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Ep. 66: All in on Offense or All in on Defense? | Jags A.M. Podcast · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags and today I'm ka Nannie Stevens here
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  Speaker 1: with Brian Sexton and John oserhold bands back together. We're
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  Speaker 1: a little over two weeks out from the NFL Draft
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  Speaker 1: and we're still trying to predict what the Jags are
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  Speaker 1: going to do with their first round pick. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: out with our big things today, lasting impressions around this
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  Speaker 1: time of year, there's some makeup pro days, there's top
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  Speaker 1: thirty visits. Brian, this is the time of year that
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  Speaker 1: draft picks can make their last impression on teams and
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  Speaker 1: coaches and they kind of finalize their big boards around
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  Speaker 1: this time of year. Brian, What can kind of swing
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  Speaker 1: a vote this time of year when you're meeting with
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  Speaker 1: draft picks.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what the team wants to accomplish,
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  Speaker 2: Tai with their thirty visits, right, you get your top
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  Speaker 2: thirty visits and your boy is set.
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  Speaker 3: By this point, they've come.
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  Speaker 2: Back and now they're just looking to polish some grades
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  Speaker 2: up and see whether a guy is really in front
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  Speaker 2: of another guy that perhaps they talked to with the combine,
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  Speaker 2: or whether a guy doesn't fit their system, how he
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  Speaker 2: performs when he comes in, if they put him on
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  Speaker 2: a whiteboard. This is about where a guy fits and
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  Speaker 2: within the space of three or four spaces, not dramatic
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  Speaker 2: moves up or back. And of course also you could
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  Speaker 2: be talking about where you might be interested in moving
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  Speaker 2: perhaps in the first or second round, and you might
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  Speaker 2: be looking at guys who can give you an impression
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  Speaker 2: about yeah, it's worth moving back. I suspect that was
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  Speaker 2: part of the visit with Anton Harrison last year when
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  Speaker 2: he came in, making sure that if they moved back.
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  Speaker 3: They had a guy they were interested in.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, as far as the thirty visits, you're not
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  Speaker 4: just talking about thirty first round picks coming in. You're
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  Speaker 4: talking about him going all through some fifth round, sixth
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  Speaker 4: round guys. It's mainly kai a matter of, look, we
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  Speaker 4: like these guys, but you're also thinking about investing in
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  Speaker 4: these guys. And it's a chance there's not as much
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  Speaker 4: time one on one with these guys at combines and
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  Speaker 4: Pro Day's and senior bowls whatever to really get a
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  Speaker 4: great feel for who he is. So this is that
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  Speaker 4: last chance to sort of bring a guy in. And
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  Speaker 4: if you're not sure about one guy versus the other,
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  Speaker 4: if they're close, sometimes you just get a vibe for
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  Speaker 4: a guy of Hey, this guy didn't like football as
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  Speaker 4: much as I like, or this guy is just not
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  Speaker 4: going to be quite a culture fit. So you're trying
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  Speaker 4: to get a lasting impression. It's the last stage of
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  Speaker 4: the job.
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  Speaker 3: Interview Brian Well, and I can give you an example.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety seven, the Jaguars brought in a defensive
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  Speaker 2: tackle from Cornell and named Seth Payne, and they had
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  Speaker 2: seen him on tape and they'd interviewed him, but they
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  Speaker 2: wanted more time to make sure where he fit. They
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  Speaker 2: took him in the fourth round, and they wanted to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that this was a guy that they liked,
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  Speaker 2: and if he was going to go in the third,
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  Speaker 2: did they like him enough to move up into the
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  Speaker 2: third and grab him. And that's what they discovered when
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  Speaker 2: he was here, was this is a guy they wanted.
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  Speaker 3: They thought they knew.
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  Speaker 2: Where he was going to go, but based on his
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  Speaker 2: visit and their interviews and the time they spent with Seth,
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  Speaker 2: they knew they'd make the move up around if they
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  Speaker 2: had to.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted him that badly.
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  Speaker 1: Still time to affect some of those decisions on those
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  Speaker 1: top thirty visits. Our second big thing today is trade talks. John,
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  Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about trades last week what
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  Speaker 1: we thought could go down. Do you have an inkling
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  Speaker 1: whether trading up or trading back could be more possible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I've been doing this thirty years, trying
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  Speaker 4: to predict a draft day trade. You know, some people
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  Speaker 4: predicted because they get lucky. You know, I'd be surprised
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  Speaker 4: if they moved up. But I'm always kind of surprised
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  Speaker 4: at a draft day trade because you just don't know
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  Speaker 4: beforehand what they're thinking. This might be a year to
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  Speaker 4: try to do it because the end of the draft,
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  Speaker 4: everybody you talk to deep in the draft six seventh round.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of the not deepest or shallowest, if you will,
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  Speaker 4: drafts in a long long time. So if you can
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  Speaker 4: get somebody to trade draft equity, you know, to take
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  Speaker 4: your draft equity and move up, go do it this year.
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  Speaker 3: But that can often be tough. Kadam Pardon, Well, it's
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  Speaker 3: not to predict. But if you look at the.
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  Speaker 2: Last two years, Trent Bulkey moved up into the first
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  Speaker 2: round two years ago to grab Devin Lloyd, and then
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  Speaker 2: last year he strategically kept backing up to the spot
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  Speaker 2: where he thought he would get Anton Harrison. So clearly
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  Speaker 2: he's got guys that he's identified and he wants to
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  Speaker 2: be able to maneuver to get the best value. That's
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  Speaker 2: really the key word, get value for the pick. If
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  Speaker 2: the guy you want is there, you can take him,
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  Speaker 2: but you also might be able to move into a
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  Speaker 2: position where you grab a couple of other picks.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see what he does.
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  Speaker 2: The interesting part is in this draft is from what
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  Speaker 2: I hear, there's about fourteen or fifteen guys that have
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  Speaker 2: legitimate first round grades. So if one of those guys
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  Speaker 2: starts sliding to a position where Trent thinks I got
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  Speaker 2: to go get him, well, then maybe it's worth the
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  Speaker 2: draft capital to go up and get him.
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  Speaker 1: Trades are always on the table, so we'll keep an
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  Speaker 1: eye on that for sure. Our final big thing today
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  Speaker 1: is keeping taste. You don't like to look across the
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  Speaker 1: street a lot, but we do have to mention what's
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  Speaker 1: been going on in the AFC South, what the Titans
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  Speaker 1: have done with free agency, what the Texans did last
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  Speaker 1: year and now in additions in free agency, specifically adding
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  Speaker 1: Steffon Diggs recently to the wide receiver corps, Brian, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot being made of the other teams in the division.
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  Speaker 1: Have the Jags have done enough so far?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 2: And I think the Jaguars have to focus on themselves
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  Speaker 2: and to figure out where their deficiencies are. And we
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  Speaker 2: know that they have to get better at corner. It
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  Speaker 2: highlights the issue at corner. Stefan Diggs, Right, You bring
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  Speaker 2: in a wide receiver like that, and all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden you're like, okay, and we know Calvin Ridley is
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  Speaker 2: in Tennessee, and so you say.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've got to get better at corner.
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  Speaker 2: But if the right corner's not there, if you can't
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  Speaker 2: move to get the right corner, you can't panic. You
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  Speaker 2: can't just go and say, well, we've got to have
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  Speaker 2: a corner because of the other receivers that are now
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  Speaker 2: in this division. Strategically, you want to build to be
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  Speaker 2: able to compete with the teams in your division, so
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  Speaker 2: you're going to.
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  Speaker 3: Go looking for corners.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't have a knee jerk John and say, well, look,
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  Speaker 2: we've got better receivers in the division.
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  Speaker 3: We now have to take a corner.
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  Speaker 2: There are good pass rushers, there are good players at
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  Speaker 2: all positions in this division.
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  Speaker 3: You better have a well rounded team. Yeah, I'm in
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  Speaker 3: the minority on this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't ever worry that much about what other teams
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  Speaker 4: in the division you're doing, because my thought is always
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  Speaker 4: you be the team they have to be. You know,
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  Speaker 4: if you lose to you know, if you build to
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  Speaker 4: beat a team in your division, beat them twice and
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  Speaker 4: beat nobody else, or you're two and fifteen. So look,
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  Speaker 4: I'm exaggerating that a little bit, but I do get
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  Speaker 4: But their corner need to me, has nothing to do
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  Speaker 4: with Stefan Diggs. It's looking at your own roster and
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  Speaker 4: realizing you need corners for now and in the future.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess I'm out of stat No, I'm as usual.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think you have to ask yourself the question. Also,
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  Speaker 2: why do the Bills let Stefan Diggs go? People don't
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  Speaker 2: they don't, they don't. They don't factor that in. They say, well,
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  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs is a great player. Now, he's a great
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  Speaker 2: player in Houston, but Buffalo is taking a significant cap
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  Speaker 2: hit on him. He's a thirty one year old receiver.
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  Speaker 2: They're willing to let him go despite the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they've got this quarterback that has an obvious rapport with him,
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  Speaker 2: So ask yourself the question, why are they willing to
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  Speaker 2: let him go? Maybe he's not the same player that
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  Speaker 2: we all thought he was. See, you can't build your
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  Speaker 2: team based on that, which is what John was just saying.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to focus on I better be better at
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  Speaker 2: corner because I'm not good enough at corner, and don't
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  Speaker 2: worry about all the intricacies of what Tennessee, Indianapolis and
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  Speaker 2: Houston do.
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  Speaker 3: Just focus on you.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just build your team on paper. You got
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  Speaker 1: to play the games as well. So we'll see how
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  Speaker 1: things go with the draft and then of course next season.
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  Speaker 1: Stay with us here. We're going to look into the
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  Speaker 1: draft this week. We're looking at wide receiver prospects that
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  Speaker 1: could be headed to Jacksonville. Move the freight, Move the freight.
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  Speaker 1: here in the Hyndai studios for Jags am as we
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  Speaker 1: get ready. We're about two weeks out from the draft now,
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  Speaker 1: so we're still trying to figure things out. We've kind
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  Speaker 1: of broken down a little. John and I went over
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  Speaker 1: cornerbacks last week because that's been a popular topic. And
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  Speaker 1: as we've heard, this year's wide receiver class is elite.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to go over some of the possible
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  Speaker 1: prospects that could be headed to town. Some of these
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  Speaker 1: are going to go very high. We don't have Marvin
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  Speaker 1: Harrison Junior in here because I think that might be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit if we go that route, that's a
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  Speaker 1: whole different show we'll do. But let's look at some
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  Speaker 1: of the other options that are on the table within
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  Speaker 1: the first round. So there's two guys coming out of
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  Speaker 1: LSU Malik Neighbors, Brian Thomas Junior Johnson. One of them's
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  Speaker 1: gotten mocked to us a little bit that you've seen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, and kind of physically like these are taller receivers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, something that we've seen. The team needs a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of kind of a jump ball guy. Is
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  Speaker 1: either of them the person that would be able to
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  Speaker 1: fill that role?
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  Speaker 4: It look really good. I mean Neighbors, I think, and
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  Speaker 4: you trade up might be a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: pipe dream. He's you know, there are people who think
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  Speaker 4: it's very very close between Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Junior.
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  Speaker 4: So that'd be a great pick. I don't think they'll
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  Speaker 4: be in a position to get him unless they trade up.
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  Speaker 4: Everything you hear about Thomas is that not as developed.
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  Speaker 4: There are people who think he's being very overlooked, that
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  Speaker 4: he might be the guy out of this class to
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  Speaker 4: be as good.
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  Speaker 3: As any of them. You see him walk to the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 4: I personally would be very surprised if they went this
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  Speaker 4: route in round one, only because it's so deep.
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  Speaker 3: In the draft.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it still feels like corner and then receiver
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  Speaker 4: is so deep Brian that I think you're gonna see
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  Speaker 4: teams say, okay, I could get a receiver here, but
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  Speaker 4: I can also get it in the second round. Some years,
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  Speaker 4: that's sort of falling. This year at this position. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's a move that makes sense. You know, we
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  Speaker 4: often fall.
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  Speaker 2: Into the trap of just thinking first round and that
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  Speaker 2: only these guys, right Thomas Adounza, the kid from Washington
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  Speaker 2: neighbors that you mentioned in Marvin Harrison, are going to
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  Speaker 2: be star performers. But if you look around the league,
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  Speaker 2: you find that there are a lot of really good
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  Speaker 2: receivers who were taken second, third, fourth round. I would
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  Speaker 2: be surprised also if they use this pick at seventeen
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  Speaker 2: at wide receiver. Now, if there's a guy they love, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if the a Doonzay kid fall somewhere where
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  Speaker 2: they feel like they can make a trade up, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's really good, so maybe you try to get up there.
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  Speaker 2: But the first round is about need and value meeting
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  Speaker 2: for you, right, the best available player at a position
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  Speaker 2: that you want. And we've seen we saw last year
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  Speaker 2: as Trent moved to a strategic spot to get the
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  Speaker 2: need that they wanted Anton Harrison. I just I can't
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  Speaker 2: see receiver being the first pick this year.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: If it is, it's a very interesting philosophical thing they're
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  Speaker 4: doing if it is. If it is, then they're all
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  Speaker 4: in on offense, meaning they are going to outscore people
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  Speaker 4: and they are going to be a team that wins
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  Speaker 4: games thirty eight thirty one.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: If I'm Ryan Nielsen and that happens, I go into
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  Speaker 4: a little ball because I think they need corner, and
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  Speaker 4: so to me, this feels like a draft that will
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  Speaker 4: be dictated at number seventeen more than a lot of
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  Speaker 4: drafts I've been around by Nie.
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  Speaker 3: I think you need corner well, and see I can make.
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  Speaker 2: The case for you going all in an offense and
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  Speaker 2: getting an offensive linement for number sixteen, right, I mean
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  Speaker 2: you've got to be all in to protect your quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone who's watching this, who watched the Jaguars last year
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  Speaker 2: know how often he got hit.
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  Speaker 3: And you've got two guys, and I get it.
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  Speaker 2: You love Cam Robinson and you have Walker Lilan and
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  Speaker 2: you don't need it this year, but next year you're
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  Speaker 2: going to because both of those guys contracts expire and
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  Speaker 2: this is a great year for offensive tackle.
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  Speaker 3: So I get the idea of corner.
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  Speaker 2: I totally get that idea, and I'm ninety percent of
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  Speaker 2: the way with you there, John, But if it's not corner,
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  Speaker 2: and I know people want wide receiver man, offensive tackle
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  Speaker 2: is a tougher position to find than wide receiver.
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  Speaker 3: It just is.
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  Speaker 2: And you find more receivers who can play in later
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  Speaker 2: rounds than offensive tackles that can play in later rounds.
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  Speaker 2: And I if it's not corner, it better be offensive tackle.
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  Speaker 1: To me, is there a world where one of these
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  Speaker 1: receivers is good enough that you trade up for them? Like?
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  Speaker 1: Is there someone that you see that you're like that
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  Speaker 1: would be worth it to me? Or are all of
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  Speaker 1: them kind of no one's seeing it for.
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  Speaker 4: You, you know, and better be special, Okay if you're
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  Speaker 4: giving up draft equity to go get him, especially when
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  Speaker 4: now if Brian Thomas is at thirteen, like everybody else
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  Speaker 4: is off the board. Yeah, there's always a world because
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  Speaker 4: you can fall in love with a guy and you
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  Speaker 4: want to go get him.
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  Speaker 3: As I said, if you're.
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  Speaker 4: Giving up fifth round equity to go do it, fifth
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  Speaker 4: round equity might not be worth that much this year
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  Speaker 4: in this draft.
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  Speaker 3: So can you define special?
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  Speaker 2: What do you need to see from a wider in
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  Speaker 2: a rookie season to make it worth going out to
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  Speaker 2: get because you know as well as anyone you don't see.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think special means do you think he's a
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  Speaker 4: one for the next Do you think he's the right
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  Speaker 4: or CIV you've never drafted. I mean, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: you go up three spots or I wouldn't go up
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  Speaker 4: three spots.
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  Speaker 3: To win Week five this year.
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  Speaker 4: I'd go up three spots if I thought this guy
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  Speaker 4: was going to be on the wall Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, what we all have, people we talk to, people
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  Speaker 3: we trust. I don't if.
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  Speaker 2: One of those three right and the Harrison neighbors aren't
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  Speaker 2: going to be there if a Doomsay slides, because he's.
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  Speaker 3: That third guy.
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  Speaker 2: If he slides somewhere at ten, eleven, twelve, because there's
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  Speaker 2: a run on tackles, there could be a run on corners, right,
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  Speaker 2: because that's a.
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  Speaker 3: Premium position as well. If a Donsay slides to a
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  Speaker 3: position where maybe you.
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  Speaker 2: Have to give up I don't know, the fourth round pick, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, because the word on him is that he's
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  Speaker 2: got all the measure, all the intangibles. He could be
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  Speaker 2: a special guy too, Okay, I mean you could make
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  Speaker 2: the case with that, because you're in the final year
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  Speaker 2: of Za Jones deal. Christian Kirk is making twenty four
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  Speaker 2: this year, twenty seven next. I mean, I do get
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  Speaker 2: why people would like to see a young receiver, especially
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  Speaker 2: a really good young receiver, but it better be one
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  Speaker 2: of those three guys.
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  Speaker 3: Because Thomas looks to me like T Higgins, and I
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  Speaker 3: know him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go, oh, well, t Higgins, yep, But
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  Speaker 2: are you sure he's te Higgins? And it's te Higgins
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  Speaker 2: special enough to go up and.
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  Speaker 4: Get well clarify us for you to move on. I
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  Speaker 4: think they're going to take a wide receiver that they
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  Speaker 4: think can play quickly early in the draft.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know he's gonna be at number seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean I would be a little surprised
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  Speaker 4: if they don't. You know, somewhere in that first group
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  Speaker 4: receivers that people think can play go at least to
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  Speaker 4: the end of round three and maybe end round four.
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  Speaker 4: I would think somewhere in that group the Jaguars are
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  Speaker 4: gonna take somebody that they believe will impact immediately. I
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  Speaker 4: just kind of wonder, because of the nature of the
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  Speaker 4: position this year, if they're going to do it in
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  Speaker 4: the first round when the need at corner and offensive
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  Speaker 4: line feels so much more than the need at wide
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  Speaker 4: receiver in the short term.
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  Speaker 2: But it is all on value, right, I Mean, we
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  Speaker 2: talk about need, need, need, and I do get that,
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  Speaker 2: but it is about value. And if there is if
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  Speaker 2: you've got a guy, get a receiver that is great
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  Speaker 2: at higher than an offensive tackle on the board at
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  Speaker 2: that spot and you can't move back, will you take
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: the receiver? You take the best player. You don't massage
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: the need. If they're really close, okay, well then you
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: have a decision to make. But if one is clearly
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: above the other.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: You take the better player, always the best player on
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: the board. We'll see exactly where that's going to be.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I think we're all a little bit still on team
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: cornerback at this point, but it is good to see
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: what the wide receiver options are because if one of
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: them does slide a little bit, certainly something that I'm
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: sure the front office will consider about going up to
• 15:53
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• 16:44
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go over some of the questions you've been
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: getting this week. I'll start off with Rob from Saint Augustine.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: He says, I don't understand fans idea that the Jags
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: must draft certain positions because of what another team does
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: get real. We talked a little bit about this.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I mean it goes back to, first of all, it's
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: dangerous some team makes moving free agency and then you say, Okay,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna draft three corner. Well, you're drafting with the idea, Brian,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: that of building your roster out over a four to
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: five year period. It's why I said earlier we're talking
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: about wide receivers. I don't want to move up to
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: beat the Chiefs in.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Week four and twenty twenty four.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: I want to move up if I think this guy
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: is a core piece that I believe will be on
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: the wall someday and will be a guy who makes
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: me a competitive franchise for five years. So yeah, it
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: just goes back to I've never thought you build to
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: beat one specific team, because if that team loses, then
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: you got to fight, you know, thirty other teams.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: To be well. And I don't want to be completely
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: dismissive of the idea.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you're in your division, you do build
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to compete with those teams, right. I mean the last
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: couple of years we've seen Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry, Well,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars are trying to get more stout upfront against
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the run. They've brought in linebackers to be able to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: play against those players, but you do so in the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: framework of being able to compete every week and not
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: just against the specific team. If you see great receivers
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: in this division, the Jaguars will have to make sure
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: that they have great defensive backs, so they'll draft where
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: it fits over time to be able to compete. The
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: best example of this going back is in the early
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: days of the Jaguars.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: They built this original team.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: To compete with the Pittsburgh Steelers because the Steelers were
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the class of the old AFC Central and they knew
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that if they were ever going to compete for the
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: division title, they had to.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Be able to beat the Steelers. But you didn't do it.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: By drafting one player at one spot and say, all right,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: we've now matched them. We have a corner to match
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: to Von Diggs. We have a corner to match Calvin Ridley.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You want a corner that can match the best receivers
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: every Sunday, and that means taking a guy because he fits,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and it might not be where you think they take it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I think cornerback was always in the mixt and then
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: when you look at some of those editions, they're like, yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that's probably a good idea. Our second reader fan writer
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: in Jeremy from Gilbert, Arizona. Why isn't it a possibility
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: for the Jags to draft a defensive tackle in round one?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: A cornerback helps one position in the secondary, A better
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: D line helps every position in the secondary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Philosophically this is dead on. If it was a defensive
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: tackle draft that looked like the offensive tackle draft or
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: the wide receiver draft or the cornerback draft, then I
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: think this would be being more discussed. It's not a
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: great defensive tackle draft. Byron Murphy from Texas is could
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: be there. I think also they went out and signed Armstead,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: so you've got Armstead, Hamilton, Roy, Robertson Harris. I wouldn't
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: mind defensive tackle round one. I'm not, you know, philosophically
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: this makes sense. I think the reason it's not being discussed,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: or the reasons I just.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Laid out listen, for the same reason that I'm about
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: an offensive tackle, right because you've got two players who
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: after this year are not under contract. You've got Eric Armstead,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: who's thirty one, which isn't ancient but it isn't young either,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and 're Robertson Harris who's on the other side of
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: thirty as well.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: If the best player on the board is a defensive tackle,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: well take him. Right.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: There's two I think, Byron Murphy and Gerseanne Newton, the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: kid from Illinois, that fit in that range. If, and
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: this is really important, if Ryan Nielson likes both of them.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: They may both be highly.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Rated guys, but they may not fit what he wants
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: to do. So if they're sitting there and the Jaguars
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: don't take him, it's because they're not the best player
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: on the board at what they're talking about right now.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm all with you.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That's why I always talk about best available player. You
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: can never go wrong when you take a great football player.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And if Byron Murphy or Newton fits, take them.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: All comes down to how the board falls, it seems.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Our final viewer question for ozone mail Bags maybe John
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: from Panavider Beach, is the overall ross are going into
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the draft the same below or the roster's the same? Sorry?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Excuse me? Is it better the same or below the roster?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: The end of the season, the offensive and defensive lines
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: certainly appear better, but I do not see much improvement elsewhere.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah. My answer to this when I did it in
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: the text mail bag was, if the offensive and defensive
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: lines are better, you're better.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, so.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Have they quote improved everywhere? Yeah, I think Durbin a
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: makes them a better returner right now.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I love agne.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I think I think durbinat right now is probably you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: in his prime, where maybe Jamal was.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: But that's negligible.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think if Armstead and Morse make
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: you better right over the ball on both sides of
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: the line, then you're a lot better.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I think they would have been a lot better if
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: they'd been a little better in both of those spots
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I think you're dead on. I think when you make
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: your offensive and defensive lines better, you are by default
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a better roster than you were at the end of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: last season. I also want to throw this one out
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: because it's a point that you made, John. If they
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: go back to playing the way that they did in
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two in the passing game, where they were
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: very efficient because Trevor was able to distribute the ball
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: all over the place, this year it felt like they
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: were trying to force the ball to Calvin Ridley, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: people want to make the comparison, Well, Gabe Davis isn't
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: as explosive or fast or as good as Calvin Ridley.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but can he be what Marvin Jones was in
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: this offense?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: And I say, yeah, he's a younger, taller, longer Marvin Jones.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And so if he comes in here and gives them
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: a better version of Marvin Jones, then I think the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: passing game is better. I could Yeah, I think this
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: is a better roster. It may not have improved exponentially
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like some people think it could have, but they were
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: nine to eight, right. If you get marginally better and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: can push the ball into the end zone at the
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: end of the year, then you're ten and seven in
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, they were very close.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: So I don't know that they needed to get exponentially
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: better in free agency. Exponentially better is where the draft
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: comes in, and I think convert.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: You know, had they been able to convert oun't know
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: the number eight more third and ones, that could have
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: been a difference in being eleven and six or twelve
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: and five for this day. I mean, it sounds like
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: a lot, but I think you could easily go back
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: and find games where they couldn't quite convert a third
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and one, or or didn't have confidence in that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: To me, that tilted the whole season.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I just feel like they made good decisions in free
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: agency to improve the roster. Really, they fit within the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: cap right with knowing that they had a big chunk
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: of money tied up in Cam Robinson and a big
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: chut that they didn't want to renegotiate, and the franchise
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: tag on Josh Allen, and they were able to make
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: some moves that fit and made this roster better. So
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I kind of liked what they did, not kind of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I do like what they did.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: The free agency additions to their needs were definitely crucial,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: but now the draft you got to back up. You
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: got to develop, and you have to get that talent.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So then in the next couple of years, where they're
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: where they need to be as this division is getting
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: a lot better all around them. Stay with us here
• 24:16
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  Speaker 1: Back finishing things up here on jags am. And we're
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: just a little over two weeks away from the draft.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about it much much more of
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the next two weeks, probably until very beginning of the draft,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and then we'll all be wrong about what we predicted.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But it was fun to kind of try to project
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: what they're going to do. Brian, You're headed to Detroit.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I am, I am. Uh.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: You know, I've been on the road for the draft
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: since they moved it out of New York, So Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas, Nashville, Cleveland,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Kansas City. Yeah, the Cleveland one wasn't all that great,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: but all these cities embrace it and they put on
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a festival. So I'm expecting Detroit to put their best
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: foot forward. It certainly helps that their football team has
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: risen to a contender in the NFC, and the draft
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: is always it's always so focused on the first round
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: for the obvious reason that's where everyone's attention is. But
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it's a three day festival and it's a lot of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: fun to watch a city and a region because.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: A lot of people will come flooding into Detroit for
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: this to make it interesting.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: It's coming up fast humore.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Before we know it. John, somehow you didn't want to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: go to Detroit.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I never there's nothing for there's nothing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: We did spend a week.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: There's nothing for me. I'm not even journed on the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: bridges there these days.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure there's anything for me and Detroit,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, because in recent years, Anton
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Harrison wasn't in Kansas City right and Tredon right.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Break the streak, maybe someone will be.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: There, Treyvon Lloyd, Trevon Lloyd, Treyvon Walker was not in Vegas,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: but Devin Lloyd was. The year before that, neither Etn
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: nor Trevor were in Cleveland.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: So new you're gonna be yeah, I'm sure that's it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: What's happened is is that players have decided that they'd
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: rather do their own parties and stay home. And we
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: get a list of you know, ten, twelve, fourteen players
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: that are going, and it's just not as impactful as
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: it was when you know, I'm standing there waiting for
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Jaalen Ramsey to come up right or Dante Fowler, whoever.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: The Jags drafted Josh Allen.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, Josh Allen in twenty nineteen is one of my
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: favorite stories. That was the day that Tyreek Killen had
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: a story about him and his son who had broken
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: his arm, and there was domestic issues in the home.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And I walked into the green room to grab Josh.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Just as he was walking down the hallway to this,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Jennie had Wesley, now his oldest who is an infant,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: in his arms. And you could see the smile from
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the wings on Roger Goodell's face as here comes Josh
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Allen with his son in his arms, and the story
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: about Tyreek went away and it was about Josh Allen,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: football player, husband father.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: It was a great moment.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen the football player. We love him, hopefully many
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: more years to come. We're still working on that extension.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on that as we always do.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Stay with us for the next couple of weeks. We're
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: gonna have all your draft coverage for you. There will
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: be a draft event here on Draft night as well,
• 27:31
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