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The Bolt Report | 24 August · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Report.
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Speaker 2: Right, well, good evening, Thanks for joining me on the
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Speaker 2: Bolt Report. I'm James Macpherson. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: Remember how Labour promised rents would only rise by two
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Speaker 2: dollars a week under their new housing taxes would have
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Speaker 2: actually risen by more than twenty dollars. And the Government
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Speaker 2: can't explain why an Anglican archbishop apologizes after his cathedral
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Speaker 2: and an altar girl featured in a reality TV series
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Speaker 2: about OnlyFans and sex work and gender fluid police in
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Speaker 2: the UK given two sets of identification documents so they
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Speaker 2: can switch between male and female whenever they please. We'll
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Speaker 2: get to all of that shortly, but first, Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: has a problem, and that problem is David Farley, her MP,
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Speaker 2: went on the ABC yesterday where he was asked about
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Speaker 2: immigration policy, which you might think would be a fairly
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Speaker 2: straightforward proposition. It is, after all, the biggest issue in
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Speaker 2: the country right now, and it's hardly a topic any
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Speaker 2: one nation MP should be afraid of. One nation's promised
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Speaker 2: to slash immigration is the key reason they're polling numbers
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Speaker 2: have surged to the point where Pauling Hanson, which she's
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Speaker 2: now being spoken of as a potential prime minister.
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Speaker 3: In other words, the subject.
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Speaker 2: Of immigration is one nation's bread and butter, which David
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Speaker 2: Farley quickly turned into dry toast and regret.
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Speaker 4: So potentially an extra hundred thousand on top of the
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Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty thousand, Yeah, it's one hundred and
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Speaker 4: thirty thousand plus one hundred thousand.
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Speaker 5: It's one hundred a minimum of one hundred.
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Speaker 4: You're saying it needs to be one hundred and thirty thousand,
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Speaker 4: non plus about one hundred thousand more.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, at a minimum.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like effectively if you're talking about a
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Speaker 4: number of two hundred and twenty or thirty or forty thousand.
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Speaker 4: Is it that different to the government's objective here. I
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Speaker 4: know they're not there yet, but they want to get
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Speaker 4: it down to two twenty five.
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Speaker 5: I think the big difference is we're focusing on what
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Speaker 5: are the skills we need as a nation, Where do
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Speaker 5: we need these migrants to be?
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Speaker 4: But the raw number, the raw numbers.
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Speaker 6: Not too different.
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Speaker 2: And just like that, one Nation's member for Farrer had
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Speaker 2: effectively endorsed Labour's immigration target. Labour couldn't have written a
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Speaker 2: script any better than the Prime Minister. We certainly appreciated
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Speaker 2: the assistance.
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Speaker 7: What David Farley said on Sunday was that he believed
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Speaker 7: the numbers that Labor have come up with about right.
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Speaker 5: Olch.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson then had to rush out a tweet explaining
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Speaker 2: that her own MP had in fact got One Nation's
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Speaker 2: immigration policy wrong, and One Nation director James Ashby came
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Speaker 2: on My show last night with a mop.
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Speaker 1: Look, I'll carry this around as long as I have to.
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Speaker 8: Today it's kind of been a dud Sunday, but at
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Speaker 8: the end of the day, I think it's worth it.
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Speaker 8: People make mistakes, will at least admit to them.
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Speaker 3: I've got to be honest.
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Speaker 2: After watching David Farley's interview on the ABC, I'm surprised
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Speaker 2: Ashby brought a mop. He should probably have brought a
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Speaker 2: hasmat suit. This wasn't spilt milk. This was a disaster.
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Speaker 2: People aren't flocking to One Nation for their tax policy.
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Speaker 2: They're not buying One Nation bumper stickers because of their
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Speaker 2: exciting new approach to hospital administration. People supporting One Nation
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Speaker 2: because One Nation are promising to slash immigration. That's the product,
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Speaker 2: that's the pitch, that's the reason One nation has suddenly
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Speaker 2: found itself being discussed in the same sentence as government.
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Speaker 2: So when exactly half of one nation's House of Representative
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Speaker 2: MPs goes on National TV and suggests Labour's immigration numbers
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Speaker 2: are actually not that different from their own parties, well
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Speaker 2: that's not a minus spill that can be mopped up
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Speaker 2: by blaming the ABC for being tricky.
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Speaker 8: I think given the fact that David is only a
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Speaker 8: new MP, he's only had a matter of weeks in
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Speaker 8: our parliament.
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Speaker 1: And look, these things do take time to get across.
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Speaker 8: And this is why I wouldn't encourage any of our
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Speaker 8: members of Parliament to do interviews with the ABC.
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Speaker 1: It's a gotcha program.
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Speaker 8: David did reveal to me that they invited him onto
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Speaker 8: Four Corners next week, which I reminded him it is
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Speaker 8: probably not a good idea.
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Speaker 2: Now, fair enough, David Farley is new to parliament. He
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Speaker 2: was elected eighty nine days ago, but it shouldn't take
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Speaker 2: eighty nine days to work out your party's reason for
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Speaker 2: being And here's the gotcha question.
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Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about big policy area for one nation. Immigration.
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Speaker 4: Can you just clear up what your position is on immigration?
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Speaker 3: If that is a gotcha question? My, oh my, here
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Speaker 3: was the PM today.
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Speaker 7: If there's one policy they've spoken about over the thirty
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Speaker 7: years that Paul Enhansen has been active in politics, as migration.
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Speaker 7: They can't even get a policy on that. On migration,
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Speaker 7: the one thing I think they could be consistent on,
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Speaker 7: they're certainly not.
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Speaker 2: The fact is is that when Farley was campaigning to
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Speaker 2: win the seat of Farah, he was arguing for higher
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Speaker 2: immigration then too, But.
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Speaker 5: It is three hundred and six thousand too many? Is
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Speaker 5: three hundred and six thousand too many? No, it's probably not.
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Speaker 5: We we're successful in one nation's water policies, we're going
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Speaker 5: to need more labor and we're going to need more
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Speaker 5: labor quickly, skilled labor. So for anyone to be able
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Speaker 5: to say what is the number today? Is you have
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Speaker 5: able to address this, what are we doing with productivity
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Speaker 5: and what are we doing with capacity building? Then you'll
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Speaker 5: get a true number that's required for Australia.
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Speaker 2: So before being elected as a one nation MP, David
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Speaker 2: Farley was arguing that more than three hundred thousand migrants
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Speaker 2: coming into Australia was not too many, and now having
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Speaker 2: been in Parliament a few months, he's still arguing that
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Speaker 2: migration should be in the hundreds of thousands as opposed
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Speaker 2: to one hundred and thirty thousand as per party policy.
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Speaker 2: Is he confused, as James Ashby says, or has David
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Speaker 2: Farley simply used one nation to get into Parliament where
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Speaker 2: he's now running his own race. That's the danger for
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Speaker 2: one nation, because the fear about one nation has always
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Speaker 2: been that their representatives will use Pauline Hanson to get
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Speaker 2: elected and then ditch her to do their own thing. Now,
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Speaker 2: I don't think the signs here are particularly good. Now,
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Speaker 2: maybe I'm being picky, but let me give you three
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Speaker 2: things apart from Farley's immigration comments that worried me yesterday.
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Speaker 3: First was how he referred to.
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Speaker 2: His party leader when talking about her court battle with
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Speaker 2: Green's deputy leader Marine Ferruki.
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Speaker 5: Have a listen be taken as an insult. It can
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Speaker 5: be taken as an affront, which Farruki did. Hanson's got
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Speaker 5: every right to challenge it.
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Speaker 2: Hanson's got every right to challenge Hansen as in his
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Speaker 2: party leader, Senator Pauline Hanson. Now, maybe I'm getting hung
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Speaker 2: up on something I shouldn't be, but I don't think
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Speaker 2: liberal MPs would refer to Taylor or Labor MPs to
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Speaker 2: Albanesi or Green's MPs referring to Waters to Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: as Hanson just lacks a little respect, A minor thing.
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Speaker 2: But everything says something, doesn't it. He's David Farley talking
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Speaker 2: about why he loves one Nation.
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Speaker 5: I needed two characteristics in a political party that I
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Speaker 5: couldn't see in the others. I need a political courage
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Speaker 5: and I need it tudacity. And what I get with
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Speaker 5: one Nation, I get that in spades. They are one
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Speaker 5: nation and name that for a reason.
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Speaker 2: Now is it weird for a one nation MP to
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Speaker 2: be speaking about the party as they rather than as we.
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't he say we are one nation. We're named that
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Speaker 2: for a reason, rather than they are one nation. They
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Speaker 2: are named that for a reason. Now again, maybe I'm
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Speaker 2: reading too much into it, But as a famous Jewish
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Speaker 2: carpenter once said, out of the abundance of the heart,
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Speaker 2: the mouth speaks. When David Farley refers to his party
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Speaker 2: leader as Hanson and to the political party of which
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Speaker 2: he's only one of two Lower House reps as they, well,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't exactly inspire confidence that he is all in.
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Speaker 2: When asked if he was all in. Well, here's what
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Speaker 2: he told the ABC.
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Speaker 5: I've got the full support of the party to pursue
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Speaker 5: what I'm doing, especially for Farah. I need political courage,
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Speaker 5: or want people who are prepared to spend their political capital.
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Speaker 5: And more importantly is the Pauline's demonstrated tenacity.
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Speaker 2: Now that sounded very much like one Nation exists to
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Speaker 2: help David Farley, rather than David Farley exists to help
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Speaker 2: one nation. He was James Ashby's conclusion to the matter
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Speaker 2: last night.
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Speaker 8: Look, I will admit today was not a great day,
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Speaker 8: all right, the mop and buckets dry.
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Speaker 1: I think tomorrow's a fresh day.
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Speaker 8: David certainly understands where he went wrong today, but I
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Speaker 8: think overall his value set is at the heart of
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Speaker 8: one Nation and he wouldn't be there without one Nation,
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Speaker 8: let's face it. So he understands the commitment to his
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Speaker 8: electorate and yeah, it's been a messy day, but we've
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Speaker 8: cleaned up what we can and we'll have to live
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Speaker 8: with the rest.
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Speaker 2: If David Farley keeps going off script, James Ashby is
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Speaker 2: going to need that mop and a bigger bucket. But
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Speaker 2: if David Farley decides that now he's in Parliament with
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Speaker 2: the big boys. He no longer needs one nation cramping
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Speaker 2: his style. Well, James Ashby's going to need more than
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Speaker 2: a mop, He's going to need a priest.
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Speaker 3: There's some political mistakes.
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Speaker 2: You can clean up, and then there's others where you
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Speaker 2: start looking around for an exorcist. Well, just when you
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Speaker 2: thought that David farley saga couldn't get any more awkward,
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Speaker 2: along comes the Sydney Morning Herald. The SMH is reporting
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Speaker 2: that last Wednesday, David Farley accidentally walked into a meeting
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Speaker 2: of about twenty Liberal MPs at Parliament House. According to
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Speaker 2: the report, and let me quote several liberals present said
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Speaker 2: the pharaoh MP took a while to realize he was
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Speaker 2: in the wrong room before turning to leave. I could
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Speaker 2: see myself sitting here, Farley told the MPs before walking out.
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Speaker 2: We were all taken aback, to be honest, said one
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP. It was a very loose thing to say.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is former Victoria Liberal Party president Michael
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Speaker 2: Kroger and former Labor Minister Stephen Conroy. Stephen, is David
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Speaker 2: Farley just a particularly accident prone new MP, or we
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Speaker 2: see something more fundamental about his relationship with One Nation.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think there's been a lot of innuendo about
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Speaker 9: his loyalty to One Nation. It goes back to before
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Speaker 9: the Pharao by election. But David can speak for himself
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Speaker 9: on his support for One Nation. I think the happiest
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Speaker 9: person wandering around in Australia the man was a guy
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Speaker 9: named Andrew Bragg who stuffed up the Liberal Party's immigration
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Speaker 9: discussion or by himself went off peace Angles Starter had
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Speaker 9: to call him and slap her around a few times,
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Speaker 9: and David Farley, I mean what it exposes is that
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Speaker 9: neither of these parties want to tell the truth about
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Speaker 9: what the composition of their immigration Polish'll come on, Matt
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Speaker 9: Canavan suddenly slapping Andrew Bragg, say no, no, we've got
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Speaker 9: to have the rural workers. You've got to have the
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Speaker 9: palm workers. You've got David Farley, you just told the truth. No, no,
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Speaker 9: the palm workers are in. They're fine. No they're not
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Speaker 9: They're not counted. So I mean both parties are playing
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Speaker 9: this game that they're trying to pretend their number is
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Speaker 9: really small.
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Speaker 10: But at the same time you got all.
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Speaker 9: These people who don't get classified because they're thirteen months
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Speaker 9: under the definition rather than twelve months.
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Speaker 10: So it's really simple.
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Speaker 9: You just say, here's the categories, and here's the number
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Speaker 9: per category that we're going to let in to make
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Speaker 9: one hundred and thirty thousand. Well, those are other ones
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Speaker 9: over there. They don't count, don't worry about it. So
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Speaker 9: they're all wanting to play tough, but none of them
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Speaker 9: are telling the truth. Really simple categories numbers subttal at
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Speaker 9: the bottom.
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Speaker 2: I have to laugh Stephen at a labor aligned commentator
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Speaker 2: criticizing other people for not telling the truth.
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Speaker 3: But we'll leave that one alone.
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Speaker 2: Michael, if you were Pauline Hanson, would you be treating
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Speaker 2: David How would you be treating David FARLEI? On the
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Speaker 2: one hand, you've got to pull him into line, but
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Speaker 2: on the other hand, you don't want to pull too
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Speaker 2: hard in case he walks into another party room, this
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Speaker 2: time not by accident but with intent.
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Speaker 11: Before we get to mister Farley, I thought Stephen was
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Speaker 11: describing Tony Burke there because didn't he wasn't Eve meant
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Speaker 11: to go to cabinet with a submission on immigration numbers, and.
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Speaker 10: We're having a quiet chat among ourselves.
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Speaker 1: He was told to wrack off anyway.
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Speaker 10: A Quiet Chatter book.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Farley.
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Speaker 11: Farley is excellent when he's talking about water and agricultural issues.
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Speaker 1: Mary Daling basin, this guy has.
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Speaker 11: A lot of knowledge about those issues, and I find
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Speaker 11: his interviews. I've seen him on Sky a few times.
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Speaker 11: He's very good, but he's very new. He thinks it's
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Speaker 11: all about him. He only got elected because he was
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Speaker 11: the One Nation candidate. And if he's not the One
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Speaker 11: Nation candidate, he's got zero chance of getting re elected.
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Speaker 1: He won't be a Liberal Party.
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Speaker 11: Candidate anytime soon in Pharah or anyone else. So if
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Speaker 11: he wants to have a career in parliament, he should
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Speaker 11: understand the basic lessons of what happened yesterday and listened
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Speaker 11: to mister Ashby, whose mop must be getting worn out.
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Speaker 11: He'll need to go to buddings for old Jim Jones
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Speaker 11: ash he'll be a budding's getting a whole lot of them.
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Speaker 11: But look, James, the answer is this in the end,
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Speaker 11: does it matter? No, this is all inside the Beltway.
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Speaker 11: Ninety nine percent of the country never heard of mister Farley.
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Speaker 11: The answer is on immigration issues, the electorates say forty
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Speaker 11: one percent electorate trusts One Nation and that's because for
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Speaker 11: thirty years Hanson has been consistent. We've lost our lead
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Speaker 11: on immigration, which is a terrible thing. Given the extraordinary
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Speaker 11: efforts the Howard government went to and we know the
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Speaker 11: history in two thousand and one on keeping our boarders
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Speaker 11: safe and then the Abbot government.
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Speaker 1: We've lost our lead on that.
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Speaker 11: People are voting accordance to their general impression of the
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Speaker 11: parties on immigration. And because Hanson has been so consistent
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Speaker 11: for so long, that's her number one brand equity. So
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Speaker 11: what mister Farley says and what happened yesterday doesn't actually
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Speaker 11: matter one jot.
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Speaker 2: Well, if one nation have a problem with David Farley
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Speaker 2: wandering off the political reservation, do the coalition have a
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Speaker 2: similar problem with Tony Abbott. The Liberal President is currently
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Speaker 2: on a cycling tour with a number of his colleagues,
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Speaker 2: including Liberal leader Angus Taylor, or as David Farley would
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Speaker 2: call him, Taylor. Here he was yesterday saying Section eighteen
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Speaker 2: C of the Race Discrimination Act needs to be reformed
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Speaker 2: or repealed.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 12: Of course, we all believe in free speech, certainly on
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Speaker 12: the conservative side of politics, we all believe in free speech,
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Speaker 12: and frankly, section eighteen C is currently constituted, is.
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Speaker 5: A risk to free speech.
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Speaker 12: As we're seeing.
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Speaker 2: Now we know Angus Taylor's riding the bike. I just
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Speaker 2: want to know who's peddling, Michael. There's currently no plan
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Speaker 2: for the coalition to change eighteen C. Who's setting coalition
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Speaker 2: policies at Tony Abbott or Angus Taylor, who is standing
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Speaker 2: silently beside him.
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Speaker 1: No thanks Taylor.
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Speaker 11: Obviously Tony is just reflecting, by the way and repeating
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Speaker 11: a position he's long held that eighteen c X needs
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Speaker 11: to be meted. I completely agree with him. Insult and
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Speaker 11: offend should be removed from action from section eighten C,
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Speaker 11: and I would think the High Court there's every likelihood
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Speaker 11: the High Court will overturn these decisions against Hanson on
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Speaker 11: the basis of.
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Speaker 1: The implied right to free speech.
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Speaker 11: If you can't offend or insult someone on the basis
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Speaker 11: of their national or ethnic origins, well, gee, the Irish,
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Speaker 11: we've said a lot about the Irish and the Poms
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Speaker 11: over the years, the Italians of everybody else, they've said
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Speaker 11: that about us. Of course, in a free society you
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Speaker 11: should be able to offend, it, insult people, intimidate to
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Speaker 11: me as in a different category. But no, Toney's just
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Speaker 11: reflecting and repeating something he's said for a long long time.
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Speaker 11: And it was early in the days of ten or
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Speaker 11: fifteen years ago that when the IPA started challenging this
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Speaker 11: restriction on free speech, that Tony Abbott excepted that position
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Speaker 11: and he's adopted ever since. But I don't know that
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Speaker 11: there's a current proposal before the coalition.
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Speaker 1: I think there are probably.
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Speaker 11: Other issues that they've got to deal with, like the
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Speaker 11: mounting national debt and the housing crisis.
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Speaker 2: Great point, Michael, because Tony Abbott had a chance to
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Speaker 2: appeal eighteen s didn't he Stephen when he was PM
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Speaker 2: he and he squipped it.
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Speaker 1: Well, he couldn't get it through the Senate. That's why.
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Speaker 1: That's why they couldn't get.
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Speaker 10: To blame someone else. Blame someone else.
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Speaker 9: Oh my god, I mean, how are humiliating for Angus
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Speaker 9: Taylor to have Tony Abbott completely going off piece standing
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Speaker 9: next to him and it's a mixed metaphor. We have
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Speaker 9: the in LICRA and you know we talk out off peace.
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Speaker 9: But Abbott just has to learn to shut up. That
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Speaker 9: was a humiliation of Angus Taylor. Abbott knows it, didn't
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Speaker 9: care and continues to run his own race, under mining
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Speaker 9: Taylor every single day. Every time he opens his mouth
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Speaker 9: to opine his views, he is sucking oxygen from Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 9: The fact we're not here talking about the Liberal Party
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Speaker 9: and Angus Taylor's policies is a testament to Tony Abbot's ability
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Speaker 9: to completely undermine Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 1: Undermined.
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Speaker 3: I see it slightly definitely uncomfortable.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of conservatives would listen to Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott and think, why isn't Angus Taylor taking more of
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Speaker 2: his cues from Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 9: Michael the definition of undermining him, He's.
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Speaker 11: Not unmining him, not undermining him at all. As I said,
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Speaker 11: everyone knows that's been Tony's position for more than a decade.
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Speaker 10: So don't be a Liberal Party president.
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Speaker 11: Well you're your federal It's good to hear from Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 11: I must say, I don't agree with him, but I
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Speaker 11: like hearing from Wayne Swan. Even though he was a
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Speaker 11: failed treasurer, his individual is not actuably he wasn't till
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Speaker 11: very recently. He wasn't till very recently. His indiventions in
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Speaker 11: public policy are actually very interesting. Whether you agree with
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Speaker 11: him or not. I mean Australia has a record of
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Speaker 11: former leaders, president's prime ministers talking when Paul.
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Speaker 10: Not Party of officials.
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Speaker 11: Well, Wayne Swan was very liquid in his comments when
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Speaker 11: he was Federal president and whether you agree or not,
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Speaker 11: they were always interesting to listen to. This is part
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Speaker 11: of the Australian political culture. It really isn't a big deal.
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Speaker 2: All right, we've had a shot at one nation. We've
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Speaker 2: just had a shot at the coalition. Let's make it fair.
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Speaker 2: We'll put the spotlight on Labour's ineptitude and there's well,
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Speaker 2: we're sport for choice, really aren't we. But Labour told
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Speaker 2: us their housing tax hikes would push up rents by
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Speaker 2: two dollars a week. Then again, they also told us
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Speaker 2: power prices would fall and that melons don't mean melons.
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Speaker 2: So I guess no one's surprised that the latest data
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Speaker 2: says rents have actually risen twenty one dollars per week
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Speaker 2: since the May budget and about fifty dollars per week
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Speaker 2: over the past year. A lot of commentators are forecasting
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Speaker 2: surges of up to thirty percent. Labour's Special Envoy for Housing,
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Speaker 2: Josh Burns, was asked how did the government get it
18:37
Speaker 2: all so wrong, and well he had no idea.
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Speaker 3: How did they come to that conclusion? Treasury?
18:44
Speaker 1: What is that based on or was it plucked out
18:46
Speaker 1: of the air.
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Speaker 13: Look, I don't have the full I don't have the
18:50
Speaker 13: full methodology of the Treasury modeling.
18:54
Speaker 4: Well, you're the special envoy for House, so i'd ask
18:57
Speaker 4: you know, we're the two dollars per week comes from.
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Speaker 13: Well, you know that's a that's a question we can
19:05
Speaker 13: get from the Treasury. It's an answer we can get
19:07
Speaker 13: from the Treasury.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I've got a question for you, Michael Kroger.
19:10
Speaker 2: Would you be more inclined to trust a Bureau of
19:14
Speaker 2: Meteorology or a labor forecast?
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Speaker 1: They're both very accurate.
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Speaker 11: Like the people that forecast the two nd seventy five dollars,
19:23
Speaker 11: I'd bring them back. Look, this is a total economic
19:27
Speaker 11: disaster facing this country, and as time goes on, people
19:31
Speaker 11: get to learn more and more about how their value,
19:33
Speaker 11: their their wealth is being trashed by this government. I
19:37
Speaker 11: think it's a trillion dollars worth of value of the
19:39
Speaker 11: housing market's gone since the budget. What people don't realize is,
19:44
Speaker 11: you know, James, in the last month, because moree applications
19:47
Speaker 11: are down. Bank activity is going to be down. Bank
19:50
Speaker 11: profits are going to be down. Did on the last month,
19:53
Speaker 11: ninety billion dollars has been wiped off the value of
19:56
Speaker 11: the four banks in this country in terms of their
19:58
Speaker 11: market cap. The Commonwealth alone has lost fifty billion dollars
20:04
Speaker 11: in market capitalization in the last month. Now there are
20:07
Speaker 11: eight hundred thousand come off bank shareholders. If they all
20:10
Speaker 11: had the same number of shares, they've all lost fifty
20:12
Speaker 11: thousand dollars each. As well as what they've lost on
20:14
Speaker 11: the house, these bank shares have had ninety billion dollars
20:17
Speaker 11: wiped off them. So all those Australians who've invested in
20:20
Speaker 11: the banks directly or through their super funds have lost
20:24
Speaker 11: an absolute fortune. And these are the we warned about
20:28
Speaker 11: that on Budget Night. Did that great treasure of Jim Chambers,
20:32
Speaker 11: you know, this sort of child of Jim Cans. Did
20:35
Speaker 11: he come out and say, amongst the billion dollars being
20:37
Speaker 11: wiped off the housing market, banks going to go down,
20:40
Speaker 11: ninety billion, mortgage applications are going to plummet, rentsing to
20:44
Speaker 11: go through the roof. These people had no idea, They've
20:47
Speaker 11: got no experience in themselves in the real world. That's
20:49
Speaker 11: why they've got no understanding what would happen? What just
20:52
Speaker 11: accepted Treasury's advice. They should have said to Treasury, hang on,
20:56
Speaker 11: there will be a lot of consequences of you dealing
20:59
Speaker 11: with negative gearing and capital gainsticks. What are the unintended
21:02
Speaker 11: They have no idea, They didn't know what questions to ask,
21:05
Speaker 11: and this is an unfolding disaster in Australia today.
21:07
Speaker 2: James Well, Steven, let me put this question to you.
21:10
Speaker 2: Can the PM reasonably poke fun at one nation when
21:14
Speaker 2: his own special envoys caught spooking modeling?
21:16
Speaker 3: He himself can't even explain.
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Speaker 9: Well, totally of modeling, you can't explain. I mean both
21:24
Speaker 9: the individuals who I think it was a nab and
21:28
Speaker 9: a real estate spooker both ran away from the thirty
21:33
Speaker 9: percent claim faster than Tony Abbot getting on his bike
21:37
Speaker 9: and pedaling off.
21:38
Speaker 10: They just ran away.
21:39
Speaker 9: So let's just ignore the thirty percent. And you just
21:42
Speaker 9: said they've gone up fifty dollars before the budget came out,
21:47
Speaker 9: so rens were already increasing. Now what economists do is
21:51
Speaker 9: I go hold everything else the same. What will be
21:53
Speaker 9: the impact on one pulse? That's our modeling is done.
21:55
Speaker 9: You know, it's all other things are equal, and then
21:57
Speaker 9: you allow one variable to change, and that's would have
22:00
Speaker 9: been how Treasure came up with their number. But there
22:03
Speaker 9: is quite simply. The tax changes don't come into effect
22:07
Speaker 9: till next year. So if people are getting in early
22:10
Speaker 9: to put up their rents, then they're doing it purely
22:14
Speaker 9: out of they think they can get away with it.
22:16
Speaker 10: No one will pointed at them. Well, I just wanted to.
22:18
Speaker 9: Congratulate Michael because I hope that clip goes viral where
22:23
Speaker 9: Michael's sobbing about banks and their market value. It's the
22:27
Speaker 9: sort of thinking that we'll keep the Liberal party opposition
22:31
Speaker 9: for the next teen years.
22:32
Speaker 11: Until workers look at their next until workers look at
22:35
Speaker 11: their super.
22:35
Speaker 10: Far liberals liberally God can't you status quo and.
22:43
Speaker 9: Cry crocodile teams for young people who can't get into
22:47
Speaker 9: the housing market. It's actually already having some impact according
22:51
Speaker 9: to the banks themselves.
22:53
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to cut you both off there
22:55
Speaker 2: coming up out of time, but I'll tell you what
22:58
Speaker 2: it's I think it's fair to say neither one nation,
23:00
Speaker 2: the Coalition or labor have exactly covered themselves in glory
23:03
Speaker 2: over the past twenty four hours. Thank you, gentlemen, appreciate
23:06
Speaker 2: you joining me tonight, all right, talking about one nation
23:09
Speaker 2: and the Liberals. Be sure to watch the News twenty
23:11
Speaker 2: four documentary The Fight for the Right, hosted by my
23:14
Speaker 2: colleague Chris Kenny. That's tomorrow night at seven pm. Coming
23:18
Speaker 2: up after the break. Security fears after Iranian hackers successfully
23:22
Speaker 2: infiltrated a UK power plant and shut it down for
23:25
Speaker 2: several days, plus concerns that new warships being built for
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Speaker 2: the Australian Navy will be largely ineffective because they're twenty
23:33
Speaker 2: five percent larger than they were supposed to be.
23:36
Speaker 3: Greek Sheridan joins me.
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Speaker 2: Next, there was a time when attacking a Western power
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Speaker 2: station required rather more than a laptop, an Internet connection,
23:48
Speaker 2: and a government that regards cyber warfare as a growth industry.
23:51
Speaker 2: But those days are well and truly over. Iran linked
23:54
Speaker 2: hackers have reportedly managed to shut down a small British
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Speaker 2: power plant for four days, the first successful Iranian cyber
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Speaker 2: attack on UK electricity generators. It didn't bring Britain to
24:06
Speaker 2: its knees. The plant was small and the national grid
24:08
Speaker 2: kept humming, but that's rather the point. The attack wasn't
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Speaker 2: necessarily designed to plunge Britain into darkness. It was a
24:16
Speaker 2: demonstration that the lights could, under the right circumstances, be
24:21
Speaker 2: switched off. At roughly the same time, suspected Iranian cyber
24:25
Speaker 2: operations targeted water infrastructure across multiple US states, American authorities
24:30
Speaker 2: have warned that hackers are actively targeting programmable industrial controllers,
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Speaker 2: the young, glamorous, little computers that help operate everything from
24:39
Speaker 2: water systems to energy facilities. And this should concern the
24:43
Speaker 2: West enormously because we've spent decades building critical infrastructure that's
24:48
Speaker 2: increasingly digital, increasingly interconnected, and in many cases, increasingly dependent
24:53
Speaker 2: on components manufactured somewhere else with outsourced enormous chunks of
24:58
Speaker 2: our industrial capacity. The countries such as China and then
25:02
Speaker 2: congratulated ourselves.
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Speaker 3: On the efficiency of globalization.
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Speaker 2: Now we're discovering that the civilization can be remarkably clever
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Speaker 2: at building an electricity good, for example, and remarkably stupid
25:13
Speaker 2: at asking who made the bits inside it. A hostile
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Speaker 2: regime doesn't necessarily need a bomb to destroy a power station.
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Speaker 2: It may simply need to find the door we left unlocked.
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Speaker 2: And Iran appears to be probing those doors. Today it's
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Speaker 2: a small British generator and the municipal water systems. Tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: perhaps the target is something larger. The West has spent
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Speaker 2: years worrying about whether it has enough electricity. Maybe we
25:39
Speaker 2: should start worrying about whether we can still control the
25:41
Speaker 2: machinery that produces it, because energy independence isn't much use
25:46
Speaker 2: if the power plant is ours, but the software, hardware
25:50
Speaker 2: and supply chain is not.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now.
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Speaker 2: As foreign editor for The Australian Greg Sheridan, Greg is
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Speaker 2: this best understood as an attack on UK in structure
26:00
Speaker 2: or more of a warning shot designed to demonstrate what
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Speaker 2: Iran could do if they really wanted to cause damage.
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Speaker 14: Well, James, it's great to be with you. I must
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Speaker 14: say I strongly agree with everything you said in that editorial.
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Speaker 6: Look, it's a bit hard to know.
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Speaker 14: We mustn't make the mistake of thinking the Iranians are
26:19
Speaker 14: all twelve feet tall and can do anything they like.
26:22
Speaker 14: On the other hand, they are a nation of ninety
26:25
Speaker 14: million people with a very high educational level, who have
26:28
Speaker 14: been extremely dedicated to acquiring offensive cyber capabilities. All of
26:34
Speaker 14: our enemies China, Russian, North Korea and Iran are good
26:37
Speaker 14: at cyber because they devote huge resources to it. All
26:41
Speaker 14: of our infrastructure is pretty vulnerable. Now we have the
26:45
Speaker 14: experience of the Ukraine War. The Russians weren't able to
26:48
Speaker 14: take out Ukrainian vital infrastructure because the Ukrainians devoted massive
26:54
Speaker 14: effort to very dynamic defense. But we're very lackadaisical in
26:59
Speaker 14: this country and across the West. We have, as you said,
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Speaker 14: huge amounts of infrastructure built, as one analyst put it,
27:07
Speaker 14: for stability, not for not for resistance to attack. And
27:13
Speaker 14: the lesson out of Russia Ukraine cyber conflict is you
27:17
Speaker 14: have to have very dynamic defenses.
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Speaker 6: You know, you don't just need to be changing your.
27:21
Speaker 14: Password every twelve hours or every four hours. You have
27:25
Speaker 14: to do all kinds of things to seek out intruders.
27:28
Speaker 14: You're right that a lot of our equipment has Chinese
27:34
Speaker 14: software or components. We've got to assume that that's all
27:36
Speaker 14: armed for potential cyber espionage, and we've got to create
27:41
Speaker 14: very dynamic defenses across all of our vital infrastructure.
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Speaker 6: Are we doing that? We're making some effort. Is the
27:48
Speaker 6: effort adequate?
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Speaker 14: No?
27:49
Speaker 6: Is it a huge vulnerability? Yes?
27:52
Speaker 14: Will the Iranians do this if they feel desperate, they
27:55
Speaker 14: sure will so I think this is a sign of
27:57
Speaker 14: things to come.
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Speaker 2: Security concerns have been raised over the six new Hunter
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Speaker 2: class warships being built for the Australian Navy. They're due
28:06
Speaker 2: to be delivered by twenty thirty two at cost of
28:08
Speaker 2: twenty seven billion dollars. The weight of each frigate has
28:12
Speaker 2: ballooned from eight thousand to ten and a half thousand tons.
28:15
Speaker 2: That's roughly a twenty five percent increase in weight.
28:19
Speaker 3: And the really awkward part is.
28:20
Speaker 2: That the ships are still using the same propulsion system,
28:24
Speaker 2: so the speed, the range, the endurance of our brand
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Speaker 2: new ships is compromised before they even hit the water.
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Speaker 3: Am I understanding this correctly? Grig?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you sure are, James.
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Speaker 14: You're batting one thousand to night or whatever the baseball
28:38
Speaker 14: metaphor is. Look, this is a ridiculous project. Twenty seven
28:43
Speaker 14: billion dollars for three frigates. These are the most expensive
28:46
Speaker 14: frigates ever in the history of the world. They're three
28:48
Speaker 14: or four times the cost of a nuclear submarine each
28:52
Speaker 14: and they are now ridiculous ships. This goes back to
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Speaker 14: the previous government. I can't blame it on labor very soon.
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Speaker 14: You figure in the previous government told me they'd ditched
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Speaker 14: the project if it wasn't that it would upset the
29:04
Speaker 14: Brits too much.
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Speaker 6: It's not all the BRIT's faults. It's largely our fault.
29:08
Speaker 14: The Navy and the Defense Force were instructed to choose
29:12
Speaker 14: a mature design already in service, instead of which they
29:17
Speaker 14: chose an experimental design not yet in service, and then
29:21
Speaker 14: they added massive new requirements to it. Very heavy radars,
29:25
Speaker 14: very heavy American combat systems. Now, if you're going to
29:29
Speaker 14: add all that weight, you can't choose this ship, you know.
29:34
Speaker 14: So now we're going to pay vastly more than we should.
29:37
Speaker 14: We're going to get a slow, fat frigate which is
29:41
Speaker 14: massively under armed anyway. It has thirty two vertical launch cells.
29:45
Speaker 14: Modern Korean destroyers and Chinese destroyers of one hundred or
29:49
Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty. We say it's optimized for submarine
29:52
Speaker 14: anti submarine warfare. If we had a navy of one
29:56
Speaker 14: hundred ships or something, you might have six or nine
29:58
Speaker 14: ships that couldn't defend themselves very well. But we're optimized
30:02
Speaker 14: to seek out submarines. But these are almost the only frigates.
30:07
Speaker 14: We've got the Anzac frigates are old age pensioners. They're
30:10
Speaker 14: in decrepitude. They should be put out of their misery
30:14
Speaker 14: or sent to a pasture home somewhere. We've got three
30:17
Speaker 14: air warfare destroyers. They've only got forty eight vertical launch
30:20
Speaker 14: cells each. The arli Burg has ninety eight or one hundred.
30:24
Speaker 14: I mean, this is just another mess for Australian defense.
30:28
Speaker 14: It will eventually produce a few jobs in South Australia.
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Speaker 14: It will have very little to do by way of
30:34
Speaker 14: making us militarily competitive with Chinese missions in our part
30:42
Speaker 14: of the world.
30:44
Speaker 2: You know the strange thing I find talking to you,
30:46
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, is I always end up feeling really depressed,
30:48
Speaker 2: but I enjoy the conversation nonetheless, appreciate you joining me tonight.
30:53
Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
30:54
Speaker 2: All right, Coming up after the break, the Prime Minister
30:56
Speaker 2: ignores the bleating obvious and claims it a blame for
31:01
Speaker 2: the rise in antisemitism. Plus, an Anglican archbishop apologizes after
31:06
Speaker 2: his cathedral features in a reality TV series about only
31:09
Speaker 2: fans and sex work. Nikir de Giorgio and James Bolt
31:14
Speaker 2: joined me after this new South Wales labour Premier Chris
31:20
Speaker 2: Mins was calling for a Royal commission into antisemitism, while
31:23
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanzi was still insisting we didn't need one. Eventually,
31:27
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister changed his mind and now Chris Mins
31:30
Speaker 2: wants the Royal commission extended by at least a couple
31:33
Speaker 2: of weeks so it has time to hear more evidence.
31:36
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister says that won't be necessary, which is
31:39
Speaker 2: an interesting position to take about a royal commission into antisemitism.
31:43
Speaker 2: Apparently we've got plenty of time to investigate the problem,
31:46
Speaker 2: just not enough time to investigate the problem properly. Anthony
31:50
Speaker 2: Albanese was asked about antisemitism today and I thought his
31:54
Speaker 2: answer was fascinating, not so much because of what he said,
31:57
Speaker 2: but because of what he didn't say.
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Speaker 7: Any Semetrism has no place. The presence of Neo Nazis
32:06
Speaker 7: in Australia I find just extraordinary in twenty twenty six,
32:13
Speaker 7: twenty years ago, where we're discussing neo Nazis, we are
32:18
Speaker 7: now on whether it's on the steps of Macquarie Street,
32:22
Speaker 7: whether it be the presence that we've seen some Neo
32:26
Speaker 7: Nazis here in Wa marching through parks in Adelaide in
32:32
Speaker 7: Ballarat Spring Street. You know, it is of real concern
32:38
Speaker 7: and any Semetrism has no place.
32:42
Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: I don't doubt that Neo Nazis are a concern, but
32:44
Speaker 2: although the main driver of anti Semitism over the past
32:47
Speaker 2: three years. Jordan minaw Iss Sky News host Nika to
32:50
Speaker 2: Georgio and Sky News contributed James Bolt.
32:53
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both, Danika.
32:55
Speaker 2: Why do you think the PM was so keen to
32:57
Speaker 2: emphasize Neo Nazis. Is it because they're an easy villain
33:02
Speaker 2: and maybe it saves him the uncomfortable, awkward moment of
33:06
Speaker 2: having to talk about those who might be a little
33:08
Speaker 2: too close to one of his key constituencies.
33:10
Speaker 15: Absolutely, it's always for votes, isn't it, Because this is
33:12
Speaker 15: exactly what we heard after Bondai. Fifteen people died, and
33:16
Speaker 15: immediately after Bondi he starts talking about Neo Nazis.
33:20
Speaker 6: Again.
33:20
Speaker 15: In my view, this is a way of him trying
33:22
Speaker 15: to say, to say the Muslim Muslim community his constituents, Well, look,
33:26
Speaker 15: you know I'm not going to single out radical Islam.
33:28
Speaker 1: Don't worry.
33:28
Speaker 15: I also think that neo Nazis are a problem. Now,
33:31
Speaker 15: I absolutely agree Neo Nazis are a problem, and I
33:33
Speaker 15: condemned neo Nazis. But what we are dealing with here
33:36
Speaker 15: and what we have seen more broadly around the West,
33:38
Speaker 15: is the threat of radical Islam now after BONDI, of course,
33:41
Speaker 15: it took the Prime Minister about thirty seven days to
33:44
Speaker 15: utter the words radical Islam. And here we are about
33:47
Speaker 15: nine months later and he's still dancing around the topic.
33:50
Speaker 15: And the way that he just kept talking there, James,
33:52
Speaker 15: did you see it was like a thought bubb He
33:53
Speaker 15: was like looking around, what else can I add to this?
33:55
Speaker 15: What else can I add to this thought bubble? But
33:58
Speaker 15: realistically we know that the number one right to the
34:00
Speaker 15: west right now is radical Islam.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, James, do you think he's uncomfortable talking about radical Islam?
34:06
Speaker 3: That's the way it appears to me.
34:07
Speaker 2: He'll talk about anything but that issue, which is kind
34:11
Speaker 2: of the main issue.
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Speaker 16: Yes, and far more comfortable talking about neo Nazis, which
34:14
Speaker 16: is a problem. As you say that everyone can get
34:16
Speaker 16: around like we need to defeat it. You know, I
34:18
Speaker 16: just really think, like we think back to when the
34:20
Speaker 16: Royal Commission was finally called, everyone on in Australia was
34:23
Speaker 16: saying we need a Royal Commission, Anthony Albernez, he found
34:25
Speaker 16: himself pretty much the only person in the country who thought, Okay,
34:28
Speaker 16: we don't need one, and then he finally cause of
34:30
Speaker 16: Royal Commission just so we can get that kind of
34:31
Speaker 16: reporting off his back cut to now he seems to
34:34
Speaker 16: be the only person in Australia who doesn't want an
34:36
Speaker 16: extension on this. As he said, Chris Mins wants an extension.
34:38
Speaker 16: I mean, he's falling back into the same back foot
34:41
Speaker 16: problems he had at the very start of this, and
34:42
Speaker 16: it's all entirely of his own making.
34:44
Speaker 2: Why do you think he doesn't want to extend the
34:46
Speaker 2: Royal Commission? Is it is he worried about money? Is
34:48
Speaker 2: he's what's the problem here? Why not go a couple
34:52
Speaker 2: more weeks? That was Chris Mins arguing me, So what's
34:54
Speaker 2: the big deal?
34:55
Speaker 15: Maybe he's worried what else might be uncovered, because I
34:58
Speaker 15: feel like politically there hasn't been a lot of blowback
35:00
Speaker 15: from the Royal Commission right now about the role of
35:03
Speaker 15: political leaders such as Anthony Arberneze. I don't think that's
35:05
Speaker 15: really been covered And I could be wrong here, but
35:09
Speaker 15: he's probably worried about what it may uncover and again
35:11
Speaker 15: he's pandering to the votes. He doesn't want this to
35:14
Speaker 15: go on because the Royal Commission is looking into anti
35:17
Speaker 15: Semitism and is always about if you talk about anti Semitism,
35:20
Speaker 15: he always has to talk about his lumbophobia.
35:22
Speaker 3: So I just think it's out of concern.
35:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, government have to base policy on
35:28
Speaker 2: what comes out of this Royal Commission, right, it seemed
35:31
Speaker 2: to me like a lot of the Royal Commission has
35:33
Speaker 2: been giving Jewish Australians a chance to vent twitch. I'm
35:37
Speaker 2: not saying that's not important, but that's probably not the sort.
35:41
Speaker 3: Of stuff you can build policy out of.
35:42
Speaker 17: Well.
35:42
Speaker 16: I think it's also like every time that we've heard
35:45
Speaker 16: this testimony coming out of the Royal Commission, it's been
35:47
Speaker 16: so heartbreaking. It's been such a constant theme of like, well,
35:51
Speaker 16: the failure of leadership in the onset, Like we were
35:53
Speaker 16: warning about this. I mean you say, like correctly that
35:57
Speaker 16: there's not being the whole you know, this person, this
35:59
Speaker 16: person is you know, ultimately responsible for a lack of leadership.
36:03
Speaker 16: But every single day that this Royal Commission keeps going,
36:05
Speaker 16: there's a risk it's going to become that way. And
36:08
Speaker 16: I think the longer it extends out, the more heartbreaking
36:09
Speaker 16: stories we hear, and sometimes we're going to start thinking
36:12
Speaker 16: to ourselves, why isn't anyone going in front of this?
36:14
Speaker 16: Why isn't Anthony any Albinizi himself going in front of this? Right, So,
36:17
Speaker 16: if you do have that extension, a couple of doors
36:20
Speaker 16: open up that I don't think Almineasy wants open.
36:22
Speaker 15: Say, there's such a lack of accountability when it comes
36:24
Speaker 15: to our politicians, and not just with the anti Semitism crisis,
36:27
Speaker 15: but even with COVID, you know, tooth separate. I think
36:29
Speaker 15: there should be a COVID royal commission, but our politicians
36:32
Speaker 15: need to be taking the stand to explain themselves.
36:34
Speaker 6: Yeah.
36:34
Speaker 2: From the very get go, this Royal commission into anti
36:37
Speaker 2: Semitism has seemed a very safe royal commission and I
36:40
Speaker 2: think the Prime Minister's determined to keep it that.
36:42
Speaker 10: Way all right.
36:42
Speaker 2: Sir John's Cathedral in Brisbane has apologized to parishioners after
36:47
Speaker 2: an Only Fans reality series currently streaming on a network
36:51
Speaker 2: I shall not name, filmed inside the church. The archbishop
36:55
Speaker 2: says producers misled the cathedral dean about the true nature
36:58
Speaker 2: of the Program Production company, though disputes that version of events,
37:02
Speaker 2: saying permission was obtained directly from the dean. So there's
37:05
Speaker 2: a fairly basic question here. Who was fooling whom? Denika,
37:09
Speaker 2: who carries the greater responsibility here the church for failing
37:13
Speaker 2: to properly vet a production wanting to use the sacred
37:16
Speaker 2: space or the producers.
37:18
Speaker 3: Who if they really?
37:20
Speaker 2: Do you think they really presented their intentions to the church.
37:23
Speaker 15: No, we know what reality TV producers are like.
37:26
Speaker 3: They would have presented.
37:27
Speaker 15: A very calm argument. And I'm sure when these women
37:31
Speaker 15: did enter the church perhaps then it was at that
37:33
Speaker 15: point the dean would have gone, these women haven't been
37:36
Speaker 15: in church in their entire lives.
37:38
Speaker 3: If you look at them for they were there, been great.
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Speaker 17: It's fantastic.
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Speaker 3: Look.
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Speaker 15: I was actually reading some of the comments on this,
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Speaker 15: and some person wrote, I've suddenly taken up a keen
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Speaker 15: interest in church, a sudden look. I think I actually
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Speaker 15: feel really sorry, genuinely for the dean in this position.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 17: Whether he just was good.
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Speaker 15: I know that you say this quite a lot, James
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Speaker 15: lovethy and perhaps that was the approach that was taken
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Speaker 15: by the church. But all you would have to do
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Speaker 15: is take one quick google of one of the women
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Speaker 15: involved in this, and you would know a lot about her,
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Speaker 15: perhaps a little too much about her, So I think
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Speaker 15: it's probably actually on the church's side.
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Speaker 17: Maybe not a google on the church's computer though probably not.
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Speaker 2: And maybe a little too much love at big there.
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Speaker 2: Adeka James always liked to do what about with these things?
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 2: I just find it interesting that the reality TV show
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Speaker 2: went to a church rather than, say, a mosque.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, the thing with what about is, Okay, what
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Speaker 16: outcome do you want there? Because I think we can
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Speaker 16: all agree like you shouldn't really film this out a
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Speaker 16: church or a mosque. I think that's disrespectful to both religions. Yeah,
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Speaker 16: and look, I don't see myself as a conservative really,
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Speaker 16: I've seen myself more libertarian. But this is a pretty
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Speaker 16: fascinating case of like this network, sorry, this streaming service
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Speaker 16: want to create a show, so they get these only
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Speaker 16: fans models to come in, and that's going to shock everyone.
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Speaker 16: And I get the feeling that they it didn't shock enough,
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Speaker 16: it didn't cause enough controversies, so now we need to
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Speaker 16: bring a church into it. And I just think, like,
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Speaker 16: how desensitized is our culture, especially young people, towards what
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Speaker 16: is actually shocking, what is actually like perverse that you
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Speaker 16: can't even just have a show with these only fans models.
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Speaker 17: You need to go a bit further. I mean that's
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Speaker 17: a bit weird to me.
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Speaker 3: That's a really great point.
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Speaker 2: All right, there's five Sydney Swans players seeking redemption at
39:22
Speaker 2: the moment. AFL CEO Andrew Dillon has announced the five
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Speaker 2: players currently stood down for breaching the club's behavioral standards
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Speaker 2: have also been banned from attending the Brownlow Medal. Count
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Speaker 2: but the players are still eligible to win the award
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Speaker 2: for the AFL's best and fairest player. James, you're an
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Speaker 2: AFL fan, Yes, a sad one because you support Richmond.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely hopeless, unnecessary. But what do you make of this?
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Speaker 2: They can't attend the Brownlow Medal, but they are still
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Speaker 2: eligible to win.
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Speaker 3: It is that confusing?
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Speaker 16: Well, so the votes for people that don't know the
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Speaker 16: AFL Brownlow Medal, the votes are already in like the
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Speaker 16: umpires of police of the vote.
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Speaker 17: So the names going to get read out on the night.
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Speaker 17: It's going to be awkward. It's going to be very awkward.
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Speaker 16: Over isaac Ena gets a pole, so you know, you
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Speaker 16: kind of it's going to be only even more awkward
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Speaker 16: if they're there. And I think banning them is the
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Speaker 16: right decision because one of that awkwardness, but two, like
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Speaker 16: they've all got partners, they've got people that were thinking
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Speaker 16: about bringing how awkward a position for them. They either
40:18
Speaker 16: stay home and subject themselves to the Instagram speculation of
40:21
Speaker 16: whether or not their relationships on the rocks, or they go,
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Speaker 16: and you know, it's just unbelievably awkward to be standing
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Speaker 16: next to someone who's you know, face suspension from their
40:32
Speaker 16: club like that.
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Speaker 17: So I think it's the right decision for them to go.
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Speaker 16: It's already going to be awkward enough when the names
40:36
Speaker 16: get read out, like and they're not going to win
40:38
Speaker 16: because Nick Dagos is going to win. So I think
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Speaker 16: it's the right decision or involved Just.
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Speaker 2: Just before we get to a break TONEKA, I'm keen
40:44
Speaker 2: to get what's your overview of this whole thicket's been
40:47
Speaker 2: going for a week now. Some people are outraged, other
40:51
Speaker 2: people are wondering what's to be I'm kind of more
40:53
Speaker 2: inclined just to sit back and wait for the actual
40:58
Speaker 2: police investigation and some more details to come out.
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Speaker 3: Because there's just a lot of hearsay, really, isn't it.
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Speaker 15: There is a lot of hearsay, a lot of online
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Speaker 15: chat forums going off, people saying different things. In the end,
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Speaker 15: you're innocent until proven guilty in this country under our
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Speaker 15: legal system in general.
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Speaker 10: The Swans were.
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Speaker 15: On the front foot very early. I think they've handled
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Speaker 15: this situation extremely well. The players have now been suspended
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Speaker 15: on to the end, to the end of the year,
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Speaker 15: of course, and investigation is underway. Let's let them do
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Speaker 15: their investigating. Let's let the AFL be part of this investigation.
41:26
Speaker 15: The hearsay is actually not helping. And my heart goes
41:29
Speaker 15: out as well to the families and the fiance is
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Speaker 15: the partners, because they would be really hurting right now.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, thanking you both for coming on and Anika
41:39
Speaker 2: will see.
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Speaker 3: You at ten gears now exciting.
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Speaker 2: On the late debate Without you, I won't be there,
41:43
Speaker 2: but I'll be watching.
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Speaker 3: Look forward to it.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic right, we're going to go to a break coming
41:46
Speaker 2: up next.
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Speaker 3: The death of Jason R.
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Speaker 2: Day sparks calls for restrictions on media reporting. Plus gender
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Speaker 2: fluid police in the UK given two sets of identification
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Speaker 2: documents so they can switch between male and female.
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Speaker 3: They please, that's next.
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Speaker 2: The death of former Cambridge University professor Jason R.
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Speaker 3: Day was a terrible thing.
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Speaker 2: Day was found dead in South London, leaving behind a
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Speaker 2: wife and two children, amid a media storm over the
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Speaker 2: outlandish claims on his resume. Amnesty International is blaming the
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Speaker 2: media for our Day's untimely death, saying that the sheer
42:24
Speaker 2: weight of coverage pushed him over the edge. There were
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty eight articles about Jason R. Day
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Speaker 2: in just nine days before he was found dead. Amnesty
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Speaker 2: International now wants the UK government to put a limit
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Speaker 2: on how many news stories can be published about any
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Speaker 2: one individual within the defined time frame. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: as Talk TV hosts Samara Gill, Samara, thanks for coming
42:46
Speaker 2: on the program. Is this a sensible move that could
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Speaker 2: save lives or is this a totalitarian idea that puts
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Speaker 2: George Orwell's Ministry of Truth in the shade?
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Speaker 18: James is absolutely the latter. This is a massive, massive
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Speaker 18: intrusion on the free press and free speech that is
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Speaker 18: being hidden behind this sort of thing called Our Day's
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Speaker 18: Law that they're trying to pass very haphazardly. I mean,
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Speaker 18: this is just merely a week after the untimely death
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Speaker 18: of the academic that we've largely discussed on this show.
43:19
Speaker 18: And I just think it's so rushed, and people are
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Speaker 18: absolutely going and vilifying the media for what they did
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Speaker 18: or didn't do to Jason our day. What about the institutions,
43:29
Speaker 18: what about Cambridge who ought to well, they were in
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Speaker 18: the process process of investigating themselves. They put that to
43:35
Speaker 18: the side now that he is dead. But I think
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Speaker 18: it's absolutely insane that they haven't gone after Cambridge, who
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Speaker 18: appointed him, promoted him, held him up and created him
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Speaker 18: in their image. They're not having a second look in
43:49
Speaker 18: And that's the horrible part of it. You know, if
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Speaker 18: we're having an inquiry, don't stop conveniently at the journalists.
43:54
Speaker 18: Let's talk about the other people that lifted this guy up.
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Speaker 18: And honestly, when I was looking into what Amnesty has
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Speaker 18: penned and the way that they're calling what the media
44:05
Speaker 18: did as a brutal racist witch hunt, you know, we
44:08
Speaker 18: need to identify what factual reporting was a brutal racist
44:13
Speaker 18: witch hunt, because I can't see anything that wasn't untrue
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Speaker 18: that was reported.
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Speaker 3: James.
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Speaker 2: It's a really good point, and it just amazes me
44:20
Speaker 2: in the UK, where it seems the reflex reaction on
44:23
Speaker 2: almost every issue is to censor people and cut free speech.
44:29
Speaker 2: But we can talk about the reasons for that another time.
44:32
Speaker 2: UK police have issued gender fluid officers with two sets
44:37
Speaker 2: of warrant cards so they can change between their male
44:41
Speaker 2: and female identities at will. Now, as I understand this, Samara,
44:45
Speaker 2: warrant cards are the official identity documents that police have
44:49
Speaker 2: to show before using their powers such as stop and search,
44:53
Speaker 2: which creates a bit of a question.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: If the law sometimes requires an intimate or thorough search
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Speaker 2: to be carried out an officer of the same sex
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Speaker 2: as the person being searched, what happens when the officer
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Speaker 2: can legally present themselves as either sex just by showing
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Speaker 2: a card.
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Speaker 18: I mean, this is the most lackadaisical approach to policing
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Speaker 18: I've ever heard of. I honestly thought it was satire
45:16
Speaker 18: when I read the headline, because you get two different
45:20
Speaker 18: identity cards if your gender fluid, so you can choose
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Speaker 18: one day to be male and one day to be female.
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Speaker 18: Under what some police forces are trying to do in
45:27
Speaker 18: this country, and it's ridiculous. I can only think of
45:30
Speaker 18: a horrific situation whereby a female has to be strip
45:34
Speaker 18: searched and a transgender police officer decides that they identify
45:39
Speaker 18: as a female that day so that then they can
45:42
Speaker 18: strip search that individual or you know, we're talking worst
45:45
Speaker 18: case scenario, but it can happen, and it has happened
45:48
Speaker 18: in other instances like nursing in the UK. I mean,
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Speaker 18: the UK's a mess right now when it comes to
45:53
Speaker 18: gender and sex. I mean we took five years to
45:57
Speaker 18: actually and three different court systems, multiple judges, eighty eight
46:01
Speaker 18: pages of legislation to even define what a woman was.
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Speaker 18: And I thought that that was kind of the end
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Speaker 18: of it all, and that we could close that chapter
46:10
Speaker 18: on a dark sort of a bit of history for
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Speaker 18: the UK where we couldn't identify what a woman was.
46:15
Speaker 18: But still police forces are dealing with these issues day
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Speaker 18: in day out, and gender and sex should be completely
46:22
Speaker 18: separate things. I believe in the police force it should
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Speaker 18: be like a medical card. If that is your actual sex,
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Speaker 18: then that should be what is on your card as
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Speaker 18: a police officer. But apparently it's just whichever day you feel,
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Speaker 18: however you feel about it, you can show up to
46:37
Speaker 18: work as a man or a woman.
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Speaker 3: It's ludicrous, it's unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Talking about police in the UK, members of the Greens
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Speaker 2: party in your country have proposed stripping police officers of
46:48
Speaker 2: their pepper spray and their tasers. So if police are
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Speaker 2: confronted by someone with a knife, what do the Greens
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Speaker 2: propose police do?
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Speaker 18: Oh my god, James, this is the same party that
47:01
Speaker 18: is completely unserious. They want to legalize all drugs, including crack, cocaine,
47:06
Speaker 18: fentanol and heroin. So I don't know how that's going
47:09
Speaker 18: to go under their green utopia. Whereby they've got a
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Speaker 18: bunch of potential drug addicts running around and the police
47:15
Speaker 18: officers don't even have tasers or I don't know, handcuffs
47:18
Speaker 18: at this point to even detain them. I mean, this party,
47:22
Speaker 18: it's worse than the Australian Greens. I can tell you
47:25
Speaker 18: that when you look into the legislation, I think they
47:27
Speaker 18: basically want just police officers who are going to shepherd
47:30
Speaker 18: people off the street and give them a bit of
47:32
Speaker 18: a counseling.
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Speaker 3: That's not what I want.
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Speaker 18: London is especially a mess, and our police officers don't
47:39
Speaker 18: even carry guns over here, so I don't know what
47:42
Speaker 18: the Green Party are trying to do, but I don't
47:44
Speaker 18: have much faith in whatever they're trying to put forward,
47:47
Speaker 18: and the future and policing in this country in general.
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Speaker 2: James, I'm going to tell you, Samara, when you say
47:51
Speaker 2: that the UK Greens are even worse than the Australian Greens,
47:54
Speaker 2: I can't imagine it myself. But what a miserable place
47:58
Speaker 2: you must have to inhabit these days. I hope things
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Speaker 2: change shortly. Thanks for joining me tonight. I really enjoy
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Speaker 2: catching up with you. That's it from me sticking around.
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Speaker 2: Coming up next is Sharry markson good Night