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Hour One | LSU Women's Basketball vs. UNT Dallas, Geography Lessons & Saints Misery · Off The Bench

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Welcome into Off the Bench. Ooh, you're scary. We're bringing
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  Speaker 2: And Matt Lynn.
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• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Here's Jacob Hester and Matt Lynn. Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, we do.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 6: I can't even see Matt.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have a shirt on.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the good-looking male model over here.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see if you had one minute and 58 seconds
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  Speaker 3: on your bingo card before you mentioned it.
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  Speaker 2: You win.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't even make the two-minute warning.
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  Speaker 3: Jake Flynn, Alondra, Tay-Tay, the Wolfpack, all here with you
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  Speaker 3: on this Wednesday morning.
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  Speaker 2: How we doing?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good. You know why? Because it's return of
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  Speaker 2: Coach Kim Mulkey on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Today?
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  Speaker 2: Today starts the week, ladies. In studio?
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  Speaker 4: No, not in studio.
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  Speaker 2: On the phone.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 2: But the return of her weekly visits.
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  Speaker 4: Here on OCB. Basketball season is underway. Exhibition still, though, right? Yeah.
• 1:57
  Speaker 4: The story, accurate. When do the real ones start?
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  Speaker 6: November 4th?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, first week of November. Well, we are all very excited.
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  Speaker 7: It's always fantastic to get Coach Kim Mulkey on the line.
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  Speaker 7: She always gives us a lot of wisdom.
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  Speaker 4: She does. November 2nd. Huh?
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  Speaker 6: November 2nd.
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  Speaker 2: I was close.
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes when we ask her questions, we don't even know
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  Speaker 7: it's going to lead to just an ultra-wise perspective.
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  Speaker 5: Seriously.
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  Speaker 4: I know. What are we going to learn today?
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  Speaker 5: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: But we're going to learn something. We're going to learn something.
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  Speaker 5: People are like, where's the Flynn voice coming from?
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  Speaker 4: There's a floating head out here. Joke's old, guys. Y'all
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  Speaker 4: say it every time I wear this shirt.
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  Speaker 2: So tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: Get a new one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow, they'll have an exhibition against Loyola of New Orleans,
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  Speaker 3: and then they.
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  Speaker 2: Start the regular season.
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  Speaker 4: How'd you know that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I wasn't even using your thing. Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. I'm on LSU sports.
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  Speaker 6: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: On October 22nd.
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  Speaker 7: LSU women's basketball defeated UNT Dallas 159-31.
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  Speaker 8: Which I discovered was a school this morning.
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  Speaker 4: That's a school. We just discovered that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know either.
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  Speaker 6: UNT Dallas. I don't know if y'all know this. Not
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  Speaker 6: too far away from Denton.
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  Speaker 2: At all. Where the real UNT is. It's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit north, right? I mean, a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: As universities go, not very far.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Not real far.
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  Speaker 8: How do we have two universities in north Texas and one's, like,
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  Speaker 8: not that far from the original one?
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  Speaker 4: That's a great point.
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  Speaker 5: Taylor this morning was like UNT Dallas. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's just UNT.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so like you have a- I'd never heard of that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you grew up very close to that. You'd
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  Speaker 2: never heard of that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, when you have like a- Okay, I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 7: Like, I know I don't understand how these things work
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  Speaker 7: all the time, but directional school U?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, North Texas?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Can you have a directional school U- Of Dallas. Of Dallas,
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  Speaker 7: but like, what if it's not in the right direction
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  Speaker 7: of the state? Can you have a UNT Houston?
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: You can have a North Houston because, of course, you
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  Speaker 6: can have like a LSU wherever in the state.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 7: But can you have a directional school? That's a great question.
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  Speaker 7: In a different part of the state.
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  Speaker 5: No, because.
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  Speaker 4: UNT El Paso.
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  Speaker 8: No, because I think that like the directional part of
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  Speaker 8: it is just like talking about the region that you're in.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think it could be like in the
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  Speaker 5: southern region.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but what if like it becomes this... Okay.
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  Speaker 7: An entity of its own. It becomes like a big deal.
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  Speaker 7: Like the university. Like Northwestern. Does Northwestern have another university somewhere?
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  Speaker 5: That's a better example.
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  Speaker 2: No, probably not.
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  Speaker 4: Something to think about, guys.
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  Speaker 5: It is. It's definitely something to think about.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm currently thinking about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking about it.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: What's another? I don't know. Think about it. We could
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  Speaker 4: probably just slam a Google on it.
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  Speaker 5: Probably.
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  Speaker 4: But what would we think about then if we did that?
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  Speaker 5: That's another great question.
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  Speaker 3: Here's something else that's going to get you. Chicago, where
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  Speaker 3: Northwestern is, is on the east side of the state.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. They're east-western.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good name.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, like, Chicago, so that's where northwestern is, is in
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  Speaker 3: the northeast part of Illinois.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that doesn't make any sense. I know. That don't
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  Speaker 4: make no dang sense. No.
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  Speaker 6: I think we do it right here. Like, northwestern, southeastern, geographically,
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  Speaker 6: those make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then ULL used to be southwestern.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: When I think about, like, the state of Texas, I
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  Speaker 7: don't think about Dallas or Denton being north.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I get it. It's getting close to Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But did they forget about the top part of Texas?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody forgets about the top part. Yeah, I think they do.
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  Speaker 5: Like the panhandle?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, did they forget about that part? It's a lot
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  Speaker 4: more north.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is more north.
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  Speaker 4: That would be north Texas to me.
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  Speaker 5: But I think they just call it the panhandle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they do.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 6: We need a Texas Panhandle University. Certainly further north than Dallas.
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  Speaker 5: No, it is for sure. That's what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: Huh. Something to think about. Another thing to think about.
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  Speaker 5: Food for thought.
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  Speaker 6: Dude, you got my brain in a blender this early?
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  Speaker 6: I forgot your original question. I've been sitting here for
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  Speaker 6: five minutes trying to think of what it was.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is there a city in the Panhandle besides Amarillo?
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  Speaker 5: Is Abilene up there or no?
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  Speaker 2: That might be the first time I've ever heard you
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  Speaker 2: sound country.
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  Speaker 4: Is Abilene up there?
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  Speaker 5: I didn't even try to do that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Lubbock's up there, right? Yeah, Lubbock's up there.
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  Speaker 5: It's like kind of there, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Although it's like in the base.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Amarillo would be.
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  Speaker 5: Right before the actual.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what a geography lesson based off USC Dallas.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to tell you. It's good stuff. It's good
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  Speaker 7: stuff right here. You ain't going to get this anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Probably not. I don't know. Murphy, Sam, and Jody might
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  Speaker 2: steal it.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great point. What to wear if you visit
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  Speaker 3: the Texas Panhandle. Top three outfits.
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  Speaker 6: Favorite Panhandle city.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: We got to start talking about this because the women's
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  Speaker 7: basketball team 5X' d them on the court.
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  Speaker 2: They did.
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  Speaker 8: 159-31.
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  Speaker 5: And we found our way back.
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  Speaker 4: There we go.
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  Speaker 3: Love it.
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  Speaker 2: Well done. Well done.
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  Speaker 5: Ninth in the AP preseason?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 5: Third in the media pool?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy. Five returners. And all that information right behind me.
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  Speaker 5: And six newcomers. Three transfers, one freshman, two international players.
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  Speaker 7: Eight McDonald's All-Americans on Kim Mulkey's roster this year.
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  Speaker 6: Where are you all getting all this information so quick?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I just knew it.
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  Speaker 5: Just off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's impressive that all of you, like.
• 8:23
  Speaker 4: Just boom, boom, boom.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe one of the co-hosts up here made an impressive
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  Speaker 7: PowerPoint slide.
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  Speaker 4: A little study guide.
• 8:32
  Speaker 6: Jake, you did that?
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: No, they know it's not me. Me, Jake. Me hate computers.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: Richard is not on the team anymore, so you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to worry about that mistake.
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 7: I already looked at that. I'll research that first. I
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  Speaker 7: will say, look, I was kind of impressed. There is
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  Speaker 7: a girl, a newcomer from the University of Florida with
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  Speaker 7: 97 career starts in the SEC.
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  Speaker 4: Layla Reynolds. Very impressive. That's a lot of stars. That's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of stars. I'm assuming that's a lot of stars.
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  Speaker 5: Feels like a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. How many games did you play a year?
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  Speaker 4: 40?
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  Speaker 2: Well, she was 29-6 last year, though.
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  Speaker 1: 35.
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  Speaker 6: Look at us.
• 9:15
  Speaker 5: Your laugh cough is killing me.
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  Speaker 1: It was great.
• 9:18
  Speaker 6: You don't sound sick at all, Matt.
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  Speaker 4: I've been sick.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: Start calling you Matt Flim.
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  Speaker 5: That was a good one.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Respect.
• 9:27
  Speaker 5: Matt Flynn is a good one. You got to admit.
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  Speaker 4: That was a good one. I like him.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: At first, he was like, I'm going to be mad
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  Speaker 2: at that. And he's like, damn.
• 9:34
  Speaker 4: Like it or not, I think I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: I got to respect it.
• 9:36
  Speaker 4: Like it or not, I think for Halloween, I'm dressing
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  Speaker 4: up as Matt Flynn. Whether I want to or not.
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  Speaker 2: Hell or high water, bud.
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  Speaker 4: That's you.
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  Speaker 7: Some people are like, why are you coming in? Like,
• 9:45
  Speaker 7: don't come in and get everybody sick. And I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 7: you don't have any grit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: If you get sick, that's your fault for having a
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  Speaker 8: terrible immune system.
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  Speaker 4: And your weak mindset. That's right.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: I feel great.
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  Speaker 4: A lesser mindset person would have been bedridden.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt.
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  Speaker 4: For at least a month. With what I've had?
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: A month. A month.
• 10:09
  Speaker 5: Wow, you're really powering through.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
• 10:12
  Speaker 6: Do you realize how much stronger you are than the
• 10:14
  Speaker 6: average human then?
• 10:14
  Speaker 4: A lot.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you missed half a show.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: Yep. Barely.
• 10:23
  Speaker 4: Or exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We're like, hey, you can go.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: Get out of here.
• 10:29
  Speaker 5: He loves it so fast.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Suckers.
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  Speaker 4: Got him.
• 10:34
  Speaker 6: There's a video of you on the security camera.
• 10:35
  Speaker 5: You were like, tiptoeing in my car. Not pretending he's sick.
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: Got off for an hour and a half.
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  Speaker 6: Those idiots thought I was sick.
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: Swear to God, I'm sick.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Out of the parking lot. He's about to go golf.
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  Speaker 5: Flashers on.
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  Speaker 4: I was supposed to golf that day.
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  Speaker 6: And yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, apparently I wasn't supposed to golf yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Whatever.
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  Speaker 4: You just had a golf. My Tuesday's mixed up.
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  Speaker 7: That's what they get for telling me the new plan
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  Speaker 7: when I'm just in a fever dream.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this golf tournament.
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  Speaker 4: Still going.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, but we made it through the bad weather. We're
• 11:17
  Speaker 7: in the good weather. This is the good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 4: So whoever we're playing. Is that? Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Is that Baton Rouge Country Club?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever we're playing. Like, you don't know they're social at
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  Speaker 2: this point.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Chance of rain.
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  Speaker 4: Family tree.
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  Speaker 3: Is there?
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That'd be classic. And Wednesday. We need a little rain.
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  Speaker 4: We could use it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could.
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  Speaker 8: If this gets postponed one more time, I'm going to
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  Speaker 8: ask you, like, is this a bit? Because the amount
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  Speaker 8: of times that this golf tournament has been brought up.
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  Speaker 4: Feels like it.
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  Speaker 5: And canceled.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not feels.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 6: It's been like five times, bud.
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  Speaker 7: So I never miss anything, right? I don't get sick
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  Speaker 7: a lot. And if I do, I still don't miss things.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 7: Or if I get hurt. I've had to cancel day
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  Speaker 7: of twice. That ain't me. One because of my back.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I forgot about that whole thing. Dang back. In 41,
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  Speaker 4: it's tough.
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  Speaker 6: That was two cancellations for that, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And the second one was because of the sickness. That
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  Speaker 7: would have just knocked anybody in the world down. Hard.
• 12:32
  Speaker 6: At what point does your... It's teams of two, right?
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  Speaker 4: Teams of two.
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  Speaker 6: At what point does your partner in crime and all
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  Speaker 6: this say, you know what? I got to get a
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  Speaker 6: new guy.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, we're... We're winners. We haven't lost in
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  Speaker 7: two years. Well, not a big deal. We just grind
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  Speaker 7: people down. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Just keep canceling until they forfeit.
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  Speaker 6: We're a ball control golf duo. No, that is serious.
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  Speaker 6: That's the complaint about this tournament every year. It always
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  Speaker 6: lasts until October. This one's going to last until November.
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  Speaker 2: You just said, hold my beer.
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  Speaker 4: Hold my beer.
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  Speaker 2: I got it.
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  Speaker 4: All right. This might be a record.
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  Speaker 2: It's never going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's going to happen next Tuesday, unless it rains.
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  Speaker 4: Or my back hurts.
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  Speaker 2: Or you got the sniffles.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going. We're going to play. I got to putt
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  Speaker 4: it down the fairway.
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  Speaker 2: No, because you're too competitive for that, bud.
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  Speaker 4: I'd probably win still.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: All right. We'll take a break.
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  Speaker 3: some like some actual end zone copy tape, but just
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: the run game, just some cutups or whatever. And I
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: think I felt worse after I did it. Like I
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: was like hoping I would feel better. Like, you know
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: how that's close. Or if that guy gets his hat across,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: it's going to be there. Or this guy has strong
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: outside arm presence. It's going to be, I didn't have
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: that feeling. It's discombobulated. Like, it's like, when a tight
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: end and a tackler are supposed to be working together
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: or when a tackle and a guard, any kind of
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: combo block, it feels like they've never done it together before.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: And it also feels like they have a different plan
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: of what they're supposed to get done, if that makes sense.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: And you know this, like when you're really able to
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: run the football, when you have a combo block. And
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: so when we're talking about a combo block, let's just
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: say a guard and a tackle are working from.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: The down lineman.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: And then one of them is going to go up
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: to the second level, be it a backer, Maybe if
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: you're on the outside tight end tackle, maybe it's a
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: strong safety situation, and you work together in unison to
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: get to that second level. One's going to peel off eventually.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: He's going to get to the second level. It's like
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: they don't know which one's supposed to get to the
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: second level. They don't know which one's got the D lineman,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and they'll leave them.
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: And if it's a combo block, it's those two guys,
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: they have to go to the second level. So their
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: responsibility is two people on defense. Now, how they sort
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: that out is up to them based on a pre-snap look.
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: So if you have a, whether it's a three tech,
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: a four tech, a five, wherever the defensive line, so
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: if you're a guard and somebody, depending on the leverage
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: of the defensive tackle, if it's you and the offensive
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: tackle that have to work to the linebacker, the path
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: of least resistance, right? The person that has the easiest
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: path to get to the linebacker, they're going to make
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: that call. Now, it's going to be a call. It's
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: going to be some sort of, like, maybe it's a
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: hip tap. Maybe it's some sort of communication between those linemen.
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: That's going to happen now when that when that communication
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: gets a little bit further out. So let's just say
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: it's a offensive tackle and a tight end that's off
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage. Sometimes that communication can be a
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: little bit more challenging than just like a guard and
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: a tackle. And then that's why crowd noise plays a
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: big part sometimes because we always talk about communication, the
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: quarterback communicating to the linemen and communicating to the running
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: back and how tough that is and how.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Hard the snap count is.
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: But the communication that happens between everybody within that tackle box,
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: within the line of scrimmage, the offensive linemen, the tight ends, receivers,
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: if they're in a nasty or a tight split, like
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: in a bunch formation, they're part of it. We showed
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: a clip a couple weeks ago and Eye in the
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: Sky about how I didn't love LSU's run game plan.
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: I can't remember which game this was. Maybe this was Kentucky.
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: I can't remember which game it was. I didn't love
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: their run game plan because they were pulling. They were
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: doing so many different pullers on the road, and the
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: communication and the coordination.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: That it took.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it was because they had a bunch
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: of– they were doing, like, sweeps and things and pulling
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: a lot of people with tight receivers and bunch formations
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: where there's just a lot to sort out. A lot
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: to communicate there. So that communication is done before the snap.
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: And if it's not correct, then everybody looks better. I'm
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: not saying that's what it is with the Saints. It's
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: probably a little. It seems like it's a little bit
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: or a lot a bit of everything that they're not
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: communicating well. They're not being coached to do the right
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: things well. They're getting whipped one-on-one. It just seems like
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: an accumulation or an amalgamation of a lot of different things.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: And good luck putting your finger on one. I'm being like, well,
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: this is the reason. I think the game plan stinks.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I think they're getting their butts whipped.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: And I think they're i think they're probably confident confidence
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: is shot so they're not playing with any swagger like
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: running games a swag thing professional sports is a swag
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: thing it's a confidence thing so like if you're getting
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: your butt whipped if you don't have confidence in the
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: person calling the play if you don't have confidence in
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: the person next to you on the field.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It's hard Here's another thing that I noticed watching the
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Saints run game. If you're doing something and it's not working,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: why do you continue to do it? So they either
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: run inside or outside zone 60% of the time. They've
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: run a little, I mean, just the tiniest bit of duo.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: They've run counter nine times, maybe 10 times. They've run more.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: They've run.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: More draw plays than they have counter plays. And they
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: haven't run power yet. Is Brian Kelly a special consultant?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: He must be.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Because if I was bad at running zone runs, which
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: they are, 60% of their runs are either inside or
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: outside zone. Even if I don't think, even if I
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: don't think I can get it done, I would have
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: to try a gap scheme.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I just, I would.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I would have to try more counter, which is you've
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: got two pullers coming around, the running back's aiming for
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the B-gap, and that's where that's supposed to hit, your
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: B-gap to expand. Or I'd run a power, one single puller, right?
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Running back going downhill at the A-gap until something forces
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: him out of the A-gap. It's a downhill play. Even
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: if I thought I'd be bad at it, I'm really
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: bad at running inside and outside zone. So why in
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the world would I not at least try to do
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: it during a game. Like right now, currently, you have
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: a rookie offensive lineman playing at right guard. Sometimes the
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: best thing for a rookie is pull and go hit somebody.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Just go pull, you've done it your whole life, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: go hit somebody. And that gets them in the game.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: That calms them down because they've done it so many
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: times and you just get the hit color based off,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: you know, are you going to kick the guy out
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: or are you going to log him? I just don't
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: understand if you're so bad at doing something why you
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: would keep doing more of the same thing And then
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: you look at it, and you're not running any kind
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: of gap scheme stuff.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You're just running all zone stuff.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: This past weekend in the running game, it looked like
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: there was a very good, physically talented, experienced, but really
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: smart defensive line that was playing against an offensive line
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: that's struggling to find its identity and struggling to have
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: any success. So they're trying to do everything perfect in
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: a blocking scheme. And when you do things perfect, you telegraph.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: You telegraph exactly what's coming. And when you play a
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: really talented, smart, experienced defensive line, they're going to see
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: a guard and a center working together or making these
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: little calls before the snap. They're going to hear all that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, good.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: Good NFL defenses with experienced players, they listen to every
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: single word. They shut up. They don't talk trash. They
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: sit there and they focus in and they hear every
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: single word a quarterback says. They hear every single word
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: a center yells out to everybody else. That's why as
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: an offense, like if you are. got experience and you
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: got a little swag to you that's when you start
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: saying fake words and that's when you start like trying
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: to mess with the defense that's when you're playing with
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: confidence this saints team is not playing with any confidence
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: they're probably if i had to guess walking up to
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage making the exact call and as
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: soon as they do and there's probably like there's probably
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: one person calling the mic for runs and then tyler's
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: calling the mic for pass plays yeah that's probably it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: probably it's like there's probably something as simple as that
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: so like okay it's a run Because I've been in
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: offenses like that, in the pros before. We had to
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: specifically start calling fake mics because we had a tendency ourselves.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: With one of the best offenses in the league, in
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: Green Bay, we had to start calling mics during running
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: plays because it was a tell. When you have an
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: offense that's trying to find itself and improve and having
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: no success, it's just like the coaches are probably like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: we've got to get back to the basics.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: We're going to go.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: It's going to be mic here. Y'all are going to tell.
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Y'all are going to combo block up to the, to
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: the will. And this is the call you make for
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: the combo block. Well, it's just like anything. Like when
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: we hear a quarterback call river, river, river, we know
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: something's going right.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: If they call it Lake, Lake, Lake, we know it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: going left. Well, the defensive tackles know that too. I
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: can only imagine how that experience veteran talented defensive line
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: was just listening and knowing every single run play.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: That was coming.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: Cam Hayward probably had a pretty good idea. You don't
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: think that they probably– and they watch TV copies too.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: We watch TV copies throughout the week to get any
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: code words, to hear anything because you got all the microphones.
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: You don't get that on the All-22.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: They're professionals for a reason, and they've been professionals for
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: a long time for a very good reason.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: And Alondra and I both sent this in the chat yesterday.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: You had a Steelers linebacker that said he noticed on
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: film that Tyler Shuck wasn't making any checks himself.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And that Kellen Moore relayed the checks in.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: And so then there's tape of the Steelers' defense staying
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: in position until the play clock got to under 15 seconds,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: where the communication goes down, and then that's when they
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: were stemming to different stuff. That's when the linebackers, as
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: soon as the clock got to 14 and the comms
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: cut off, there's videos.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: That's not real, is it? Yeah, there's videos of the.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Kellen Moore was making the checks? The Steelers linebacker.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: That's what the linebacker from the Steelers said.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Might as well put it right there.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: That he noticed on film that they weren't doing it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: It is real because Nick wrote about it. I saw
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Nick tweeted. He wrote about it last year. So they
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: did it last year too.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: What we're going to do next, have like big people
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: with like the big index cards.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: On the sideline.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I love those.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: And the Teletubbies dancing around.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Yes. That's my favorite.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: That's stupid.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I love the Teletubbies.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Got the five crayons over there.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Now I realize why the Saints are bad. It's their
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: college team.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: It doesn't work in the NFL because people are smart.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: And again, that's the biggest difference, right?
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: When you go to NFL, from college to NFL, people
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: are good and physically the best, right?
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: But it's the IQ. It's football IQ. It's what makes
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: the difference. Yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I thought– I don't– how do you say this without
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: being disrespectful to college football?
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: Because at that time, it is what it is. You're
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: learning everything because you're a college kid.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you think you know– and you do. Like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: we had a– I.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Think we had a more difficult offense to learn with
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Jimbo than most people would. But once you get to
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that next level, like, you have to– you have to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: put things on people's plates. You have to push their
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: limit of what they can learn in their football IQ.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: How many really good football players you saw got cut
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: for people that weren't quite as good at football as them,
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: but they could hold a lot more on their plate?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: And they could go full speed because they went full
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: speed with confidence because they knew what they were doing.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Where the guy that's faster is playing two steps behind,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: and so now their speed's the same.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I think these slappies made it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's not because we're physical freaks.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Speak for yourself, bud. So, 55 yards.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: In the air.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: When we, and I know you hate this, but we
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: used to start, I'd start outside, line up a receiver,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and then motion back in to the backfield.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I didn't get the Mike call on the road.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I had to know who we were declaring Mike.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I had to know, based on our offense, based off
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the look, as I'm motioning in from outside to the backfield,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: all right, here's who we would declare Mike.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: That's the Mike. Because I had pass protection.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I had the next two guys pass the mic. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: had the Sam and the strong safety in the corner,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: so actually three.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: And you have to know that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: And they have to trust that you know within the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: offense where we would point the mic here. And if
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: it was something where it was a foobar, then we'd
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: communicate that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: What does that mean? F-dub be on all recognition.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I said repair. That too. Works. Same thing. That's the
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: same thing. pretty much yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Anywho saints stink and they keep running the same run play.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: 60 of the time even though it works zero percent
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: of the time.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Look so far in the season.
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: Team stinks coaches stink front office stinks that's the that's
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: that's actual facts based on this part of the season
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: now can they change it absolutely so go change it
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: next week i want to say.
• 28:54
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• 28:57
  Speaker 3: want to ask our QB1 when we come back about
• 29:00
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• 29:03
  Speaker 3: is having to go through right now. We'll do that
• 29:05
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• 32:00
  Speaker 2: The Saints, QB1.
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  Speaker 4: Saved his life, yes.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints center Eric McCoy said the run game
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: struggles are putting too much pressure on Tyler Shuck to
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: do everything.
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  Speaker 2: And the results, well, we kind of know what they've been.
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  Speaker 2: He said, I think Tyler is a baller.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's the future of the franchise, and I
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: just feel like we put a lot of pressure on
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  Speaker 3: him today, and that's not fair to him.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: And I know exactly what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 3: When you can't run the football, when you run it
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: 17 times for 18 yards, and Tyler Shuck is going
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: to be as mature as any second-year quarterback, and I'm
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: not even talking about just his age and how old
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: he is, but if you've ever met or had a
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: conversation with him, he's going to be as mature as
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: any of them.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: But still, he's a second-year player.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And I think sometimes we all forget that because of
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  Speaker 3: how mature he is. The second-year player that you're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we can't run the football at all. We need you
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: to throw for 250 and three touchdowns if you could.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be nice.
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  Speaker 4: If you could do that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: And when you've got a veteran player like Eric McCoy,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: who's obviously going to have a deep relationship with his quarterback, saying, hey,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: we're putting too much on this guy's plate because we're
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: asking him to be.
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  Speaker 2: Superman, right?
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  Speaker 7: I think everybody in that building knows they got a,
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: what should be a franchise quarterback, what could be a
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: franchise quarterback. And I say should be and could be
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: because this, this far into his career, the saints have
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: been a disaster.
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  Speaker 4: That's not an opinion. That is, that's facts. They've been
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: a disaster.
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  Speaker 7: Um, Tyler Shuck is 100% absolutely been put in an
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: unfair situation. It is unfair to ask him to go
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: out there as a second-year player that didn't even start
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: the entire first season. That started halfway through his first season.
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: To ask a second-year player to go and win every
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: single game with your right arm. And guess what? We're
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: not going to help you. Well, we're going to help
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: you because we got a really good receiver. And receivers
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: have been a bright point of this, of the year.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: John Johnson has been a bright point at times, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: it is a hundred percent unfair to ask that go
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: win every single time we step on the field.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: I need you to win it. Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: And we do, we get a little, we do get
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: a little bit, I find myself forgetting that he's a
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: second year guy because of like, he, well, win the
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: last five games of the season last year, which was
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: an incredible feat to do, especially with who he was
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: throwing to at the time.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's why we were so hopeful going into this
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: year because, you know, you kind of.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: You reset everything. You reset everybody's health. You go into
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: a fresh season, got another year under your belt. Kellen Moore,
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: you got another year under your belt. I mean, it's
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: got to be better, right? It's got to be better.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Everybody gets better with experience. Well, they've gotten worse.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: They've gotten worse and it continues to get worse every week.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: It's disappointing to watch because if there was no bright
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: spots of the team, then it'd just.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Be like, well, this stinks. This stinks.
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: Well, now it's upsetting to watch because you see you
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: got the piece that everybody wants. You found the guy
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: that should be a franchise quarterback. How hard is that
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: to find?
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Ask the Browns. Ask like all these teams that can't
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: find one. Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: Saints had one for a long time. And that's a
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: blessing to have. And to be able to find another
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: one that you think could be another one, like that's
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: what's like, that is what's hit your head against the wall.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: Disappointing and frustrating is they found another one. They got
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: one and they are doing nothing. Absolutely squat.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: To help them.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: And that starts with the owner. And it starts with
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: everybody underneath that. Everybody's responsible.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: And you could make the argument, what do you mean?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: They signed, you know, Chris Alave to this huge deal.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, but.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: That was a no-brainer.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I was just about to say that that's an easy deal, actually.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: And, like, on a 53-man roster, I don't know where
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: in the world the Saints would be without Chase Young,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck, and Chris Alave. As bad as they are,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: think how much worse it would be. Without those three players,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: you can't have an NFL team based off three players.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how good. It could be the greatest
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: three players that you've ever seen.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: You can't be successful with three players. And so you
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: can say, well, they also helped him out by getting
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Jordan Tyson in the draft.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Did they?
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: He's very talented, incredibly talented. But this is why he
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: had red flags in the draft.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Because he didn't play.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: And now we're going into a bye week situation. where
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: you've played seven games and he hadn't played. Right now,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like close to play.
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: You would have helped Tyler Shuck. You would have helped
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: him more by drafting a linebacker. That's not even trying
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: to be funny.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: No, 100%.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Think about this. The Saints are awful.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: They have a dominant edge pass rusher, a young franchise
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: quarterback on a rookie.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Contract, and one of the top receivers in the league.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: And they stink.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: Those are the three things people die for. Those are
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: the things people trade their draft class for. And you
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: got all three.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Fix it. Can they fix it? Can they fix it?
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: They fix it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: The answers.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think they can.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: They can't. Someone else can.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Not going to be successful.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Just not going to be when you have situation where
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: if you take three players off that team, you'd be.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: A winless football team.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, yeah, maybe one.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe one of the three.
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I think you're exactly right in that situation as well.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: It's, um, And I do want to point out, like,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Chase Young, I'll throw Carl Granderson in that conversation as well.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: So there's a lot of guys on defense playing, but
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: I brought him up specifically because everybody looks for that
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: edge rusher, right?
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: That's when they get paid the big bucks.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys on that defense playing their
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: ass off.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I'll go through the list because I made a list earlier.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I'll give you the players that I think right now
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: are playing winning football on a 53-man roster, okay? Chris Alave,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Devon Bailey. Eric McCoy, Tyler Shuck. Sort of Caden Ellis,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: but he hadn't been healthy. I'll throw it out there
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: just for numbers sake. Carl Granderson and Chase Young. That's
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: seven of 53 that I think are playing winning football.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Not to say that everybody else on that team is
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: not straining and playing hard. That's not this conversation. But
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: playing winning NFL football, I feel like there's seven guys
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: right now that you can point to and say that's
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: winning football and national football.
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of guys on the team
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: that can play winning football if they were.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Put in a better situation, put in a better spot.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: That's fair, too.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: The rest of them aren't bad football. They could be
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: really good football players if they're putting in a better spot,
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: a more advantageous position.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Hey, a bit of laundry.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: What?
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: A lot of football left?
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: A lot of football left.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: A lot of football left.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: A lot of football left. Got time to turn this
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: thing around.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: And I don't really want to watch anymore.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Kellen, he's working on it, though.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: He's working on it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: Kellen, what's one of the main things that y'all got
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: to look at and focus on, Kellen?
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say we've got to evaluate.
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: That.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: You've got to evaluate your evaluation.
• 40:24
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• 40:26
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  Speaker 3: kind of wrapping up some of our new Orleans saints conversation. Again,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: you just continue to be bad running the football and
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: you continue running the same runs.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Just makes no sense to me. Try something different.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: There's, There's just too many other options, too many concepts
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: that you could run, and don't tell me you can't
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: When football started, gap scheme started.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: You've been doing it for as long as football's been football.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Try it out.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Give it a try because you can't do the other
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: thing that you're trying to do over and over again.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: And I know there's a lot of people that want
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: to point to, oh, Tyler Sheck's only good in garbage time. Well,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the whole game's garbage time with the New Orleans Saints.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: So that's his situation. That's what he gets to play
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: in because it's that bad.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: At this point.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, you have an offensive line right now that
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: outside of Eric McCoy, they're not giving you anything.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: And if Banks comes back, that's going to be, you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: something that could benefit you. I mean, Jawan Johnson's playing
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: okay at tight end. Noah Phan had a game. Oscar
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Delp's been a disappointment. Just not a lot to point
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: to to make you feel better about the situation. And
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: now at this point, You might not even be thinking
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: about Jordan Tyson. And, like, you might be like, hey, well,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: maybe we just sit him. I don't want that because, like,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you took him eight overall. But, like, that's a situation, too.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: That's going to get us.
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would think everybody's coaching for their jobs right now.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: They've got to at least think that. So, they're probably
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: going to put everybody they can out there, I would think.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Based on.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: The comments from Gail Benson and then the performance since then.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I guess you did win a game.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Just think if that pass gets completed to Isaiah, likely
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: in the end zone. When the Giants tied it up.
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: After 9, threw for 250 in the fourth?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: 248, excuse me.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: That's the issue for me, is I can't point to
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: a path down the road.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: That is going to be successful.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Like, oftentimes, like, if you have a situation like this,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: you say, okay, well, if you get to this situation,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: if you make a move in.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The offseason, you get this position, you draft well.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I just don't know that they're anywhere close to that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: conversation right now. No, no.
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: And they might win a game. Hell, they might even
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: win two. Hey, let's do more positive things next hour.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: All right. Dr.
• 44:34
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's positive. Injuries.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say more of getting to see, Doc. Ah, yes.
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• 44:47
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