
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: I'm not aware of this time doesn't mean there wasn't,
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: but I'm not aware of it. I simply was singing
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: what came to my mind that that very well could
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: be somebody could something.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Down, but I wasn't attending nine.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: When is Arlington Rabbit?
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I thought the musical I wrote for children?
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: And did you write the music for that?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I composed the music for that, that's say, hm, I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: had the help of a composer. And who was that composed? Well, actually,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, mister pumping started saying, and who was that?
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: His name is Patrick Brown?
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: And did you have some sort of agreement with mister Brown,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: like a rid agreement.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I got to check recons and see. I talked to him.
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: He was very excited about the piece that wants to
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: go continue with music. It's been talking to me about
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: arranging something so we can go forward.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: And to your knowledge, was the music mister Brown composed
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: original for Farlington Robin can.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: You rephrase the question. You're saying he composed it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry it sounds like you're saying you composed it. Okay,
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: you composed the music for Farlington Robin.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I came up with the sounds and the songs, okay.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: And and those songs were original to you.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: See, best of my know was the original with me?
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Mkay. Now you've registered the Farlington Rabbit the play?
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Is that correct? My wife registered it. I'm not sure
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: what referring to, mkay.
• 51:14
  Speaker 10: Is there a reason why you didn't do you excluded
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: the music from your registration?
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Why was it involved in the registractural process?
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: That would be your wife?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I saw you did it. Can you tell me a
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: little bit of.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: A bring absolutely?
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: Do not think about that point.
• 52:02
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  Speaker 13: Yah yahay stop spoken. You have to be considered that that.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: All you.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: Fapriella, Yes, I am. I bet you calling on a
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  Speaker 4: really good freak. So you're trying on not bad or anything.
• 53:31
  Speaker 19: Tell me birthday?
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know. I didn't speak with a.
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: Oh okay, uh I that's correct. Sunday's out for us.
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: We have a birthday party. Okay, no, I d I
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• 53:58
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• 54:00
  Speaker 4: So Dave, I will s I uh well, uh.
• 54:08
  Speaker 11: Over lunch here, I will try Tom and bergade because
• 54:11
  Speaker 11: the bride's working right now too.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: So I can't reach her. And I think Timothy is
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: seeing Dave today.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: So.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, alright, I will check. Alrighty, I'll let you know.
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: Okay, Darling, Okay, alright, sure, okay, basterom why I have
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: a chance.
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: You're on a separate volume control through me, and so
• 54:46
  Speaker 11: once we get backed up, I can turn you up
• 54:49
  Speaker 11: or down.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it's not gonna go down.
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: Like do you happen to play anything?
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Talk?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? There you are your guy?
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: Okay, Hi, honey, I just talked to Gabriella and she
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: wants to try to do Saturday the twenty first, and
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: it's wondering if Dave is available to come to would
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  Speaker 11: be the same.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Sort of people those are Thanksgiving. So so I think
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: you were talking about community seeing you today.
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: So so if you did, okay, alright, so ask him
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: if he be interested, if he'd be available.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, alright, my dear, I'll talk to you a little later.
• 58:55
  Speaker 19: Okay, love you by hers.
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: So hy I my name in or a honey of
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• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Three lay probably.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: I only have like one reporter that ever asks for them.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 20: Perfect, the rest complain if they get that, so I'm
• 59:30
  Speaker 20: not switched.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: That's funny, isn't it. Yeah?
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: But then I got a lecture from one carbo the
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: one car reporter.
• 59:40
  Speaker 11: What although you know I can't right play give you
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• 59:47
  Speaker 1: An MP three is not.
• 59:48
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• 59:49
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, icy, it's okay, sorry, that's why, I uh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: that's not a problem.
• 59:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm I'm that's I'm old school.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'm always I still use a VHS back up. Yeah,
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: cause DVD's I've I've had one too bad.
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  Speaker 13: Voice problems on those. Yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Good old tape trusted the problem.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's funny. It's weird.
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  Speaker 13: How do you uh explicit the Dean jumps?
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  Speaker 5: Are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 19: Why did you tell?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 13: Why did you give me one.
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  Speaker 17: Of your cards?
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  Speaker 1: I sure a lot of.
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  Speaker 14: Happy too.
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  Speaker 13: You know Steve Sucker something with Ellen.
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  Speaker 4: Steve Sucker, and I worked for him once many of you.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Made years ago.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: He tried to buy my business.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 13: How about uh, Tom Harding? You know Tom were now
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  Speaker 13: we go tell no, I'll tell no way that stand.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 13: He has a lot of works, like when it seems.
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  Speaker 4: Give you trouble, it's definitely time to get a new
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  Speaker 4: phone in. The battery on this thing lasts about two hours,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: and then I have to keep it plugged in all
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  Speaker 4: the day.
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  Speaker 21: Is it?
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  Speaker 13: Is it all the abs and stuff?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: You've got one then and does not got that much
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: that's going on?
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  Speaker 10: Usually blue tooth and and like searching for uh, I've
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 10: got Wi Fi turned off, and then stop searching for
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 10: blue tooth and the.
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  Speaker 1: Tooth is off.
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  Speaker 13: It's just it's just you know, probably time, yeah.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Just having that kind enough.
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  Speaker 4: So I think they playing the obsence in something right.
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  Speaker 13: Some of your little stuff spoken and then I interrupt
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  Speaker 13: you saw is that okay?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: That's Okay, they don't worry about it.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 13: Don't worry about it. I just didn't want you to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 13: think that.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: Like listening to her so was like as if we
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: were having a coffee later, i'd you like your really
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  Speaker 6: quest Well.
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  Speaker 4: You were colonial Williamsburg.
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  Speaker 19: You didn't happen to work with.
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  Speaker 4: The costume or named Kathy Wagner, did you?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: That's Kinthy Wagner her. I don't remember the name, but
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you the costume.
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  Speaker 4: Department's unbelievably h Yeah, she was there for two seasons.
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  Speaker 4: That's my sister.
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  Speaker 5: She just passed away.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. There are such
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: wonderful people there.
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  Speaker 4: It was so good.
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  Speaker 1: You can't help them out that.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, she just loved it.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: She was there.
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  Speaker 4: I think you sorry nineties, I'm so sorry. Yeah was
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: there are she was only forty five.
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  Speaker 5: Oh it was a year or so.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, she so that was like her favorite thing.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: And then she over drown shop.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: So where does she over her shop? Uh?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: My hometown quits Illinois. Oh wow, So that she like
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  Speaker 4: shipped all over the country.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good business, has a really good thing to do.
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  Speaker 4: But she was a genius. You could just show her
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: something that she could make it.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can I tell you how many I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: how many progers I did there? And they always had me.
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  Speaker 4: Every detail with Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Believable, right down the buckles and the shoes. It was
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: just unbelievable what they did and how fast they did
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and how friendly they were the whole time. I mean,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: when you're taking measurements, you just feel like you're at home.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, unbelievable people so like the nulesism so sorry, yeah
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  Speaker 6: Well, I gotta tell you a body constant jump by
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: the doors, absolutely door.
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  Speaker 1: They actually did a little extra things, particularly like you
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• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: You know when they made so many hand made scratch
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: you know, the elephants for me, like dump your elephants
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  Speaker 6: and things and it was so sweet.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Definitely fond memories.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: That's a good place.
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  Speaker 6: It's a wonderful place. It's a wonderful place and probably
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: worthwhile cars too.
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  Speaker 22: Have you ever been to the uh race Bridge Dinners
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 22: and uh the U in seventy No? Do you want
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  Speaker 22: every Christmas of a patcheant?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: You do the dinner, but the whole dinner is at patching.
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  Speaker 18: Oh my sounds good.
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  Speaker 13: than the lady.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, I thinks what about the yeah do.
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  Speaker 22: And now they've focun it up for like three weeks
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  Speaker 22: before Christmas since it's.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's that feast thing that yeah as are lovely.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's a great idea too. Yeah, the period where
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  Speaker 1: you just simes me you love the part of period productions.
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  Speaker 6: period of peace, So I think somebody wanted in so
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  Speaker 6: uh huh, yeah, I loved it.
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  Speaker 6: to clean, right, So I think it's a better factor
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  Speaker 1: Everything was fun because the conditions are so supposed to
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• 1:05:24
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, it's most a pleasure to meet the guys.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: So that same, it's funny you write a easy.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, all good. It's gonna make people happy. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: count of this part. But how's that like?
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  Speaker 4: That's fine? Yeah, it was just it was over and
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  Speaker 13: No, no, no, you're fine. I was just reading your
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  Speaker 13: lips trying to follow. Use you're a real little soft.
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  Speaker 22: Spoken on anybody interrupt you, right, We we got audio
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  Speaker 18: That's right, Thank you.
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  Speaker 19: You don't like to fight.
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  Speaker 1: That's like you play an arts.
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  Speaker 4: Now, So I said to villa.
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  Speaker 1: Holiday kids.
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  Speaker 4: That's okay, and any time you need out.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you know what, I love my outline in.
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  Speaker 1: My office, so let me right back. Okay, take your
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  Speaker 13: Don't just celebrated by eleven?
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  Speaker 17: Uh?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, her uncles in this and.
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  Speaker 13: One of my my wife was forty seventh.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: While that's wonderful. Where did you guys meet?
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  Speaker 13: We met actually in uh junior college in nineteen seventy five.
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  Speaker 1: School. That's school really exactly just as ever.
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  Speaker 13: Not just tell each other again?
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  Speaker 5: What's those leap.
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  Speaker 1: Thoughout? You have?
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  Speaker 4: And two grandchildren?
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  Speaker 1: Lations?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: Where they live?
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  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, so I have to go back in the cold weather.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: I've been out here for thirty years. I don't have
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: the blood for in anymore.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 13: That's like I feel coming here from Hawaii. I went
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  Speaker 13: swimming in the hotel pool and it was really hard
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 13: to get out.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: It was cold.
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  Speaker 13: I haven't had the.
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  Speaker 1: Experience like shivering, and.
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  Speaker 4: We don't they either.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they take positions with short sign that actually I've
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  Speaker 6: never seen it.
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  Speaker 4: I had a deponent show up in his pajamas once
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  Speaker 4: a serious. Yeah, it was riding to angel Field. He
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: showed up in pajamas.
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  Speaker 1: He took a briefcase.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: He put it on the table.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: He opened it up.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: He took out a bowl of cereal, a bowl of
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: the milk and some cereal.
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  Speaker 5: Home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He he was very pead that it started somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that was his way letting you know it always
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  Speaker 3: like you know, in real life, he's just like his
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: comic persona.
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  Speaker 1: That's very interesting. Yeah right, very cute.
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  Speaker 6: When when when I got to the plane, I had
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  Speaker 6: the like a at Chicago, the mother dock at the
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  Speaker 6: Tide and nice pants from London by Tuary in London too,
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  Speaker 6: and I got the plane.
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  Speaker 1: And like lose a tide jack boys, yeah right away.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Since I got the plane in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 4: Like lose it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, get rid of.
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  Speaker 4: I have a friend was a lawyer in Hawaii. Actually
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: she was been at a long from those right across
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  Speaker 4: from the palace.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know that's the only ones the ware time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: Oh oh yeah, why it is beautiful.
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  Speaker 23: It is very very you like my little boys when
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 23: he raised so yeah, likes he lucky, he loves it.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: He's such a genius.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: It's a beautiful place. It's a sweet place to grow.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: Too much humidity for me, though, I'm really particular.
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  Speaker 1: You can basically, I can take your climate.
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  Speaker 4: Zone and you can don't art being which I hear
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  Speaker 4: that's true. I've been trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Ye Were you from Illinois?
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  Speaker 19: Yep?
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  Speaker 1: And your kids stayed there? Yep?
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  Speaker 4: Well, when you fall in love with the guy you
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: went to school? What do you stay there? Did your
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: did she go to Illinois? She went to Yeah, well
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: she finished up in Wisconsin, so they never right on.
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  Speaker 5: A Wisconsin border.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god. So okay, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 11: All say yes to Motil Place. We are back on
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  Speaker 11: the record at ten forty eight.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, welcome back to Strald House.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you welcome.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: Uh how did you get interested in screen riding?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I've always fascinated by film.
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  Speaker 6: Stories and found I had an aptitude at an early
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: age that was pointing out to me.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Was encouraged to create stories, and uh, throughout my academic site.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: I did and was told they were unique and.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: To continue. I I thought of it too as a way.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: That could from change or hope, and it struck me
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: that it really was the one vehicle to have a
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: voice that might encourage or effect change. And that is
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: really what encouraged me to developed my talents and see
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: if I could write a piece that would expect or encourage, likely.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Like a chip.
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  Speaker 10: And when you say write a piece that would affect
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 10: or encourage, we were talking about the Immortals.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: The Immortals is definitely the the pinnacle of that endeavor
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: at that time.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Now, uh, before college, did you see a lot of movies.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I never really saw a lot of movies. I was
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: pretty disappointed in a lot of things. I was that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I did see.
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  Speaker 6: If I thought, there must be another way to approach it,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: there must be a better way to tell a story
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: out there. I had been told in school, did every
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: idea basically that it had never been done, already be done.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: Then I didn't embrace that idea. So I looked for
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: something that would a factory challenge the thinking of the world,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: something that would be a challenge to be.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: And I found that any worlds, I found something that
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: was probably a a great challenge that after you met
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: it could be that.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever seen any Star Wars films?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I saw the Star Wars films when the first one out.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: The original three. The good ones.
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  Speaker 1: Well done.
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  Speaker 6: I thought the first one was the most effaculty. It
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: seemed new that was hadneological aspects, were brilliant. They told
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: a story, was compelling and timely to the audiences of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: that time. Seen you rich in their hearts and rich
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  Speaker 6: exactly what ange?
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  Speaker 1: Do youar?
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  Speaker 17: What one is?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: A year? And you saw at least the first one
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: in the theater?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: I I saw the first one, believe it or not,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: of the drive on he still had those. The funny
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: game is actually walked into it.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Cause I was dropped off, so I walked in and
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  Speaker 1: join my friends.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: Did you ever see two thousand and one of space? Honesty?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I can? My dad can me to see when I
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: was young?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: Have you seen any of the Terminator movies?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: So I could see the Terminator movies?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: Did you see those in theaters?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I saw those on video?
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 19: I belie?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Did you ever see Blade Rinner?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I saw that, Monny.
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  Speaker 8: Okay Old rod.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 21: Let's mark as it is, Abe's true, and.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 10: Mister ald House, I have marked his exhibit one uh
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 10: A document labeled second men amended complaint in the matter
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 10: of Thomas Althouse versus Warder Brothers Entertainment, inc Andy Witchawski,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 10: La Lanta Witchhawski and Joel Silver. And I'll represent to
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: you this is the complaint itself and not the exhibits,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 10: which we'll get to later.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: But if I if nothing else for ease of stapling,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: I am marking the first forty one page sisters the complaint.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Now this is the second amended complaint. Do you recall
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: when you filed your first complaint in this matter?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't recall the exact date, though I thought it
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: was the attorney.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry say that I don't recall the exact date
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: since when he's re filed. Okay, now do you recall uh?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: Would uh January of twenty thirteen sound about right?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: I I don't recall. I've watched it up to my attorneys.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, Uh when you s uh?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 10: Were you represented by an attorney when you found your
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 10: first complaint?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Anthony Rankin is the word that handled it?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Okay? Have you been represented by anyone other than mister Rankin?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 10: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: In connection with your claims against uh Warner Brothers, the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: Wachowski's and mister Silver.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: No, it's lower else. Okay?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: How long have you known mister Ncoln.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I believe not that long. I believed that at the YCA.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 10: When I answered my end of in part my next question,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: which was, how did you meet mister Rankin?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: You met 'e mid the YMCA.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe, so okay, Uh?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: And do you outside of this lawsuit? Do you have
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: a social relationship with mister Rankin?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Do you haven't hung out for a long time to
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: pass that you mean?
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  Speaker 10: And does mister Rankin represent you in any other matter
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 10: other than this lawsuit?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm aware else?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: And Uh, prior to engaging mister Rankin to represent you
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: in this matter? Uh, did you contact any other attorneys?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Just a me objection by why do you think this
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: is relevant or calculated to me to discovery your relevant evidence?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: Well? Uh, among other things. There are some limitations and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: latches issues here.
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  Speaker 17: Uh, so.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead at this time I'm not aware.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: Of Well, let me ask you this again. Did you
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: try to find a lawyer? Did you do anything to
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: try to find the lawyer before you contacted the story?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: We told our friends at the party that we were
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: we would need to find representation. What party was this?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: After we had our discovery, we had a party to
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: inform our friends where we had discovered and found.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: Kay, And what do you mean after we had our discovery.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: When I had seen the images on the it's website,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: I why way can I share about it? And then
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: we had a we had a gathering I guess a
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: month or so later and shared what we had found out.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: Kay, And you said when you said, seen the images
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: on the website? What website?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I'll have to find what the website was. I just
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: know what. I know what the picture was and what
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: the pictures were. What was what were the pictures?
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: There was a picture of a little girl, uh it
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: set santy at the train station with Neo laying down
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: facing her, and I mean there's a train sign or
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: a station signed in the back of it.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: And then below it was a picture of the little
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: girl of the.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: Safty character pointing I guess towards the sun with the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: por goal from the Major's film in the picture. And
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: what do you even recall what kind of website this
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: web I'd have to look into what that website was.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: I just know it was very impactual and the it
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: it hit me when I saw the images, I was.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: Just like.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: Absolutely thrown away. I was totally affected and shared with
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: my life immediately it was the main images that I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: had come up with my for my own play.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Or some of those main images.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: Do you recall even what you were looking for when
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: you came across these images?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: No, I was simply trying to for the best of
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: my knowledge, I was simply just on the web.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: I made been nothing about and just I don't know,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: I can't answer or not. And when was it, to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: the best of my knowledgees was uh in February.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Twenty ten. I'm not mistaken around there?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 10: Okay, So you see these two images of the Sawty character,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 10: one in the train station one point two.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, there was a text with it too, was explaining it.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: Prior to that time? Had you seen any of the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: Matrix movies?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I had seen partially, I say partially the first one.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: And when did you see the partially the first Matrix pis?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: And that was when I was, I believe, on tour
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: on the Shakespeare Tour, the National Tour.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: So somewhere in the late nineteen nineties.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it was around I I was on
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: tour in nineteen ninety nine, I believe through who I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: did two years, so it be nineteen ninety nine two thousand, Holid.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I think it was ninety nine, ninety to two thousand
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: and one when we're on tour in c Poriod of Contracts.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: And did you see it in the theater?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I believe it was the theater.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 10: And when you saw the First Matrix in the theater?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 10: Were portions of the First Matrix in the theater? Why
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 10: did you release thee Kark?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Cause I got nauseous, I got sick. I had trouble
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: watching the film.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: Why was that because of the condition that I have, Well,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: Really supposed to watch foo with films. It caused me
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: to have trouble recollect think and I get very sick
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: when I watch sometimes.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: How much of the First Matrix did you see?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: It'd be hard to recall according to my CONDI cause
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: of my condition.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I remember being nauseous. I remember that mostly having to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: leave cause of illness. I was trying to hang out
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: with my friends. They asked me to go see it.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 10: Now, when you saw the First Matrix in and around
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 10: the end of nineteen ninety nine, did you notice at
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 10: that point, uh, any similarities between your script the Immortals.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: And the Matrix.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: The thing that that I can recall that would have
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: considered similar would be that something attaching in the back
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: of the neck that seemed similar.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: Hm. Did you do anything about that similarity?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: So I was cause he trying to stay healthy. I
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: didn't see anything that was gonna spark anything beyond that
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: looked like it was similar.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 10: Now, the things that are attached in the back of
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 10: the neck that are in the Immortals, was that your
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 10: original idea or when you.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: Wrote that into the Immortals? Had you ever heard of
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: a story in any way that things?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Do you? Personally? I had never seen it like it before.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: From my perspective and standpoint, I can honestly say that
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: to me was original conception material.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: That element.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 10: But in nineteen ninety nine you didn't do anything to
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 10: bring that to anyone's attention, that similarity between the Immortals and.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: The First Victories.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I don't remember being struck with any idea of doing
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: anything about anything.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 9: It was.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: It was a similarity. In hindsight, I would say it's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: one of many.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: And since uh, nineteen ninety nine, have you come to one.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Of any.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety nine, have you come to learn of
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: any other works?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 10: That predate your Immortal Script that also have things attached
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 10: to the back of the neck.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 24: Perceived not not at all. I can't think of anything
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 24: that lives has anything like that in that location, like
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 24: sods like a pat to buy off my page.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 10: Would you recall how you describe the things in the
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 10: back of the neck even in your script, and it's
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 10: in the play clearly the actual language you use to
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: describe the things in the back of the.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: Right, I would w wish to read it if I
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: was gonna run back it, because I wouldn't wanna.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Guess it with my own writing.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: Suck, Well, what's smart?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: Were the person?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: Alright?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 10: We've marked as exhibit too a document that begin that
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 10: is the cover page says the Immortals Tom Summers and
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 10: excuse me, which is exhibit one to the second amended
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 10: complaint that.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 20: We marked as exhibit one, and it is a hundred
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 20: and twenty two page Uh screenplay, m and is this
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 20: your screenplay for the immortals?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Unlike believe it is untrusting?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 10: Whatever it is, Okay, I'll represent to you that if
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 10: you see the marks at the top where it starts
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 10: with case and it says two call one thirteen and
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 10: goes on from there, that means that I attained this
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: copy of the screenplay from the court file.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, and uh and as attached to the second amended complaint.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: If it's helpful, okay, So can you.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 10: Locate for me the description in the screenplay of what
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 10: the things on the back of the neck are intended
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 10: to look at?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Do you have a story treatment too?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 17: What is it helpful?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 19: Uh?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 10: I don't have it with me.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Is it your contention that the screenplay or the story
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: treatment is what we in frenship?
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: It's my thought that it may be in both on
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: documents that maybe we can benefit class in both.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, Uh, let me ask again, though, is it your
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: contention that the greenplay is what was copying? What was
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: the story treatment.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: That was copied?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's let's back up. What is it your claiming
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: in this lawsuit?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I would s I would say that my.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: My screenplay and my story treatment were source materials and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: used for the making story intent.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Late, I guess, mkay, is your story treatment? Did you
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: ever register the copyright in that?
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: I have to look into cop believe in it.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: I believe once it's pendants copyrighted, and I believe it
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: was I believe it submitted. I know it's registered, are notorized.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: You know that the notary notorized the material, witnessed it,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: that copyrights approved to show who was the first true
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: Uh regilate the materials or the notary when you useful
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: and that also, But do you know when.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: You have registered the story treatment with the copyright office?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: I do not know what the respection the copying office
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: as be I can find.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: Out, but I know that it is tagged as original
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: work from that date with the notary also, so well.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: I look for an exhibit.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 10: I believe the question is is there something in the
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 10: script that describes the things on the back of the.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: Guess the only what I'm answering was that I'm I
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 6: believe both the story treatment and the scriptles have those
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: answers for you, and so yes, And.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: With respect to the script, can you point me to
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: that language.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: I believe that there's a number of entries regarding to
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: the hook up to the back of the neck, and
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: I believe our.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: Complaint has the matchups that address where they're located in
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: which the same as time.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: So I believe that's been addressed just the same as time.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: Well, for example, let's look at if you go back.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 10: To exhibit one, which is the complaint. And if you
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 10: go to page eight exhibit one. Okay, you go to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 10: page eight and it says those in the Immortals programs
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 10: have enhancers in the back of their necks that allow them.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: To connect to and interact in a virtual world. Do
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: you see that or do you see that?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 17: Okay?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: My question for you is is.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 10: There something in the script that describes what those enhancers
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 10: look like in your mind, what you intended them.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: To look like.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 23: I believe we get the image on page ninety nine,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 23: just just having open the script. On page ninety nine,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 23: it says, Jim attaches Barriager's.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: And Hanser to the back of his neck. If I
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: go through here, uh. On page eighty five, and there's
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: numerous entries.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: On page eighty five, it says Jim, Jim hurries to
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: his home terminal and puts the chord to his neck, just.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: As a matrix film.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: The cord it's hooked up to a chord. The rights
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: on the screen transfers the files to his mind. So
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: it says that they're transfers to play all files last year,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 6: all files empty.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: And you're going back with pages in the upper right
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: the upper right. That's correct, and this is just looking
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: off the color. Thank you too.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: Now we've marked as exhibit three a D. We'll come
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: back to the script.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 10: We've we and marked as exhibit three A document that
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 10: was produced pursuant to uh W Warner Brother's first request
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 10: for production.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: And it's labeled page zero zero one nine seven zero
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: through zero zero one nine eight zero. And I believe
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: these pages are not entirely in order, but this is
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: how it was produced to us. So this is how
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: I'm how we've marked it. I understand if you look.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 10: At uh the first page, there's some there's a hand
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 10: written document here dated May nineteenth, nineteen ninety three.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: Can you tell me what that is?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: It looks like a testimonial. I do know the party well,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: or did at that time, and she's writing about.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 6: As it says, the conception date for time of the
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: street flighting questions in morals.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: So for this.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 10: Us, if this is dated May nineteenth, ninety nineteen ninety three,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 10: do you have any bl reasonably that that date's not correct?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: It it's notorized by the notary, Okay, so I would
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: say the theories page I believe it says but that
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: is the date sworn to by the notary.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I the end.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 10: If you look at the third page of this document,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 10: there's a there's something that appears to be a signature
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 10: of a notary.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: It is a signature of a notary. It is yes. Okay.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 10: Do you know in around nineteen ninety three the Virginia
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 10: notaries used stamps.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: There would be a press down stamp. Okay, I was
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: a notary myself.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, alright, So what who was Who is Atifa Ball?
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: The cheek a Ball is the niece of seven of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: your David former Senator David born of Oklahoma.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: She was also.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: In miss America agint that had was a runner out
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: for Oklahoma on that area. She was also a performer
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: and came from established family. She was someone that helped
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: me greatly when my condition was ongoing, and basically was
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: UH someone who witnessed the development completion how your balance
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: the ideas offer. We would go bolteed at times and
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 6: the ideas would kindly.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Rather my map and I.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: She saw me through the head process of the development
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: of the screen flight from when I was attending to
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: uh the message I was attending to give the the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: killing that was kinded that as an expiration.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: Well, when you say my condition was ongoing, what did
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: you move.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: The diagnosis of the post traumatic stress disorder which was
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: on a lot me to see those violent films so well?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: And when were you to diagnose with posttic best disorder?
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: To the best of my knowledge, I believe there was
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of different times.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: When was the first time?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: I can tell you one of the times was we
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: have documentation learn from the doctor inself like cells?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 19: It not clearly.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: I always wanna rely on that doctors rather than just
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: try to guess what that date was.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: Can you estimate.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It's on his letter? Had it's on his side as
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: his letter had, I would I it was. I wouldn't
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: know the date it is. I I don't know.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: Was it when you were in at Williamsburg?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: It was either one of those Williamsburg or before Williamsburg?
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 13: And what was the event, uh.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: That led to the post traumatic stressed.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: Desorder being taken on that motor home trip with the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: homosexual associate Dean being approached told that.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I would lose everything if I didn't comply, and.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: Then having my jobs at education terminated in all opportunities killed.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: And that's the Region University.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: That's Rigi University, the disturbing Pat Robinson's presidential campaign, and
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 6: that's why they was so, I guess so set on
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: alleviating the problem.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, going back to Exhibit three. This handwritten document, uh,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: signed by ms Ball?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: Is this something you asked her to do?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 9: Is it?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: So long as always you don't recollect or listen her
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 6: idea or mine, be very well may have.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Been her idea.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 19: Kay Uh?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 10: Do you recall any discussions with ms Ball about the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 10: purpose of this handwritten document?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: The first page of Exhibit three.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: While understanding is that we were told the work was good,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 6: then we needed to set down various ways that would
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: then show that our concept was the original one should.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: It ever be disputed.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: And who were you told that? Five?
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: There was a copyright attorney when I had talked to
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: and who was that we had it written down?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: I don't really mean.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly that he was envetmented? Is that mister.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: Void done? And as uh May nineteenth, nineteen ninety three, Uh.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: The.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: Story treatment was complete?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Is that fright? That all the pieces were r were done? You? Sorry?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 19: It was KICKINGG.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? The pieces? M story treatment and
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: the script were written.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: The entire the entire script are just in ugstening resicians.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: That's is when I kept wanted to realize things.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: But so because the Exhibit three says that.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 10: All opening scenes up to Barringer at Jim's house in
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 10: script form that she had witnessed you developed, not that
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 10: she witness you developed.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I did all the rest in the second section
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: of the OS, but she doesn't view it.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 10: So as of May nineteenth, the sec second section will
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 10: in your mind? How many sections are there in the script?
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Two? There were reason the words sections.
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  Speaker 4: I guess, okay, well that was the you have the scenes.
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  Speaker 4: As of May nineteenth, nineteen ninety three, was there a
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  Speaker 4: complete script even if you were still making revisions?
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  Speaker 6: I would say there was complete script except the second
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  Speaker 6: half I wasn't satisfied with.
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  Speaker 1: How about the fight scenes were a little should call
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: 'em new dystancy? And I think they turned that way
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  Speaker 1: out of the film.
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  Speaker 4: And when you say it turned that way out in
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: the film, you mean.
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  Speaker 5: The Matrix film?
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  Speaker 1: Or I say, if they did the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: And which film are you referring to?
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  Speaker 6: MM When I said, Jory, someun refer to all three,
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  Speaker 6: But that would probably be the nd sequence or the.
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  Speaker 25: Things and when you say the ending sequence, that would
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  Speaker 25: be the ending sequence in the third one.
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  Speaker 6: I'm it so that throughout the film there was way
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: too much violence, but in the battle sequences of the Dead.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, if you look back at exhibit one, which is
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 14: the complaint, actually you can stay on that page that
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 14: you're on, page eight.
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  Speaker 26: That's the beginning of the comparison between the immortals and
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  Speaker 26: the infringing works which are described here as the Matrix
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  Speaker 26: reloaded and the Matrix revolutions.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see that or do you see that?
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  Speaker 10: Is there a reason why you uh did not include
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  Speaker 10: the original matrix here?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm managed after that question to the extend their
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  Speaker 3: calls or uh work product and attorney client communications.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: If there's anything.
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  Speaker 6: As dril out school answers that that you don't feel
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  Speaker 6: insisted of your work product on this case with me
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: and our communications, then you can answered otherwise, was your
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: the privilege all and stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Do not answer that understood or go with the turn nice.
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  Speaker 4: So, just just for the record, there's you don't have.
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  Speaker 5: An any.
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  Speaker 10: Information other than what you learned from your attorney as
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 10: to why the original matrix is not included.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: In this part of your lesser of correct How do
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: you not know at this time?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, let's go back to the three and this Ball's.
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  Speaker 19: Letter.
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  Speaker 10: Uh so this document was signed on May nineteenth, nineteen
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  Speaker 10: ninety three.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, what did you do with it after that?
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: With anything?
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  Speaker 6: I believe we put it into a mail or let's
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: set priority mail to ourselves as.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Per instruction.
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  Speaker 17: We like to see.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, let's mark as exhibit four, Uh, this original document
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  Speaker 10: and then we'll figure it out later.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you wanna put the sun so so that
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to make a copy for your exhibit. So
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: if you wanna mark the outside of it, you wanna
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: make a copy and mark the out j comp excuse
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: me of the front of it showing the postmark and
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: all that, and mark that exib it for.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: We can do that.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want me to go make a copy or
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: do sh let's walk to the record for one book.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: Second's to go on?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Please?
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  Speaker 19: What do you want with the record?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: It be eleven twenty eight and.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: We can do it later, or per your prior suggestion,
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  Speaker 3: you can open it now and we can see what's
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: inside and and then we'll.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: Copy it and the market. Yeah, okay, so we'll go
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: on to that four cause it'll get used, so we.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Can stay off the record if you wanna do it. Now,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: it's up to you where you do that.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, why you do that? Cause we don't need to
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: be dramatic. Well, no, let's come back.
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  Speaker 6: Just sorry, all I know.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry about that. We're back on the record at
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: another twenty eight AM.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 10: Okay, I'm gonna put in front of you a document
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 10: that you uh received, they that your attorney handed me
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 10: this morning when you arrived.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: That we will ultimately mark as exhibit four.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: Oh well, mark a copy of that as Eibent four.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Will retain the original Okay, uh.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 10: And this document appears to be a priority mailer with
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 10: a postmark UH of May.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: Nineteenth, nineteen ninety three. Do you see that?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: What's grew?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: Okay? And Msterald hash. Where did you find this document?
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Which? This document?
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: This this this envelope that we're looking at right now.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: This we just discovered yesterday. In fact, my little boy
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: who's seven, went through a box of this.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 6: Artwork that's an interest I had just saved all the
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: things he did in school, and he told me that
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 6: he had found something on the bottom of his work.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: He's like, downy, I found something that it's yours and
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 6: so I then solid retreated thanked him and let him
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 6: know if he had found something very very important to him.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Uh, I's.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, so.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: Uh can you open up sure for me?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Clessen? Yeah, okay, okay? What's the letter?
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  Speaker 19: Alright?
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: And then what's the next pitch?
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Notes? The original? I mean obviously the originally notes from
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: what copies of writing?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 9: Uh?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: We're background for source material using models?
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  Speaker 4: And is that your handwriting?
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: That's my handwriting? Oh?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 9: Else?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: Before you said it's been opened before?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: Do I believe?
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 10: So?
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: Kay?
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: And why do you say that?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Because it's the scene. It's the thing on the front
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  Speaker 1: says script Do you know I've open Yep, it's a scripture.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Don't no food? Was that good about? Anyway? Just answer
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: her question? Did you want him to describe her any
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: any sooner? We're just gonna mark all this, and i'd
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: prefer to for the record, just you don't at your microphone.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: For the record, if you don't mind him as brough,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: I'd prefer to just maintain the order of these pages
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: before he starts looking at them and possibly changing the
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: order or getting them extup at any else and I
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: photo copy them.
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  Speaker 1: This perhaps part of XI A four or an EATHI
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: five to pop first.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think we could do that. Why don't
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: Why don't we although we haven't, why don't we do
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: that now? Just yeah, so that we don't bes track
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: of what we're doing, oparently alright, just among little things.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: If you were off the record at the now than
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: thirty two am, are we close to the end of
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: the two forms? Not half an hour ago? Okay, I'll
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: change it in you month. Oh no, no, no, if
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: you weren't five minutes or something, No, I says that
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: something yet?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, finely, I've had allarrements learning me to the beginning
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: of this deposition, but it was not Hawaii time, so
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: it came two hours later.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 17: Ah, you see you said outside.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: Just that to my crust.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 18: Okay, you cannot trust ya anything, SACA.
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  Speaker 1: That's something.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: Let lest jolly house take a minute to look out
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: before we go back on the record.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: Sure, absolutely.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: Sure? What was its structure?
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 5: What do you excatted by?
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: It looks like you know, don't say that, starty, who
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: don't say how they i'sn't say that? Long way they
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: get you out? Okay, say that.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 9: That's what's that you say.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: That you kiddy worked type?
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 17: Yeah?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, wite go back home.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: Most just a moment, please, we are back on the record,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 4: ending up in forty five.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 10: And okay, what is mark? I should probably not marked,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 10: but I'm gonna mark as Exhibit five.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: Come back to four.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 10: The contents of the envelope, the front page of which
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 10: will mark is a ghibb of four. I'll tell you
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 10: I used to mock people who couldn't w work their's
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 10: eRx machines, and now I can't.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: But I have the portion that is.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 27: Copied, the portion with the postwar Okay, so the the
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 27: copy the that's four and that's fine.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: Now looking at exhibit five mm, which is the contents
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: of the envelope, which I think is under.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 4: So exhibit five, I believe it's under exhibit for there.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: You can.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 10: Hm, okay, so can exhibit five. We have 'em as
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 10: Ball's letter, correct, that's right. And then we have some
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 10: handwritten notes of yours.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: Correct, that's right.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 4: And do you know when these notes were created?
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: M No, I have no recolection when U s actually
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: the actual date that are made?
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, you see there's a bunch of numbers, yes, I do.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: What are those?
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: If you know, I'm not sure. If they are reference notations,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. If they are just seen identication idea numbers,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not sure what they why they represent. Okay,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: that it's time.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 10: And then the next page is typewritten, single space typewritten, and.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 4: It's it starts with sh see she.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 10: Is sincere but frightened, sort of believes me to believe
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 10: there's a page missing there there is a passing.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, and that would be the first page of the
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: story treatment that.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: We see where we do have when your receptions Rice.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's my solution. Okay, And then we keep going
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: through the story treatment