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BimmerWorld! (James Clay) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Break Fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all
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  over the autos sphere, from wrench, turners, and racers to artists, authors,
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  designers, and everything in between.
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  Our goal is to inspire a new generation of Petrolhead that wonder how did they
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  get that job or become that person.
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  The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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  Ovarian motorworks, were in its native tongue Irish motor and VECA
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  ag, commonly referred to as BMW, as a German multinational corporation, which
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  produces luxury vehicles and motorcycles.
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  Founded in 1916 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines, BMW is now
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  one of the most common track cars you'll see on any given weekend.
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  And that's right Donovan.
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  So we've hinted many a time on Break Fix that we were going to have a BMW episode,
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  but it took us a while to find the right people to have this episode with.
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  And so joining me tonight is reoccurring guest on the Break Fix podcast, Donovan
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  Lara, CEO of Garage Riot, and BMW Aficionado, as well as returning guest,
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  James Clay, president of Bimmer World, to unpack the mystery in the world of
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  BMWs for all of our listeners out there.
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  So gentlemen, both of you, welcome to Break Fix yet again.
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  Thanks for having me back.
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  Yeah, thanks for having me.
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  And I'll tell you, it's no mystery.
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  BMW is just the most awesome manufacturer out there, so I don't
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  wanna shortcut the process, but you know, I'll go, I'll go right there.
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  They do tout themselves as the ultimate driving machine.
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  That was the ad campaign for a long time, and I think that's
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  a great way to lead into this.
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  So why BMW?
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  What is all the fuss about?
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  There always seems to be this allure and this mystique around BMW.
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  Isn't it just another.
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  German taxi cab, like a Mercedes or anything else that's underrated
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  overseas, so let's talk about it.
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  Well, I'll tell you, I've been in Audis for commercial shoots, some
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  of the stunt driving in those cars.
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  I've done that.
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  I've owned Porsches and I still own a Mercedes currently, and
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  my first experience with a German car was my girlfriend.
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  Of, of a long time ago is Volkswagen.
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  Um, see, I just wanna point out, it all starts with
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  Volkswagens at some point, right?
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  Which is pretty much a Porsche, right?
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  Same thing.
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  So, you know, immediately with that car it was a Volkswagen Jetta and like, uh,
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  second or third gen of those things, there was definitely something different.
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  And, and that was, that was my first experience with a German car.
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  There was definitely something different about, about the German
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  cars and, you know, there's, there's.
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  There's target markets and you know, clearly the, the Volkswagen was more
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  economical than, than A BMW at that point.
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  I was a, I was a college kid and had some student loans that I spent frivolously
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  and including on cars or a car.
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  So I had a little bit of money to spend and at that point I was
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  looking for something that was, was a performance car for me.
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  That meant, you know, I wanted a German car.
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  I clearly knew I wanted a German car because I'd worked on a number
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  of cars at that point, and they were just the easiest to deal with.
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  They were well laid out, they just made sense, easy to work on.
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  Okay.
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  I wanted a German car and I wanted a performance car, so that
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  kind of meant Porsche or BMW.
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  And as luck would have it, I almost got swept into the dark hole of
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  Porsche ownerships, which would've been a terrible experience based on
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  the Porsche I was buying at the time, because I was still a college kid
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  and I did not have money for that.
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  Yes.
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  So let me, let me guess.
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  I'm 9 44.
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  No, no.
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  Really?
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  Yeah.
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  No way dumber than that.
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  It was a 1998 roof, nine 11.
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  Ooh.
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  But it was affordable because it was a basket case, so I was
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  gonna buy it and put it together.
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  That was where the black hole comes from.
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  Ah, you know, now in my, in my later years, I, I recognize that would've
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  been a black hole no matter how that car had arrived, just because
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  Porsche ownership is more expensive.
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  You know, I did end up with A BMW and kind of the rest is history.
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  But after owning other cars, and, you know, I, I'm primarily a BMW
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  guy, but that's, that's all I really drive, all I really own.
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  After having experience with and owning a couple of of other
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  things, I will say that BMW.
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  Really does hit the perfect balance of German car, German
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  engineering performance, car cost effective, but not so luxury.
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  And you can infer whatever you want from those comments and as to what
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  other brands they might apply to.
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  But for me, BMW, it just is that perfect mix of all the things.
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  Donovan.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I think for me, you know, I, I did kind of grow up as
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  a Porsche guy, you know, as a kid.
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  I, I seemed to always have Porsche cars and toys and models and things,
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  and I remember I was probably, gosh, I don't know, 10 years old, and,
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  and a neighbor had a, uh, gosh, it was like a root beer colored 9 24.
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  And I used to go out there and take pictures of it.
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  I thought it was the coolest thing.
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  So I always thought, uh, and I am a Porsche guy still, but I always
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  thought that was gonna be my journey.
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  Went to college in, you know, Edson on, uh, on Garage Riot.
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  Had a, a three 18 is, I thought it was really cool.
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  And for me, you know, kind of growing up in the, in the era of, you know,
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  when BMWs were special, far as they were, they weren't very common.
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  You know, if, if you knew somebody that had a BMW oh my God.
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  Right.
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  That was amazing.
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  And, uh, another member of ours, uh, brains staying, his uncle in-law, I
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  suppose, had I think a three 20 or three series to the point that every
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  time he'd wash it, he'd take the wheels off and bring them inside and clean
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  them individually and take 'em outside.
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  You know, it was just, it was more special than to have a BMW than,
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  than it is a little bit maybe today.
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  So, you know, kind of grew up with that too.
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  And, you know, when, when I went to college and Edson had
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  his car, which was pretty.
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  Outstanding for a college kid.
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  I mean, it was a fairly new car at the time, you know, we became great friends
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  and I was kind of taken by, you know, BM bmw, so I worked one summer, worked two
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  jobs and, and saved up for my first car.
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  Uh, after my freshman year of college, I ended up buying a, an older BMWA three 20.
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  And for me, you know, that was kind of the, the entry point.
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  Although I had deviated, you know, I've come back and BM W's
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  always been a part of my life.
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  I was discouraged, I think in, in previous years of buying certain
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  models that, of course I own now that, you know, I paid a premium for it.
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  And I, I told my friends, you know.
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  Shut up and, and let me buy 'em.
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  I would've gotten into more.
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  But you know, there is a lifestyle aspect of it.
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  You know, there's the big events like the vintage and things that happen every
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  year and, you know, the clubs are pretty big and it's a cool, you know, kind
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  of enthusiast group to be a part of.
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  And James, I agree with you too, on, on some of those points around Mercedes is.
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  I, I think they're coming back from it now, but, you know, in the nineties they
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  were kind of the big luxury, you know, big seats kind of thing where BMW was
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  still a little more performance oriented for the most part, it seemed, and
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  Porsche is kind of its own thing, right?
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  I mean, it's, it's more sports car where BMW is more, it is
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  sports car, but it's also utility.
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  You can get the kids in the back, you know, you can go do those things and
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  you can still terrorize the track.
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  So for me, you know, it kind of caught me early and, you know, along with
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  Porsches, those, those both have always kinda been my passion with all three of
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  us being petrolheads of a certain age.
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  I too grew up in a similar era of vehicles, as you guys did.
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  And the vision I always had of BMWs to Donovan's point was.
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  There was almost a stereotype, like you were either a stockbroker and
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  you or middle manager and you owned A BMW or you were the guy wearing the
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  yellow polo shirt with the pink sweater wrapped around your shoulders and tied
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  in a knot off to the tennis court.
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  Right.
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  It had a certain ness, se quois about it.
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  Right.
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  It was like BMW again, there was this mystique.
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  It's like, who is this BMW owner?
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  Like you knew who all the GTI guys were, you know who all the Porsche guys were.
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  'cause they, they had Beatles at a previous life, you know, and there
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  was a certain, I guess, culture that grew up around all of those cars.
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  I grew up in a VW Audi family.
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  We've had VWs and Audis since the early sixties.
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  So it was a whole different kind of mindset.
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  You know, my definition of sporty versus yours is very different for me.
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  It didn't happen with BMW until the E 30 M three, everything else.
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  Before that, it was like, uh, reverse aerodynamic noses.
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  They're, they're boring, they're sedans.
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  If you want something sporty, get a GTI, I don't know why
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  anybody would buy A BMW right?
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  It, I would very hard to convince that BMW was the answer granted.
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  If you're looking for real world drive, it's the way to go.
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  And compared to a Mercedes, you guys are right.
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  It's, it's a lot more sporty, not nearly as luxurious or as powerful as
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  the AMGs or the Brasses or some of the other things that were out at the time.
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  Let's talk about each of your kind of collection of BMWs and maybe
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  some that stand out specifically.
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  Let's start with James.
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  Collection of B bmw.
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  So current ownership.
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  Sure.
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  You could talk about the past.
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  We can go back to the future.
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  Well, I will tell you that my life started with my BMW Life
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  started with an E 30 M three.
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  And you know, again, I was a college kid, but at that point
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  that stuff was attainable.
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  I had one with an engine swap because, uh, I bought it from a girl that
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  had blown up the motor, didn't check the oil, blew up the motor, 70,000
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  miles on the car, 10,000 on the motor because it had an engine swap.
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  It was a, it was a smoking deal.
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  I got it for, well, less than 10 grand.
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  And it, you know, interior and exterior was just perfect.
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  So that was my first love in the BMW world.
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  So that, that one's always special.
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  Almost currently, I just went through E 30 M three ownership again, and
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  it was very different this time.
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  So my first ownership of E 30 M three was.
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  Let's take this thing to the racetrack and just, you know, immediately I
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  started ripping weight out of the car and modifying this thing and
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  doing all the, and you know, it was just a rat, well, I say ratted out.
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  It was a track car that I drove on the street and because in college you don't
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  care and you do dumb stuff like that.
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  And it was awesome.
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  It was loud and the brakes squealed and everywhere I drove it, it,
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  those things make power in the high RPMs, but it didn't matter.
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  That's, that's where I lived.
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  I was gonna rev that thing out wherever.
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  My most recent E 30 M three ownership was this beautiful henna car, and
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  now I felt like a custodian of a car.
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  I wouldn't dare modify it.
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  It was tastefully modified.
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  It has, you know, Evo three rear spoiler, Evo two front, some little
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  Evo parts here and there, but it was.
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  Very stock.
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  You know, I had to be careful when I drove it and you know, it was,
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  it's not the BMW that I enjoy today.
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  You know, it, it may have been, but I would never do the things to it
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  that make me enjoy A-B-M-W-A lot of the time that I did back in the day.
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  So I sold the E 30 M three, but I do have that ridiculous E 36 Pikes Peak car.
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  The business has it.
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  So that's my influence and I get to drive it.
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  So I guess I can be the custodian of that one.
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  I have an E 36 wagon, which I love.
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  It's an E 36 touring with a E 39 M five motor, E 46 M three.
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  E nine, two and three.
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  So I, I'm an m Mcar guy and I'm a three series guy, so a three slash four series.
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  I've got, well, GT Moore is what we call it.
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  It's our project car on a, on an F eight X platform.
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  And, and I'm currently waiting for my loaner, G 80 M three.
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  So I love all the mcar, I love all generations of mcar.
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  I like other stuff too.
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  But really what makes A BMW for me is something that I can really
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  get in experience, drive, modify, make it mine, and just truly enjoy.
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  While, while I certainly love and appreciate them, I realize
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  that I love and appreciate the classics in other people's hands.
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  Where I, I don't have to do the upkeep with less joy of ownership
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  the way I enjoy it to own one.
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  Before we go on to Donovan, that's actually a really good point
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  because the one BMW of I've owned was a previous track car that had
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  changed hands several times, right?
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  So countless people have had their hands in the car, and you know,
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  the body had 300,000 miles and the motor had like 3000 miles on it.
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  You know, one of those type of stories.
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  It was an E 36, and I wanted to know what all the fuss was about, because
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  all my friends have E 36 track cars, so I figured I'll buy one too.
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  You know, I, I've said it more than once on this show.
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  It was like owning a boat for me, not coming from the BM BMW world.
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  The happiest day for me was the day I bought it, and the second happiest
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  day was the day I got rid of it.
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  And everything in between was an absolute nightmare.
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  And so you get underneath that car and I pull my hair out and go, what in the hell
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  were they thinking O on a Volkswagen?
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  It's like, this is super easy, it's three bolts.
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  Why is this nine links and 27 pieces?
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  And I. Why is this over-engineered?
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  I don't understand.
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  You know, and so it drove me kind of nuts.
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  It had, you know, the typical issues had, you know, valve covers and, uh, vanos
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  and everything else that's wrong with an E 36 that you're constantly maintaining.
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  So for me, the maintenance, it made it just this daunting task and it, it worried
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  me every time I took it to the track, I'm like, what's gonna blow up next?
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  How much more money do I have to sink into this thing?
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  You know?
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  So I kind of, I backed away from BMWs and I said, ah, you're gonna have to
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  really sell me hard on my next one.
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  Right.
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  And we'll talk about that in a little bit, but I want to talk about Donovan's
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  collection of BMWs before we move on.
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  Yeah, I feel like I kind of need to lead you up to where I am.
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  So, you know, I mentioned the three 20 and then I had a gap.
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  You know, I kind of got into the fast and furious world before Fast and Furious.
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  Uh, I did that for a little while, did some other things, but finally
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  got back into BMWs after Porsches.
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  But, you know, I got back in with a, with the next five, 4.4, which
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  I loved and I put 230,000 miles on it and it still drove like a champ.
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  I think the only problem I had with it was the alternator went out once,
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  which apparently was a liquid cooled $1,600 alternator, apparently see
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  over-engineered and super expensive.
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  See what I'm talking about?
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  Why do you need a liquid cooled alternator?
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  Easy.
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  We're just, just be aware that Donovan and I are gonna start
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  double teaming the Volkswagen guy.
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  So.
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  Right.
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  So yeah, that, and, you know, the, the AC stopped cooling as much, but
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  I ended up getting rid of that thing.
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  It, it was fantastic.
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  And then I had another little bit of a gap.
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  I'd kind of been looking at the E 30 M threes and, you know, like I
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  mentioned a minute ago, I kept having people that had never owned one
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  telling me why I shouldn't buy 'em.
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  Right?
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  Oh, they rust in the back and this, that, and the other.
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  So it kinda kept me away for a little while.
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  So I finally did buy one.
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  It was fantastic, right?
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  That car had been sent back to Germany and had the dog leg and all the EVO
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  bits and everything else on it, which I didn't quite appreciate at the time.
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  And, and to give you an idea, I paid 17 for it.
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  I kept it for about two years and sold it for 26.
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  That was the year before they went to 40 and 45 and all those.
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  And I, I didn't realize, you know, the, the gold that was in the
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  parts, but, so what did I do is I bought another one once they were.
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  45 50. So I have that one now.
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  I have E 30 M three.
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  I have two E 28 M fives.
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  I just sold Eric.
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  You know the story about my E 36 M three.
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  Sold it to a 17-year-old kid.
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  It was his dream car, but to me it just felt like this car belonged with him.
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  Two weeks later, he totaled it.
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  I just bought an F 80 M three at the beginning of the year.
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  I haven't told you this, Eric, but I found, uh, a 2002 turbo.
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  Oh, it's on its way to the states right now, so it's not a done deal,
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  but hopefully in a month we'll be talking about, uh, talking about that.
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  But, uh, so fingers crossed.
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  But yeah, you know, the, the, the modifying portion of, you know,
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  the, I I wouldn't dare modify like the E 30 or the M fives, right?
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  I mean, finding parts alone for the e the, the M five is, is near impossible.
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  I, I found a dash in the Ukraine or something, you know, to fix.
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  One of them had a crack dash, that kinda thing.
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  It was 1500 bucks, you know, those kinda things.
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  I did put suspension on the, the E 30 M three, but the F 80 is a different story.
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  I mean, that car is fast already.
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  It's con it's competition car, but, you know, flashing it
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  and doing some other things.
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  So I'm on the climb with that car where the other ones, you know, like you said,
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  James, I want to keep a stock as possible.
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  I mean, you know, some cosmetics, maybe some suspension work.
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  But I, I enjoy that car a lot and we go ripping through the
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  mountains with Tesla owners, which.
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  Don't get me wrong, they're still faster, but it's nice to be able to keep up
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  with 'em and not being in a 30-year-old BMW that on the radio saying, Hey
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  guys, hang on while I catch up to you.
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  And we've talked a little bit about, you know, your guys' history, the collections
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  and things like that, and experiences.
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  And I guess that leads me to kind of some opinion questions, right?
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  So I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw these out there.
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  Maybe I'll, I'll start with Donovan on this one.
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  What do you guys think?
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  Just looking back over the history is the best.
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  BMW?
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  You know, I'm probably a little biased.
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  I mean, I, I, I would immediately go to the E 30 M three.
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  You know, you go, I mean, I think that still isn't that the most winning
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  touring car of all time or something.
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  I mean, it's, it's, let's unpack the E 30 M three.
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  You guys have both mentioned it several times here, so I'm not, I don't take
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  issue with it because I think that car is awesome and I am a huge fan of
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  DTM as you know, Donovan, but it felt like it was BMW's attempt to Xerox
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  copy the UR Quattro 10 years too late.
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  I mean, if you look at it, it's, it's just like the Ur Quatro.
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  We got the jackknife flares, which were kind of going outta
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  style in the late eighties anyway, the 9 44 had already done it.
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  The RX seven had already done it.
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  They all copied the Audi from the early eighties, and it's kind of
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  like similar shape, similar style, similar idea, kind of homologated
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  rally car type of look and feel to it.
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  But at the end of the day, just like the Audi, it's based on a, you know,
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  boring sedan or boring two door.
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  And in the thirties case.
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  It's an E 30.
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  So what really makes it so special outside of the body work?
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  Well, I mean, you could say by today's standards, right?
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  It's the, and I'm gonna say, you know, I hate this word, but you know, to
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  most people it's the unicorn, right?
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  Oh my God, I can't believe, you know, it's just got this mystique around it that,
• 16:27
  I mean, they made a lot of 'em, right?
• 16:28
  So it's not like they need 300, and I think a lot of 'em were abused
• 16:31
  and thrown away over the year.
• 16:32
  So now to see one is, is something special.
• 16:34
  But, you know, the handling on 'em, and I can't, you know, James
• 16:37
  can probably speak better to this.
• 16:38
  I didn't, I've never tracked mine and I don't intend to.
• 16:41
  But you know, my understanding is, is they track really well.
• 16:43
  I know people that have tracked cars and, and they're supposed
• 16:45
  to do really well at that.
• 16:46
  But, you know, I don't know.
• 16:48
  I mean, and in all honesty, and I, I shouldn't really
• 16:50
  say this of that era, right?
• 16:51
  I think the, the one 90 E 2.5, uh, Mercedes had a lot
• 16:55
  to offer in that era too.
• 16:57
  But again, right, the big.
• 16:58
  Flared body work and, and all those kinda things, obviously, you know, for a reason.
• 17:02
  But, you know, I don't know.
• 17:03
  I, I just think it's special.
• 17:04
  Right.
• 17:04
  You know, it's, to me, I don't see a lot of manufacturers even current day stepping
• 17:08
  out and really making a significant leap from the passenger car version of
• 17:13
  one car to this kind of flared out pi.
• 17:15
  I mean, yeah, you could say the challenge and things like
• 17:17
  that, but you know what I mean.
• 17:18
  Right.
• 17:18
  These really kind of special almost, you know, the, the homologated
• 17:21
  version, I mean, is really what it was.
• 17:22
  Yeah.
• 17:22
  To that point, the E 36 stock is better than any E 30 M three.
• 17:27
  Out the gate.
• 17:27
  Right.
• 17:28
  I mean, we know that as it's evolution right there.
• 17:30
  I, I wonder if the E 36 is in held in higher regard.
• 17:34
  I mean, it definitely is in the track world.
• 17:35
  You see more of them.
• 17:36
  They're like Miatas, they're freaking everywhere.
• 17:38
  Right.
• 17:39
  But it's also a massively produced mcar as well.
• 17:43
  Right?
• 17:43
  It was the first one to be like, totally doesn't have independent
• 17:46
  throttle bodies, all this fun stuff.
• 17:47
  'cause it was built, you know, basically on an assembly line and cranked out as
• 17:50
  fast as they could get 'em out there.
• 17:51
  So going to James, why is the E 30 M three so special versus some of
• 17:56
  the other cars that are out there?
• 17:57
  Well, you know, I think it's, I think it's the, the opposite of
• 18:00
  that E 36 that you're talking about.
• 18:01
  To me.
• 18:02
  Maybe at the time in the, in the late eighties, early nineties, the E 30 M three
• 18:06
  was special and that were BMW people.
• 18:08
  They thought that thing was pretty special.
• 18:09
  They were higher production, right?
• 18:11
  That way they made 10,000 something like a little over that, over the, over
• 18:14
  all the production running of years.
• 18:15
  They weren't necessarily flying off the shelf either because they
• 18:18
  were, you know, they were expensive.
• 18:19
  They were expensive cars.
• 18:20
  I think that.
• 18:21
  Our appreciation for the E 30 M three has gone up over the years and I
• 18:25
  think the mystique has gone up and it's special because it's so special.
• 18:29
  It's special because it's not an E 30.
• 18:32
  So that was the first car that I tracked and it, you're right,
• 18:34
  it Donovan, it just is amazing.
• 18:36
  The, it's so light and it's light and nimble like a, like an
• 18:39
  E 33 18 is, but it's powerful.
• 18:43
  Like a, like a E 33 25.
• 18:45
  And so I can remember arguing, and this sounds like a ridiculous
• 18:48
  argument if I say it today.
• 18:50
  I remember arguing with, with one of my friends early on in my track
• 18:53
  career who had an E 33 25 and we were arguing about which one was better.
• 18:57
  You know, the E 30 M three or the 3 25.
• 18:59
  They were similar lap times.
• 19:00
  They do it in a little bit different ways, or at least in the trend levels
• 19:03
  that we were looking at racing them.
• 19:04
  In retrospect in, you know, in this day and age where the E
• 19:07
  30 M three is highly valued.
• 19:09
  I think what makes them, you know, so special is just how unique they are.
• 19:13
  It was the first true mcar I think there, you know, there were in variance of cars
• 19:17
  up until that point, but there was never one that they just said, this is an m.
• 19:21
  But what about the, what about the M1?
• 19:23
  Isn't that the original M car from 1978?
• 19:27
  He swat me away.
• 19:29
  He swatted me away.
• 19:31
  But you know of attainable means, right?
• 19:33
  We so we talk about production numbers.
• 19:34
  Yes, it was, it's things still looks like a spaceship kind of.
• 19:38
  And you know, back in the back in the late seventies, that's not attainable.
• 19:41
  That's not something anybody ever show saw on a dealer.
• 19:44
  Showroom floor E 30 M three is like, what starts to be cool about
• 19:48
  BMWs to me is they're attainable.
• 19:50
  And that car was in production numbers that became attainable,
• 19:53
  but it had so much different DNA than the non M cars of the time.
• 19:59
  You know, so your original question, or you question a bit a bit ago to
• 20:02
  Donovan is what's the best BMW ever?
• 20:04
  And, and again, you've gotta decide how you're asking that question or what
• 20:08
  type of response, because to me the best BMW car ever is an E 36 something.
• 20:13
  And it's, it's an E 36 something, not because the original car was
• 20:18
  awesome or 'cause the M three is super special or whatever.
• 20:21
  It's just like they're the universal.
• 20:24
  They can do anything.
• 20:25
  They were iconic in the nineties.
• 20:26
  To me.
• 20:27
  You can throw any motor in 'em and make 'em ridiculously fast
• 20:31
  and fun and, but, and they're, and they're just so out there.
• 20:34
  They're, they were made in such high numbers.
• 20:36
  That's why they're like mi at the track.
• 20:37
  There's just, there's so many made and sure they're, you can run an M
• 20:41
  three, which isn't all that special.
• 20:42
  It's not, it's not special compared to a 3 28.
• 20:45
  It's, you know, super similar, use the same transmission, use the same diff
• 20:49
  all, you know, all these things use the same body work except for, for bumpers.
• 20:52
  So all these things that make those things so available and so great to
• 20:57
  modify and such a great foundation for anything you would do on the track.
• 21:01
  That's the absolute opposite of what the E 30 M three is with so many
• 21:05
  specialized parts that just make that thing a special level of cool that we
• 21:10
  just, we haven't, honestly, I don't think we've gotten since in the BM BMW world.
• 21:14
  Well, and then you kinda have the crossover, right?
• 21:15
  You've got the E 30 M three with E 36 driveline in it, which, you know.
• 21:20
  To me, that's, that's heresy, right?
• 21:22
  You should, you should do that to one of yours.
• 21:23
  No, no.
• 21:25
  You know, some people think that's the perfect combination between the two too.
• 21:28
  So I, I don't know.
• 21:29
  I, I, we talked about it.
• 21:30
  I don't think I would bastardize the car to do that, but, uh, it
• 21:33
  wouldn't suffer from a little more horsepower power for sure.
• 21:36
  That's, that's true.
• 21:36
  And, and for the money you would spend on that.
• 21:38
  And for the, the mods that James is talking about, the E 36, I
• 21:42
  mean, I've driven a lot of BMWs.
• 21:43
  Like I said, I've only owned one, but I've driven a lot and I've coached a lot.
• 21:47
  And I do have my likes and my dislikes, but my vote goes to the E
• 21:50
  46 M three because I feel like that's.
• 21:53
  When they finally figured it out.
• 21:55
  It was too late though, because they were already moving on.
• 21:58
  And we'll talk about the Bengal BMWs and things like that in a in a minute.
• 22:01
  I feel like that's the last of the true BMWs, to your point, like true
• 22:05
  drivers cars where you jump in, they're still very raw, very primitive.
• 22:09
  No, no real nannies to speak of.
• 22:11
  You get in and you have fun.
• 22:13
  Even in stock trim, they're absolutely amazing to be behind the wheel of.
• 22:17
  So I think my vote kind of goes to the end of the line of that, that small,
• 22:21
  you know, let's say 20 year span there of mcar has gotta be to the E 46
• 22:26
  where they, they finally got it right.
• 22:28
  But let's flip this on its head and go back to James and what's
• 22:31
  the worst BMW in your opinion?
• 22:35
  Oh man, there are certainly some models I don't like.
• 22:38
  There's a singular E 21 that holds a special place in my heart for
• 22:42
  being the absolute single worst car I've ever laid my hands on.
• 22:46
  But I think in general, in broad terms, the worst BMW is that like five, eight
• 22:51
  years ago, uh, we never got 'em in the us thank goodness, that five door
• 22:56
  version of the two series active tour or whatever, that, whatever that thing
• 23:00
  was in Germany that looks like it's like A BMW, uh, minivan, but in the absolute
• 23:05
  worst form you've ever seen in your life.
• 23:06
  Yeah, they tried to copy the Audi A two, which didn't make
• 23:09
  it here either, thankfully.
• 23:11
  Ugh, terrible.
• 23:14
  But, you know, that's, that may be obscure.
• 23:15
  Uh, you know, I really don't like the E 21.
• 23:18
  One of our guys, uh, at work is a die hard E 21 guy, and I know that there's some
• 23:23
  variants that are cool, but suspension design, power output started to get heavy.
• 23:28
  Started to do that late eighties, or, or I'm sorry, early eighties, late seventies.
• 23:33
  Kinda weirdness was the way lights are integrated and bumpers have to
• 23:36
  have these, you know, rubbery, ribbed things on 'em for the federal stuff.
• 23:41
  It started to get funky for me then.
• 23:43
  They also had that reverse aerodynamic nose, I call it, where the grill slants
• 23:47
  into the wind rather than away from it.
• 23:49
  But hey, you know, whatever styling is what it is.
• 23:53
  So I gotta stand up for the E 20 ones a little bit.
• 23:55
  I just sold one, I sold a sport package car.
• 23:57
  It was what, 90,000 miles.
• 23:59
  You know, I expected that car to be worth more and I kept holding out and finally I
• 24:02
  was like, I gotta get rid of this thing.
• 24:03
  But, and all of the things that you guys just railed on with the exception
• 24:06
  of you, is what I like about it, right?
• 24:07
  The, the front end.
• 24:09
  To me, BMWs were BMWs when the, when the front end was a little
• 24:11
  square, maybe it kick back.
• 24:13
  You think about like the six series, right?
• 24:14
  That, to me was, was great, but didn't care for the rear end of that car much.
• 24:18
  But, you know, to me the, the E 21, I always thought of the race car,
• 24:20
  which I thought was really fantastic.
• 24:22
  You know, I don't know.
• 24:23
  I mean, I'm not gonna talk performance wise, but I think
• 24:25
  just visually, I think the Bengal Error five series were not great.
• 24:30
  The new M cars.
• 24:32
  I'm still waiting for him to grow on me, but I, I, I just can't, I
• 24:35
  think it's easily fixable, right?
• 24:37
  You paint the middle support bar and divide the kidneys and maybe
• 24:40
  that helps out a little bit.
• 24:41
  But, you know, I don't know.
• 24:41
  I mean, it, you know, you look back at, at some of the Bavaria and things
• 24:44
  and think, well, but then you see one that's been, you know, lowered
• 24:47
  slightly and has nice wheels on it.
• 24:49
  Like, okay, well maybe I can, I can deal with that one a little bit, but
• 24:51
  I just have to stick to the designs.
• 24:53
  Or some of these grand touring ones that we did get, like the, some of the five
• 24:57
  series are a little weird, but for me it's really about the styling on, on the
• 25:00
  ones I mentioned before, I think are, I could, I could do without for sure.
• 25:04
  I think it's funny you guys bring that up and I've heard nothing but
• 25:07
  horror stories about the eight.
• 25:09
  Especially the eight fifties.
• 25:11
  We asked this question of other people before and they're like, oh, the eight
• 25:14
  50, the V 12, that's, that's horrendous.
• 25:15
  That's like the worst BMW ever Granted, you know, often you, you keep all the
• 25:19
  Haircuttery jokes to yourself, much like the Miata guys do being a hairdresser's
• 25:23
  car and all this kind of thing.
• 25:24
  But it was a step out of the normal with the eight 50 and the eight 40 for sure.
• 25:29
  To your point, maybe not the worst, but it's probably up there in the top three
• 25:33
  of probably in terms of maintenance and parts obscurity and things like that.
• 25:37
  'cause it shares nothing really with anything else.
• 25:39
  So I think that's probably pretty high up there as well.
• 25:42
  Well, the eight 50 can't be the worst car because that thing
• 25:45
  actually looks pretty cool.
• 25:46
  The worst version of that is a seven 50.
• 25:49
  When you get more electrical goodies that can fail, but you've still gotta
• 25:53
  maintain that same lump of a motor, which you're right, is an absolute nightmare.
• 25:56
  What's the worst car?
• 25:57
  Any seven series with a hundred thousand miles on it.
• 26:00
  Blanket statement except for the one on the transporter,
• 26:03
  which is awesome no matter what.
• 26:05
  Because it had a stick shift, but you know, we'll leave it there.
• 26:08
  You know, you kind of hit on something in terms of styling, right?
• 26:11
  And there's a lot to be said about BM BMW styling and it goes way back, right?
• 26:15
  We're talking all the way back pre-World War II to the early twenties,
• 26:19
  you know, with the long, the kidney grill is a signature thing of BMW.
• 26:24
  Love it or hate it.
• 26:25
  It's been around forever.
• 26:26
  You kind of look at back at all the styling, and I often wonder if
• 26:29
  BMW was like, Hey, you know what?
• 26:33
  It's in modern terms, let's just send it.
• 26:34
  Let's just see if this style sticks and if somebody likes it.
• 26:37
  But I kind of feel like that's been the motto for a long time, because
• 26:41
  even in recent times, I, as one of our members puts it, there seems to be a
• 26:46
  seat for every ass when it comes to BMW.
• 26:48
  They will tool a design for like three people, and they're
• 26:51
  like, oh, we'll call it the five series GT plus Touchback thing.
• 26:55
  And you're like.
• 26:56
  How many of those did you guys make?
• 26:58
  Like why, who cares?
• 26:59
  You know what I mean?
• 27:00
  And so I wonder if they're pushing the envelope.
• 27:02
  They're just crazy.
• 27:03
  I, I mean, I don't know.
• 27:05
  It kind of brings up the question of best looking versus worst looking
• 27:08
  BMWs, kind of in your guys' opinion.
• 27:10
  Let's go with Donovan.
• 27:11
  Oh man, I go for best.
• 27:12
  I, I gotta go straight to the race cars.
• 27:13
  I know that that was kind of outta the bounds of the question, but you know,
• 27:15
  you think of the, the 3.0 cars, the three point fives, the CSLs back in the
• 27:20
  seventies I think are just gorgeous.
• 27:22
  Um, those are some of my favorites.
• 27:23
  And, and those, to me, really even, you know, when I was a kid
• 27:26
  kinda looking around, you'd see those and like, wow, what is that?
• 27:28
  You know, those are really cool.
• 27:29
  And I always wanted a, a 3.0 when I got older.
• 27:32
  I, I'm over that now.
• 27:32
  I don't want one now, but, uh, I think they're pretty cool.
• 27:35
  Those are definitely great looking cars.
• 27:36
  But you know, like I said, to me, that era of that kind of.
• 27:39
  Square nose or the slanted m nose a little bit.
• 27:41
  To me, that's when, for me anyway, that's when BMWs were BMWs when
• 27:45
  we started getting into some of the plastic, you know, covered
• 27:47
  surround headlights and things.
• 27:48
  It still kind of kept some of that styling.
• 27:50
  But then, you know, we get into Bengal again.
• 27:51
  But, you know, the older cars, the original cars and stuff, I
• 27:54
  think are cool in their own right.
• 27:56
  I actually know a 3 28 in the storage container somewhere.
• 27:58
  He's, I'm trying to get it from, he won't, I think he's gonna die with
• 28:01
  it, but you know what, what year?
• 28:02
  3 28 is that?
• 28:03
  I don't know.
• 28:04
  But he, he, the story goes, he lived in The Bahamas or something
• 28:09
  and there was a guy on the corner that was always working on cars
• 28:11
  and he traded him something for it.
• 28:13
  I forget what it was, and then shipped it here.
• 28:15
  It's up, it's up North Georgia somewhere and disassembled it and
• 28:18
  then put it in one of those, not the full length storage containers, but
• 28:21
  the half ones and packed it in there.
• 28:23
  And it's been sitting there forever.
• 28:24
  And the guy and his son restore cars, but they haven't gotten to this one, offering
• 28:28
  him, you know, are you gonna sell it?
• 28:29
  Are you gonna sell it?
• 28:30
  And they never would.
• 28:30
  But they had that 5 0 7 that I did, that we did the video of,
• 28:33
  so they come across 'em, but.
• 28:35
  Um, in my understanding, and I, I don't know the older BMWs that
• 28:37
  well, but my understanding is the 3 27 is way more desirable.
• 28:41
  The three 20 is not as much.
• 28:42
  But, but you know, those were cool.
• 28:44
  Right.
• 28:44
  And I think it's that identifying factor, right?
• 28:46
  The kidneys, you can't really mistake, you know that that's
• 28:48
  A BMW I've heard several times.
• 28:50
  I think Chris Harris even talked about it, you know, that the big grills, the
• 28:52
  big kidneys thing is for the, the Chinese market that that's an appeal there.
• 28:56
  So maybe they're just trying to expand a little bit.
• 28:59
  But I was heading to Florida recently and, and stopped and this lady came in and she
• 29:03
  had a brand new four series convertible.
• 29:06
  I asked her, you know, what do you think about it?
• 29:08
  She's like, oh, it's great.
• 29:08
  I said, what do you think about the Katie?
• 29:09
  And I didn't say, I think they're got awful, right?
• 29:12
  What do you think?
• 29:12
  But I said, Hey, you know, what do you think about the styling?
• 29:14
  And she said, oh, I think it's great.
• 29:16
  And all my friends love it.
• 29:17
  And like, okay, well, you know, it, it's, it's resonating with some people.
• 29:20
  So I, I think, like you said, you know, some people just, they
• 29:23
  flock to it and they love it.
• 29:24
  And then I think others are still.
• 29:26
  On the fence about it, but, so the ugliest BMWI still have to go back
• 29:30
  to, well, I'll just pick, I'll just pick the current, current name.
• 29:33
  The one it looks like something I'll babble on five.
• 29:35
  Yeah.
• 29:35
  So we'll, we'll leave it there.
• 29:37
  Science fiction BMW's up next.
• 29:39
  James, what do you think best and worst in terms of styling?
• 29:42
  You know, I don't know what our Bengal count is up.
• 29:45
  You know, I, we've said his name 8, 9, 10 times now.
• 29:48
  It's a, it's a, it's a drinking game now, you know, I'll tell you right,
• 29:51
  I'm an early adopter on this stuff.
• 29:53
  I'm open-minded.
• 29:54
  I'm not so absolute on how I feel because I do think there is a
• 29:58
  period of time that anything new.
• 30:01
  Is not the right thing, especially when you emotionally connect to a
• 30:04
  car or a car mark that has defined points that make it that kind of car.
• 30:09
  And so I think that BMW has generally had these traditional styling elements.
• 30:14
  I mean, it's not a Kia that picks up whoever's styling elements that they saw
• 30:18
  that week and incorporated into their car.
• 30:20
  It, it has very consistent styling through the years.
• 30:24
  So I, I pick up on the stuff.
• 30:25
  I like it earlier than most.
• 30:27
  Would.
• 30:27
  I love the new mcar, I say the new M cars, the new M three and four.
• 30:31
  I think that looks so mean and aggressive.
• 30:33
  Of course, I think they could have done themselves a favor.
• 30:35
  And I think when it was introduced with a Chrome surround, that's
• 30:38
  terrible because it highlights the thing I don't like about that, but I
• 30:41
  love seeing it on the road cars and probably because I see how it translates
• 30:46
  into the, the race cars, you know?
• 30:48
  And now that the GT four is out invisible, we see that big opening and how
• 30:52
  they're using that to pull air through.
• 30:53
  And those, you know, those scoops on the hood that come down and you can
• 30:57
  see they just dropped those further and now they get this extraction from that.
• 31:00
  I, I just, I think that's super cool.
• 31:01
  So, you know, and I like some of the Bengal stuff earlier than I should have,
• 31:05
  or earlier than a lot of people did.
• 31:06
  I guess the, you know, the first Bengal I remember was the, was the
• 31:09
  seven series, maybe that was the one that the trunk came on, but, and maybe
• 31:13
  that one wasn't awesome, but at the time I was, I was pretty ambivalent
• 31:16
  or slightly positive on the five.
• 31:18
  But the Z four I loved.
• 31:19
  Anyway, that's a long roundabout to, to say that I do like the new styling, but I
• 31:23
  queued in on that 3 28 because the 3 28.
• 31:27
  The pre-World War II car, I think is, is my absolute favorite, BMW.
• 31:32
  And that's, I've never driven one.
• 31:33
  I've gotten to be around a couple.
• 31:35
  I think that that's just elegant and beautiful and amazing and really
• 31:38
  doesn't resonate with anything that I do with BMWs or any BMWs that I have.
• 31:43
  But I think it's beautiful.
• 31:44
  I'm with you there.
• 31:45
  You know, especially talking about like the Bengal cars, like the M six, right?
• 31:50
  It looks like a angry badger and I've gotten used to it and to Donovan's
• 31:54
  point with the right color and the right wheel package, and you look
• 31:57
  at it, you know, calf three sheets through the wind with one eye open.
• 32:00
  It looks pretty good sometimes, but then you have.
• 32:03
  Other cars not so much.
• 32:05
  Right, and And I'm with you on the Z four, right?
• 32:07
  I like the Z four, especially the M coop when they first came out.
• 32:10
  I think that's a really cool car.
• 32:11
  Way better looking than the Z three, the clown shoe.
• 32:14
  I know people are gonna hate me for it.
• 32:16
  The clown shoe is a great car handling wise.
• 32:19
  I've driven a bunch.
• 32:19
  They're, they're cool, they're fun, they're twitchy, they do everything right.
• 32:23
  It's just not what you bring home to mama at the end of the day.
• 32:27
  But in terms of like best looking BMWs, I think some of those big sedans,
• 32:33
  like the late nineties, like the The Transporter seven series, even the
• 32:37
  eight series that are more elegant, that are a little bit more subdued,
• 32:41
  that are almost more Mercedes like to me kind of stand out because I
• 32:45
  like that sleeper look and style.
• 32:47
  I'm also a big fan of BMW station wagons.
• 32:50
  I think the five series precursor to the E 39 station wagon, I can't remember
• 32:56
  all the e numbers, but you guys know what I'm talking about, that seaboard.
• 33:00
  Yes, the 34 station wagon or the state, or whatever you wanna call it, I think
• 33:04
  that's a cool looking ride, especially when they're done up some basket weed,
• 33:07
  BS wheels and lowered and all that.
• 33:10
  But on the ugly side, I mean, that ugly tree is long when it comes
• 33:14
  to BMWs, but the one, there's one that sticks out, right?
• 33:18
  And you can have fun with some of the old cars like the Zeta and say it's super
• 33:22
  cute and it's quirky because it's of the era of the Fiat 500 and the Beetle.
• 33:26
  But I think there's one car that takes the cake and it's pretty
• 33:29
  modern, and there's a close second, right along with it is the I three.
• 33:33
  There is no angle that you can look at an I three and say that it's good looking
• 33:38
  because it looks like a three series that went through a trash compactor, right?
• 33:41
  I just don't understand it.
• 33:43
  But the other one is the I eight, and I have a hard time with that
• 33:47
  one too, because it's so futuristic.
• 33:52
  It almost looks cartoonish.
• 33:54
  But if you take a page.
• 33:56
  From the BM BMW kind of prototype playbook, especially stuff coming
• 33:59
  out of etal design by Juro.
• 34:01
  If you look at the Nasca and the Nasca C two and some of the other
• 34:05
  things that he built, you're like, I understand where the I eight came from.
• 34:08
  It's an evolution of those designs, so I appreciate it on both ends.
• 34:12
  But the I three just blah, that takes the cake in terms of
• 34:15
  terrible at the end of the day.
• 34:18
  I think there's two though that we didn't mention that are on the good
• 34:20
  side, obviously the, uh, the Z eights.
• 34:23
  Yeah.
• 34:24
  Oh, that's a gorgeous car.
• 34:25
  And I'm gonna go way back to the Dixie, right?
• 34:28
  Remember their first kind of entry into, I was Emelia Island a couple
• 34:32
  years ago and there was one there.
• 34:33
  It was invited to be, it was a hundred year of an, uh, anniversary
• 34:35
  of, of BMW and I, I'd been looking for one semi seriously, right?
• 34:40
  Not to pay a lot of money for one.
• 34:41
  And there was one there and I asked the guy about it, and uh,
• 34:43
  I said, Hey, I'm looking for one.
• 34:45
  And his response was, why?
• 34:47
  I expected, you know, having it there, he'd have been like,
• 34:50
  oh yeah, they're great cars.
• 34:51
  He was like, why?
• 34:51
  I said, I, I don't know.
• 34:52
  I just thought they were kind of cool, you know, it'd be kind of cool.
• 34:54
  He's like, nah, you, you don't want these or not worth it.
• 34:57
  I thought those were cool.
• 34:57
  You're right.
• 34:58
  So that's actually a great segue into another question.
• 35:01
  So Donovan, since you're always in the market and buying and selling
• 35:04
  cars and looking at the market like we talked about on the last episode and
• 35:07
  whatnot, what's the best BMW when you think about it from value for money?
• 35:13
  Like somebody wants to jump in and say, Hey, maybe it's not the super
• 35:16
  rare 3 27, it's not a Z eight.
• 35:19
  You know it, but it's also not an E 30.
• 35:21
  Right?
• 35:22
  What's that value for money car?
• 35:24
  Where it's like you're really getting the most out of it, not spending a ton and
• 35:27
  might be worth something in the future.
• 35:29
  Yeah.
• 35:29
  That might be better to, uh, question Ask James.
• 35:32
  I mean, to me, you know, I try to buy BMWs that I think are,
• 35:35
  you know, I'm prospecting, right?
• 35:37
  That I think are gonna increase or be worth more in five years, 10 years,
• 35:40
  you know, 20 years kind of thing.
• 35:42
  So, you know, when it comes to, and I'm, I'm making up something
• 35:45
  here, but say, you know, a an E 33 25, that might be a great value.
• 35:49
  I don't know.
• 35:50
  I'm not really in, in the market of those, but you know, to me I try
• 35:52
  to find, I think there's enough.
• 35:54
  BMWs on the, the more attainable side that, you know, I think are generally, you
• 35:59
  can say are, are gonna be a good value.
• 36:01
  Right?
• 36:01
  An E 36 M three, we talked about those.
• 36:03
  They're steadily growing a little bit.
• 36:06
  I doubled the mine when I, when I sold it, um, over a few years.
• 36:09
  But, um, and of course, you know, the E 30 itself, right?
• 36:12
  Those, uh, the, the fast and furious crowd graduated from those cars to BMWs
• 36:16
  and everybody now is after the e thirties and especially the E 30 wagons and stuff.
• 36:20
  I mean, they're, you know, in the twenties, which is kind of crazy to me.
• 36:22
  But, you know, I think those are, those are kind of good to, to get
• 36:25
  into the market with if you can find one that hasn't been abused.
• 36:27
  But I don't know.
• 36:28
  I'd defer to James on that.
• 36:29
  He probably knows a more than that.
• 36:30
  You, I don't even think about that.
• 36:31
  So that's, so this is where I'm terrible.
• 36:34
  The only BMW I've ever sold and made money on was that E 30 M three
• 36:37
  that I bought recently, and that's just because I dumb lucked into it.
• 36:41
  I actually lost money if I consider opportunity cost because if I'd sold it a
• 36:45
  year later, I would've doubled my money.
• 36:46
  I'm an idiot when it comes to buying cars thinking that I know
• 36:50
  something about resale value.
• 36:51
  I know nothing about prospecting for that.
• 36:54
  I do think in general, cars are seeing more of a bubble in the, in
• 36:57
  the BM BMW world, the the E 30 M three was the first one to see that
• 37:01
  thing really start to blow up super fast, and then some others followed.
• 37:04
  I don't know that E 36 M three will ever enjoy that 'cause I just don't
• 37:07
  think that they were as special.
• 37:08
  If I could have stacked some 50,000 mile E 46 M three five years ago,
• 37:12
  I certainly would've done that.
• 37:14
  That would've been a good buy.
• 37:15
  I'll tell you, I love the V eight cars, the S 62, S 65 cars.
• 37:19
  I feel like those.
• 37:21
  Probably have good value, but we're kind of in that place where people
• 37:24
  are starting to try to predict the bubble and get ahead of it.
• 37:27
  And so I don't know that the costs are as reasonable.
• 37:30
  And then, you know, I, I think ultimately those cars are gonna
• 37:32
  be maybe underappreciated.
• 37:34
  You know, you say Eric, that you love that E 46, M three, and I,
• 37:37
  you know, I like that as well.
• 37:39
  But I, I love the new stuff.
• 37:40
  You know, once they got turbos funny, I have a buddy that just bought an F
• 37:45
  82 M four, the soulless big, heavy, the worst M 3M four BMWs ever made.
• 37:51
  Says everybody until they make the next new one.
• 37:54
  And then everybody's like, oh, we loved that last one.
• 37:56
  That was awesome.
• 37:56
  Now this is the worst one ever made.
• 37:58
  So, you know, there's people that are just, don't like that change.
• 38:01
  And he was on that side for a while.
• 38:03
  And what grabbed him on this car is that it came from a BMW dealership that
• 38:07
  ordered a bunch of individual cars.
• 38:08
  And so this thing is in Daytona Violet, one of our favorite E 36 and three colors.
• 38:13
  He's like, I, I don't know that I love this car, but I, I gotta
• 38:16
  have a Daytona violet car.
• 38:17
  This thing's amazing.
• 38:18
  And he's coming out of an E 36 and three.
• 38:19
  He is like, but you know, they suck.
• 38:21
  They're big, they're heavy, they're soulless, they're all,
• 38:22
  you know, all these things.
• 38:24
  After three weeks, he's like, alright, man, I get you.
• 38:26
  It's violently fast.
• 38:28
  It has plenty of power.
• 38:29
  It is bigger, but it feels nimble.
• 38:31
  It just, it does things well in a different way.
• 38:35
  It's a modern way.
• 38:36
  And when I get back in my E 36, you know, his has an engine in
• 38:39
  it, big cams, et cetera, so nicely modified, so it has some power.
• 38:42
  He's like, it's still, it just feels like this car does everything
• 38:45
  and it is connected to me.
• 38:47
  I do think people underappreciate some of that newer stuff and, but I,
• 38:50
  I don't know if that's enough to save the future value of NA cars or not.
• 38:55
  I'm still waiting on the E 28 M fives to go and any chance I can say that,
• 39:00
  you know, they one just sold for 70, I think, on bringing trailer to me.
• 39:03
  That's amazing.
• 39:04
  Right.
• 39:04
  They only made what, 2200 of them.
• 39:06
  Oh.
• 39:07
  And they're still, people are just still overlooking them.
• 39:09
  And it's crazy.
• 39:09
  I'm still waiting for it to stay in the sun to, to pop.
• 39:12
  I love those cars.
• 39:13
  I think they're, you know, and same thing, the E 30 started to go wild and
• 39:16
  I'm like, man, well what about the ones that they made so few of, and you know,
• 39:19
  and I like that car more personally.
• 39:21
  You know, I love a four-door car.
• 39:23
  Yeah.
• 39:23
  I'm shocked that they're not outta sight.
• 39:25
  So looking at it from a entry level, let's say motor sport enthusiast's
• 39:30
  opinion, I think there's three.
• 39:32
  And they're pretty modern actually, if you're looking to value for money.
• 39:35
  'cause I, I look at cars all the time too.
• 39:37
  'cause you know, what's my next project?
• 39:38
  What's my next track toy?
• 39:40
  This kind of thing.
• 39:40
  Now I, I did make an oath.
• 39:42
  Pretty pronounced one that I would never own A BMW again.
• 39:45
  But there are a few that do make my list though.
• 39:48
  And the first one is, I've already mentioned it, it's the Z four.
• 39:51
  Now I'm of the old school mentality that I can em it up just like you can make a
• 39:58
  golf into a GTI, you know, kind of deal.
• 40:00
  That's the old school mentality is I'll buy all the M parts and make
• 40:02
  my own m. So you could make a Z four M in some ways or make it better
• 40:06
  than a Z four M with a Z four.
• 40:08
  They're still going for not a ton of money.
• 40:10
  It's a good looking car.
• 40:11
  If you're into a two-door coop, which I'm a big fan of, two-door coups, can
• 40:15
  still get it with a manual because.
• 40:16
  I, you know, I'm, I'm part of the whole save the manual campaign as well, but I
• 40:22
  think the car that comes after that, which is also underappreciated, is the E 88,
• 40:27
  the one 30 fives, and the one 20 eights.
• 40:29
  Those are well balanced.
• 40:30
  They're kind of small, like the E 36 s work compared to some of
• 40:33
  the bigger stuff that's out now.
• 40:35
  They handle really well.
• 40:36
  I've ridden in those cars and make plenty of power.
• 40:38
  Also turbocharged in a lot of cases.
• 40:40
  So you don't necessarily need the M, you can M it up or pay the M tax.
• 40:45
  The third one I, and I've had the opportunity to coach in is the two
• 40:49
  series, either the M 2 35, which I don't understand the badging thing, and I won't
• 40:53
  get on that soapbox or the M two itself.
• 40:57
  I think both of those cars right now, they are still a little bit more
• 41:00
  pricey than the other two I mentioned.
• 41:02
  But as an all around turnkey package, that two series, and I
• 41:07
  hear it's coming back as a matter of fact, 'cause it was discontinued.
• 41:10
  It's kind of like the.
• 41:11
  Best of everything.
• 41:12
  You want it to be an autocrosser.
• 41:13
  It can be.
• 41:14
  You want be a grocery getter.
• 41:15
  It can be, you wanna go to the track with it.
• 41:17
  It can do all of those things and it will surprise the heck out of you.
• 41:20
  And like I said, I've, I've coached in several of them and every time I got
• 41:23
  out of 'em, I turn around and look at the car and like, that's a BMW huh?
• 41:27
  Kind of like that's the way it should be.
• 41:29
  So they another one where I feel like the E 46 where they kind of got it right.
• 41:32
  But it leads me into another question that James, you kind of brought up about
• 41:35
  the different motors that are out there.
• 41:37
  There's brands out there that are known for their motors, right?
• 41:41
  And so obviously the classic motor for BMW is the inline six, right?
• 41:45
  And having inline motors anymore, I mean, that's reminiscent of the packer
• 41:48
  days of like an inline eight, right?
• 41:50
  As long as the hood could be kind of deal.
• 41:53
  Or even an old Cadillac or something like that.
• 41:55
  So it's rare to see those inline motors anymore, but some companies are known
• 41:59
  for their motors, like I said, Toyota with the four EGE where the two JZ
• 42:02
  outta the super and Porsche obviously for the flat six Volkswagen, the 16
• 42:06
  valves, the 20 valves, Audi with the five cylinder turbos and things like
• 42:09
  that where these bulletproof engines.
• 42:12
  But then they also have some real lemons too.
• 42:14
  Like why the hell did they make that?
• 42:15
  You know?
• 42:15
  And and Fiat's got tons of those.
• 42:17
  Oh wait, did I say that out loud?
• 42:18
  Uh, so what is on both ends of that spectrum for BMW?
• 42:22
  What are the motors that are like.
• 42:24
  God's given motors.
• 42:25
  And what are the ones to really stay away from you?
• 42:28
  Like you said?
• 42:28
  Uh, BMW is an inline six and they are very good at those things.
• 42:33
  Uh, you know, I think the M 30 is a pretty solid motor, M 20, M 30,
• 42:36
  I think the M 50 variants are.
• 42:39
  Amazing.
• 42:40
  I love those things and I, especially when I think about the potential of those
• 42:44
  things, not necessarily just how they are as delivered from the factory, but
• 42:48
  what the potential of those motors is.
• 42:49
  I love the architecture in them, especially when you slap a turbo on,
• 42:53
  those things get really impressive.
• 42:55
  And so you don't have to go to the newer generation stuff necessarily.
• 42:59
  So I'm gonna say M 52 is a really solid motor in that lineup.
• 43:03
  It's the 3 28 motor.
• 43:05
  Those things are, are super reasonable, easy to get plenty of 'em out there,
• 43:08
  square motor and throw a turbo on it.
• 43:10
  And they're amazing.
• 43:11
  If you want the factory turbo motor, the M 54, without doing much work
• 43:15
  to it, just external stuff, those things take a ton of power as is.
• 43:19
  And then do a closed deck deal and throw some forged parts at
• 43:22
  it and they get way up there.
• 43:24
  So I, I love those things.
• 43:26
  On the other side of that, early four cylinders were awesome.
• 43:29
  M tens s fourteens, the, you know, the, the kind of that era stuff.
• 43:33
  But having to look at and deal with and spend money on for so many years,
• 43:39
  one of those in twenties, which is the Turbocharge four cylinder from a A two
• 43:43
  XF three X three series two series.
• 43:46
  Those things are not my favorite.
• 43:48
  They just don't hold up particularly well.
• 43:51
  Even in street form, they don't hold up particularly well.
• 43:54
  They make okay power.
• 43:56
  You know, I, I think the defining point from that is, um, you know, we,
• 43:59
  we were one of very few teams to race those, those engines and about three
• 44:05
  years into the program, and we finally figured out how to get those things to
• 44:09
  live more than two races, two races on a motor, you know, which involved lots
• 44:13
  of exotic parts and tuning and cooling.
• 44:15
  We, we spent two or 300 grand on cooling solution just to make that thing live.
• 44:19
  We had some BMW engineers over from Germany and, you know, they had their,
• 44:24
  their new M six that they're super proud of and yeah, we built this and,
• 44:27
  and come over and look at what other people are doing and, and they knew
• 44:30
  of our team and what we were doing.
• 44:31
  They wanted to come over because they couldn't believe that that engine.
• 44:35
  Lived in a racing environment and they're like, oh yeah, that
• 44:37
  was, that was a terrible motor.
• 44:39
  So it's like, yes, we know this.
• 44:40
  This is a terrible motor that's gonna go on my list of one of the, might not be
• 44:45
  the worst, but certainly one of the worst that BMW did followed by a 12 cylinder
• 44:50
  that from that 8 50, 7 50 or you know, some of the eight cylinders, that they
• 44:54
  just have little niggly things that just don't go quite right that make that a
• 44:58
  bad ownership experience for people.
• 45:00
  I don't really have any, any negative experiences.
• 45:02
  I, I can tell you po positive, obviously I'm, I'm partial to the
• 45:05
  S 14 in, in the, the S 38, right.
• 45:07
  The, the derivative of the M 88 that's in the E 24 M six s and the M fives.
• 45:12
  Like I was talking a minute ago, I, I love the sound of that, you know, one of
• 45:15
  my cars has really nice exhaust on it and just the way that, just the natural rumble
• 45:19
  sound of it, I think it's fantastic.
• 45:21
  And, you know, I gotta say, thank God it was an inline six.
• 45:25
  I had a, a fuel line that cracked and was spewing gas
• 45:28
  down the cold side of the motor.
• 45:30
  Had that been a V eight or something, it would've been a fire for sure.
• 45:32
  So, you know, kind of a side side bonus of, of having a. You know, an
• 45:37
  inline motor, you know I mentioned it earlier, seat for every ask.
• 45:40
  So these new BMW designs are all over the planet.
• 45:44
  And you know, it kind of makes me wonder what do we think about
• 45:48
  the, the whole evolution of BMW?
• 45:51
  Because if you look at it, I mean, they started with planes and motorcycles
• 45:55
  and then finally into cars, and it's been this constant just churn.
• 45:58
  We had the Bengal period, and most people don't realize that there's, even Bob Lutz
• 46:02
  is involved in this famous from gm, right?
• 46:04
  He's the one that coined the advertising phrase, the ultimate driving machine.
• 46:08
  And there's tons of jokes around that.
• 46:10
  You know, the ultimate driving machine, so long as it's sunny
• 46:12
  outside, you know, there's no rain, no snow or anything in the forecast.
• 46:15
  But what do we think about the future?
• 46:18
  I know, James, you said you're an early adopter, but.
• 46:21
  BMW's done some really interesting press releases recently, right?
• 46:24
  Saying they're gonna be the last of the Germans with an
• 46:27
  internal combustion engine.
• 46:28
  They were saying for the longest time, they were gonna
• 46:30
  be the last ones with a manual.
• 46:31
  They were gonna be the last ones to do all these kinds of things.
• 46:34
  And what do we think about that?
• 46:35
  What do we think about the direction they're headed?
• 46:37
  I do love so many things about BMW and, and, you know, I, I don't have
• 46:41
  a lot of bad things to say or a lot of negative things to say, and I, and
• 46:45
  I'll tell you, my ownership experience has been largely positive too.
• 46:48
  You mentioned your E 36 track car and probably too many fingers in that pie.
• 46:51
  And so, you know, that's a, that's certainly a factor.
• 46:54
  But I've, I've certainly been lucky to some good degree because I, I know there's
• 46:58
  stories out there, bad BMW ownership, but I've almost exclusively enjoyed every BMW.
• 47:02
  I've been in different things for different people.
• 47:04
  I enjoy different aspects of different cars.
• 47:08
  I don't have to love the whole thing.
• 47:09
  There's some things I scratch my head up.
• 47:11
  Certainly I'm, I'm driving and I ate right now.
• 47:13
  That's my daily and I, no offense, my, my bad.
• 47:16
  No, it's, and, and I don't love those, you know, this one's a Roadster and I, I
• 47:20
  think it looks much better than the other version, but, you know, it doesn't make
• 47:23
  the most power, but it does some things really well and it's, it's pretty cool.
• 47:26
  I do think the model proliferation.
• 47:29
  Is a little rough.
• 47:31
  I think sometimes a car is made and maybe nobody knows why that car is made.
• 47:36
  I drove, uh, oh eight fifties when they, the, the recent, the recent
• 47:39
  version, not the original version, but the recent version, which is
• 47:42
  a, a, a twin turbo hot BV eight.
• 47:45
  You know that thing, not the Grand Coupe, not the four door.
• 47:48
  And so this thing has like the longest nose on A BMW, it's like Packard
• 47:53
  nose and it's got not enough room to put anything notable in the trunk.
• 47:58
  I sat in the backseat one time and had to sit across the two seats.
• 48:02
  It's like this massive car with a backseat, like a nine 11 turbo.
• 48:06
  And yeah, I, I just don't get that.
• 48:08
  And I think unfortunately the market didn't get that one either.
• 48:11
  The grand Coops had some success and you know, the, the inmate is a pretty
• 48:15
  awesome car, but, you know, some of these experience school bus, right?
• 48:18
  But it's, you know, I, I talked to, you know, bill Arlin is one of our drivers
• 48:22
  and he has an inmate competition and he's like, yeah, that's what I want.
• 48:25
  I want a car that I can go 140 in cruise.
• 48:29
  And it's just plush and luxurious.
• 48:31
  He is like that, you know, some of the M 3M four stuff, it's hard for us to
• 48:35
  think of an M three and M four is raw, but compared to one of those inmates,
• 48:40
  they're a lot more raw than that.
• 48:42
  Certainly nothing compared to.
• 48:44
  You know, what an E 30 M three would be back in the day
• 48:46
  or, or something like that.
• 48:47
  Or even that E 46 M three, which is a high revving motor and, and still
• 48:51
  makes lots of noise, et cetera.
• 48:52
  But anything that, you know, the X Series stuff where there's not enough
• 48:56
  head room for the back passenger for the benefit of some styling queue, like
• 49:00
  the, you know, X four X six, you know, that deal with the slope rear roof line.
• 49:04
  I don't totally get that.
• 49:06
  Um, I mean, I was floored when I saw the X two the first time.
• 49:09
  I was like, what in the heck is this?
• 49:11
  Right.
• 49:12
  I didn't understand it.
• 49:13
  I don't, I don't get the, the, the round ls on the, on the C pillars either.
• 49:17
  It makes no sense.
• 49:18
  But uh, that's another design choice we won't get into.
• 49:22
  But to your point, even about the M eight, the joke I make there is
• 49:25
  because of all the IMSA jokes, right?
• 49:26
  It's the biggest car on track.
• 49:27
  I mean, it literally looks like a school bus out there compared to everything else.
• 49:30
  To your point about the model proliferation, before we go onto
• 49:33
  Donovan's feedback on this, what I don't understand right now, and you
• 49:37
  said it multiple times, the M 3M four, and you say it together now, M three,
• 49:41
  M four, what happened to the four door M three and the two door M three?
• 49:44
  Why did we have to add.
• 49:46
  19 other numbers to the scale, like it's so confusing now.
• 49:50
  I don't get it.
• 49:51
  You know, our web guys go absolutely nuts because every couple of weeks it feels
• 49:56
  like we're adding another chassis code and it's, I mean, it's intense, you know?
• 50:00
  It's their new way of cataloging and so be it.
• 50:02
  And you know, we're car guys, like we know that's an E 36 for the rest of the world.
• 50:06
  That's a, that's a 3 28 or that's an M three and they don't, you know, the
• 50:10
  car, the, the chassis code is, you know, and maybe it seems like everybody
• 50:14
  I talk to every day, but it's because I'm, I'm around car people every day.
• 50:17
  I don't know that the rest of the world cares as much as my catalog
• 50:20
  guys or you know, the group of people we're talking to now because we're
• 50:24
  just, we are chassis code guys.
• 50:26
  We're E 30.
• 50:26
  You know, we, you know, we're, we're rarely talking about models.
• 50:29
  We're talking about chassis, man.
• 50:30
  We, we went a while.
• 50:31
  You gotta remind me the question.
• 50:32
  What was the question again?
• 50:34
  We were talking about basically where we're at with all these different new
• 50:39
  BMW models and where the future is.
• 50:41
  And I have a follow on to this anyway, but.
• 50:43
  I think there's an aspect of BMW that maybe isn't connected as well
• 50:47
  to its past and the enthusiast part.
• 50:49
  And then I think there's another part that's very well connected and
• 50:51
  I think, you know, I will always own A BMW or multiples always.
• 50:55
  I, I'm sold for, for life.
• 50:56
  Right?
• 50:57
  And to me, I think there are other companies that I believe
• 51:00
  have kind of lost their way.
• 51:02
  Porsche, for example, right?
• 51:03
  They're still making fantastic cars, but to me they're a big corporate machine now.
• 51:08
  The boutique days are long gone and good for them, right?
• 51:10
  I mean it's, it's fantastic.
• 51:11
  They're making lots of money, but $85 for a t-shirt and things like that.
• 51:15
  And you know, the last Porsche meeting I went to, everybody around me was
• 51:19
  talking about, oh, I've bought my boxer now and you know, you probably didn't
• 51:23
  know anything about the history of, of Porsche before that, you know, and kind
• 51:26
  of the back to the hairdresser car.
• 51:27
  And again, good for them.
• 51:28
  Right?
• 51:29
  That's great Success in the corporate world.
• 51:31
  I think with BMW, I think there is that aspect of somebody in the corporate office
• 51:36
  going, I don't know, let's call it a one, two, three, four, five, six, seven
• 51:39
  M or let's, you know what I mean, where they're just throwing numbers and we got
• 51:42
  the doors with this, that, and the other.
• 51:43
  But I think there's a large group.
• 51:45
  I mean, look how many performance cars they make, right?
• 51:47
  They, they really understand that enthusiast market and really
• 51:51
  are still in touch with that.
• 51:52
  And not to say that other companies aren't, it feels like BMW nurtures that.
• 51:56
  Right?
• 51:56
  And, and I think, you know, I made the comment earlier about, you know,
• 51:59
  a lot of the fast and furious crowd graduated BMWs E 30 specifically, you
• 52:04
  know, now some other things I think that's been great for the brand.
• 52:06
  Right now it's, hey, BMW is important and as these new cars come out and, you
• 52:11
  know, I know we'll all get used to the, you know, the G cars and everything
• 52:14
  else and, and whatever's after that.
• 52:15
  But to me, you know, my F 80, when I get in it, it's to the point
• 52:19
  where I'm having to learn to trust.
• 52:22
  The limits of the car that I haven't found yet going in the mountains
• 52:24
  and things, I'm like, I don't know.
• 52:26
  You know, I'm I'm little.
• 52:27
  Oh, it, it hooked up.
• 52:28
  You know what I mean?
• 52:29
  It's, it's one of those kind of things where it's just, it's built
• 52:31
  to perform and it's not just another, uh, you know, sedan that they threw.
• 52:36
  You know, I, I haven't driven a, a Cadillac CTSV lately, but, you know,
• 52:39
  I imagine it's not something like that where they just shoved a big engine in
• 52:42
  it and hope, you know, for the best.
• 52:43
  Right.
• 52:43
  Go on.
• 52:43
  It's designed to be a performance car, which I think is amazing.
• 52:47
  So I think, you know, for me, there's kind of two faces there, right?
• 52:50
  There's that corporate model of, you know, the marketing group who.
• 52:53
  Doesn't seem to pay attention to the heritage of BMW the way that we would,
• 52:57
  but then there's that M group that's really, really kind of getting in there.
• 53:00
  But you know, that journey for me, you mentioned Bob LUTs, you know that his, his
• 53:03
  book Idiots and Icons, and I've heard he takes, you know, credit for more things
• 53:07
  than he actually was responsible for, but you know, he claims responsibility for the
• 53:11
  2002 Turbo and, and Saban the round all the way it was and, and some other things.
• 53:15
  And maybe he was, but you know, you look back at those things, you know, the, the,
• 53:18
  the turbo for example, 2002 and then there was a gap for, you know, the, the 2002
• 53:22
  was around for a while and in various forms, tis and things, but really, you
• 53:26
  know, you had some other cars and then the E 21, which James loves, and then we
• 53:30
  got to the, to the E 30 M three, right?
• 53:32
  And that was kind of the first almost, I know we had M's, right?
• 53:35
  We had M fives and M sixes, but it was like, oh, we're gonna do this again.
• 53:38
  And then they've carried that on and it feels like they're making more performance
• 53:41
  oriented cars now than they were before.
• 53:44
  Um, they are obviously, but where I still get confused though,
• 53:47
  you know, I saw the other day.
• 53:48
  It was an X four M competition.
• 53:52
  I don't understand that at all.
• 53:53
  Right?
• 53:53
  To me, that's.
• 53:54
  Somebody in the marketing group is like, let's throw some labels on it
• 53:57
  so we can get a price tag for it.
• 53:58
  That's not really a performance.
• 53:59
  Yeah.
• 53:59
  We like to call that badge engineering.
• 54:01
  Right.
• 54:01
  And that's where I was kind of going with this in the sense of the future
• 54:04
  of BMW in that when one of our members, and one of our authors actually wrote
• 54:08
  an article about this and it was kind of the demise of the M badge, you know,
• 54:12
  like I don't think M holds as much value as it used to because they'll
• 54:16
  throw the M badge on anything to your point on our X five, on our next two.
• 54:20
  And you know, then there's the M 2 35 and the M1 30, you know, all
• 54:23
  this stuff and it makes no sense.
• 54:25
  Now granted, BMW is not the only guilty party here.
• 54:28
  Audi does the same thing.
• 54:29
  They will throw an S in an RSS on just about anything, right?
• 54:33
  It's like, what is going on over there?
• 54:35
  So there's a little bit of, I think, feel like badge engineering going on
• 54:38
  in the German manufacturers right now.
• 54:40
  Maybe they took a page outta Porsche's playbook because they
• 54:43
  started adding the alphabet after Carrera, you know, 20 years ago.
• 54:47
  We get it.
• 54:48
  But they took that from, from Chevy and, and Ford back in the
• 54:50
  eighties and, and late seventies.
• 54:52
  But I guess.
• 54:53
  It makes me just wonder where things are going.
• 54:55
  But it also raises another question and people don't realize.
• 54:58
  You know, you hear in the news now, even right now, Porsche and Rimac, right?
• 55:02
  It's a big deal.
• 55:03
  Like Porsche made a huge investment in Rimac.
• 55:05
  You know, Bugatti is part of the VAG family.
• 55:07
  You got Audi, you got Lamborghini, Volkswagen, all these like, it's
• 55:10
  now a big conglomerate, right?
• 55:12
  It's not just Porsche.
• 55:13
  And to your point, they've really transcended BMW people don't
• 55:17
  realize bought Rolls Royce.
• 55:19
  They own Mini Cooper, they own a lot of other brands in there.
• 55:22
  And are, you know, those of us that are in the know we go, oh X one.
• 55:26
  Yeah, that's a Mini Cooper, that's a countryman with different
• 55:28
  sheet metal on a big deal.
• 55:29
  Right?
• 55:29
  Stuff like that.
• 55:30
  Or you look at the minis and you go, well, it's a lot of BMW in here.
• 55:33
  You know, that kind of deal.
• 55:34
  Do you guys think that was the right move?
• 55:36
  Like has MW just kind of stepped to the side and said, oh, we gotta
• 55:40
  innovate by acquisition, right?
• 55:41
  We can't just do it alone anymore.
• 55:43
  I think there's a solid core in BM bmw.
• 55:45
  Donovan kind of, uh, said that as well, I think, and I, I don't think
• 55:49
  that just because there's a solid core to the company, there's very clearly
• 55:53
  a group of people in Germany, uh, I'm sorry, in Germany, in BMW, um,
• 55:58
  in the US and Germany that are very passionate about the roots of the brand.
• 56:02
  And, you know, there are some outspoken folks that won't let things go too far.
• 56:08
  Off the rails if they can help it.
• 56:10
  You know, to me that's part of a solid core.
• 56:12
  We lament so many things that the reality of it is we consumers we're
• 56:17
  not solely in control of the automotive market is a very difficult market.
• 56:22
  And to navigate where you're going to drive on a winding road that you've
• 56:26
  never seen before, you know it's tough.
• 56:28
  And you have to be prepared so far out ahead for so many
• 56:31
  different possible outcomes and shifts of how the industry goes.
• 56:35
  Just because you do it wrong occasionally.
• 56:38
  I think you have to be willing to do it wrong so you can evolve and do it right.
• 56:43
  And I think BMW isn't afraid to, to stick it out there and see if it works.
• 56:47
  You know, you're kind of, to your point before, Eric, do we do, are
• 56:49
  they just throwing it out there?
• 56:50
  I don't think that they're.
• 56:51
  Willy-nilly throwing it out there and just hoping something is gonna work.
• 56:55
  I think it's strategic on a variety of paths, many of which they
• 57:00
  feel very compelled to pursue.
• 57:02
  I know that they are on this model proliferation on the, the
• 57:06
  numerous models they now make.
• 57:08
  I think that that is very specifically to target a way that other manufacturers
• 57:13
  that they use as benchmarks have sold cars, and they feel like that's an
• 57:17
  important thing, that they'd love to just do it their way, but they're, they're
• 57:22
  gonna have to evolve and, and do some of these other things, but they still have
• 57:26
  that solid core that is a tremendous number of solid performance cars.
• 57:30
  So with that being said, and I know people are gonna hate me for this,
• 57:34
  and I already made, I already made the comparison between the E 36 and
• 57:36
  the Miata, but you know it, there's a lot of truth in that statement.
• 57:39
  But some of these other brands, specifically German and Italian brands,
• 57:43
  European, the big brands, they stand on these pedestals of racing, pedigree.
• 57:50
  Let's face it, Ferrari, Mercedes, Porsche, I mean, then the list goes
• 57:54
  on and on where they have these.
• 57:57
  Mountains of awards that they've won, and BMW does have racing pedigree,
• 58:01
  and we didn't really talk about it too much in motorsport, but I always feel
• 58:04
  like it's, it's a blip on the radar.
• 58:06
  And so these other companies, you know, their heritage comes
• 58:08
  from the racing pedigree.
• 58:10
  But for BMW, where does the heritage come from?
• 58:14
  German engineering and tradition.
• 58:16
  I, you know, I think there, there's certainly, um, part
• 58:18
  of that tradition is racing.
• 58:20
  I don't think that that's the only focus, you know, let's, we know that
• 58:24
  Porsche makes performance sports cars.
• 58:26
  That's what they do.
• 58:28
  And it's no shocker that using their production cars, which is performance
• 58:31
  sports, car market focused, that they have made tremendous race cars.
• 58:35
  Same for Ferrari.
• 58:36
  Mercedes rarely does it with their own production cars.
• 58:40
  Maybe a little bit recently they've dabbled, they'll build
• 58:43
  something and then, you know.
• 58:44
  Put their name on it, or, you know, I'm not gonna make fun of F1, but, but it's
• 58:49
  not, it's, it's not a Mercedes, you know?
• 58:51
  Let's face it.
• 58:51
  So b bmw.
• 58:52
  But even to your point, even, even to your point there, BMW dabbled in
• 58:56
  Formula One, it always feels like they're dabbling in motorsport, right.
• 58:59
  For a little bit.
• 59:00
  A little bit in IMSA and then they get out, right?
• 59:02
  They're always kind of there, but I never feel like they're at the front
• 59:06
  of Motorsport like they were for even a minute in lamonts with the V 12 LMR.
• 59:11
  But again, it's a blip in the radar because they were
• 59:13
  overshadowed by Audi, right.
• 59:14
  For many, many years after that.
• 59:16
  And so it's, it's always like, what's going on, guys?
• 59:19
  Like, pick something.
• 59:20
  I, I don't, I don't think that they are devoted to motorsport at a fool heart
• 59:25
  level, and not that the others are, you know, foolhardy in their pursuit.
• 59:28
  But I think there's always a very measured approach with BMW.
• 59:32
  And I think the world and the series organizers know that, that, you
• 59:35
  know, they're not here to stay.
• 59:36
  They're here to have a program and they put this program together and they run it.
• 59:39
  And they're not just headlong into this thing.
• 59:41
  No matter what happens, we're gonna have the leading F1 team.
• 59:45
  And they, they did it for a while and they were successful.
• 59:47
  And like I said before, they, they are a car manufacturer.
• 59:49
  They're not a racing car manufacturer, and they, they need to pivot as the
• 59:52
  industry pivots and F1 became not the important thing for them to pursue.
• 59:57
  If they stop pursuing it, you can't be afraid to stick your nose out and
• 1:00:01
  you can't be afraid to pull it back if you're gonna be an agile business.
• 1:00:04
  So it makes me wonder like some companies like Porsche and Ferrari, et cetera,
• 1:00:08
  that are at the front end of a lot of these motorsport, uh, disciplines that
• 1:00:12
  are out there, a lot of the technology that they develop, they use motorsport
• 1:00:16
  to refine and build and, and make better, and that eventually trickles
• 1:00:20
  its way down into the production cars.
• 1:00:23
  Is the same true of BMW because they don't spend, let's say,
• 1:00:26
  nearly as much time there.
• 1:00:27
  Are they using it as, you know, a science fair project?
• 1:00:30
  I don't, you know, I don't think it's a science fair project.
• 1:00:32
  You know, they, they got out of F1 when there was questionable future as
• 1:00:36
  to, as to what we're gonna be doing with internal combustion, et cetera.
• 1:00:39
  And then they, they started pursuing Formula E and they've gone after that
• 1:00:42
  when they were clearly behind in electric technology and they needed to get on
• 1:00:46
  board and spend more time on that.
• 1:00:47
  I don't, I don't think they're behind.
• 1:00:49
  I think they're innovative people.
• 1:00:50
  I don't think you have to innovate purely on the racetrack.
• 1:00:53
  Sometimes the racetrack is also the place to just show the world what you've done.
• 1:00:57
  Is it innovation?
• 1:00:58
  Is it showing the world what you've created and just, you know, you
• 1:01:01
  can't package it in a production car.
• 1:01:03
  So here it is on the racetrack for everybody to see.
• 1:01:05
  I like what they've done because I think it's prudent, prudent and racing
• 1:01:09
  maybe aren't the most compatible things.
• 1:01:11
  Um, you know, they're, they're certainly not for the most successful, you
• 1:01:15
  know, they're not for Ferrari, right?
• 1:01:17
  Nobody would say that their pursuit of motorsport excellence
• 1:01:19
  was necessarily prudent.
• 1:01:21
  But they took a different path and they, but they're a
• 1:01:23
  different company because of it.
• 1:01:24
  I, I think, you know, in this way.
• 1:01:27
  BMW has been true to its roots, which is a solid car.
• 1:01:30
  It's a performing car.
• 1:01:32
  You know, I often refer to it as a and and lovingly.
• 1:01:34
  So this is a working man's car.
• 1:01:36
  This is a, this is a little bit of a blue collar German car because I'm so
• 1:01:40
  fortunate, um, you know, from a Emerald standpoint to be in the BM BMW world.
• 1:01:45
  Because I can sell parts to people that make decisions and then
• 1:01:48
  put their hands on those parts when they put 'em on their car.
• 1:01:50
  That doesn't happen in Porsche world and, and Mercedes world,
• 1:01:53
  at least not to this level.
• 1:01:54
  So to those roots, I think the BM BMW approach has been pretty true.
• 1:01:58
  Donovan, anything you want to add before we segue?
• 1:02:01
  But I would say, you know, you talk about them being on a blip on the radar,
• 1:02:03
  I don't think that's totally fair.
• 1:02:05
  Right?
• 1:02:05
  You think about, you know, Mercedes was gone for many years after the Lamont
• 1:02:08
  incident and things, but you know, BMW is is kind of always been there, right?
• 1:02:12
  And, and kind of kicking ass when they do, even going back to seventies, like the CSL
• 1:02:15
  cars we talked about, you know, some of the other ones, the, the M three, the LMR,
• 1:02:20
  when they come on the scene, it's big, you know, I, I know what you mean about,
• 1:02:23
  they kind of come and they go, right?
• 1:02:24
  I'd love to see, you know, another BMW F1 team or a big, you know, l and
• 1:02:28
  p team and they'll get back to it.
• 1:02:29
  But I think when they do come in, it's big news.
• 1:02:33
  And you know, it's interesting.
• 1:02:34
  You guys are making a good point though.
• 1:02:35
  I never really thought about it this way, that, you know, I think
• 1:02:37
  it is absolutely true that Porsche develops nine 11 on the racetrack.
• 1:02:41
  I don't think BMW does that.
• 1:02:43
  Right.
• 1:02:43
  And I don't know.
• 1:02:44
  Right.
• 1:02:44
  But it, to me, it seems like the other way around, let's go out and, and
• 1:02:47
  test some technology or let's show off what we've done where we're not
• 1:02:49
  designing a race car for the street.
• 1:02:50
  It's kind of the other way around.
• 1:02:52
  So that's, I, I hadn't thought about it that way.
• 1:02:53
  It's kind interesting perspective, which I think is a great opportunity
• 1:02:57
  for us to now change gears.
• 1:02:59
  And talk a little bit about Bimmer World since James brought it up
• 1:03:02
  here as we were kind of wrapping up our talk on Motorsport.
• 1:03:06
  So for those of you that don't know what Biber World is, it is a premier
• 1:03:10
  North American BMW performance facility.
• 1:03:13
  Bimmer World Racing Drives development and keeps the company on the
• 1:03:16
  cutting edge of BMW performance.
• 1:03:18
  They make available for their customers applications for street, all the
• 1:03:22
  way through professional racing.
• 1:03:24
  And they are the most knowledgeable staff in the BMW market.
• 1:03:27
  So James, let's talk about Bber world as I've kind of set it up for you there.
• 1:03:31
  And tell us about the origin in the history.
• 1:03:33
  You alluded to being in, in BMW ownership from back in your college
• 1:03:37
  days, but how did you get from that?
• 1:03:39
  To being the president of Biber World.
• 1:03:41
  Oddly and I, I figured this out many years later, when you start
• 1:03:44
  a business, you are immediately the president of said business.
• 1:03:47
  So that wasn't that long of a path, as you might imagine, because I started
• 1:03:52
  my ownership of the BMW early on.
• 1:03:55
  We talked about that, the E 30 M three that I started taking to the racetrack.
• 1:03:58
  And since I was in college and I had enough money to buy the car, but
• 1:04:01
  not to do anything else, I started selling parts from the car back seats.
• 1:04:06
  You don't need those on a racetrack, AC compressor.
• 1:04:09
  You don't need that.
• 1:04:10
  You know the things out of the car.
• 1:04:12
  By definition, I was immediately president of Bimmer world.
• 1:04:15
  So I didn't, you know, didn't call it Bimmer World until
• 1:04:19
  maybe a couple years into that.
• 1:04:21
  And it was a way, you know, Bimmer World really is the name of my experience
• 1:04:25
  to be able to own, enjoy, appreciate, drive, race, whatever it is, BMW cars.
• 1:04:31
  And I'm lucky to have ended up, you know, with my nose down in a place that,
• 1:04:35
  that turned into a business with lots of great people that sells BMW parts to
• 1:04:40
  a, you know, a wide range of customer.
• 1:04:42
  But it was a long journey of figuring out how to keep a race car on track
• 1:04:46
  and, and do the things I love doing with the people I love doing it with.
• 1:04:49
  And so it, it just kind of turned into a company, I guess.
• 1:04:51
  So for those that don't know, what kind of products does Bimmer World offer?
• 1:04:54
  These days, we offer everything.
• 1:04:56
  We, we sell less expensive maintenance parts.
• 1:04:59
  Uh, you know, the aftermarket in the, in the way that, you know, if you,
• 1:05:02
  if you just need to have your car to get to work, we got you covered.
• 1:05:06
  We're cost effective.
• 1:05:07
  We sell floor mats.
• 1:05:08
  We sell stuff that my mom needs for her car, and then we, we sell.
• 1:05:13
  Racing parts and track parts and, you know, drifting parts.
• 1:05:17
  We haven't pursued some markets to the end of the earth, but we are, you know, in,
• 1:05:21
  in my opinion, it's a, it's a very wide range of products for anybody that owns A
• 1:05:26
  BMW and wants to get them from a supplier who can back them up with the knowledge
• 1:05:31
  on how to use them, how to select the right things, how to make the parts work
• 1:05:34
  in concert for the best possible outcome, which, you know, as you get more and
• 1:05:37
  more into the performance and racing world becomes a more important thing.
• 1:05:40
  For those of us that have been buying parts from Bimmer world, myself included,
• 1:05:44
  in every package you get, there's generally a couple things in the box.
• 1:05:49
  There's stickers and things like that, but what's the deal
• 1:05:52
  with the Haribo gummy bears?
• 1:05:54
  Not the gummy bears, right?
• 1:05:55
  The golden baron.
• 1:05:56
  So those are, those are straight from Germany and, and we go to great
• 1:06:01
  pains to get them from Germany.
• 1:06:02
  The FDA has tried to shut us down before.
• 1:06:05
  It's difficult to get the quantity of German.
• 1:06:08
  Golden baron that we get.
• 1:06:10
  But no, I just, I thought that'd be fun.
• 1:06:12
  You know, I, this whole business is the thing I like to do with
• 1:06:15
  the people I like doing it with.
• 1:06:17
  And it's fun and it needs to stay fun.
• 1:06:18
  And, and that's just one of those things, like I've always said to the
• 1:06:21
  people in, in our warehouse, you know, when somebody opens up package, it
• 1:06:24
  should feel like Christmas morning.
• 1:06:26
  So they should get a package that's well wrapped, that's well packaged,
• 1:06:29
  you know, that just looks like, gosh, that thing I've been waiting
• 1:06:32
  for and couldn't wait to arrive.
• 1:06:34
  And so it gets there and then, you know, there's more fun inside.
• 1:06:36
  It's, you know, there's parts, but then there's also, you know, the stickers,
• 1:06:40
  the gummy bears, the gold bear.
• 1:06:41
  And then, I don't know, I just thought it was a nice touch and, you know, it's,
• 1:06:44
  it's grown into something I never thought it would because sometimes we can be a
• 1:06:48
  slave to the bears and, and you know, I, I know when we're out of bears or
• 1:06:53
  you know, when they've, when we've had a shipment that wouldn't get clear customs
• 1:06:56
  or whatever, because I start getting hit.
• 1:06:58
  On social, you know, where are my bears?
• 1:07:00
  I didn't get the bears with the last shipment, you know, so it, it's a
• 1:07:02
  thing now, but that's all right.
• 1:07:04
  It's a fun thing.
• 1:07:05
  So was that something like when you were first getting started you were just
• 1:07:08
  like, uh, you just chuck it in the box?
• 1:07:10
  Like, why the gummy bears is just because No, not even because I used to get
• 1:07:14
  stuff when I was building my car back in the day with, from summit racing.
• 1:07:17
  I used to get stuff in the, in the box and stickers and stuff like that.
• 1:07:20
  I'm like, this, what's this crap?
• 1:07:21
  I don't need this.
• 1:07:22
  You know?
• 1:07:23
  I don't know, maybe I turn the corner, but, you know, at some point
• 1:07:25
  I, it just, it became fun, right?
• 1:07:27
  It's, I, I, I have no idea why, and I have no idea why they're German.
• 1:07:31
  I, I'll tell you what, I do a lot of my best, most creative work at like 3:00
• 1:07:36
  AM in the morning, and, and I don't do as many 3:00 AM work sessions as
• 1:07:40
  I used to, but sometimes, especially when I'm writing something or whatever,
• 1:07:44
  it just rolls at 3:00 AM That's just, that's the golden hour for me.
• 1:07:48
  And I have a feeling that this is one of those ideas that came up as I'm.
• 1:07:53
  At my desk doing work, dumping out whatever, whatever happens
• 1:07:56
  at those hours of the, the night.
• 1:07:58
  I, I've had a lot of horrible ideas.
• 1:08:00
  Um, so I'm, I'm glad we're talking about gummy bears, not.
• 1:08:03
  You know, hundreds of thousands of dollars that we've blown
• 1:08:06
  on failed racing programs.
• 1:08:07
  But, you know, they, they're all probably from that similar,
• 1:08:10
  uh, period of, of the evening.
• 1:08:12
  And for some reason it just felt like a good idea.
• 1:08:14
  I think it's a great idea.
• 1:08:15
  To me it's that added delight of, you know, oh cool, I got something special.
• 1:08:19
  And you think about it, package design is really important.
• 1:08:21
  Three times you open an Apple product and you're like, wow, this is really
• 1:08:23
  put together well, or you know, and I love the stickers too, so any stickers
• 1:08:27
  you wanna throw away, send my way.
• 1:08:28
  And we all have buddies that have them plastered all over
• 1:08:30
  their toolboxes and everything.
• 1:08:31
  There's a home for all this somewhere.
• 1:08:32
  So I think it's a really cool, absolutely.
• 1:08:34
  Awesome.
• 1:08:34
  Thank you.
• 1:08:35
  What's on the horizon?
• 1:08:36
  Is there anything new?
• 1:08:37
  Anything you want to tell the audience about with respect to Bimal?
• 1:08:41
  We just keep growing and we just keep doing what we do.
• 1:08:43
  I, again, you know, for me it's a, it's a lot about being able to do BMW things.
• 1:08:48
  I'm working to be able to do more of those things to kind of broaden our horizons.
• 1:08:52
  Um, Kevin, our marketing manager, came up with the idea, it's like,
• 1:08:55
  Hey, we're so focused on this racing world, in this performance world.
• 1:08:59
  There's a lot of other BMW worlds out there.
• 1:09:01
  So we're, we're working to kind of pursue those and enjoy those and
• 1:09:04
  participate alongside our customers.
• 1:09:07
  I think that's our current focus.
• 1:09:08
  I mean, we're, you know, we're working on race cars and new race programs.
• 1:09:11
  The GT four or GT three, I guess M four is coming out.
• 1:09:14
  We've got this pikes car that's, that's ridiculous and that thing's
• 1:09:17
  gonna gonna keep getting some love.
• 1:09:19
  And so there's, there's plenty of projects that we're working on,
• 1:09:22
  but you know, we're just trying to do everything BMW and do it well.
• 1:09:25
  And you know, I think that's our pursuit right now.
• 1:09:28
  And you actually brought up a really good point on our previous get together.
• 1:09:31
  When we talked, you were wearing your powerflex hat
• 1:09:33
  and not your Biber world hat.
• 1:09:35
  You guys were getting geeked and getting psyched up to take the E 36 2 Pikes Peak.
• 1:09:39
  So let's talk about that.
• 1:09:41
  How did it turn out?
• 1:09:42
  Good, the bad, the indifferent?
• 1:09:43
  So it was good.
• 1:09:45
  It was good in that it was a three and a half year project
• 1:09:47
  and we finally had that baby.
• 1:09:49
  It's an E 36 in loose words, but it is an E 36 with lots of E 36 DNA.
• 1:09:54
  It did go up the mountain successfully and quickly.
• 1:09:57
  You know, with a project this large in scope, I guess wasn't really
• 1:10:00
  a concern of mine because I know that the guys I'm working with,
• 1:10:02
  but I was proud to see that happen.
• 1:10:04
  It's the craziest car I've ever driven.
• 1:10:06
  The first time I've driven it.
• 1:10:08
  With the big motor, we dino it at 1,110 horsepower, but we couldn't
• 1:10:14
  put enough weight on the tires to, to keep 'em from spinning.
• 1:10:17
  So we don't know actually how much it made, but we know that we threw
• 1:10:20
  a hundred more millibar a boost at it on the mountain, and we
• 1:10:24
  made more power on the mountain.
• 1:10:25
  So we assume it's somewhere around, we'd said initially when we built
• 1:10:28
  the car, 1350 at, at the crank.
• 1:10:30
  And you know, we're, we're probably much closer to that at the tire right now.
• 1:10:35
  So Pike's Peak is this ridiculous event where you wake up at one something
• 1:10:39
  every morning so that you can be at, you know, on the mountain in line at
• 1:10:42
  three 30 in the morning, and you go up to your section in the dark, and then
• 1:10:46
  just as the sun starts to peak up and you've had your third or fourth coffee,
• 1:10:49
  you're starting to wake up a little bit.
• 1:10:52
  You strap into this thing and get launched, like it's a space shuttle
• 1:10:55
  and it's quite the wake up call and that was one of the most terrifying
• 1:11:00
  things I've ever, you know, to get woken up like that every morning, like
• 1:11:02
  here we go in this ridiculous machine.
• 1:11:05
  It was nuts.
• 1:11:06
  But it was amazing to get to your point, we finished third in class, ninth overall,
• 1:11:09
  we didn't get to run to the top 'cause there was ice on the top of the mountain,
• 1:11:12
  snowed eight inches the night before.
• 1:11:14
  It was foggy on the way up.
• 1:11:16
  It was an interesting event.
• 1:11:17
  But I love the car, I love the car I was in.
• 1:11:20
  I had so much fun in that thing and I'm gonna have a lot of fun as we
• 1:11:22
  continue to develop it for next year's hundredth running of that event.
• 1:11:26
  So I gotta ask, because I'm sure the audience is wondering too,
• 1:11:29
  1300 horsepower, let's just say theoretically, out of which BMW motor.
• 1:11:35
  It's an E 36, so it's, you know, wait, it has to be an E 36 motor, right?
• 1:11:39
  No, no, of course not.
• 1:11:40
  It's, and that's the best thing about an E 36.
• 1:11:43
  They can be anything.
• 1:11:44
  So that's out of a P 63, which is the Motorsport version of an S 63 tu, which
• 1:11:52
  is the current and outgoing M six GT three motor that we've hopped up quite a bit.
• 1:11:58
  So V eight twin turbo.
• 1:11:59
  Lots of boost.
• 1:12:00
  That's gnarly, man.
• 1:12:01
  That's really cool.
• 1:12:04
  So, any lessons, any lessons learned from that car?
• 1:12:08
  That's an experiment.
• 1:12:09
  It's also just throw it out there and show what we figured out, show
• 1:12:12
  what we can do, and we work with our partners on a build like this.
• 1:12:16
  And we do, we do stuff that's, it's really hard to translate it
• 1:12:19
  into things our customers will do.
• 1:12:21
  We certainly learned things.
• 1:12:23
  We've, you know, we were on a, a set of MCS four ways that, that's their
• 1:12:27
  new damper design and we got some good experience with those and, you know,
• 1:12:31
  had some revisions and so forth that, that will serve us well as we, as we
• 1:12:34
  bring those to market various things.
• 1:12:36
  It, you know, we're, we're not gonna put a transaxle in a lot of people's cars.
• 1:12:39
  We're not gonna put arrow at the, the level that this car has it on anyone's
• 1:12:43
  car, but, you know, we're, we're gonna go to the wind tunnel and we'll get to, we'll
• 1:12:46
  get to play with Arrow on a project that has the budget for that, and then we'll
• 1:12:49
  be able to translate that in general terms to things that we do with customer cars
• 1:12:53
  and our own product line and so forth.
• 1:12:55
  So there's always learning opportunities and the better you get at translating
• 1:12:59
  'em to the things that make money instead of just blow money, the more
• 1:13:02
  successful we are at our business.
• 1:13:04
  In closing, anything else you'd like to add about bimmer world that you wanna
• 1:13:07
  share with the rest of the audience?
• 1:13:09
  I say it and, and maybe, uh, not often enough.
• 1:13:11
  First of all, in the, and the core thing is, you know,
• 1:13:14
  Bimmer world is, is our people.
• 1:13:15
  And, and I love people I work with and what we do, and I love
• 1:13:19
  that our customers do as well.
• 1:13:20
  I get a lot of great feedback on that.
• 1:13:22
  We're all here doing it because we love doing it.
• 1:13:24
  And so that's kind of a core piece to me.
• 1:13:26
  But I love growing stuff.
• 1:13:27
  I, I love just for growing stuff, just for that reason.
• 1:13:30
  Just like, I want to go fast just because I want to go fast, because I
• 1:13:34
  wanna win races just because you should be standing at the top of the podium.
• 1:13:36
  It's just, it's, you know, the, the drive to grow things.
• 1:13:39
  But I'll tell you in the, in the world of larger business and private equity
• 1:13:44
  and all that stuff, I'm really thankful to have chosen a career that I'm able
• 1:13:48
  to still do what I love with people.
• 1:13:50
  I love doing it with and without any of the BS that seems to, if you're
• 1:13:55
  not careful, find its way into to the thing that you like doing and.
• 1:13:58
  Make it not as much fun as it used to be.
• 1:14:00
  Thanks.
• 1:14:01
  Thanks everybody for supporting us and giving me that opportunity.
• 1:14:04
  And I, we get thanks a lot for, you know, the things that we do, but can't
• 1:14:07
  thank my staff and my customers enough for really allowing me to do what I do.
• 1:14:11
  So yeah, that's awesome.
• 1:14:12
  A lot of us are still trying to realize that dream, right?
• 1:14:15
  Doing what we love and getting paid to do it, I suppose.
• 1:14:18
  But, uh, that, that's super admirable and very awesome and congratulations
• 1:14:21
  on all your guys' success over these many, many years of being in business
• 1:14:24
  with Bimmer World and going from just BMW enthusiasts to, you know, this,
• 1:14:28
  this big company and big support system for BMW and BMW enthusiasts.
• 1:14:33
  So I do have one.
• 1:14:35
  Kind of pit stop s question that I've been holding before we wrap up here.
• 1:14:39
  And it's for both of you guys.
• 1:14:41
  So I'm gonna make this one optional.
• 1:14:42
  We ask this a lot.
• 1:14:43
  It's the, you know, the island question we call it, or the the three car garage.
• 1:14:48
  So I'm curious your guys' opinion, and I've probably asked you both this
• 1:14:51
  before on previous pit stops, but just to refresh our audience's mind, you
• 1:14:55
  have the option of filling your three car garage with three BMWs and it's the
• 1:14:58
  only three BMWs you can have for the rest of your life or any three cars.
• 1:15:03
  And money is no object.
• 1:15:04
  So I'll start with Donovan.
• 1:15:06
  What's in your three car garage?
• 1:15:07
  Oh man, I'm gonna say BMW since this is a BMW question and I'm gonna
• 1:15:12
  exclude anything that I currently own.
• 1:15:14
  So I'll go high side M one's gotta be in there just for the collector value.
• 1:15:19
  I think Dixie and A and an O2 turbo.
• 1:15:21
  I think those are gotta be, I mean, and I'm taking the, the
• 1:15:24
  collector ish out of it, right?
• 1:15:25
  Assuming they're all equal.
• 1:15:27
  Yeah, we'll stick with that.
• 1:15:28
  James, what do you think?
• 1:15:29
  Yep.
• 1:15:30
  BMWs, because that's what we're talking about.
• 1:15:32
  I think I'm gonna put that 3 28 in there and I might take it out of
• 1:15:35
  the garage occasionally, especially since I didn't pay anything for it.
• 1:15:38
  It just transported its way into my three car garage, which I also don't have.
• 1:15:41
  But you know, whatever, there's gotta be an E 36.
• 1:15:44
  I absolutely love them.
• 1:15:45
  And since I get to choose whatever I want, I wanna take that chia E
• 1:15:50
  36, because I think that's the most gorgeous car BMW made and you know,
• 1:15:54
  of a, of an arrow of the touring cars that I just absolutely loved.
• 1:15:57
  So the chia E 36 will be in there.
• 1:16:00
  And then, because we've gotten the opportunity to talk about 'em so
• 1:16:03
  much tonight, and a little thumb of the nose to some people out there.
• 1:16:07
  I'm gonna put a G 80 in there because I think they're gorgeous and I'm
• 1:16:11
  gonna back that puppy in so that when I open the garage door, all
• 1:16:14
  you get to see is the the grill.
• 1:16:16
  And I think you may not appreciate it now, but you're gonna learn to
• 1:16:19
  love it whether you like it or not.
• 1:16:23
  Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:16:24
  That's awesome.
• 1:16:25
  Well folks, for more information on BMWs, your source has got to be Bimmer World.
• 1:16:31
  You can find them@www.bimmerworld.com or Instagram and Facebook at Bimmer World.
• 1:16:38
  But if you wanna continue this chat or express your opinions, be
• 1:16:41
  sure to join Donovan on Garage.
• 1:16:44
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• 1:16:50
  or download the Garage Riot app.
• 1:16:52
  From the Apple or Google Play stores and sign up today for free.
• 1:16:56
  So that being said, both of you gentlemen, this has been a blast.
• 1:16:59
  I know you, I gave you both grief.
• 1:17:01
  I, I understand both your passion, your love, and your pain for BMWs.
• 1:17:06
  And you know, I can't thank you both enough for coming on the show.
• 1:17:08
  I think this has been a lot of fun.
• 1:17:10
  Believe people learn something along the way and, you know, if you've got
• 1:17:13
  comments, questions, or suggestions, you know where to put 'em, drop us a line
• 1:17:20
  on, uh, Instagram or Facebook or any of the social media platforms we're on.
• 1:17:24
  We're happy to hear from anybody out there.
• 1:17:26
  But again, thank you to both of you guys for coming on here.
• 1:17:28
  This has been really awesome.
• 1:17:29
  Yeah, thanks for having me again.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah, thanks so much.
• 1:17:31
  And, and this is a podcast, so it's audio only.
• 1:17:34
  So everybody won't get to appreciate.
• 1:17:36
  One of the things that I enjoyed most is every time you would say
• 1:17:39
  something about BMWs, it was negative.
• 1:17:41
  I love Donovan's eye roll and then like, look up in the corner or whatever.
• 1:17:45
  Amazing.
• 1:17:46
  So just know that, that you're up against two BMW guys and
• 1:17:49
  it's not a fair fight tonight.
• 1:17:51
  Alright, well we'll have you back for the VAG episode then.
• 1:17:53
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• 1:17:58
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• 1:18:04
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