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Counting McLaren's missed chances: Hungarian GP Preview · Pit Talk

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and
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  Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, it's Hungarian
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  Speaker 1: Grand Prix week, with the sport feeling tighter than ever
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  Speaker 1: after the triple head up. Will this finally be McLaren's
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  Speaker 1: chance to capitalize on its good form after weeks of
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  Speaker 1: mistakes and elsewhere, Adrian Newey launches his long awaited Red
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  Speaker 1: Bull hypercar with an eyewatering price tag. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Michael Lamonato, motorsport riter for Fox Sports Australia. It's great
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  Speaker 1: to have your company, and the company of my co
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  Speaker 1: host from Speed Cafe. He knows exactly how to say
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  Speaker 1: Grand Prix of Hungary in Hungarian. It's Matt Cotch.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, how are you now? Mate?
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  Speaker 3: I butcher things in my somewhat half Australian, half English accent,
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  Speaker 3: so throwing just even a hint of French or Italian
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  Speaker 3: there and I just yeah, it all comes unraveled. Then
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  Speaker 3: you're throwing some Hungarian and they're not a stew mate,
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  Speaker 3: not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like whenever I've gone to the Hungarian Grand Prix,
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  Speaker 1: I'm always surprised at how absolutely unfamiliar the language is.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a very boring talk topic, but after
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  Speaker 1: so much of Europe, obviously all the other languages are familiar,
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  Speaker 1: even if you do understand them. Even if you go
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  Speaker 1: to Japan, you know what, it looks like you had
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  Speaker 1: a hungry and it's like, man, what's this. I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand this at all.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't speak English as well.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely bugging if you get stuck somewhere, which
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  Speaker 3: in the days before the Internet, which is when I
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  Speaker 3: first did the Hungarian Grand Prix, it was yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: was that was that was an exciting time.
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  Speaker 2: I spent a long time.
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  Speaker 3: There's a service station or a garage just outside the circuit.
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  Speaker 2: I spent a long time there waiting for a fax
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  Speaker 2: one morning.
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  Speaker 3: That's a whole different, a whole different story that one
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  Speaker 3: day I'll share.
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  Speaker 1: It was really in many respects, and this somewhat off topic,
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  Speaker 1: but the original broad venture race, if you're like, we've
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  Speaker 1: become used to be fun racing in sort of newer
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  Speaker 1: novel territories, but this was originally behind the iron curtain.
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  Speaker 1: So it's come a long way since then. No longer
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  Speaker 1: feels novel. I mean, it's been very much part of
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  Speaker 1: what has been for what is it since the eighties?
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  Speaker 1: How many years of.
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  Speaker 2: Six was first appearance?
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  Speaker 1: Yet there you go, So we're approaching forty years if
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  Speaker 1: is correct.
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  Speaker 3: There's been a year or two there through COVID that
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  Speaker 3: it didn't appear, but yeah, otherwise it's been a main stage.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's crazy to think. And there's new facilities there
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  Speaker 3: this year as well. They're saying goodbye to some of
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  Speaker 3: the stuff that was there when the Iron Curtain was
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  Speaker 3: a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is remarkable. I feel like as long as
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing that race, they've been saying it was
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  Speaker 1: going to happen and were furnishing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll get to the Hungarian Grand Prix and what
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  Speaker 1: to expect this weekend a little bit later on, but
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  Speaker 1: Matt let's first start off with the five new stories
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  Speaker 1: of the week. It has been an off week for
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  Speaker 1: Formula One. It does really feel like everyone needed that
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  Speaker 1: off week. I think it has been relatively quiet Playoff
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  Speaker 1: one standards, but of course there's plenty to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to give you the five stories in
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  Speaker 1: just five minutes. Matt, let me start with the RB seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: It's Adrian Neui's final Red Bull task the unveiling of
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  Speaker 1: his RB seventeen hypercar, the name being the red Bull
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  Speaker 1: car that wasn't made during COVID. It explains a slightly
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  Speaker 1: unusual name. Only fifty are going to be made. The
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  Speaker 1: price tag is around ten million Australian dollars per car.
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  Speaker 1: Not bad. I don't know if he gets all of
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  Speaker 1: that himself. I hope he's got a good deal of this.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: This is a little bit like the was it the
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  Speaker 3: Valkyrie and the Vulcan and those sorts of things that
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  Speaker 3: were made during the Aston Martin partnership, and what people
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  Speaker 3: do with these guys. I don't buy them necessarily to
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  Speaker 3: drive them there. They're effectively like a bank account. You
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  Speaker 3: buy them and they appreciate value, so you can drive
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  Speaker 3: them for a little bit, you know, pay ten million
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  Speaker 3: for it, and then in ten years time you sell
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  Speaker 3: it for twenty million and you're better than having left
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  Speaker 3: the money in the bank.
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  Speaker 1: Adrian Nui is essentially your bank teller in this situation,
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  Speaker 1: which is a very exciting way to think about it.
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  Speaker 1: But keep your eyes out for that. When it was
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  Speaker 1: debut of the Goodwood Vessel of Speed over the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: plenty of photios and videos doing the rounds, but Adrian
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  Speaker 1: whu He has also been in the news for, of
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  Speaker 1: course other reasons. We continue to wonder where he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be working next year. You're in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: after he leaves Red Bull Racing. Very specifically in the
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  Speaker 1: first quarter of twenty twenty five, word out of Italy
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  Speaker 1: Matt is that Ferrari's no longer top of priorities, with
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  Speaker 1: CEO Benedettovigna reportedly booking at the salary. And also, and
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  Speaker 1: this is what I find interesting, the potential for him
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  Speaker 1: to disrupt the team they're building.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to.
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  Speaker 3: Think that he's what is he sixty five, He's only
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  Speaker 3: got a couple of years realistically left here, maybe five.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be eighteen months before he could have
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  Speaker 3: a real impact, and he might come in and completely
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  Speaker 3: tear up what they're doing and set the team back
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  Speaker 3: two or three years to go down a different path.
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  Speaker 3: So chances are that path might be right. But then
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  Speaker 3: by the time they're on the path, he's only got
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years left before retirement, and it's a
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  Speaker 3: big gamble. But I think it's a big gamble no
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  Speaker 3: matter where he goes, and ultimately is it better to
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  Speaker 3: have him or to let him go to arrival?
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  Speaker 2: Personally, I'd pay him the cash.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the rumor is now that Aston Martin's top of
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  Speaker 1: that pile, potentially as well McLaren being in the mix,
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  Speaker 1: but you won't know, likely until September matdist Oh, are
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  Speaker 1: you right during the week about race hosting fees? That
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  Speaker 1: magical number that pumps up F one's banking Speaking of
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  Speaker 1: bank accounts, F one's bank accounts, it's relatively closely guarded
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  Speaker 1: secret for most races, even those that are state backed.
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  Speaker 1: What have you found?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so about seven hundred and seventy million dollars a
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  Speaker 3: year going to F one's coffers. This was not the
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  Speaker 3: work of a moment, not the work of sticking my
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  Speaker 3: finger in the air and seeing which way the wind
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  Speaker 3: is blowing. There's a bit of research that went into this.
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  Speaker 3: There's about eight events next year that I due for expiring.
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  Speaker 3: If you plot them out on a scattergraph, you can
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  Speaker 3: see they all pay well under the odds. So things
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  Speaker 3: like Monaco they need to pay more, so does the
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  Speaker 3: Belgian Grand Prix, So to the Italian Grand Prix.
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  Speaker 2: That's risk here.
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  Speaker 3: But interestingly the Australian Grand Prix thirty seven million dollars
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  Speaker 3: this year, but is actually quite cheap if you.
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  Speaker 2: Look at it in the grand scheme of things.
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  Speaker 3: It's got a contract until twenty thirty seven, so that actually.
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  Speaker 2: Leaves it below average as it stands.
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  Speaker 3: The caveat being that there is a new contract that
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  Speaker 3: comes into a force next year, so that's likely to
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  Speaker 3: change the hosting fee. But yeah, Ultimately the bottom line
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  Speaker 3: is seven hundred and seventy million dollars going into Formula
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  Speaker 3: one's bank account each year just on race hosting fees.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of money, with the other thirds broken
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  Speaker 1: up by advertising and television, which we're all paying for
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  Speaker 1: one way or another. I suppose let's lou move back
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  Speaker 1: on to a track of some kind British Grand Prix
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  Speaker 1: track Silverston. But during the week Liam Lawson was on
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  Speaker 1: track in an up to date Red Bull Racing car
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  Speaker 1: in a private filming day test. This is officially not
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  Speaker 1: a performance thing, but of course they learned performance things
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  Speaker 1: about it. But of course the story here is that
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  Speaker 1: Liam Lawson is in the frame to potentially get into
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  Speaker 1: a car owned by Red Bull racing after the mid
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  Speaker 1: season break. But Matda, I'm like last year when it
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  Speaker 1: was all Daniel Ricardo mania following his own Proori titest
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  Speaker 1: at Silverston. Well, there hasn't been that sudden explosion of hype.
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  Speaker 3: There hasn't been, but the caveat being that it was wet,
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  Speaker 3: so getting any sort of meaningful data out of it
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  Speaker 3: is difficult. You couldn't, like, for like his lap versus
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  Speaker 3: what happened at the Grand Prix a couple of days earlier,
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  Speaker 3: so those comparisons were out the window. Perhaps a better
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  Speaker 3: comparison would have been Christian Horner churning some laps in
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  Speaker 3: what was an RB eight or something. Wasn't it a
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  Speaker 3: few days ago? So yeah, you're right, there hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: the hype. But I also seem to think he's not
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  Speaker 3: in contingent for Red Bull Drive at best. He's looking
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  Speaker 3: at RB. Should Daniel Riccardo be moved up if Perez
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  Speaker 3: is sacked. There's a lot of ifs in that. In
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  Speaker 3: that so yeah, I don't think we can take too
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  Speaker 3: much out of it. It's it's essentially getting a read
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  Speaker 3: on him to make a decision given that his contract
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  Speaker 3: clause is up.
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  Speaker 1: In September, and he does have an RB test in season,
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  Speaker 1: test again later on in the year, and finally to
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  Speaker 1: the driver market, which still very unsettled. Not much has
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  Speaker 1: changed as last week, but widespread reports now are increasingly
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  Speaker 1: anyway that Hass could be announcing it's signed s van
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  Speaker 1: knock On as soon as potentially this week, maybe by
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  Speaker 1: the time you've even heard this podcast. Who knows. That's
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  Speaker 1: the first piece of the puzzle that's moving without Carlos
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  Speaker 1: Science deciding where he wants to go. But then again,
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Science was never really connected to HAS to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: No hands up if you're surprised at S, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't kind of ended up at HAS. That's been pretty
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  Speaker 3: much an open secret for quite some time. Even though
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  Speaker 3: they're all trying to play coy about it. We all
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  Speaker 3: know where he's going and where he's going to end up.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, no great surprise, is it a great move?
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  Speaker 3: Remains to be seen. Obviously, Hass has been linked to
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  Speaker 3: all sorts of things, including Toyota.
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  Speaker 2: In the last week or so.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe there are bright things happening in Hass's future that
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  Speaker 3: Estherbarron is is on the press ofe of that we
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  Speaker 3: just don't know about yet.
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  Speaker 1: H has in any case at the moment ahead of
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  Speaker 1: helping the constructors standings on paper, it is.
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  Speaker 2: A good step forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good move, and we'll see what happens after that.
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  Speaker 1: They are the five new stories of the week. It's
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  Speaker 1: an interesting room you touched on there the Toyota has
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  Speaker 1: thing with. Will be more on that undoubtedly in future weeks.
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  Speaker 1: But Matt, let's start with our first major topic of
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  Speaker 1: the week. We sees this last week. This was following,
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  Speaker 1: of course, the British Grand Prix that McLaren did not win,
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  Speaker 1: despite having been at several occasions in position to win
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  Speaker 1: it in several different configurations as well, with one car,
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  Speaker 1: two cars, one car in a different order. They're strong
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  Speaker 1: even to be made that after the last in fact,
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  Speaker 1: six rounds, I'm willing to say, almost dating all the
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  Speaker 1: way back to Lando Norris's first in Miami, that McLaren
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  Speaker 1: should have way more wins than just one this season
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  Speaker 1: and of course therefore be much closer in both championship standings.
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  Speaker 1: I've done and I do enjoy doing this A purely
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  Speaker 1: hypothetical version of the championship for Fox sports dot com
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  Speaker 1: dot Au late last week specifically the last six races,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to run you through these map and
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  Speaker 1: let me know what you think it's starting.
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  Speaker 2: This sounds good of exciting, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Emilia Rana Grand Prix won by Max was staffing in reality,
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  Speaker 1: but of course that's only after Oscar Piastri, who qualified second,
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  Speaker 1: was devoted to fifth through with a good penalty for
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  Speaker 1: impeding during qualifying. That was the team's fault. He was
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  Speaker 1: the fast McLaren driver that weekend, and McLaren challenged Red
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  Speaker 1: Bull really quite closely in that final SITTLANDA and I
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  Speaker 1: have finished less than a second behind Max. If Piastre
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  Speaker 1: had started second, A challenged Max with entirety of the race.
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  Speaker 1: For the purpose of this hypothetical, I'm willing to contemplate
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  Speaker 1: the idea that could have been Oscar Piastre's first victory
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  Speaker 1: and therefore there would have been a small points win
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  Speaker 1: in McLaren's favor. Let's go to Monaco, but Oscar Piastri
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  Speaker 1: didn't put together his best three sectors in qualifying. Had
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  Speaker 1: he done so, he would have qualified charl Leclair and
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  Speaker 1: his best three sectors, and of course qualifying in monocon
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  Speaker 1: Pole is practically a victory. Certainly the Monaco Grandfrix we
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  Speaker 1: got this year. It was an absolute slam dunk victory
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  Speaker 1: with no pit stops required. Canada, we know this quite well.
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  Speaker 1: Lando Norris was leading with some really incredible pace early
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  Speaker 1: in the race, didn't pick for that first safety car.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe had a chance to retake the lead late in
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  Speaker 1: the race, had his overcut attempt over maxim Staff and
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  Speaker 1: been maybe one lap shorter. That's debatable, but really the
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  Speaker 1: thing that cost him was that first stop. In Spain.
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  Speaker 1: Lando Norris from Pole got a poor start. Both his
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  Speaker 1: pit stops were slower than Vestafans by one point three seconds.
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  Speaker 1: He finished only two point two seconds behind Max after
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  Speaker 1: quite an exciting chase in the final stint in Austria,
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  Speaker 1: where we know it happened in Austria, they crashed into
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  Speaker 1: one another. Maybe if Lando Norris had been somewhat more
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  Speaker 1: circumspect about how hard Max was going to be, could
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  Speaker 1: have found a way pass a lap or two later.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, that's perhabsolutely bit harsh to him. Finally, though,
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  Speaker 1: at Silverston, they left Piastri out too long for his
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  Speaker 1: first stops, left Norris out too long at his second stops.
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  Speaker 1: They gave him the wrong tire, the stop was slow lost,
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  Speaker 1: not even lost to Lewis Hamilton, but also to Maxis
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  Speaker 1: Stappan who beat him to second place. If you would
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  Speaker 1: have award all of those wins, and they are many,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a stretch, but they're far from implausible.
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  Speaker 1: Orlando Norris's lead over Maxis Sappins lead rather over Lando
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  Speaker 1: Norris would be just twenty one points at this point
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  Speaker 1: of the season, and McLaren would be leading Red Bull
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  Speaker 1: Racing by only eight points. It's a lot of mischances.
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  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a thing, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you've probably got let McLaren off lightly
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  Speaker 3: there because in Austria, you know, if Oscar hadn't have
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  Speaker 3: been done for track living, well, yeah, still he's still
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  Speaker 3: dirty about that. He's as dirty as as tires.
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  Speaker 2: From the gravel, which is not very dirty though.
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  Speaker 3: This is a really bad analogy, wasn't it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's still he's still dirty about that, isn't he. So
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  Speaker 3: he's adamant that he wasn't off out of track limits
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  Speaker 3: or the FA wasn't fair in the way that he
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  Speaker 3: was penalized. So you know, there's potentially a you know
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  Speaker 3: a one two or maybe a one three there with
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  Speaker 3: with Max who knows. Yeah, I mean that's that's a
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  Speaker 3: hell of it a swing even as it stands. You know,
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  Speaker 3: after round six, what was round six? That was the
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  Speaker 3: Miami Grand Prix. So after round six McLaren was one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen points behind Red Bull and the Constructors Championship.
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  Speaker 3: It's now seventy eight points. That's a thirty seven point
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  Speaker 3: swing off top my head in six races.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty good turnaround.
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  Speaker 3: You there's a long way to go, obviously, they need
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  Speaker 3: to basically get that three times over to catch Red
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  Speaker 3: Bull in the championship. But if you take into account
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  Speaker 3: what you've just said, and there are realistic chances at
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  Speaker 3: each of the six events that you've just mentioned, we've
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  Speaker 3: got a hell of a championship final, I hads. And
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  Speaker 3: this speaks to the lack of preparedness on McClaren's part.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's ahead of its own schedule. We said
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  Speaker 3: this before. It's sort of it's arrived at the party,
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  Speaker 3: but the party hasn't started. You know, it's got to
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  Speaker 3: the party too early, and it's sitting in the car
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  Speaker 3: park waiting to go everyone to turn up because Austria
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  Speaker 3: last year just accelerated things so quickly. It didn't expect
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  Speaker 3: to turn the season around like it did. It didn't
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  Speaker 3: expect to be a front runner like it was this year.
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  Speaker 3: I think the way it started the year is the
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  Speaker 3: way it sort of saw things progressing, and then we
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  Speaker 3: got to Miami. Whatever they did in Miami, it was
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  Speaker 3: just you know, it's like Austria again, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's transformed that car and they've.
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  Speaker 3: Just kept bolting on performance while Red Bull is struggling
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  Speaker 3: and the bolts on performance consistently, which is the most
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  Speaker 3: impressive part. The problem is you know that they're going
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  Speaker 3: up against the best in the world in terms of rebel.
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  Speaker 3: There's seasoned veterans out running at the front, undercutting, overcutting,
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  Speaker 3: just a communication with drivers. If you listen back to
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  Speaker 3: the radio chatter between McLaren's drivers and particularly Red Bull
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  Speaker 3: and Max at the British Grand Prix night and day
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  Speaker 3: different So it was very clear, very concise from Red
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  Speaker 3: Bull and very muddied from from McLaren. So the good
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  Speaker 3: thing is that these are these are operational things that
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  Speaker 3: can be fixed. But it just goes to show that
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  Speaker 3: you need everything to be right. A fast car and
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  Speaker 3: two fast drivers aren't enough. An ability to deliver on
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  Speaker 3: a single lap isn't enough. An ability to string a
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  Speaker 3: race stint together is enough. You're going to be able
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  Speaker 3: to do it for every state of the race and
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  Speaker 3: then in those pit stops, and then do it at
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  Speaker 3: every event.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a huge, huge challenge.
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  Speaker 1: In It's why Oscar Piastre says the hard part's already
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  Speaker 1: been done by McLaren, and that is having a car
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  Speaker 1: that's competitive. That's not to downplay all the learning that
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  Speaker 1: starts to take place, and this is to slam McLaren
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  Speaker 1: is saying, what have you done or you've wasted all
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  Speaker 1: of your opportunities, because, like you say, this is still
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  Speaker 1: part of the process. They've done that hard part, which
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  Speaker 1: is building up the car. The reason this is relatively
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  Speaker 1: easier is, like you say, well, you can improve these
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: things really weak to week. It's just about fine tuning
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: those processes. Even just experience. Just going through these particular
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: scenarios mean similar scenarios. These mistakes are unlikely to be repeated.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: This is something that Andrea Stella continues to allude to
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: doing a really good job as a team principle in
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: these circumstances as well. I think the more we see
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Stella in the team principal role, the more impressive he is.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Because it's one thing to have taken over the team
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: when it was almost in a crisis at the beginning
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: of last year, completely restructuring it, then taking control of Attempt.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Didn't expect to suddenly be competitive last year, managing Oscar
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Piastri becoming more competitive as well and learning through his
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: first season, then this year is suddenly becoming a front runner.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I think he's doing a really good job. I think
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: that the second half of the year will see a
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: more consistently competitive MCN and that's where things, I think
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: get kind of interesting because if we look at the
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: trajectory of these two teams, McLaren, in the last six races,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: as you said that, it's thirty something points, I've outscored
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Red Bull Rights. It's just over six points per rates.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Now Red Bull leads in the constructor standings by seventy
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: eight points. If that trend continues, red Bull would win
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: by only four points. So let's call that the margin
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: for error. And now we kind of understand the context
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: of why Red Bull Racing is panicking so much about
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the performance of Sergio Perriot's because that shows it up
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that the Constructors Championship really is vulnerable. But there's another
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: way of looking at these points I found quite interesting,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: which is that if you go through that hypothetical championship
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I ran through the swing against for Staffen or the
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: points for Staffan would lose is only sixteen, but Norris
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: would gain forty seven. Red Bull would lose only twenty,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: but mclar would gain sixty six. It's not that Max
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: is not getting the most out of it or Red Bull,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: at least with one car, is not getting the most
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: out of it. These points are just on the table
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: for McLaren to take. So if they just sharpen themselves up,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: it's almost close to I don't want to say out
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: of Red Bull's hands, because obviously if they just start
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: dominating again then it will be in their hands. But
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: if McLaren just sharpens up at this break, it's not
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: even a question that they will catch and maybe even
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: pass Thredball racing, and that's almost a new paradigm for
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Formula One. I almost can't quite believe that we are
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: really talking about a Constructor's Championship challenge.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But then we're also relying on a status quo at
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Red Bull.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: You know, Sergio Perez not lifting or a change, They're
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: not having some sort of positive impact.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And that's not to say, you know, if they change,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: it's a risk.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Regardless of who you put in there, be that Liam Lawson,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yuki Sonoda, Daniel Ricardo, all of them are a risk.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And that's the challenge that the Christian of Horn in
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Our faces. It goes back to last week's episode, what
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: is the least worst option? Because that's kind of what
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: he is faced with. Now, what's going to guarantee you?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: It needs effectively a point or two two points a
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: race out of Perez?
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Stupid, it sounds it's kind of enough.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: It just about moves the goal post, given the start
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to the year they had. It just about moves the
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: goal posts far enough away that Red Bull can tease
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: it through. But I mean that's that's expecting Sergio Paris
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: to finish ninth in every race. I mean that they
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: can realistically have bigger ambitions than that and higher expectations.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I honestly think the championship will go to Red Bull
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: and or go to red Bull easily. But I'm excited
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: about not necessarily what this means for this year, but
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: what this means for the next year, because what McLaren
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: is doing is getting all of these cobwebs out.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Of the system.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: It's learning how to win, it's getting comfortable at the front,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: it's learning how to battle an out smart and you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: shadow box with red Bull. Once it's comfortable and it's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: skinned doing all of those sorts of things, we get
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: to next year. Everything resets when we get to Melbourne,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Belville being round one next year as opposed to Bahrain,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: and we've got a championship final from round one, not
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: hopefully towards the end, assuming red Bull doesn't pick up
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: at McLaren keeps its current trajectory, we've got a championshipattle
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: from round one.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: That's the way I'm looking at this.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not so interested in this year's championship for me,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: it's what it means for next year going forward.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It's just a shame it feels like everything's clicked this
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: year five rounds too late. This is all the points
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: gap we're talking about here was almost all accumulated by
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: red Bull and Max in the first five races of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the season, after which McLaren brought that Miami upgrade and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: suddenly became very competitive, and shortly after that Mercedes became
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: competitive and Ferrari's what's hard to know exactly where that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and the mix at the moment. We'll find out a
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: bit more over the next two weeks. But had it
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: only started, had we only had a regular nineteen or
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: twenty race calendar, then we'd be laughing. This would be great,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: one of the all time great seasons. But yes, like
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you say, hope that's a case for twenty twenty five.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Let's look ahead now, Matt, to this weekends Hungarian Grand Prix,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the first of the double header that closes out this
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: part of the season before the mid season break. There's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: a lot going on in this next two races, quite
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a lot on the line for a couple of different
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: teams and drivers. We've talked quite a bit, especially last episode,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and you can go back and find that in your
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: podcast app of Choice about the problem and question facing
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Red bull Racing, and that potentially involves, of course, Daniel, Ricardo,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Lee and Wilson. You just noticed your pairs. What's going
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to happen there? Much of that's going to be decided
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: after the next two rounds. What I'm interested to find
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: out now is if we can get and if it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: even worth asking what the form guide is because it
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: seems so changeable. Who's going to win the next two
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: races for the first time in a long time is
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: an extremely difficult question to answer. There are a couple
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: of reasons you might want to think it could be. Mercedes,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: despite being so poor over the last two years, took
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: pole position at both of them with through Russell and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton in twenty two and twenty three respectively. Lewis
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Hamilton is the most successful driver of all time here
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: with eight wins, so quld equal that record, equaling ninth
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: win if he wins this weekend. And there are more
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: upgrades to come for Mercedes this weekend. We know as
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: we sort of talked about last week about that Mercedes
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is back in the mix. I'm interested to see if
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: they're actually back in that regular race winning mix rather
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: than just being at the point end.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: In general.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be it's going to be a
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: scorcher in Hungary and it's always hot there, but you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Budapest and the Circuit's only fifteen kilometers out of the
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: circuit out of the city, but Budapest is in the
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: middle of an extreme heat wave. You know, we're talking
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: mid thirties for the last week or so, creeping up
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: to around forties over the weekend.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I was keeping half an eye on it even now.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: The long range stuff.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: We're talking thirty four degrees on Friday, thirty three on Saturday,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: thirty four on Sunday, and that's with the cloud cover,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: so it's going to be hot. I'm unconvinced. I may
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: to be convinced. It's probably a better way to say
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: about Mercedes in hot conditions. It works well in the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: cooler conditions. We saw that in Canada, we saw that
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: in Silverston. Let's see what the updates bring. But I'm
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: not convinced they're yet in that conversation day in day out.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Like we say, McLaren is now with Red Bull. I
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: think we can go into to this weekend looking at
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Red Bull and McLaren realistically being contenders for the big trophy,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the one that Landa will try not to drop this year.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Ferrari. If they get it together, they can be in there.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: But they get it together less often than not, less
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: often than not, So I.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I'm curious to see where Mercedes ends up.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: That's to me the big one this weekend, because if
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Mercedes starts getting too the mix, it makes Red Bulls
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: job easier. And the reason I say that is it
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: will start taking points away from mc red Bull.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Losing points at this stage doesn't matter.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: It's going to be diminishing returns in terms of the
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: impact it has on its constructors Championship advantage. It will
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: hurt Red Bull, sorry, hurt McClaren far more than will
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: hurt Red Bull. So I kind of want Mercedes in
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: there so that we've got six drivers, potentially eight drivers
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: vying for a win on any given weekend. I'm being
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: generous to Sergio, but at the same time I kind
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: of don't because then you've got abilities and outside chance,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: but you've then got a chance of a championship battle.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And in the grand scheme of things, what's that's a
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: big What gets you out of your seat?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Mike?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Is it a combative races or a combative championship?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Good question.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I'm very on board with the idea of a constructor's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: championship battle because I can't think of the last time
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: we got a battle that was purely for the constru
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Tructors Championship. Is always the driver's title attached almost always,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I'm trying.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: To think back now quickly fourteen, twenty fourteen, say, surely not.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen, twenty ten, but there was also the driver's
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: title attached. That that's what I mean. Last time we
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: had a pure constructors.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Title twenty one twenty one, the drivers and Mercedes won
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the constructors that's.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: True, but still to my point, there's still was the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: driver's title alive, and that obviously took the attention because still,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: while the teams obviously all want to win the constructors
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: title because there's the prize money element and the prestige
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: album all that kind of thing, the drivers is the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: thing that gets headlines that they sell themselves on. So
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: if that's decided on the one hand in Max's favor,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it makes the battle then really quite tactical, because if
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: we've if everyone decides that Max is too far away
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to catch, and that's pretty much the case unless something
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: really bizarre happened in the second half of the year,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: then sudding all the drivers really have to play the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: team game and will be called upon to play the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: team game because it's the only thing that's alive to win.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I like a good race, obviously, but the broader narrative
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I think is more exciting. The idea that Red Bull
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Racing might lose the Constructors Championship so relatively early at
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: what we might term this second dynasty as well, I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: think is a really interesting storyline because by rights, they
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: should have it pretty easy this year, even though it's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: so competitive. If Sergio Perez were pulling his weight, it
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: should be sorted by now, and it's potential they've missed
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the window to have capitalized on that.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of equate it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: This is a realization that I've just had what you
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: were speaking there, and I'm a massive cycling fan, to
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: the point when I was initially I between Imiler and Monica,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I scarved off for a day when saw a.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Stage of the Gero D'taier.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I saw Tana pegn pulature win at the top of
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: some mountain somewhere as the coldest I've ever been.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: In my life.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: But if you consider, you know, a big bike race
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like the Gero Dtailier or the Volta Spana or probably
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: more recently the Tour de France.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: If you consider that to be a world championship.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Within that, you've got all these individual races that can
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: be individually very exciting, but then you've got all packaged
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: up within a month or twenty one days, twenty four days,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: by the time you'll take rest days, you've got it
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: all packaged up, and you've got this narrative that runs
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: all the way through it. And for me as a
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: cycling fan, that's what I follow all the way through.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I love watching you know, Mark Cavendish winning his thirty
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: fifth stage tour at the Tour that was fantastic. You know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I remember well seeing his first stage winning back in
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: the day. Seeing those highlights is brilliant. See Goskopiastri's first
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: win is going to be brilliant. It's going to happen,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: as you know, it's a matter of time, but seeing
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: that will be brilliant. But for me, the biggest story
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: is how the championship is one and watching not necessarily
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: now and understanding it, but perhaps looking back and seeing
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: where these leavers are being pulled and how whoever ends
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: up with the championship. Let fate, let's be honest, it's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: going to be Max and red Bull how they actually
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: achieved that, and I think we're going to reflect at
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the end of the year. It's going to be as
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: you said before, those first five races where they were
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: so rapid, all the gates will be key, and then
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I've just hung on through through the end of it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I also think that a battle for the driver's championship
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: is obviously what we're all here for, but it's so rare.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: You get a long battle between the two protagonists on track, right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: The driver's title battle normally happens really race to race,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: but then when you're talking about constructors points, you tend
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to get weirder strategies. You also then tend to get
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: drivers having to drive defensively against other drivers, and I
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: actually think that ends up being really exciting. You think
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: back to I know this is a driver's example, but
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Sergio peir Is defending against Lewis Hamilton from that cursed
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Abudaw twenty twenty one or even and there was nothing
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: on the line, But it's not other than pride but hungry.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Fernando Alonso versus Lewis Hamilton,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: when a driver has to defend and use all of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: their wits to defend, which is almost always to do
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: with constructors and strategy. Was exactly really excited. Well, exactly right.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: That's it's exactly right. And they've been doing that four
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: constructors championship position because there's no glory on the line
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: for either driver obviously, but there is millions of dollars
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: on the line for Haa. So I think that's quite interesting.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So we'll wait and see, we'll see how it unfolds.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Ferrari could be you know what's interesting about all this
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: as well as we never talked about Ferrari in the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: context of it being second in the constructor standing, it's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: been a lot of times as we mentioned that they
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: are actually the closest team to Red Bull Racing. Fred
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Massa talked to Yeah, talked a good game after a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: pretty dow of British Grand Prix in which Color Science
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: was almost fifty seconds off the lead and Charlocke there
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: was a lap down that this was the weekend they
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: had to have to use a phrase similar to last
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: year's Dutch Grand Prix where they sort of sacrificed all
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the practice to understand why the upgrades they brought were working.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Why the car wasn't working, And he pointed out after
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the Dutch Grand Prix was Monza, and what was after Singapore,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And of course Monza they are on pole and got
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: as close as any team was going to get to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: winning that race, and then did win in Singapore and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: actually bounced back and that really good end of the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: season that seemed to spring board them into this year.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So I think this is actually quite an important race
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: for Ferrari because if there's any truth to the good
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: game Fred Masser talks, it should show up here. Also
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: because this circuit should be a bit more favorable to Ferrari.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: It's not as high speed. It's certainly not what they
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: used to say Monaco without the walls of yesteryear, because
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it's just not the way it works with these cars.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But it is slower speed. It should be more Ferrari
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: friendly territory.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point as well. You know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Ferrari doesn't excel at the extreme high speed. It doesn't
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: like the really long stuff. We saw that in Spain.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: It's not too about the shortest stuff, but you know
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: there's a little.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Bit of everything. In Hungary.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: It's more a medium to high speed circuit. These days,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: some of the g's they pull. I saw a video comparison.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I think it was two thousand and four, Michael Schumacher
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: going through the left hander at the top of the hill,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: ending the camel's neck and onto his jawline.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what cordinator is.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: What we want two three, maybe maybe turn four the
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: left handed, but he was doing something like two hundred
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: kilometer is now back in two thousand and four. These
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: days they're doing two hundred and sixty through the same quarter.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I mean that's extreme. I mean you look at the
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: cars and fundamentally they don't really look any different, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: yet they're doing sixty kilometers Now, I mean that's proportionally,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: that's significant, and you know you multiply that out around
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: the lap, and yeah, you end up with a high
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: speed circuit. It's not Monaco in a paddock anymore.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: So.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I mean the downside is that overtaking is difficult tired
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: deg It'd be interesting to see where we land with
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: that and Probbly they considered it a four out of
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: five for traction, two out of five for Rashvelt grip,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: two out of five for abrasion.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Five out of five for downfalls obviously just bowled.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Out everything you've got on, but it's an average or
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: they're about circuit four times, So yeah, I don't know
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: that we get too much help out of those. But yeah,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know it's going to be interesting. Ferrari could
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: be there, but you're right, I you know that I'll
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: put an asterisk next to them as a contender, where
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you know I'll put a highlighter through Red Bull and McLaren.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is difficult to pass here, but it does
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: also feel like the Hungara rings come into its own
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in the last i don't know, a few years. It
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: feels like it's almost consistently a reasonably good race now,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So sometimes circuits just click weirdly and look finally and briefly,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: because we do have to get to our ratings. Of
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: course we wrap this up, we should mention, of course,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: RB because there will be a lot of focus on
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that team, particularly on Daniel Ricardo on whether he can
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: haul himself into contention for Sergio Perez a seat in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the second half of the year. Remarkable that could be
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: either get back to Red Bull Racing or POTSIV sacks.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You won't see that any other support. But this is
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a team that was also struggling with up grades after
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Barcelona I think it was as well. Has seemed to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: have generally wound a lot of those back too, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: have ended up somewhere that's just outside the top ten.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Now feels a lot like HASS might have stepped ahead.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: We also got LPNE closing in behind. It's also be
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: an important race for that team, because there's a lot
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of positivity and almost hype, certainly during preseason testing that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: RB could be the next team to try and join
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: those front runners. Still a while away from that, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it seems like even topping the midfield now seems like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it could be becoming increasingly difficult.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I think preseason there's a little bit of scare mongering
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: there as well, because there's this whole ab team relationship
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: and some of that stuff was creeping into the conversation preseason,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: being led by one or two rivals. But I mean,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: this is a critical weekend for RB, not in terms
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: of the result and the need to score points, but
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the need to get on top of the damned upgrades,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: because since whatever they bolted on in Spain, the carl
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: went back they arrived in Austria with a bit of
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: a mismatch. They almost ran back to back between the
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: two cars with mismatched parts to try and get an
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: idea and a grip on where they're gone wrong, which
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: in itself is highly alarming because you know what Formula
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: One team goes to a track and said, oh, we
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: don't know what the issue is, let's just try a
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: bit of everything. That's that's a hell of an acknowledgment.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: There were positive signs in the race for for Daniel Ricardo,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the Sprint British Grand Prix. Again they were they were nowhere,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and that's that's a concern. Okay, Yuki, would you can
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: have ninth? I think it was in the end, but
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: they were inconspicuous. They were over outperformed by by has
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: in a race where you didn't have a red Bull feature,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you didn't have a Ferrari feature, so they were realistically
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: in a normal race.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: There are eleventh.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: But the biggest concern here is those updates and the
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: correlation issue that they clearly have.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: If they don't understand.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: After the Belgian Grand Prix, what the hell is going
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: on with those upgrades, I would expect that team to
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: plummet like a stone in the back half of the year,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: because how can you bring upgrades if you're not confident
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: in what you're bringing adding performance? Because that's ultimately what
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: they want to do. They want to improve the car.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: It's not necessarily about lap time. It's improving tire wear
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: or temperature build up or whatever it might be. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: you've got to have confidence that when you bolt the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: bit on, it's going to have the expected result, give
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: or take a few percent, and at the moment it's take.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: A lot of percent. And that's that's hugely concerning.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And I guess so I point against the whole amb
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: team argument because clearly it's not paying too much attention
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: to Red Bull.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: If that was the case.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So quite a bit on the line for couple of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I was and a couple of teams in the Hungarian
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Grand Prix. But let's wrap up Matt now in the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: new traditional way out points for the week. I want
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to start with yes, straightforward one, speaking about what we
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: talked about earlier on today, and I want to give
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: sixty six points back to McLaren for a missed opportunities
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so far. This season's my first positive rating. I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of the year.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think they were all which you have
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: last week British Grand Prix minus hundred and sixty eight thousand.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: A long way back to them.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say big half the season, big half. So
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: what's your ration out for giving McClaren back forty four points?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I just think that I want to get that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I want to essentially wipe out the first five races.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to a traditional eighteen to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: twenty race calendar. Unfortunately, the damage was done in those
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: first few races, so I want to give McLaren some
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: points back and get us back to where we should
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: be to get award.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: It's like when you play baseball and they mercy after
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: you year so many runs down. So are you taking
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: away the first five races a year or the last
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: five of the couds completely botched?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: No? I don't know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I'm just using the points that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: they've lost. I want to give them back the I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: want to give them back the advantage they should have.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: So sixty sixty six points right, okay, all right, I'm
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give three hundred and twenty nine points
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: to Ralph Schumacher because that's that's the number of points
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: that he scored during during his career, and it's you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: he's made some revelations about his personal life on social
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: media in the last week.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Or so, and I think that's really all we need
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to say about it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: He battled through his entire career, you know, pretending to
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: be someone in the years, and it's fabulous is now
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: able to be someone that he is and it's great
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: for the sport.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: So plus three hundred and twenty nine points to to
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Ralf Schumacher.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Doubled his whole career earnings. There you go, in one shot.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I've got another positive point to give, just one, one
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: positive point to Christian Horner.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Should hear hello, Yes.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Christian Horner for not crashing Sebastian Vedel's Red Bull car
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: at Goodwood remarkable late call ups fashion Mettal. I like
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the excuse he was just on holiday and good for him.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: He's retired. He should be able to go on holiday
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: with his family. But he didn't crash the car. A
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: lot of pressure, by all reports there was, there were
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: genuine nerves to Christian order hadn't driven in a Formula
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: One car since ninety three, so what's that thirty odd
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: years thirty one years? Yeah, I think he said, yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: since the ninety eight or thereabouts and whatever. That was
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: probably Formula three car in South the top of my head,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and I had a crack, didn't screw it up. There
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: were a lot of red bull eras I think a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: good would from my understanding, a lot of failures to
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: start cars and so on. So it wasn't the greatest
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: showing by the team, but the team boss he did alright,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: So is that how many points?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Was that? One? Just one? Just one? All right? One?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: He's off the mark, Yeah, exactly. He's already a head
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: of Logan's sergeant and.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Got him.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Fun fact. Chris Horner raced against Craiglowns in Formulata.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Here's a fun fact.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: You go, there, you go.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Funnily enough, Craiglowns was driving for Helmet Marco, so it's
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: all very very instant.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: He belongs on the Helmet Marco pile of disappointing drivers.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Oh that was you, not me.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying he disappointing Helmut Marco.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I think they're extenuating circumstances, particularly given his teammate that
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: year was was one Pablo Montoya. Yes, yeah, that that
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: a young one. Pablo would tend to finish a few
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: drivers careers. I imagine as far as their Formula one
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: aspirations go. My second point, I've gone positive here as well.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Yuki Sonoda nice plus one thy nine hundred and sixty eight.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Wow, he's definitely in the Red Bull driver.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: He because he drove in a modern F one car
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: with an old school helmet and goggles. And it's like
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight is when they begin to introduced full
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: face howits so is an absolute mad lad forgiving it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: You go, it's great. I love it. It's you.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say in the race, but for
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: her fun it's somewhere like Goodwood. Yeah, I think that's fabulous.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So yeah, nineteen sixty eight to commemorate the year that
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Bell began introducing full face hobits.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yuki, he's now top of our leaderboard for what
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: it's worth.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like margin, Yes, that's quite a lot. I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: have to end on a minus though unfortunately for me anyway,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: it's minus one point also to Christian Horner to zero
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: unfortunately for taking laps off Liam Lawson at the Silverston
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: filming day as practice for Goodwood. So Liam Hawson built
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: up to his two hundred kilometers or whatever it is
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: of the filming day and Christian Horder said, well, I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: need to get a feel for the car.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Get out.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't wrong current Goodwood, but I think it was.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I believe it was the same time. Be wrong, but
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I believe it was the same car. It's Silverston.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's fantastic. Let's look into that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, even if it, even if it was an
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: old car, I still took tract I took some, took
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: some spotlight away from Liam.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Mine. So there you go, Christian Horner back on
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: par with Logan sergeant and all right, so my last
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: point it all centers on Goodwood.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: It seems this week my last points awarding goes okay,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: So a special appearance relates a little bit to an
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Australian jack doing an alpine Mineu's twenty and twelve points
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: for passing off the lotus E twenty is.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: An alpine that really grates me. That sort of stuff.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, you're saying the rounds for a long time, isn't it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: In about seventeen different paint schemes.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: But it's the car that Kippy Richen and drove to
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Victory and Amy Derby in twenty twelve.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It is a Lotus E. Twenty. You you know, if
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: You can't dress that thing up.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's the same team, and then it came out
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: of the same factory, but you can't try and pass
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that off as an Alpine car. It's the same that
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: goes back to Lotus trying, you know that Lotus. They
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: keep me writing the Lotus trying to simultaneously claim the
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: heritage of Betaton and therefore told them and Lotus, which
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: is the point that I grappled with back a decade
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: or so ago. So yeah, minus twenty twelve four Alpine
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: for trying to falsify history.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Surely they surely it's time they get an updated show cart. Like,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I understand budget constraints, but that's a long time ago. Now,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: surely time.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Would it not cost them more to rewrap the car
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and maintain it and just bring one of the you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: give you a quick dust through some tires on it
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: out you go.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. I don't know yes, it's certainly
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: done the rounds. Maybe they just like it, maybe it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: just you. It starts up easy, it doesn't give them
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: any problems to the mechanics. I don't know, but it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: sorely time that they bring an updated car.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: But it's time to do with a hybrid battery and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But anyway, quite possibly, but I mean other teams are
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: doing it. Come on, lift. That's all the time we've
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: got for pit Talk this week anyway, though, but we'll
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: be back next week to wrap up all of the
• 42:21
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• 42:29
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• 42:35
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• 42:37
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• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Very good, beauty