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Not So Fast Episode 19 · Not So Fast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst. Not so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff.
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  Speaker 3: He's Paul Pabst. You might sense some tension on the
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  Speaker 3: set today. There is a big matchup tonight, of course,
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  Speaker 3: Eagles at Bears. I'm a lifelong Philadelphia Eagles fan. Paul
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  Speaker 3: is a lifelong Bears fan. So we're usually good friends.
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  Speaker 2: Not today, my friend.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're pulling the Band-Aid on this one.
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  Speaker 5: We got a lot of Week 3 to get to,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of college football to get to. But it's
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  Speaker 5: a saucy matchup tonight because we're going to break it down.
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  Speaker 5: Third-string quarterback versus first-string quarterback who the home fans don't
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  Speaker 5: always back. That's a recipe for a mess.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to be a weird, weird game because, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: Case Keenum is likely to start. Case Keenum is actually
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  Speaker 3: a very good friend of mine. I have very conflicted feelings. And,
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  Speaker 3: of course, we have a lot going on in baseball
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  Speaker 3: with the Phillies and the Cubs and the White Sox.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much to go to that let's not make
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  Speaker 3: this personal, though. Let's talk about the actual games, not ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: Well, keep it friendly, as we always do here.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start out with the Ravens-Cowboys. I've got to be honest, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea who was going to win this
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  Speaker 3: game until it was actually over. insane ending. Ravens win 34-31.
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  Speaker 3: Seven seconds left, drive down, kick the game-winning field goal.
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  Speaker 2: What stood out to you?
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  Speaker 5: Well, this is a great play. I mean, seven seconds left.
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  Speaker 5: You have a timeout left, and J.J. Watt's calling the game.
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  Speaker 5: He's like, You either have to throw to the sidelines,
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  Speaker 5: but because you have a timeout left, the middle of
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  Speaker 5: the field's in play. And it's like the Cowboys' defense
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  Speaker 5: didn't realize the middle of the field was in play
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  Speaker 5: and that you don't need that many yards to set
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  Speaker 5: up this kind of kick.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys actually blew this game in their
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  Speaker 2: last possession.
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  Speaker 4: Totally.
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  Speaker 2: They had the ball. They were first and two after
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  Speaker 2: a really bad defensive pass interference call.
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  Speaker 3: They're first and goal, and they get a false start.
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  Speaker 3: This is so Cowboys. They are right at the finish line,
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  Speaker 3: and they find a way to blow it.
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  Speaker 2: And to me.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Paul, this has been going on the
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  Speaker 3: whole Jerry Jones era. It's not just this game. They
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  Speaker 3: find ways to lose.
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  Speaker 5: There was this picture on Twitter where someone says, the
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  Speaker 5: Cowboys found a way to lose this game, and it's
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  Speaker 5: first and goal, 21 seconds to go. You really put
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  Speaker 5: losing in play, and that's one of those games. I
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  Speaker 5: can remember the Cowboys last year. They had a game
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  Speaker 5: maybe a year before where they tied the Packers. And
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  Speaker 5: right now, that loss doesn't look so bad. Oh, you
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  Speaker 5: lost to the Ravens.
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  Speaker 4: Not so bad. But if you miss the playoffs by
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  Speaker 4: half a game, you're going to remember this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Ravens are a tough opponent. It
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  Speaker 2: was a wild game in Brazil. It looked really fun. J.J.
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  Speaker 3: Watt was amazing. It was a great game. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's an inter-conference game, Paul. So I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: it really makes a difference in the playoff race. This
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  Speaker 3: is a good team to lose to.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that they were so close.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's bad for momentum because they did a
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  Speaker 5: pretty good job on Derrick Henry.
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  Speaker 4: They held him to three yards a carry. and 25
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  Speaker 4: of those are on one carry. And so the defense
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  Speaker 4: stepped up.
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  Speaker 5: Last year, remember Jerry Jones talked about how we need
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  Speaker 5: to stop the run.
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  Speaker 4: They did. Not stopped, but they controlled Derrick Henry. They
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  Speaker 4: didn't control Lamar.
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  Speaker 5: But it felt like they were improving, and this would
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  Speaker 5: have been one of those wins where it was defense first.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you're right, because the Giants ran all over them
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  Speaker 3: in week one. I don't think it's a huge deal.
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  Speaker 3: You did see Dak Prescott has elevated his game. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to say top five quarterback in the NFL right now.
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  Speaker 3: He makes every throw.
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  Speaker 2: He looks unbelievable. And with that wide receiver duo, and
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  Speaker 2: they ran the ball on Sunday, I think they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be fine. But to me, when they get to
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs, they're going to find a way to lose
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  Speaker 2: it again.
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  Speaker 5: See, I think this is the kind of game where
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  Speaker 5: you don't make the playoffs, where the rest of the
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  Speaker 5: NFC chews each other up. The NFC West, I should say,
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  Speaker 5: the NFC East, And this is one of those games
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  Speaker 5: that you remember six weeks from now going, that's the
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  Speaker 5: one we had.
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  Speaker 4: We were going to steal a win that should have
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  Speaker 4: been a loss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What about the turf coming in? Were you expecting
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  Speaker 2: something major to happen?
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  Speaker 5: So I'm watching beforehand. Again, they're showing pictures of the turf.
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  Speaker 5: And they had this big machine that was like stitching
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  Speaker 5: the turf together and putting turf.
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  Speaker 4: It looked like Brian Urlacher. Remember he went from bald
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  Speaker 4: to having hair?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The field went from ball to having grass on it,
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  Speaker 5: and it wasn't that big of a story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a couple plays. Zay Flowers, the excellent
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  Speaker 3: Ravens receiver, made a couple cuts. I'm like, ooh, that's
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  Speaker 3: going to be bad. Lamar made some cuts, but they
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  Speaker 3: all came out okay. That, to me, there was a
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  Speaker 3: couple injuries. That, to me, was the game of the
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  Speaker 3: year so far.
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  Speaker 5: What was really funny is people were saying, this is
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  Speaker 5: going to be a disaster, and this is really going
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  Speaker 5: to pump the brakes on international games.
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  Speaker 4: Not so fast, my friend.
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  Speaker 5: They're going international more and more, and they'll do whatever
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  Speaker 5: they can to partially fix that field just for the game.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I think the rating is going to be, at peak,
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  Speaker 3: $ 40 million or something. It's going to be like an
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  Speaker 3: NFC title game. Any Cowboys 4 o'clock game rates high,
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  Speaker 3: people probably tuned in because it was so close. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't like international play, I think this is
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  Speaker 3: their excuse to add double the amount.
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  Speaker 2: They're going over there.
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  Speaker 4: Where are we going next? Last night's game?
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  Speaker 3: By the way, then last night's game is almost a repeat.
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  Speaker 3: The Broncos beat the Rams 30-26.
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  Speaker 2: Another game, you had no idea who was going to
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  Speaker 2: win this game until the very, very end.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is one of those games, if you watch
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  Speaker 5: the last few plays, it felt like the Rams defensive
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  Speaker 5: back did not commit P.I. and had a great interception,
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  Speaker 5: walk off, close it out. You have a little scare
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  Speaker 5: in the second half from Bo Nix, but that was
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  Speaker 5: one of those games where you should have pulled this off.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if you watch this play, this looks like
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  Speaker 5: normal battling, a little floater. And that is an awesome interception.
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  Speaker 5: That's one of those where the receiver is selling it
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  Speaker 5: and the ref falls for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know everybody's saying this. I mean, he clearly
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  Speaker 3: grabbed him and held him. I would have called it
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  Speaker 3: a holding.
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  Speaker 5: The other ref's in a way better position to make
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  Speaker 5: the call.
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  Speaker 3: Are you sure that he did grab his waist and
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  Speaker 3: turn him a little bit before the ball was in
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  Speaker 3: the air?
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it was manhandled. I think it was
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  Speaker 4: lightly manhandled.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Terry McCauley went off on that call, the NBC officiating expert.
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  Speaker 3: Either way, how important is this loss for the Rams?
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  Speaker 3: You know, they were supposed to be this dream team.
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  Speaker 3: Now they're 1-2. Has it turned into a nightmare team, Paul?
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  Speaker 2: No, look at you.
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  Speaker 5: Scare headlines for a lot of classic. I would say
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  Speaker 5: this is one of those. Again, when the Rams are
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  Speaker 5: on the road in the playoffs and not playing at home,
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  Speaker 5: it's games like this because of that. We're going to
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  Speaker 5: talk later about the 49ers. And if you look at
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  Speaker 5: what happened to Seattle, everyone's kind of close enough where
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  Speaker 5: it's not that big of a deal. You get Miles
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  Speaker 5: Garrett back. You get Puka back full speed in October.
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  Speaker 5: This could be a memory.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great point.
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  Speaker 3: But they do have the Eagles coming up and they
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  Speaker 3: have the Bills after that. There's a chance that it
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  Speaker 3: gets late early for the L.A.
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  Speaker 2: Rams.
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  Speaker 3: It's no guarantee because last night they looked good. I
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  Speaker 3: thought they thought they had the game won at halftime
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  Speaker 3: and that sort of gave up on the game. So
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  Speaker 3: they can't play like that. They did in the second half,
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  Speaker 3: lost some urgency.
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  Speaker 5: And if you look at this Rams schedule here, that
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  Speaker 5: game against the Cardinals and that game against the Raiders,
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  Speaker 5: we penciled it as easy W's a month ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the Cardinals, I think. And now the
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  Speaker 3: Chargers game is the W. I mean, Cardinals, Chargers, Commanders, Cardinals.
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  Speaker 3: When I look at that, but then you got the
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs later in the season. The Niners look outstanding. The
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  Speaker 3: Rams can't mess around. They messed around on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 3: That's what really bothered me. If they had just sort
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  Speaker 3: of kept the foot on the gas, they easily should
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  Speaker 3: have beat Denver.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how Bo Nix does this, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: If we had a text chain earlier that night complaining
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  Speaker 3: about the Broncos not putting up a fight and how
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  Speaker 3: bad Bo Nix looked, and then he always does this.
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  Speaker 5: See, it does remind me of Caleb Williams last year,
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  Speaker 5: where all these games, they're losing the first half, they're
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  Speaker 5: losing the second half. Bo Nix is a great fourth-quarter quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: He's not a great one, two, and third-quarter quarterback. And
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  Speaker 5: this is a little bit like Caleb.
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  Speaker 4: Williams last year.
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  Speaker 5: Bo Nix is clutch but not great, and sometimes that's enough.
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  Speaker 5: I'd rather have a guy who's clutch than a guy
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  Speaker 5: who can't get it done.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, that's not a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't this that 8-9 fourth quarter games went to Bo
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  Speaker 3: Nix last year? It is a mysterious team to me,
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  Speaker 3: and they had some issues on defense.
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  Speaker 2: Early on, it looked like the Broncos were non-threatening.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my Super Bowl matchup, Paul, is Denver against L.A.,
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  Speaker 3: and I wanted a mulligan big time after week one.
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  Speaker 2: Now I think I'm back in. I'm back in on
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  Speaker 2: Broncos versus the Rams.
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  Speaker 5: I'm with you because I think the Broncos up their talent.
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  Speaker 5: Once Jalen Waddell gets going and gets enough targets like
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  Speaker 5: he didn't get week one, I think they're going to
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  Speaker 5: be fine.
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  Speaker 4: This is one of those things.
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  Speaker 5: If your problem is your quarterback is great at fourth
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  Speaker 5: quarter comebacks, that's not a problem.
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  Speaker 2: If you gave me a mulligan, which team do you
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  Speaker 2: think I should pull out of that?
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  Speaker 3: If I get one different team, the Rams 1 and 2,
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  Speaker 3: I actually feel okay.
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  Speaker 2: With them as my Super Bowl team.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you should because talent usually plays out.
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  Speaker 5: I will say that the Niners are throwing a wrench.
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  Speaker 4: Into all of this.
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  Speaker 3: They're a problem. They're a major problem in my Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl pick. I actually thought if I could create a
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: time machine, I might go back and pick the Niners.
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  Speaker 5: If you could, let me know because I want to
• 8:05
  Speaker 5: go back and go to a couple of Bears games.
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  Speaker 5: All right, let's get to college football. This was a
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  Speaker 5: really huge weekend on paper, college football, and it really
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  Speaker 5: turned out to be a great weekend all over the
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  Speaker 5: place in college football. Florida rolls the Ole Miss, Iowa
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  Speaker 5: over Michigan, Texas over Tennessee, but the USC-Oregon game was
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  Speaker 5: the fallout game of the weekend. Oregon's playing well. USC
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  Speaker 5: was 4-0, but a very shaky 4-0. Early in the game,
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  Speaker 5: Dante Moore of Oregon gets knocked out. He got actually
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  Speaker 5: knocked out of the game. Dylan Riella comes in. You
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  Speaker 5: remember him from his college football tour he's been making
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  Speaker 5: the past few years, and they actually played fantastic. Oregon
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  Speaker 5: beat USC with a backup quarterback, and Raiola did everything.
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  Speaker 5: If you watch this play here, this is the Dante
• 8:43
  Speaker 5: Moore slide and hit. This is as bad as it gets. Now,
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  Speaker 5: we could talk more about this later, but this is,
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  Speaker 5: if you want to say, watching in slow motion, that
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  Speaker 5: he slid a little late, maybe, but that doesn't excuse
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  Speaker 5: the other half of it.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, there was a lot of targeting
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: this weekend. There were a lot of Helmuth-Delma hits. Leading
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  Speaker 3: with the elbow like that is totally unacceptable. I think personally,
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  Speaker 3: His post-injury reaction is what doomed the USC player.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Desmond Stevens, the USC linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: He was caught on camera celebrating on the sideline. You
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  Speaker 3: don't celebrate when somebody's in serious trouble.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, even if the hits happen, clearly he didn't hold up.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's football. It's absolutely vicious hits like that happen
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  Speaker 2: all the time. Right.
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  Speaker 5: The sideline guys, the position coaches on USC have to
• 9:27
  Speaker 5: save him from his health. They've got to sit him
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  Speaker 5: down and say, hey, calm down, stop high-fiving.
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  Speaker 4: You're making this worse. And USC, as everyone knows, had
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  Speaker 4: to suspend him the day before.
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  Speaker 5: But bigger picture is fallout of the weekend, Lincoln Riley
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  Speaker 5: and USC, if there was a honeymoon, it's well over.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny to me.
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  Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley seemingly left Oklahoma because he didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: follow Oklahoma to the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: And then he goes to USC. And then what's USC do?
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  Speaker 3: Go to the Big Ten, which is particularly not suited
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  Speaker 3: for Lincoln Riley. He needs to be in the Big
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: 12 ball where there's not such a thing as two
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  Speaker 3: sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: There is just no toughness to a Lincoln Riley USC team.
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  Speaker 4: And they've got talent. They've got a lot of young talent.
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  Speaker 5: They do have a quarterback, but it just doesn't feel
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  Speaker 5: like they're threatening week to week. USC's next few games, Washington,
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  Speaker 5: Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Indiana, then UCLA to finish
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  Speaker 5: the season. I mean, they should be favored in most
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  Speaker 5: of them. I'm not sure today. I don't think today
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  Speaker 5: they're going to be favored in all of those. Is
• 10:24
  Speaker 5: that a team, USC, that fires their coach not midseason
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  Speaker 5: but end of season?
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  Speaker 2: So I saw different numbers on the buyout, between 70
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: and 80 million.
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  Speaker 4: For Lincoln Riley.
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  Speaker 3: For Lincoln Riley. So I don't think they want to
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: pay that money for the buyout. I think a lot
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: of people are going to be turned off by that money.
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  Speaker 3: But it's even a bigger picture. Lincoln Riley brought in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of young studs, especially their defensive end, Luke Waffle.
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  Speaker 2: I think USC is not dumb. If you fire Lincoln Riley,
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  Speaker 2: they're gone.
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  Speaker 5: So your concern is if you let the players go
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  Speaker 5: by getting rid of your coach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think generally, because it's USC and the way that
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: they work, I do not think Lincoln Riley is going
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  Speaker 3: to get fired.
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  Speaker 2: What's your take? Do you think he's gone?
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  Speaker 5: I think you're in a position where it's going to
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: be like where the wag the dog. The boosters are
• 11:04
  Speaker 5: going to say, we want this guy gone. And they'll
• 11:05
  Speaker 5: say USC is going to say, you've got to pay
• 11:07
  Speaker 5: for it. Yeah, we'll fire whoever you want, but you
• 11:10
  Speaker 5: guys got to pick up the buyout like they do
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  Speaker 5: at Texas A & M, like they do at Clemson,
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  Speaker 5: like they do at Florida State.
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  Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, but this is overall just
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: a very bad situation. By the way, I got something
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: in my ear, but I got a major NFL trade.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Major. Do you want it now or do you
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: want it after the break? I got to give it
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 4: Let's do it now.
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  Speaker 2: I got to give it to you.
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  Speaker 4: A major NFL. Can you give me a hint?
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  Speaker 2: Quarterback. You're going to guess it. I'll let you guess.
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  Speaker 2: It's a quarterback trade.
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  Speaker 5: Mac Jones has been traded to the New York Giants.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: Right team, wrong player. J.J. McCarthy is reunited with a Harbaugh. J.J.
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: McCarthy goes from Minnesota to the New York Giants. Of course,
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: played for Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. Now he goes with
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: John Harbaugh. Not a shock. Jameis Winston was awesome in
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: the interview, but did not play well.
• 11:53
  Speaker 5: I'm going to need a 20 to react to this
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: in the moment. I think this is great for the Vikings.
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: This is a problem that's out of the building. They
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: don't have to coach him. They don't have to deal
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: with him.
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  Speaker 2: It's over.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to take a lot of heat for the
• 12:03
  Speaker 5: direction of their franchise, but the problem is no longer
• 12:06
  Speaker 5: in the building. I think this is terrible for the
• 12:08
  Speaker 5: New York Giants.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Because you're not competing for anything this year.
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 5: This guy doesn't help you compete this year, and now
• 12:14
  Speaker 5: you've inserted a quarterback controversy into next year's Giants team.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: You're actually giving a lot of credit to J.J. McCarthy.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: Are you sure he's good enough to create a quarterback
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: controversy or win any games this year?
• 12:24
  Speaker 5: Well, why get rid of a fifth-round pick for someone
• 12:26
  Speaker 5: who you don't believe can push Jackson Dart? Now, you
• 12:28
  Speaker 5: have Jackson Dart hurt. And he has to come back
• 12:30
  Speaker 5: and deal with this, another young gunslinger.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got to be honest.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: If they had done Jameis for the next 14 weeks,
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: that would be a major, major problem.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: They could start losing bad.
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: But you like the lose-bad Giants.
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think J.J. McCarthy is going to win you
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: that many games. He's a developmental quarterback. So why not
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: bring another developmental arm into the building?
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what? It's a lottery ticket. What if
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: he's good?
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: Breaking news on Snapchat.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I love breaking news. I love to be
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: the one. You were close. By the way, Mac Jones,
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: if they had gotten Mac Jones, that would be bad.
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: But I was thinking that touchdown, I'm sorry, the interception
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: Cam Ward threw at the end of the Titans-Giants game,
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: that was four draft slots in one play. Basically, Jeremiah
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: Smith just got sent to Tennessee and not the New
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: York Giants.
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: We are cooking. All right, coming up next, we got
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: our warm takes.
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: I have a great Marvel movie analogy that Paul will
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: not understand, but you might.
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: That's Not So Fast, Pabst and Perloff. All right, Iowa City,
• 13:24
  Speaker 5: this is for you. Paps and Perloff, not so fast.
• 13:27
  Speaker 5: This is the midday pick-me-up.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: Final seconds, Iowa versus Michigan. Hank Brown, laser back shoulder.
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: Reese Vandersee for the win. You've got to review it, sure,
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: but that is a beautiful catch. Reese Vandersee, back shoulder
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: play from Hank Brown for the win on the road
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: for the Iowa Hawkeyes.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: Gorgeous.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: Gotta be honest, I was shocked Iowa got down the
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: field in that scenario.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: What does Iowa have a minute-long drive like that?
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: Well, it was fascinating for a couple reasons. Look at
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: this picture.
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: If I lived anywhere near Iowa City, I would wallpaper
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: my dining room in this picture. This is fantastic.
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: Really wild game, and Michigan gave it up at the end.
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: One thing that happened with Michigan, they made a play
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: late on that drive where they pushed someone out of bounds.
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: They got a 15-yard penalty. and made it instead of
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: a chuck.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: You saw it.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, sloppy play, late hits all over college football.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: It's really driving me crazy.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: No excuses.
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: It's time for some warm takes, and let's stay with it.
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: Warm takes here on Not So Fast. I will go first, Pearl.
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: I said this last Friday on warm takes that there
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: was three teams that needed to win this weekend for
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: multiple reasons, but to stay in the relevancy picture, maybe
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: not playoff picture. Iowa was one of them. Mississippi State
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: was one of them, and so was Florida. Iowa took
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: care of Michigan, and their reward? They get college game
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: day to come to their campus for the first time
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: in two decades.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: Now, they're going to face Ohio State next weekend. How's
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: that going to work out?
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: But you still get college game day. Mississippi State, Demario Taylor,
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: their quarterback, he is on the Heisman boards. He's on
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: draft boards. He's on all the boards. They love Mississippi State.
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: Feel good story. Really in the picture for the SEC.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: Great player. Really having a good time.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: And then there's Florida. Florida and their new coach, John Summerall,
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: they absolutely took woodshed to Ole Miss. They opened up
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: a can. and took care of them. And their running
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: back is fantastic. Their quarterback is doing well. But bigger picture,
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: Florida feels like respectable, good, threatening, even better than that
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: football again. And that's what John Summerall has done in
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: less than a month. Now, Florida is the big picture
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: team here. Can they go on a run in the SEC?
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: It gets tougher, never gets easier. They got all the
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: big boys coming up, Georgia, Arkansas, all the heavyweights. But
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: Florida football is To do that on national TV against
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: Ole Miss, one of the darlings, was fantastic. Really good
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: weekend for those three teams.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I want to talk about college football, too,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: in my warm day.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Well, let's continue this conversation because I actually have a major,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: major issue with college football.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: Are you poo-pooing something?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I'm poo-pooing the top 25. And I actually tweeted this
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: out on Saturday.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Watching all the games, there was so much bad football,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: so much sloppy football. I don't think they have enough
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: teams to fill out the top 25. I don't think
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: there's 25 teams there.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: There.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Start with the number one team, Texas. Why can't the
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Texas Longhorns run the football? It's been two years now
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: where anytime they play a tough opponent, it is guaranteed
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: to be third and 10 for Arch Manning.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Everyone's ripping Arch Manning.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I don't even think they're watching the game because a
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: big problem with Texas with all these pros on their
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: offensive line is they cannot run the ball. And they're
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: the number one team. And also, they are sloppy, stupid
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: personal fouls. Colin Simmons, maybe the best player in all
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: of college football with an idiotic personal foul. You see
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: it throughout college football. These guys are getting paid like pros, Paul.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Why don't they act like it and not have stupid
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: celebrations and hits that are nine yards out of bounds?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a good point.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: The Colin Simmons celebration where he pretended to urinate after
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: sacking the quarterback. We should be talking about his five
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: sack game.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: He was unbelievable. He looked great.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: But I think it's this NIL era. Remember, the defensive
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: lineman might make more than his position coach, and I'm
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: not being facetious there.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: He probably makes more.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't care.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: What are you telling me? The South Carolina player the
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: other day, he.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Was yelling his name. Yeah, he's already in the pros, basically.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Yes, and so when you see these guys celebrate and
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: coaches trying to tell them not to, What type of
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: authority do you have when someone's making more than you?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. So that gets back to my point about
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the rankings, though.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: The rankings make no sense because they're based on last
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: year's records, which are so irrelevant in college football because
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: of NIL and the transfer portal.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: For example, you say Mississippi State beat Missouri. How do
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: we know Missouri is not a 4-8 team? Michigan. Iowa
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: beat Michigan in their game day. Guess what? Michigan stinks.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: They run a high school offense, and they lost to
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Western Michigan. They beat Oklahoma. Oklahoma is a 2-10 team.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: These rankings are insane. They mean nothing. And the thing
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: about the committee is, the committee is so dumb. They're
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: going to look back and say, oh, wow, Iowa beat
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: a ranked Michigan team.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Guess what? That team doesn't belong to be ranked.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: They are just an arbitrary number that the AP put
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: on these teams earlier on in the year.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: And the committee better.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Be smart this year, Paul, because their rankings are based
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: on nothing, just like the helmet.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: That means nothing. And this is going to continue throughout
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the whole year. It's like, oh... Guess what?
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: We beat number 18 so-and-so.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Guess what?
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: That 18 so-and-so is probably a 500 team. Ole Miss
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: and LSU, the game of the year. How about the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: average two teams of the year? I just think that
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: everybody gets all excited for these games.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: But this year, I'm sorry. I'm eliminating it to the
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: top 11. Hold on. I got to work.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Cool off here.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: No more AP Top 25.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: It's just Top 11 and then a bunch of garbage.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Because people are doing dumb things out there and it's
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: driving me crazy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm with you because you went scorched earth
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: here but you have a lot of great points and
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: I think one of the points that you're making is
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: by setting up these rankings, you set up disappointment when
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: there's not real disappointment. They do this a lot of
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: it for TV. So you could say we have a
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: 12 versus 5 matchup. We have a 12 versus 17 matchup.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: You want to sell it for TV, but these teams,
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: we know nothing about them. In this NIL era, we
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: know even less.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Combined with the fact that nobody plays anybody because they
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: know the committee is going to ding them if they
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: lose an out-of-conference game. So everyone says to me, Georgia,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: what about Georgia? All the guys in the back were like, well,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Georgia's good. They've beaten Tennessee State, Western Kentucky, Arkansas, who's terrible,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and Oklahoma, who's even worse than Western Kentucky and Tennessee State.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So don't tell me about Georgia, Paul.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: You're snapping.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: The last time I saw you this mad was we
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: were on a road trip once, and the hotel restaurant
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: was closed when we got there, and you missed a meal.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Don't make pro-op men.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I lost the bats this weekend, Paul. I'm going to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: be honest. That's part of it. There you go.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: All right, here we go. Let's stay with a little
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: college football.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: This is my warm take on the USC linebacker Desmond
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Stevens and the Oregon quarterback Dante Moore. Clearly it was
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: a bad hit, terrible hit, cheap shot. Dante Moore, if
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: you want to say he slid late, Maybe, but either way,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: we have a deal.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Here in professional sports and college sports.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: The defensive players and the quarterback over the past 15
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: years have created this deal. And the deal is, I slide,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: you try to avoid taking my head off.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: We all win.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: We all go back to the huddle. You don't get
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: suspended for a week. You don't lose a game check.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: And the pros, and the pros these days, it seems
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: like they've learned. But the college kids, they're younger. They
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: want to make a statement. They want to be on
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: SportsCenter with a big hit. And this hit is going
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: to cost him a game. But it's like when you
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: merge on the highway, you go, I go. There's a
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: deal with defensive backs, linebackers, and quarterbacks.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I slide. You realize I'm sliding.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: You hit the brakes.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: We all kind of peel off from each other, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: we don't hit each other. This isn't the Kenny Pickett
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: era at Pitt where you could do the fake slide
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: and run. You can't do that. That's a penalty anymore.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: There's a deal in place. Everyone should respect it. It's
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: kind of weird because I'm giving myself up. I'm trying
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: not to hit you. That's not what we grew up on.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: But those days are gone. The days of Ronnie Lott
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: and those hits from the 80s and those VHS tapes,
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: best hits, they're gone. If you hit someone like this,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: you're not going to be celebrated. And if you celebrate
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: on the sidelines, you're really not going to be celebrated.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: So honor the deal, defensive backs, linebackers. You don't hit
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks on the slide. And quarterbacks, if you do
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: slide and you slide late, Be ready, because there's one
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: guy on every team who may do this to you.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well said.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: You know, the thing about that game, actually, I'm not
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: sure that the better quarterback didn't come in for Oregon.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Everyone kept saying a backup came in. It's not a
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: normal backup. Dylan Rayola obviously could have gone anywhere and started.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: He won the whole country.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I thought he was hurt.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I thought he was coming off an injury and wasn't
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: supposed to be himself. He looked better and more poised
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: than he had at any point of his career. So
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: it turned out to energize Oregon a little bit. And
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I hope Dante Moore is okay, but Oregon's still a
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: very competitive team.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Great job by Ariel with the bench.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I'll go to the NFL for my next warm take.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: The Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, Paul, I
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: know you don't follow this level of movies that much,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: but Avengers Endgame is in the theaters right now.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It's sort of a warm-up act.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: It's the old movie that happened about five years ago
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: for the new movie that's coming out in December with
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Doctor Doom, Doomsday. You know all about it. The key
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: to Avengers is Thanos is inevitable. The bad guy will
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: always be a problem. The Pittsburgh Steelers are the Thanos
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: of the NFL. They will always be 10 and 7.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: They are completely inevitable.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, say what you want. Everyone buried him last
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: week because he looked terrible. Guess what? It was raining.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's still basically.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Preseason for Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh did not really play Rodgers
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: in the preseason.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: What does he do? He comes out Sunday and is awesome.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Once again, the Steelers beat a divisional opponent that we
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: expected them to lose to. They are veering very strong
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: for their fourth straight 10-7 season. You know it's coming, Paul.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: You know that they're going to lose to some teams
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: that they should beat. You know that they're going to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: beat some teams that they shouldn't. And they're going to
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: end up at 10-7, losing the wild card. Now, they've
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: lost in the wild card round five out of the
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: last six years. They didn't make it the sixth year.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: They haven't won a playoff game since 2016. So I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: not talking about them for the Super Bowl, but I
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: am talking about them being a average team.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that Mike Tomlin's gone. They're still going
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: to be 10 and seven. Okay.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: A couple of things there to recap, because I'm a
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: little dizzy, like my algebra one face in high school
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: where I'm like, I don't know what's going on.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Thanos.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: I thought Thanos was that Elizabeth Holmes, uh, medical thing
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: that she created that big scam.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: So now I know what Thanos is. Thanks for clarifying.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Uh, Bigger picture is you are buying into the Steelers short-term, long-term,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: or medium-term.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not buying in. I'm saying they were 10-7. It's fact.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: They might as well just stop playing and come out
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to the wild card and lose to the Bills. Yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: they're going to be 10-7.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Remember Mike Tomlin never had a losing season, and you
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: could never figure out why, and he was always around.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: 500?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Before the 10-7 run, they were 9-8, 9-7-1, 12-4, 8-8, 9-6-1.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: The Steelers just find a way to be just average,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: not good enough to get a high draft pick for
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a quarterback. They might get a Kenny Pickett once in
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: a while, but it doesn't work out. They're going to
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: be like this forever. I don't care if Aaron Rodgers
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: is quarterback. I don't care if it's Big Ben. I
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: don't care if it's Mason Rudolph. You have to admit,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: there's just this thing about the Steelers. They always end
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: up in the same place. Did you expect them to
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: compete on Sunday?
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: No.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: We talked about it on Friday. We thought there'd be
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: no moving by Rodgers, no blocking for Rodgers.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: He moved incredibly well in the pocket. It was crazy.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: He looked like he was 28 on some plays. And
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: one play, he scrambled out to the right. He was
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: outrunning guys. Where was that the week before?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Time machine.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: All right, before we break, let's do a little not
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: so bad, not so good. We're chopping up all week three.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: We're having a great time here on Not So Fast.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Not so bad. I got one. This is a team
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: that's not as bad as people think. I'm going to
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: go with the Commanders.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Marcus Mariota is a nice backup quarterback, maybe a high-ish
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: end backup quarterback, and they took down the Seahawks. Now,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know how threatening they are, but if teams
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: like the Cowboys and the Eagles somehow give up games,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: like if the Eagles somehow lost tonight and the Giants
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: are going nowhere... We could have a little resurgence. Jane
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Daniels gets healthy. His elbow gets better. And Mario writes
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: the ship, not holds down the ship. He writes the ship,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: gets a win or two, and hands off and they
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: go on a run.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Possible?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: In my mind, that would be the biggest shock of
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: the NFL season. I don't see the Commanders winning more
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: than five games. And I don't even see the scenario where... Still,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: you didn't convince me.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: How?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: First of all, the Seahawks... They did it versus the Seahawks.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold was coming back. The Seahawks won in no
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: part with that one.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Sam Darnold, he wasn't gone for like five years. He
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: wasn't Colin Kaepernick.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: He was just a little rusty. They outgamed them by
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: about a million yards. That was a fluke, fluke win.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And honestly, I actually think more about draft position because
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: we'll see... The bigger issue for Washington, not even this season,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: do they commit to Jaden Daniels?
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Quickly, not so good, the Houston Texans.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: I know they've started slow before and found a way
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: to rally for the playoffs, but this doesn't look right.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: The defense looks mild. The offense looks non-threatening again. They
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: don't run the ball.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: C.J.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Stroud hasn't had a big, great game, it seems like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: in two years.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Well, it's shocking to me. Stroud's not the main problem, though.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I think the defense should be more scary.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: They should be pitching shutouts. I mean, Daniel Jones is
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: not that threatening.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's strange to me that they're 0-3.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: They had a tough first two games, obviously the Bills
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: and Josh Allen, but the Colts, the Colts without Alec Pierce,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like this is a must-win game and they
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: did not show up.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: All right, stick around.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: We're chopping up a lot more Week 3 on Not
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: So Fast. We'll get you ready for the baseball playoffs
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: on NBC tomorrow, more college football, and the Clip Joint.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Stick around. All that coming up. Not So Fast. Pass
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the pro off.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Not So Fast, Perloff and Papps. If
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: you hadn't heard, major trade in the NFL. Because of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: this injury to Jackson Dart, the Giants have traded for J.J.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: McCarthy for a fifth-round pick to Minnesota. I know Dart's
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: out for the season. To me, Paul, this doesn't say
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: that Dart is not the quarterback of their future.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It says we're going to take a flyer on J.J.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: McCarthy for this season.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Okay, sell this to me, because if I'm a Giants fan,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: I say... We're giving up a fifth-round draft pitch, which
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: is not nothing, but not a lot for a quarterback
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: in case they work out.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: But sell this to me as the future of our team.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: I thought it was all Jackson Dart when he got back,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: and now it's like you're sending a message, we don't
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: trust Jackson Dart's recovery.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. If you don't trust him physically,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: maybe so. But a fifth-round pick doesn't say we don't
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: believe in our first-round pick.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Think about it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: If they had traded a fifth-round pick for a backup quarterback,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't say that guy is going to challenge Jackson Dart.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Okay, so the best-case scenario here is J.J. McCarthy comes in,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: plays above-average football. and leads you to a couple wins
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: and out of the draft picture? I guess I'm saying,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: what is the goal here?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe there's a scenario where J.J. McCarthy's elite, and
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: then Jackson Dart.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Wait, what?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: I thought you were kidding.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Just because J.J.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: McCarthy didn't do anything with Kevin O'Connell, probably the best
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: quarterback coach in the entire NFC.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Last year, J.J.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: McCarthy, by the way, was not good. I'll pull out
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: a stat while we look at the Giants' schedule. 11 touchdowns,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: 12 picks, 57% completion percentage. and some tough teams on
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: this schedule.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: That's not good.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: We've seen reclamation projects.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I want to go back to Sam Darnold. He didn't
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: work out with the Jets.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: The Jets traded him to the Carolina Panthers. They got
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: a sixth round, a second round, and a fourth round
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: for Sam Darnold. That's pretty nice by the Jets. Clearly
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: what Minnesota is saying from their side of it is,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: we want this guy gone.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: We don't believe in him in any way.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: We'd rather have Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, and an open
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: future at the quarterback position.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I think they might have Max Brosmer on the practice squad.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: First team all Brosmer.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, actually, when they announced the quarterback move
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: in August, they did say J.J.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: McCarthy could be traded for. They were just waiting for
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: an injury. I think they're happy to get a fifth-round pick.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Minnesota is weirdly in really good shape football-wise for the
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: NFC North, but really weird shape quarterback-wise.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Well, not so fast. Kyler Murray did not look good
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: on Sunday.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: They have two questionable quarterbacks, but they're in really good
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: shape for maybe a playoff spot.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Probably, though. I mean, they've been outgained like crazy. There
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: is sort of a magic trick to be 3-0 for them.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Brian Flores, their defense coordinator, should take all the credit.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: None of the quarterbacks. But obviously, J.J.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: McCarthy wasn't going to contribute to that. This, to me,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: is a Harbaugh thing. The Harbaugh is like to keep
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it in family. Jim Harbaugh loved J.J.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: McCarthy. J.J. McCarthy saved his job at Michigan.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: So this is a brother favor.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: It's not even a favor. I think that the Harbaugh's
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: think alike. And Jim Harbaugh gets so excited about his quarterbacks.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: He's probably been talking about J.J. McCarthy at the Thanksgiving
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: dinner table for five years.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And John's like, well, you know what? Jim loves him.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And J.J. McCarthy, one thing about him, he can run.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: He can move a lot.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Well, I still like him as a quarterback prospect because
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: I thought at Michigan he reminded you of kind of
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: a poor man's Aaron Rodgers. Enough movement, big arm. All right,
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: let's riff the games. Let's riff the games week three.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Let's stay in the NFL pro. We did a little
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: college football minutes ago.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Here we go. You don't know what's coming here. How
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: real are the Raiders going forward?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Ooh, this 3-0 is a mirage. There's no doubt about it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: The schedule's been relatively easy. No, I didn't even make
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: that connection. Or the mirage to the casino. No, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: think the Raiders are good, not great. I think they
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: have a great chance to get a wild card. When
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I say that, I mean, they could be a wild card,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: but do not think for one second this is an
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: AFC contender.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you look at.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: That Kansas City Chiefs game. You do have Brock Bowers back.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: That feels great.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: He was awesome.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: You've got to feel like you could pick off a
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: win against New England, pick off a win against the Jets,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: and it might put you in where you're 4-3 going
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: into that point of the season, and so you keep Cousins.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely keep Cousins. Unfortunately, you've got the NFC West here.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Whoever has the AFC North, the Steelers and those teams,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: they have the NFC South, so that's just, they're going
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: to gobble up wins against that awful conference, so the Raiders'
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: schedule might make it tough for them in the wildcard competition.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: You are harsh and snarky today. I made my call
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: a couple weeks ago. I thought that Mendoza would start
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: against the Jets. I'm going to say he starts... The
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: second to last week of the season.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: How about the Jets in week three of next year?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Should we be talking about the San Francisco 49ers more
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: than we already are?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. They look so good, Paul. Brock Purdy
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: looks like an MVP candidate.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Nine touchdowns.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Christian McCaffrey is doing his thing. It's all about
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the old guys. George Kittle looks great. Debo Samuel looks great.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: And they were impressive the other day.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Listen, they let the Cardinals throw some yards yesterday.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Those are meaningless points. I am thrilled with the Niners.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Bosa comes back in maybe four to five weeks.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: You said something earlier in the show about two weeks ago.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: You said, The Niners are accustomed to having injured stars,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: so the Bosa injury is not that big of a deal.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Well, he's sort of their MVP. I think long-term, if
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you want to compete for a Super Bowl, then you
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: need Nick Bosa. To me, this season is.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: About Kyle Shanahan. We've been thinking about him. He has
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: to win a Super Bowl to get over the hump legacy-wise.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: And I didn't think it was going to happen this
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: year because they're so old and injury-prone.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: But guess what? I'm back on the Kyle Shanahan Super
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Bowl watch.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: If he wins the division, is he coach of the year?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Coach of the Year.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Over the Rams?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: No, because he's not. Because there's a formula for Coach
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: of the Year.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It's like a Heisman. Right.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: You have to be coaching a team that's not expected
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: to make the playoffs, and you somehow scare up a
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: playoff spot.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Right. So he had 12 wins last year, I believe.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: So you can't go from 12 wins to 14 wins.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But who cares about that? He might win a ring
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: because these old guys are playing amazing. All right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Two more Riff in the Games questions.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Will we, and I mean me, or the media or
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: the fans, embrace the Browns and their quarterback if they
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: continue to win?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: The national media, in my opinion, will never embrace Deshaun Watson.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: The local media very much will.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Begrudgingly? Begrudgingly, but winning football games means so much.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: There was a clip after the game where Deshaun Watson
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: ran into the tunnel and GM Andrew Barry gave him
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: a hug. And a lot of people in Cleveland thought
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: on social media, this is a feel-good moment. And let's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: face it, the Browns are hungry for a winner. What
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: would you do if you were in Cleveland?
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: It's one of those where you have to root for laundry.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: You can't say, I'm going to go out and get
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: a Deshaun Watson jersey. You're not going to do that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know what you tell your kids that the
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: quarterback you're clapping for if they Google his history, but
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: you have no choice.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Teams have been there.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: They have guys on the roster who are not beloved
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: by fans, but nobody thought Deshaun Watson would go on
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: a run. And when I say a run, he's throwing
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: like two touchdowns, no picks, and 200 yards a game.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: But if you're desperate as a Browns fan, you just
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: want some clean quarterback play.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Well, the key for Deshaun Watson is his ability to
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: run with the football. And my question, Paul, is can
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: he run like he did yesterday and not get hurt?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Because injuries were the problem the last four years.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: On the last drive of the game, he got hit
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: and had to come out for one play. He got
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: hit right in the face, and he does take some
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: unnecessary hits. All right, last one. And this is for tonight.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: As we said, Bears fan, Eagles fan, one of that
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: football soldier field. If the Eagles lose tonight, dot, dot, dot,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: finish that statement.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, the local media will kill offensive coordinator Sean Mannion.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, is he first to get the blame?
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: He's first to get the blame because last year the
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Eagles did nothing against the Bears. If you remember on
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Black Friday, the Bears destroyed them. But everyone is worried
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: about the offense right now because it's not moving a lot.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts has.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Made great fourth-quarter plays, but he's like Bo Nix and
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. The first three quarters have not been great.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's all about the offense.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: All right, that's us riffing the games.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Week three, send in your thoughts, and we'll get to
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: those a little bit in constructive criticism. But coming up next,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: it's time for the Cliff Join. David Pollock, Herm Edwards,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: and much, much more from the DP Show.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Stick around.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Not so fast. Pabst and Prowl.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Was there a guy that you did not want to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: tackle when you played? Like you had to, but you
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: knew it was going to hurt? The guy in our
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: division then was running back, you'll remember him, John Riggins. Right? Yeah, Riggo.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: You didn't want nothing to do with Riggins.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, Earl Campbell. Walter Payton.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It was a running back league.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: That's true. When I was in the league, it was
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: a runner's league.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: It was like, oh, boy, you got to play these guys.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Now it's a passing league, obviously, but it was a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: different set of circumstances in the years that I played.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Back on the clip joint, not so fast, Pabst and Perloff.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: That was Herm Edwards, always a great guest on the
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Dan Patrick Show. When he starts chopping up running backs,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: where does your mind go for?
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: We're children of the 80s.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: The running backs who maybe people don't know about as
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: much now, but you're like.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I wish you could have saw them play.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, Earl Campbell is at the top of the list.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Eric Dickerson with the upright running style would just be
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: cooking down the field.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: The rec spec goggles.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100 miles an hour.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Obviously, Bo Jackson, for anyone who didn't get to see
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: him actually play football, because I think he's more legend
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: and myth now, and people forget he was actually awesome.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the one is going back to Earl Campbell,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: like he said. If you didn't see live Earl Campbell's
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: first four years, they're really stunning. He was really uncoverable, untackleable,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: and he did it on national TV. There was a
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Monday night game that Al Michaels called, and he ran
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: 80 yards on a play.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the shoulder pads hanging out.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Watch those Earl Campbell. Eric Dickerson's another one.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: When he started going and you saw that track speed upright,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: you thought every record running back-wise was getting broken.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Which it kind of did.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Actually, I thought when I heard that clip, Modern day,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: who's the guy you don't want to tackle? For me,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: it was Adrian Peterson when he was at his peak.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I saw more guys make business decisions when he was
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: coming down the field, especially if it was cold out.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: People were just like, yeah, you go, Adrian. I'm good.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: But it doesn't feel like in this generation you can
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: have that guy who doesn't also catch passes.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Go back to Leonard Fournette out of LSU.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: When he came out of college, people thought this is
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: going to be the power back of this generation.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: But he was not a pass catcher. He was average
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: at it, so he didn't get enough runs.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Well, also Leonard Fournette didn't really truck people in the NFL.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He did at LSU. I'm going to tell you, some
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: guys are muscular.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: For example, the great Georgia running back, Herschel Walker, got
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: to the NFL. He was easy to tackle for some reason.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about? He had giant shoulder pads,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: but you could bring him down. For me, a guy
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: like Fournette is so strong and muscular, but a guy
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: like Derrick Henry, now that's.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Who I don't want to see.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Henry also does the, he'll baptize you with the
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: stiff arm. All right, sticking in with going back to
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: college football now, David Pollock was on the show with
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Dan Patrick, and he talked about Arch Manning and kind
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: of talked about how he's processing, how he's doing things,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: and had this recommendation or thought about Arch's future.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I think Arch Manning has exceptional talent. I think his
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: release is good. His arm is good. He has all
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: of the intangibles as well. He has the inside, the heart,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the character, everything that goes with it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: He has the size.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: He has everything you need, except Arch Manning's processing is
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: just a step slow. It's consistently a step slow. Reps
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: definitely help. The more reps you get help. Now listen,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Sarkeesian's offense isn't really an offense that you're going to
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: sit there and go through progressions consistently and do that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm not.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Saying he'll get that at Texas, but I think there's
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a good chance Arch Manning's back in college football next year.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: I think it's a real topic-ish. I don't see this
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: happening that he plays another year of college football, Arch.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: I think it's dependent on how far Texas goes, not
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: how far he drops or goes in the draft.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. If they don't win a title, for example,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you think Arch might be lured to come back to
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: try and win it all?
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like a first-round playoff exit in the college football
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: playoffs for Texas, I could see Arch going, no, no, no,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: not on my watch, because none of his father, his grandfather,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: his uncles, they want to get this.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Well, Peyton State of Tennessee, famously. Yep.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe to avoid the Jets. Eli stayed at Ole Miss.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I don't remember if Archie even had the choice of leaving.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: But Manning's stay doesn't need the NFL money. That's of
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: no interest to him. He's already getting paid a ton
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: of NIL. And his dad, Cooper, we know has plenty
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: of investments.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, he knows what he's doing.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: So there are a lot of reasons to think. I
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: just think that so much could go wrong for staying
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: another year.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: What's the point? I feel like there's more downside to it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: than upside. And we're even seeing it this year.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Texas seems to find ways to look bad.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything in.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: It for Orange. While winning.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: While winning.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: You know, and also, Arch is in a bad spot
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of time. I keep on saying this.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Texas won't, can't run the ball, won't run the ball.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Arch isn't a lot of third and nine, and no
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: one looks good in that. For example, on Saturday, he
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: only threw 19 passes, and everyone said Arch looked terrible.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't even on the field that much. Right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Well, because the reactions to Arch Manning are extreme either way.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: There's no measured— he' s the hot take feeder.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: And no one can say, you know, he had a
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: nice game. Nice game doesn't do it. No one gets
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: a click. So you said he had a nice but
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: non-threatening game. You've got to say it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: He was awful.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: He's not worth it. Is that really a Manning? It's
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: always way over the top, one direction or another.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. You nailed it. All right. Coming up. Oh, here
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: we go.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Dan Lanning, head coach of Oregon. Man, did he have
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: a good weekend. Took care of USC. Then afterwards in
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: the press conference, he decided to ease.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: No, he didn't ease up on them. He stepped on
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: the gas. Here's Dan Lanning.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's a disgusting play. You know, you don't want to
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: see it happen. It's disappointing that it happened.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm praying that our player is healthy and
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I'm praying that they're Their player can learn from that
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: situation because that's not a moment you want to be
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: a part of.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Three wins against these guys. I guess if you're interested
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: in winning football games and you're from this area, you
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: should go to Oregon.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: If you want to go to a Chris Brown concert,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: you should go here. That's a walk-off.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: That's an assault.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is old-school rivalry kind of thing. We
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: don't get a lot of this in college football.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Oregon, that's SEC talk out in Oregon, but you'll
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: love it. Hey, step on the gas, make a moment.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: He's trying to recruit every minute, and that's a recruiting
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: tool comment as much as it is jabbing comment.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I remember when Chip Kelly was at Oregon, he would
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: get all the LA kids to come up to Oregon,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: which is funny because it rains every day there, basically.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it rains money on his players, NIL-wise. That's what
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: I would tell him.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you obviously got Phil Knight and Nike up there.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: This was so embarrassing for USC because they had every
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: chance to win a backup quarterback, and Oregon has not
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: been good so far this year.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: They haven't been consistent. And this, to me, felt like
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: a real sea change for USC.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a great day for Oregon. A
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: lot of big games coming up because now you're in
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: the Big Ten.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: There are no easy days off.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: All right, let's turn to the NFL for our next clip.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel had a bad Sunday, and it's been a
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: bad season so far.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Let's hear from him.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Well, my concern level is very high for this football team.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: I just want to coach and improve. So I think
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: that's the biggest thing, is when you come off a
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: game like that, that you just want to get back
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: and work. There's nothing you can do about it, but
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: we have to take care of the football. We can't
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: force things. We can't do things in all three phases
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: that end up getting you beat. So certainly we have
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: to You know, fix a lot of things.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: They were in the Super Bowl last year. Oh, yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Drake May was number two for the MVP award, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: they were in the Super Bowl last year. It doesn't
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: feel like those things ever happened.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a stat on Drake May that says
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: it all.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Last year in 20 games before the Super Bowl, he
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: never threw more than two interceptions. He's thrown two interceptions
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: or more in three of the last four games.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: He's broken.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's no way around it, especially the red
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: zone interception that Travis Hunter got.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: That was such a bad play.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: But he's not benchable.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: You know, like if you have a young quarterback who's
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: never gotten anywhere, you could bench him and say, like,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: let's let him sit a week and think about it.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Remember Bryce Young two years ago? This is not a
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: guy who's benchable for performance.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: No, but definitely it seems like his confidence is shaken.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: And it also seems like last year's Super Bowl trip
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: was a bit of an anomaly. They happened to get
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: out of the AFC when Mahomes was down. Somehow Denver
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: beat Josh Allen. I think last year, Bo Nix was healthy.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Then New England was not going to be in the
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. All right, back to college football. It's time
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: for the rando. This is one of our favorite pictures
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: of the weekend, photographs of the weekend. Check this Wisconsin
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: fan out. Very, very gutsy here.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Job by him.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: There he is, right in the middle. You could find him.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: It's a whiteout at Penn State. He got a ticket
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: in the student section. He said, yeah, I'm flying my colors.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: They seem to be nice to him. Wisconsin people, Penn
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: State people are getting along, but that is a great photo.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. I still want to go to a whiteout.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Does that guy look a little like Cameron from Ferris
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Bueller's Day Off? I'm a little far away.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: In the Howe jersey?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yes. I feel like Cameron's in the middle of a
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: bunch of Penn State fans. Hey, you know what? You go,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin fans. It's your day. You get the win.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: You can wear whatever you want. Coming up next, constructive
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: criticism and the feel-good. This is one of the best
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: feel-goods of the year. You're going to check it out next.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: It's baseball-related.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Stick around.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Not so fast. Pass from Perlman.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: The MLB postseason starts tomorrow on NBC and Peacock. First up,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: my Phillies at the Braves. Then White Sox at Astros.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Then in primetime, Red Sox, Yankees, Padres host the Cubs.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's all awesome.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: The MLB wildcard presented by Abby begins tomorrow on NBC
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and Peacock.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I'm out of my mind with these matchups. Paul, what
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: are you most looking forward to?
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to being completely tired the next four weeks.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: We're going to be staying up Monday Night Football tonight.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: You've got four games tomorrow. You have to watch baseball playoffs.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I would say for the baseball playoffs tomorrow, the White Sox.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: The White Sox are kind of this feel-good story. Did
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: they get enough?
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Like, was that enough?
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Will they be satisfied making the playoffs, or will they
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: go on a run? Because sometimes these teams, glad to
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: be here, cute story, they don't go on a run.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: And then for the Cubs, P.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Crowe Armstrong is going to win the MVP in the NL.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: This is a national showcase for him. They do not
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: have a bullpen. It's on him and the bats.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, obviously, if you're going to Chicago, I'm going to
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: go Phillies. Phillies won 87 in 2022, 87 games and
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: made it to the World Series.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: This year they won 88. I like that formula. They've
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: looked awful. And you know how baseball is completely random.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Usually, most years, except for last year, there's a five
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: or six seed that makes the World Series. In fact,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: every year since 2022, there has been one. I think
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you've got to watch out for all these wildcard teams,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: especially on the lower end, can make a run because
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: baseball is random.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: And I love teams that get rid of their manager
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: and make the playoffs. Like, it's going so bad in June,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: we've got to boot a guy, and then they somehow
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: sneak into the playoffs.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I've got to be honest, the other thing I'm looking
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: forward to is the Braves. Now, listen, I'm rooting against
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: the Braves, but Chris Sale is starting game one. He's 37,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: had another Cy Young-like season. How do you not love
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Chris Sale?
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: And I think some people have cooled on the Braves.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Two years ago, they were over 100 wins. Last year,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: they cooled off. Everyone likes the Brewers or the Dodgers, obviously.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: But the Braves feel like a team that two years
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: ago should have won it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: They're under the radar right now, but they're very, very dangerous.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Chris Sale, by the way, talk about a career recovery.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: He's kind of in that, like, I think I did
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: this and you said no, you poo-pooed this. He's kind
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: of like Kurt Warner. Great start, messy in the middle,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: great ending of the game.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I just love how the ball moves off his hand.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's incredible to watch.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Okay, Bears-Eagles at the Bears, Monday Night Football. Case Keenum
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: likely starting for the Bears.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts? Well, I'm buddies with Case Keenum. I keep
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: saying that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Can you be objective?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I'm rooting for him to be good. Now, the Bears
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: have a formula. They're going to run the ball all
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: over the Eagles.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: That's the point. They did it last year, just dominate
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: them on the ground.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: So in that sense, the quarterback doesn't have to do
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: a lot, and that keeps the Eagles' run game.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Out of it.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I think this is a battle of possession, Paul.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: If the Bears can get first downs on the ground,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: they win the game.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: I think this is a no-win game for the Eagles
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: because if they beat a third-string quarterback and a bad defense,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: you get no credit. If you have a struggle, you'll
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: probably be critiqued for having a shaky win.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: And if you lose, it's all claws out.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: I think they're going to have trouble with Keenum because
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: he is beyond a veteran. The guy's 38 years old.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: He's got more gray hair than us. But they have
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: no tape on the guy. He doesn't play a lot.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: He hasn't started the game in three years.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they know Case Keenum.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: There's no curveballs in his game?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Vic Fangio is literally coordinated. I have four games against Case.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Case won all of them, by the way. They all
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: know each other. What is Case Keenum going to be like?
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: They know what a Case Keenum game looks like.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Final score is?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I think the Bears win this one 21-19.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: The Eagles almost lost to the Titans, and you saw
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: how bad the Titans were this weekend. The Eagles' offense
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: has yet to figure out its rhythm.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: I'll go 24-23 Bears. All right, it's time for a
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: little constructive criticism. Your feedback on the social media for
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: what we're doing.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Right and wrong. Sometimes more wrong. Here we go, Carl.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: First one.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Hope you and Paul Pabst discussed the worst of the
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: weekends on sportsman conduct in the Texas-Tennessee game and USC-Oregon game.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Makes alumni fans want to stop watching college football. Yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: we talked about that a little earlier. You know, the
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: star player for Texas doing the urination thing.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: It's just, be creative. Be entertaining. You want to dance?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Dancing's fine. Nobody gets upset about dancing.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: When you do the things that are considered vulgar, it
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: becomes a lead over the fact that you had five
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: sacks in a game.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to be that old guy
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: saying I don't like that celebration. I'm worried about that.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: But what made me laugh about the Colin Simmons thing
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: is he did the celebration so over the top that
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: afterwards he gets the flag.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: He's like, what did I do? What did I do?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: But it was a huge play because it went from
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: fourth to 29 to a first down. So that's what
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: was frustrating. Do it in a non-important situation.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: And on the halftime show, the guy doing the halftime
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: show goes, well, he did simulation of urination on the field. Oh,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: so thank you for telling me he didn't actually urinate
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: on the field, because that would have been a real thing.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: He might have, the way he was playing.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: By the way, that being said, if I can draft
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Colin Simmons, I am drafting Colin Simmons.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was dominant.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I'm so excited I had to pee myself. All right,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: stick around. We've got one more constructive criticism. Here we go.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Here's a random one. Would your next.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: Car purchase most likely have more technology or less tech
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: than what you currently drive? I drive a pickup truck
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: from 2013. It's like it's 2003. I don't have a
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: lot of tech, not a tech guy.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, whenever I drive past like an old
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: 4Runner or something, I'm like, oh, Paul would probably bid
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: on this. I want more tech. I don't know why
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: people complain about tech. I am a terrible parallel parker,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: and now I'm a good parallel parker. Paul, I would
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: drive a driverless. Would you ever have a Tesla with
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: no driver?
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, the driverless cars?
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the most tech you can have. Not yet.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: I would take a nap, because if you do this,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: I'll be out like this, and I've got to pay
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: attention to what's going on.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically everyone's going to be driving robot cars,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: and you're going to be chugging along in your Ford
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: from 2013?
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what's been happening. All right, here we go.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: This is the one. This is the one of the weekend.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: It was a sure thing. The staff voted on the feel-good,
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: and it was unanimous. Justin Verlander, back in the Detroit
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: Tigers uniform, standing O.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: They're going to pull him out of the game, and oh, no.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: You send the daughter?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: That's a must-cry situation and can't control my crying situation.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was already emotional in the last pitch,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: but we're both girl dads, and my God, was that
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: a tough moment.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I think the whole team was tearing up a little bit.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: He is going to spend a lot at Brandy Melville
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: this weekend because she pulled off the pitcher pull of
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: the decade.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I saw Justin Berlander on a home improvement show with
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Kate Upton once, by the way, and he literally is
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: spending a lot of time in stores on the weekend.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of input he has on
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the house, but, man, that is a lovely way to
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: go out.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Let's say that was us on the mound. Would either
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: of us have been able to control the tears and said,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: thank you, daughter?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I cried when I saw that on social media.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You think I could have handled it in real life?
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not. Great day on Not So Fast, the J.J.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: McCarthy trade. We're going to chop that up tomorrow. I
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: don't know what the Giants are thinking. And Monday Night
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: Football tonight. Tune into the Dan Patrick Show tomorrow, 9 a.m. Eastern,
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: NBC Sports, to recap that entire game and all about
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: the trade.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Stick around. A lot more to come.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And one of us will be gloating.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Case Keenum, it's on you, buddy.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Good luck.