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Episode 10: The One with The Worst Mormon Movie · Josh and The Giant

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  Hey, guys. Welcome back to Josh and the
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  Giant. My name is Jairus.
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  What is that? Welcome back.
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  What does that say? Let me see that.
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  The Lord's giant loves Israel. That's all right.
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  And it's a picture of you. Give me that, Israel.
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  Yeah, guys, welcome back. Yeah, if you couldn't tell, just
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  made some sick new merch. This is our our first job.
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  What are you talking about? I think it's pretty cool.
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  That's not on the website. It's pretty sheet, Josh, isn't
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  it on the website? This is on the website without
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  Ben no. Matt, did you know about this?
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  I can either hear, confirm or deny.
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  All right. But that's, yeah, that's not
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  fair. That doesn't really help
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  anything at all. But you know what?
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  That's very frustrating. You know what else is
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  frustrating? Don't do that.
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  It's a joke. There's nothing in there
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  roasted. Dude, that's a really good joke.
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  I know somebody that likes Interstellar now.
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  Anyway, back to the podcast. This week on Threads.
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  This week on Threads. Threads.
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  Nice, that's actually a music drop.
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  We should just. Dude, let's clip that.
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  Let's clip that. Your threads threads.
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  Anyway, this week on threads. Did you guys know?
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  Wait, wait, wait a minute. Hold up.
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  OK, hold up. Son of a gun.
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  I hate threads. I hate this Dang app so much.
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  This is awful. Hey guys, I'm just here to
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  remind you that the Ku Klux Klan is a Christian organization.
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  Guess how many likes that has? If it's If it's more than 10
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  then I'm upset and I know it's more than 10.
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  Oh my gosh. 23.6000 likes 1000 Comments I was one of those
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  comments and I said and I want to hear your guys's thoughts.
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  I want to hear your thoughts about this too.
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  If I as a white man simply say that I'm a black man, am I now a
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  black man? Your answer to that question is
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  the exact same answer to Is the KKK a Christian organization?
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  You pose a great question. Yeah, thank you.
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  I'm having to Google something. That's all right.
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  Now look, here's the thing. And I got into a back and forth,
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  God bless this other content creator I was going back and
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  forth with on threads. Her name is April, April Joy,
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  maybe April. And I think we had a fairly like
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  a, a kind back and forth. Yeah, I was simply trying to
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  make the point. And again, I want to hear your
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  guys's thoughts about this. There has to be something more
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  than simply saying I'm a Christian to validate you
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  actually being a Christian. Now, I want to also make it
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  clear, I'm not talking about salvation because I think people
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  like people that we can like without knowing that they're a
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  Christian. They can be saved, sure.
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  But whenever it comes to who we can identify as a Christian.
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  And I think the Scripture backs us up too.
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  Like there's things you have to both do and believe.
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  And that's why I think it comes down to A2 prong thing.
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  You're a doctrine and your actions.
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  And I think whenever we go to someone like the Dang, the fact
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  that we even have to say this, but like the Klan, the Klu Klux
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  Klan, bad people, bad people. Disavow.
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  I want to be the first to say we are maybe the first podcast ever
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  to publicly disavow the Ku Klux. Klan.
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  Ku Klux Klan or bad. Not cool, Matt.
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  No, don't do that, Matt. Cut his mic.
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  You have all cut his mic. Goodness gracious, Matt anyway,
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  not the time mad anyway. Goodness gracious, I I got all
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  bunched up about that and I wasn't getting like mad that
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  somebody would dare disagree with me or have a different
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  thought. But just the idea that like I
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  had to be on threads. Can you not have can you put the
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  sunglasses on whenever we talk about the movie?
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  Yeah, yeah, you're right. Because I because I get nothing
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  out of that. Thank you and the hat.
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  Oh my gosh. Anyway, what does the hat say?
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  Huh. What does it say?
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  Mormons. Moments, moments, moments,
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  moments. No.
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  But to your point, we're talking about this earlier.
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  Yeah. It's I, I, I think it's really
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  lazy to just be like, hey, this person or group historically
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  that's awful. And like attributing them to
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  like, whatever group that you disagree with, like, and, and
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  the same thing. I I've heard people trying to do
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  it with Hitler. You know, Hitler was a
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  Christian. Was he?
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  Yeah. Really.
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  She actually says that too. I read.
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  I read her thing further in. That, well, she made the point.
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  German people follow and said that they were also.
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  Right and then she's also like, oh, are you also going to say
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  that like the the Confederate S who you and I'm like, yeah, I
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  can I can say that. I can say people who twist and
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  misuse and abuse scripture and totally take it out of the out
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  of context. And it's actually so easy to
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  say. And what's weird is people will
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  and I know this is a comedy podcast.
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  OK, at least two degrees. Well, we're not laughing.
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  We're not laughing. We're not good.
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  You know what? I.
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  Tell you what. This is about my Lord and
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  Savior, but also legitimately because these same people will
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  then also say, well, that actually does a lot of harm to
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  the body. If you ignore the harm that
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  people have done in the name of Christ.
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  I'm not doing that. People have done horrific things
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  in the name of Christ. It also does harm to the body
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  Whenever you just cast a wide net and go we just anybody that
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  says they're a Christian is a Christian.
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  No, because then you go back to exactly what I was telling you
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  about earlier, where for anybody that's read Mere Christianity by
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  CS Lewis, he talks about, I believe even in the Dang
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  prelude, which CS Lewis is so much smarter than I'll ever be,
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  that in like his. Preludes he was dropping.
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  He probably liked Interstellar. He Do you think CS Lewis liked
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  Interstellar because it was out? He was.
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  He was still alive. Yeah, yeah.
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  That's how and that's how you know math.
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  Josh is really smart. He does his math like this Big
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  Mac, Big Mac. Anyway, no, but he was just
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  talking about how even during his time, things like the word
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  Christian were already starting to lose their definition.
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  And he was comparing it to the to the word gentleman.
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  Because at a certain point in time, and I'm probably botching
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  this, but a gentleman literally meant somebody who was like from
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  a certain kind of family and owned a certain amount of land,
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  right? And then even by his point in
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  time, gentleman started to basically mean just a nice guy.
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  And that is basically what it means now, gentleman has
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  completely lost its original definition.
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  And whenever we do this with the with the word Christian, we're
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  doing the exact same thing. We're doing the exact same thing
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  that great minds like CS Lewis were warning us about of like
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  you have to safeguard these things.
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  You have to have definitions for words.
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  Otherwise people will just Co opt words.
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  And in the same way that some people have done and like done
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  terrible things in the name of Christ, people then believe them
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  essentially, they they take them at their word and then it does
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  damage to the name of Christ because people go, oh, this is
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  what a Christian is. And it is is on us, I think
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  genuinely to go, no, that's not what a Christian is like.
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  Like not, not only are they like, oh, they're a bad
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  Christian, they're not Christian.
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  In general. In general.
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  It's like when I was in college, I remember I, I didn't run
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  track, just to be clear, but I had some friends who me neither
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  the track team really. Don't laugh, Don't laugh so
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  hard. He laughed.
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  Sorry, go ahead. So I didn't run track.
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  I had some friends that ran track and I remember I'm, I'm at
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  Fuzzy's Tacos, which great margaritas with some friends.
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  And there was a guy who had like just come to SFA and he was like
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  posting on Instagram kind of. And he was always with the track
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  team, but he was acting like he was on the team.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So I asked my friend Carrie. I'm like, yo, what's up with
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  this guy? Like, what is he Ron?
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  Is he good? And he literally goes, Oh my
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  gosh. He's like, dude, this guy tried
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  out for the track team, didn't make it because he sucked.
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  But then they were like, hey, you can be the manager and like
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  haul around the gear and stuff. And the guy said yes, but he was
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  like the only person from his area to come to our college.
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  So he would post on his Instagram like he was on the
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  track team. Incredible.
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  So in the same sense, it's like there is a standard for being on
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  the track team, for being a Christian.
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  And you know what? We get to be kind of annoyed
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  whenever someone's like, you know, the Klan, for example,
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  hey, they were Christian. No, they weren't, right?
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  This guy's not on our track. No they weren't, and no they
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  aren't sorry. I think that bugged me about her
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  response to you was I'm reading it right now.
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  In her paragraph she says they obviously aren't following
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  Christ, but they are still Christian.
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  Because look, I. Not how that works.
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  That's not how that works. Oh my goodness.
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  I think whenever you have two symbol, a definition, you can
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  fall into error, right? But even if we take what does a
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  Christian mean? Who is a Christian?
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  At the simplest definition, then, by her own admission,
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  they're not Christian. That doesn't mean we then have
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  to ignore all the bad things they've done.
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  That doesn't mean that we shouldn't do something about
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  people who are doing bad things in the name of Christ.
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  But we can take a moment and go, hey, they're not Christian. 100
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  years from now, someone's going to get on threads.
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  What? Because it's still going to be a
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  thing. Obviously, threads will love the
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  world. And they're going to say that
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  like you were Muslim. That's what the Muslims do.
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  Again, I don't this episode is demolished.
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  I'd get out, opened up some worms.
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  No, but that's what the Muslims do, by the way.
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  That's how they're able to say that Jesus was a Muslim.
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  Because they change dead, bro. They changed the definition.
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  Was our best prophet he didn't get here to like cheery law, but
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  like. He was a Muslim, hey, but no,
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  because they say a Muslim is anybody.
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  I, I think Matt, can you Google this?
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  They say a Muslim is anybody who, like, submits his will to
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  God. So that's how they can
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  retroactively like, like literally what you're saying,
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  they can retroactively go, yeah, Jesus was a Muslim because he
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  submitted himself to Allah. And you're like, no.
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  It was chill that we flew the planes to this one towers.
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  Yeah, the Quran specifically states it as one who submits or
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  surrenders, I think to Allah, which they again is 11 God.
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  Yes. So they say that Christ
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  submitted to one God, Moses submitted to one God.
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  Yep. So they're all Muslims?
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  Do we think is it Allah or Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah?
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  I don't. Think it matters too much?
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  That's also a weird. Thing he was really behind like
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  911 do we think Allah was really like yeah you guys need to go
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  and. Well, I think there's a lot of
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  stuff if we want to get into the whole really the George Bush,
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  yeah. He told George Bush to put
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  those. Bombs.
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  I think the other day I posted a video where I said a lot of the
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  times I think we give the devil a day off because we just
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  attribute a lot of things to the devil and we're just at fault
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  for a lot of things. I think a lot of stuff like 911,
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  we don't really need the devil for.
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  Yeah, Now look. Satan's like Dang, I didn't
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  even. For any of the hyper hyper
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  whatever Christians, I'm not saying the devil doesn't exist
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  or that he isn't behind spiritual warfare.
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  I'm simply saying I think a lot of the times humans are evil
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  enough. Also, can we just acknowledge
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  this too, since we're on this topic?
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  Yeah, Satan is a finite being. Like Satan is not everywhere all
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  at once. He's like in one spot, like he
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  may have like demons working for him and stuff.
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  But when I see Sharon, who she's just had a tough day, you know,
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  because she she dropped her coffee and then she was late
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  for, you know, work and what? And she's like, oh, Satan's
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  really. Satan's not near you right now.
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  Like Satan is in probably the Middle East tormenting people.
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  And you know that man, there's actually a very interesting
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  talking point that I don't think like.
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  I don't know. I'm not qualified to speak on
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  this. I'm well, here's neither am I,
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  but I think I think there has to be some sort of addendum to
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  that. Like Satan is not God, right?
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  He's not omnipresent and he's certainly not omnipotent, but
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  there is with the angels like with the like cosmic beings,
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  there is something where where it's beyond because I do think
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  to some degree Satan is at fault for much, well, not much for all
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  of the spiritual warfare that goes.
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  On Oh, for sure, right, like his influence in the like in art and
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  whatever, but like when someone's like, oh, Satan's
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  really, it's like, no, Satan was not present for you.
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  You know, you're you're car getting a flat tire.
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  Like I hate to be the Bureau of bad news.
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  Like just stuff happens sometimes.
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  But what? But wouldn't they also be right
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  in the same way that like, if I if I drive down the same road
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  for five years and the city never fixes that horrible
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  pothole, I'm like this damn city.
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  It's really like they because they are at fault, right?
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  Yeah, but it's also like, I thought, you're about to say it
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  was Satan's fault at the pothole.
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  Well, there we go. I mean Satan.
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  Who? Runs our city, hey.
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  Bro we're not. We don't battle against flesh
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  and blood. Anyway, that's what anyway,
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  going on the point this week on thread the clan.
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  The clan are Christian and I don't care.
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  And look, I am also, I'm, I'm cognizant of the fact that there
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  can be distinctions. Obviously we, we're all, and
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  anybody who's aware enough can go, yeah, they call themselves a
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  Christian organization. They might even be classified as
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  a Christian organization because of ABC or D, right?
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  I don't give a damn because they're not at their root and at
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  their core actually Christian. Again, in the same way some,
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  because I have Muslim followers, they'll DM me sometimes they,
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  they might say, hey, man, I think you're, you're a real
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  Muslim because, OK, cool. I'm not, I'm a Christian, but
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  you can call me that. We can say whatever as long as
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  you and I can look each other in the eye and have the logical
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  understanding that they're not. And whenever someone like and
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  again, I also I want to double down and say April and eyes back
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  and forth. I think was very amicable.
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  There was nobody like calling names, none of that.
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  There was a little bit she frustrated me and Matt went
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  through it. The true the No True Scotsman
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  thing is thrown out too much and it's not applicable in
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  situations like this or. A lot of others, I feel like
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  people that aren't good at having dialogue on the Internet
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  just claim like one of the five debate things of like, oh, you
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  know, that's that's a No true Scotsman fallacy.
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  That's a this fallacy, that's a hearing fallacy that yeah, just
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  talk like a human. Well, and also it's like.
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  Having a debate right now, just talk like a person.
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  Also, if you're going to use it like I I have no problem if
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  you're going to use it and it's right, yeah.
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  But if you're just going to go, that's a no true Scotsman.
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  No, it's not. It's like literally I was having
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  this thought while I was messaging her or I was going
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  back and forth on threads. I was like, yeah, but at a
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  certain point in African isn't a Scotsman, right?
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  Like somebody in Africa is not also.
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  Scotsman there is at at the core of everything is objective
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  truth, right? Like either there's truth or
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  there's not. Right.
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  And the No True Scotsman thing, nowhere is about like, oh,
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  anybody who puts any parameters. No, it's if you like change
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  something like just Willy nilly of your own accord because you
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  don't like AB or nobody's doing that.
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  But anyway, if anybody's interested on the No True
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  Scotsman thing, Dan McClellan and Mike Jones Inspiring
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  Philosophy had a wonderful back and forth.
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  What's up guys? We're going to get right back to
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  the podcast, but wanted to stop and say thank you.
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  Thank you so much for watching or listening to Josh and the
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  Giant. Wherever you do.
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  If you haven't, take some time to go to joshandthegiant.com and
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  support us. Consider becoming a member.
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  Check out our merch. I definitely haven't pissed
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  myself. Guys, thank you again so much
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  for supporting the pod. God bless.
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  Through videos about it and I do think Mike came.
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  Back thought it was wonderful. That's true.
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  I think Dan ended up blocking him but.
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  You know that Dan is actually an African American woman.
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  Well, he could be, because according to Dan, words don't
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  matter. Everything is up for
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  interpretation. What I'm saying historically, if
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  you look at it. Yeah, he also doesn't exist.
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  No, he's just a figment of our imagination.
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  Are we real? Josh, Josh, Josh and the Giant.
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  Anyway, great episode. Yeah, that was really fun.
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  And then we just transcend, yeah.
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  Yeah, dude, it's like Dave. Oh no, you don't remember.
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  That I wasn't here for that. I'm still pissed that y'all.
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  Like that was insane. I was.
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  A little scared? Remember whenever it was like an
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  hour and then Josh came back and he was like, oh, it's like 5
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  minutes. Yeah, I think we were in some.
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  Country, I'll show you. Warp, yeah.
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  Did y'all do like shrubs before that episode or something?
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  Did y'all do? That, yeah, but that's every
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  episode. Yeah, yeah, but what, like did
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  you do more than your normal depth?
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  Oh, no. What?
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  It was the Israel Cup. Anyway, Speaking of, I love
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  Christians, Christians and non Christian.
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  Shut up dude, stop. You're not only I don't love
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  Israel. Whoa.
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  But no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What?
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  Other countries don't you love? Let me tell you something
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  anyway, You totally messed up my transition Again.
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  Again. That's OK.
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  Also Speaking of non Christians, we watched a movie a movie weeks
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  ago. At this point it's a long time
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  ago. We asked the Mormons in the
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  audience the the LDS members in the audience what is the best
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  Joseph Smith movie. I do want to apologize.
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  We did say we would watch 2. After this one I do not see
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  there was another one. Put it in the comments please.
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  If you guys can remember, I don't remember there was another
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  one that looked like maybe would actually be OK.
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  They threw quite a few at us to be.
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  Fair they did, but the majority, I would say the majority winner
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  was this movie called The Witnesses.
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  There's another movie if you guys want us to watch it.
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  Maybe we could, and I think it would actually be pretty good,
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  But one about the Mormon prisoners in like Russia.
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  I thought it was the one where Joseph Smith turned into a
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  velociraptor. You gotta send me the link to
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  that. Cuz I do want to see that I've
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  been looking for it. But The Witnesses?
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  Yep, The Witnesses is technically a movie.
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  A Mormon movie at. That time Mormon movie.
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  Let me tell you something. I've got my Mormon hat and we.
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  Oh, here we go. And here come the glasses.
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  I don't understand glasses. Yeah.
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  Yeah, Yeah, brother. Hey, brother.
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  Listen here. Can I put my first thing?
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  Go ahead. The movie opens.
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  If you watch it, Wait wait wait before.
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  I want to go ahead and do this first.
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  Guess what? So it didn't get enough reviews
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  on Rotten Tomatoes from actual critics to have like a score.
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  Guess what the audience score was on?
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  Is it 100? 97%.
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  I was going to guess 95. 97 The Mormons love.
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  This one now, OK, I want to make it a bun in the clear before we
• 17:40
  start talking about this movie. And we've made this amount in
• 17:43
  the clear on our own individual content.
• 17:44
  We've made this abundantly clear on the podcast before.
• 17:47
  Both of us obviously have our issues with Mormonism, right?
• 17:50
  Everything, everything that I will say about this movie has
• 17:55
  nothing to do with the beliefs. Can't say the same.
• 17:58
  OK, well, fair enough. And you know what?
• 18:00
  I'm not saying I'm going to be perfect about that, but here's
• 18:03
  what I mean. This movie I do not.
• 18:05
  I genuinely don't know why it was recommended unless it was
• 18:08
  recommended as a joke. Yeah.
• 18:09
  Were you guys like, are you? Guys goofing 'cause I I really
• 18:12
  wanted to watch the best. Justice, Commitment, Witnesses.
• 18:16
  Oh my gosh, some people make videos being like, you guys
• 18:18
  should watch this. And I was like, you know what?
• 18:21
  Maybe it'll be a good movie. Somebody just on that topic of
• 18:26
  getting videos made there, there's a Mormon woman who made
• 18:29
  a video about me that said that I was What's it called when you
• 18:33
  don't like Jews? Gay, OH.
• 18:36
  And she said I was anti-Semitic because I thought that a a
• 18:40
  Mormon kids worship song was weird.
• 18:44
  I didn't. I couldn't really track with it.
• 18:45
  Oh, because they were probably just singing some old Jewish
• 18:47
  song. No, it wasn't Jewish.
• 18:49
  It was. It's the follow the prophet.
• 18:52
  Follow the Prophet, but. What I'm saying is, is that
• 18:55
  translated? From like, no, like it's written
• 18:57
  for Mormonism. And she was like.
• 18:59
  Wow. You hate Jews too?
• 19:01
  And I was like, what I. Didn't wait, but isn't it a
• 19:03
  Mormon thing where they do think they're like the like they're
• 19:07
  the Israelites? Yeah, like descendants who came
• 19:10
  to America and. And don't they also, or some of
• 19:13
  them, at least some of them thinks, yeah, I think some of
• 19:16
  them also think that Joseph Smith was predicted in like the
• 19:21
  Talmud, right? Because isn't there someone
• 19:24
  barred Joseph and they, they some, at least some Mormons will
• 19:27
  attribute that to Joseph Smith. Anyway, we're getting off topic.
• 19:30
  Sorry about that. Yeah, just.
• 19:31
  No, you're good. 9097 percent, 7%.
• 19:34
  OK, this is what I wanted to say.
• 19:35
  To be fair to them, a bunch of the Gods Not Dead movies have
• 19:37
  100% on Rotten to me. Yeah, because people just delays
• 19:40
  those. I get it.
• 19:41
  I get it. Yeah.
• 19:42
  You know, you got your thing and you got.
• 19:43
  It for the whole team. Anyway, first thing I wrote,
• 19:47
  because this movie doesn't have a formal rating like like rating
• 19:50
  as in like PG through M or whatever, not MRI put unrated
• 19:57
  edgy edgy, yeah, what's this movie?
• 20:00
  What are they going to do? Little freaky deaky Mormon movie
• 20:03
  anyway. Here's oh, here's another thing.
• 20:06
  And this can be seen as a positive or negative, what have
• 20:08
  you. Let me tell you something.
• 20:10
  The God's not dead movies, very asexual.
• 20:14
  The Witnesses movie not asexual at all.
• 20:17
  Nope. And do we want to go?
• 20:18
  Do we want to go chronologically or do we want to give over all
• 20:21
  thoughts? Just go ahead and give all.
• 20:22
  Thoughts. OK, I wrote this down.
• 20:24
  You could cut the gay tension in this movie with a Dang knife.
• 20:27
  Yeah, every other scene, Matt, Matt didn't watch the movie.
• 20:32
  Every other scene is somebody looking at Joseph Smith.
• 20:36
  Like, literally like. There's a little glimmer in the
• 20:38
  eye. Matt, zoom it whenever you do
• 20:40
  that Zoom including Joseph Smith.
• 20:44
  Lick your lips little. What are you doing?
• 20:49
  How does he do that? Oh my God, bro, there's a whole
• 20:51
  part. Oh my gosh, there's a whole
• 20:53
  really weird part in the beginning where where he runs
• 20:59
  home and he's like, nobody touched the plates, right?
• 21:02
  And they're all wrapped up. And then he allows his sister to
• 21:05
  touch him. And then Joseph Smith is like
• 21:07
  sitting back in the chair, 'cause he just ran through the
• 21:09
  woods and he. I also wrote down Joe Smith, the
• 21:12
  John Wick prophet, because also in the previous.
• 21:14
  Yeah, I've got something to say. He absolutely mollywops like 3
• 21:18
  different guys. Anyway, he's sitting there and
• 21:21
  he's like, and he's like, you can, you can touch it.
• 21:24
  Go ahead and touch it. Like literally, he's literally
• 21:27
  like, no, go ahead and he just sits back and he's like, and
• 21:30
  he's doing his big dumb smile that he does.
• 21:32
  He does the whole movie. They the guy that they cast for
• 21:34
  Joseph Smith, handsome, handsome guy.
• 21:36
  He looks like who's the dude that when you were the over the
• 21:38
  other day, the guy that's in Sonic and like he.
• 21:42
  Does and I'm like oh this? Guy's just in everything.
• 21:44
  Oh, he looks like Cyclops. And he's.
• 21:46
  Always just the best guy ever. It's like, oh, here's the all
• 21:49
  American guy that's on Do what? It looks like the guy is
• 21:52
  something. Yeah, it kind of does.
• 21:53
  So they cast a guy that looks like that for Joseph James
• 21:56
  Marsden. James Marsden that's Cyclops.
• 21:59
  And then everyone else that they cast male wise is just damn
• 22:03
  ugga. Let's find someone from West
• 22:04
  Virginia. Just the ugliest people you've
• 22:06
  ever seen. So that doesn't help that he was
• 22:08
  the only probably. But literally he's like, and
• 22:12
  he's and like his sister tries to touch the plates and the mom
• 22:14
  is like, and he's like, it's OK, you can touch it.
• 22:18
  And then the rest and then the rest of the family is like, and
• 22:21
  literally, and I'm not BSN, right?
• 22:24
  You watched it. He's like, and there is a full
• 22:27
  1015 seconds where all of his family is like touching and
• 22:31
  rubbing the plates. And he's just over there like,
• 22:34
  and it's like, what? What is what is this movie?
• 22:38
  What is this movie already? And yeah, go ahead.
• 22:41
  You got some. Thoughts.
• 22:41
  So I got some thoughts because I don't know if this is, I'm
• 22:45
  assuming that it is like, I don't know if you would call it
• 22:47
  Canon or folklore, but that that Joseph Smith ran into like
• 22:50
  attackers in the woods when he got the plates and he he fought
• 22:54
  them off and then he got, I don't know if that's subscribed
• 22:57
  to. Real quick, you mentioned this
• 22:59
  before we started recording. This movie is terrible at
• 23:02
  following chronologically. Yes, 'cause they jump all
• 23:05
  around. There's a lot they don't tell
• 23:07
  you they don't like. You know well.
• 23:08
  They'll tell you three years. Three years later.
• 23:12
  They do a bit, but even still it's like like at one point
• 23:15
  whenever they're cuz I cuz I always knew that like the Book
• 23:18
  of Mormon. One of the things you always
• 23:19
  hear people like gassing it up about is that he did it in like
• 23:21
  3 months, right? It does not feel that way at all
• 23:25
  in the movie. In the movie it's like, OK, it's
• 23:27
  been years or something. It's been some long amount of
• 23:30
  time and then it's like no, three months later and it's
• 23:33
  like, what's going on? Yeah, this isn't it.
• 23:35
  It's not. Just buried his key I.
• 23:37
  Don't mean to cut you off, like right off the beginning.
• 23:39
  No, you're good. Everything about this movie is
• 23:41
  done poorly. Yeah.
• 23:43
  The acting is poor. The director acting is poor,
• 23:45
  there's terrible shot composition, everything is blown
• 23:48
  out like and I don't just mean the dudes backs after the scene
• 23:53
  ends, I mean the scene everything is so bright.
• 23:57
  Everything there's there's either under acting or insane
• 24:01
  over acting like, dude, like they're watching family members
• 24:05
  being beheaded right off screen and all it is whenever Martin
• 24:09
  loses the which I understand it's a big deal, but literally
• 24:13
  Joseph Smith is going to RIP his head off.
• 24:16
  He's like, you can't find out Martin and he's like, I can't
• 24:20
  Joseph, I've opened books and I've opened beds and and you're
• 24:26
  just sitting there like, all right, can we get back?
• 24:28
  And then literally the next scene, dude, the next also, Oh
• 24:31
  my gosh. No, we'll get there.
• 24:33
  We'll get there. Let me get back to the the the
• 24:35
  opening scene or what felt like the opening scene.
• 24:38
  Yes. Please.
• 24:39
  Was that like a Muslim chant? Something like that.
• 24:41
  OK, very Muslim film. Bad boys.
• 24:45
  Go ahead, I love bad boys, my goodness.
• 24:48
  So that from now on. That's the way you drive.
• 24:52
  Me saying I love bad boys was just kind of a SUS remark.
• 24:56
  Well, no, I mean it's a movie you didn't like.
• 24:58
  Whisper into my ear. And I ain't going back anyway,
• 25:02
  so. Remember the scene in Bad Boys?
• 25:03
  Let's talk about a better movie for a second.
• 25:05
  In Bad Boys 2, whenever they're doing the shootout in the house
• 25:09
  and the camera is traveling in and out of the bullet holes and
• 25:12
  around, and Will Smith is doing that, he's teed out.
• 25:14
  Oh yeah. Oh my God, So sick.
• 25:16
  Everything about goofy little white Ben, who is like Tubby,
• 25:21
  and he's like, this is the coolest thing ever.
• 25:22
  I'm like, I want this to be me. I want this to be my
• 25:25
  personality. And it never could have been.
• 25:27
  Yeah, go ahead, The witnesses. The witnesses away from bad
• 25:31
  boys. So I don't know if this is like
• 25:33
  Mormon folklore or whatever, but they put in the movie Joseph
• 25:37
  Smith. He finds the place and then he
• 25:38
  runs into like 3 attackers in the woods that are trying to get
• 25:41
  the gold from him and then he you know, he battles them off.
• 25:44
  That's impossible. I would wager every dollar that
• 25:48
  I have to make all $45,000,000 that we have that that did not
• 25:52
  happen. If I could bet that on Kaushi
• 25:54
  because what what people may or may not know, Joseph Smith
• 25:57
  walked his entire life with a limp because he almost lost his
• 26:00
  leg as a a kid. Like they were like this close
• 26:04
  to having to just cut it off and then they had to like, dig into
• 26:07
  his leg. Whoa.
• 26:09
  Wheelchair index the tinch not in the past, so he.
• 26:15
  He's so athletic. He's always, literally, he's
• 26:21
  always outside chopping wood. He's always, he literally beats
• 26:25
  up three men. He bashes one dude's head in
• 26:27
  with a stick. Yeah, he's like, he bashes
• 26:29
  another guy's head in with a rock and then another guy, I
• 26:31
  think he just kind of shakes off also all men with guns.
• 26:35
  And he's also sprinting through the woods carrying 50 lbs.
• 26:38
  They literally. They said it's £50 then it's not
• 26:40
  50 lbs. When you look at the dimensions,
• 26:43
  if it's actual gold, which the Angel Morona, I said gold
• 26:47
  plates, yes. So a lot of Mormons are going to
• 26:49
  be in the comments. It was tungsten or or another.
• 26:51
  By the way, there's a point in the movie, dude.
• 26:54
  I'm. I'm going to calm down.
• 26:55
  No, But there's a point in the movie where because the whole
• 26:57
  thing, the way the movie is laid out is while you're kind of
• 27:03
  learning about what happened, it keeps cutting back to David
• 27:05
  Whitmer. David Whitmer as an old man
• 27:08
  telling the story to a reporter. Yeah, there's literally a point.
• 27:12
  Hold up. I want to see if I wrote it down
• 27:14
  where the reporter is like, so was it gold or was it LED or
• 27:18
  whatever? And he's like, it doesn't
• 27:19
  matter. The specifics don't matter.
• 27:21
  He literally tells me he's like, you're getting caught up in the
• 27:23
  wrong things. And it's like the the IT kind of
• 27:26
  matters. The details of the story that's
• 27:29
  Those are like the. Whole thing.
• 27:30
  The reason? It's like if somebody was like,
• 27:32
  wait, so did Jesus die and then rise on the third day or the
• 27:35
  4th? You're getting all caught up in
• 27:37
  the nitty gritty. It's like that's how integral
• 27:40
  the these specifics are. Like what was it made on?
• 27:44
  How many was there? Where was come on.
• 27:47
  The whole thing is so stupid. And again, I don't even mean and
• 27:51
  and again, OK, I kind OK, I don't want to immediately recant
• 27:55
  what I said earlier. I do mean some of the.
• 27:57
  Let me take that role. OK, OK.
• 27:59
  I just mean storytelling wise, thematically, it's it's dog
• 28:06
  water, it's not good, it's not laid out well, it doesn't make
• 28:10
  sense. Everything is bad about this
• 28:13
  movie for anybody. If you've ever been to a
• 28:15
  historical like place, especially like a historical
• 28:18
  town, First off, that's 100% where they shot every scene of
• 28:20
  this movie because that's how to the house.
• 28:23
  Washington cabin or something. And we're like, hey, you mind if
• 28:25
  we rent this for a day? Or two, yeah, hey, could we put
• 28:27
  like a chair in this room? Because it's like, look, I get
• 28:30
  it, Maybe not everybody was in the interior design back in the
• 28:33
  1800s. They probably had some.
• 28:35
  On the wall. My goodness, sorry.
• 28:38
  It's just so bare and it doesn't feel lived in and it feels like
• 28:41
  if you've ever been to like a historical town and they go,
• 28:44
  hey, we have a movie we made. You can go into Room 47 and
• 28:48
  we're playing it and it's a little 15 minute movie, except
• 28:51
  this movie is an hour and 40 minutes long.
• 28:54
  This movie was like the the sexual harassment training.
• 28:57
  If you went to go work for like a historical place like that,
• 29:01
  like if we're going to work at like the Abraham Lincoln Museum,
• 29:04
  This movie was just the sexual harassment.
• 29:05
  Training this movie was that, and then if you got molested
• 29:07
  during that. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
• 29:10
  Back to the opening scene, he's he's limping in real life.
• 29:13
  Joseph Smith limped in real life.
• 29:14
  The gold plates were close to like 200 lbs.
• 29:16
  You're telling me like? They.
• 29:18
  Were yes like how they're not 50 lbs like the the the if they are
• 29:23
  gold, which the Angel said they were, the dimensions of the gold
• 29:27
  plates, it's impossible for them to be 50 lbs.
• 29:30
  OK. It's like gold is heavy.
• 29:32
  Also, everyone must just be what's up?
• 29:33
  Was it gold plated? Ask the Angel man.
• 29:37
  Ask. Ask macaroni.
• 29:38
  I don't know. Hey man, I told you I was not
• 29:41
  going to be nice. That's true.
• 29:42
  I've got my hat on that's. You do when I take the hat off
• 29:45
  that'll. Be nice.
• 29:45
  I promise. OK.
• 29:46
  OK. OK.
• 29:47
  No, it's just also, that would just mean that everybody is so
• 29:50
  jacked. Here's the thing.
• 29:51
  Oh, my gosh. This Dang movie I did write.
• 29:55
  I want to give the film its credit.
• 29:56
  Good title card. Yeah.
• 29:58
  Where it says, like witnesses. And then it's the three guys
• 30:00
  names. A scene we never see, by the
• 30:02
  way, which would make a lot of sense to show in the Witnesses
• 30:05
  movie, but you don't see that. Yep.
• 30:08
  I wrote down it felt like because this happened a couple
• 30:12
  times and I don't know chronologically when these
• 30:15
  events allegedly happened, but every time like the townspeople
• 30:18
  came and like we're like, let's get those Mormons from it.
• 30:22
  It felt like they just went to the scene like the set of Django
• 30:26
  and said, hey, everybody like that's been acting and
• 30:28
  pretending to be racist. Keep that same energy and just,
• 30:31
  you know, get it towards the. It felt like they literally were
• 30:35
  trying to just emulate, hey just treat them like a black like we
• 30:38
  would have treated black people in the 1800s.
• 30:40
  Yeah, but also, it's like, don't do too much.
• 30:44
  They were doing too much. Because I understand if somebody
• 30:45
  watches and they're like, well, guys, it was just a small
• 30:47
  production, OK, Don't make the movie.
• 30:49
  It's a bad movie. It's a bad movie.
• 30:52
  I'm supposed to in these scenes be feeling like nervous for
• 30:55
  Joseph Smith, right? And his family because people
• 30:57
  are coming to the farm to attack them.
• 30:59
  And then in that's really weird scene, again, nobody is good at
• 31:03
  acting in this movie. The best actors in this movie
• 31:07
  are people who like you don't know their names.
• 31:09
  And I'm like, that guy maybe should have been Joseph Smith or
• 31:12
  David Whitmer or freaking Martin Harris or whoever the other guy
• 31:15
  is who is a bizarre looking fellow.
• 31:18
  Oliver Cowdry. Oliver Cowdry who gets baptized
• 31:20
  at the end whenever his hair is all slicked back and he's like,
• 31:23
  he looks like the Joker. He looked insane, dude.
• 31:26
  It was crazy anyway. Did you know the Joker was
• 31:28
  actually Mormon? It's it's it's Batman cannon
• 31:33
  that's actually crazy. Makes a lot of sense now.
• 31:35
  Doesn't it 100%, yeah. After seeing this movie, let me
• 31:37
  tell you something. But no, there's like a whole
• 31:39
  scene where they're like, oh, OK.
• 31:41
  Because they treat, they treat them like raccoons in the trash.
• 31:44
  Yes. Where they come outside and
• 31:45
  you're supposed to be under, I believe the assumption that,
• 31:48
  like, these people are willing to kill us, Right?
• 31:50
  Yeah. And then they come out and
• 31:51
  they're all like shooting guns in the air.
• 31:53
  But there's kind of like a come on, y'all go get out of here,
• 31:56
  Dad, and then y'all get. Which, by the way, in the 1800s,
• 32:00
  if you, and especially if it was 200, you have 200 lbs of gold.
• 32:04
  Yeah, I might be. You might.
• 32:05
  You know what I mean? Don't get.
• 32:07
  Yeah, and I might not. Hey, go and get.
• 32:10
  No. Where's the place?
• 32:12
  Where are they? We are going to kill.
• 32:14
  You and it just and I understand it has to paint it in a certain
• 32:17
  light where it's not mad suspicious, but everything is
• 32:21
  just like, hey, could I just see them like real quick and no.
• 32:24
  No, no, I can't. Do that 'cause I made a promise.
• 32:27
  I made a promise. And then it's and then
• 32:28
  everybody's just like, of course.
• 32:30
  Of course that makes sense. I wanted one scene where
• 32:32
  somebody's like, show me the in plates, Joseph, show me the
• 32:36
  plates. I have a gun.
• 32:37
  Show me the plates. Like would have worked,
• 32:39
  probably, probably would have worked, probably would have
• 32:41
  shown them. I want to make a point too.
• 32:43
  Go ahead. I'm sure historically there were
• 32:46
  people who tried to steal the. Plates, no doubt.
• 32:48
  And they they probably, you know, pulled up.
• 32:49
  But I also want to say, like, especially towards the end of
• 32:52
  the movie, whenever it's like the townspeople, like, let's get
• 32:54
  those Mormons. Yeah, go and get them.
• 32:57
  Yeah. It makes it seem like Mormons,
• 32:59
  they were just like all these like innocent, like, oh, we
• 33:01
  we're just trying to live here and.
• 33:03
  Well, what were they doing? Like literally like just
• 33:07
  injecting polygamy into communities.
• 33:09
  Like because they would move kind of in mass, right?
• 33:12
  Like they went to Nauvoo and Kirtland and eventually out
• 33:14
  West. Like Mormon's like adopted
• 33:16
  polygamy pretty quickly. And it wasn't just Joseph Smith
• 33:19
  like other people. Which they address in one line
• 33:21
  of dialogue. In this quick line.
• 33:23
  Oh my goodness that scene is insane.
• 33:26
  But yeah, so they're like, and that's just one of the problems.
• 33:28
  There's other things that Joseph Smith did too, as like a leader
• 33:30
  and stuff. But it's like, let's not act
• 33:32
  like Mormons were just like, we're just these peaceful people
• 33:35
  and we're just here and well. Because I know and I think to a
• 33:37
  degree what you're talking about and they kind of show in the
• 33:39
  movie, even though they don't. Nothing is specific.
• 33:43
  Nothing is like named, wasn't it that?
• 33:45
  And again, I'm not trying to like, I don't know, like like
• 33:49
  give anyone too much credit, but that weren't there literally
• 33:51
  like Mormon hunts essentially like there was there was stuff
• 33:55
  put out where it was like if Mormons are found in this area,
• 33:58
  we will attack them. We will do whatever.
• 34:00
  I forget what that's. Called, I believe like a.
• 34:02
  Bounty. Yeah, like a bounty.
• 34:04
  Or like it was. But I also know that like it was
• 34:07
  either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, they were hunts done on
• 34:10
  other people too from like. So it was.
• 34:13
  Just a a a product of the time. And I'm sure that's what it was.
• 34:17
  Yeah, which is, which is also so frustrating of like, again,
• 34:22
  that's not so much about the movie, but more so whenever you
• 34:24
  talk to certain Mormons about certain beliefs, they're like,
• 34:26
  well, you know, a lot of people at the time.
• 34:28
  But isn't, isn't he supposed to be different?
• 34:31
  Isn't again, if you because I think it is fair and a lot of
• 34:33
  people, there are some points in the movie, fair enough where
• 34:35
  this happens where they're like, don't you talk to God then did
• 34:39
  God tell you to go start a bank and then that all just goes to
• 34:42
  hell and then it's like, sorry. It was actually y'all's fault.
• 34:46
  And Martin Harris has a very good point later on in this
• 34:48
  movie, whenever he's like, oh, everybody else gets to be put in
• 34:50
  these beautiful positions of high authority and I get to,
• 34:53
  like, settle the church's debts. And it's like, hey, you know
• 34:56
  what, Martin Harris, you actually have a really good
• 34:58
  point. He he said that I was like,
• 35:00
  you're, you're this close to getting it.
• 35:02
  Dude, seriously. And then it's like, and then
• 35:05
  which is also a weird thing for them to like save to the end,
• 35:08
  which I kind of guess I get why they did because you get a feel
• 35:11
  good moment to end it. But whenever they're all praying
• 35:14
  to see the plates and the angels, which would have been
• 35:17
  nice to see, especially coming from a religion where they make
• 35:20
  it abundantly clear, hey, all of these beings have bodies and
• 35:23
  like you interact with them and you see them and you can talk to
• 35:25
  them. Everybody's just a Dang big
• 35:28
  white ray of God light. Everything, every good moment,
• 35:33
  is just like. We're not going to show you
• 35:34
  this. Yeah.
• 35:35
  Which again I get. Yeah, which again I get.
• 35:38
  It's like they probably just didn't have the budget then
• 35:40
  don't put it in. Maybe, I don't know, crazy
• 35:43
  thought. I put this down, so go ahead.
• 35:45
  You know the story and they address in the movie, Martin
• 35:48
  Harris asks Joseph Smith. Like, hey, my wife keeps bugging
• 35:52
  me about this Lucy Harris. Like let me show her the
• 35:54
  manuscript. And Joseph Smith is like, hey,
• 35:56
  why don't you tell Lucy to shut up?
• 35:57
  That essentially literally. Yeah, sorry, go.
• 35:59
  And he's like, you know, whatever.
• 36:01
  And and Joseph let's him take the pages to Lucy Harris and
• 36:04
  then, you know, she of course hides the pages to see if Joseph
• 36:08
  could rewrite, to see if it was divine.
• 36:11
  And of course, he didn't. Which kind of a smart move.
• 36:14
  Wait, hold up, is that like a confirmed historical?
• 36:16
  Fact. Yeah, that happened.
• 36:17
  That's the the South Park episode where?
• 36:19
  So wait, because that never comes up in the movie.
• 36:22
  That's that's when Martin Harris loses the document.
• 36:24
  No, I know, but we never see where Lucy Harris is.
• 36:27
  Like I hid them to see if she would but.
• 36:29
  But is that like known? Yeah.
• 36:31
  Lucy Harris basically was like, OK, and I don't know if she hid
• 36:35
  them, maybe she lost them, I don't know.
• 36:37
  But the idea behind it was, hey if this if this is divinely
• 36:41
  inspired, you can just recreate it.
• 36:43
  And he couldn't. And he couldn't the.
• 36:45
  The story goes that God took the prophethood away from them for
• 36:49
  like 6 months and then, oh, there's a different book now,
• 36:52
  Yeah, and I'll write this one. Wait seriously?
• 36:55
  That's the legitimately would happen?
• 36:57
  I had no idea because also that's not at all in the movie.
• 36:59
  Yeah, no. Why would they?
• 37:00
  Why? Would they put that?
• 37:01
  Why would they put that? In the but I I I bring that up
• 37:03
  because the movie shows Joseph Smith using the seer stone to
• 37:07
  see like where people are at on their journey, right?
• 37:10
  Like whenever that it was it David Whitner that came to his
• 37:13
  house and he was like, yeah, you stayed at this inn, and this inn
• 37:16
  is owned by this. Person, which again, which is a
• 37:19
  wild thing for somebody who inevitably, you know, and I'm
• 37:21
  not. And I've seen some people and I
• 37:23
  don't know how you feel about this, but I've seen some people
• 37:24
  say some things about the death of Joseph Smith.
• 37:26
  OK, OK, but where are we going? No, but just if you have this
• 37:31
  prophetic ability, especially for like, and I don't want to be
• 37:35
  whatever, but for stupid stuff like, hey, where did David
• 37:38
  Whitmer stay last night? Can't you maybe, I don't know,
• 37:41
  get yourself out of a position where you're gunned down in a
• 37:44
  jail? Can't you maybe, I don't know,
• 37:45
  find the manuscript that Lucy Harris hid?
• 37:49
  Just seems like a really weird arbitrary.
• 37:51
  She's a woman in the 18. Hundreds.
• 37:52
  She couldn't have gone far to hide it.
• 37:54
  You just look into the stone. Oh, Barry.
• 37:56
  Also, you definitely get a good bit like here and there in the
• 37:58
  movie of men being like, why don't you shut up the women?
• 38:01
  And then they're like, OK, and you're like, OK, well, that's a
• 38:03
  bit that's I didn't really like that, but all right.
• 38:07
  Because Martin Harris for a certain point, which is kind of
• 38:10
  a funny, but whatever. Because Martin Harris brings
• 38:12
  back the manuscript or whatever and he's reading it to people
• 38:16
  and it looks like some people are vibing with it.
• 38:18
  And then the next scene is Lucy like reading it, giggling with
• 38:21
  her friends, mad funny. And then he comes up and Martin
• 38:24
  Harris is crying because he always cries in this Dang movie.
• 38:27
  But he's like, you know, this is serious, Lucy.
• 38:30
  And she's like, all right, OK, come on.
• 38:33
  Is it? And then that's whenever he's
• 38:34
  like, why don't you shut up, Lucy?
• 38:35
  And she's like, OK. And then it's just like tootling
• 38:39
  down to the next scene. This was a.
• 38:42
  Piece of conflict, and now it's. I hate that court scene, by the
• 38:45
  way, that God awful court seat. It also makes it it 'cause they
• 38:49
  don't say it at all. But it also has such a vibe
• 38:51
  that, like the judge and the defending attorney and probably
• 38:55
  a bunch of the people in the court are just Mormons because
• 38:58
  they don't want to hear what the prosecution has to say.
• 39:01
  Like the whole thing is like, can we just talk to Martin
• 39:03
  Harris? And then it's like, well, yeah,
• 39:05
  his right hand guy, he's just going to, like, jerk him off the
• 39:08
  whole time on the Dang thing. And he's just like, it was
• 39:12
  crazy. It's like, whoa, why is this in
• 39:14
  court? No, sorry.
• 39:15
  Sorry. Yeah, guys.
• 39:17
  My apologies. Can we can we get to the
• 39:18
  polygamy Part 2? Sure.
• 39:20
  Because it's it's like that line.
• 39:21
  I like to think that the people that made this film in an
• 39:26
  attempt to get ex Mormons or people that, you know, have
• 39:29
  never been Mormon, like interested.
• 39:31
  Like, hey, we're going to be fair in this.
• 39:34
  Yeah, we're we're not. We're not keeping anything out.
• 39:36
  And it's like a 2 minute scene of Oliver Calendry coming to
• 39:40
  Joseph Smith. Like you're cheating on your
• 39:42
  wife with Fannie Alger and Joseph Smith.
• 39:44
  Just like meh. Well, and it it's a decent line
• 39:47
  because he's like, you know, Fannie Alger, your housemate, or
• 39:49
  should I say your new bride or something.
• 39:51
  And it literally is literally Joseph Smith does this, OK, He's
• 39:54
  like this. He's like, it's a part of the
• 39:57
  new covenant and then that's it. And then that's it, Oliver.
• 40:00
  Calder, he called it. In real life, what do you call
• 40:02
  it? He called Joseph Smith's
• 40:04
  relation with Fannie Alger a dirty, nasty, filthy affair.
• 40:08
  Nice. Like, verbatim, right?
• 40:10
  They could have put that in the movie.
• 40:11
  That would have been well, especially because there's
• 40:13
  dissension. So why not?
• 40:14
  Just because I'm sure that was a part of it.
• 40:17
  I'm sure some whatever. But yeah, it's just like a 2
• 40:20
  minute scene of like, hey, you're doing this and he's like
• 40:22
  God said. To me, it doesn't make me
• 40:24
  believe the Book of Mormon that some people who knew all the
• 40:27
  faults of Joseph Smith and how he wasn't trustworthy and how he
• 40:31
  led the church to do all these bad things.
• 40:33
  We're still just like, but you know what?
• 40:35
  I believe the Book of Mormon, bully for you.
• 40:37
  What does that mean? All you've shown me Martin
• 40:39
  Harris, who has his big moment in some other church where he's
• 40:42
  like, no, I know the and by the way, that's the level of acting.
• 40:47
  No, I know the Book of Mormon to be true.
• 40:51
  It's like, cool, you're a sucker right now.
• 40:55
  Whatever. Let me ask you this.
• 40:57
  Do you think, because I think I have a pretty firm position on
• 41:00
  this, do you think that they actually saw something or at the
• 41:04
  very least that Joseph Smith actually saw something?
• 41:06
  Or do you think it was all a con?
• 41:10
  Because I I genuine just to give my thoughts.
• 41:13
  I think they could have seen something.
• 41:14
  I think. Because I do think there's
• 41:16
  there's something to a degree because people whenever you
• 41:19
  attack that will then be like, well, OK, well then why does it
• 41:22
  matter that the apostles didn't give up Christ and like recant
• 41:27
  Christianity whenever they were tortured?
• 41:29
  OK, I do think there's something to people who like under threat
• 41:33
  of death or under threat of whatever won't recant certain
• 41:36
  things. Sure.
• 41:37
  So I do wonder if they saw something.
• 41:41
  I I think it was a con. The whole thing.
• 41:43
  I because they're I saw this recently.
• 41:46
  There were stories of it published in newspapers back in
• 41:50
  the 1800s of Joseph Smith dressing in a white sheet and
• 41:54
  pretending to be the Holy Ghost at baptisms.
• 41:56
  No way. I swear it like.
• 41:58
  This is published. Was that like a thematic thing
• 42:00
  though? Like they were.
• 42:01
  Like it was legitimately like people were like he, he, he,
• 42:05
  he's trying to impress upon people.
• 42:07
  The Holy Ghost is here. You see the Holy Ghost and it
• 42:09
  like came out that it was. Him, which by the way, is
• 42:11
  another scene in the movie, which is supposed to be like a
• 42:14
  Oh my gosh, whenever he's talking to the reporter and he's
• 42:17
  like, is it possible that he just like hypnotized you or, or
• 42:21
  like, 'cause you see something and he stands up, this old man,
• 42:24
  he like stands up and he's like, which is so clearly and it's so
• 42:28
  annoying. Whenever they do this, they
• 42:29
  clearly insert maybe famous quotes to scenes where otherwise
• 42:34
  they were talking kind of normal.
• 42:35
  But whenever he's like, these eyes have seen and these ears
• 42:39
  have heard in the way, and it's like, OK, we that's what being
• 42:43
  tricked is nothing about. Yeah, You know what I mean?
• 42:47
  Whenever you're tricked, whenever you're tricked, you see
• 42:49
  stuff and you think there's something.
• 42:51
  You hear stuff and you think there's something.
• 42:52
  So I think it was a con. I think like, Oliver Caldari and
• 42:56
  and Whitmer were in on it, hence why Martin Harris had to, like,
• 42:59
  leave because like, oh, I'm the one that's hindering the vision,
• 43:03
  remember? And all the other guys were
• 43:04
  like, yeah, we saw it. Yeah, we saw it.
• 43:06
  But is it a historical thing that then Martin Harris just
• 43:09
  walked off and then Joseph just went and saw it with him?
• 43:12
  Yeah, and then Joseph came, and then they saw a vision.
• 43:16
  Joseph came tell you something. The sexual attention of this
• 43:19
  Dang movie. Hey, thanks so much for
• 43:22
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• 43:24
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• 43:37
  Crazy. Oh my gosh.
• 43:39
  It also doesn't help again, going back to the make Joseph
• 43:42
  Smith like this, like just absolute hunk again.
• 43:45
  He's always chopping wood. He's always right.
• 43:48
  He's always ready to Also, can I say this?
• 43:50
  This is such a weird thing to thank you.
• 43:53
  You see what he lets me. He lets me talk.
• 43:56
  Thank you man. Tootsies, we just touch toes.
• 44:01
  The worst not only are the sets terrible, not only is the acting
• 44:06
  terrible and the lighting and literally everything about this
• 44:08
  movie, the outfits are God awful, horrible wardrobe.
• 44:12
  Everything is even for people on the run, people who don't have
• 44:16
  much. Everything is like they just
• 44:18
  bought it yesterday because they did and it just looks like dog
• 44:22
  water, but it also helps the Super like supposed to be super
• 44:28
  handsome, super like obviously this movie is such AI texted
• 44:31
  Josh this and I even wrote it in my notes and to be fair to the
• 44:34
  movie. I want to give it its credit.
• 44:35
  I said this right before he did do some stuff that the movie
• 44:39
  points out he was wrong about, but this movie for 75% of it is
• 44:43
  the Joseph Smith never did anything wrong movie.
• 44:45
  Never. Literally he's right about
• 44:47
  everything and he's the. Only one.
• 44:49
  Like there's a part where I forget which character, but
• 44:51
  someone's like so and so had a vision, or so and so had a
• 44:54
  prophecy. And Joseph's like.
• 44:55
  No. No, dude, he literally it's just
• 44:58
  me. They're having like a normal
• 45:00
  human conversation where they talk like people and then all of
• 45:03
  a sudden he like walks off to the corner and turns around and
• 45:05
  he goes. No one else shall give divine
• 45:08
  revelation other than Joseph Smith.
• 45:11
  Thus says the Lord. I'm sure that's a real quote.
• 45:14
  What a weird thing to introduce in a conversation and all the
• 45:18
  other guys. And again, it would we talked
• 45:20
  about this with the God's Not Dead movies.
• 45:23
  There are ways to where you can still like stay true to whatever
• 45:26
  you're trying to have come across, but actually have like
• 45:30
  genuine pushback or actually have like a bit of dissent
• 45:34
  because there could so easily be moments.
• 45:36
  And you have little bits of it in this movie where people are
• 45:39
  like, and I don't know anything about Mormonism.
• 45:42
  Fair enough to a degree of like the what the actual Book of
• 45:44
  Mormon says or what they've what they teach or preach.
• 45:47
  But whenever the other guys are like, yeah, but you said that
• 45:49
  like any St. could have all knowledge or you said anybody
• 45:53
  could receive divine revelation or whatever the actual
• 45:56
  terminology. In due time.
• 45:58
  Well, he's like in proper order, and it's like, oh, so only
• 46:02
  through you. Yeah.
• 46:03
  Right, Right. Oh, very interesting, very
• 46:06
  convenient. Which, yeah, the whole movie,
• 46:08
  Joseph Smith, all American guy. He's he's whatever, but he's
• 46:12
  kind of like a douche to like I wrote down Joseph Smith is kind
• 46:17
  of a douche. He treats everyone like crap
• 46:19
  around him. Yep.
• 46:20
  He's very petty and demanding. There's not even really a plot
• 46:23
  or any kind of story or character development.
• 46:26
  There's no like real. Well, there's no character
• 46:28
  development. There's the plot in so far as
• 46:30
  like, I mean, I guess it's about the Book of Mormon being
• 46:34
  written. And then also they kind of gloss
• 46:36
  over because Martin or not Martin Harris, David Whitmer
• 46:40
  talks about that like his next big venture was going to be
• 46:44
  restoring the Bible. And is that in?
• 46:47
  I don't. Remember that.
• 46:49
  About him saying that, Oh yeah, he was like, oh, and then he's
• 46:51
  going to the restoration of the Bible.
• 46:54
  And I was wondering because I know there's a famous Joseph
• 46:56
  Smith translation where he like, changes it, which I'm sure would
• 47:01
  be another demerit, but God forbid.
• 47:03
  No, can't have that in there. But no, to be fair to the movie,
• 47:07
  they do show that like everything that happened at what
• 47:09
  was the town. They were in multiple towns.
• 47:11
  The bank was in Kirtland, OH, Kirtland.
• 47:13
  That Kirtland was all his fault because and then they even try
• 47:17
  to. Which also another historical
• 47:18
  fact for you, the bank in Kirtland that they set up,
• 47:21
  Joseph Smith gave an like an audible.
• 47:24
  It was one of the first times he said I've audibly heard from God
• 47:28
  that this bank will not fail. Like he tells all these people
• 47:32
  this. So like in the movie, you see
• 47:33
  that And I'm sure that's how people were.
• 47:35
  They were like you told us that, like you heard from God.
• 47:37
  And then he comes in and he's like, who told you that?
• 47:40
  And then everybody's like, yo, no, but well, you would normal
• 47:44
  human beings would say that. But in the movie they're like,
• 47:46
  oh wait, he's so no one did. Something to me I can't say.
• 47:48
  Oh my God. Isn't one of the requirements in
• 47:50
  the Bible that a prophet is never wrong?
• 47:53
  Yeah, in the book of Deuteronomy, it talks and that's
• 47:55
  what people will often throw it figures like Joseph Smith, I
• 47:59
  forget the exact verse. Whoever knows that, they can
• 48:01
  cite it. But it it does talk about like,
• 48:03
  if anybody ever comes to you and then they're wrong, like Old
• 48:07
  Testament, you're supposed to kill them.
• 48:09
  Or at the very least you're supposed to push them out.
• 48:12
  I have good news about how this story is.
• 48:14
  Josh. Josh.
• 48:15
  No, no, I don't think. I don't know.
• 48:19
  Because didn't he? Do you know why he was thrown in
• 48:22
  jail? OK, tell me why.
• 48:23
  I don't know it real quick. Real quick.
• 48:26
  Something that's not in the movie at all is didn't he also
• 48:28
  like try to like take over a town?
• 48:31
  I think he. Well, he became mayor, right?
• 48:33
  Nahu. Yes.
• 48:34
  Was it Nahu that he became the mayor?
• 48:35
  Pretty sure. Because he.
• 48:37
  Well, I know he wanted to become not Nahu.
• 48:39
  Well, well now to be I'll be again.
• 48:42
  I'll be the Dang devil's advocate in this episode.
• 48:45
  A lot of stuff in Star Wars are also just names ripped out of
• 48:47
  the Bible like Endor and well no, that's Lord of the Rings,
• 48:52
  but Star Wars has a. There's not like an indoor.
• 48:55
  I thought there was an indoor in Star Wars.
• 48:56
  Tattooy Obi Wan. No, there is an indoor.
• 49:02
  I think the in Star Wars it's the it's the ice planet.
• 49:05
  No, that's Hoth indoors, like the forest, isn't it?
• 49:07
  Yes. With, like, the little right.
• 49:08
  Wow. Whatever.
• 49:09
  I played a ton of Star Wars Battlefront 2 growing up, dude.
• 49:11
  Like, in the thick of the recession, my parents were
• 49:14
  stressed over the table trying to pay bills.
• 49:16
  Yeah, All right, Joseph, calm down.
• 49:18
  Thick place. Oh my God.
• 49:20
  Smith ASMR ready to go? Yeah, got these.
• 49:22
  I've got these thick blades. Sarah come back to bed so I can
• 49:25
  have sex with my. Friend.
• 49:26
  Yeah, you're right. I'm.
• 49:27
  Gonna have sex with. Sarah and go with her with the
• 49:29
  ewalks. The Angel.
• 49:31
  The ewks. Yeah, the ewks.
• 49:32
  Yeah, anyway. I was.
• 49:35
  I was not talking about. I don't know, you're about to
• 49:37
  bring something now. Oh, it was Joseph Smith.
• 49:41
  Or he was mayor. Oh, why he was.
• 49:43
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just double checking.
• 49:45
  Go ahead. Yeah.
• 49:46
  So it was Nevu Nevu, Illinois. And so he's, he's becomes mayor
• 49:50
  because they're taking over the town and he wanted to be
• 49:52
  president, right? Yeah, he ran for the president.
• 49:56
  Thankfully, he didn't get it. So he, he's mayor of this town.
• 50:01
  And the, the Nauvoo, they had one printing press to, to
• 50:05
  produce their newspaper 'cause it was a sizeable enough town.
• 50:08
  This sounds familiar. And the people in the town were
• 50:10
  like rightfully like as any news journalist would like.
• 50:14
  Hey, we're publishing stories on how you're practicing polygamy.
• 50:19
  So they're making stories. And Joseph Smith had the
• 50:21
  printing press destroyed. Like, he just completely like
• 50:25
  destroyed. I don't know whose property that
• 50:26
  would have technically been. Because how dare you, yeah.
• 50:29
  How, How could you write this about me?
• 50:30
  So they were like, you can't do that and they put him in jail,
• 50:33
  which totally normal. Which is also, I mean, not even
• 50:37
  probably back. And then the Lord knows how much
• 50:40
  a printing press was. Dude, insanely.
• 50:43
  Oh my gosh, yeah. So, yeah, they put him in jail,
• 50:45
  which in in, in the stories like this, you know, he's a martyr
• 50:48
  and he's dying for his face. Like you just you did that now
• 50:51
  but committed a crime. OK, but then what happened
• 50:53
  between that and him being shot to death in jail?
• 50:57
  I mean, you know, you get, you get the guy that you want behind
• 51:00
  bars, so you can't go nowhere. So, OK, now to be fair to the
• 51:04
  Mormons, was it that they were like, OK, we got him in jail for
• 51:07
  a legitimate thing, now we're just going to kind?
• 51:09
  Of. I'm sure that's probably what.
• 51:10
  It was, Oh well, son of a gun. Well, that doesn't really change
• 51:13
  too much. To be fair, he also had a gun.
• 51:16
  The movie didn't show him with the gun in the jail.
• 51:17
  He had a gun. Yeah, didn't somebody sneak it
• 51:19
  to him? Yeah, he like snuck a gun in or
• 51:21
  something. Also, did he OK?
• 51:23
  Was it only a part of the nightmare sequence that he like,
• 51:25
  fell out of the window or did he die in the jail?
• 51:28
  I thought he died in the jail. I thought.
• 51:29
  He fell out of the window. Yeah, I think that was just like
• 51:32
  the nightmare sequence, which is funny because I'm not that he
• 51:35
  whatever, but it's funny in the nightmare sequence that he like
• 51:39
  lands and it wakes up. Who's the guy?
• 51:42
  The name Oliver, Oliver Cowdry. And in his own nightmare
• 51:46
  sequence, he's like running home and he tells his wife he's dead
• 51:50
  and she's like who? And he's like Joseph And it's
• 51:53
  like and she's like, oh, that guy you've been D riding for
• 51:57
  years. Oh, did he die?
• 51:58
  Oh, son of a gun. Oh, no.
• 52:01
  And then he has his big triumphant return to the church
• 52:03
  and they're just like sitting in a field, which I'm sure plenty
• 52:06
  of churches did that. But it is funny how it's like 9
• 52:08
  people and he's like, Oh no. And it would have been funny if
• 52:11
  they just beat the hell out of him.
• 52:13
  They're like you piece of garbage you get out of here.
• 52:15
  There's no way any of the women like that were the wives to
• 52:19
  these like notable men or whatever.
• 52:20
  There's no way any any of them were on board with any of this.
• 52:23
  Like they probably all like met up while the dudes were out or
• 52:26
  ever. Had an orgasm?
• 52:30
  Probably not that really. They were probably just like, oh
• 52:32
  cool, another wife. Hey, have fun, have fun.
• 52:34
  Get used to knitting. Like when the boys are just
• 52:36
  like, we're going to go into the forest and look for more magical
• 52:39
  plates that the wives are all like, you want to hang out and
• 52:41
  they're just like, Can you believe that they're doing this?
• 52:43
  My gosh, why do their Why does their breath always smell like
• 52:46
  penis? Whatever.
• 52:46
  Is it true that Joseph Smith started SWIG?
• 52:51
  I don't know if he did. I heard that.
• 52:53
  I mean, he started it by, I guess, banning coffee.
• 52:56
  That was a part of a another revelation, right?
• 52:59
  Or was that not him? I'm.
• 53:01
  Pretty sure that was him. I think that's in the Doctrine
• 53:05
  and Covenants, which ironically enough is another part of Canon
• 53:09
  for Mormons, another book that I know for certain, like Oliver
• 53:14
  Calgary. And I think the other two
• 53:15
  witnesses were like, yeah, we don't subscribe to this.
• 53:19
  So they were like Book of Mormon.
• 53:20
  Great. And then Justice Smith's like,
• 53:21
  hey, I got some more. And they're like, all three of
• 53:24
  them were like nothing. Isn't it?
• 53:25
  Isn't it from Mormons? And you know, I could be wrong
• 53:28
  here. Isn't the prime aren't the
• 53:30
  primary text for like what they believe Book of Mormon?
• 53:33
  I mean, they'd probably say Bible, but Book of Mormon,
• 53:36
  Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great pride great.
• 53:39
  Prize and I think technically is the Book of Abraham in one of
• 53:43
  those. I don't think so.
• 53:45
  Well, isn't the Book of Abraham? That's the one that someone
• 53:47
  brought him. Actual Egyptian and he
• 53:50
  completely incorrectly translated.
• 53:52
  Well, then, I'm sure they don't. I'm sure.
• 53:53
  No, but they like there's people that will defend it like he he
• 53:57
  tried to like. Translate but hold up anyways no
• 53:59
  yeah cuz none of this is in the movie again I want I mean look I
• 54:01
  knew that this would they were all you know you know I know you
• 54:04
  know who we're getting into but look man this.
• 54:08
  Movie sucks this movie sucked and I.
• 54:10
  Pissed me off because I was really not like, I wasn't like,
• 54:14
  Oh yeah, I can't wait to watch the Josephs.
• 54:16
  But I was kind of like, maybe this will be good.
• 54:19
  Maybe this at the very least. I thought it was newer so I was
• 54:21
  like OK like 2021, this might actually kind of slap.
• 54:24
  We should have known what the Dang God's not a dead movie is.
• 54:26
  We should have known because the newest one of those is like,
• 54:28
  what, 2023? Yeah, garbage.
• 54:30
  So I'll conclude I guess my thoughts, unless you want to
• 54:32
  keep talking about it with this. I want to know what you want to
• 54:35
  give it out of 10. Say that first.
• 54:37
  Say say what I want to give it out of 10 first 1 1/2.
• 54:42
  I'm being very nice and I'm going to stick with what I wrote
• 54:44
  in my notes because I'm also thinking in comparison to what
• 54:49
  we've watched before, I'm going to, I'm going to give it a four.
• 54:54
  Wow. I'm going to give it a four out
• 54:56
  of 10 because here's the thing. I was able to watch it and I was
• 55:00
  able to be like, OK, this is happening.
• 55:02
  And there were, there were, there were Nuggets here and
• 55:05
  there, but none of it was like very good.
• 55:06
  Maybe I'd say a three. But yeah, that's and that's and
• 55:09
  that is me being very nice. And the acting was horrendous
• 55:14
  and everything was bad. The plot was horrendous.
• 55:17
  Well, the plot was like the plot was exactly what I expected it
• 55:20
  to be, but. It was just so all over the
• 55:22
  place. It's like, can we like we, we
• 55:24
  know the story, You're not having to write the story.
• 55:27
  I like the quotes by the reporter at the end because
• 55:30
  again, that does go back to what I have no doubt about of like
• 55:33
  because I like how the reporter he and I've never read his thing
• 55:37
  obviously, but whatever he is like look, regardless what you
• 55:40
  believe, you can't walk away from like David Whitmer thinking
• 55:46
  that he's like lying to you, which again, which I think I
• 55:48
  said my position on the whole thing.
• 55:50
  I do think that something appeared to them.
• 55:53
  At the very least, something appeared to Joseph.
• 55:54
  OK, so your team I'm team appearance or whatever.
• 55:58
  Devil, I'm team like like this was it.
• 56:00
  It was, yeah, the same thing I am with Muhammad.
• 56:03
  I think these people, which for both of them, I don't know so
• 56:07
  much about Muhammad, but for someone like a Joseph Smith, who
• 56:10
  it was just like failure after failure for a lot of stuff and
• 56:14
  then ends in his like terrible death, which I mean, regardless
• 56:17
  of what I think about him, really bad way to die and never
• 56:21
  recants any of it or like whatever, I think something
• 56:25
  happened. That's just what I think.
• 56:27
  And I say that knowing that he has his past with like con men
• 56:30
  stuff and also just the blatant lies that we know.
• 56:33
  But I think two things can be true at the same time.
• 56:35
  Sure. I'll leave you with this quote.
• 56:38
  OK. Because the movie at the end
• 56:41
  makes it seem like Joseph Smith and like all the three witnesses
• 56:44
  were all chummy again. And we're buddies because we we
• 56:46
  had some, we had a little bit. Of whenever he's out chopping
• 56:48
  wood again, again, and he's like, send a note to the young
• 56:52
  boy he's with who he wants to write stuff, by the way.
• 56:54
  And he's like just into alone in the woods.
• 56:56
  Yeah, let's go out there and chop wood.
• 57:00
  Yeah. And he's like, I want you to
• 57:02
  write a letter to Oliver Cowdry. And he's like, tell him to come
• 57:06
  back or whatever. And it's like, OK, OK.
• 57:08
  Yeah, let me tell you what really happened.
• 57:10
  Here's a quote from Joseph Smith.
• 57:13
  Such characters as David Whitmer, Oliver Caldery and
• 57:17
  Martin Harris are too mean to mention and we had like to have
• 57:21
  forgotten them. That's the complete opposite of
• 57:25
  what they like have come across in the movie.
• 57:27
  I'm also pretty sure he Joseph Smith called one of them a
• 57:30
  literal ass. I forget.
• 57:32
  Like that's his quote. Wonderful.
• 57:33
  That's. Beautiful.
• 57:34
  I will not bleep that. Out No, no, because it's Joseph
• 57:36
  Smith's work. That's a historical quote.
• 57:38
  Historically, I think it was David Whitner.
• 57:40
  He was like even like in biblical times, like people had
• 57:43
  to do it like an ass. And he's like, you know, I had
• 57:45
  to deal with David Wittner with a poor ass at that.
• 57:47
  That's actually kind of. Funny I I.
• 57:49
  Mean it was a sick burn like yeah, yeah, but it's just like
• 57:52
  the movies like they're all buddies again and they're all
• 57:54
  happy and it's we. Should have like a more beefing.
• 57:56
  We should have an episode, probably not the next one, but
• 57:59
  we should have a more dedicated episode of like our thoughts on
• 58:02
  Mormonism to a degree of because there are some things.
• 58:05
  At the very least, I'll give it this where it is like, OK, but I
• 58:09
  think everybody should go watch the debate between Jacob Hanson
• 58:13
  and Trent Holt. That you're saying trend logic.
• 58:15
  No. Well, but I think.
• 58:17
  I guess that ones not really. That ones not really about like
• 58:20
  Mormonism, Yeah. It's just more so on the
• 58:21
  Trinity, because I think Trent Horn is an incredible debater,
• 58:25
  and I think Jacob Hanson is a good debater.
• 58:27
  I think he's the best Mormon debater I've ever seen.
• 58:29
  And in that one, I'm gonna give him his credit.
• 58:32
  And I, I've said this in videos before, I think he, I think he
• 58:35
  has Trent on the ropes for a lot of it.
• 58:37
  And I think I don't think Trent necessarily loses, but there are
• 58:39
  some things where it's like, you know what, fair enough.
• 58:41
  Maybe I don't have the best way to come to a conclusion about
• 58:44
  that. I still think it's false.
• 58:46
  I don't think they're Christians.
• 58:47
  I think, you know, ABC or D, whatever.
• 58:49
  But there are some things where, and I think that's why I learn
• 58:52
  more towards the demonic influence because there are just
• 58:57
  some things where I'm like, Oh my God, how did he, how did this
• 59:00
  happen? How?
• 59:01
  How is this this way blah blah blah.
• 59:02
  Well, the all those in favor guys, one of one of them just
• 59:05
  texted me today and was like, hey, what if we came to Dallas
• 59:08
  joint pod so we can have a serious episode?
• 59:10
  OK. I mean, I know that they're like
• 59:13
  Mormon apologists, I feel like. Yeah, well, they're definitely
• 59:15
  Mormon apologists. And then you know more about
• 59:17
  Mormonism than I do, so it would be a lot of me just being there,
• 59:19
  like. Oh, OK, we have to just be like,
• 59:21
  hey fellas, we're here to chum it up and we're gonna make fun
• 59:25
  of you. And it's not a debate.
• 59:26
  Yeah. And just kind of take it so
• 59:28
  well. You can make fun of.
• 59:29
  Make fun of us when I know. Yeah, I know who I am.
• 59:32
  I know what I am. I know what I am.
• 59:34
  Yeah, yeah. I'm a little bit of a if Joseph
• 59:37
  Smith is a douche, I'm kind. Of a douche, dude.
• 59:39
  I mean, I think if anything's made abundantly clear about this
• 59:41
  podcast, we're pretty much douches.
• 59:43
  But you know what? And you know, thinking about
• 59:45
  this movie and thinking about all the things in the movie and
• 59:47
  the the history around it gets me a little bit bunched up, all
• 59:50
  right? Gets me, if I'm being honest,
• 59:51
  not in the best mood. But you know what always
• 59:53
  relaxes? Me.
• 59:54
  What relaxes you? Pokémon Go, Pokémon let's Go.
• 59:57
  Gotta catch em. All gotta catch em, gotta get
• 1:00:00
  em. Gotta RIP the hearts out.
• 1:00:02
  Gotta pray to God that we make our money back destiny.
• 1:00:06
  Rivals Matt's kids aren't gonna eat.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah, they're gonna have to chew on his leather wallet.
• 1:00:14
  Become a member. Become a member.
• 1:00:17
  Computer, computer, computer. Make them become a OK.
• 1:00:21
  No, a computer me ain't can be. Keep on with the, keep on with
• 1:00:23
  the. Song.
• 1:00:24
  Oh, keep going with the song. I probably should have opened
• 1:00:26
  those before. Thanks though.
• 1:00:28
  Sorry about that here. I'm going to be, I guess, the
• 1:00:30
  Joker while you're doing that. I'll be the Joker if he was
• 1:00:33
  Mormon like Batman. What do you mean I can't have
• 1:00:41
  multiple celestial wives when I'm in heaven?
• 1:00:46
  The Batman believes in the. Batman's canonically Catholic.
• 1:00:50
  The Batman believes in monogamy and he thinks that the
• 1:00:54
  prophethood. He thinks that the Pope, what's
• 1:00:58
  his name? Leo Hope Leo.
• 1:01:02
  The prophethood is clearly extended through Joseph Smith
• 1:01:05
  and Brigham Young. These are sexy.
• 1:01:08
  I'm not going to lie, I love. I love PAX so much.
• 1:01:11
  You love Pax. Some cool stuff.
• 1:01:14
  I was at my parents' house over the weekend and then we went to
• 1:01:18
  my grandma's and her. Her second husband fought in
• 1:01:22
  World War Two, really. And so he had like.
• 1:01:25
  Side. Good, good guys hide, good guys
• 1:01:29
  hide American. And he had like this coin bucket
• 1:01:34
  and I was going through it and there was like a ton of like pre
• 1:01:37
  World War 2 Japanese currency in there.
• 1:01:40
  Really. I was just like, wow, like this
• 1:01:41
  is so sick. Wasn't worth anything because
• 1:01:45
  they like mass produced it or whatever.
• 1:01:47
  But it was just kind of like, whoa, like the, the Japanese
• 1:01:49
  were like a they were a fierce people before World War 2.
• 1:01:54
  Dude, and we've, we've talked about this before.
• 1:01:56
  We would like to do kind of like more some like history centric
• 1:02:00
  episodes where we both kind of pick like an event and kind of
• 1:02:03
  have like, oh, this is Josh's episode where he talks about no,
• 1:02:08
  that's nothing. That's all right.
• 1:02:09
  I mean good Pokémon, good Pokémon, not a good card pack.
• 1:02:12
  One pack, One pack 11 and done is what I say.
• 1:02:16
  Oh my gosh, he packed all over the floor, blazing.
• 1:02:19
  No blazing we should do. But yeah, we want to do episodes
• 1:02:25
  where we kind of talk about like historical subjects, You know,
• 1:02:28
  we'll have our, we'll have our bits and our bobs where we're
• 1:02:30
  joking around, we're kidding around, we're goofing, we're
• 1:02:34
  goofing. Yeah, no, but it was just cool.
• 1:02:37
  It was like a time in history is like, Dang, we for real dropped
• 1:02:41
  two bombs on like a bunch of people.
• 1:02:44
  You know, what's funny is how my feelings about the the atom
• 1:02:48
  bombs have kind of like changed throughout the years because I,
• 1:02:52
  I, I had a time which I'm interested actually to hear your
• 1:02:55
  thoughts. Then I had a time.
• 1:02:56
  We're on. The same page here.
• 1:02:58
  Where I, I had a time where I was very much, I was like, man,
• 1:03:01
  maybe we overdid it. Maybe we maybe we kind of, maybe
• 1:03:05
  we kind of did a bit much. And then whenever you learn
• 1:03:07
  about Japan, what they were doing, what they were planning
• 1:03:11
  on doing, and they're kind of mindset at the time, there is
• 1:03:14
  something where it's like we kind of had to put them in their
• 1:03:16
  place. I remember watching Oppenheimer
• 1:03:19
  which great film. Nothing, Nothing neither 10
• 1:03:22
  Let's try. That's OK.
• 1:03:23
  Sick Pokémon. Though that is, that is dumb.
• 1:03:25
  That's tough. I remember watching Oppenheimer
• 1:03:28
  and in Oppenheimer you, you just remember because like you, you
• 1:03:32
  kind of learn about this stuff in school and if you don't keep
• 1:03:34
  up with it, it's kind of like mumbo jumbo.
• 1:03:36
  Sure. Like I was reminded during
• 1:03:37
  Oppenheimer, like, Oh yeah, we had already defeated Hitler in
• 1:03:41
  Germany when we dropped the bombs.
• 1:03:44
  So I was like, what were we still beefing with Japan?
• 1:03:46
  Like what was going on? And I, I was just kind of
• 1:03:50
  Googling like, what was Japan doing?
• 1:03:52
  And it was like, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
• 1:03:54
  They were like invading, you know, the Koreas, China,
• 1:03:58
  torturing people like. In the worst ways possible.
• 1:04:00
  Like you can, I'm not going to mention on the pod, you can
• 1:04:03
  Google it. So it was like they're still
• 1:04:06
  doing all this. And basically the United States
• 1:04:09
  had to make the decision of like, hey, we're still in this
• 1:04:12
  conflict with them, and now they're like in conflict with
• 1:04:14
  us. So they're not going to stop.
• 1:04:15
  We either have to invade. No, nothing.
• 1:04:19
  That's all right, y'all. That's all.
• 1:04:20
  Right. We either have to invade Japan
• 1:04:23
  and like then it it's still going to be civilian casualties,
• 1:04:25
  but now a lot of American casualties or we just kind of
• 1:04:28
  bomb them and and hope that that works.
• 1:04:31
  And I guess it worked. So it was like.
• 1:04:32
  It did work. It was still a very cruel thing
• 1:04:35
  to do. It's like we're we're doing a
• 1:04:38
  cruel thing to hopefully make them stop doing cruel things to
• 1:04:40
  innocent people. It's just, yeah.
• 1:04:43
  But it. Glad that wasn't my decision.
• 1:04:44
  I'll say one thing, we did drop the leaflets and I I've recently
• 1:04:48
  seen something that said that there's this Japanese guy on
• 1:04:52
  TikTok saying, hey, my great grandparents were there and they
• 1:04:56
  left because of those leaflets. Oh, we dropped the leaflets,
• 1:04:59
  Yeah. To clear the area.
• 1:05:00
  Saying hey, this is going to happen.
• 1:05:03
  Really. How much in advance do you do
• 1:05:05
  you know how much? I don't remember, I think it was
• 1:05:07
  like a couple weeks in advance. Magic.
• 1:05:09
  That's actually. Crazy.
• 1:05:10
  Like a week or two. Just like Russia's like, hey.
• 1:05:12
  To be fair. That would be nuts.
• 1:05:13
  And the government was like, do it.
• 1:05:15
  Well, to be fair, believed it. If you if all of a sudden
• 1:05:18
  leaflets fell out of the sky and they're like, just so you know,
• 1:05:19
  we're going to bomb this area, obviously, I mean, you're like,
• 1:05:23
  oh, we'll leave. I'm a head out for a month.
• 1:05:27
  How many people and maybe, you know, whatever.
• 1:05:30
  How many people can do that, though?
• 1:05:32
  How many people also, you're, you're living during a time of
• 1:05:35
  like literally a World War, the second one that's happened in
• 1:05:38
  not that many years. And you're, you're probably also
• 1:05:40
  of the mindset where you're like, well, this is probably
• 1:05:42
  propaganda. You're you're living in a an, in
• 1:05:45
  a land in, in a place where they are telling you like they're
• 1:05:48
  equating the emperor to literally like almost like a, a
• 1:05:52
  deified being, which how could he be wrong?
• 1:05:54
  How could he allow anything like this to ever happen?
• 1:05:57
  So I would imagine, like leaflets aside, there's a lot
• 1:06:02
  going on for why maybe some people wouldn't escape.
• 1:06:05
  With that being said, makes sense that a lot of people were
• 1:06:08
  probably like, hey, let's skedaddle because I don't think
• 1:06:11
  these Americans are messing around.
• 1:06:14
  And we weren't. Man, we weren't well.
• 1:06:17
  One more, two chance, baby. Back at it like a crack addict.
• 1:06:22
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• 1:06:25
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• 1:06:28
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• 1:06:32
  do so for as little put the cup down.
• 1:06:34
  What? Else you can get it Josh and the
• 1:06:36
  I'm. Gonna crush that in my hands.
• 1:06:37
  Josh. Give it to me.
• 1:06:38
  Let me see it. No, please.
• 1:06:40
  It's mine. Let me see it, though.
• 1:06:41
  For real. No, I'm not gonna hurt it.
• 1:06:42
  I'm gonna break it. Give me the I don't like this
• 1:06:46
  cup, and if you like Josh more than me, you'll buy this cup.
• 1:06:50
  See what I did? Your cup runneth over.
• 1:06:52
  Yeah, they're right there. You.
• 1:06:53
  Just destroy that thing I legitimate anyway.
• 1:06:55
  I mean you're the giant. I thought you could have broken
• 1:06:58
  it with your hands. I mean, I could.
• 1:06:59
  OK, look, I don't want to make a thing out of this.
• 1:07:01
  Also, I don't want to cut myself, but if I I could break
• 1:07:04
  this. Yeah, I know I could break this.
• 1:07:06
  OK, I don't want to get. I don't want to get too dude in
• 1:07:08
  my head. Josh and the giant
• 1:07:09
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• 1:07:12
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