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GINA'S CASH-ITA CRISIS! | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well. Raindrops, Alexis, Jansen, and I are back
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  Speaker 1: for another recap of the Real Housewives of Orange County.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, follow my YouTube channel because you get to
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  Speaker 1: see the visuals, honey.
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  Speaker 2: My girl is wearing a pink sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 1: You look good.
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  Speaker 3: I never sweatshirt it very often, but now you're sweatshirting
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  Speaker 3: it too. And we kind of have the Harajuku vibes going.
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  Speaker 3: You're Heather Dubrow and her Chanel and I'm all the
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  Speaker 3: other girls and they're hot pink. I loved the Harajuku.
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  Speaker 3: Is that how you pronounce it? I'm scared I'm saying
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  Speaker 3: it wrong now.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. It's so great.
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  Speaker 3: I love me a costume, but I'm like, dang, I
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  Speaker 3: really want to do that for Halloween one year. Not
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  Speaker 3: this year, but one year. I know. I know.
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  Speaker 1: No, I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the trip, first of all, the trip was great.
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  Speaker 1: I like the fact that they were able to tap
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  Speaker 1: into their culture and just really have fun and give
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  Speaker 1: us some great commentary.
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  Speaker 2: But listen, comparing me to Heather Dubrow, I have.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I am Gina in a casita, allegedly, compared to
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  Speaker 1: Heather's shit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not comparing you like you're both chocolate or you're
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  Speaker 3: both vanilla or where you live. I'm comparing.
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  Speaker 1: I am chocolate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm comparing... And she's not. I'm comparing the fact that you,
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  Speaker 3: you are wearing black Harajuku vibe. And that's what Heather did.
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  Speaker 3: She did the Chanel version, black and white, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: wearing the bright pink, which I didn't even put to,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even think about it until you started this.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you, have you ever wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: to Tokyo?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's on my like bucket list.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it is.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So when Heather said that, I'm like, I have to
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  Speaker 3: ask Carlos. Cause it never was on mine at all
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  Speaker 3: until I saw this episode. Oh no.
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  Speaker 1: Going to Japan is like seriously on my bucket list.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, I just, I, you know, and I
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  Speaker 3: feel like it's like, you know, the Asian, you get
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  Speaker 3: a lot of that, but the Tokyo.
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  Speaker 2: Is like, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful, beautiful city in addition to the culture
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  Speaker 1: and the fashions and the food. I am here for
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  Speaker 1: everybody who I know that went and have said, Carlos,
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  Speaker 1: you have to go.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. After watching this, I want to. Here's the thing, Carlos.
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  Speaker 3: You and I have connections with producers, so we need
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  Speaker 3: to call them and get the exact itinerary that those do.
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  Speaker 3: We can do exactly that because they had the perfect
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  Speaker 3: trip set up. I wonder how many months it took
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  Speaker 3: those that team to put that all together for the girls,
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  Speaker 3: but it was the perfect trip.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually, it was. And listen, I will call new. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I will call Luke Ness. Let's just show him runner.
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  Speaker 2: And get the T know that.
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  Speaker 1: But listen, I feel like based on if I got
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  Speaker 1: this wrong is next week, the finale is, I.
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  Speaker 3: Feel like it is, but I didn't know for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Me neither. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's the finale. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: let's get into this.
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  Speaker 3: Let me call my people to call their people to
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  Speaker 3: find out if that's the last finale, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Honey, honey, you got the people of the people, honey. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: no that. So look, in this episode, it starts off
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  Speaker 1: with this conversation that was had between Heather and a
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  Speaker 1: group of girls, Emily was there, about, you know, Gina
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  Speaker 1: spending her money because we saw them shopping. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what's so funny? Not to like not continue whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Alexa's reaction was mine, but once I finish, I will
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  Speaker 1: explain to her too why I agree with her. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Gina is shopping as any adult would. Whether you
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  Speaker 1: have one child or 10.
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  Speaker 3: Or whether you have $ 1 or 10. Or $ 10. You're
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  Speaker 3: going to shop in your budget and you're going to shop.
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  Speaker 3: If you're in Tokyo, do as the Tokyo people do
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  Speaker 3: and you shop, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And according to Jamie, hey, Jamie, the finale is next Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I see you have people in high places there. Thanks, Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't come as high than my Jamie. Thank you, Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: So with that being said, look, Gina's shopping and Emily
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  Speaker 1: goes back. Once again, Alexis, we talked about this last week,
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  Speaker 1: the game of telephone. So once again, Emily goes back
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  Speaker 1: to the hotel. You know, she's sharing a room with
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  Speaker 1: Gina and she says, oh, by the way, Heather has
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  Speaker 1: concerns about how much money you're spending.
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  Speaker 2: She wonders if you are.
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  Speaker 1: Acting like an actress who gets a gig and once
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  Speaker 1: they get the gig, they spend the money without having
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  Speaker 1: another gig in place because we all know in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: you're only as good as your last gig and it's
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  Speaker 1: not a sustainable salary job. So Gina rightfully so offended
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  Speaker 1: because she's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, number one, why are you counting my money?
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  Speaker 1: Number two, if you felt so concerned about my money habits,
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  Speaker 1: why didn't you give me the real estate opportunity for
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  Speaker 1: your child to have, you know, a place to stay.
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  Speaker 1: And three, she has a job. And for me, team
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  Speaker 1: Gina here. And look, I'm not going to make this
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  Speaker 1: all about dissing Heather, but once again, I've said this
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  Speaker 1: once and I'll say it again, Heather, this is my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: This is the look. These are the thoughts and commentary
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  Speaker 1: of only Carlos King. Do not include Alexis Jansen in this.
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  Speaker 1: This is only the thoughts and opinions of Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I think Heather is so pretentious, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: isn't a bad thing. I like my reality stars that
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit of quirks about them. That's hers.
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  Speaker 1: But it goes to show you that I've been saying
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  Speaker 1: this for years. When she looks at Gina specifically, she
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  Speaker 1: looks at her like a charity case. And that commentary
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  Speaker 1: concern illustrated that for me.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Okay. Well, I do feel like it's nobody's business
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  Speaker 3: on Housewives to judge other people on how they're spending
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  Speaker 3: their money. It goes back to the episode where Jen,
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  Speaker 3: it was one of our first years. And maybe even
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  Speaker 3: the year before, maybe it was even, so I did
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  Speaker 3: season 18. Maybe it was season 17. when Jen first
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  Speaker 3: got on and someone made the comment about, well, if
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  Speaker 3: your house is getting foreclosed on or, you know, you're
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  Speaker 3: getting evacuated, why are, why are you wearing a Rolex?
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  Speaker 3: It's nobody's business how people get their money, use their money,
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  Speaker 3: go broke, get rich. It's nobody's business. It's like money
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  Speaker 3: and housewives should not mix, but it's actually like the
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  Speaker 3: biggest storyline of every housewives franchise is like the money
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  Speaker 3: and all the questions that will go around the money.
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  Speaker 3: But so I just felt like it was so out
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  Speaker 3: of line because like if Gina was Let's say Gina
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  Speaker 3: just closed a huge house and she has to go
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  Speaker 3: fall shopping or whatever month they went to Japan. I
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  Speaker 3: forget what it was, but whatever month they were, she
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  Speaker 3: needs a few items for this or she wants this.
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  Speaker 3: And she set a certain amount of money aside from
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  Speaker 3: her money to go shopping. Whose business is it to say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: now you're going to go broke? I don't think Gina
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  Speaker 3: is going to go broke. Okay. I think she's wise
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  Speaker 3: enough now when you are raising kids on your own,
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  Speaker 3: you're wise enough to know like the money that's going
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  Speaker 3: to be bleeding out of you when you come, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they go to college and and everything. It's, it's, I,
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  Speaker 3: I just was so, I was so just kind of
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  Speaker 3: irked by the whole thing and thought, man, they're just
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  Speaker 3: really looking for something to grab at something else to,
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  Speaker 3: cause they're, everything's kind of kumbaya. So it seems like
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  Speaker 3: they're just grabbing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I, what?
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  Speaker 1: My sentiment based on the last scene of this episode,
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  Speaker 1: but we will get to that. My beautiful blonde, we
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  Speaker 1: will get to that. And I say to you, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't been so infuriated than watching the ending of this episode.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll explain to you why. Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited to hear because I do not have
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  Speaker 3: that reaction.
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  Speaker 1: I'm angry. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's get through this so we can get to
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  Speaker 3: the end because now I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: Alexis said, how about we fast forward to the end?
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  Speaker 1: Wait to the end and then go to the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Go to the beginning. Wait. I can wait. Raindrops. Stay tuned. Okay. Listen, I... Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I'm on Gina's side, which is why when Gina confronted
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  Speaker 1: Heather about this, Heather's like, look, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: make sure you're good. And I wasn't counting your money.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't doing any of those things. I just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that Everything you were doing were right.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, Jen and Tam was like, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like that. It wasn't like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we were just concerned about making sure you
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  Speaker 1: were good. And then Jen is like, cause you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: you're inspiring because you went from living in a casita
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  Speaker 1: to your new house and Gina loses it. Like, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, I wasn't living in a casita with my children.
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  Speaker 1: My husband was, was living in LA for work. I
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  Speaker 1: would go on the weekends and live in Casita. And
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  Speaker 1: you guys are making it seem like I was just
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  Speaker 1: like this. haphazard woman putting my kids through that and
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  Speaker 1: once again Gina sigh because this is how I feel
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  Speaker 1: unless you're asking me to loan you money I have
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  Speaker 1: no right to worry about how you're spending yours.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. That is so true.
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  Speaker 1: Right? And Alexis, let's break the fourth wall. Gina is
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  Speaker 1: a seven-season, maybe five. I may be stretching.
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  Speaker 3: Seven. No.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's just five.
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  Speaker 3: She was five on 18. So now she's six, seven.
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  Speaker 1: She's seven.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie, make sure I'm accurate, please. Gina is a seven-season
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  Speaker 1: housewife consecutively. She's getting paid from the show too, guys.
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  Speaker 1: That's why, to your point, are y'all just making shit
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  Speaker 1: up to have something to fight about? She's getting paid
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  Speaker 1: by Bravo.
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  Speaker 3: Right. On top of selling 20 million, closing 20 million
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  Speaker 3: in real estate, according to Emily. We have to say
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  Speaker 3: that because it didn't come out of Gina's mouth. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: As a mom, did you understand where she was coming from?
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  Speaker 3: Well, oh yes. Cause I mean, you, it's called nest.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of called nesting. And it's when you are
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  Speaker 3: just starting the initial process of a divorce and you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to uproot the children right away. Your parents
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  Speaker 3: are already breaking up and that's enough for the little
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  Speaker 3: kids to handle. That's enough on their shoulders, whether they're
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  Speaker 3: teenagers or younger, it doesn't matter. It's enough. Don't uproot
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  Speaker 3: their bedrooms. Don't go into a second home yet. Give
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  Speaker 3: them a month or two or however long you need
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  Speaker 3: to nest to process it all. Make it exciting that
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  Speaker 3: you found another home. Now you have two homes, guys.
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  Speaker 3: You have two bedrooms. Make things happen a little slower.
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  Speaker 3: So what Gina was doing was simply when her husband
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  Speaker 3: came soon to be ex-husband came into town, he got
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  Speaker 3: the house so the kids didn't have to move. She
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  Speaker 3: went to a casita, but why wouldn't you? I would
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  Speaker 3: go stay with friends or go rent a hotel room.
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  Speaker 3: That's what, or stay in one of our other homes.
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  Speaker 3: We had other homes, but then we were showing those.
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  Speaker 3: So whatever worked out, it was like, I would, that's
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  Speaker 3: what I would do. That's what Jim would do. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's what she was doing. So it wasn't that she
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  Speaker 3: was living in a casita. However, I can see how
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  Speaker 3: it can be perceptualized as that. But you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was good that Gina put them in their place and said,
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  Speaker 3: I've never lived in a casita. She kind of yelled,
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  Speaker 3: yelled that, but I would be too, because it's like, don't,
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  Speaker 3: don't make something that's not there. I was not living.
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  Speaker 3: I was nesting for my children. And I wish she
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  Speaker 3: would have said that term because that's really what it is,
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  Speaker 3: is nesting. But I wish she would have just said that.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, it was for my kids, which
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  Speaker 3: she did say. So yeah. Another thing that was kind
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  Speaker 3: of being made out of nothing, but for the money part,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, if they weren't, if they were, if they
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  Speaker 3: were coming from a good place or were like, you know, how,
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  Speaker 3: how it was like, I forget what you just said. They,
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  Speaker 3: what words they used, but if it was like, they
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  Speaker 3: weren't judging it, And they weren't trying to make something
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  Speaker 3: out of nothing. Why did they even bring it up?
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  Speaker 3: Because there's really no signs that she's going south or
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  Speaker 3: going back. She's even being so conscious with her money
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  Speaker 3: that she's deciding, do we even throw a big wedding
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  Speaker 3: or save the money for our kids? So she's not
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  Speaker 3: being unwise with her money. She's obviously maybe passing up
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  Speaker 3: a wedding for her children. So let's let Gina have
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  Speaker 3: her life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And listen, I'm not going to say they feel
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  Speaker 1: this way. I'm going to tell you how I feel.
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  Speaker 1: I also just feel like there are people in this
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  Speaker 1: world who like having a broke friend. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? You call it.
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  Speaker 3: A charity case kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, don't we.
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  Speaker 3: All have someone that's not like, like that's a little,
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  Speaker 3: that's broke.
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  Speaker 1: According to where we're at.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone does. I mean, people that are so much, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm broke to most people in my group.
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  Speaker 1: True, true. Listen, listen. I have a few billionaires in
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  Speaker 1: my phone that I'm like, can you loan me some money, please?
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  Speaker 1: But I'm good. And they're like, we don't need to
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  Speaker 1: loan it.
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  Speaker 3: You can just have it at your Christmas present. You're like,
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  Speaker 3: thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I do feel like, listen, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: good person. If you've ever felt the need as a.
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  Speaker 2: Tax write-off, You know, like.
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  Speaker 1: Donate to my company. Donate to me, please.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the charity of Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: I will appreciate it. And it's not even a deal
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  Speaker 1: in your pocketbook.
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  Speaker 2: But I do feel like when it comes to Gina.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, and you know me, I really do have, like,
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  Speaker 1: a soft spot for Gina. I... Ever since she got
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  Speaker 1: on the show, by the way, she's been on the
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  Speaker 1: show since season 13. So if you count season 13...
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  Speaker 1: she's had eight seasons. 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Kudos to her for that. But what I will say
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  Speaker 1: is I just think she is somebody that is doing
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  Speaker 1: so well in life. And we've seen her go through divorce.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen her deal with a DUI. We've seen her
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  Speaker 1: deal with trying to get back on her feet. And
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of like To your point, Alexis, why make
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  Speaker 1: this an issue? Are you guys struggling for a storyline?
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  Speaker 1: Are you guys kicking her because you want her to
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  Speaker 1: stay down? Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: This whole episode I was so offended by, but it
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  Speaker 1: started with that because I'm just like, this woman, Gina,
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  Speaker 1: who I affectionately call Gina Altman... Um, she bothers no
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  Speaker 1: one when it comes to like their money. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like she, she's not that type of person.
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  Speaker 1: And when she's made this comment about Heather, which I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Ooh, Heather, Heather, not gonna like that. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if it'll get addressed at the reunion when she's like,
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  Speaker 1: how does she get her money? How, you know, like Emily, well,
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  Speaker 1: she has a podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she's making a lot of money in
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  Speaker 1: that podcast. Um, so like, listen, Heather, no shade. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm all, let me tell you something. I'm all for
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  Speaker 1: a wife marrying a rich man. I, look, I think
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  Speaker 1: all women should. But anyways, my thing is this.
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  Speaker 2: I think it should be a part of like a
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  Speaker 2: course in high school.
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  Speaker 1: But my thing is this.
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  Speaker 3: Well, then how are any of the men going to
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  Speaker 3: get wives? What's your course going to be for that one?
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  Speaker 2: Economics of marriage and you.
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  Speaker 3: Broke me oh broke man you become the celibate ones
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  Speaker 3: celibate I don't know where your book is going but
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  Speaker 3: that book is gonna make it nowhere I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Just saying so Heather Heather has a shitload of money
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  Speaker 1: because of her husband and Which again, to me is
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  Speaker 1: not a diss.
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  Speaker 3: Are you sure? Hold on. Are you sure? Because her
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  Speaker 3: mom seems pretty affluent. We never really met her dad. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well you're talking. So her mom's money's here and then
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  Speaker 3: Terry's up here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think, listen, listen, I think between her
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: being a trust fund baby allegedly, cause I don't know
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: her pockets. Right. And I'm not going to do to
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Heather what she did to Gina.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying is a trust fund baby
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: means that she came from money too, honey.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: No, I know. I know.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: You said, no, no, no. You were saying her mother
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: seems very well off.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: So I was saying is either, I was agreeing with
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you that maybe her money comes from the status of
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: her parents, maybe. But we know that she's married to
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Terry and Terry is a multimillionaire. But my point is
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: no one, no one rightfully so judges Heather for being
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a kept woman because Because there's nothing wrong with being
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a kept woman. She's a mother. And I told you
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: mothers should get a salary anyway. But as a woman
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: whose husband is wealthy and Heather's only job is being
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: a housewife on Bravo, what gives you agency to worry
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: about a woman that does have a job that that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: pays her a salary outside of the Bravo show. That,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: to me, is why I felt it was very unfortunate
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: that any conversation was having about Gina's money. And look,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you know I love Jen. And I'm going to end
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: my point by saying this. Jen, you're the last one
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: to talk about someone's money. And that's why Jen should
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: have been the main one defending her versus joining in
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: on the conversation. I was disappointed in Jen in that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Well, and see, I read it a little different. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: took it that Jen kind of did defend her and
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Jen did say, you know, no, no, no, we were
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: just talking about it as this. And Heather said, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I respect Gina and I'm so happy for how far
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: she's come. So I took it then that Jen was
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: kind of being like, look, we were not doing this
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: in a negative way. And then Jen even threw herself
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: under the bus. Jen even said, look, I'll even talk
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: about me when I was getting evicted. I said evacuated earlier. Oh,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: my gosh. I said evacuated. It's evicted people.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: One moment. A lot of.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: You went too fast to the brain. Yeah, it's called evicted. Anyway,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: she was like, I'll refer to myself. And so I
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: feel I didn't feel like Jen was judging or doing
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: something she shouldn't be doing. But but at the same time,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like I liked how Gina stuck up for herself and
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: just said, look, I I am making my own money
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and I'm fine and and leave it at that. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I'm just I was like, that was good. And she
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: didn't even she didn't even get like, oh, what was me?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: She was just firm in her stance and like, look,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I'm doing just fine. You guys butt out.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Fight something. Yeah. Team Gina. Team Gina. This is Reality
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: with the King. And I'm Carlos King. Let's get back
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: into the show.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So Carmela, you know what's so funny?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I wonder if you know this, which is kind of
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: not good.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Did you notice Carmella wasn't in Tokyo?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Well, of course I noticed.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. Oh, oh, oh. No, like during the trip.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I forgot.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: She was even a cast member?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, this is the cast and Carmella's not there.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, my.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: No, Alexis. Alexis, be honest.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Throughout the Tokyo trip, did you even think about Carmella?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: No.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: No, but I thought if she's not on this episode,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: she's not getting paid for this episode. So that sucks.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: When she popped up, I said, oh, that's right. Where
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: have you been?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: We have an eighth housewife. Oops. Okay. Well, you're just
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: being honest. Well, I just thought, first of all, I
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: just thought this episode of the house of the Tokyo
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: trip was just really good. I really, I really liked
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: this episode. So I didn't, I didn't really, I wasn't,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: it's not that I wasn't thinking of where's Carmela, but I,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: it also wasn't, I was thinking. oh, we never missed Carmella.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. It just stopped the episode.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked it. So Carmella didn't go
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on the trip because her glucose levels were really high.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And we know this based on other scenes where she
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: has to inject herself for that. And she started to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: get emotional because she is concerned about where her life
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: is hitting. She said that she's still having problems with Danny.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Our daughter's 18 years old, is about to leave the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: house and go to college. She also wonders whether or
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: not she really has set her kids up to have
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: an adult life. And she really starts to get emotional.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And it goes to show you, too, that she is
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: going through something real. And I do think when it
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: comes to her authenticity on the show, these sort of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: conversations are important, which is why she is very likable
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to the audience. And we all agree. Brady know that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't end well with Danny. They're not together. But
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: how did you feel about hearing her as a mom
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: talk about, like, pretty much having mom guilt?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just so real. I mean, every mom.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you something. Because I'm going
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: through it now with my kids all in college and
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: one's in the fire, you know, fire world, fire station
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: or fireman. It's like I'm. and married by the way,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: on his own, but it is such a real, it's
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: almost like an identity crisis for yourself because you're like,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I've been known so much. I know I'm a working
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: woman also, but I've been known mostly as being a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: mom and it's my number one thing. So I felt
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: for Carmela because I'm like, it's so real when you
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: think they're all leaving the nest. And it is weird
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: once they go to school, once they go to college,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: it changes the dynamic completely. Because like Kenna's home right now,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: she just got her wisdom teeth out and she's been
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: home for a week. But like, It's just different because
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: she's so grown up now and in her own world
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: after being a month at college. And it's not like
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: we're like, oh, well, she's also in bed with chipmunk
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: cheeks right now. But it's not like we're like, oh,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: let's go shopping. Let's go to lunch. Let's go do this.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: It's just different because she misses her college friends. So
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I get it. Carmela knows what's coming. And it's like, oh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: my gosh, this is going to change the dynamic of
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the family forever. for the rest of our forever. Now
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: you just have to find your new dynamic, which is
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: why it's an identity crisis for moms who are stay
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: at home. Moms are just, you know, the most main caretaker.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I'm going through it with her. I feel it. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I felt sad for her. And I felt really sad
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: for her about, about Danny. I think that it's, I
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: think filming this show and you know, when you're in
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the spotlight with producers there inside your world, it's really
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: hard just to act like everything's okay when it's not
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: because everything's kind of being brought up to the surface.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, and I think in her mind,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: she's like, I really have to look at this thing
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: with Danny. Like I have to look at what's going on.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: And I, so I feel for her whole situation. I mean,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: imagine her children are now growing up. I mean, she
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: still has three at home, I think, isn't it? Right.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: The one's the one's 18 and going off, but she's
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: three more, but like she just lost that daughter to
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: school or is getting ready to, and then Danny. So
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: two losses all at one time. It's like, oof. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. And I just think, wow,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: what she's going through is so relatable. And I really
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: do like her a great deal.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: And it's bringing a lot of light to diabetes too,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: because I had no idea like what, I mean, you
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: always hear how horrible diabetes is, but you don't really
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: know unless you have someone in your world that suffers
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: from it and has to do all that. But like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine like her watch going off four
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: times in the middle of the night because her glucose
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: is so high and she has to wake up and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: go shoot herself and, and, you know, hope that she
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't hope that nothing bad happens and she ended up
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: in the hospital. It's just, it's tough.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: It's really, it's really, really, really tough, but I really
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: do appreciate her authenticity and really just going there in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: terms of what she's going through. Um, Jen had a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: scene where she's coming out with a line of fitness
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and And it is called Sexy Fitline.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: She's filming a workout video. And surprise, surprise, surprise. Gretchen
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: was there. I was shocked. Why? Because.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, Alexis, hello, darling. I mean, based on.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: This is so controversial, but I'll say it. based on
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite seasons of OC of all time,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: last season.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Last season was great to me. And I know people,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I know people are like, eh, whatever.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Last season, me and Alexis literally would like scream every episode.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I digress. Whatever, leave me alone. So I thought based
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: on last season that that was the end of Gretchen.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So to see her pop up, I was surprised.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Well, notice they didn't invite her to any of the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: all cast.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: They didn't invite her to any others. They let her,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: they let her slip into a workout video with Jen,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: but you know, I don't know. I mean, I thought
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I was, I wasn't surprised at all. I kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: thought it fit and it was, it was good, you know?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: And I love the name sexy fit, by the way,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I think Jen came up with, you know how she's saying,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: they're going, I need to find something that works for me.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I was just like, go girl. Like that is the
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: one thing you have to figure out where to take this,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: this opportunity while you have it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Like we all know it's fleeting and it can go
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: great one year and then be gone the next.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So it's Carlos.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited for us to, at the end of
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: this podcast, maybe we should wait until the reunion airs.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Do our little, our thing we do every, every season
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: about who's going and who's staying and see if we're right.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe we wait until after the reunion for that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: No, we can't.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: We can't. I'll give you a little taste of it
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: based on the ending of the scene. Cause I'm still. Okay.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Well, let's, yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I was a prodigy, Gretchen. I agree with you.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Jen, if you ever wanted my advice, not that you're
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: asking for it, right? You will make a shitload of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: money with this fitness line because that's you. That's her.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: She has a great body. She's known for her workouts.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of women, because I go to the gym,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: as you know, every day. And when I say to you, Alexis,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the sort of apparel that women are wearing now at
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the gym, it's sexier than ever. It is very unique.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm always like impressed with like the style of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: how these women are dressing, going to the gym, wearing
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: athletic wear. So I think Jen is on something. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: think this is something that is sustainable. And if I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: were you, Jen, this could be your she buy charade.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: This could be a line. If you're smart and you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: really want to make money outside of your Bravo check,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I would have your sexy-ass man, Ryan... And you take
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: this to the next level doing like fitness conventions. Do
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I think this was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a genius idea. Genius.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: The first and best thing they could do, though, which
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: it requires money and it requires like really believing yourself, though,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: is to drop it on a brand company and ask
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: them a branding company and ask them, how do we
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: brand this? And what is our logo and where do
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: we take it to the next level? Like you, it
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: really does benefit people. to invest that money to get
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: people who do this for a living with many different
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: companies to get behind you and say, here's what you
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: should do. Follow these rules. And here we go. You
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: have to really believe that because it's a lot of
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: money you drop. And as we all know, starting any
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: business requires a lot of upfront.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: And I believe in her and I think she could
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: do it. I agree with you. I think it's her.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I think she found her thing.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And Jan, I would wear this line every time
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm filming. Every scene.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Of course, not a dinner scene.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: That would get so annoying, though, to be in workout
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: clothes every scene.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: No!
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying we're to the quiet woman.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Well, you said every scene. That's every scene.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I mean, like when you're like, Hey,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I got to talk shit about, you know, Gina.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: The home scenes when you're with your kids or when
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: you're with one other housewife or you're, when you're going
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: out to coffee or when you're cleaning your house and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: they're getting you clean your house. Like you're yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: All the other scenes that aren't like with when you're
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: out at a nice restaurant.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And then on top of that, again, I'm giving
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you free advice. Take a gin. And Raindrops, tag Jen
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to tell her. Carlos can give you some great advice.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Listen to it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: And Alexis, hello.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tag her on me too.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: By the way, funny story. One of my houses that
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I was looking to... Oh, never mind. I'm not talking
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: about that. Never mind.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. I know.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I thought we weren't talking
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Okay. Moving forward. I was like, we don't look like Alexis.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, we were like having a private conversation.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I forgot there was just too many listeners in on this.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Here we go. So, Rae Drops.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Never mind.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Action.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And say to her, Carlos and Alexis, because, you know, listen.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You don't know this, and it's fine. You know the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: OC Housewives, they begrudgingly are like, what the fuck are
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: these two saying about this episode? You know that, right? So,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: tell Jen to listen to this episode because Alexis and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I are giving her good advice. My last advice would
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: be this, Jen. Every time you wear the outfit on
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: camera and they air it, Post that scene on your
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Instagram page and tell people where to buy it from.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Wow. All great advice. And let's keep in mind that
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: we do like her and we do talk well about
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: her on these episodes. I like her. When they do
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: DM her about this, the raindrops do DM her, then
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: we can also let her know that if this is
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the only episode she listens to, we do talk highly
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: about you, Jen.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: We talk highly about everybody.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Well, highly in different versions of people, I guess. Different
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: versions of highly, I mean. Different versions of highly about people. Okay.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Alexis.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Highly good or highly bad? Which highly are we talking about?
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Because if it involves someone with an HD screen on
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: their TV, then we know what Carlos is.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Don't do it. Not Alexis.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: This is a Carlos. Oh, please, Alexis. You have your moments.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I will say.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, I have my moments.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: And I got it all out there. And I think...
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: John really got it all out there.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: We are highly critical, but also highly complimentary. Okay.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Okay. Moving on. Speaking of highly critical. Oh, geez.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Are we at the final episode? Are we at the
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: final scene? I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm like.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Stop.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Tamara is meeting with Vicky. So she's with Vicky and
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the girls. Tamara wants to make sure that her and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Vicky are good. And Tamara's like, look, we had our moment.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: You apologize. I appreciate it. I would like for you
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to know that I said something in my anger based
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: on what Emily told me you.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Said about me and Sidney.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I did say, hey, why is she worried about me
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and Sydney when her and Brianna are speaking? And Vicky's like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that's not true. That's not true. Who told you that?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: That's not true.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: What?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: She has four kids.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: We're good. We are good. We're not doing this. Why
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: are you doing this? What are we doing? So Vicky's like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: let's just, Vicky's like, I will do whatever it takes
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to not address this. whatever could be happening between me
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and my daughter, she created a whole deflection of like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: let's dance. Let's party. Let me see you laugh. Let
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: me do all these things to sort of like detract
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: from the conversation. And I thought that was hilarious. I'm
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: going to give it to Vicky. I actually laughed when
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: she was doing that. But I will say this. I
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: appreciate Tamra for saying, I will let you know on
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: camera what I said when you weren't there. Versus someone
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: else telling you, because we know how this show works,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Game of Telephone. And without you seeing it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: On air.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: So, kudos to Tamara for that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but again, okay, I will too. But to.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: To parlay on that because this is what I keep
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: saying every time you give kudos to this. It's not
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of kudos when they know they're going to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: get busted because if she doesn't, if Tamara doesn't bring
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: it up to Vicky right now, then by the reunion,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Vicky's going to have seen it and then it's going
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to be a big blow up at the reunion. So
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like when you slip up and all
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: of us do, if there's any housewife on any of
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the franchises in this sorority of housewives, if any of
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: them say, I've never said anything I regret on camera, okay,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: you are lying from the pit of hell and you
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: are also going to hell because you're lying. But, But
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you do slip up, you do have
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: to own it. You have to go and own it
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: because it's on camera, you know, and just say you're sorry.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And I'm glad that they did.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I liked it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: They tried to kiss at the end. I love seeing
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: a tipsy Heather. I thought that was just fun and
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: funny and hilarious. And like, I agree with Tamara. I
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: want more of a smashy pants than a, what would
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: she call her? Smashy pants and fancy pants or like
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: tipsy pants and whatever she called it. But I was like, yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I love it. So I don't know. I mean, I mean,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: but here's the deal. If you're coming at me with
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: my kid about my kid, like in Tamara's defense, if
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: you're coming at me with my kid, then all bets
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: are off and you better watch out. Like, it's like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: that is where it's below the belt. And I think
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: that's where Tamara finally got like just overwhelmed with emotion.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And she didn't actually have a knee jerk reaction, like
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: throwing a napkin in a face. She just accidentally slipped
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: up and said, well, let's ask her if Brianna and
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: her talking, you know, I think she did fine.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: But here's the deal, though. What you and I both
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: have seen this season is, yes, you would want someone
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge that I said on camera, let me get
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in front of it, but they don't do that, right?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: They don't do it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're saying some women don't on this season, right?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: They just don't. Unless they're called to the carpet for it,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: they just don't even address it. So that's why I
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: appreciated her at least for being smart enough to say, Fuck,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: let me get in front of it. Because I do
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: think she wanted to let Vicky know, I did say
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this behind her back. And before, look, before Emily, the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: bone collector, tells you it makes it bigger than what
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: it is, I will tell you first. Because even when
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Heather apologized to Carmella, it's because, to your point, Heather
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: found out on camera that they're talking about it. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: she's like, well, fuck. Now I gotta like apologize to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: this woman. Versus saying, hey, before anyone tells you this,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I did say this about you off camera.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: That's totally different. You're right. It's a different setup. Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: The moment y'all be waiting for.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Please tell me.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Because we don't agree on the end. I guess because
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I don't even have, I don't have any of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: feelings that you're about to share. Okay.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I need a new cast.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. You're, what?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying everybody needs to be new. Let me
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: talk about it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Every season, they need to switch it up a little.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: They need more than three people gone. So let me
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: talk about it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, please.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So apparently, Alexis, out of nowhere, out of the blue sky,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: out of thin air, Jennifer feels... Jennifer... May I remind you,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I complimented you before this statement. So, hey, leave me alone. Okay.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I love you, though. Now Jennifer is questioning whether or
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: not Tamara really wants to be her friend. And if
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: she's asked, I can't even get it out. I'm so, like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: annoyed by this. She's wondering if Tamara's being nice to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: her and asking her to take pictures because she wants
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: to get Heather jealous.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, now I did agree that was dorky. I don't
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: understand why anyone would think that on the entire cast,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: but the whole cast jumped on board with it. But
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I don't agree.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Because it's what you and I both said earlier, and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: this scene made me realize, I said, you know what?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: We need fresh story. That's why I would give it
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to Carmella.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: You mean to tell me that this is the preseason finale.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And the drama that I have to expect.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Is you guys wondering if the reason why Tamara is
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: nice to Jen is to make Heather jealous. I'm like,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: am I watching Saved by the Bell? Am I watching
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek? Am I watching my so-called life? Am I
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: watching a show based on high school kids who are
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: worried about a friendship that is only valuable to make
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the next person jealous? I can tell you why Tamra's
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: being nice to you, Jen, if you want to talk
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: about it. It's because she's being told, we don't want
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Bill and Tamra this season. Can you get along with everybody?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: She's trying to get along with you because she has
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: a mandate to be nice. Which is why she told
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Bryce Sanders of Entertainment Tonight how one of you guys,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: or more than one of you guys, actually said to her,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: when are you going to do your thing? And she's like,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You know that thing you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: do that gets everyone activated.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: It's called being real. It's called not being muzzled.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So the one season where she's like, hey,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I'm taking a backseat to this shit. Let me get
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: along with everybody.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Now they want the other Tamara.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: When I say to you, it infuriated me because I
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck do y'all want?
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Right. Pick a lane and go. Here's another one. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: am frustrated with you now too. Thank you very much
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: for getting my blood pressure high. Now I need my blood, honey,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: bring my blood pressure cuff. Anyway, no, I'm kidding. But anyway,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: he's not even here. So I was joking. That was
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: all acting, but this is, this is something I want
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: you to think about. Okay.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Okay. I feel like this season, Whether it was, whether
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: what I'm about to say is producers putting this in
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: them a little bit and saying, this is kind of
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: what we want for season 20, whether it's that the
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: women are just having a little bit of PTSD from
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: all the other seasons, or whether it's just, they're more
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: interested in being, well, this is what it's about. Are
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: they more interested in just being friends and creating a
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: TV show? So that's what I feel like. They're more
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: interested in just, let's have a real friendship and not
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: worry about the show second, because It's like they're all
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: they're all acting like their best friends when we really
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: know deep down they probably aren't. But they're not if
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: they're not bringing the activated Real Housewives of Orange County
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: that we like to see. So is that that the
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: producers you would know more about this than me? Is
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: that they're getting a little bit of a, you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: little bit from the higher ups saying, let's keep it
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: a calm season? Is it that they truly just want
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: to be friends? Or is it that they have PTSD
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: in their overall the stupid napkin throwing kind of drama?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: A little bit of all of that, right? I definitely think, listen,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious that last season was in a lot
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of people's mind. I just got a fourth one.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I've got to hear this because this goes in your
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: brain because you're going to give us, you have more
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: knowledge on this. Or is it that the higher ups
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: are doing this because they want to keep it kumbaya
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: so there's no cliffhangers because they are going to recast,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: like you were saying, they need to get rid of
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: three or four. Maybe that's it, Carlos. Maybe that's it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Okay. This is what I think. I think based on
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the perception that last season was dark, this had to
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: be a lighter season, especially because it's celebrating 20 years
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: of this season, right? So to me, it's an obvious
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: sort of like paintbrush, right? In terms of lighter, more fun,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Vicky's back, let's get back to whatever. And I think
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of them took that maybe a little bit
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: too far, right? I think Tamara, rightfully so, said, fine,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. Like, no one appreciates me giving y'all
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: good television. So, okay, let's see these other women do it, right?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And they failed miserably, the other women who can't hold
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: a candle to Tamra Judge. With that being said, I.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Don't think that this was a.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Thing to make a cliffhanger where we don't know what's
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: going to happen next season with the cast. I think
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: every season you go in making the strongest cast you
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: can so you don't have to cast three more people.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: So I don't think that. I think what's happening is this.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I think these women don't know how to be friends
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: but also call each other out and remain friends after
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: doing so.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Where Tamara does. Tamara can do it. Tamara can be like, Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: We're here for a show.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And when I look back on the legacy of
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: this show, when you were on it, do you know
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, we've seen you guys go through
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: some shit.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And we've seen you guys work your way back, but
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: then call each other out. And one thing I will always,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I will always, always, always say this. When Alex Baskin,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the EP of the show, was on Kay Casey's podcast,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: because his company produces Beverly Hills and OC. And this
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: will always remain in my memory when I talk about
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: those two shows. He said the Beverly Hills women is a...
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing. I'm paraphrasing. But he said that the Beverly
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Hills women, that producers struggle to get them to call
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: each other out. Like, it's a lot of work to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: do it because that's not what they do. He said,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: but OC!
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Oh!
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: He said, oh, see? And this was back in 2018.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: So eight years ago he said this. He said, but oh, see?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's not ever a problem with those ladies calling
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: each other out. And I think what has happened with
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: this current cast, I think they are playing the game
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: of telephone because they don't have what it takes to
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: have real conversations in front of each other's faces. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I think that will be the reason why we may
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: see some changes. I'm hoping we see some. I don't
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: think it needs to be like a big overhaul, but
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I definitely think we need some new blood here, babe.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: And tell us, because I was going to say let's
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: wait until after the reunion, but now we're only three
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: episodes away from the end of the reunion, so we
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: can do it again at the end of the reunion.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: But tell me who... After this, because you had such
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a strong feeling at the end of this episode, tell
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: me who you think needs to go and who should stay.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I think Shannon needs to be a friend. You know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Shannon doesn't have a personal story.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: You don't think gone all the way you think she
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: should stay a friend of?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: If I had it my way, she'll be gone. But
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I'm also being realistic. I don't think they'll fire her.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: So whatever. And I'm not promoting someone should get fired.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But actually, take it how you want. I'm here to
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: talk about what I think about what the show needs.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I think Shannon's schtick, I'm over it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Shannon has had a great personal
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: story since she divorced David. Even when she was dealing with... Okay,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: let me stop myself because I'm wrong. The last interesting
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: personal storyline Shannon had was when you came on that
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: season and And it was about the whole situation with
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: your now husband. Like that to me was, and I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: not saying this because we're friends. You know how I feel.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: That season was fucking stellar.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Stellar.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: At my expense.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: At your expense, unfortunately, my love. It was a great season.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: If you had really shown the truth, then it would have,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: it would have been, it would have, you know, been
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: a little, go ahead.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It was a great season. Um, I just think Shannon
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any personal story to talk about. I think
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: she should be demoted. Heather doesn't live in... Heather does
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: not live in OC. Why is she there?
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: But again, I understand.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: She lived here for a lot of years. And by
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: the way, don't you think they need her? Don't they need.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that. She brings the wealth.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: She brings some.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I get it. I get it. I get it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Unpopular opinion.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I love Gina and I love Emily.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I like them.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think they should stay now? Because at the
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: beginning of the season, you said they should go. I
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: didn't say they should go. It was last season we
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: did these episodes.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I said split them up.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I said split them up. I will say this. I'm sorry, guys.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Emily is giving us some great personal story. I'm invested
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: in her and Shane's marriage. I want to see what happens.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you something about that before we get
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: to who else you think need to move on? Why
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: do her and Shane always only film their scene in
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: their kitchen and neither of them are eating? Do they
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: not have any other room in the house like that
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: they could? Are they? go to the living room, go
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: have a cup of tea, go take a stroll, go
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: sit in the backyard. I'm like, why is it ever,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: or maybe it's just the way it works, but I'm
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: like production. I am so sick of seeing their kitchen
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: or throw some crackers out on the counter so that
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: we're looking at crackers or something.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but okay.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: So go ahead. You were saying about their marriage. You're
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: invested in that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. I like Emily.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I like Emily Gina and I'm not apologizing for it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Emily Gina stays. Okay. Tamara stays.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Carmella stays. Okay.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Jen stays.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's five women. Shannon Shannon Shannon demoted.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Vicky thank you for 20 of seasons. Vicky's not into the... Sorry, listen.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I personally don't have an issue with Vicky. Vicky doesn't
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: like filming this particular show anymore, and let's put her
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: out of her misery. Okay, is that all? She doesn't
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: like the show, the job anymore.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. Okay.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Is that all the girls?
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Have you done all of them? That would mean, okay.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to Vicky. I want to
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: go back to Vicky. Go ahead.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Heather. Okay. As of now, the ones who I believe
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: should stay is Emily, Gina, Tamara, Carmela, Jen. That's one, two, three, four, five.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: That's five housewives. Heather can stay. So that's six. Heather,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: leave me alone. You can stay. Six housewives. Give me
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: two more women.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: He threw you a bone.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: He threw you a bone.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills has eight.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills has eight women. They got Lee Remini and
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Tracy Tudor to give us eight Beverly Hills girlies. Okay. Okay,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: So going, okay, by the way, I was like, okay, Heather,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Carlos just gave you a prop, props right there. So
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: he doesn't always, he gives props where props are due. Okay.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not even going to comment until after the reunion
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: on if I think you're right.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, you are so shady. Why are you going to
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: have me?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Alexis, you are so shady.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: How are you going to have me do it and
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: not you do it?
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Okay. I'll just say.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: You can go.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Actually, if you want, it's actually interesting. You can wait
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: until after the reunion.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Why don't I write it down on a piece of
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: paper right now? And then we'll see who's, and I
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: won't even tell you what I think. And then we'll
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: see if I agree with it or not after the reunion. Okay,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: let me write it down real quick.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I love a cliffhanger.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm writing it on Kenneth College when I was
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: doing some things. I'm writing on the back of the
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: envelope so everyone knows when I turn this over tomorrow
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: or next week or at the end in three weeks. Okay,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna write down who stays and who goes. Okay,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Okay. Okay. And then I want to
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: go about Vicky real quick. I want to talk, I
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: can talk about her while I, um, okay. So I
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: just did it. I will, I will let you guys
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: see this next week. Um, or no three weeks from now,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: but I, for Vicky, for me, I feel like you
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: had Andy Cohen on all the, by the way, raindrops
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: go back and listen to him and Andy Cohen. Cause
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I liked the insight Andy gave about Vicky. I loved
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: the part where Vicky, Andy did not throw her under
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: the bus, did not say, yeah, she's being negative, didn't
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: buy into everything that he's hearing behind the scenes from everyone, right,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: on all the, you know, Instagram and just all the
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: ratings of what people are saying about her. I agree
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: with him. He said, look, if we would have had
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: them not film back-to-back, because she said they started filming
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: three weeks after, and I've said this all along, Carlos.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: I said she bit off more than she could chew.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: It's a lot to go back and film one full-time
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: reality show, let alone do a girls' trip, which is
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: a freaking– They are moving and shakalacking and going from
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: A to B to Z. And you don't get a
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: moment off that entire 14 days or however many they went.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: So then she comes back from that. She doesn't even
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: get a breath. And then she's filming a full-time reality
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: show again. So I just, I agree with him that
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: it's like, look, I think the audience would have a
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: different feel about her if we would have split it up.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm going to say. And I'm going
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: to defend Vicky and I'm going to just give you
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: a little, my two cents and I don't care if
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: it's popular or not. And I'm the only thing I'm
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: going to say about my poll that we're going to
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: do after the reunion, is I think Vicky should stay.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I love her. She brings something different to the show.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this because she's my friend, because
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: I've cracked on them all before, even if they are
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: my friend. But there's something about watching her, even when
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: she's being negative Nancy a little bit in certain scenes
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: or wants to get her laptop out. There's just something
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I like to watch.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: She's, no, listen, she's interesting, right? The issue is this
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Number one, if you guys haven't listened or watched my
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Andy Cohen interview, please do so. Thank you. Thank you,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: my love. I agree with you that she's interesting to watch.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: And I agree with you. I will go as far
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: as saying this. Without Vicky this season, holy fuck.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: You said that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: You said that before.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: So then why do you want to see her go?
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Because I'm going to tell you why. I can't muster
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: another season of this. I just think this. She doesn't want... Listen,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you know this too. She doesn't want to fight.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: She doesn't. And guess what?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: She's earned the right to feel that way. I don't... Listen,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody should stay on a show or
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: any job without doing your best. I think 20 years later...
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: It's not the show anymore that she wants love. And
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I think the only reason why she would stay is
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: for the ego of having an orange. I do find
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: her interesting. But she's always going to put her laptop out.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: She's always going to say, I don't want to talk
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: about this shit, guys. Why are you guys bringing this
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: up to me? I don't know. I want somebody to
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: go toe-to-toe with Tamra. My favorite season two... was when Jen,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and this was a fucking fact in this episode, honey,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: and I even told Tamra, I said, Tamra, I love you.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Jen got you together, bitch. Jen was good. When Jen
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: stormed in that hotel room and said, bitch, don't talk
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: about me, my fucking man. You're talking about Ryan.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: No, you're, she goes, where'd they flash back to that? You're,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: you're doing a background check on Ryan. Like that was, yeah, yeah. Yes.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: And Tamra was like, bring it, bitch. I want somebody that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: That was authentic, though. That's what you're missing.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: It's not taking- That's my point.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: It's authentic- That's my point.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Real moments. Yeah. Okay. Vicky is not going to give
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: us an authentic, real moment with a sparring. She's not
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: doing it, Alexis. I know.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: You're right. Okay, so I see. I will tell you
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: when you're right, but there's still enough of her quirkiness
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: and her authenticity of just being who Vicky is that
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: to me- Doesn't matter. She can, she can.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Give me the OC Rachel Zeldin, honey.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: That's cheaper. I'm sorry. I'm not giving you a passing
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: grade for doing the bare minimum. No, no, no.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Cass, Cass, Cass, I forgot her name.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Shit. Give me a second. She was on the show
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: selling the OC. She was the star of the show.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Her name starts with an A. Alex Hall. Oh, okay.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay. Keep going.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: No, but go ahead. Alex Hall is this gorgeous blonde woman.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: She was the star of the show. She has so
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: much teeth. She's a boss. She's professional. She's young. And
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: she tells it like it is. Carlos King is advocating
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: for the Real Housewives of Orange County to cast Alex
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Hall from Selling the OC. She belongs on that show.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: She is gorgeous, funny, witty, and she means business. And
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I will go as far as saying this. She to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: me is the daughter of Tamara Judge as a reality
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: TV star. Alex Hall has it, bitch.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I just Googled her. Yeah, because I had to. Beautiful, right? Yeah,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: beautiful and looks like from here she has charisma, has
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: a style. Love it. would she want to number one
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: and number two, I was okay.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Well, that was fast.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I will fall out of my chair. If next season
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: we're here and she's on the cast, I'm going to
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: be like, God, Carlos, they do listen to our podcast.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Alex and Andy, Alex Cohen, or Alex, Alex, Alex Cohen,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: do listen to you on this. Wow. I'm just going
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: to die. Okay.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what this show needs. And the
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: thing about it is this. I always feel this way.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like each franchise, the city should represent... I'm sorry.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: The cast should represent the city. And the reason why
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the thing with Heather on 50-50, it's like you don't
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: even live there anymore.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I can't get past that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I get it. You're part of the legacy, sure. Sure.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: But you don't even live there. So like, I don't know. Whatever.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: My point is Alex Hall lives there and she looks
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: like an OC housewife to me. Yeah.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: And she's not bright blonde like a lot of them.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: So it kind of gives a little bit of a
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: different dynamic depth to it. So let me ask you this.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Do you think there's any way that they're getting ready
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: to put a pause on OC?
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Not pause. No. No? <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I think casting.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I think casting. And I will say this. If it
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't for.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Them casting Leah Remini and Tracy Tudor, who I love,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I love both of those ladies, and I cannot wait
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: for Beverly Hills.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: You cannot wait.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Cannot wait. If it wasn't for them casting that, I
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: would have suggested to have it go to Beverly Hills.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: But I heard somewhere in the grapevine that That they
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: would never do that because of the fact that Heather
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: is so needed on this cast to bring that flair
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: that OC needs.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And that's why I think she stays begrudgingly.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I don't, don't, listen, we can talk about this next week.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Don't get me started on whether or not Heather enjoys
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: filming this show. Okay.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Well, let's wait and see what next.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: If you guys believe for one second, Heather gets excited
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to drive down. I'm sorry to be driven down to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: the OC to film with these ladies. If you think
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: for one second, she enjoys that Santa Claus is coming
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to your chimney, December 25th, please.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Well, he's coming to mind then because I don't agree
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: You think she enjoys it?
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: I think she, I think with the amount of TikToks
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: and all the, how much she gets in front of
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: the phone and does all the things off camera and
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: has all this free time on her hands for that. I,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: I think she likes to be in front of the camera,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: no matter where she has to drive. I think she would,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of the women would, I think
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: she'd drive to fricking Tennessee every week if she had to,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: to be on. I don't know. So I don't agree
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: with you. I think I don't think she minds it
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: at all. She sits in the back of her car
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: and she gets work done and creates TikTok ideas and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: makes notes about that. And she does, you know, gets
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: to back home and does her five to get new material. Yeah,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: that's I mean, I don't think she minds.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: It at all. It's not funny. I'm serious. Well, I'm not.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm serious. I don't think she minds it.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with me?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: It could be very shady, but you want to. It's
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: not shady.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: A lot of people love doing the Instagram reels and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: all those, or not the reels, like likes to do
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of the, a lot of people like that.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not throwing shade. I'm just saying. If you think
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: about it, she's back there probably making notes and saying
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: what she wants to do for her next six or
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: seven funny things and and comedy couple couples comedy or whatever.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: It's not a big deal. I love it. Half of
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: them I laugh at, too. I just don't have enough
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: hours in the day for that. I don't know. And
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not even a housewife right now. I don't even
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: have a full time housewife job. I don't have enough
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: hours in the day to do that. So she loves it.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: So I think she's back there using her time wisely
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: and coming down to film some scenes. I think, I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: don't think she minds it. Now, when you hear it
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: like that, do you think she really minds it?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I think you are hysterical.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: So you don't agree with me.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: You are, first of all, you don't agree with me.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Your shade is good.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: It's not shade, Carlos.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, fine.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Emily loved doing it too. There's people that love doing it.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Tamara and I will do one here and there and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Tamara will do one when somebody else comes up with
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: the idea and.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Is like, hey guys, let's do this.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Let's do this. Let's do this, whatever it's called, whatever
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: they call them. And then we're like, oh, okay, put
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: the music on. We'll do it. But it's not something
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: I sit around and make a moment to figure out
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: what I'm going to do for that week and then
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: go do seven wardrobe changes to complete them all. But
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with it. It's not shade. It's people's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: desires and what they like to do. And it's fine.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with it. That's what I'm saying. I
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: just don't think she minds it. And she's an empty
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: nester almost now. So it's like, You do have more
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: time on your hands. Maybe I'm going to get into
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: that when all my kids are gone. Okay.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Okay. You are so, see, you like to find negative
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: when there's not negative.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I am not. All I'm doing is saying.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: There was no shade being thrown. It's just my opinion.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: And as in the words of Tamara, it's my opinion.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: She likes it. She's fine. As long as she's on
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: one of the shows, I think she's fine.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: So raindrops.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Do me a favor.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: It's not. Let us know in the comments how you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: guys feel about Alexis' declaration.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Well, also, do they agree? I mean, do they think she.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Do y'all agree? Or was that shade? No, no, no, no.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: That's not the question, Raindrops. I'm saying this question this
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: season or this podcast. Do you think that Heather enjoys...
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: We'll do an Andy Cohen Watch What Happens Live poll.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Does Heather enjoy... the drive, staying on this cast in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Orange County, or is she what Carlos says, and she's miserable,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: and she'd rather be on Beverly Hills?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, good question. Raindrops add in there if you think
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Alexis was throwing shade.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Alexis.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I was not.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Next week is our finale of OC.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: I can't believe it. Now, right when we're wanting to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: watch more, it's like, before we were like, shh. Now
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: we're like, I don't want it to be the finale, but.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I know, but the good news is this. We get to,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: so what this also means too is this. Next week,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: we'll get the trailer for the reunion. Oh. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Have you heard anything?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: No. Huh. Have you?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: I plead the fifth. Oh, okay.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. In your opinion, Tamara Judge voice, on a scale
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: of one to 10.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: What do you mean in Tamara Judge voice? I don't
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: That's my opinion. So that's a Tamara Judge voice. It's
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: my opinion.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: In your opinion, from what you heard from the grapevine.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: And this comes from someone that no one would even
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: think has told me this information, but I have heard
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: that it probably was a little- I don't know.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Let's watch the trailer. Maybe it could have had a
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: little more pizzazz. Okay. Okay.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: That's fair. And, Raindrop, we will recap the trailer next
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: week along with the finale of OC.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: And the poll. We're going to start with the poll.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: And please, Spotify comments, tweet up.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: I think more people are going to agree with me
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: than you think. I think more people are going to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: be like, no, Heather's fine and loves it.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: You have lost every poll this season.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: Well, that means my chances of winning one are damn
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: good because not anyone can have 100%. I get that 1%.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: It's like dumb and dumber. You're saying I have a chance?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: I have a 1% chance, Carlos, and I'm hanging on
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: that 1%. And by God, I'm going to win one poll.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: One of these days. All right, all right, all right. Raindrops, raindrops.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Leave comments on my YouTube video, this episode. Leave comments.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: And Spotify, leave comments. And we will talk about who won.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Not who won. There's no losers.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about your thoughts.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: There you go. All right. Bye.
• 1:05:30
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• 1:05:31
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• 1:05:34
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• 1:05:37
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