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6/11/26: Trump Floats Taking Kharg Island, Prof Marandi Says Iran Welcomes Invasion · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do a lot of breaking news once again
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Speaker 2: with regard to our war on Iran. Bombs are flying,
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Speaker 2: there are some indications maybe they are still working on
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Speaker 2: a deal behind the scenes.
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Speaker 4: We will sort through it all.
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Speaker 2: Trump making some wild comments and threats as well, so
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Speaker 2: we'll play that for you too. Professor Morandi is going
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Speaker 2: to join us for the Iranian perspective. What he thinks
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Speaker 2: is going on and may happen next Brandon Ker also
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Speaker 2: president may want to do. So he's going to get
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Speaker 2: into all of that and also react to a very
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Speaker 2: troubling report from legendary journalist si Hirsh that Trump has
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Speaker 2: in fact floated a using ANUK in Iran, So get
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Speaker 2: then we've got Mika Brazinski with a wild question to
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Speaker 2: Graham Platner and an excerpt in The New York Times
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Speaker 2: of explosive behind the scenes information about how all of
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Speaker 2: to the influencers, Pam Bondy making a mess of things.
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Speaker 2: Who was arguing for what behind the scenes, and what
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Speaker 2: the president was up to during that time.
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Speaker 3: we're going to go ahead and start with all of
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Speaker 3: the craziness in the Middle East right now. Let's go
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Speaker 3: ahead and start first. What we have here is the
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Speaker 3: United States Navy releasing this disabling another tanker in the
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Speaker 3: Gulf of Oman. You can see that they shot two
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Speaker 3: hell fire missile at the boiler room. This is the
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Speaker 3: third tanker that's been disabled in an of days. Where
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Speaker 3: you're watching it. Here is actually an Iranian missile barrage
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Speaker 3: on an Air Force base in Jordan. Very noteworthy because
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Speaker 3: Jordan had not come under nearly as much attack. You
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Speaker 3: can see that some of the missiles were intercepted. Iranians
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Speaker 3: are claiming otherwise. This is a very important one. What
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Speaker 3: you're watching in front of you are actually Tomahawk missiles
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Speaker 3: which were fired from a US destroyer somewhere in the
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Speaker 3: Persian Gulf. But the reason why this is very important
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Speaker 3: from a military perspective is that it shows, even nearly
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Speaker 3: one hundred days now into the war, is that the
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Speaker 3: United States did not want to risk actually sending planes
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Speaker 3: over Iran, remember, because we had multiple shootdown instances.
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Speaker 1: So these are standoff munitions Tomahawks.
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Speaker 3: It is estimated that in the thirty nine days, maybe
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Speaker 3: thirty eight days of conflict, the United States spent thirty
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Speaker 3: percent of its entire Tomahawk missile inventory. So another fifty
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Speaker 3: Tomahawk missiles per the President and the White House that
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Speaker 3: were fired as of last night. Very noteworthy in the
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Speaker 3: fact that they were used. We also know from the
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Speaker 3: targeting many of the targets in Iran appear to all
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Speaker 3: be air base and radar systems which are along the
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Speaker 3: Straits Strait of Hormuz. Why does that matter because it
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Speaker 3: shows remaining that the US remains be deeviled by this problem.
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Speaker 3: We were told that the Navy was eliminated, that the
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Speaker 3: air force was eliminated.
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Speaker 1: Not even true.
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Speaker 3: Just saw video literally came out today released by the
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Speaker 3: Irridians of one of their fighter jets actually landing on
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Speaker 3: an air base. But it does show that they are
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Speaker 3: still bedeviled by that problem. Many of these installation sites
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Speaker 3: all along the Straight of Hormuz, and the most single,
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Speaker 3: most important use is those Tomahawk missiles. It tells us
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Speaker 3: they still do not want to risk sending planes over
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Speaker 3: Iran in the case that they get shot down, just
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Speaker 3: showing their overall military strength. So we did have Fox
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Speaker 3: News reporter Trey Yanks. He got a call straight from
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Speaker 3: the situation room last night. Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 5: Now, I just spoke with President Trump, who is currently
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Speaker 5: in the situation room with Vice President jd Vance along
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Speaker 5: with Special Envoys Kushner and Witkoff. The President giving new
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Speaker 5: insight into what is taking place as we speak. There
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Speaker 5: is an all ongoing bombing campaign against the Iranian regime.
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Speaker 5: The President tells Fox News that forty nine Tomahawk missiles
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Speaker 5: were used to hit targets inside of Iran, some of
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Speaker 5: them as close as forty miles from the Iranian capital
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Speaker 5: of Tehran. The President said that US fighter jets are
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Speaker 5: also operating over the skies of Iran, taking out radar
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Speaker 5: systems and air defense systems in the southwestern part of
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Speaker 5: the country close to the Persian Gulf. This is all
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Speaker 5: taking place as the Iranians are trying to get the
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Speaker 5: United States to stop the bombing campaign. President Trump told
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Speaker 5: me that Iran called him tonight tap Iranian officials and
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Speaker 5: President Trump spoke directly, according to the Commander in Chief,
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Speaker 5: tonight as the President was sitting in the situation room,
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Speaker 5: and he told me that the Iranians asked them to
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Speaker 5: stop bombing. And the President said to me, the bombing
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Speaker 5: will stop shortly. I asked him what will happen if
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Speaker 5: the Iranians do not sign an agreement that was put
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Speaker 5: forward by American negotiators. Trump said, quote, We'll bomb the
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Speaker 5: s out of them tomorrow night. I asked the President
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Speaker 5: if the seasfire is over. He told me this was
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Speaker 5: the most violated seasfire in the history of the world.
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Speaker 5: He also spoke about the broader situation, and Vice President JD.
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Speaker 5: Vance also spoke momentarily. The phone at one point was
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Speaker 5: on speaker, and the Vice President talked about how this
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Speaker 5: negotiating team has dealt with the Iranians, understanding that they
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Speaker 5: have to deal with both moderates and more extreme voices
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Speaker 5: inside of Iran.
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Speaker 1: We will bomb this shit out of them.
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Speaker 3: Trump told Trey, like his attempt to censor there on
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Speaker 3: cable television, we were going to bomb the shit out
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Speaker 3: of them today if they do not sign a deal.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that if we just bombed them for the
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Speaker 3: thirty ninth time, that this time everything will work out.
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Speaker 3: Let's put an A three up here on the screen.
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Speaker 3: The immediate response from the Iranians. Iran has declared the
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Speaker 3: Strait of Hormuz close to all shipping and has worn
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Speaker 3: any vessel will be targeted. The Armed Forces top operational command,
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Speaker 3: responsible for coordinating military operations, says the following, following the
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Speaker 3: criminal aggressions of the American enemy and considering the launch
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Speaker 3: of new attacks by the Invadi Army, that the country
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Speaker 3: is on the area of the South Province from this
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Speaker 3: moment ago due to insecurity in the region. The Strait
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Speaker 3: of Hormuz is declared closed for passage for all types
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Speaker 3: of vessels, including oil tankers and commercial ships. Any movement
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Speaker 3: of vessels through the strait will be targeted, and the
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Speaker 3: American claim regarding the past of his ship through the
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Speaker 3: strait is false. This was after Sentcom had denied that.
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Speaker 2: They're also and they're also denying Trump said in that
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Speaker 2: you know, to trade inks reportedly that he had spoken
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Speaker 2: directly with the Iranians. They are also denying that that
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Speaker 2: is going on. And I mean the one area where
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Speaker 2: they are in agreement is Trump said is the most
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Speaker 2: violated ceasefire in the history of time. And they also
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Speaker 2: are saying that, you know this, these attacks have made
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Speaker 2: the truce completely meaningless.
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Speaker 4: So today seems.
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Speaker 2: To be a really pivotal day, given that Trump is saying,
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Speaker 2: either we're going to have some sort of a deal,
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Speaker 2: you know, we're going to bomb them into negotiating, which
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Speaker 2: is something that he's been convinced of before, that if
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Speaker 2: we just have a little more violence, one more attack,
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Speaker 2: that then we're going to be able to succeed at
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Speaker 2: the negotiating table. So either there's going to be some
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Speaker 2: sort of progress diplomatically today or else it's looking increasingly
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Speaker 2: like we're going back to all out war.
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Speaker 3: I think that there's no question in terms of I mean, look,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Obviously, anything could happen. There are some
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Speaker 3: reports about talking and all of that behind the scenes,
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Speaker 3: but a couple of important things. We'll save that mostly
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Speaker 3: for Professor Morandi. But if we stick explicitly with what
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Speaker 3: we know, let's put a five up here on the
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Speaker 3: screen again, just to show everyone where all of these
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Speaker 3: things are going. At least four explosions were heard on
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Speaker 3: the coastal town on the eastern side of the Strait.
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Speaker 3: Another explosion was near the city of Minab, which, if
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Speaker 3: you'll recall, that's where that girls school was struck. Several
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Speaker 3: explosions were also heard near the port area on a
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Speaker 3: Gulf of Oman coast, and then an explosion was reported
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Speaker 3: in Iran's main commercial port and naval hub overlooking the
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Speaker 3: Strait of hor Moves. All of that indicates that the
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Speaker 3: US has looking at the Strait singularly as the Beije
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Speaker 3: military problem. What this comes on the heels of, if
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Speaker 3: you put it all together, is that the strait itself
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Speaker 3: reopening it is the only military objective now of the us.
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Speaker 3: They're not even pretending to strike military strikes or military
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Speaker 3: sites in Tehran, or you're in the nuclear facilities or
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Speaker 3: any of these places, which actually shows you the ball
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Speaker 3: is in Iran's court, because if they're able to control
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Speaker 3: the Strait now, as opposed to whenever what February twenty eighth,
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Speaker 3: when the war is launched, we are now trying to
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Speaker 3: solve a problem that didn't exist on the very day
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Speaker 3: the war was launched. It also, look, if Iran was
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Speaker 3: totally military defeated, as Trump has claimed I think yesterday
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Speaker 3: that Ryan and Emily covered, then they would not have
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Speaker 3: air defense and radar systems and missiles and drones that
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Speaker 3: they were able to launch as far away as Jordan,
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Speaker 3: at Kuwait, at Bahrain, all three which were also hit
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Speaker 3: last night.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, we have no idea.
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Speaker 3: There's all kinds of wild claims that are out there,
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Speaker 3: but one thing making clear to me, there is a
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Speaker 3: hell of a lot more censorship now coming out of
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Speaker 3: the golf. The number of videos and things that come
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Speaker 3: from the golf of showing interceptions all that is minuscule
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Speaker 3: compared to even when it was you know, I pretty
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Speaker 3: clearly the golf people have got this lockdown over the
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Speaker 3: last sixty five days, and I think a lot of
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Speaker 3: foreigners have probably left probably, so.
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Speaker 1: That's probably another part of it.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, we are seeing, you know, there's some
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Speaker 3: report of a hit on the US Navy Fifth Fleet.
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Speaker 1: Don't know if it's true or not.
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Speaker 3: We'll never know, to be honest, because it's not like
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Speaker 3: Sencom gonna tell us the truth.
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Speaker 1: I love.
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Speaker 3: I mean, just to show you all the level of nonsense.
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Speaker 3: Jordan came out and was like, we intercepted twenty missiles. Well,
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Speaker 3: Iran was like, well we only fired twelve, So how
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Speaker 3: does that work? You know what, Well, maybe the missiles
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Speaker 3: came for somewhere else. Somebody else can speculate that.
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Speaker 1: Or maybe they're lying.
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Speaker 3: And we've seen that very consistently from sentcom from the
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Speaker 3: US forces. They keep saying everything is fine, nothing's been hit,
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Speaker 3: and then six weeks later you're like, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: this entire place looks like the Moonscape in terms of
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Speaker 3: what has been hit. So just keep that in mind
10:53
Speaker 3: as some of these denials and other things are rolling out.
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Speaker 3: We have no idea the amount of US assets that
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Speaker 3: may have been taken out as of yesterday. Do know though,
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Speaker 3: that there was this major strike on an Iranian water stores,
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Speaker 3: a drinking water site. We basically one hundred percent confirmed
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Speaker 3: it's been geolocated and confirmed. Also, The New York Times
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Speaker 3: ran one of his investigative a series on it over
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Speaker 3: the last twenty four hours. They said, not only was
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Speaker 3: it struck, but it was struck deliberately. Pete Hegseth was
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Speaker 3: asked about that yesterday when he was at GITMO.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 6: So fire blockade is ironclad, which it is, and we're
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Speaker 6: able to move commercial shipping in and out of the
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Speaker 6: strait of horror moves? Who controls the strait of horror moves?
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Speaker 7: And President Trump.
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Speaker 6: Said it, and he's right, the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: Controls the strait of horror moves.
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Speaker 6: We're able to bring oil in and out and other
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Speaker 6: things with partners and have done so now for weeks
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Speaker 6: and weeks. In ways, the Iranians don't want to acknowledge that.
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Speaker 8: It strikes tonight.
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Speaker 1: Are they they bigger more strikes than last night?
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Speaker 6: We're not we as you know, we're not in the
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Speaker 6: business of revealing what we're gonna do or not gonna do.
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Speaker 6: But ultimately what we do tonight are going to advance
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Speaker 6: our military interests and also enhance our diplomatic position. Where
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Speaker 6: you just mentioned you're going to plan to hit them
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Speaker 6: and strike them hard tonight. If the response is in
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Speaker 6: hitting bridges electrical infrastructure, how would that not be a
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Speaker 6: wark on potentially targeting civilian infrastructure. But precisely the kind
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Speaker 6: of disingenuous question that I'm used to from the media,
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Speaker 6: impugning the motives of the folks on our side, who
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Speaker 6: are incredibly professional and incredibly effective. We will hit them
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Speaker 6: hard on our terms, on the targets that improve the
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Speaker 6: environment for us to operate in and undermine the capabilities
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Speaker 6: that Iron wants to have. Again, they can't do that
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Speaker 6: to us meaningfully the way that we can to them.
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Speaker 6: But we're also clearly signaling to them.
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Speaker 1: You have a choice.
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Speaker 6: You have a choice to in the way that you respond,
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Speaker 6: and you have a choice with the negotiate Our incredible
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Speaker 6: negotiating team in Steve Witkopf and Jared Kushner and the
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Speaker 6: vice president and the president, cross the board, Marco Rubio,
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Speaker 6: the whole team prepared to make a great deal that
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Speaker 6: would benefit it on they choose not to, and as
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Speaker 6: a result, they're going to meet the United States Central
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Speaker 6: Command again again tonight in the way the present laid out.
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Speaker 1: Clearly, Hey saith, this fully back to ra ra mode.
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Speaker 3: But you can see here z as specifically we controlled
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Speaker 3: the strait and more moves. But the strike on the
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Speaker 3: water storage site remains very important because that was one
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Speaker 3: of the main Well, first of all, you know, you're
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Speaker 3: not supposed to do that, it's just by any even
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Speaker 3: by the rules laid out by the United States military,
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Speaker 3: not even like Geneva Convention or any of that. But
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Speaker 3: second is that that was always something that was going
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Speaker 3: to be seen as a red line from the Iranians.
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Speaker 3: Now we don't know yet whether their full response has
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Speaker 3: been Frankly, it's been a bit muted. Now so far
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Speaker 3: they've only really targeted American sites. They have not as
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Speaker 3: of yet targeted any of the civilian infrastructure in the Gulf,
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Speaker 3: but that has always been threatened. Recall, they were very
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Speaker 3: much eye for an eye, Like you hit the South
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Speaker 3: Pars gas field, They're going to go ahead and hit
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Speaker 3: Ros Lafon Dohak, taking out billions and billions of dollars
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Speaker 3: in oil infrastructure. I'm not sure what their military strategy
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Speaker 3: is right now, but it does remain one where they
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Speaker 3: can use it, certainly as a pretext to go after
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Speaker 3: all those desalination plants all across the Gulf, which would
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Speaker 3: be equally critical for them.
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Speaker 1: As it is for Iran. So it remains to be seen.
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Speaker 2: Let's go and put a eight up on the screen.
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Speaker 2: This is what we've referenced a few times about how
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Speaker 2: there is this report according to a veteran political insider,
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Speaker 2: and this is from Homwaj Media in Tehran with knowledge
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Speaker 2: of the negotiations, alleging that there is a draft agreement
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Speaker 2: that has been prepared. That insider said that the text
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Speaker 2: is ready, it was finalized tonight. Gave credit to Qatar,
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Speaker 2: which has been separately engaging with both Iron and the
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Speaker 2: US to forge a deal. Now keep in mind, when
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Speaker 2: we say a deal, we mean a preliminary memo of
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Speaker 2: understanding to I guess have a more concrete case fire
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Speaker 2: since this these fire doesn't really seem to be a
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Speaker 2: ceasefire while the rest of details are worked out, says,
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Speaker 2: if they can get the final approval by tomorrow that
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Speaker 2: would now be today, it will be initiated. Spike in
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Speaker 2: Iron US violence comes amid mixed signaling that suggests possible
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Speaker 2: disconnect between what the respective militaries are doing and what
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Speaker 2: political leadership are discussing. Senior Iranian political source interpreted Trump's
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Speaker 2: decision to conduct strikes for a second night as reflecting
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Speaker 2: anger with an.
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Speaker 4: Apparent deadlock in negotiations.
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Speaker 2: While describing Trump as angry, the senior source lamented there
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Speaker 2: appeared to be little cognizance in the White House of
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Speaker 2: how real world armed confrontations are quote not a video game.
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Speaker 2: The Iranian leadership has authorized retaliatory strikes on US military facilities,
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Speaker 2: casting doubt on the prospect of a nod to an
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Speaker 2: imminent deal. There are indications, though, that both sides ultimately
15:42
Speaker 2: want to avoid renewed all out war. While the Iranian
15:46
Speaker 2: leadership has authorized retaliatory strikes, they also say last late
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Speaker 2: on June tenth, Trump claimed to have ordered a halt
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Speaker 2: to bombings after speaking directly with Iranian officials, alleging he
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Speaker 2: was asked to seize tax the US military and June
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Speaker 2: tenth struck a number of military sites in southern Iran.
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Speaker 2: Ronnie and Media has denied the claims about any direct contact.
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Speaker 4: Trump notably alluded to the coming.
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Speaker 2: Twenty four hours that would be today as being decisive
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Speaker 2: saying that if an agreement on the table is not
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Speaker 2: signed on June eleventh, will bomb the shit out of them.
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Speaker 2: So the idea that's being offered here is that the
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Speaker 2: strikes are more about two things, frustration with the final
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Speaker 2: hold up in the negotiations and also trying to posture, like,
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Speaker 2: you know, now, if he did this bombing and then
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Speaker 2: announced a deal, then he would get to look kind
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Speaker 2: of like a tough guy, like, oh, you know, they
16:39
Speaker 2: we came in and we were hard with them, and
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Speaker 2: we struck their you know, critical sites, and they were afraid,
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Speaker 2: and that's why we're able to secure this deal. So
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Speaker 2: what this the picture that this Insider report is laying
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Speaker 2: out is one of more posturing and face saving in
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Speaker 2: the you know, days before there's actually going to be
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Speaker 2: some sort of diplomatic breakthrough.
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Speaker 4: That's what they're claiming. Now.
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Speaker 2: I am skeptical because I don't think that when you
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Speaker 2: go in and bomb the country it makes it more
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Speaker 2: likely for a deal to happen. That is certainly not
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Speaker 2: what we've seen in the past. It's not what we've
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Speaker 2: seen in the context of this conflict when Iran still
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Speaker 2: has a very hard and you know a strong position
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Speaker 2: in terms of their leverage over the straight of four moves.
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Speaker 2: The nature, as Sager was saying before, of the attacks
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Speaker 2: where there were not flyovers, where these were just missiles
17:29
Speaker 2: launched from far away, shows the continued strength of the
17:32
Speaker 2: Iranian military and the Iranian position. We have been you know,
17:37
Speaker 2: to the there I almost have a deal rodeo for
17:39
Speaker 2: like sixty days at this point, so that also lends
17:42
Speaker 2: some level of skepticism, but we wanted to make sure
17:45
Speaker 2: to get in here that this is you know, this
17:48
Speaker 2: is a possibility, that that is what is going on
17:50
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, and that neither side really wants to
17:53
Speaker 2: go back to all out conflict and will you know,
17:55
Speaker 2: take some pain and some loss in order to skeer
17:57
Speaker 2: some sort of a deal. The other element of this
17:59
Speaker 2: that we haven't man it is Israel which continues to
18:01
Speaker 2: strike inside of Lebanon, and that is a red line
18:04
Speaker 2: for the Iranians, and they have already made clear and
18:07
Speaker 2: asserted that.
18:08
Speaker 4: That is you know, that that is a deal breaker.
18:10
Speaker 2: They will not move forward until there is a genuine
18:13
Speaker 2: cessation of hostilities from Israel against Lebanon, and has balot.
18:17
Speaker 2: So in any case, it appears to be you know,
18:21
Speaker 2: we're either coming to some sort of at least temporary
18:25
Speaker 2: deal and memo of understanding or spiraling back into all
18:29
Speaker 2: out hostiles.
18:29
Speaker 3: Well, while you were speaking, okay, some breaking news the
18:32
Speaker 3: United States from Donald Trump.
18:34
Speaker 1: Let's put this up in posts.
18:35
Speaker 3: We'll be hitting Iran, whose navy, air force, radar and
18:37
Speaker 3: anti aircraft are gone very hard tonight. At some point
18:41
Speaker 3: in the not too distant future, we will be taking
18:43
Speaker 3: carg Island and other oil infrastructure points and assume total
18:48
Speaker 3: control of their oil and gas markets, much like we
18:51
Speaker 3: have with Venezuela, which is working out brilliantly for both
18:54
Speaker 3: Venezuela and the United States of America.
18:56
Speaker 1: Thank you for your attention to this matter.
19:00
Speaker 4: Okay, well, what do you think of that?
19:02
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that that's a that that's
19:05
Speaker 2: an empty threat and again and posturing, or do you
19:10
Speaker 2: think this is really happening? Because with Trump you never know,
19:13
Speaker 2: because you cannot take his words a phase.
19:15
Speaker 3: Value, yah processing in real time. It's just basically two
19:17
Speaker 3: options is one. Remember he said We're going to end civilization.
19:20
Speaker 3: Entire civilization will die. Deny the cespire gets signed like
19:23
Speaker 3: twenty four hours later, so that's certainly possible. Also, would
19:26
Speaker 3: you really want to telegraph that you're going to take
19:28
Speaker 3: a carg Island before you're going to take carg Island.
19:31
Speaker 3: Probably not, because if you're like, hey, that's where we're going.
19:34
Speaker 3: So maybe they're not going to take carg Island. We
19:36
Speaker 3: previously talked about Keshum Island, which they might go ahead
19:39
Speaker 3: and try to take, or it might be used as
19:41
Speaker 3: cover for a nuclear you know, a paratrooper deployment in
19:45
Speaker 3: the nuclear area with Isfahan.
19:47
Speaker 1: So let's put that all on the table.
19:49
Speaker 3: At the very least, though, I mean, we're back to
19:52
Speaker 3: Belikostady and to Soar you know, sword waving, which the
19:56
Speaker 3: Iranian look. I mean, that's why while you were talking,
19:58
Speaker 3: was like, my only counter was going to be this
20:00
Speaker 3: would mean a totally different Iran, and Iran that would
20:03
Speaker 3: sit there. That from Iran for the last hundred days,
20:06
Speaker 3: which has consistently laid out a red line and said
20:09
Speaker 3: if you come and hit us, we're going to hit
20:11
Speaker 3: you twice as hard to establish the turns that has
20:13
Speaker 3: fit their entire pattern. There's no reason to say why
20:16
Speaker 3: they would capitulate right now to this action. I also
20:19
Speaker 3: just say, have no I just see no reason why
20:22
Speaker 3: you would say, at some point in the not too
20:25
Speaker 3: distant future, we will be taking carg Island and other
20:27
Speaker 3: oil infrastructure points and assume total control of their oil
20:30
Speaker 3: and gas markets.
20:31
Speaker 1: If you didn't mean it in some form.
20:34
Speaker 2: It does remind me, though, very much of like you
20:36
Speaker 2: were saying, the whole civilization is going to die. And
20:38
Speaker 2: then he said, we're going to destroy all of their
20:40
Speaker 2: bridges and all of their infrastructure. And that was that
20:43
Speaker 2: was an attempt by him to provide himself with cover
20:48
Speaker 2: in order to float this this deal, which was you know,
20:52
Speaker 2: so that he could look like, oh, we forced that.
20:54
Speaker 2: They were so scared that they came running to the
20:56
Speaker 2: negotiating team and we got everything that we want.
20:58
Speaker 3: I haven't responded very well to that in the last
21:00
Speaker 3: sixty days. Nobody find an idiot, right, you know, It's
21:03
Speaker 3: like it's one of the yeah, look here's the thing
21:06
Speaker 3: where we could assume strategy when in reality he's losing it.
21:10
Speaker 3: Like I think that's what do you remember the Project Freedom?
21:12
Speaker 3: Do we have any of that stuff in here? Sorry,
21:14
Speaker 3: just because we have a few more minutes before Mirandi, Yeah,
21:17
Speaker 3: let's put B two bring it in yesterday. Trump said,
21:20
Speaker 3: last month, I directed our great military to execute the
21:22
Speaker 3: secret mission to support one hundred million barrels of making
21:25
Speaker 3: its way through the strait. Now, first of all, one
21:27
Speaker 3: hundred million barrels roughly works out to two point five
21:30
Speaker 3: million barrels per day. Does anyone want to tell me
21:32
Speaker 3: how many barrels would move through the Strait of Horn
21:33
Speaker 3: moves on a normal day.
21:35
Speaker 1: Twenty million?
21:35
Speaker 3: Okay, so ten percent, roughly ten percent of normal traffic.
21:39
Speaker 3: And as I put out in my analysis, I was like, so,
21:41
Speaker 3: we're really bragging about the full force of the United
21:43
Speaker 3: States Navy.
21:44
Speaker 1: Billions of dollars million, tens of millions.
21:46
Speaker 3: Of dollars per day, billions of dollars per month, Apache helicopters,
21:49
Speaker 3: m Q nine, reaper drones, three dead Indian nationals, And
21:53
Speaker 3: all I got was a lousy ten percent of restoring
21:55
Speaker 3: this straight. What does that tell you about the full
21:57
Speaker 3: force of the United States Navies? But let's put that
21:59
Speaker 3: to the side. Why would you brag about a secret mission?
22:02
Speaker 3: If it's a secret mission that was working, why would
22:04
Speaker 3: you brag about it? Because you care more about the
22:05
Speaker 3: oil markets necessarily than you do about actually the mission,
22:09
Speaker 3: because now if they're like, hey, if this is happening,
22:11
Speaker 3: they're going to put more attempts to try and to
22:14
Speaker 3: stop it. Well, I mean there's no logic behind any
22:18
Speaker 3: of it, Like, why would you brag about that if
22:20
Speaker 3: it was real?
22:21
Speaker 4: Well?
22:21
Speaker 1: Is it all bluster? I don't know.
22:23
Speaker 3: I mean, at the same it would be shocking and
22:26
Speaker 3: insane to brag about taking carg Island. And we will say,
22:29
Speaker 3: let's put let's put some of the pieces together. Remember
22:31
Speaker 3: Ken Clippenstein's report. There are paratroopers who are currently in
22:34
Speaker 3: the Middle East. There's another true in Israel. But there's
22:37
Speaker 3: a very undernoticed picture that was put out by sent
22:41
Speaker 3: Coom two days ago. It was like paratroopers train live
22:44
Speaker 3: fire exercise in the Middle East. And I was like, oh,
22:46
Speaker 3: that's subtle, all right, So you have live fire training
22:49
Speaker 3: bragging by Sentcom. I mean it's possible.
22:52
Speaker 2: I think I think anything is possible because he is
22:55
Speaker 2: desperate and this is let's put a seven up on
22:57
Speaker 2: the screen. This is from sy Hirsch, you know, legendary journalist.
23:03
Speaker 2: He is claiming that he has a source inside of
23:06
Speaker 2: the Trump administration that you know that Trump at some
23:09
Speaker 2: point floated the idea of using low yield nuclear weapons
23:14
Speaker 2: to destroy quote, some of Iran's underground missile factories. He
23:18
Speaker 2: was told by someone with extensive knowledge of nuclear weaponry
23:21
Speaker 2: that it was a very scary and very serious moment.
23:24
Speaker 2: The President was depicted at this point to be desperate
23:27
Speaker 2: not to lose in Iran. His idea was to warn
23:29
Speaker 2: the Iranian leadership that we are very seriously considering such
23:32
Speaker 2: an escalation. I was told the president apparently was talked
23:35
Speaker 2: out of any thought of nuclear escalation. So this is
23:39
Speaker 2: one report based on one insider two Seymour hurt. However,
23:43
Speaker 2: it fits with the picture of Trump being beside himself,
23:47
Speaker 2: you know, incredibly erratic. Every week we go back to
23:51
Speaker 2: let's leak something to brock Revie, let's try to control
23:54
Speaker 2: the markets, Let's, you know, do a little bit of bombing.
23:57
Speaker 2: Let's tell Israel not to bomb. Then let's light Israel bombing.
24:01
Speaker 2: I mean, it just is the if you look at
24:04
Speaker 2: the entire picture, it is one of someone who is trapped,
24:07
Speaker 2: who doesn't know what to do, who is lashing out
24:10
Speaker 2: at times, who is trying everything they can possibly think
24:13
Speaker 2: of to get themselves out of a mess of their
24:15
Speaker 2: own creation, which is a disaster. I mean, if you
24:19
Speaker 2: accept the Iranian position and the deal that's on the table,
24:22
Speaker 2: you are acknowledging a humiliating defeat for yourself. If you
24:26
Speaker 2: go into full scale war with some sort of insane
24:29
Speaker 2: carg island operation or nuclear does operation or god forbid,
24:33
Speaker 2: you know, low yield nuclear weapon, that is going to
24:37
Speaker 2: be a disaster as well. So there are no good
24:41
Speaker 2: options on the table, and he keeps spinning his wheels
24:44
Speaker 2: trying to find one. You know, the reason I put
24:47
Speaker 2: some credence in the idea that this is a lot
24:49
Speaker 2: of bluster is simply because I do think he is
24:53
Speaker 2: terrified of going, you know, of doing some larger scale
24:57
Speaker 2: assault that would involve a ground invasion.
24:59
Speaker 4: I think he is terrified of that.
25:01
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's been after that whatever happened
25:05
Speaker 2: with the pilot rescue situation and how that went so
25:08
Speaker 2: sideways and was almost a complete and total disaster, he
25:12
Speaker 2: seems to have been from that point on very fearful
25:15
Speaker 2: of walking that next step up the escalation ladder, but
25:19
Speaker 2: also cannot accept the deal that would be on.
25:22
Speaker 4: The table right now. So there's no reason to say
25:24
Speaker 4: that I think today is really pivotal today is really pivotal.
25:27
Speaker 3: I think that's why there's no reason to dismiss that
25:29
Speaker 3: we have oscillated back.
25:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did for sixty days.
25:32
Speaker 3: Remember, by the way, it is by the grace of God,
25:35
Speaker 3: those pilots are alive. I was, you know, again, assume
25:38
Speaker 3: the actual story is true. But I mean, there's no
25:41
Speaker 3: reason not to, at least so far with the Apaches,
25:44
Speaker 3: which is that the Apache helicopters flying a drone. A
25:47
Speaker 3: suicide attack drone comes somehow. By the way, the Apache,
25:50
Speaker 3: as I understand it, the pilot configuration is like one
25:53
Speaker 3: one like here I was reading from a pilot It
25:55
Speaker 3: lodges itself in between it's on fire, so they have
25:58
Speaker 3: to do a powered descent in to the water, and
26:01
Speaker 3: then once they're in the water, they're picked up by
26:03
Speaker 3: this ai US Navy surface drone. So, first of all,
26:06
Speaker 3: from what I heard, if it's a pilot, impossible like
26:09
Speaker 3: out of a plane. Why because they're immobilized into their
26:12
Speaker 3: seats and they wouldn't have been able to get out
26:14
Speaker 3: as easy and wouldn't be able to swim to the drone.
26:16
Speaker 1: So that's number one.
26:16
Speaker 3: So like every step went right for these people to
26:19
Speaker 3: be alive, whoever these pilots are. But I mean, if
26:22
Speaker 3: we consider that Operation Trump previously had said that the
26:26
Speaker 3: red line was if Americans were killed.
26:28
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are barely you know.
26:31
Speaker 3: Seriously, Again, if the official story is true, which I
26:34
Speaker 3: currently do think so, because the Iranians did kind of
26:37
Speaker 3: acknowledge that they hit the pilot and all that, I
26:39
Speaker 3: don't really know why they would lie anyway, My point
26:43
Speaker 3: just remains. Because we have Mirandi standing by, this is
26:46
Speaker 3: a very very very pivotal moment. Let's talk to Professor Morandi.
26:49
Speaker 1: He's standing by.
26:53
Speaker 2: For the Iranian perspective on whatever is happening this morning.
26:56
Speaker 2: We are very fortunate to be joined by Professor Muhammed
26:59
Speaker 2: Mirandi of the University of Tehran.
27:00
Speaker 3: Great to see you again, Sir, Goodness Ezer, Great to
27:03
Speaker 3: see the two of you.
27:05
Speaker 2: So let me get your live reaction here to the
27:08
Speaker 2: lightest Trump truth social post. He says, the United States
27:12
Speaker 2: will be hitting Iran, whose Navy, air Force, radar, anti aircraft,
27:16
Speaker 2: and all other forms of defense, together with most of
27:19
Speaker 2: its offensive capability, are gone very hard tonight. At some
27:23
Speaker 2: point in the not too distant future, we will be
27:26
Speaker 2: taking carg island and other oil infrastructure points and assume
27:30
Speaker 2: total control of their oil and gas markets, much like
27:33
Speaker 2: we have with Venezuela, which is working out brilliantly for
27:36
Speaker 2: both Venezuela and the United States of America. Thank you
27:39
Speaker 2: for your attention to this matter. I know you're processing
27:43
Speaker 2: this in real time, but what is your initial reaction here, sir?
27:49
Speaker 7: It doesn't surprise me.
27:50
Speaker 8: I mean, that's the sort of thing that Trump does say,
27:53
Speaker 8: and that we've seen him carry it out in Venezuela
27:57
Speaker 8: and threatened to take Cuba, and he is currently strangling Cuba,
28:04
Speaker 8: and he's facilitating the genocide and ongoing genocide in southern Lebanon,
28:09
Speaker 8: and of course ongoing genocide and Gaza. So we have
28:13
Speaker 8: no expectations. But it's interesting that I recognize that there
28:21
Speaker 8: is an Iranian audience out there and they see that
28:26
Speaker 8: the Trump regime is not prepared to be reasonable and
28:34
Speaker 8: that it is openly saying that it's going to take
28:37
Speaker 8: Iranian resources and Iranian territory. So that is going to
28:41
Speaker 8: do nothing but unite the country further. If there are
28:45
Speaker 8: those who are saying that maybe we should find a solution,
28:51
Speaker 8: even though it may not be completely fair, and even
28:55
Speaker 8: if the agreement may not be fully.
29:00
Speaker 7: Just, but maybe we should.
29:04
Speaker 8: Accept an agreement with the Americans in the hope that
29:07
Speaker 8: Trump will back down and behave more reasonably.
29:10
Speaker 7: When they see this, they say, okay.
29:12
Speaker 8: Then the political forces in power in Iran, they're right.
29:17
Speaker 8: They have to be tough and steadfast with Trump in
29:21
Speaker 8: order to prevent him from stealing our land and resources,
29:27
Speaker 8: so he unites the Iranian people. Further, he tells the
29:30
Speaker 8: world of his openly eighteenth century, nineteenth century, early twentieth
29:36
Speaker 8: century imperial ambitions. I don't think it helps the United States,
29:42
Speaker 8: and he's going to fail. Last night, that huge offensive
29:46
Speaker 8: they it was somewhat bigger than the previous attack, but
29:51
Speaker 8: the Iranian response was also equally tough.
29:56
Speaker 7: The United States sitting open the.
29:58
Speaker 8: Strait of homos, it's not going to be able to
30:00
Speaker 8: open this rate of homos. And meanwhile, the global economic
30:03
Speaker 8: situation gets worse by the day.
30:07
Speaker 3: Professor, I want to ask the last time you were
30:08
Speaker 3: on our show, forgive me if I'm wrong, you seem
30:11
Speaker 3: quite optimistic about a potential deal. You know, we've interviewed
30:13
Speaker 3: you several times. You seemed fairly optimistic, and you're very
30:16
Speaker 3: tapped in. You you know, of course, have accompanied some
30:18
Speaker 3: of these delegations as an observer this time around, you know,
30:22
Speaker 3: just monitoring some of your communications, you don't seem nearly
30:26
Speaker 3: as optimistic. And I know that you speak to many
30:28
Speaker 3: of the people who are in power. What is the
30:30
Speaker 3: feeling in the higher echelons of power in Tehran.
30:35
Speaker 7: I've never been very optimistic.
30:38
Speaker 8: I'm just in general, I'm not a pessimistic person, and
30:43
Speaker 8: I am an optimistic person despite all the horrors that
30:46
Speaker 8: we see.
30:47
Speaker 7: Every day. You wake up in the morning and you
30:49
Speaker 7: look at.
30:50
Speaker 8: Your social media and you said you see dead bodies
30:53
Speaker 8: and gods and Lebanon and so on. But in general,
30:57
Speaker 8: I am hopeful for the future. I believe that at
31:00
Speaker 8: the end of the day, the United States is going
31:02
Speaker 8: to have to back down, whether it's by signing an
31:06
Speaker 8: agreement that's reasonable, or whether it's just going to have
31:09
Speaker 8: to sort of walk away or melt away, which is
31:13
Speaker 8: not going to be easy tomorrow. But the fact is
31:17
Speaker 8: that Iran has during the thirty nine Days War, during
31:22
Speaker 8: thirty nine days of hot war, it has shown that
31:24
Speaker 8: it could defeat a superpower, and it can defeat a
31:28
Speaker 8: superpower with its broad coalition, the regimes in the region.
31:31
Speaker 8: There's Radio Regime, the Collective West through their maximum pressure sanctions.
31:35
Speaker 8: Even Torkia's US bases and Torkia nato A wax jets
31:43
Speaker 8: were being used against Iran. The Republic of Ozarbaijohn was
31:46
Speaker 8: working against Iran, this huge coalition fighting against Iran directly
31:51
Speaker 8: or indirectly, and the.
31:53
Speaker 7: Iranians won the war. So the Iranians are competent.
31:55
Speaker 6: Now.
31:55
Speaker 8: What Trump is trying to do is to strangle the
31:58
Speaker 8: Iranian people.
31:59
Speaker 7: That's what this is about.
32:00
Speaker 8: To prevent food from getting in, medicine from getting in,
32:04
Speaker 8: from preventing Iran from gaining well through its oil trade.
32:12
Speaker 8: But first of all, that's a double edged sword, and
32:14
Speaker 8: it's bringing down the global economy. And second of all,
32:18
Speaker 8: if it was so successful, we wouldn't now be seeing
32:21
Speaker 8: the United States constantly breaking the seasfire over the past
32:24
Speaker 8: few weeks and attacking Iranian positions. So obviously, in siege warfare,
32:29
Speaker 8: the United States seas fire, they just sit back and
32:35
Speaker 8: relax and wait till the Iranian people die of hunger.
32:39
Speaker 4: I wanted to get your reaction too.
32:41
Speaker 2: If we could put a eight up on the screen
32:43
Speaker 2: here there was a report from Homewage Media that effectively
32:49
Speaker 2: the new bombing campaign from the US, and presumably the
32:55
Speaker 2: social media bluster threats We're going to bomb the s
32:59
Speaker 2: down of you, We're going to take carg Island, et cetera,
33:02
Speaker 2: are part of providing sort of rhetorical and military cover
33:07
Speaker 2: to enable Trump to accept a deal that is in
33:10
Speaker 2: fact close to being finalized, with credit to Qatar for
33:15
Speaker 2: mediating this. Now, this is based allegedly on an insider
33:20
Speaker 2: in Tehran. Do you think that that could be the case.
33:24
Speaker 2: Sagur and I were just talking about, or recall back
33:26
Speaker 2: when there was the you know, the threat to end
33:27
Speaker 2: the entire civilization and to bomb all of the infrastructure
33:32
Speaker 2: and the bridges in Iran, and that seemed to be
33:35
Speaker 2: an attempt by Trump to provide some sort of tough
33:39
Speaker 2: guy political cover for himself to then enable you know,
33:42
Speaker 2: the agreement of what we're calling a ceasefire, which is
33:45
Speaker 2: very much not a cease fire at this point. So
33:47
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you see these renewed threats and even
33:50
Speaker 2: the bombing campaign as an attempt by him to provide
33:54
Speaker 2: himself some political cover so he can say, see, look,
33:57
Speaker 2: we scared the Iranians. We bombed the shit out of
34:00
Speaker 2: They were so scared they came to the table, and
34:03
Speaker 2: now we've got this great deal.
34:07
Speaker 8: I don't know, because I don't think anyone knows what
34:09
Speaker 8: goes on in Trump's head, and so I have given
34:13
Speaker 8: up predicting Trump and I for a long time now.
34:17
Speaker 8: Whenever people contact me and say Trump has said this
34:20
Speaker 8: or he said that will be come and tell us
34:22
Speaker 8: what you think he'll do next, I say, look, I
34:24
Speaker 8: don't even read his material.
34:26
Speaker 1: I don't smart.
34:30
Speaker 8: Is something different and whatever I say is going to
34:33
Speaker 8: turn out wrong.
34:34
Speaker 7: So I really don't know.
34:37
Speaker 8: It sounds nice, but I don't see Patad as irrelevant
34:41
Speaker 8: because Patada is not a mediator. It is Pakistan, even
34:45
Speaker 8: though Pakistan is only sending the written messages back and forth.
34:50
Speaker 8: It is possible, and this is something that has been
34:52
Speaker 8: said in the past, that Trump make that the impact.
34:55
Speaker 8: The belief was in Iran many weeks ago, that the
34:58
Speaker 8: United States will ultimately attack Irani and then.
35:03
Speaker 7: Change its policies. That would be possible.
35:06
Speaker 8: So it's not impossible, but I don't think we can.
35:10
Speaker 8: I don't think that that's something that we should be.
35:14
Speaker 2: That.
35:15
Speaker 8: I don't think that's something that we can I don't
35:18
Speaker 8: think we can make predictions about Trump because he's just
35:23
Speaker 8: I mean, his negotiators. They have basically agreed on almost everything.
35:28
Speaker 8: We know that the general terms of the agreement and
35:32
Speaker 8: the Rinians are not going to accept any changes. There
35:35
Speaker 8: are some differences right now, but they're not The general
35:39
Speaker 8: terms of the agreement are pretty clear. But every now
35:42
Speaker 8: and then Trump comes up and comes out and says
35:45
Speaker 8: that I'm not going to give you Run's assets back,
35:47
Speaker 8: or I'm not going to lift the siege, or I'm
35:50
Speaker 8: not going to.
35:53
Speaker 7: And the sanctions.
35:55
Speaker 8: Well, your negotiators have written all this down on paper,
35:58
Speaker 8: So I don't know what he's going to do. Ultimately,
36:01
Speaker 8: I'm sure he's under a huge amount of pressure from
36:04
Speaker 8: the Zionist lobby and this Readar regime not to sign this.
36:07
Speaker 8: If I think if it wasn't for them, he would
36:10
Speaker 8: have signed this agreement a long time ago.
36:12
Speaker 7: In fact, I don't think that would have been a
36:13
Speaker 7: war in the first place. But we are where we are,
36:16
Speaker 7: and I.
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Speaker 8: Don't want to make predictions because whatever I say, you
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Speaker 8: can be absolutely sure it'll turn out to be wrong.
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Speaker 3: See this is fascinating to me, so sir okay, let's stick.
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Speaker 3: Then you say you don't want to look at Trump.
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Speaker 3: Let's stick with Iran. Let's put be one up here
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Speaker 3: on the screen, all ready to you, since I know
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Speaker 3: you can't see it. This is per our, baroque revide,
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Speaker 3: he says. Iranian and US officials held parallel talks with
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Speaker 3: Katari mediators in Doha over the last two days. The
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Speaker 3: Kataris tried to arrange a trilateral meeting to directly negotiate
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Speaker 3: on the remaining gaps, but the Iranians refused. What do
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Speaker 3: you first of all, I mean, I'm sure you know
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Speaker 3: maybe some of these mediators.
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about their thinking?
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Speaker 3: Why are they refusing to meet one on one with
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Speaker 3: the United States or, at least in this case, with
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Speaker 3: the Doha.
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Speaker 1: The Qataris as mediators.
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Speaker 8: Well as far as I know, and I have to
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Speaker 8: look into this, but as far as I know, Doha's
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Speaker 8: role has been mostly about facilitating the transfer of Iranian
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Speaker 8: stolen assets back to Iran.
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Speaker 7: The reason why.
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Speaker 8: Iran wants these is because Iran in the past, whenever
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Speaker 8: they negotiated with the United States, when it came down
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Speaker 8: to implementation, the Americans with cheat Iran.
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Speaker 7: Obama did that. That's always been the case with the Americans.
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Speaker 8: So here they're saying no, at the very beginning, you
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Speaker 8: have to end the genocide, you have to end the
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Speaker 8: slaughter and Lebanon and Godza, you have to end the war,
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Speaker 8: and you have to hand over that money and then
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Speaker 8: we can go forward, because we know that if we
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Speaker 8: start to deal, when you don't hand them over, we're
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Speaker 8: never going to see our money again.
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Speaker 7: So that that is one.
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Speaker 8: Issue Doha, whether it's Doha or Podkistan or anyone else.
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Speaker 8: The Iranians prefer not to negotiate directly with the United
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Speaker 8: States because the United States, whenever we did negotiate with
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Speaker 8: them directly, it bore no fruit. It made them more demanding,
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Speaker 8: it made them more aggressive, and later on they refused
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Speaker 8: to acknowledge many of the promises that they made for Iran.
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Speaker 8: The best thing right now is for everything to be
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Speaker 8: on paper. Trump tomorrow says that I never agreed to
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Speaker 8: and the siege. All they have to do is say,
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Speaker 8: your negotiators wrote this down on paper. We spent a
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Speaker 8: full day in Islamabad and the two sides were negotiating
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Speaker 8: from morning till night. The Iranian team had experts with them.
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Speaker 8: The chief negotiator was an associate professor at my university.
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Speaker 8: The Speaker of Parliament on one hand, the deputy head
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Speaker 8: at the Supreme National Security Council, another professor at a
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Speaker 8: different university. The third the Foreign Minister, a PhD holder.
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Speaker 8: And then on the other side you had bands, and
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Speaker 8: you had two real estate agents. And the vance was
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Speaker 8: from morning till night making phone calls to people in
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Speaker 8: Washington and Israel, and he had no authority. They were
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Speaker 8: not serious. The Runian side had experts from the Central Bank.
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Speaker 8: The head of the Central Bank was there the running
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Speaker 8: the experts in different fields so that they could solve
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Speaker 8: all the issues. But the Americans were not serious. So
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Speaker 8: the necessity of the two sides sitting together, I don't think, really,
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Speaker 8: I don't think there's a necessity for them to sit together.
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Speaker 8: If the Americans at some point do you signed a
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Speaker 8: deal and they have eyed by the deal, then perhaps
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Speaker 8: in future they could have direct negotiations. But at the
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Speaker 8: moment all they do is bombing, run and make threats
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Speaker 8: and hexit after consuming lots of alcohol, he goes on rats,
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Speaker 8: or at least it seems like he's taking if I
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Speaker 8: hope he's drinking alcohol, because if he's not and he's
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Speaker 8: talking like this, that's really scary. But you know, what's
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Speaker 8: the use of speaking to these people directly?
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Speaker 4: So let me ask you.
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Speaker 2: Let's say the threats from Trump are real, right, and
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Speaker 2: they're really going to do some sort of an operation
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Speaker 2: and try to take Cargo Island, that they're going to
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Speaker 2: escalate even beyond what's already happened overnight. What do you
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Speaker 2: see as the options on the table for an Iranian response?
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Speaker 8: You know, I've discussed this during the war, during the
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Speaker 8: thirty nine Day War on different programs. The Iranians want
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Speaker 8: the United States to enter Iranian territory. They want them
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Speaker 8: to occupy parts of Iran because that's when they can
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Speaker 8: hit the United States the hardest. When the Americans occupy islands,
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Speaker 8: when they occupy the mainland, then the Iranians will hit.
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Speaker 8: Just as the Iranians have prepared all these underground missile
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Speaker 8: cities and drone cities, an extraordinary achievement, something that military
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Speaker 8: universities will be discussing for decades to come, and all
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Speaker 8: these underground factories and assets and so on. They also
41:21
Speaker 8: made preparations for land battle as well, because this whole purpose,
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Speaker 8: the whole purpose of all of this was to defend
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Speaker 8: Iran against an American invasion, and therefore when the United
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Speaker 8: States comes in, then the ir audience can strike them
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Speaker 8: with missiles, with drones, with artillery, with ambushes, and so
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Speaker 8: on and so forth. I mean, look at the Israeli
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Speaker 8: regime right now in southern Lebanon. Hezbola is hitting them
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Speaker 8: very hard, despite the fact that Hesbula is completely surrounded.
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Speaker 8: You have one proxy of the United States in Syria,
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Speaker 8: Isis and the al Qaeda government. You have the government
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Speaker 8: in Beirut, which is a US proxy. It has no
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Speaker 8: popular mandate. They are trying to squeeze the resistance. They
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Speaker 8: don't allow the refugees from the south to go into
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Speaker 8: different cities and neighborhoods. They're just prevented from moving around
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Speaker 8: in their own country. They won't let aid from Iraq
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Speaker 8: or Iran, blankets, hands, food, anything to get to them.
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Speaker 7: They want to starve the people. They want to break
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Speaker 7: their will.
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Speaker 8: And then of course all of many of these refugees
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Speaker 8: gathered into Dahi init the Southern Bay route, and then
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Speaker 8: Israel wanted to flatten it, and of course no one
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Speaker 8: in the West Haird.
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Speaker 7: So Iran had to step in.
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Speaker 8: But the point is that the reason why the Israelis
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Speaker 8: are being so genocidal is because they're in such rage
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Speaker 8: that Hesbela is hitting them hard across the board in
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Speaker 8: the South. So if Hezbela can do that to Israel,
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Speaker 8: you can be absolutely certain that Iran, after being able
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Speaker 8: to keep to defeat the United States literally on the battlefield,
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Speaker 8: after thirty nine days, they can defeat the United States
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Speaker 8: on the ground. What the Iranians want to happen in
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Speaker 8: this war is to make the war so costly for
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Speaker 8: the United States that one year from now, two years
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Speaker 8: from now, five years from now, if someone in the
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Speaker 8: United States says let's go to war with Iran, everyone
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Speaker 8: says no, let's not go there.
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Speaker 7: That's not an option. That is Iran's ultimate goal.
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Speaker 2: Well, professor, thank you so much for joining us and
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Speaker 2: providing your immediate reaction and analysis.
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Speaker 4: We always value your time.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 7: Bench.
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Speaker 8: Just one final point, sure, and that is that I
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Speaker 8: would as a teacher at university, I would advise your audience,
43:41
Speaker 8: and I've said this on other shows to read some
43:43
Speaker 8: books on Iran. One is called Going to Tehran by
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Speaker 8: Flinton Hillary Leverett, who worked in the White House to academics.
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Speaker 8: I think if you invite Hillary Leverett, she would be
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Speaker 8: a good guess.
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Speaker 7: An excellent guest.
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Speaker 8: Another by Alistair Crook, a book called Resistance. They would
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Speaker 8: better understand what resistance means in Iranian culture and in
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Speaker 8: the culture the access of Resistance. And there's also another
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Speaker 8: very small book by Peter Oborne, who is a conservative
44:12
Speaker 8: in the UK, who.
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Speaker 7: Wrote about the Runian nuclear program.
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Speaker 8: It's a very easy read called Aerous, Dangerous Illusion. And
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Speaker 8: I think that would be these three books. If people
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Speaker 8: read them, they'd have a better understanding of Bran. And
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Speaker 8: I think it's important for people to understand Iran better today.
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Speaker 2: Well, we have a lot of readers in our audience.
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Speaker 2: We're always getting requests for what books to read, so
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they will appreciate that and we appreciate it
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, appreciate it.
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Speaker 7: Thank you.