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Full Show Podcast: 12 August 2025 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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Speaker 1: an earlier IS show with one roof love where you
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Speaker 1: live News Talks, it'd be.
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Speaker 2: Well, good morning to you and thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for choosing the program. So today in the next hour,
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Speaker 2: gas is at a crisis point, Shane Jones considering rationing supply.
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Speaker 2: Is there an easier answer to an ongoing problem? We'll
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Speaker 2: have that story for you in five Queens Sound tourism
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Speaker 2: is booming ahead of the rest of the country. So
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Speaker 2: what headaches is this causing? And we're too next for
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Speaker 2: the Adventure Capital, We're going to go to Australia where
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Speaker 2: our meet here has struck the state of Victoria. And
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Speaker 2: speaking of states, the government is to consider recognition of
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Speaker 2: the Palestine state. But is that as easy as it sounds?
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Speaker 2: That story just before six. We'll have these stories correspondens
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Speaker 2: from around the world and New Zealand and news as
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Speaker 2: the breaks you can have you say you can text
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Speaker 2: week ninety two ninety two or small charge applies. It
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Speaker 2: is seven minutes.
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Speaker 3: Out five.
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Speaker 4: The agenda.
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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, the twelfth of August. Donald Trump is sending
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Speaker 2: him the National Guard again, this time to Washington d C.
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Speaker 2: He's taking control of the city's police. This is part
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Speaker 2: of a crime and homelessness crackdown.
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Speaker 5: Our capital city has been overtaken by violent gangs and
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Speaker 5: bloodthirsty criminals, roving mobs of wild youth, drugged out maniacs,
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Speaker 5: and homeless people.
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Speaker 1: And we're not going to let it happen anymore. We're
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Speaker 1: not going to take it.
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Speaker 2: Mayor Muriel Bowsa says there's no crime way and offenses
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Speaker 2: had been falling since twenty twenty three, So what's it
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Speaker 2: all about. A violent crime, they say, is now at
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Speaker 2: a thirty year low, but there we go.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: Funerals have been held for five Al Jazeera journalists killed
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Speaker 2: in an Israeli strike on Gaza City.
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Speaker 7: Johnalis are considered civilians in any war setting and should
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Speaker 7: not be targeted, and to target them deliberately is a
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Speaker 7: war crime.
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Speaker 2: The just writing military say, is it targeted twenty eight
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Speaker 2: year old correspondent and that's al Sharif. They reckon he
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Speaker 2: led a Hamas terra cell, but so far that provided
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Speaker 2: little evidence to back them claim up.
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Speaker 7: Prior to the war, Anasa Shadif was working in the
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Speaker 7: Hamas media office, but that is all that we know
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Speaker 7: about him, and important to emphasize too that no evidence
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Speaker 7: has been given despite inquiries for the other journalists who
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Speaker 7: are with him. So this is an entire Al Jazeera
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Speaker 7: team who has now been eliminated from Gaza City.
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Speaker 2: And finally, an easy Jet pilot has been suspended after
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Speaker 2: a wild night at a luxury resort in cap Verde.
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Speaker 2: He was spotted wondering the hotel naked in the wee
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Speaker 2: hours after a long drinking session. He was dueified and
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Speaker 2: gat work thirty six hours later. Well, no, he didn't
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Speaker 2: do that. He was grounded after complaints from people in
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Speaker 2: the hotel, and he's been replaced. It's nine after five.
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Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
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Speaker 1: Dickens and One Root Love Where You Live News talks.
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Speaker 2: It'd be well, not a great pole for the government,
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Speaker 2: but to be feared, not a great pole for anyone.
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Speaker 2: The major parties are all mired in the thirties, the
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Speaker 2: miners are all flirting around the tens, and no leader
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Speaker 2: gets above twenty percent approval. Christopher Luxen's on twenty percent,
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Speaker 2: Christopher Hipkins on nineteen. The headline here is we don't
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Speaker 2: like our politicians, any of them measurable popularity is just
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Speaker 2: the baked on supporters who were vote blue or red
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Speaker 2: even if a goat was leaving their party. But that
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Speaker 2: didn't stop Mikey Schumann last night using hyperbolic language to
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Speaker 2: describe the situation. Words like plummet and soaring came out
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Speaker 2: of her mouth. That was in last night's analysis and
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Speaker 2: it's plenty not so has she not got the memo
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Speaker 2: about her excitable delivery. It's seen as either bias or
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Speaker 2: naive following a consultant's call to jus up the news.
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Speaker 2: But look, we're not happy with our government and we're
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Speaker 2: not happy with the last mob, and that's the opposition,
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Speaker 2: and none of the minor parties are taking their place,
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Speaker 2: no matter how many times Coley Swarbrick spooks her party's
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Speaker 2: chances of becoming the leader of any coalition in government
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Speaker 2: or opposition. All our politicians are stuck in the mud
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Speaker 2: of our economic malaise and none are offering solutions. It's
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Speaker 2: the economy, stupid. Labour is deliberately withholding policy for the
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Speaker 2: election year, so there's no hope there. And National has
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Speaker 2: done the first steps of writing the ship with their
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Speaker 2: form of austerity. But the country is thirsty for the
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Speaker 2: next step, and I reckon that next step is fixing Auckland.
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Speaker 2: Simon Bridges from the Auckland Chamber made that call on
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Liam Dan said the same thing. The economy
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Speaker 2: outside our biggest city is getting back to its feet.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to the Queen sale Mayer in
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Speaker 2: a moment, but Auckland is lagging. And Auckland is where
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Speaker 2: a third of our people also known as the voters, live,
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Speaker 2: so it's still quite important. A number of National Party
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Speaker 2: members I've talked too lately who attended the recent conference
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Speaker 2: said that at that conference there were all sorts of
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Speaker 2: mutterings about what to do next, and they speak a
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Speaker 2: word that's loaded with gravity. They speak the word pump priming.
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Speaker 2: They're talking loosening the government's purse strings to give Auckland
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Speaker 2: a nudge forward. They know that government spending makes up
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Speaker 2: forty percent of this economy. Overspending overinflates the economy, as
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Speaker 2: we've learnt only too well, but underspending collapses it, which
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Speaker 2: is what we're going through right now. And a few
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Speaker 2: policies that might see government cash flowing into the Aucland
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Speaker 2: economy would do us all a favor, might get some
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Speaker 2: builders back on the tools, money in their pockets, and
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Speaker 2: maybe we might see some light at the end of
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Speaker 2: the tunnel, and maybe we might get some votes for
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Speaker 2: some politicians. It's twelve after five zedby, So there's a
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Speaker 2: gas crisis. We know this. It's been bringing up for
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Speaker 2: a while and we've known this as well. But now
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Speaker 2: now we've got the Minister Shane Jones starting to talk
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Speaker 2: about rationing of gas. So how does the business feel
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Speaker 2: about that and is there an easy solution to this.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk in a few moments time to
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Speaker 2: Lehn Hower's lehn is the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson
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Speaker 2: and he's facing a crisis. He's next on new stalk ZENB.
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Speaker 1: Views and Views You Trust to start your day. It's
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Speaker 1: earlier this ship with Andrew Dickins and Love Where You
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Speaker 1: Live News Talks.
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Speaker 2: The'd be It's fourteen minutes after five. So there is
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Speaker 2: a core for the government to take immediate action and
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Speaker 2: the gas sector supplies reaching a crisis point. The Business
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Energy Council and Optimal Energy Management Solutions have
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Speaker 2: joined forces to urge Minister Shane Jones to save manufacturing jobs.
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Speaker 2: So to talk about this, I'm joined by Lenn Howards,
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Speaker 2: who's the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson. Good on it
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Speaker 2: to Elen, Yes, good morning, how are you.
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Speaker 3: I'm good.
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Speaker 2: This is a problem that's been brewing up for twenty
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Speaker 2: years and we've never done anything about it. So how
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Speaker 2: bad is it?
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Speaker 8: I think it's getting pretty bad. The property is in
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Speaker 8: the industrial secret at the moment where a lot of
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Speaker 8: these companies are coming up for new contract when you're
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Speaker 8: suddenly finding that the expectations for pricing is beyond their
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Speaker 8: means to actually pay for it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, we've been saying this for
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Speaker 2: twenty years. You know, we've got to find more gas.
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Speaker 2: We didn't have enough. We stopped looking for gas. Some
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Speaker 2: were saying we should have started the decarbonization process earlier.
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Speaker 9: Was that thinking, Well, I think basically the basic problem
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Speaker 9: was I think decarbonization is certainly at the root of this,
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Speaker 9: and in fact, you know that's made it the government
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Speaker 9: policy to effectively create an energy transition.
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Speaker 8: What the government then failed to do, I think is
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Speaker 8: actually provide a pathway that was sustainable and ordered to
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Speaker 8: get there, so that effectively left business to cope with
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Speaker 8: rising carbon.
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Speaker 4: Prices and.
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Speaker 8: Putting them on a path to transition without the technology
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Speaker 8: of the economics able there to support that transition to happen.
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Speaker 2: So now this is all landed on Shane Jones' desk,
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Speaker 2: and you were at the meeting with Shane Jones. What
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Speaker 2: did he say and did it alleviate any concerns you had?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 8: I think Shane Jones obviously is a champion I think
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Speaker 8: for industry in New Zealand, and he's going to try
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Speaker 8: and do what he can, but he's also going to
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Speaker 8: get a past his colleagues and so forth as well.
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Speaker 8: One of the ideas he had on the table I
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Speaker 8: think was too reserve gas industry rather than for electricity generation.
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Speaker 8: That's an idea that's being explored at the moment by
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Speaker 8: him and cabinet.
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Speaker 10: I take it.
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Speaker 2: And as the thought of rationing which has come out
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Speaker 2: of Shane's mouth, is that actually a good idea? Will
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Speaker 2: that only make the situation worse and be a tragedy
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Speaker 2: for our economy?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well that's the dynamic, isn't it. I Mean, in
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Speaker 8: the first place, if he does nothing, your risk of
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Speaker 8: the industrialization If you then decide instead to intervene and
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Speaker 8: effectively what it might be seen as work will be
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Speaker 8: competitive markets, yet accused of being heavy handed and stepping
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Speaker 8: in on property rights and so forth, which is not
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Speaker 8: going to do our international reputation that's good either. So
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Speaker 8: that's the dream I've got at the moment to try
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Speaker 8: and find some way to tread that thin line between
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Speaker 8: doing nothing and intervening in a way that's going to
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Speaker 8: be more destructive in the long way.
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Speaker 2: And there's no sign of any gas on the horizon.
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Speaker 2: So how many businesses are at risk of collapse due
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Speaker 2: to where we're.
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Speaker 8: At, It's difficult to say, you know, roughly, roughly about
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Speaker 8: I would say about five and a half thousand gas
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Speaker 8: connections that we'll be classed as large commercial or industrial.
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Speaker 8: Clearly a number of them have been successful in acquiring
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Speaker 8: gas at a price that at least they can carry
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Speaker 8: on with. But just based on the number in the
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Speaker 8: room on Friday, you have to say that the reasonable
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Speaker 8: percentage of firms are going to be struggling to get
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Speaker 8: past the next couple of years, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, lenin all the best going forward. Lehn Hower's is
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Speaker 2: from the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson, and it's a
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Speaker 2: big problem for everybody, and not good for the government
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Speaker 2: either in terms of wanting a good poll because they
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Speaker 2: want that economy to fly, but it doesn't fly when
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Speaker 2: you've not gas to fire it on. Hey, three hundred
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Speaker 2: semes and other businesses are going to struggle with supply
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Speaker 2: texts through that said, morning, Andrew, why don't you bring
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Speaker 2: the economic terrorist, Chloe Swarbrick onto your program to talk
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Speaker 2: about the gas crisis. The Greens and the labor need
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Speaker 2: to be held accountable for this and accountable to the businesses.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your text, Clive. The number is ninety
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Speaker 2: two ninety two, and a small, a small cost is
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Speaker 2: involved with doing that sort of text now just to hand.
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Speaker 2: By the way, US President Donald Trump has said he
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Speaker 2: wants to try and get some territory back for Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: He's meeting with Vladimir Putin on Friday, and he's come
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Speaker 2: out and said in the last of the while that
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Speaker 2: Russia's occupied a big portion of Ukraine, some prime territory.
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Speaker 2: We're going to try and get some of that territory
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Speaker 2: back for Ukraine. The talks are in Alaska, Alaska. It
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Speaker 2: will be a feel out meeting aimed at urging Putin
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Speaker 2: to end the war and there should be some swapping
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Speaker 2: and changes in land happens on Friday. We'll keep you
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Speaker 2: up today. This is News Talks. B Queenstown's on fire,
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Speaker 2: by the way, absolutely the rest of the country in
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Speaker 2: the Doldrons, but Queens not. But that causes its own problems.
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Speaker 2: We've got the mayor on next.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on earlier edition with one roof love.
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Speaker 4: Where you live news Talks, it'd.
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Speaker 2: Be well it's fire twenty one and yes we're in
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Speaker 2: bad economic times, well most of the country is, but
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Speaker 2: there's still one spot breaking in the cash that is Queenstown.
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Speaker 2: Their top spots are back in top form, with tourism
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Speaker 2: operators reporting strong numbers right across the board this winter season.
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Speaker 2: So I'm joined now by the Mayor of Queenstown, Glenn Lewis,
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Speaker 2: who should be a happy man.
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Speaker 3: Are you, Glenn?
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Speaker 6: Very happy? Injury yourself?
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Speaker 2: I'm very good. I'm very good. But yeah, Queenstown does
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Speaker 2: seem to be back on its feet. How come it's
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Speaker 2: excelling this winter season? Didn't do so last winter?
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Speaker 6: Oh look, I think we did pretty well last winter.
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Speaker 6: We I think Queenstown made a leap it to keep
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Speaker 6: itself known during the pandemic years and with their Trainstairsman cousins.
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Speaker 6: So I think we're starting to see the.
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Speaker 3: Reward for that.
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Speaker 2: All right, our tourists heading to New Zealand just for
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Speaker 2: your town or do you think that people come into
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Speaker 2: your town and then going other places, So there's a
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Speaker 2: trickle down.
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Speaker 6: I'm hoping they go to other places. But yeah, it
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Speaker 6: does seem we're rather strong. Our trans Tasman friends are
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Speaker 6: certainly coming over here, and the numbers I think the
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Speaker 6: latest step we got from the airport, we're up one
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Speaker 6: hundred and forty five percent on pre COVID numbers on
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Speaker 6: our trans Tessman route, So yeah, we're doing well.
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Speaker 2: Are these wealthy tourists? I mean, I know you've got
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Speaker 2: a one hundred and thirty million dollar hotel development, so yeah,
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Speaker 2: money is going in. I was just wondering whether you're
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Speaker 2: actually targeting the wealthy people or you'll take anybody.
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Speaker 6: Oh it was a range of visitors, but look, we
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Speaker 6: were there the better off people. But we need to
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Speaker 6: back backpackers as well. They may help with the seasonal work.
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Speaker 6: They usually pour the pints, as we usually say absolutely so.
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Speaker 2: Of course we've always talked about the fact that you
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Speaker 2: might be possibly over touristed, that your infrastructure is creaking
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Speaker 2: and struggling, so you're getting on top of that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's probably the challenge we do have, but big
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Speaker 6: opportunity as well. Infrastructure needs to happen at the same
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Speaker 6: time as growth and the tourism numbers. But we're also
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Speaker 6: a fast growing residential growth town as well, so we
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Speaker 6: get the double whammy. But we're going to keep on
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Speaker 6: top of the infrastructure.
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Speaker 2: Is the waste water debate all over and done with?
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Speaker 6: That's still trucking along. Let's say it's an environment court
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Speaker 6: coming up, so we'll see how that goes. Well.
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Speaker 2: Good luck and congratulations and have you a good winter season.
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Speaker 2: I'll be down there in about a month, Glynn and
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Speaker 2: I thank you. Glenn Lewis is the bearer of Queenstown
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Speaker 2: and please set its snow over the next month so
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Speaker 2: that there's some late snow for my spring skiing. It
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Speaker 2: is five twenty four. It's News Talks ZB. What are
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Speaker 2: we all talking about at the moment? The state of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: More on this in a moment.
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Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 4: How it by News Talks.
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Speaker 2: It be News Talks b it is five twenty six.
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Speaker 2: So the big question facing us today is where the
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Speaker 2: New Zealand should join other nations and recognizing a Palestinian state, now,
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Speaker 2: this is a much bigger question than it seems. For
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Speaker 2: some it's easy labor and the Greens do it reflexively
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Speaker 2: without thinking. I think, call the Palestinians a state. There
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Speaker 2: you go. You've got a legal foothold to fight for
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Speaker 2: some land. I guess is the way they're thinking. And
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Speaker 2: in a way, we've already done that by publicly calling
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Speaker 2: for a two state solution to the conflict in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. But it's easy to confuse nations and states,
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Speaker 2: and the definition of state has many layers. A state
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Speaker 2: is a political and legal entity with sovereignty over a
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Speaker 2: defined territory and a define population, and its focus is governance,
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Speaker 2: law and authority. And we know in the Palestinian case
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Speaker 2: many of those provisos are missing. Obviously there's no defined territory,
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Speaker 2: or maybe there was, but it's been pretty much destroyed.
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Speaker 2: There is no authority that is recognized by most, with
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Speaker 2: Hamas having lost the mandate in the eyes of many
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Speaker 2: countries after what they did that October and the Palestinian authority,
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Speaker 2: long Sen discredited.
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Speaker 3: A state can.
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Speaker 2: Easily be confused with a nation, which is a group
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Speaker 2: of people who share common cultural elements like language or ethnicity,
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Speaker 2: in history or traditions. So you can say Maori are
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Speaker 2: a nation of people with a New Zealand Palestinians can
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Speaker 2: be a nation. But that doesn't mean land, and that's
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Speaker 2: what you need to be a state, and that is
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Speaker 2: where the rubber really hits the road. It is hard
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Speaker 2: to recognize a Palestinian state when there is no land
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Speaker 2: for it to belong. In Declaring a Palestinian state right
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Speaker 2: now though, would therefore be a piece of global virtue,
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Speaker 2: signaling a stance with little or no practical application other
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Speaker 2: than political pressure on Israel. And so New Zealand and
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Speaker 2: its government has now been accused of kicking the can
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Speaker 2: down the road because it's going to consider its position
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Speaker 2: over the next month. And to be fair, we are
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Speaker 2: kicking the can down the road. But this is a
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Speaker 2: delicate move which, as I've said already, on the outside,
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Speaker 2: seems so easy to many, but it's still full of pitfalls,
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Speaker 2: and it's seems to be putting the horse before the
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Speaker 2: cart when we don't know where the state would be
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Speaker 2: in the world. And here's the big thing. Would declaring
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Speaker 2: a state actually put any food in Palestinian bellies?
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Speaker 4: News talksz'd be by.
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Speaker 2: Twenty nine after my initial comments, Andrew, well done for
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Speaker 2: calling out Mikey Sherman. She did the same on air
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Speaker 2: with her last poll. Another right, so this is Mark writes,
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Speaker 2: Mikey Sherman is a gutter trash reporter who should disappear
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Speaker 2: off to Hollywood where she should fit in. That's a
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Speaker 2: good point actually, because the reason Mikey and a lot
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Speaker 2: of our TV guys get so hyperblic or hyperbolic if
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Speaker 2: you prefer, is because they've been told by the consultants
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Speaker 2: jug up the news to give it some snap and bite,
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Speaker 2: and that means you ended up putting in words that
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Speaker 2: have that have excessive meaning. And then people start going,
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Speaker 2: she's biased, and maybe someone should tell Mikey that. Another
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Speaker 2: text through Andrew, How the hell do you spend when
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Speaker 2: the purse is empty? That is true, but at the
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Speaker 2: same time you've got to spend. What did the government fight?
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Speaker 2: The government fighting wasteful spending, not all spending. And the
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Speaker 2: criticism that came from Simon Bridges over the weekend and
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Speaker 2: also from Liam Dan and many other economists is that
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Speaker 2: we've cut all spending and that's why we were at
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Speaker 2: we're at these talks at me still to come, the
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Speaker 2: Palestinian Question out of Australia and from John Battersby from
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Speaker 2: Matty University.
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Speaker 4: I rely.
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Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth
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Speaker 2: at Radio Hoache, which is where I actually met him.
18:39
Speaker 2: He was recording engineer where we made the ads and
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Speaker 2: the promos and all that sort of stuff, and he
18:43
Speaker 2: was brilliant. He is a beautiful, gentle kind human. After
18:47
Speaker 2: that he went to Mainz which and he was there
18:49
Speaker 2: for twenty years. That's where he taught kids how to
18:52
Speaker 2: be studio engineers, and then he went down to parap
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Speaker 2: Ram and started his own little studio. He is the
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Speaker 2: loveliest man you would have ever met, honestly, and there's
19:02
Speaker 2: been multitudes of tributes to Paul. I see that. The
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Speaker 2: Exponents on their Facebook page say very sad to hear
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Speaker 2: of the parting of Paul Strixture. Paul engineered and co
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Speaker 2: produced our biggest single. Way does love do this to me?
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Speaker 2: A very cool, kind and gentleman. We send our condolences
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Speaker 2: to his family. Rip Mate hasn't been well covered in
19:21
Speaker 2: the mainstream media, but it has now. Paul, I Love
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Speaker 2: you goodbye. Twenty two to six news talk Zibby around
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Speaker 2: the country, we go and Indoneda, CA.
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Speaker 3: I'm Proctor.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, morning Andrew. So the influenza pandemic
19:36
Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighteen is getting a bit of a
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Speaker 2: study in Donedin.
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Speaker 12: Yeah it is, and this is a first of its
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Speaker 12: kind really, it's a digital analysis of what was this
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Speaker 12: a deadly flu pandemic in nineteen eighteen across New Zealand.
19:50
Speaker 12: It killed zero point eight percent of the population in
19:53
Speaker 12: just six weeks, so that would be the equivalent of
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Speaker 12: about forty thousand people today. Academics also from the UK
20:01
Speaker 12: and Germany will take part in this research. University professor
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Speaker 12: here Michael Baker says the project hopes to provide insights
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Speaker 12: into why this pandemic spreads so rapidly, especially given this
20:14
Speaker 12: happened during a time when there was no rapid transport
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Speaker 12: light today and people moved a lot slower by train
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Speaker 12: or ship. How's your weather. It's wet this morning here,
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Speaker 12: We've got showers they meant to ease this afternoon. Southerly
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Speaker 12: is easing as well. And nine the high.
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Speaker 2: And have you had your flu shot? I can't say
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Speaker 2: I have.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest.
20:34
Speaker 2: Good luck to you and I thank you. Claire Sure it,
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Speaker 2: joins us fro Christier Telly Claire, good morning, have you
20:39
Speaker 2: had your flu shot? I have indeed so christ Jur's
20:43
Speaker 2: new stadium. My goodness, the hype is building.
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Speaker 13: The hype is building and the exciting thing after yesterday's
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Speaker 13: announcement when we heard that the Crusaders would be part
20:52
Speaker 13: of the opening of the new stadium with this super
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Speaker 13: round on Anzac weekend, yesterday we also had confirmation that
20:59
Speaker 13: it actually will be a case of public before punters.
21:02
Speaker 13: So whilst that really exciting weekend of rugby will be
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Speaker 13: going forward, the six hundred and eighty three million dollar
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Speaker 13: venue will actually open first and foremost two members of
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Speaker 13: the public, so Venus Auto TAHI chief executive Caroline Harvey
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Speaker 13: Tier says they're hoping to have a community open day
21:17
Speaker 13: during the first week of the venue being opened in April.
21:20
Speaker 13: She says they want to have as many of Christchurch's
21:23
Speaker 13: residents through to have a look, have a sit on
21:25
Speaker 13: the seats, get all the photos because after all, the
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Speaker 13: christ Church locals are the ones who have waited almost
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Speaker 13: fifteen years for it.
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Speaker 2: I heard Jamia getting a bit bulshy about it all,
21:34
Speaker 2: saying the real National Stadium for New Zealand does not
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Speaker 2: eat in part, but takaha.
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Speaker 13: He did indeed and said that it will be the
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Speaker 13: envy of the nation.
21:42
Speaker 2: Okay, how's your weather?
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Speaker 13: Mostly cloudy, a few showers here today as well as
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Speaker 13: souther least and a high of ten.
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Speaker 2: Out of Wellington. We're joined by Lachlan Ready how a
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Speaker 2: lochlom Morning Andrew So, a Wellington public servant, want's Victoria
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Speaker 2: University to actually show the money before demolishing a derrelic
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Speaker 2: block of fats that they've owned for ages.
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Speaker 14: Yes. So. In June, Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced the
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Speaker 14: Gordon Wilson Flats on the Terrace will be stripped of
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Speaker 14: its heritage status and demolished. The university owns the flats
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Speaker 14: and plans to put in student accommodation blocks. However, Public
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Speaker 14: Service Manager Jane o' lachlan is challenging it to halt
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Speaker 14: the demolition until it publicly fronts with a plan in
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Speaker 14: the finances of a new project. She wants reassurance from
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Speaker 14: the community will get a replacement building that's actually better
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Speaker 14: than the status.
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Speaker 3: Quoe.
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Speaker 2: How's your weather?
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Speaker 14: It's cloudy periods with a few suspicious little clouds there
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Speaker 14: with some few showers, expectors and fresh chevalries today with
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Speaker 14: the high of nine degrees.
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Speaker 2: And I thank you for your time today. And we're
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Speaker 2: joined now by Neva read tomno out of book on
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Speaker 2: Helen Getings. Okay, we've got an Orcha Merril candidate getting abused.
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Speaker 11: Yes, now, this is Curent Leoni. Now she said she
22:45
Speaker 11: was abused by a member of the public. This is
22:47
Speaker 11: while she was putting up her signage and her campaign
22:49
Speaker 11: team had to report it to police. She says the
22:52
Speaker 11: abuse had been while she was putting up the holdings.
22:54
Speaker 11: This was in South Auckland. While not going into detail,
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Speaker 11: she says the incident was not racist. She sees Since then,
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Speaker 11: she's decided obviously not to advertise her candidacy on her vehicle.
23:06
Speaker 11: Now we know that, you know, Leone's decision follows that
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Speaker 11: of colleague. I think do you'll remember this, Andrew, that
23:11
Speaker 11: counselor Josephine Bartley who last week she did the same.
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Speaker 11: She stripped her signage off a vehicle. You know, she
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Speaker 11: said on Facebook. You know it sucks.
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Speaker 2: Safety first though, absolutely.
23:20
Speaker 11: How's the weather, Okay, mainly find apart from a morning
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Speaker 11: frost and sheltered places cool and Crisp fifteen is the
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Speaker 11: high here in Auckland.
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Speaker 2: So the big story today is a Palestinian question. Should
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Speaker 2: we as a state, as a nation, as a nation state,
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Speaker 2: indeed recognize a Palestinian state. We're going to talk about
23:38
Speaker 2: this in a few moments time with our Australian correspondent
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Speaker 2: because they've gone full more, they've jumped in both feet
23:44
Speaker 2: and we've also got an expert on this on international
23:48
Speaker 2: geopolitics just before the news at six. So your text,
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Speaker 2: Linda says no to a Palestinian state, it will not work.
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Speaker 2: New Zealand just following the un herd that hurts, not
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Speaker 2: very big, it's at this stage. But do we want
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Speaker 2: New Zealand to lead the way many do? Another asked
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Speaker 2: the question, is Winston Peter's the one in cabinet holding
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Speaker 2: up New Zealand's decision because he's the one who's always
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Speaker 2: on Donald Trump's side. Well, at the same time, Winston
24:14
Speaker 2: is the one who actually knows how to measure the
24:16
Speaker 2: weight of words in these sorts of international politics. And
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Speaker 2: so I would say he's cautious, and there's nothing wrong
24:23
Speaker 2: with an abundance of caution at the right time. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: more on this next with our Australian correspondent, and just
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Speaker 2: before six. It is seventeen to.
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Speaker 1: Six International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand business.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's now fourteen minutes to six. So the Palestinian question,
24:47
Speaker 2: I can tell you Australia has jumped in. They have
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Speaker 2: formally recognized Palestine.
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Speaker 5: A two stage solution is humanity's best hope to break
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Speaker 5: the cycle of violence in the Middle East and to
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Speaker 5: bring an end to the conflict, suffering and starvation in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a funny old clip bread because a two
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Speaker 2: state solution, I know it depends on it needs a state,
25:10
Speaker 2: but at the same time it's a subtle way of
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Speaker 2: saying they should be declared a state. So where are
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Speaker 2: we are in Australia and what's the reaction to that
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Speaker 2: so far. I'm joined now by our Australian correspondent, Leslie Yeoman,
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Speaker 2: So Leslie morning, Andrew.
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Speaker 14: Yes.
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Speaker 15: Well, to be honest, Labor has supported a two state
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Speaker 15: solution for some time, but now that it's in the
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Speaker 15: federal government, it hasn't really been eager to commit to
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Speaker 15: a timeline on that. Recognition, but Prime Minister Albanezi has
25:39
Speaker 15: now set that timeline and that's a first now following
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Speaker 15: talks with a number of countries, including New Zealand and Japan,
25:48
Speaker 15: the timeline will now see Australia MAKIX recognition formal at
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Speaker 15: the September meeting of the UN General Assembly in New York.
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Speaker 15: Now it comes after a number of things have happened,
25:59
Speaker 15: because people sort of saying well, why now, Well, it
26:02
Speaker 15: comes after France, the UK and Canada announced it they'd
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Speaker 15: also recognized Palestine. They announced that just a little while ago.
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Speaker 15: It also comes after some pretty large protests across the
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Speaker 15: country and the court of public opinion can have an
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Speaker 15: effect on some issues like this. The biggest of those
26:22
Speaker 15: protests was in Sydney last week where up to one
26:25
Speaker 15: hundred thousand people marched across the Harbor Bridge, and those
26:29
Speaker 15: protesters were urging the government to sanction Israel for its
26:32
Speaker 15: actions in Gaza, where are thousands of people have been
26:35
Speaker 15: killed and people there are still starving. So there are
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Speaker 15: a number of reasons why it's sort of happened now
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Speaker 15: and we'll sort of see what happens at the UN
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Speaker 15: General Assembly in New York next month.
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Speaker 4: Has it been.
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Speaker 2: Generally well received or is there descends? Is it divisit the.
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Speaker 15: Well received to a degree, but there have been many
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Speaker 15: comments saying it's too little, too late, and well it
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Speaker 15: really make any difference anywhere anyway. The federal opposition here
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Speaker 15: has not been complimentary of it, saying that it's just
27:08
Speaker 15: basically playing into Hammers's hands over there. But a lot
27:12
Speaker 15: of people are just saying it's just too little, too
27:14
Speaker 15: late and it's not going to make any difference.
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Speaker 2: Now. How exciting On Sunday in Victoria when a metea
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Speaker 2: streaked across the sky. There's fireballs and people's houses got rattled.
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Speaker 15: Did they ever? And now the hunt is on to
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Speaker 15: try and find fragments of that meteorite as it came
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Speaker 15: crashing down. Yea, it happened in country Victoria, somewhere people
27:37
Speaker 15: think between Bendigo and Ballarat. Now, no one's been able
27:43
Speaker 15: to find it as yet or if there are any fragments,
27:45
Speaker 15: if anything, has sort of lasted as it crashed to earth.
27:48
Speaker 15: But people sort of reported that they heard a huge
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Speaker 15: explosion which shook their homes and they were saying that
27:57
Speaker 15: there was a flaming ball of lights streaking across sky
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Speaker 15: with a sort of a flaming tale at the end
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Speaker 15: of it. Some even thought it was an earthquake. It
28:06
Speaker 15: was so loud and such a huge sonic boom that
28:10
Speaker 15: they thought that it was an earthquake rattling their homes.
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Speaker 15: It was also seen as far away as in Melbourne
28:16
Speaker 15: and heard in Melbourne and as far as west as
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Speaker 15: warning Ball in western Victoria. So quite amazing.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, no, thank you so much. And you can just
28:26
Speaker 2: imagine the Australian accident saying, oh, there's a flaming ball
28:30
Speaker 2: of light, mate.
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Speaker 4: It is ten to six news talk said be.
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Speaker 2: So Australia says they're going to recognize Palestine in September.
28:40
Speaker 2: We're weighing up our position and there'll be a month
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Speaker 2: where we talk about this amongst the cabinet. This comes
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Speaker 2: after Australia back to two state solution at the UN
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Speaker 2: joining the UK, Frances and Canada. We've always back to
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Speaker 2: two state solution, but there's a difference when you actually
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Speaker 2: declared that Palestine a Palestine state, you recognize the Palestine state.
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Speaker 2: So to talk about the nuance of all of this,
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Speaker 2: John Battersby, who is a massive university, he's at the
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Speaker 2: massive University Center for Defense and Security Studies One.
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Speaker 10: It's your John, good morning.
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Speaker 2: So what is this? Is this virtue signaling? Is this
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Speaker 2: just a symbolic gesture or does it have a real power.
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Speaker 10: I think it is largely a symbolic gesture and it's
29:18
Speaker 10: brought on, obviously by what your previous speaker was talking about,
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Speaker 10: the horrendous consequences that are that are being felt in
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Speaker 10: Gaza as a result of the Israeli response to the
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Speaker 10: October twenty twenty three event. And I think the the
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Speaker 10: vast feeling of public opinion in several countries is something
29:36
Speaker 10: needs to be done to try and pull the Israeli
29:39
Speaker 10: action back. There's internal dissent in Israel itself over the
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Speaker 10: effect of it. So any move really in this direction
29:46
Speaker 10: may be able to temper. So I think while it
29:50
Speaker 10: is somewhat symbolic in terms of recognizing a state that
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Speaker 10: problems in the air, there is an effect that may have.
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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, it's pressure on as well as pressure on us.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how big is this moved from Australia to
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Speaker 2: do this, to declare this now? And will our government
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Speaker 2: now be feeling the pressure to join the herd?
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Speaker 10: I think there'll be a general Yeah, there'll be a
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Speaker 10: general pressure up here, pressure of other states. A number
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Speaker 10: of other states already recognized under and forty seven. I
30:17
Speaker 10: think you have already done so, so there'll be we'll
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Speaker 10: probably have to justify why we don't. I think would
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Speaker 10: be the would be the case. Well, the problem is, though,
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Speaker 10: I think that it's probably recognizing it for the wrong reason.
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Speaker 10: It's recognizing it as a counter to Israeli action, rather
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Speaker 10: than recognizing the integrity of a Palestinian state itself.
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Speaker 2: A state which is divined with territory and people and
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Speaker 2: governance and law and authority, because it's not just oh
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Speaker 2: it's a state. There's a whole lot before you can
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Speaker 2: become a state.
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Speaker 6: Isn't it.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's right, and it's it's divided between the we
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Speaker 10: spank and guards or the big chunk of Israel, than
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Speaker 10: between and Gaza is heavily contested between Hamas and in Israel,
30:58
Speaker 10: and Hamas is an autocratic organization. There's no friend of democracy.
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Speaker 10: A number of Arab states don't support it, so you'll
31:04
Speaker 10: there's some big questions around this.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, is there any downside?
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Speaker 10: Is there a downside to recognizing possibly in the future,
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Speaker 10: but governments tend to act in the moment, and the
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Speaker 10: key crisis at the moment is the perceived overreaction of
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Speaker 10: Israel and the ditrimental effects it's having on the people
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Speaker 10: of Gaza, and that's probably the most urgent thing that
31:29
Speaker 10: needs to be done. So yeah, probably the downside that
31:31
Speaker 10: it's probably down the road.
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Speaker 2: John Battersby, I thank you so much from the Massive
31:35
Speaker 2: University Center for Defense and Security Studies. It is seven
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Speaker 2: minutes to six.
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Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early
31:42
Speaker 1: edition with Adre Dickins and one Route Love where you
31:46
Speaker 1: Live News talks.
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Speaker 2: That'd be so I paid tribute to Paul Stretxter, the
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Speaker 2: sound engineer and the person who trained sound engineers for
31:53
Speaker 2: decades have passed away over the weekend, and Grahams written
31:55
Speaker 2: that during the seventies and eighties we have fantastic people
31:57
Speaker 2: involved in New Zealand music port obviously one of them.
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Speaker 2: It's the best time for the KEII sound. Yes it was.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you're somewhere near Saint Peter's
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Speaker 2: Village Hall and Paika Kariki tomorrow one that's when his
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Speaker 2: celebration of his life is going to happen, and you'll
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Speaker 2: see an awful lot of very famous New Zealanders around
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Speaker 2: there speaking. Which is one mate? Now, Mike Ello, good morning.
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Speaker 2: The Palestinian question, the it's a weird thing. Yesterday I
32:20
Speaker 2: was watching the Prime Minister's press conference. I don't understand
32:22
Speaker 2: it personally, I've never understood it.
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Speaker 3: So what happens? So you recognize Palestine, then what ye nothing?
32:29
Speaker 2: To be a state, you need land and they don't
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Speaker 2: have any land. Guy just now just pointed that out.
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Speaker 2: There's there's between the West Bank and the Gards and
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Speaker 2: there's no land. There's no there's no authority. Har Mass
32:38
Speaker 2: has been discredited, the Palestine authority.
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Speaker 3: It's just the weirdest thing. It's just like I was
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Speaker 3: watching the question. It's like they went into some sort
32:44
Speaker 3: of crazed fizz that we were going to say something,
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Speaker 3: and of course we didn't even say anything. We might
32:49
Speaker 3: say something, maybe we won't, Maybe Australia will, maybe there
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Speaker 3: won Who cares? What difference does it make? Well?
32:56
Speaker 2: Would I say this morning? Will it put any food
32:58
Speaker 2: in a palace and belly?
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Speaker 3: There's a hundred you realize, one hundred and fifty ish
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Speaker 3: countries who already recognize Palestine. What's that done for them?
33:05
Speaker 2: And we've already said, oh, we believe in a two
33:07
Speaker 2: states solution, but that doesn't mean to clear its state.
33:09
Speaker 2: But what's it means?
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Speaker 3: It means nothing, absolutely nothing. I don't know why the
33:15
Speaker 3: Prime Minister doesn't say that. I mean, you probably can't
33:18
Speaker 3: afford to politically. Anyway, we'll we'll touch as briefly on
33:21
Speaker 3: that as we possibly can. Good news on tourism, bad
33:25
Speaker 3: news on tourism. So two separate stories on that. Laney
33:28
Speaker 3: Wilson no country music.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, she's coming.
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Speaker 3: She's coming, and so we'll talk to her. She's a
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Speaker 3: big deal. She's like a seriously big deal.
33:38
Speaker 2: I defer to you, I'm not a country guy.
33:39
Speaker 3: No, she's she's like right up there. She'd be as
33:42
Speaker 3: certainly the biggest female name in country music and like
33:46
Speaker 3: Luke Holmb's esque in terms of success and size, audience
33:50
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Anyway, she's coming here for the
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Speaker 3: first time to hear this moment.
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Speaker 2: Madame er Dickons, thank you if your company, have a
33:54
Speaker 2: great day.
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