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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-12-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 1: Willies on Utah's number one sports talk and home of
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  Speaker 1: a proud part of Utah's ESPN Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Network every Tuesday. Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us. I'm on the road.
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  Speaker 3: James Peterson is in our Broadway studios and we've got
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  Speaker 3: a fun show lined up for you, as we always
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  Speaker 3: try to do. Gordy Jesus is gonna swing by lots
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  Speaker 3: to talk about in the land of NBA playoffs, and
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  Speaker 3: of course we haven't yet heard his thoughts on the
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  Speaker 3: jazz picking number two. The same is true of Thorough Bailey.
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  Speaker 3: Big is going to join us in our number three.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be at one o'clock. We'll pick his brain about
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  Speaker 3: his preferences on which player maybe he sees in a
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz uniform. Eventually, and we catch up with Tom
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  Speaker 3: Callahan on the ongoing NHL playoffs and a Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 3: off season that I think is going to be one
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  Speaker 3: of the more interesting kind of sports business studies we
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  Speaker 3: have seen in the state of Utah in recent years
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  Speaker 3: because the the leap from being a playoff team to
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  Speaker 3: a playoff contender, like an actual championship chasing playoff team,
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  Speaker 3: I think you can make an argument is a more
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  Speaker 3: significant leap than just going from being in a bubble
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  Speaker 3: team or and also ran to being a playoff team.
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  Speaker 3: App between right now the Utah Mammoth and the Colorado
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  Speaker 3: Avalanche is I think going to be harder to make
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  Speaker 3: up then the gap that you had to close in
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  Speaker 3: order to make it into the Standing Cup playoffs. But
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  Speaker 3: we'll see. Looking around the world of sports right now,
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  Speaker 3: the NBA playoffs continuing, you can watch those down at
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  Speaker 3: Big Willies seventeen seventeen South May. The NHL Playoffs, you
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  Speaker 3: can watch all of those games at Big Billies as well.
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  Speaker 3: They do giveaways, they do drink and food specials. They've
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  Speaker 3: got trivia nights, they've got bingo nights, they've got poker nights.
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  Speaker 3: There's something going on every night down at seventeen seventeen
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  Speaker 3: South May. Make sure you tell the moose he sent
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  Speaker 3: you have a little bit of a good time while
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  Speaker 3: you're down there and in vibe if that's what you're into.
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  Speaker 3: If not, go shoot some pool, have a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of fun. Tell Patrick Michelle, we said hello, pardon made
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  Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell came out of a I won't say slump,
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  Speaker 3: a hibernation of kind of base level goodness and had
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  Speaker 3: a star turn performance last night for the Cleveland Cavaliers
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  Speaker 3: to help them even their playoff series at two games apiece.
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  Speaker 3: He scored thirty nine points in the second half of
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  Speaker 3: the game. If he had scored if he had made
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  Speaker 3: one more free throw, he would have had the NBA record.
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  Speaker 3: He would have stood alone in the NBA for having
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  Speaker 3: the record of most second half points in a playoff series.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty nine points in the second half, and he was
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  Speaker 3: instrumental in a run that helped them, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: draw even with the Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Eric Sleepy Floyd in nineteen eighty seven, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: is the guy who he tied with the second half
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  Speaker 3: outburst tied the Eric Sleepy Floyd's record in nineteen eighty seven,
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  Speaker 3: and of course that was the eighty seven Golden State
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  Speaker 3: Warriors against the Los Angeles Lakers. James already knew that
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have to tell James Peterson. He was he
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  Speaker 3: was a big Eric Sleepy Floyd fan back in the
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  Speaker 3: late eighties, right, James.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he wasn't sleeping that night.
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  Speaker 3: Oh see, got him. And of course you were like
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  Speaker 3: minus seven years old or something, so you were definitely
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  Speaker 3: a big fan of Aaron. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was tuning in from the other side, as it were,
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  Speaker 5: from wherever, you know, wherever your beliefs take you to,
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  Speaker 5: where to where we are before we were born.
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  Speaker 4: That's where I was tuning in.
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  Speaker 3: All right, great Game five will be tomorrow night at
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  Speaker 3: Little Sea Arena, which, uh, I've never been to Little
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  Speaker 3: Caesar's Arena. I don't care how nice little like Little
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  Speaker 3: Caesars Arena could be the basketball equivalent of Sofi Stadium,
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  Speaker 3: And the fact that it's called Little Caesars Arena automatically
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  Speaker 3: diminishes it in my mind and makes it just like
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  Speaker 3: a low budget crap building that's probably really unfair to
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  Speaker 3: to everybody that you know, designed it, built, it plays in,
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  Speaker 3: it works there. But does that does it not do
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  Speaker 3: the same thing for you, James? Where you hear Little
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  Speaker 3: Caesars Arena and you're just like, oh, yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 3: it's a five dollars hot and ready arena. There's no
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  Speaker 3: way that it's good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't.
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  Speaker 5: So they're not allowed to charge more than I think
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  Speaker 5: it's is the Hot and Ready ten dollars now, I
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  Speaker 5: don't even know what it's. It's not quite it's over
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  Speaker 5: five because of inflation. But they can't charge more than
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  Speaker 5: the Hot and Ready for tickets. That's that's got to
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  Speaker 5: be the rule for Little Caesars Arena. If not, then
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  Speaker 5: they're just committing massive fraud.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, the Little Caesars Hot and Ready Classic Pepperoni pizza
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  Speaker 3: is now priced anywhere from five dollars and fifty five
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  Speaker 3: cents to seven ninety nine loss, so not quite a lot. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: it's that still makes me sick, like it's like you're
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  Speaker 3: charged me near ten dollars for the Hot and Ready pizza.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, Little Caesars, now, I'm never going to go
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  Speaker 3: to your arena. Sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I've heard from I've heard from some of the jazz
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  Speaker 5: writers and other writers they've come into Salt Lake to
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  Speaker 5: cover their teams that the pizza actually is really good there.
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  Speaker 5: I I don't know, though, because I stopped eating Little
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  Speaker 5: Caesars a long time ago. I'm not sure that the
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  Speaker 5: pizza could be that great, but that I've heard it's
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  Speaker 5: great at Little Caesars Arena.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I hope that's the case for some level of redemption.
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  Speaker 3: One twelve one to oh three the final score there.
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  Speaker 3: But again, the biggest story was Donovan Mitchell starting at
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  Speaker 3: the late first half and then finishing it in the
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  Speaker 3: second half, kind of putting the team on his back
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  Speaker 3: for forty three points, thirty nine of which came in
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  Speaker 3: the second half. He was plus twenty eight on the night.
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  Speaker 3: Evan Mobley had seventeen points and eight rebounds. He was
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  Speaker 3: plus thirty on the night. So the starting lineup for
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  Speaker 3: the Cleveland Cavaliers really did the heavy lifting against the
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  Speaker 3: Detroit Pistons, and that series is now tied up two
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  Speaker 3: to two. And there's a reason I'm starting the show
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  Speaker 3: today talking about Donovan Mitchell because for me, Donovan Mitchell
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  Speaker 3: is the last guy that the Utah Jazz had on
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  Speaker 3: the team that I felt like in a competitive game,
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  Speaker 3: in a real scenario, in a what we hope will
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  Speaker 3: again soon be a playoff chase, Donovan Mitchell was one
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  Speaker 3: of those guys where you felt like, all right, we
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  Speaker 3: have someone that can go basket for basket blow for
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  Speaker 3: blow with your top player. And it's probably unfair to
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  Speaker 3: everyone who's on the roster now and everyone who's been
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  Speaker 3: on the roster since Donovan Mitchell, and it's unfair to
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  Speaker 3: the lowry marketings of the world to say that's the
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  Speaker 3: last guy in a Jazz uniform that I can associate
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  Speaker 3: with that kind of confidence, that kind of belief, that
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  Speaker 3: kind of like yeah, like when it really comes down
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  Speaker 3: to it and you're getting to playoff basketball, every NBA
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  Speaker 3: playoff team has some level of a star, some level
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  Speaker 3: of an All Star, some level of a performer that, hopefully,
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  Speaker 3: in an ideal scenario for his home city, can kind
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  Speaker 3: of put the load on his back and carry a
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  Speaker 3: team forward. The Utah Jazz are in a position with
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  Speaker 3: pick number two in this upcoming draft, with the development
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  Speaker 3: that has happened on the roster so far, where hopefully
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  Speaker 3: they have to be deciding sooner than later who that
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  Speaker 3: player is for them, who the next guy, who the
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  Speaker 3: next Donovan Mitchell is. Where it's just like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, if we're getting to this level, we're
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  Speaker 3: getting to this where we've got, you know, nine seconds
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  Speaker 3: left and a final possession and a timeout coming out
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  Speaker 3: of that we can draw things up. Who are we
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  Speaker 3: getting the ball to? Who are we letting play iso ball?
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  Speaker 3: Who are we letting be the hero? Who are we
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  Speaker 3: designing that final shot for? And hopefully you get to
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  Speaker 3: a situation sooner than later with this draft pick. Whether
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  Speaker 3: it is Aj Debonca, Darren Peterson, Cam Boozer, Caleb Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably the only list of candidates, and
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  Speaker 3: I was being extra generous. I really think it's only
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  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson or Aj Debonsa that are on that list.
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  Speaker 3: In any case, hopefully you're getting to a situation sooner
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  Speaker 3: than later where the debate is all right, well is
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  Speaker 3: this guy ready to do this right now? Are we
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  Speaker 3: drawing something up for Lowry markinhen? Are we drawing something
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  Speaker 3: up for Keyante George to surprise people? Are we are
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  Speaker 3: we letting Ace Bailey be the guy with the ball
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  Speaker 3: in his hands two years from now? Or is it
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  Speaker 3: going to be the twenty twenty six number two overall
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  Speaker 3: draft pick that you say, Man, this first half is
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  Speaker 3: kind of sucked. I'm will Hardy. It's halftime, guys. We
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  Speaker 3: need someone to carry us forward. We need someone to
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  Speaker 3: turn this thing on. We need someone to light a fire,
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  Speaker 3: and we know that we've got Jared Jackson Junior, who's
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  Speaker 3: going to get us a couple defensive stops and an
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  Speaker 3: outlet pass and a fast break and whatever else. We
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  Speaker 3: know that we're going to have Walker Kessler pulling down
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  Speaker 3: some boards if you missed the first shot or if
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  Speaker 3: the other team misses their shot and again creates an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity for us to get running. Now, who is going
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  Speaker 3: to be the one? It's a hypothetical at this moment
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  Speaker 3: because we don't know right we don't know who the
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  Speaker 3: draft pick is going to be. But the Cleveland Cavaliers
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  Speaker 3: are in a situation right now where you have James Harden,
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  Speaker 3: who has been that player for other teams, not to
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  Speaker 3: a level where they've actually won anything in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: not to a level where you feel real good about
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  Speaker 3: trusting him to push you over a certain hump from
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  Speaker 3: you know, contender to or from playoff team to actual contender.
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  Speaker 3: That's just, unfortunately not James Harden's lot in life. Donovan
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  Speaker 3: Mitchell I still have some belief that you know, before
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  Speaker 3: it's all said and done for him, he can be
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  Speaker 3: a guy who's the number one piece on an actual
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  Speaker 3: championship contender. The Knicks look like they're going to cause
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  Speaker 3: problems for everyone else in the East right now, whoever
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  Speaker 3: comes out of the East looks like they're going to
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  Speaker 3: run into the buzzsaw of the Oklahoma City Thunder again.
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  Speaker 3: But watching Donovan Mitchell do that and knowing like he
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  Speaker 3: can actually do that a little bit more consistently if
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  Speaker 3: he turns it on in the playoffs, this is a
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  Speaker 3: guy that you can I think you can say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we saw him in the jazz uniform and his ceiling
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  Speaker 3: is like one of these guys who can do most
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  Speaker 3: of the heavy lifting in a playoff series. Who is
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  Speaker 3: the next guy like that on this Utah Jazz roster?
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  Speaker 3: For some of you, he's probably on the roster already.
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  Speaker 3: For others of you, I think it's whoever this draft
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  Speaker 3: pick is number two here in twenty twenty six, in
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  Speaker 3: six weeks, I think your belief is probably that it'll
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  Speaker 3: be that guy next. But I know that Donovan Mitchell
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  Speaker 3: for me, was the last one that I had any
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  Speaker 3: like sincere belief could be that and could do that again.
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  Speaker 3: Respect to lowry marketing, because he's never had he's never
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  Speaker 3: had the tools around him and He's also never had
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  Speaker 3: a full like, all right, we're gonna let you do
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  Speaker 3: everything you can. We're gonna let you play as much
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  Speaker 3: as you want to play. We're gonna let you that.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna take the governor chip off. We're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: hold back at all, and let's see what you can do.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's Lowry, maybe it's Ace, Maybe it's somebody a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more surprising like Keyante, and maybe it is
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  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson. But I look forward to when the Utah
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  Speaker 3: Jazz have a Donovan Mitchell type player back on the roster.
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  Speaker 3: In other NBA basketball news and perhaps more compelling and
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  Speaker 3: fascinating NBA basketball news I already mentioned, Oklahoma City continues
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  Speaker 3: their run through this playoff. They are as dominant a
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  Speaker 3: team in the West as we have seen recently. They
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  Speaker 3: deserve to be talked about as a potential. This might
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  Speaker 3: be the little sapling, the little seed, the sprout of
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  Speaker 3: a dynasty that's happening right in front of us with
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  Speaker 3: Shay Gildess, Alexander and chet Holmgren and the pieces around
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  Speaker 3: them that are quite frankly doing it without their second
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  Speaker 3: best player again, and they swept the Lakers. They swept
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  Speaker 3: the Lakers team that while plagued by some of their
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  Speaker 3: own injuries and plagued by the absence, of course, of
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  Speaker 3: Luka Doncic, as a guy who for many years was
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  Speaker 3: the best player in the world and is still a
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  Speaker 3: top ten player in the world. In a forty one
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  Speaker 3: year old Lebron James, who played forty minutes casually, had
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  Speaker 3: twenty four points and twelve rebounds in a game against
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma City. And I know plenty of people get sick
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  Speaker 3: of talking about Lebron, debating about Lebron. Lebron is not
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  Speaker 3: the goat. It's Michael Jordan or the younger generation might
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  Speaker 3: think Lebron is the goat. Michael Jordan benefited from the
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  Speaker 3: greatest coach in the game, the greatest teammates in the game. Whatever,
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  Speaker 3: I'm less interested in that and just more interested in
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  Speaker 3: what happens with Lebron James moving forward. Of course, postgame,
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  Speaker 3: he was asked exactly that, and like you're going to
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  Speaker 3: get from every player in this age category, like you
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  Speaker 3: got from Tom Brady for so many years, like you're
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  Speaker 3: getting from Aaron Rodgers even now. Lebron James gave the
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  Speaker 3: answer that you would expect I'm gonna go and I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna evaluate. I'm gonna recalibrate. I'm gonna see what works
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  Speaker 3: for my family. I've got a lot of decisions to make,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Lebron, the truth of
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  Speaker 3: the matter is, Lebron's gonna be twenty. He's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: forty two years old at the end of this year.
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  Speaker 3: December thirtieth, as Gordie always reminds us, is his birthday.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna be forty two years old. He averaged this
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  Speaker 3: year as a forty one year old man in the
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  Speaker 3: NBA twenty one points, six rebounds, and seven assists. Lebron
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  Speaker 3: James could could reasonably play until he's forty five at
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  Speaker 3: the very least, and still be a plus plus player
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA. He could still be a bona fide
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  Speaker 3: starter and above average all star caliber flirting with all
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  Speaker 3: Star caliber type guy until he's forty five years old.
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  Speaker 3: It was a big deal for him that he wanted
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  Speaker 3: to play with Bronni. His son, Bryce is going into
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  Speaker 3: his sophomore year at Arizona. He's eligible for the twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven draft after he's forgone the opportunity, and really
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  Speaker 3: he had no business trying to declare for this twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six draft. Lebron could wait until twenty twenty eight
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  Speaker 3: to try to play with his younger son if he
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  Speaker 3: wanted to. I mean, that is what he is doing
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  Speaker 3: now in the NBA. He is still that level of
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  Speaker 3: player with no real signs of slowing down. Yes, he's
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  Speaker 3: beneath the threshold of what Lebron James used to be,
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  Speaker 3: but he is nowhere near even average yet at forty one,
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  Speaker 3: he is excelling in the NBA on a Lakers team
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  Speaker 3: that has been reshaped around him twice now, and I
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  Speaker 3: think the role is better for him to not be
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  Speaker 3: the guy who everyone decides every single night, stop him
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  Speaker 3: through everything at him. He's the big problem. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I have zero idea what his relationship with Luke is, like.
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  Speaker 3: I have no awareness whether or not he still loves
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  Speaker 3: being in LA, whether his family still still loves being
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  Speaker 3: in LA, whether he's decided that the endorsement opportunities and
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  Speaker 3: the movie production opportunities and the extracurricular stuff is all
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  Speaker 3: really worth it for him. But as we watch another
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  Speaker 3: season of Lebron James's great and has come to a close.
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  Speaker 3: And you see that he's still six nine two fifty, ripped, shredded,
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  Speaker 3: mostly healthy, still explosive at forty one, It's like, all right, Well, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: he has done enough for the NBA. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that anything that happens from here on out is
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  Speaker 3: going to change his status as a first ballot Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Famer, as an ultimate legend, as a top five
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  Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore type player in the NBA. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: anything can happen between now and whatever it is he
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  Speaker 3: decides to retire, And it could be now that will
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  Speaker 3: change his status among the league historians, among the old
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  Speaker 3: hats that have already decided that he's going to be
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  Speaker 3: second to Michael Jordan on the greatest players of all time.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know how much that matters to him.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like when whenever he's asked about it,
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  Speaker 3: he'll give you kind of like this, bs, you know
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  Speaker 3: our games are so different. I don't really do the comparison.
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  Speaker 6: Stop.
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  Speaker 3: Stop, we know you wear the same number. You you,
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  Speaker 3: like everyone else in your age group, idolized Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 3: at one point or another. You've got to be flattered
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  Speaker 3: by the fact that you are compared to him at all,
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  Speaker 3: and you probably also are offended by the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you know, people won't give you that number one status
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  Speaker 3: even though your longevity really kind of blows Mike's out
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  Speaker 3: of the water.
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  Speaker 4: Easily, just it easily does. Like he's Michael Jordan.
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  Speaker 5: Never didn't play this many total seasons that Lebron James
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  Speaker 5: has played. Lebron's played more than anyone else in the
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  Speaker 5: in the history of the league in fact. But he
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  Speaker 5: also he also retired three times in the in the
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  Speaker 5: time that Lebron is in the span that Lebron is
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  Speaker 5: still played, like the longevity is something that Lebron will
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  Speaker 5: will never be topped at, and especially the production that
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  Speaker 5: as you already laid out, the production that he's had
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  Speaker 5: over that over that time. It's the other stuff, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: it's the the championships. It's the fact that Jordan never
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  Speaker 5: lost in the NBA finals. Lebron lost as many NBA
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  Speaker 5: finals as Jordan won. You know that that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and Lebron is probably not he's certainly not going to
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  Speaker 5: make up that he's he's already lost bunch of AEMI finals.
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  Speaker 5: He's probably not going to get to the six titles
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  Speaker 5: or more, and that's that's where he's kind of fallen short.
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  Speaker 5: But it's almost everything else is in Lebron's favor. And
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  Speaker 5: this is coming from someone me. I think that other
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: stuff should hold a lot, a lot of weight. That's
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: one of the reasons why I still think Jordan is
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: probably the greatest. But like you have to acknowledge that
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Lebron is second to none in almost every other category there.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: What my dream for Lebron for the last three to
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: five years has been that Lebron will and I know
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: that you know, he has no interest in what my
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: dreams for him are. That Lebron will decide to you know, Okay,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I'm a free agent now, and of course you can
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: re up with the Lakers. Of course you can go
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: back to Miami. Of course, you can finish your career
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: where it started in Cleveland, the hometown boy thing if
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: you wanted to. You've already written all of those stories, right,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: and we've written a lot of those stories in other
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: sports with other athletes as well. You could say, you know, uh, oh,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: it's you know, there's there's always the you know, the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys quarterback who led them to greatness. There's
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Lakers star that you've added your name
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: to that list. There's uh, there's been in the distant past,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: there's been great Knicks. In the more recent history, there's been,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: and in the distant past there's been great Boston Celtics.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Lebron James is the greatest Cleveland Cavalier of all time.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I would love to see Lebron James just say, you
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: know what, somebody get my agent. And he probably doesn't
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: need his agent to do this because he's he's a
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: basketball historian and he's truly passionate about the game. Give me,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: give me a list of all the teams that have
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: never won a championship and let me go add Myers
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: at a discount, right, let me go jump on that
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: bandwagon and let me see if I can make a
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: difference and put this team over the hump towards title contention.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: There's a spot for you, Lebron, and we'll bring Bronni
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: on too, if that's one of your stipulations. There's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: spot for both of the James, for the James players
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: here in Salt Lake City.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I'll just just throw that out there, and.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: There's probably plenty of jazz fans that are just like
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I don't want Lebron here. Lebron's corny, Lebron's cringey. Lebron
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: is one of the best player, one of the best
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: three players that has ever walked the face of the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: planet in his particular sport. In my opinion, he might
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: be a top three athlete that we have ever seen
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: on planet Earth. And he just happened to choose to
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: play basketball for obvious reasons that have turned him into
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a billionaire. But as he writes this swan song, this
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: closing chapter, and all the talking heads and my guess
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: myself included, are debating what is the end of the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: road going to look like for Lebron? James is next year?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: His last year was this year his last year. I
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: think Lebron's going to be one of those guys who
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: lets us know when his last year is. I think
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: it's important for Lebron to get the farewell tour. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: think Lebron is unlike some other stars and that he
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: needs and wants the validation. He wants the farewell tour.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Some people are critical of him for that. I kind
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: of go both ways because one half of me is
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: just like, dude, why do you care so much about
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: what people think? Your resume is above reproach, Your history
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: is above reproach, Your reputation is above approach. On the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: other half of it, I'm like, you know what, though, like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: no matter how good Lebron has been, it has never
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: been good enough for a lot of people, and so
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: of course it would create this very strange dynamic, this
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: like unloved child dynamic in his own mind where he's
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: just like, dude, how many finals do I have to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: play in before you acknowledge that it's just as hard
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: to get to these championship runs as it is to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: win them. Sometimes, In any case, if he's trying to
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: write this final chapter, there are ten different teams in
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the NBA that he could just say, yeah, I'll play
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: for you on a ten million dollar deal, and let's
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: see what we can do, and all ten of them
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: would roll out the red carpet and do whatever was
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: necessary to try to make it happen. Brooklyn, Charlotte, the
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Indiana Pacers, the Clippers. You can probably have to wipe
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the Clippers off because you can't go across town in LA.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Although you wouldn't even have to move, so maybe, Yeah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I think that part of what's important to him as
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: he ends his career is staying in LA because of
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: the off the court brand stuff that he's been able
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: to do, the Bron movie production company that's that's taken
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: off and all that stuff like that's a big reason
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: why he wanted to be a Laker in the So,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can stay in LA and be a
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Clipper and do all of that.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: You could. The Memphis Grizzlies, though they would say, yeah, Lebron,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: come on over. The Minnesota Timberwolves really interesting. I mean
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: they might. They're in title contention right now and they've
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: got a really good thing going on. Lebron might not
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: be a recipe something you want to add to that
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: recipe in Minnesota if it's going to cause friction with
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the group you already have. But if your one little
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: piece away and a piece like Lebron again the Pie
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: in the sky was going to make himself available to you,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: might be interesting. He's not going to New Orleans, although
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the Pelicans would be happy to have him. He's not
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: going to Orlando, although the Magic would love to have him. Phoenix.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, in another world, I could see Lebron James
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: being like, yeah, dude, a lot of people like to play,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like to finish things out in Phoenix. Phoenix has a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: certain level of appeal. And then of course there's the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz, who have also never won an NBA title.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Who if you if you are currently a hater on
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Lebron James, I totally understand if Lebron James called Ryan Smith,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: called Dwayne Wade and was just like, you know what,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to do something that Mike never did,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: that Larry Bird never did.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Mike wasn't able to win one with the Wizards.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try to
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: add myself to an unlikely titled mix and I'm gonna
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: be the thing that drags this wagon over the finish line.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: And that's gonna further my legacy. I mean, he's done
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: so much. I know that this is an absurd sort
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: of like hypothetical, but it's the last thing he could
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: do to actually improve his standing in the annals of
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: basketball history, to deliver a title to a franchise that
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: has never wanted to Beyond that, another All Star appearance
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Another scoring title. If he was able to
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: win one, doesn't matter.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I'm MVP would matter, but he's not winning another MVP.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna win another MVP, and it would it
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: matter in like the comparative to Michael Jordan to Kobe Bryant,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit, but probably not much. The same
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: thing with winning a title for the Utah Jazz, for
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the Orlando Magic, for the Indiana Pacers. Again, it's not
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: just so simple as oh, you have Lebron James, now
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: you're gonna win a title, clearly because he's on an
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: LA Lakers roster that has one other top ten player
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: in the world on that roster and they just got
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: swept by the Oklahoma City Thunder. But I'm listening to
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Steven A. Smith and Shack and Kenny and Ernie and
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: all these guys debate what's gonna happen with Michael Jordan's
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: legacy career. Is he done? No, nobody thinks he's done.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Is next year his last year?
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Is he done? In LA? A lot of people think
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: he's done with the Lakers at least. I'm curious, how
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: do you improve upon what Lebron James has already done?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: How do you do it without tarnishing things. Like Tom Brady.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: When he came back and decided he was going to
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: play for Tampa, I was like, man, what are you doing?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: And then I was wrong to first run, because he
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: won a title with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: proved the point. He put the debate to rest about
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: whether or not Bill Belichick was more responsible for the
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Patriots success or Tom Brady was more responsible for the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Patriots success. And then he stayed again, and he sacrificed
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: his family to the altar of football excellence, and he
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: ended up going out with a whimper, like many great
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: athletes do. I weirdly, I've never been a Lebron James
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: fan necessarily, but I don't want to see his career
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: end in a wimper either. So getting swept out of
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the playoffs that qualifies as a whimper for me. I'd
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: like to see some better version of an end for
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Lebron James. Do you think we get one more year
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: out of him James?
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: I think at least that I'm not sure what motivates
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: him at this point. Oh see, other than just loving
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: to play basketball. He talked about it in the postgame presser.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: He loves the grind, he loves getting to the getting
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: to the arena early, getting to practice, and working on
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: his game. That's obviously a huge motivation for anybody who
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: plays sports, right, I would think, particularly professional athletes who
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: aren't completely spoiled by the money. But I I don't
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: know how much it motivates him to just let's go
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: hop on a team that's one piece away from a
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: championship the way it used to right. He just seems
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: to be a guy that loves doing this, loves competing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: But is that going to be enough for him to play?
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: And as long as he could play, like you said,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: forty five years plus, I think he certainly could. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: would bet that he's going to play at least two
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: more years, But I don't know, mate. I could also
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: see him after next season, in particular, being like, you
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: know what, I love doing this, but not enough to
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: keep playing in the NBA.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: He also has like a movie production company all the reasons. Remember, however,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: many years ago, when everyone just like this is why
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: he wants to be in LA all that's still a factor.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: All that's still happening for Lebron he's been pretty successful
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: in those pursuits. Space Jam notwithstanding that sucked. But I
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: don't know he could play until he's fifty. Honestly, at
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: this rate.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: He really could. I mean, I'm thinking of it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: But a generation ago when I was, when I was
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: like pretty young watching the NBA, I remember Kevin Willis
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: forty two years old, you know, built like a tank,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: still playing like less than five to ten minutes a
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: game for his Spurs championship team, and like Lebron's like
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: ten years away from being that bad of a basketball player,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, that's what it feels like.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: So he could He's he probably would would retire before
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: he's that kind of a bit player in the league.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Go see, But if he wanted to just keep playing
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: just for the just for the sake of playing, he
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: could be that type of player. He feels like I said,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: he feels like he's a decade away from from his
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: game being reduced to that level.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: So who knows how long he's gonna play.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, Robert Parish was that guy.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: That's true in the late nineties, Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Ninety six, ninety seven, he was forty three years old
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: as a big man, played that long. He played one
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: thousand and sixty one thousand, six hundred and eleven regular
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: season games. Lebron James has played one thousand, six hundred
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: and twenty two so very very similar regular season loads
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: for those guys. Lebron has also played nearly three hundred
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: career playoff games, which is bananas. But anyway, we got
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: to take a break. Gordy Chase is gonna swing by.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: We'll talk to him about the Jazz winning the number
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: two spot in the upcoming NBA draft. We'll get his
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: thoughts on how much longer he thinks we see Lebron
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: James on an NBA basketball floor, and of course, should
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: we just hand the Oklahoma City Thunder the title? Now
• 32:49
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• 32:59
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• 33:02
  Speaker 1: former Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: Let's not get crazy.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
• 33:11
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• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiaysa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell Show. Welcome in our
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: resident NBA guru, my friend mister Gordy Chiasa. Lots to
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: talk about with Gordy as the playoffs continue, and of
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: course as the Utah Jazz with good news coming out
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: of the NBA Draft lottery. Gordy, how are you sure?
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: No, I'm doing well? Thank you?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Tell me your mother's day reaction when you found out
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that the Utah Jazz would be picking number two in
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: this upcoming NBA draft, I was kitty.
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: I was absolutely thrilled. It was amazing how it played out.
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: And number two is a great pick because all four
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: guys at the top of the draft, you can make
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: a discussion one objectively, they are going to be All
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: stars eventually and two ut of four, at three out
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: of four or all four will be difference makers for
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: their franchises. They're ultra talented players and the Jazz at
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: two are going to get somebody that will be an
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: All Star very shortly. And that's how talented these guys are.
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: And they're all different. Sean once a small forward, once
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: a two guard. One is an alcohol a power forward,
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: and then Caleb Wilson, He's a running forward, I'll call him.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: And they're all unbelievable. So the Jazz at two, I'm
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: a static for everybody at the jazz.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Stand, and of course the soap opera. The debates begin
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: on the right thing to do with this number two pick.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: The Washington Wizards, multiple reports have said they're willing to
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: entertain offers. They're willing to talk about trading out of
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: the number one spot because, just like you said, there's
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you know, three, four, maybe five players in this draft
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: that could be franchise changers, and Washington has the luxury
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: of just having acquired a couple of all star caliber
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: guys this past season to get to play them. Yet
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: they were tanking like the Jazz work successfully but for
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz and for the obvious reasons of the
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: previous connections, the BYU pipeline, the whatever else. Is there
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: a strong possibility in your mind that they would spend
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: what it takes to move up from two to one,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: knowing that what's available at two is probably good enough
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: for your franchise, but you might not get aj debansa
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: who has a connection to the state and the ownership already.
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: There's two points of that. Here's the first thing, Sean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: think about the stand base of Washington Wizards. So again,
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: like as always, you live in a certain cities, so
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: you're absolutely only thinking about your the world according to
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: your team. Now you're the Wizards. You don't lose like
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: that to trade the first pick of the draft. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: also it sounds really crazy, but they actually need his position,
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: so besides I mean meaning agent the banc, besides being
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: unbelievable talent, they need his position at small forward. Last
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: year the small forward was keyte uh George. So they're
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: going to draft him at one and are going to
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: pick that two. So it's all speculation. They're everyone's playing gamemanship.
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: I understand it. It's all part of professional sports. But
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: you don't lose to trade the first pick to get
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: some more other picks. You do not do that to
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: the fan base. And also there's definitely you need and
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: with the Ancer, they're getting the riches new draft on
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: which they should. They're getting unbelievable major talents and the
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: step in and help the franchise. So quickly, here's the
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: Washington Widgess starting lineup. Trey Young out Calabali. He's very
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: good as far as the Frenchman, AJ Debanser at small forward,
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: Anthony Davis at Powell forward, and Alexanders saw the Frenchman
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: who's very good also at center. And so if all
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: five of those guys are this summer, all stay there,
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: good he'll be a really good team.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: So okay, let's let's operate under that premise that the
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz are going to stay at number two. AJ
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Debonsa has gone at one. Is it simple? You go
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson, even with the questions that we've had about
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson, the cramping issues, the health situations that he's had, uh,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: and you just you assume that those things will be
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: better at the NBA level.
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: Yes, very much Darren Peterson. Sean and the listeners just
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: picture Ray Allen of the Mammy. He I coach him
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: the Seattle Sonics. That's Darren Peterson. His not His jump
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: shot is absolutely beautiful. He has classic footwork. He plays
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: like Gray Allen younger version of Rip Hamilton of yesteryear,
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: and the current guys would be He has talent like
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: Anthony Edwards as far as explosive, Stephan Castle type and
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: Jellen Green of his sons. That's who he plays like
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: as far as his game, his athleticism, his talent level,
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: and his ball skills. And so he's absolutely a guy
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: that's gonna could step in an NBA game and knock
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: down again minimum seventeen to twenty points with a hypercentage.
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: And he's got talent. So he's six y five, he's
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: shown he's wiry, sixty five, two oh five, He's call
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: him wire strong, narrow shoulders. He's in a bulk up
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: as far as that. But he's a high level talent
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: and he has that fast twitch thing where those quick
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: firsts you need to get separation around the defensive players.
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: He has it. He's a major talent. I love the guy.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: The explanation that has come out is that creatine was
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: the issue at Kansas with the cramping. I keep going
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: back and forth on this, how much I believe it,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: how much I think that they've just tried to do
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: some damage control there. I imagine that the due diligence
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: process between now and the draft will figure out whether
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: or not, you know, there's a significant health question with
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Aaron Peterson. Should the Jazz be interested in drafting him?
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: Oh? Absolutely, Sean, how about you and I we do
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: our own intel. If the guy's lay cramping, let's give
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: him pickle juice out of a dual peck jaw and
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: let's give him some old school bananas often and that's
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: that's I'm simplifying, but I'm not. They'll do a lot
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: of intel. They'll they'll absolutely dissect, bisect, trisect this guy
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: to the ultimate where you'll be busy as far as
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: doing it. And they should and so they know what
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: they're getting, what type of person player, And when you're
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: picking at number two, you want to get it right.
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: Last year, the Jets number five eighth Belly, another major
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: young talent. Everyone enjoyed watching Ah Belly play and hopefully
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: that second pick of the draft, Darren Peterston. Again, you
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: can make a short discussion for Cavin Boozer, who's a
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: tremendous talent. I'll call him a midst, a back to
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: the basket player with an element of a face up game.
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: He's a superior passer, he knows how to play with
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: the ball without the ball, and he has a presence
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: and poison on the court. And then Caleb Wilson, he's
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: a jumping jack you know, jumping Jack, kangaroo leaper, you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: six nine, six'. Ten he plays Like Evan mobley of The,
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: Cabs Jabari smith of The, Rockets Aaron gordon and The,
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: nuggets and a younger version Of Kevin. Garnett he grides
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: into his, shot he plays. Airborne he can play both
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: vertically and. Horizontally he's a major. Talent he brocused thumb
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: last year and focused on last year back In february,
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: tenth so we didn't see him all the time as
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: far As sean in The March madnace in the top
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: stage of THE acc, tournament and but he's a major.
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: Talent also.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Should The Utah jazz factor in the likelihood of whoever
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: you draft wanting to stay In utah resigning With utah
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: when they make the decision on who to, draft assuming
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: they're staying at number.
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: Two you, know that's a great myth about. It you,
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: Know utah they can't keep the, guys says Who Donvin?
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: Mitchell they traded it. Away remember, Now, mitchell they traded
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: they had. Him and remember the rulesaw the first five
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: years of year, contract the team that has you has
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: the leverage on. You so five years from now think
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: about it later, on but the first five, years whoever
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: they draft are getting a major. Talent so remember The
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: jazz they let Go Donovan mitchell And Rudy, gobert so
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: they had him under, contract they let him, go so,
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: well you know again that's a that's a, myth right, now.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Did they decide they wanted did they decide they wanted
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: to move on From donovan because they were starting to
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: read the tea leaves that when it came down to,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: It donovan was was going to leave the way That
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Gordon hayward and other players have. Done you know that
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: there was a chemistry issue with him And, rudy you
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: know there maybe you could have convinced one or both
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: of them to. Stay but how much of the decision
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: to trade was, like, well let's get some value out
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: of this so we don't get left in the lurch
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: like we were With Gordon.
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: Hayward, well Don mitchell is way better Than Gordon hayward
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: And Rudy gobert as a, position so they those two
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: guys are way better Than Gordon hayward as far as
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: what he did for as far as winning in the. Playoffs,
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: again case by, case the. Dynamics what age group are
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: you're in your twenty four years old twenty. Five you
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: vid the world differently when you're twenty nine to thirty years.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: Old so again that'll be a discussion that The, jets
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: whoever they draft will that's the only part of. It
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: when your pigments so, high you've got to get the
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: best talent, available and all forties GUYS i mentioned have knockout.
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: Talent but also a little side. Note The witness general
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: manager Will Will. Hawkins he's born and raised in The boston,
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: area So i'm assuming that he knows all Of ajdvance's
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: people very very, well HIS au, coach his people that
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: are around, him as far as everyone that guides, him
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: and plus the. Family he knows them. Well Pipe advance's
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: father used to be a security guard At Boston university on,
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: campus and so all things that you have to understand
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: that they're going to do all intel on all forties,
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: guys and they'll hope you each team will get it
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: right for them Because i'm sure the real good, guys
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: as far as young people and as from the basketball,
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: standpoint they can help the franchise absolutely.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Awful we probably spent too much time worrying about The
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Utah jazz reputation around the league in terms of guys
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: wanting to stay or not wanting to. Stay what About?
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: WASHINGTON i, MEAN i think it's a valid, question when's
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the last time that The Washington bullets or The Washington
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: wizards had anything good or did anything good with great?
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Players because you know that should factor in here as.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: WELL i, mean Aj debocea didn't look overly thrilled when
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: the camera was on him When washington got the first.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: PICK i don't know if his facial expression would have
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: been different had it Been utah or anybody. Else but
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: what should we be thinking, about you, know the desire
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: of these rookies to go play For, washington even at number.
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: One, well the first thing is that they might be
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: slightly unhappy in the, beginning but as the, weeks, months
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: and years go, on is that they will be able
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: to understand the franchise how it's better, again which is
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: very similar to the. Kids they're trying to reinvent themselves
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: as far as getting the right players for their team
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: and Agent devancer if they do draft, him he would
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: be a centerpiece of. That so that's what they're trying
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: to attempt to DO i call it turnaround. Skills as
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: far as you have certain players in your organization that
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: really do want to, win And i'm assuming that The
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: wizards those. Guys when he traded For Trey, young who's
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: also a talent as far as a pointcuse that can,
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: score he's going to help whoever they. Draft and number,
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: One i'm assuming aj Of devancer become what into the
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: best player can possibly. Be so every team that has
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: different dynamics, involved and that's why teams either win or
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: why they. LOSE a quick siding about The, wizards they're
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: trying to turn it. Around they've had seven straight losing,
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: seasons and so they think that number, one whoever they
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: take number, one that this guy is going to be
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: the cornerstone to help them get away from. That as
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: far as Minimum Anthony, davis, again there'd be allowed to
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: talk about him this. SUMMER i don't want to be,
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: There YES i. Do, again the point is that they
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: have leverage On Anthony. Davis he's under. Contract you know
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: a lot of times the agent says, things or the
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: people around the player says, Things but what is the
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: player saying two different?
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Things Gordy cheezer for a few more minutes here on
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: The sean O'Connell.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: Show so we make On Don, Mitchell Donal, Mitchell sean
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: is a.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Human how about his second half performance last night to
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: even that series.
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: One for the ages Thirty it hits the quick math about.
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: It thirty nine points in the second, half will Retied
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: Everic Spleepy floyd for the most points in the second
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: half of a playoff, game which happen On may, tenth
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: nineteen eighty. Seven So sean thirty nine years ago and
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: with donvand last, night besides scoring the, points it's how
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: we got, them you, know jump, shots step backs over
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: the top of the of a good defense on, him
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: driving to the, basket really getting in the, lane using,
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: footwork dancing the. Score remark about this performance is that
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: besides the forty three points he, scored he only had
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: one Turnover sean one, turnover one missed you in thirty seven,
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: minutes and that's. Impressive and In James, harden his trust's,
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: sidekick also has some good. Moments and now it's two
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: to two and they go back to the play In
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: detroit and it's really a. Series so again And jazz
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: basketball is That donavond was for the former. Alumni he's
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: now in The cavaliers and he's. Flourishing donovan's one of
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: the best players of all time as far as in
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: playoff points per. Game he's up there in the top
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: six as far as. Scoring and that's how good he.
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: Is as far as how the defense tries to guard,
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: him encounter that with a high skill.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Level The Yoklahoma City thunder Swept lebron and The lakers
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: out of these. Playoffs you AND i have talked About
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: lebron a. Lot he's forty two years old at the
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: end of this, year he's still averaging twenty seven and.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Seven the guy can play forever long he, wants in my,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: opinion what does his future look?
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: Like, well the first thing he said last night he's
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: going to recalibrate with his, family Which i'm sure it's absolutely.
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: True he's going to take him time off, mentally which is.
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: Unbelievable came back him Being Lebron, james where every minute you,
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: go everybody knows who you, are so you have no
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: mental relief as far as just hanging, out and that
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: from the basketball standpoint is that you're the focal point
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: of every team trying to stop, you and that your
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: own team needs you to play elite every single. Night
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: that's the mental physical part Of Lebron james's. Life, now
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: the question right now is an unrestricted free Agent july,
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: first he made last year fifty two point six million.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: Dollars now that stops. Now so The lakers cannot afford
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: him as far as with their with their with their going,
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: forward they're going to have to Pay Austin. Reefs Austin
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: reeves got a player option which is going to opt
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: out at fourteen point nine. Million So sean AND i
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: talked About Walker kessler's contract roughly thirty million or so
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: possibly for The. Jets he's. Restricted what are The lakers
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: going to Pay Austin? Reeves what does he work for their?
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: Franchise because as they go, forward he wiped me the
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: second or third option of a an their, world The
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: lakers of a hopefully a deep playoff, team how they think.
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: It So austin probably worth they're going to play, him
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: have to pay him at least thirty eight to forty
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: two million times four or five. Years and so That's lebron's,
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: Contract and so where Does lebron Fit. In we're going
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: to find Out.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Berty are THE nba officials too big of a storyline
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: right now in these? Playoffs he Had Austin reeves, cause you,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: know with big problem with the. Officials Jalen brown had
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: really strong. WORDS. Jb. Bickerstaff now with some big time.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Words are the officials more visible in this playoff than
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: they should?
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: Be no planning too? Much and so were the coaches
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: they're trying to get gamemanship. Now the answer is absolutely. No,
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: objectively And i'm a former coach for thirty six, years
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: is that they do an unbelievable great. Job you could
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: call a foul on every possession of a playoff game,
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: easily especially in the lane where people are bumping bodies perfectly.
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: Normal so the answer is, no they're. Not and that's
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: what makes it so. Remarkable remember that With victor wembyamba
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: when he swung that, elbow that was the correct call
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: people actually was if they pick On wenby for doing,
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: That the answer is, no that's a flagrant. Too you
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: can't swing arms like that and hit people above above
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: their above their their in the head, area and that's what.
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: Happened so that call was the correct, call so the
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: officials to do a good job play through.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: It did you think When minyamo was going to get
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: a suspension after the high, Elbow, no because it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: Was unintended other, Ways it wasn't like, premeditated this is
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: the heat of the. Game it was. Not so the
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: answer is, NO i never thought he'd be suspended because
• 51:22
  Speaker 8: so the way the way it happened was like a
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: bang bang play tried to get Nax read off. Him he,
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: swung he swung his up out his. Face, absolutely but
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: it wasn't. Predetermined i'm sure he regrets it right now
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: what he, did and it affected the outcome of that.
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: Game and now it's too true showing a long time
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: ago back In december, fourteenth nineteen ninety one And jazz,
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: basketball AND i was there front and center to say the,
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: least Cal malone Gave Isaiah thomas forty two stitches in
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: the forehead area and also on his, face And call
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: was suspended for one game without pay and he got
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: he got fined ten thousand Dollars and that was that
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: was a vicious elbow Bte hall what happened before. That
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: they Took call's head off as far as him going
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: to the. Basket on By, Lambia lambert took his head,
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: off and later On stockton about two before, that two
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: plays went in the, lane he took his head. Off
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: so that was that was like a bang bang three
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: things in a, row and cor responded to that call was.
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: Suspended Victor wembyemba many years, later was not it was
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: the right thing to. Do as far as Wen beyamba
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: not suspending, THEM.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I already Mentioned Oklahoma city's looked incredibly dominant through these.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Playoffs The knicks are starting to build a case in
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: The Eastern conference even more. So uh who who else?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Though is still a. Contender as we're watching these games
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: play with a couple other series tied up in two,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: piece you're, saying.
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: How about The Tea. Wolves see, again they're in his
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: place Called, Minneapolis, minnesota and they're in the middle of the,
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: country so it's Not east coast byou so west, coast you,
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: know as far as Love, fest all, right so The
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: Tea wolves to be a good. Game. Yeah game five
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: is tonight In San. Antonio game six are going to
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: be In, minnesota And Lord willing in THE. Nba NBA's
• 53:09
  Speaker 8: a world they want to have a game seven And.
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: Sewan you know it's similar that the playoffs is that
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: there's nothing like. It there's so many subplots within the
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: game and also the, day the days before up in the.
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: Game so just think about what happened in the playoffs this.
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: Season there was there was three game sevens in the
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: first round three and, that and there was two sweeps
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: so far this playoffs, Series so three game sevens and
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: then there were two times already there was two. Sweeps
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: so you think you knows, something you don't know, anything
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: because what happens in the play the games are decided
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: by the players on the, court and each game take
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: a different intensity level and a different. Path and that's
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: why the player or a coach you got up The
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: but you've got to stay in the. Moment don't think
• 54:03
  Speaker 8: about things the next. Game get through that game as
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: far as what you need to. Do and that's why
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: it's so important to be able to stay in the
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: moment if you're a player on the, court don't think
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: about things that happened as far as misshots of two minutes.
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: Ago make the next, shot as far as when you take.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: It, jory what's your list? Today all?
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: Right my list, Today, sean AND i did this, Ironically,
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: SEAN i promise you this on being. TRUTHFUL i did
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: this yesterday, morning not last. Night so the list was
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: the Most korea forty plus point games in playoff, history
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: the most by a, player and Then Donnal mitchell last
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: night got. It so it was so interesting how it
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: played out all. Right top twelve of all time most
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: Ever korea forty plus point games in, postseason number. Twelve
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: kareem Abduja ba did it nine, times and remember now
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: With kareem no three point shot number eleven all. Time
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: Allen iverson with ten tie for ninth all time with
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: ELEVEN a Team alasji one And James harden time for
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: eighth all. Time shaquille O'Neal with TWELVE i tied for.
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: Six Kobe bryant and Wil chamblain they did it thirteen.
• 55:21
  Speaker 8: Times forty plus point games or more tied for fourth all.
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: Time Elgin bala And Kevin durant they did it fourteen.
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: Times the third best career most forty point games Is
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: Jerry west with twenty. Times number two Is Lebron james
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: did it twenty nine times and the number one player
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: in the history of basketball in postseason with the most
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: ever forty plus point games Is Michael. Jordan het did
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: it thirty eight times forty points of war in a playoff,
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: game which is. Outrageous how about Quickly jazz Basketball Carl
• 55:59
  Speaker 8: malone did it four times forty points of, more including
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: one fifty massive piece back in two thousand versus The,
• 56:08
  Speaker 8: sonics and Mentioned Donvin mitchell has done it eight times
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: in his. Career he did it four times with The,
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: jazz including also in the twenty Twenty bubble In, Orlando
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: dinavan scored fifty seven points and fifty one points against
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: the dem And. Nuggets so when you're scoring forty points
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: in a playoff, game you have unbelievable talent and ball.
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: Skills thus that's my list of.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Today, gordy always appreciate your time and your, expertise my,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Friend thanks so.
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: Much Thanks, sean peace, out stay.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Well That's Gordy, jasea our RESIDENT nba. Guru we get
• 56:45
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• 56:48
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• 56:52
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  Speaker 3: Show welcome in our Friend Tom callahan At callahan on
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  Speaker 3: air on the Old Twitter, machine host Of Lockdown, mammoth
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  Speaker 3: as we talk SOME nhl playoffs and check in on
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  Speaker 3: Some mammoth prospects as. Well Tom, callahan welcome back to the.
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  Speaker 3: Show how are, you, Sir i'm doing.
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  Speaker 6: Well thanks for having me. BACK i appreciate.
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  Speaker 3: It The Golden, knights who of course eliminated The Utah,
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  Speaker 3: mammoth have moved on to a really compelling series now
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  Speaker 3: with The Anaheim. Ducks that one is tied up two to,
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  Speaker 3: two and you've got another matchup, Tonight game five AT
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  Speaker 3: T Mobile arena In Las. Vegas, Obviously game five is
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  Speaker 3: a crucial one in all of these. Series how do
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  Speaker 3: you See game five for The knights and The.
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  Speaker 6: Ducks you know, What i've enjoyed this series quite a
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  Speaker 6: bit because we are seeing a lot of different kinds
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  Speaker 6: of hockey within, it and some nights It's, anaheim some
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  Speaker 6: nights It's. VEGAS i, REALLY i, Mean i'm still kind
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  Speaker 6: of Thinking anaheim has a chance in this series to Beat.
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  Speaker 6: Vegas and, AGAIN i look back at The utah series
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  Speaker 6: And utah showed that The Golden knights are, beatable AND
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  Speaker 6: i do believe, That and you, know it's from a
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  Speaker 6: standpoint of what do The ducks. Have they have, youth
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  Speaker 6: they have some, speed they can get pucks to the,
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  Speaker 6: net and, Honestly vegas is a little beat. Up Mark
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  Speaker 6: stone has been in and out of the. Lineup he's
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  Speaker 6: it's hard for them when he's not in. There But
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  Speaker 6: vegas is a little older, team a little more, savvy veteran.
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  Speaker 6: Team some guys were around to win That Stanley. CUP i,
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  Speaker 6: mean this is a hockey team that doesn't. Rattle they're
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  Speaker 6: not going to freak. Out so you really do have
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  Speaker 6: to push the play all the time Against vegas to
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  Speaker 6: be able to beat. Them but that is a exactly
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  Speaker 6: WHAT i feel Like anaheim can, do and that's why
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  Speaker 6: the series has been so. Compelling it's a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of the you, know the immovable object meeting the unstoppable,
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  Speaker 6: force and it's been some very entertaining. Hockey i'm still
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  Speaker 6: thinking The ducks can pull this.
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  Speaker 3: Off so we've made the point many times on the
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  Speaker 3: air that you, know there's there's quarterbacks in, football there's
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  Speaker 3: pitchers in, baseball there's goaltenders in hockey who have a
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  Speaker 3: just massively outsized influence on individual games but also on
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  Speaker 3: seven game, series and you, know correct me If i'm,
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  Speaker 3: wrong but it does not feel in this Particular Stanley
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  Speaker 3: cup playoff that any of the main storylines yet have
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  Speaker 3: been about a goaltender standing on their head and just
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  Speaker 3: being impassable and impossible to score. On who is the
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  Speaker 3: hottest goaltender in The Stanley cup playoffs right?
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  Speaker 6: Now that's actually a good, question and you're. RIGHT i
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  Speaker 6: don't know if there is. One maybe it's Yak abdovish With,
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  Speaker 6: montreal he really kind of came out of nowhere this.
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  Speaker 6: Year started the, years the backup didn't play a whole
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  Speaker 6: heck of a. Lot by the end of the year
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  Speaker 6: had stolen the starting mantle and is leaving The canadians
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  Speaker 6: in that series With buffalo two to. ONE i think
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  Speaker 6: he's been a. Story. Now that doesn't mean they're on't
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  Speaker 6: goaltending stories For. Anaheim As Lucas dostal, goes so go The,
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  Speaker 6: ducks whether he's been good or, bad and certainly they'd
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  Speaker 6: love to see him be more. CONSISTENT i think that's
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  Speaker 6: a big story for. Them and then With, Carolina, carolina
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  Speaker 6: it's crazy to realize they've swept both. Series they Swept,
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  Speaker 6: ottawa they Swept philadelphia and they haven't even really had
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  Speaker 6: a test of their. Goaltending so that's another one that's
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  Speaker 6: almost a little bit, unknown is what's going to happen
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  Speaker 6: Whenever carolina faces whoever happens to be out of The
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  Speaker 6: Buffalo montreal. Series and the fact That carolina is literally
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  Speaker 6: going to be sitting around for a, week week and a,
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  Speaker 6: half that's going to be a story onto itself for.
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  Speaker 6: THEM i really do feel like they'll be at a
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  Speaker 6: big disadvantage for. SITTING i don't like the way the
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  Speaker 6: schedule goes in this round of the. Playoffs but even
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  Speaker 6: Like Colorado, minnesota you're, RIGHT i, mean goaltending is not
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  Speaker 6: a feature story. There it's there really hasn't been one
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  Speaker 6: guy where we're looking at on you, know like An
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  Speaker 6: Andre vasilevski who just, oh game, seven it's time for
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  Speaker 6: him to pitch another. Shutout, like there's not that guy this,
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  Speaker 6: year except, again Maybe dobish is the closest thing to.
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  Speaker 3: IT i was wondering how important the wild clawing one
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  Speaker 3: away from from The avalanche, was if that was going
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  Speaker 3: to Put, colorado you, know put any doubt in their
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  Speaker 3: minds and make them start the question and then of,
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  Speaker 3: course last night five to two in the, back firmly
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  Speaker 3: in control of the. Series and you, know three to
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  Speaker 3: one is not insurmountable IN nhl playoff, hockey but three
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  Speaker 3: to one is a nice little controlling stake here for
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  Speaker 3: an already Hot Colorado avalanche. Team what are The wild
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  Speaker 3: needs to do to try to stay alive in that? Series, now.
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  Speaker 6: If you look at the, series in the five, games The,
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  Speaker 6: wild even when they did score six all the way
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  Speaker 6: back In game, One colorado scored. Nine you, know it's, like,
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  Speaker 6: wow are you kidding? Me the one game they, won
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  Speaker 6: they really controlled the ice and Controlled colorado's ability to
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  Speaker 6: handle and manage the, puck and that is the entire
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  Speaker 6: key for the wildest puck. Possession it's not, boy this
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  Speaker 6: offense needs to get going a boy this you know they. Need,
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  Speaker 6: look your goaltender could steal you, one but that's really
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  Speaker 6: not the point of how you're going to beat The
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  Speaker 6: avalanche because that's only going to get you one. Game
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  Speaker 6: what they need is to play puck possession two hundred
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  Speaker 6: feet of, hockey and they need to do it against
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  Speaker 6: a team that's really good at doing that. Itself so to,
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  Speaker 6: me this comes down to basically an effort matchup from
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  Speaker 6: now on for The, wild they have to win those,
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  Speaker 6: puck they have to win the face, offs they have
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  Speaker 6: to control the neutral, zone and they're gonna have to
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  Speaker 6: do it by skating their butts, off working harder Than
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  Speaker 6: colorado and making smarter and better, plays which is really
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  Speaker 6: hard to. Do colorado is well, coached they stick to their.
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  Speaker 6: System their system, works and they have the horses to run.
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  Speaker 6: It so if The wild they're going to somehow figure
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  Speaker 6: out a way to win three in a row Against,
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  Speaker 6: colorado it is all about playing, chests not, checkers and
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  Speaker 6: they really do have to control the.
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  Speaker 3: Puck be all a puck to the face For nathan,
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  Speaker 3: McKinnon but didn't take them off the ice. Much there's
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  Speaker 3: not even a question. Here tom is just even star,
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  Speaker 3: players it's not glamorous for them in THE nhl playoffs
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  Speaker 3: because he WOULD i scored a goal after?
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  Speaker 9: That?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah it's it's almost like a badge of. Honor it's,
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  Speaker 6: like howsff did your face get during the? Playoffs? Oh,
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  Speaker 6: okay nice? Job you. Know it's you, know but in all,
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  Speaker 6: seriousness like hockey players tough and they want to be out.
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  Speaker 6: There the stars want to be out. There could they
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  Speaker 6: sit him in a three to one series lead, situation
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  Speaker 6: sure they, could and they could probably win without, him
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  Speaker 6: but they're not going to and that is what it
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  Speaker 6: comes down to this time of. Year the idea being
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  Speaker 6: we Went game five and Then i'll get my, rest
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  Speaker 6: and hopefully The ducks And Golden knights go seven and
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  Speaker 6: THEN i will get my. Rest and so that's just
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  Speaker 6: how they treat it this time of. Year it's a
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  Speaker 6: real warrior type of mentality that they just every single
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  Speaker 6: guy will battle through as much as they can possibly
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  Speaker 6: handle and probably a little, more just to try to
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  Speaker 6: stay active in the. Playoffs and you're, right it is
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  Speaker 6: the ultimate sacrifice this time of. Year here's a fun
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  Speaker 6: little thing for the. LISTENERS i don't know if people know.
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  Speaker 6: This these guys aren't getting paychecks in the. Playoffs THE
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  Speaker 6: nhl pays its players in the regular, season so that
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  Speaker 6: way everybody gets their money over in even whatever it
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  Speaker 6: is twenty six weeks or something like. That but once
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs, start that's. It you're done getting paid for
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  Speaker 6: the regular. Season now the only thing they're playing for
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  Speaker 6: is a chance to win The Stanley, cup and of
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  Speaker 6: course the further you. Advance there is something called playoff,
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  Speaker 6: share so you do get a little more money per
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  Speaker 6: player every round that you. Advanced but is it anywhere
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  Speaker 6: near your? Paycheck, no it's. Not it's, nice but this
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  Speaker 6: battle is all about the pride and the passion it
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  Speaker 6: takes to win The Stanley.
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  Speaker 3: CUP i don't think that most of our listeners knew.
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  Speaker 3: THAT i didn't know, that and we learned some of
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  Speaker 3: the ins and outs of this IN nfl playoffs a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years, ago when our Beloved Eric weddle came
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  Speaker 3: out of retirement and ended up winning A Super bowl
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  Speaker 3: with The, rams and everyone was, like, oh he probably
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  Speaker 3: got a couple of million bucks to do. That, no
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  Speaker 3: it's all collectively. Bargained and you, know you get twenty
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  Speaker 3: five grand for the first round and then forty grand
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  Speaker 3: for the next round or. Whatever so when you say,
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  Speaker 3: it you know that playoff share what kind of? MONEY i?
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  Speaker 3: Mean this is a pittance for the or it's it's
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  Speaker 3: a nice you, know it's like you can buy a
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  Speaker 3: new car with. It what are the real figures looking
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  Speaker 3: like for? Playoffs?
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  Speaker 6: Here who's new car are we talking? About?
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  Speaker 3: HERE a good, question you, know you.
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  Speaker 6: Know it's kind of, funny AND i would have to
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  Speaker 6: go into THE cba to tell, you AND i don't
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  Speaker 6: off the top of my head know how much that.
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  Speaker 6: Is it's but it is kind of along the lines of.
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  Speaker 6: That So i'm trying to find let's see, here just
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  Speaker 6: doing a real quick. Search, Okay so it looks like
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  Speaker 6: the playoff money breaks down like, this or at least
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  Speaker 6: this is according to What i'm finding. Online Is President's
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  Speaker 6: trophy winner, meeting the team gets five hundred thousand as a,
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  Speaker 6: bonus and in the first, round the loser's got two
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  Speaker 6: hundred fifty thousand dollars to each of the eight, Teams
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  Speaker 6: So utah got two fifty, collectively not for. Players so
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  Speaker 6: now that's split what twenty three? Ways so, YEAH i
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  Speaker 6: mean we're breaking. It if you're dividing by, ten it's
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  Speaker 6: like twenty five, thousand you, know if you were to
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  Speaker 6: divide it. Ten so, yeah that's that's about what you're.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: Talking and then it goes. Up second round gets five
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  Speaker 6: hundred thousand to the four, teams one point two five
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  Speaker 6: million to the two teams that, lose and Then Stanley Cup.
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  Speaker 6: Final even if you're The Stanley cup, champion your team
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  Speaker 6: gets three point seventy five, Million so that's kind of
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  Speaker 6: that's kind of. Interesting, uh, YEAH i.
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  Speaker 3: Guess you're not doing it for the paycheck at this,
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  Speaker 3: point like you, said.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah you buy A. Chevy so, although, look you can
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  Speaker 6: insult me for that kind of, money that's. Fine i'll
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  Speaker 6: lose in the first.
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  Speaker 3: Round, yeah these guys are pulling in a little bit
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  Speaker 3: better weekly than you AND i are on a on
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  Speaker 3: a regular, basis especially now that the salary cap went
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  Speaker 3: up again in THE, nhl which is nice to see
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  Speaker 3: the you, know continued growth of a sport that we've
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  Speaker 3: gone to. Love Here Tom, callahan and by the, way
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  Speaker 3: is our guest here on The sean O'Connell, show talking
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  Speaker 3: the Continuing Stanley Cup playoffs in the absence of This
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  Speaker 3: Utah mammoth team that has to watch from home while
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  Speaker 3: teams like The Colorado avalanche and The Carolina hurricanes continue
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  Speaker 3: to pursue Their Stanley cup favorite odds and their respective.
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  Speaker 3: Conferences you, mentioned you, Know colorado trying to get through
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  Speaker 3: this one get a little bit of. Rest you also
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  Speaker 3: earlier mentioned That carolina is maybe going to get too much.
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  Speaker 3: Rest what is the goldilocks zone in your opinion in
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  Speaker 3: The Stanley cup, playoffs where you, know two sweeps in
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  Speaker 3: a row and too much sitting around can't be good for,
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  Speaker 3: you interrupts, momentum gets you a little bit you, know slow,
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  Speaker 3: whatever versus of, course you, know seven game series back
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  Speaker 3: to back to back becomes maybe too much of a.
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  Speaker 3: Grunt where is the perfect balance.
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  Speaker 6: To, me it depends if you're traveling or. Not but
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  Speaker 6: if you, are you. Aren't just three to four days
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  Speaker 6: is a good amount of rest because the day after
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  Speaker 6: a series, finishes it allows you to give the team
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  Speaker 6: a day. Off so if you're playing at, home you
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  Speaker 6: can then practice on day two you're not. Traveling on day,
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  Speaker 6: three you can have another, practice another, skate and then
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  Speaker 6: you play to start the series on that fourth. Day
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  Speaker 6: if you're, TRAVELING i would like four days because then
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  Speaker 6: you get a day off and then again you can do, practice,
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  Speaker 6: practice travel day to your destination on that fourth, day
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  Speaker 6: and you start on day five that new. SERIES i
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  Speaker 6: think that's enough to give guys a little bit of
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  Speaker 6: rest and recharge and keep the. Momentum WHEREAS i have
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: actually been on a team now it was in the minor,
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  Speaker 6: leagues BUT i was on a team that did exactly
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: What carolina, did swept the first and second rounds and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: then sat for nine, days AND i felt like that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: team should have won a. Championship but seriously incredibly rosty
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: performances in game one and two fell behind in the.
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  Speaker 6: Series it was it was o tow tied it up
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  Speaker 6: to to and then Lost game five And game six in.
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  Speaker 6: Overtime so you, know you wonder the what ifs of
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: that scenario if you're not sitting for nine. Days because
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  Speaker 6: it took them two games to really get it. Going
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: the second game was closer than the, first BUT i
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: think it was seriously. Detrimental SO i do believe the
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  Speaker 6: teams that tend to win a series in maybe six
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  Speaker 6: games are operating in about the Optimum.
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  Speaker 3: Switching gears a little bit to talk about This utah mammothof.
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  Speaker 3: Season i've already picked your brain a little bit on,
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  Speaker 3: this but you, know there's the possibility of trying to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: add some pieces, externally and of course then there's this
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: really nice pipeline of recent high draft picks that are
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: all progressing and some of them playing In canadian leagues
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: and some of them, juniors and just kind of like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: putting it, together and we saw a couple of guys
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  Speaker 3: on the big league club earlier this. Year when you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: listen to Coach, bhaer when you listen more importantly to The,
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  Speaker 3: armstrongs do you think there's a hardcore commitment one way
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  Speaker 3: or another to, like let's build with what we have
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: or let's use some assets and maybe bring in external.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Pieces what is more likely for The Utah mammoth the
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  Speaker 3: offseason in your?
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  Speaker 6: MIND i think For, utah especially, defensively they like what they.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: HAVE i think they really are enamored with their blue
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  Speaker 6: line and their pipeline to the blue. Line SO i
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: don't think there's going to be a whole lot of movement.
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  Speaker 6: THERE i do think that they'll have a decision to,
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  Speaker 6: make and a guy Like Ian, COLE i don't know
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  Speaker 6: if there's a room for him next, year especially if
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: the possibility of maybe the graduation of someone like A
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: simashev or A lamaru to the blue line does. Happen
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: and The nick D simone signing has been JUST i mean.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: Amazing it picked them up on waivers and the guy's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: been nothing but. Phenomenal he's given them depth and the
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: confidence to let the younger players. DEVELOP i think it's very. Happy,
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  Speaker 6: defensively they really do like whether at upfront every team
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  Speaker 6: will go through shuffling in the. SUMMER i think there's
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  Speaker 6: a little bit more shuffling to be done upfront and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: decisions to be made with This mammoth. Team Barry hayton
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  Speaker 6: being AN, RFA i don't think really is going to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: be an earth shaking decision for. THEM i expect he's
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: going to be back no. Problem maybe the real and
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: we actually just talked about this on our last, show
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  Speaker 6: is you know what kind of contract does hate and
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: end up getting is in a little shorter term a
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: little longer. TERM i think that The mammoth really like
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: what they have in the pipeline for the young kids up,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: front AND i think that they're very excited about. That
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: but they are further away Most in most, cases they
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: are further away FROM nhl impact than the. Defense so
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: upfront that be where you see the opportunity to try
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: to sign someone short things up a little bit in
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: the free. AGENCY i think they like their top six
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: AND i think they would like to SEE Jj peterka
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: push himself back into the conversation for the top six if,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: Anything for The, mammoth they're kind of shooting for the.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: Middle they don't need a game, breaker at least as
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: far as they're. CONCERNED i am curious to see When
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: Bill armstrong talks about building a team that is, physical
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: that's big and can lean on you and handle that
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: kind of. WEIGHT i felt like that was one of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: the shortcomings from The mamoth in the. PLAYOFFS i felt
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: they weren't physical. Enough But, Vegas i'd like to see
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: if that's going to be addressed in the free. Agency
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: but to, me that's REALLY i think the direction of
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: the team is we might see a little more movement up.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: FRONT i think they really like the. Defense and THEN i,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: mean vedgesn't going. ANYWHERE i don't know if they're going
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: to Bring banichick back or. NOT i think, personally for
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: vantage that could be better for him to. Leave, PROFESSIONALLY
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: i would like to see him back BECAUSE i like.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: Him i'm one of the few people who's really a
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: fan of b Type. Banachick BUT i think he's a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: very good. Goaltender he just didn't play. Enough no backup
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: goaltender For utah really plays enough to be good to be.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: Effective so that's a hard. Spot to be in and
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: to want to get a guy to come in and, Accept,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: hey you might only play ten fifteen, Games.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: So what's the chicken in the egg on That veggie
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: just likes to play that. Much bear likes to keep
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: this guy out, there or was there a lack of
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: trust With vanichik and so they Kept veggie out there
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: more than would be ideal because they know there was
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: not a lot of wiggle, Room there was not a
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: margin for error in the.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: Standings, no it's more of a A bear likes to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: run his number. One we talk about a ONE a
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: and a ONE b with a lot of teams THE
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: nhl for, goaltenders and it's like a sixty forty, split
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: maybe sixty five thirty. Five that is not How Andre
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: tourney seems to do. Things the numbers bear out that
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: he likes to pick a starter and run with that. Guy,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: now it doesn't mean his starter won't, change because we
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: did see that Between vege And Connor ingram in previous
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: seasons that who was the starter did go back and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: forth a couple of times based on how they're. Playing
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: but it's not going to be a situation where every
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: third or every fourth game the backup knows they're going
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: to get enough playing time to be. Consistent AND i
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: do think that hinders any goaltender in a backup. Situation
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: it is almost impossible to be good when you play
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: so little so and the other thing is Too and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: we've talked about this several times ourselves on the, show
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: is That vege seems to play better when he's, pushed
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: when there is, competition when he feels, that AND i
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: think that drives any player to know that there is that.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: Competition and SO i would actually like to see that
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: inspire a ONE a ONE b type of setup because
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: you get the benefit of your goaltenders being, fresher and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: then you also get the benefit of both of them
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: playing basically to try to top one, another you. Know
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: AND i think that would actually be super beneficial for
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: THE Utahm. MANNA i just don't think it's in the. Cards.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: Tom BEFORE i let you, go, there has anything happened
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: in These Stanley cup playoffs that change your pick for
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: who's going to win The? Cup we have you been
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: surprised enough by Either carolina or somebody Against colorado or
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: whatever that has changed your opinion one way or, Another
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: and who you think is going to end up skating
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: around With Lord Stanley's cup when it's all said and.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: DONE i always thought That colorado was going to be.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: GOOD i am a little shocked at how easy it's
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: been For, Carolina BUT i also Think ottawa And, philadelphia
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: like whoever came out of The Pittsburgh killy, MATCHUP i
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: didn't think we was going to Trouble. Carolina the fact
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: that they haven't lost the game yet is a little.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: Surprising montreal has been a. SURPRISE i, actually just for nostalgia's.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: SAKE i Picked buffalo to Be dallas this, year and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: that was more of, a you, know a just desserts
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: kind of thing for. Me BUT i, Mean i've always
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: Thought colorado was the powerhouse in The, west and nothing
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: has changed my mind on. That i'm really curious to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: see who gets out of The, east because any one Of,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: BUFFALO Montreali carolina could easily be in The Stanley Cup
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: final at this. Point, again it may come down to
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: If colorado goes through Their Western conference finals Through, vegas,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: here Through anaheim wherever they, face and it's not a
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: long series and they're not heavily. Taxed if they're sitting.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: Around how do they react once they get to A
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: Stanley Cup. Final SO i, know, LOOK i know you're
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: gotta play the. Series upsets, HAPPENED i get, that BUT
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: i really do feel like it's going to take a
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: lot to Beat.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: COLORADO i have one more question for. YOU i do
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: this thing WHERE i look, at you, know the get
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: in price in certain, cities and like with The World
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: cup coming, In i'm looking at how cheap can you
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: get into a? Game and when you're talking about playoff,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: hockey playoff, basketball playoff, baseball. Whatever to, me it's an indication,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: of you, know just how passionate a fan base is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: in certain. Places if those prices go crazy right, now
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: you know it's three times as expensive to get into
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: A canadians game that it is to like any other
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: place around the around the league right, now and we
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: at at The Delta. Center you, know this fan base
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: wants to pride itself on being like the most, hardcore,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: passionate loud fan base in THE. Nhl sooner than. Later
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: who are the contenders that you have to? Overcome who
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: are the legendary fan bases and buildings in THE nhl
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: that we're going to have to surpass to have that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: reputation in hockey.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: And how much back at my former employer Than National.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: PREDATORS i always thought that was an intimidate place to,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: play to come into for a road, team especially when
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: the crowd was loud and they were into. It chicago
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: used to be uh AND i think once that team
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: starts winning, again they will be. Again that is a
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: very difficult building to go into in a difficult fan.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: Base a lot of the old school fan. BASES i,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: mean you have to talk About. Philadelphia it is hard
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: to go Into philly and do anything and even Be
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: Santa claus In. Philadelphia and if for bang you don't
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: know What i'm talking, about they Booed santa In. Philadelphia
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: so that's that's a hard. Place, montreal their fan bases
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: is epic and you hear them right Now toronto when
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: they're going they are To boston can be a hard
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: place to, play you. Know so those are some of
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: the ones THAT i think you would you would absolutely
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: look at as, oh if you want to be in
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: the upper echelon OF nhl fan, bases those are the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: ones that are really really, good solid fan. Bases AND
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: i will give a shout out to The Winnipeg jets,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: fans especially in the playoffs when they're doing the white
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: out that, place and they have one of the smallest
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: arenas in the, league but because of that they pack. It it's.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: Loud the energy there is. Crazy So Playoff winnipeg is
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: also a really good.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: One, tom appreciate you giving us your time and your.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: Insight yet, again my, friend thank you so, much appreciate.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: You absolutely look forward to talking.
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  Speaker 3: just were talking about playoff, shares, right the pay that
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: you get during playoff, hockey the pay that you get
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: during playoff. Basketball we talked about. This you go back
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: a few years When Eric weddle came out of retirement
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: to win A Super bowl with The, rams AND i was, Like,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: oh what kind of signing bonus did they give. You
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: and he's, like, dude you. Can't you can't get special.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: Money it's all collectively bargained and you make a lot
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: less during the playoffs per game than you do during
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: the regular. Season, So, james while we was listening to
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: this as producers, are you, know he's doing his job
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: a good job of. It he started looking up what
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: playoff shares were for the respective big four leagues in
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: The United states Of, america, and, uh you, know right
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: now THE nba playoffs are going, on how much money
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: and much extra money ARE nba player is going to
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: get THE nhl. Playoffs we just talked about that with
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: With Tom. Callahan In Major League baseball and in THE,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: nfl they've got their own. Numbers, So James, peterson what
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: are the playoffs share numbers in these big. Leagues you're
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: the one who did the. RESEARCH i want you to,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: ELUCIDATE i want you to enlighten.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: Us, yeah So tom Was tom was telling us they're
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: not playing for the money IN. Nhl and as you
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: compare hockey TO, NBA, MLB, nfl the other four major
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: sports leagues In North, America he's absolutely. Right, uh THE
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: nba champion gets the most per player for playoff playoffs share,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: money playoff bonuses if you, will of all the of
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: the four Major North american, sports over six hundred thousand
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: per player for if you played on THE nba champ
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: ON Nba championship. Team and obviously it breaks down the
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: lower for each.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: ROUND i.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: CAN i can give you that, too oc but let
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: me let me go through the maximum first and then
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: and then if we want to get to, that we.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: Can we can get to the lower rounds. TWO mlb
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: it changes per year from WHAT i, understand, well they
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: all changed per, year BUT mlb IS i think the
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: most fluid from from the little bit of RESEARCH i
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: was able to do in the last half hour or,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: so The dodgers last, year though each player got over
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: four hundred eighty four thousand, dollars it's the second highest
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: playoff shares in league his In Major League baseball. History
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: from WHAT i was, reading Super bowl champions this coming
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: season twenty twenty, six If i'm not, mistaken or maybe
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: it was this last, season, ANYWAY i think it's this coming.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: Season for the twenty twenty SIX nfl, season they will
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: get one hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars, each significantly
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: lower than THE nba AND mlb players AND nhl their
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: shares come out to let, me let me do the
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: let me do the math more. Time oh, yeah their
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: shares come out to about the same As Super bowl
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: champions do per, player about one hundred and eighty eight
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars each for winning this if for being on
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: the win The Stanley cup winning.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Team so that that's how it breaks.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: Down it's really interesting that once again THE, nfl which
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: they they their, revenue makes THE nba, teams baseball, teams
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: certainly hockey teams revenue look like they don't even play
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: professional sports like they, do and yet they are just
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: they're they're the same amount of playoff share for winning
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: a Super bowl championship as THE i think least profitable
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: of the four major sports LEAGUES, nhl as they get
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: for being on A Stanley cup winning.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Team so that's actually pretty interesting to. Me you would
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: think that a Super bowl because of all the, PRESTIGE i,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: mean it's talked about as, being you, know arguably the
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: most important of all championships In american sports and doesn't
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: come with the big. Money now, again guys are making great, money.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: Right this is not about us complaining on behalf of
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: players for not getting paid. Enough every professional athlete is
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: making really really good. Money and yes there are some,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: who relative to their, popularity their contributions to their, sports
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: whatever you could make in, case are underpaid or. Overpaid
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: but that's actually somewhat. Surprising six hundred grand ish per
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: player FOR nba, champions just under five hundred thousand For
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: Major League baseball, champions and under two hundred thousand for
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: The Super bowl champs in THE nfl and for The
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: Stanley cup champs in THE. Nhl thanks for doing that, Research. James.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: Uh just one other quick. NOTE nfl obviously the total
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: because you're you're spreading it across fifty plus play was
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: it fifty three man rosters even in the?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: Playoffs?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: Right oh, see you're spreading that one hundred almost two
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars times fifty.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: Three you're not. Spreading they're not.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: Spreading THE nba is not going six hundred thousand for
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: fifty three, players so the total is still more than
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: any other sports. League BUT i would have expected each
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: player to get a little bit. More but, yeah we
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: can move. On, okay You're Ted lasso, fan, Right.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah i'm a Big Ted lassol. Fan Danny, rojas the
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: actor who plays is officially now a soccer professional soccer
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Player Christal. Fernandez we talked about. This WE i think
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: a couple of months ago we discussed. This he was
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: giving a, tryout, right he was getting a tryout for
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: The El Paso locomotive and they've officially signed him to the.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Club they kind of they did like a two month trial.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Period they wanted like a robust sample to see What
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Crystal fernandez was as a. Player he's in his late,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: thirties like He's it's not he's not some like, prospects
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: some spring. Chicken but, uh he he made the. Team
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: AND i get. It it's not AN mls. Club it's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: not like he's making AN nba basketball team or. Something
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: But Chrystal, FERNANDEZ i applaud. This anytime someone tries to do,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: this he doesn't have to do, it, Right he's not
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: doing this for the. Money he's not doing Like Ted
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: lasso is filming a. Movie, Now they're not going to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: like Leave they're not going to leave him out or
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: put him in based on him being a professional soccer
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: player in THE. Usl this is Someone i'm just pursuing
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: a passion and doing it In El paso instead of
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: In La so good For Danny, rojas the actor's real
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: name in real, life Because Cristo. FERNANDEZ i think that's really.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: NEAT i just it's so rare when people just chase
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: these whims because it can be embarrassing if you. Fail
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: and he didn't. Fail he made the team and maybe
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: there's an element of them wanting to capitalize on his,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: celebrity but he played well enough that they wanted to
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: use a roster spot on, him and that's pretty darn.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: Cool, well it goes to, show like you just said right,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: there when you watch, him you, know be awesome on
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: As Denny rojas And Ted, lasso that that's not all,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: fake like he actually can't play soccer a little. Bit
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: it's cool that he's going to get a chance to
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Professionally and by the, WAY i, applauded especially because whenever
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: you see like there's something someone needs to maybe this
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: is a million dollar. Idea there's somebody who needs to
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: be in charge of teaching actors how to perform sports
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: at like an even just base. Level so they're believable
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: when they play athletes in. Movies, Right, like there's there's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: a bunch of now combat coaches In. Hollywood there's fight,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: coaches there's choreographers that teach people how to throw proper
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: punches and, kicks and the result of that is you
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: get some pretty convincing fight. Scenes that's. Good you have
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: never seen, though like a halfway decent football throw from an.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Actor they can't do. It they can't throw a, spiral
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: they don't know how to do. It they all look
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: so terrible because they're ultimately people who make it to
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: a certain level of success In. Hollywood they're usually theater
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: kids that had to make a decision at age you know,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: whatever twelve that they were going to pursue the arts
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: instead of. Sports obviously there's a exceptions to, that but,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: man every single time you see an actor trying to
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: throw throwing more than anything, else it just looks, so
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: so so. Terrible there needs to be a sports coach In.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: HOLLYWOOD i think there are sports, choreographers, basketball, whatever whatever
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: the case might.
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• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: Are and the ONLY i don't know how real this
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: is in real, life but if you ever Watched One Tree.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: Hill skills ends up being a basketball choreographer In. Hollywood
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: so on that, Show so BUT i don't. KNOW i,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: mean that's just A tv.
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  Speaker 3: Show it Made Gills Skills taylor is the name of.
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  Speaker 4: The Antoine Skills taylor shout.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: Out Charles Skills taylor one of the main characters In
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: One Tree, hill played By Antoine. Tanner that's got to
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: be interesting when you get to play a character that's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: got the same in your.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: NAME i didn't realize he had the same name.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: As uh spelled spelled. DIFFERENT a twin in the show
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  Speaker 3: is A N T O I N, e and twine
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  Speaker 3: in his real life is A N t W O.
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  Speaker 3: N so there it.
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  Speaker 5: Is they couldn't just spell it the same for, him
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  Speaker 5: like when they knew they were hiring and they were
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: casting An antoine for The but, yeah he got his
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: uh his pickup street ball nickname Is skills and so
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: he ends up he ends up after playing high school
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: basketball at At Tree Hill High, ends you, know, later
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: ends up becoming a basketball, CHOREOGRAPHER i, think is what
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: he calls.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: Himself, so which which one was, Better Dawson's creek Or
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: One Tree? Hill weren't they just the same show on different.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: Networks basically WHAT i, HEARD i.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: DIDN'T i haven't Seen Dawson's, creek BUT i Love One Tree. Hill,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: okay SO i probably Love Dawson's. Creek Is Dawson. Creek
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: Dawson's creek also basketball? RELATED i, DON'T i don't. KNOW
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: i don't know The Dawson Dozens. Creek One Tree hill
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: is like it's like the basketball version Of Friday Night
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: lights with a little with a lot less emphasis on the.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Sport, YEAH i don't. KNOW i didn't Watch Dawson's creek.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: Either so and if you Search Dawson's creek, sport there's
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: a real place Called Dawson's creek that it just takes,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: you takes you to like their their their wreck. Page
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: that's WHAT i.
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  Speaker 4: Wanted, yeah we have.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: We have pickleball here In Dawson's. Creek all, right, Fine no.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Way Tree, Hill North carolina is not a real, place.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately oh too. Bad it's named after, Uh New, Zealand Tree,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: Hill New.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: Zealand, yeah one One Tree. Hill there's there's an there's a.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: Monument it's like it's a hill by the. City One
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: Tree hill is In, Auckland New. ZEALAND i don't know
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: that that's.
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  Speaker 5: WHERE i think the creator Of One Tree, hill THE
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: tv show is From New Zealand, and so it was
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: like an ode to their.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: Roots but it not a real place In North.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Carolina i've been To One Tree hill In. Auckland WHEN
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: i fought In, auckland we went To One Tree hill
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: and it is just a beautiful like city park with
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: a hill and you see a lot of. SHEEP i
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: think they just trot them out because that's What New
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  Speaker 3: zealand is known.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: For that's, awesome all.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: Right this one is not necessarily sports. RELATED i did
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: put a pole question up that is sports related based
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: on this. Story but the pole, Question, james is what
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: kind of spoiler deserves the most? Punishment you spoil an
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: important sports, result you spoil A tv, show or you
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: spoil a. Movie which one deserves the most egregious? Punishment?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: See this one's tough because As i've gotten, Older i've
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: gotten less upset about getting. Spoiled i'll be honest with.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: You SO i JUST i THINK i ended up my
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: process of. ELIMINATION i ended up choosing the sports spoilers because.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: That's WHAT i probably care the.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: Most about not getting, spoiled BUT i, mean it sucks
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: GETTING i think. It probably the next ONE i would
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: probably say is the show spoiler. MOVIE i don't, Know
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: maybe that's just never hasn't bothered me as much as
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: it maybe bothers other.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: People, okay, well as far As i'm, aware just spoiling
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: things in like spoiling a, movie spoiling A tv show
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: in The United, STATES i think it's more of like
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: a social. Crime people are gonna get mad at you
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: on the internet over. It. YEAH i don't know if
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: you saw this, story But japanese man has been sentenced
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: to eighteen months in prison because he Published he published
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: spoilers for the highly anticipated Sequel godzilla minus one oh
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: eighteen months in. Prison it's like some elaborate form of
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: copyright infringement because he he runs like a movie spoiler.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: Website he didn't even write the, articles but he hosts the.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: Site and, yeah and he and because he because he
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: gained financially off the. Spoilers he sells advertising on his,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: website and he like it's a very successful. Website he's
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: he got like a couple hundred thousand dollars off of these.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Things but they're Putting they're putting him in jail for eighteen.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: Months that's, bad that is.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: TERRIBLE i feel like here in The United, states maybe
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: maybe we're wrong eight seven seven three five three zero
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: seven hundred if you know better than we, do BUT
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: i feel like it's. There the most could be like
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: a civil like lawsuit against you if you if you're
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: doing something like, that publishing things that the production company
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: doesn't want out, yet but you you happen to know.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: Somehow but THE i don't even know if that has
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: ever really.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: Happened i've never had spoilers, Like i've never had my
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: own personal spoilers on anything. Good sometimes we get sneak
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: preview tickets to the movies that are coming out through
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: the radio, station and it always feels cool when they
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: take your, phone yeah before you go into the, Movie
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: like you got to put your phone in this lock
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: box because we don't want anyone posting. Spoilers, YEAH i
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: am seeing This Star wars movie three days before everyone
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: else gets to see. It makes you feel. Special But
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: i've never never had access to. SPOILERS i certainly would
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: not want to serve any kind of jail time over
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: posting a, Spoiler SO i feel bad for this. Guy
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: it's pretty rough, sentence, honestly especially because It's. Godzilla i've
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: never seen. It let me tell you what. Happens the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: giant monster destroys a bunch of stuff and then mysteriously
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: disappears back into the. Ocean.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: Spoiler minus one has gotta be like prequel, prequel, right
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: like so before the first movie kind of that's is
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: that what minus one?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: Means godzilla Minus oh wait, no, okay So godzilla minus
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: one was the one that came, Out So godzilla minus
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: ZERO i was the one that's coming. Out godzilla minus
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: one was like a the Fiftieth godzilla movie, made and
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: it was about kind of like the origin Of. Godzilla new,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: producer new. Director it was really well. Done it was really,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: cool and it was Like godzilla During World WAR ii.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: Basically, yeah, okay so, yeah So i'm thinking along the right,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: lines and they're going back in time and telling you
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: more origins Of God's.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Yes so now this is the sequel to the.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: Prequel this is the Pre this the prequel, sequel.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: Gotcha so it's like.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: This is like four years After Godzilla minus. One it's
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: like it's like prequel.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: Inception we're going to make a seque of a prequel
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: that's still a.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: Prequel and now my brain is.
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• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: not believe What Lane kiffin. Said gave another reason why
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: he wanted to Leave ole miss and it just it's
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: just Vintage Lane kiffen. Obsurdity i'll give you that next
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  Speaker 3: Show we're gonna get Thorough bailey on at the off
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: our number three talk a Little Utah. Jazz big news
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  Speaker 3: DRAFT a real quick segment. HERE i wanted to give
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: its own. Spot Lane kiffin Left Old, miss somewhat controversially
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: to go TO. Lsu was asked yet again about his
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: reasonings for doing. It he came up with a new
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: one that we have not heard about until this, week
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: and part of what Lane kiffin said is that he
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: wanted to Leave Old miss partially because of the racial
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: tensions that exist in the past and the present of
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: The Old miss, campus The Old Miss rebels, nickname the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: state's history with racial, segregation with, slavery with things like.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: That he made some claims in a conversation that sometimes
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: grandparents would not let recruits go To Old miss because
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: Of mississippi's. Reputation now he's In, louisiana And louisiana is
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: of course still A southern state and has its own
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: long and complicated, history but he part of the recruiting,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: gap according to Lane, kiffin between a place LIKE lsu
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: And Old, miss is the racial history Of, Oxford, mississippi
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: and Of Old miss. Specifically they just recently got rid
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: of a lot of The confederate. Imagery it's still there
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: from a fan, perspective it's not officially part of the
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: actual campus. Anymore there was a brilliant campaign probably about
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: ten fifteen years ago where they were, Like, okave we're
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: going to be the, rebels but we want a new,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: logo a new mascot for the rebels and. Somebody the
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: winning vote actually went to Having Admiral, akbar the general
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: of The Galactic rebellion From Star, wars be the new,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: mascot but of course copyright rules With Star, Wars lucasfilm
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: still owned it at the. Time this was Pre. DISNEY
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: i think they wouldn't let the would let the university
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: Have Admiral akbar as the, rebel but in any, Case
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: Lane kiffen is further justifying his decision to Leave old
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: miss because of past problems with racism in the. State
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: he claims that one player, said, hey, coach we really like,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: you but my grandparents aren't letting me move To, Oxford.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: Mississippi and he says that does not come up when you,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: Say Beth Paul Rouge. Louisiana fascinating to, ME i never
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: would have even. Thought now we hear about this with With,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: utah WITH, byu WITH nba, players you, know obviously a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: Predominant African american, league saying that maybe that's not like
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: your deal fit to come to a place Like Salt Lake.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: City lack of diversity In Salt Lake city has been
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: something that quite, frankly THE nba team the colleges have
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: had to to accommodate for and have had to make
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: sure players are not worried about and maybe still are
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: losing out on some people because of that. Perception BUT
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: i never would have in a million years thought that
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: in a southern state that has obviously a very a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: very Heavy African american, population that it would that it
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: would be used in a negative recruiting light that you're In, Oxford,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: Mississippi because you, KNOW i, mean it makes sense the
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: way That Lane kiffin explains. It if it was coming
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: from anyone else Beside Lane, kiffin who's, like in my,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: opinion the ultimate shister in the college football, WORLD i
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: probably would take more at face. Value but uh feels
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: feels like a hyper convenient thing For Lane kiffen to
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: be saying that he cares ABOUT i don't, Know, yeah
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe i'm unfair To.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: Wane where was this when you seemed like happy to
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: never happy to stay In oxford for the rest of
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: your coaching, career like a year ago, basically and, like
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: where where was? IT i guess that you don't bring
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: up negative stuff when you're when you're willing to work through,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: IT i, suppose but that's it does feel like a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: Convenient hey just wanted to let everyone, know this is
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: WHY i did this super shady team shady, thing leaving
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: my college football playoff team that that had a chance
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: to win a national championship for a for a team
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: that didn't even get close to winning a national.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Championship and, look the history of racism and racial tension
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: In louisiana is equally complicated to that Of. Mississippi, Okay
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: SO i mean.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: City obviously has has had its, Problems like, ABSOLUTELY i just.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: Don't understand why there's a why somebody Like Lane kiffin
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: feels the need to justify his decisions with anything other,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: than you know, WHAT i THINK i can win a
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: higher level of football game. HERE i THINK i can
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: win championships easier. Here i've got more, support more money,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: Here it's easier to recruit. Here for every other, reason
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: you don't have to bring up this. One that is
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: like a pretty nuanced and intricate social discussion that deserves
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: hours and hours and hours of. Examination not a football
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: coach just being, like, hey guess WHAT i. Mean maybe
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: that anecdotal story is. True maybe he really did try
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: to recruit a, kid and that kid's grandparents are just,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: LIKE i don't want you going. There it feels disingenuous
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: For Lane kiffin to tell us that was a major
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: thing as to why he doesn't want to be In,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Oxford mississippi anymore compared TO, lsu which of course has
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: a more decorated championship in more recent championship. History that's
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: enough of a, justification, Coach that's.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: It did you also real quick before we, break did
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: you also see that Ole miss is taking even more
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: shots from like Like Steve sarkesian, said all you got
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: to do to get a degreed Ole miss is take basket?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: Weaving, yeah you see.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: This sarkisian was talking about transferring when he says he,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: says when students transfer To, texas they lose fifty percent
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: of their academic. Earnings they, right they their fifty percent
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: of their. Credits don't. Transfer first of, All, STEVE i
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: don't believe, you all, Right and if that were, true
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: and you're still asking students to transfer To texas and
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: lose fifty percent of their academic progress you don't care
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: about the student, athlete the student part of the student,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: Athlete so you shouldn't put that out there into the.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: World you didn't think about that, much. Coach but, yeah,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: look we know that there are plenty of schools in THE,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: sec plenty of schools in The big, twelve plenty of
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: schools around the country that it's like zero demand on
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: their student athletes from an academic.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: Standpoint And North carolina famous or infamously had they were
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: outed for having a fake for having a fake athletes.
• 1:48:27
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• 1:48:30
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• 1:48:33
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• 1:48:34
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• 1:48:35
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• 1:48:38
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• 1:48:42
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  Speaker 3: Again how are, you?
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  Speaker 12: Sir i'm, Good i'll say thank, you, MAN i appreciate.
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  Speaker 12: You how you.
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  Speaker 3: Doing i'm doing all? Right you, Know i'm excited like
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  Speaker 3: everyone else is about the goods That Utah jazz organization.
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  Speaker 12: Got.
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  Speaker 3: Hee it's hard to, describe. Right it feels like we're
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  Speaker 3: waking up out of some kind of. Hibernation everyone understood the,
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  Speaker 3: Score we all knew what this franchise had to do
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  Speaker 3: in this, rebuild and now it feels, like all, right
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  Speaker 3: we can kind of peel off this old skin and
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  Speaker 3: we can shed it like a, snake and we can
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  Speaker 3: now really hope for something good and something. New is
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  Speaker 3: that an accurate description of how the fan base is
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  Speaker 3: feeling in your?
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  Speaker 12: MIND i think it's pretty. ACCURATE i, mean we have
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  Speaker 12: a prettiest two fan base right and it's it's been
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  Speaker 12: a tough few years to be, patient BUT i think
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  Speaker 12: the patience has come because there's there's other things that have,
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  Speaker 12: developed if you, will during that rebuilding, process and it's
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  Speaker 12: it really is the, resurgence OR i guess the insurgents
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  Speaker 12: are the development of young, players the you, Know Keyante
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  Speaker 12: george's development into a star, player uh and other young
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  Speaker 12: players who are going to fill some important, roles the
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  Speaker 12: acquisition of trip Of Jaron Jackson. Junior SO i THINK
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  Speaker 12: i know our fans there there's always frustration in there during, construction,
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  Speaker 12: right but you, know when the constructions just about, complete almost,
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  Speaker 12: complete and you can get a sense of what it looks,
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  Speaker 12: like it feels like to be involved in, that it's
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  Speaker 12: it's very. Exciting so, YEAH i think you put it
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  Speaker 12: in the correct. Way BUT i truly, believe AND i
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  Speaker 12: think our fans, do and they can visualize what's coming
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  Speaker 12: really soon and the possibilities of where we could be
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  Speaker 12: this coming.
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  Speaker 3: SEASON i, MEAN i feel really good about the roster
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  Speaker 3: already even without. This now we found out the number
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  Speaker 3: two pick that is coming, in and you, know we
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  Speaker 3: don't know who that's going to be. Yet we have
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  Speaker 3: a pretty good idea of who's in the running to
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  Speaker 3: be the number two pick here in this UPCOMING nba,
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  Speaker 3: Draft and of course there's there's an extra layer of
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  Speaker 3: conversation here because one of the top prospects is a
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  Speaker 3: guy that everyone in the state knows very. Well played
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  Speaker 3: his high school ball down In Southern, utah played his
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  Speaker 3: college single season AT byu and has a relationship with
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  Speaker 3: some levels of this organization already IN aj debotsa but
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  Speaker 3: rejection is, that you, know he might be gone with
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  Speaker 3: the number one pick to The Washington. Wizards so then
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  Speaker 3: in comes the conversation, about well do you try to move?
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  Speaker 3: UP i, Will i'll try to organize my own thoughts,
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  Speaker 3: here big. Tea BUT Aj devonsa as the number one
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  Speaker 3: player in this draft Versus Darren peterson Or Cam, booser
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  Speaker 3: you've seen all of these. Guys is he the number
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  Speaker 3: one player in the draft for?
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  Speaker 12: You, well first of, all it's a great. DRAFT i,
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  Speaker 12: mean even beyond the third, pick it's a pretty deep
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  Speaker 12: draft with some really good, players and you're going to
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  Speaker 12: see players who may not be in that top, ten
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  Speaker 12: fifteen twenty who are gonna you, know surprise people and
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  Speaker 12: rise and thrive up through that, personally and part of
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  Speaker 12: that is because of you, know we're not too far
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  Speaker 12: removed from WHAT byu does in the state or any you,
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  Speaker 12: know local, school butarticular the eyes and the and the
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  Speaker 12: focus that's been on THE. Aj he's a, great great
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  Speaker 12: player in my. Opinion is he the best POTENTIALLY nba
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  Speaker 12: ready player in the draft That i've. Seen, YEAH i
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  Speaker 12: think he. IS i think he has been kind of
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  Speaker 12: groomed for it AT. BYU i think when you look
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  Speaker 12: at his usage and you look at the schemes in
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  Speaker 12: the places that were run for, him they're similarly, similar
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  Speaker 12: if not exactly like what he's going to see wherever he. Goes,
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  Speaker 12: however you, know in this, draft it really is the
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  Speaker 12: best player. Available AND i know every team's going to
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  Speaker 12: kind of say, that BUT i don't know if you.
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  Speaker 12: Can you can't really go wrong sitting where The jazz,
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  Speaker 12: are even if they don't get if they want and
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  Speaker 12: don't get a j you, Know Darren peterson's a great.
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  Speaker 12: Player he's going to be a really really good. Player
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  Speaker 12: Cam boozer as. Well it depends on what The jazz
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  Speaker 12: need and how they see whoever they're going to be
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  Speaker 12: able to select fit and will hardy. Schemes And i'm just,
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  Speaker 12: excited and you're, right even without that, PICK i would
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  Speaker 12: look it pretty. Good but with that second, PICK i,
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  Speaker 12: mean when that that lottery pick came, in IF i
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  Speaker 12: had hair be standing straight up on my, head, man
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  Speaker 12: BECAUSE i was so.
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  Speaker 3: Excited, well with, that with the roster as it is in,
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  Speaker 3: mind and the assumption that it is going to be
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  Speaker 3: one of the three players that we just talked about
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  Speaker 3: that gets added to at either one through a trade
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  Speaker 3: or at two where you already have that spot most
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  Speaker 3: likely where you end up. Picking how quickly does that
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  Speaker 3: guy that top two? Pick how quickly does he need
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  Speaker 3: to be contributing given what The Utah jazz already, HAD i,
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  Speaker 3: mean does he need to be a day one starter your?
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  Speaker 12: Mind, WELL i wouldn't put that much pressure on. Them
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  Speaker 12: And i'm saying that based on What i've Heard Will
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  Speaker 12: hardy talk about young players in the. Past that's a
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  Speaker 12: lot of, responsibility that's that's a lot to throw at
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  Speaker 12: a young, player especially. Nowadays these players are coming out like, eighteen,
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  Speaker 12: nineteen twenty years, old and the expectation is for you,
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  Speaker 12: know them to try to on the outside of the locker,
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  Speaker 12: room to try to contribute right. Away i'm not sure
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  Speaker 12: that's super. REALISTIC i, MEAN i think there there's always
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  Speaker 12: a process for these young players when they, land and
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  Speaker 12: there's so much more than the game to get a you,
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  Speaker 12: know to get used to you, know it's a new
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  Speaker 12: environment in some, ways it's a new culture you're landing.
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  Speaker 12: Into so it's just it's just a whole new. Process so,
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  Speaker 12: YEAH i don't think particular. HERE i don't think there's
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  Speaker 12: any expectations to have a guy come in and just
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  Speaker 12: try to throw him in the mix and say this
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  Speaker 12: is what you need to give us this. YEAR i
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  Speaker 12: just don't see it.
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  Speaker 3: Thorough bailey's our guest here on The sean O'Connell, show
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  Speaker 3: talking about The Utah jazz getting the number two pick
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  Speaker 3: and the UPCOMING Nba. Draft where do they go with? It,
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  Speaker 3: well a lot of people have different. Thoughts there's going
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  Speaker 3: to be, conversation partially because we've got to fill this
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  Speaker 3: next month with speculation about whether or not somebody's somebody's
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  Speaker 3: long term future with the organization should be brought into
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  Speaker 3: consideration when picking at number. Two and it's easy to, say,
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  Speaker 3: well Aj debonsa feels like he'd be more likely to
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  Speaker 3: stay than anyone else because he's already shown, that you,
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  Speaker 3: know he voluntarily spent his college year, here he spent
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  Speaker 3: his high school years In. Utah, obviously The boozer family
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  Speaker 3: has a certain familiarity and affection for this. State carlos
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  Speaker 3: helps out in the front office so maybe that's another
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  Speaker 3: reason why you could, say, well this young man is
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  Speaker 3: more likely to sign a long term extension With utah
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  Speaker 3: than like A Darren peterson who does not have any
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  Speaker 3: obvious connections to the. State is that Something i've been
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  Speaker 3: asking everyone this big. Tea is that something that the
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  Speaker 3: front office should even be weighing when they're Choosing because
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  Speaker 3: whether or not the guy wants to say long, term
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  Speaker 3: you get his first, contract you get his rookie year
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  Speaker 3: out of, him you get his first few years out of,
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  Speaker 3: him and then you obviously get to cross that bridge
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  Speaker 3: when you get to. It but is that prognostication something
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  Speaker 3: the front office should be taking into account when deciding
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  Speaker 3: who to pick at number?
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  Speaker 12: TWO i don't really see that going on in the war. Room,
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  Speaker 12: YEAH i don't really see that popping. UP i, mean
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  Speaker 12: it might be in the minds of. FOLKS i, mean
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  Speaker 12: it's probably the easiest place for people to start in their,
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  Speaker 12: minds the, proximity the relationships and all. That but the
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  Speaker 12: bottom line is you're trying to put a team together
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  Speaker 12: that can compete for a, championship you, know and take
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  Speaker 12: the steps necessary necessary to get, there which this coming
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  Speaker 12: year has to be playoff, talk, Right so, YEAH i
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  Speaker 12: just don't think it's interesting BECAUSE i think one of
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  Speaker 12: the most important parts nowadays of trying to select who
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  Speaker 12: you feel is a good fit for your team are the,
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  Speaker 12: interviews of the personal, interviews when you get a guy
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  Speaker 12: in the room and you understand how excited he is
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  Speaker 12: and know where his mind and heart is and he's
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  Speaker 12: ready to come and develop and. Contribute so, YEAH i
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  Speaker 12: just don't see those things. Playing not that it doesn't,
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  Speaker 12: happen BUT i don't see those things, playing especially where
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  Speaker 12: The jazz are sitting right now where they want to.
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  Speaker 12: Go it really, is you, know to have the second
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  Speaker 12: pick in the draft with all these great, players it
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  Speaker 12: really is going to be a time where they're going
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  Speaker 12: to focus on fit and their game and Coach Will hardy's.
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  Speaker 12: Scheme the current players who are going to be key you,
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  Speaker 12: know that that, anchor that fundamental foundation of players like
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  Speaker 12: a lowry marketing And trip and Keyante, george who you
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  Speaker 12: know are going to be have a lot of. Responsibility but,
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  Speaker 12: YEAH i DON'T i personally don't see those kind of
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  Speaker 12: things creeping into the war room when you're trying to
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  Speaker 12: establish a championship.
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  Speaker 3: Pedigree, oh what's it like being a player already on
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  Speaker 3: a roster and trying to help, integrate especially a high draft,
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  Speaker 3: pick a highly thought of draft, pick a lottery. Pick
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  Speaker 3: what's it like being a guy with a veteran, status
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  Speaker 3: with maybe some leadership qualities and a reputation already as
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  Speaker 3: an established player in the league when you get you,
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  Speaker 3: know the, young, confident maybe, brash maybe not individual who
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  Speaker 3: comes in as a number two pick and, says all,
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  Speaker 3: right Like i'm ready to do. This what's the what's
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  Speaker 3: the integration process look like for these young men and
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  Speaker 3: for their older.
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  Speaker 12: Teammates that's a great Question i'll see Because i'm going
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  Speaker 12: to step out of the veteran role and go into
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  Speaker 12: my rookie. Season WHEN i was drafted by The, JAZZ
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  Speaker 12: i was the seventh. Pick jazz had not made the. Playoffs.
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  Speaker 12: Uh and you know It's Frank, layton the, former the
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  Speaker 12: late Great Frank layton would, say you, know, people we
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  Speaker 12: were so. Bad people were calling me saying what times the?
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  Speaker 12: Game AND i, say, well what time can you be?
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  Speaker 12: There and that's how difficult it. Was so going into
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  Speaker 12: a situation like that and then landing In Salt Lake
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  Speaker 12: city and then the first couple of people that came
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  Speaker 12: up to, Me, Uh Darryl, griffith who had won a
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  Speaker 12: national championship in college LIKE i, did so we had
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  Speaker 12: that connection, already came up to me and, Said, beryl,
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  Speaker 12: LOOK i know you used to winning your, similar similar
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  Speaker 12: situations THAT i, had so don't get too hyped up
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  Speaker 12: because there's a lot of work to do for us
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  Speaker 12: to get to where we want to get. To we
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  Speaker 12: haven't done well these past. Seasons Mark eaton came and
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  Speaker 12: put his big old hand around me and, said you, know,
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  Speaker 12: welcome a lot of work to.
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  Speaker 3: Do so.
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  Speaker 12: In that, respect the similar respect the aspect of a
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  Speaker 12: team who has not won a lot in the past few,
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  Speaker 12: years the, players the veterans were. Committed they were. COMMITTED
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  Speaker 12: i mean they were committed to trying to build something
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  Speaker 12: even with the past history of you, know being at
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  Speaker 12: the bottom of the. League and SO i see the
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  Speaker 12: vets on this current team doing that and then some
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  Speaker 12: and you've got to look at the culture of this,
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  Speaker 12: team even in losing. Seasons, man it's been amazing to
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  Speaker 12: travel and watch these guys stick. Together and How Will
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  Speaker 12: hardy has had them you know, committed you, know in every.
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  Speaker 12: Huddle you, know it's about show. Love and SO i
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  Speaker 12: like the vets on this. TEAM i like it because
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  Speaker 12: they they clearly have an understanding of what's ahead of
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  Speaker 12: them and the, responsibility and so they're going to welcome
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  Speaker 12: whoever that pick is and other guys with open.
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  Speaker 3: Arms we're anticipating this, pick anticipating what next season looks
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  Speaker 3: like for The Utah, jazz while also watching the CURRENT
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: nba playoffs and seeing, like oh my, gosh look at
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  Speaker 3: how good This Oklahoma city team. Is look at how
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  Speaker 3: how talented The spurs are and they're still a young,
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  Speaker 3: team and closing that gap is upbviously a lot easier
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  Speaker 3: said than. Done but as you're watching THESE nba playoffs
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  Speaker 3: and seeing you, know the twenty twenty sixth version and
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  Speaker 3: maybe the twenty twenty seven version of the leagues and
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  Speaker 3: especially the playoffs take, shape how big is the gap
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  Speaker 3: for a full, strength not resting, anybody fully Healthy Utah
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  Speaker 3: jazz team compared to you, know the top of The.
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  Speaker 12: West, well you pick those two, teams The spurs And,
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  Speaker 12: oklahoma and say let's go back to you, know let's
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  Speaker 12: go back further than. That the twenty twenty, three twenty
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  Speaker 12: four seasons where they were trying to develop as. Well,
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  Speaker 12: Sure AND i think that's the thing that gets me
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  Speaker 12: And Jazz nason excited because great teams have great teams
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  Speaker 12: have to go through what we're going, to what we
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 12: went through to get to where they. Are and you,
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  Speaker 12: know it seems now in this league today THAT i,
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  Speaker 12: mean there's so many great, athletes but there's such a
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  Speaker 12: focus on.
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  Speaker 6: Not just.
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  Speaker 12: You, know the glue, guys the guys who need to
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  Speaker 12: be consistent every night for you to have a, chance
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  Speaker 12: but the, others you, know who committed the, defense The
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 12: Lojah hartlesses that are trying to get a spot and
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 12: you know what they're going to give you every single
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  Speaker 12: night when they go out on the. Floor SO i
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  Speaker 12: think it's exciting BECAUSE i, think, okay, see teams LIKE
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  Speaker 12: okase are kind of setting this, example this trend where
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 12: you don't need to stack your, team you, know with
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 12: three super stars if you, Will you just need you
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  Speaker 12: need a core group that can give you what you
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  Speaker 12: need every, night in particular on the defensive. End so,
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  Speaker 12: YEAH i mean those watching those teams watching the playoffs
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  Speaker 12: now and the finals really gets me excited BECAUSE i
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  Speaker 12: think it's a different era where teams are building and
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 12: teams are putting role players in place where they can,
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  Speaker 12: thrive in a place where they can. Thrive offense is,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 12: important don't get me. Wrong you need your consistent corner
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  Speaker 12: three point, Shooters you need guys who have been attack getting.
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  Speaker 12: Downhill you need rim protectors on the defensive. End but
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  Speaker 12: if you look At, okay seeing how they're, built you
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  Speaker 12: look at you've got a, Freak you've got an, anomaly
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  Speaker 12: and In San. Antonio but, YEAH i think that's the
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  Speaker 12: exciting part is that you've got some really good pieces,
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  Speaker 12: here And i'm just excited to see all those coming
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  Speaker 12: together with the work they're going to put in here
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  Speaker 12: in a few.
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  Speaker 3: Months the less glamorous side of Watching okay see dominating
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  Speaker 3: these playoffs, is you, know we just watched The lakers
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  Speaker 3: get swept out And Lebron, james who's had this incredible
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: career at forty one years of, age a sort of
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: unceremonious end to this, campaign and that you, know he
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: is self admittedly going back and he's reevaluating with his
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: family what the future looks like for. Him and there's
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: some who believe his days with The lakers are. Over
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: clearly he can still play at an incredibly high. Level
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: twenty four points and twelve rebounds in the game last.
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  Speaker 3: Night he's forty one years old and he's still averaging
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: more than twenty points a game in THE. Nba and
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: you're a guy who played into his late. Thirties lebron
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  Speaker 3: is forty one and still playing at this. Level what
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: do you think his future looks like and where do
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: you think his future could?
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 12: Be, well that's a good. QUESTION i think only he
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 12: really knows. That i'm pretty sure he's he's figured out his.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 12: TRANSITION i, mean he's set himself up for success beyond the. Game,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 12: obviously you can play as long as he wants to.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 12: PLAY i, mean the guy could play until he's forty
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 12: five if he wants. To maybe it won't be with The,
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 12: lakers but if, he you know, what desires a role
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 12: or lesser role with the. Team WHEN i say, lesser,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 12: THOUGH i don't mean that he's not. Relevant because you
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 12: just talked about his numbers at his age right, now
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 12: and any team would love to have a vet who
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 12: brings not just those, numbers but brings What lebron would
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 12: bring in his. Presence so you know who knows what
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 12: he has in. Mind whether he wants to go back To,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 12: cleveland maybe he wants, to you, know continue where he
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 12: is at a. Discount who. Knows but the guy is
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 12: just an example to every, player especially how to take
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 12: care of, yourself how to take care of your. Body it's,
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 12: you it's your main. Asset so, YEAH i think the guy.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 12: Will i'm not sure we've. SEEN i don't think he's
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 12: played his last game in the league for, sure But
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 12: I'm i'm very interested to see what his decision is
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 12: going to be going forward as.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: Well the last time we had you, on you were
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: just kind of starting out The rise Of grad. Podcast
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  Speaker 3: you were just in the early days and, now you,
• 2:09:24
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• 2:09:28
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• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: You what have you? Learned is is it what you
• 2:09:34
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• 2:09:35
  Speaker 12: Be it's been. Great oh, see thanks for asking. That
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 12: it's been really good for me BECAUSE i you, KNOW
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 12: i really understand the era we're living in right, now
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 12: and as a former professional athlete and what it took
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 12: to get. There that's kind of an ideal, world, RIGHT I,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 12: mean there's so many athletes that want to make it
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 12: to the top, level and not a lot of them.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 12: Do there's not a lot of spots. There but there's
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 12: so much to be learned on the, way on the,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 12: journey and that is with any. Profession SO i wanted
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  Speaker 12: Them it's been Fantastic and tomorrow The Lee steinberg episode
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  Speaker 12: comes out and this man has you, know he was
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 12: at the top of his game WHEN i met him years,
• 2:10:47
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• 2:10:54
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• 2:10:57
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• 2:11:21
  Speaker 12: O'Neil Fel Live golf's his episode is out right. Now
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 12: it's just a, great GREAT i think medium to be
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 12: able to, people to be able to hear these, stories
• 2:11:37
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• 2:11:43
  Speaker 12: it's been it's been great to sit down with these
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 12: folks and have that.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: Conversation i'm going to check out That Live golf episode
• 2:11:53
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• 2:11:57
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• 2:12:00
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• 2:12:04
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• 2:12:06
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• 2:12:09
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• 2:12:24
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• 2:12:27
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• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: MUCH i appreciate your time. Today thank you once again
• 2:12:32
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  Speaker 12: Us, OKAY i appreciate. It CAN i say one quick
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 12: thing because this basketball family is not that, big and
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 12: just heard about the passing of Former Grizzly Brandon clark
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 12: at twenty nine years. Old, man that's just way too.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 12: Young so my condolences go out to his. Family and you,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 12: know he made it to the top of this this.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 12: Profession it's just tough one when we started losing players like.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 12: That so my condolences go out To Brandon clark's.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: Family, yeah we certainly echo. Those, Yeah unfortunately breaking. News
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: Brandon clark only twenty nine years. Old The grizzlies and
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: his sports agency both release statements acknowledging his. Passing so
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: condolences to The clark. Family Like BIG t, says thanks, Again, thrill.
• 2:13:31
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• 2:13:37
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  Speaker 3: GOLF Ceo scott O'Neill was last week's. Guest it's a
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: very fascinating time for that. Organization they're losing The saudi.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: Money does that mean the organization is going? Away players
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: seem to be kind of jumping. Ship and Then Lee,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: STEINBERG i Bet Lee steinberg's got some stories man Super
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  Speaker 3: Am all, Right Ryan, Smith Utah jazz owner and, governor
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 3: has he's answered the question a couple of, Times hey
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: what about moving up to? Draft Aj debon said he
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't answer it in a direct yes or, no, obviously
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: but here's an interesting quote From Ryan. SMITH i think
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: the next forty days you're going to see some madness
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: in THE, nba and it might or might not be with.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: Us maybe the best thing That danny sees And austin
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: sees is just the path of just go and draft
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: the best player. Available AND i don't know how we're
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: supposed to interpret. THAT i don't know that we are
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: even supposed to interpret.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 6: That but.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: It feels as Though Ryan smith is going to be
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: working closely with his guys with The, angels and the
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: quotes go on and you can find this at The Desert.
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  Speaker 3: News the quotes go on to kind of seemingly to
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: point toward him wanting to defer to the expertise of
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: the basketball. GUYS i don't know if we should take
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: it at face. VALUE i don't know if we should
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: just trust that he hasn't developed this like this basketball
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: crush On Aj debonsa and the idea of Getting Aj
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: debonsa to come play for his professional sports franchise that
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: he owns after funding J debonce's, development either himself directly
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: or his close friends doing. It you heard my thoughts
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: on that. Yesterday there is there's always an emotional element
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: to these types of decisions and. SPORTS i, Mean i've asked, about,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: well what about what are the what are The wizards
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: going to? Do and we Asked gordy today And gordy was, like,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: man you, can't, like you can't go to your fan
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: base and say we had the number one pick and
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: we moved out of the number one pick unless there's
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: a really really good reason to move out of the
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: number one. Pick and that's What i'm talking about with
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: this emotional reaction and this emotional element to these types
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: of decisions IN nba. Basketball you don't get to tell
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: your fan, base oh, yeah we're we're going to trade
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: back to. Nine we've been waiting to get to this
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: spot for years and years and. Years how crazy does it?
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: GET i, mean we're talking about The, Wizards we're talking
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: about The, Jazz we're talking about these teams at the.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: Top is there a team at like, thirteen a team at,
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: fifteen a team at seventeen that is, like you know,
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: what let's hit the reset button right, Now let's start
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: rebuilding right, now and let's move up and get something.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: GOOD i don't know what level of craziness we're going
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: to see in THIS nba pre draft, process but The
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: jazz have never been in a better. Spot, literally they've
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: never been in a better spot in the. Draft and
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: the timing of it is also really fascinating because there's
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: not a real consensus at the top that even if
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: you're getting the second best Player i'm throwing up air
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: quotes that you can't see, now even if you're getting
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: the second best player in this, draft that he doesn't
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: end up being the best player in this. Draft When
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: victor Wen binyama was at number, one we all knew
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: That victor Wen benyama was going to be the best
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: player that came out of that. Draft, okay and even
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: if you are drafting too there you're you're getting a good,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: player but you're not Getting victor Wen. Benyama there are
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: some people who feel that way About. Ajabonsa there's some
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: people that fail that way About Caleb. Wilson there are
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: some people that feel that way about probably folks a
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: little bit further. Down the consensus is not, Necessarily oh
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: you have to get To bonsa or else you're really missing.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: Out oh you have to Get Darren peterson or else
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: you're missing. Out like all respect To Brandon miller and
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: Even Scoot henderson And i'm And, thompson these, guys they
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: were in the same draft As Victor. Wenbanyama we knew
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: when we saw that draft the number one spot going
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: To San antonio sets The spurs up in a different.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: Like we felt that, way and a lot of us
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: felt that. Way in last year's draft With Cooper flag
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: And Cooper flag was, excellent But Cooper flag wasn't even
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: like the runaway best rookie in THE nba this.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 5: Year, no, Right Conkin nipple almost, won almost stole you,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 5: know if you, will That rookie of The year award
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 5: away from.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 4: Him flag ended up getting.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 5: It but, yeah it WAS i feel like there was
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 5: there was a similar consensus last year that we just
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 5: we don't have this. Year even if right now it
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 5: feels Like AJ's the number one pick that The wizards
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 5: are going to take or whoever or whatever happens with
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 5: that number one, pick, there's like you, said there's at
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 5: least three other guys that people view as franchise changing
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 5: guys we. Have that's not the case with the last,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 5: couple you, know notable number one.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: Picks we've Had Cooper, Flag Victor, webb Min.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: Yama and by the, way if you're The Utah, jazz
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: you want it to be this. Way you don't want
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: it to be, like, gosh we have to hit on our.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: Guy we have to be in love with just this one,
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: guy even IF i think that Is Aj. Debonsa because
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: of the, history it's better for the WHOLE. Nba it's
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: better for The Utah. Jazz if this is like a
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four, draft a two thousand and three, draft
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: the twenty eighteen, draft even where you get, three four
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 3: five players out of the first round draft class that
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: end up being big, time monster level players in their.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: Careers of, course you want it to be number two
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: because that's the only guy that you're. Drafting but the
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: fact that you're not dependent wholly dependent on that number
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: one pick because of how deep the draft class is.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: THIS i, mean even if The Utah jazz finds something,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 3: out like we all have in our mind, now it's
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: EITHER aj or It's Darren. Peterson maybe a physical comes,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: back maybe something comes, back and it's just, like, sorry you.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: Can't washington Takes Aj devonsa And Darren peterson's got a
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: kidney problem that is making this cramping thing an, issue
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: and so it's not the right move to draft. Him
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: in another, year you might just be, like, crap we're.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: Screwed well in this, YEAR i think you, Go, okay
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: then we're Picking Cam boozer and we probably feel good
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: about that, Too or we're Picking Caleb, wilson we probably
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: feel really good about that. TOO I, mean there's a
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 3: reason why every picture you see Of Ryan, smith for
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: the next forty days is just gonna be him with
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: a big old you know what type of grint on his,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: face just, Like, Yeah i've got AN nhl playoff, team
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: and i got AN nba team that's getting the number
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 3: two pick and should be back to the playoffs tooner than,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: later AND i got a fan base that is just
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: starving for both of them to be great in the same, building,
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: which by the, way is being rebuilt and redesigned as we.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 5: Speak did you see the pictures that he posted on
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 5: His twitter and other social media of the there's like
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 5: a hole in the upper bowl where the seat with
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 5: this seating where seating used to be as they're as
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 5: they're renovating. That that looks.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: Wild did you see all the conversation On like apparently
• 2:22:13
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• 2:22:16
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• 2:22:20
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• 2:22:22
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• 2:22:30
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• 2:22:33
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• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: apparently some people never grow out of, that and they
• 2:22:40
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• 2:22:42
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• 2:23:30
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  Speaker 3: Show James peterson And Spence check its in Our broadway
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  Speaker 7: Spence, sean we miss, you. Buddy how you.
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  Speaker 3: Location, YES i have been sequestered from the super, fans
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  Speaker 3: people who just won't leave you alone because you're too,
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  Speaker 3: i can't tell the truth on.
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  Speaker 14: Air, well As i've listened to you over the past two,
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  Speaker 14: days you do sound like you're at a very secret
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  Speaker 14: cav type remote. Location just want to make sure that
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  Speaker 14: you are, alive awake and.
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  Speaker 3: Alert, yes doing? Great?
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  Speaker 7: Good that a boy.
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  Speaker 3: We were we were talking about on the show. Today
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  Speaker 3: we were talking about a little bit more about this this,
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  Speaker 3: draft this number two pick overall that The Utah jazz
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  Speaker 3: are going to, use and we're talking about you know
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  Speaker 3: the possibility Of Darren, peterson Of Aja, bonsa of a cam.
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  Speaker 3: Boozer all the questions are already being asked, about, Like,
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  Speaker 3: hey do you Love Ajda bonce enough to move?
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  Speaker 7: Up?
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  Speaker 3: Hey does it matter If Darren peterson doesn't Like utah
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  Speaker 3: and wouldn't want to re sign With? Utah and the
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  Speaker 3: every every actual basketball person That i've asked about that is, like,
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  Speaker 3: dude you just try to get the best player to
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  Speaker 3: add to your team right, now and you cross that
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  Speaker 3: bridge when you get to. It and and fans we
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  Speaker 3: get to worry about things that we think are going
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  Speaker 3: to happen four and five years down the. Line nobody
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  Speaker 3: in this jazz organization has the luxury EXCEPT i Guess Ryan,
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  Speaker 3: smith of worrying about things four and five years down the.
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  Speaker 3: Line you've got to play for your, Future you've got
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  Speaker 3: to trade for your. Future you got a draft for
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  Speaker 3: your future in the short. Term in pretty much every.
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  Speaker 14: Case, Yeah AND i Think ryan's an interesting wild card
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  Speaker 14: here because it's been. Interesting AND i always say, this
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  Speaker 14: listen to the beat. Writers they're on the ground. Locally
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  Speaker 14: listen to the people to cover your team. Locally because
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  Speaker 14: the national narrative now that the draft lottery is. Set
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  Speaker 14: i'm listening to a lot of NATIONAL nba guys who
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  Speaker 14: are all convinced That ryan has had this plan to
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  Speaker 14: Get Aj debonsa to The Utah jazz SINCE aj was
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  Speaker 14: like fifteen years.
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  Speaker 7: Old, like they're all convinced that this has been going
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  Speaker 7: on for a number of.
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  Speaker 14: Years you, Know aj of course moving from The East
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  Speaker 14: coast to play his high school ball here and then
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  Speaker 14: landing AT Buyu and you, know so the national narrative
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  Speaker 14: right now seems to be The jazz are going to
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  Speaker 14: do everything they can to GET. Aj that's all find
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  Speaker 14: and good If washington holds all the, cards if they
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  Speaker 14: just simply, believe like we've done our, work our calculation
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  Speaker 14: is That aj is the.
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  Speaker 7: Guy they're just going to TAKE. Aj so where it
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  Speaker 7: gets interesting.
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  Speaker 14: Is you, know do The jazz believe that there's a
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  Speaker 14: gap BETWEEN aj And Darren Peterson because a lot of people.
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  Speaker 14: Don't and there have been a lot of people that
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  Speaker 14: come out of the woodworks over the past couple of
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  Speaker 14: days to kind of reignite the Whole darren's the best
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  Speaker 14: prospect in this, draft Not. Aj you, KNOW i talked
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  Speaker 14: about this yesterday from AN nba scouting, perspective college tape is.
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  Speaker 7: Additive it's not.
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  Speaker 14: Conclusion you don't make a conclusion off of one year
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  Speaker 14: in college when you've been watching these kids since they
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  Speaker 14: were fourteen or fifteen PLAY aau ball in summer tournaments
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  Speaker 14: and playing against each other with the ability to play
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  Speaker 14: on the same circuit regardless of what state you lived.
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  Speaker 7: In once upon a, time that wasn't a.
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  Speaker 14: Thing we also have The internet, now and there's a
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  Speaker 14: compelling case to be made that if you watch tape
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  Speaker 14: on all of them over the course of four or five,
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  Speaker 14: years That Darren peterson's tape when he's been right and,
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  Speaker 14: healthy is much better than, anyone's INCLUDING. Aj so if
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  Speaker 14: you're The, jazz even though there's this whole side narrative
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  Speaker 14: that many people in the league Believe ryan's got about
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  Speaker 14: his business to GET aj to The jazz for, years
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  Speaker 14: if you put that aside and, say, look we don't
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  Speaker 14: really have a. Choice If washington simply wants to take,
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  Speaker 14: him and if the gap isn't that big BETWEEN aj And,
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  Speaker 14: darren we'll just Take darren and we're. Fine because if
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  Speaker 14: you do WANT, aj and you have to move up
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  Speaker 14: a spot to.
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  Speaker 7: Get, him Because washington's gonna grab.
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  Speaker 14: Him washington has the ability to do To Danny ainge
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  Speaker 14: What Danny ainge usually does to everybody, else and that's
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  Speaker 14: completely asked for everything and not settle for anything. Less
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  Speaker 14: so one scenario that's been floated out there is last
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  Speaker 14: year during The droft. Process AND i don't know how
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  Speaker 14: much of this is true Because Ace bailey essentially fired
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  Speaker 14: the agent that was telling everybody That ace Wanted, Washington
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  Speaker 14: SO i don't know if that's real or If ace
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  Speaker 14: really wanted to end up In. Washington but if that's
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  Speaker 14: still something that's out, there if you're The, jazz are
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  Speaker 14: you willing to Move Ace bailey and the number two
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  Speaker 14: pick for number one pick and Like Bleel kolabali or
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  Speaker 14: something like, that you, know and then are you sacrificing
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  Speaker 14: a year of developing a kid WHO i think has
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  Speaker 14: a chance to be really. Good and if that's the,
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  Speaker 14: deal then just Grab darren put him next To, Ace and,
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  Speaker 14: honestly that might be when the clock. Begins the New
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  Speaker 14: jazz time frame could very well land With Ace bailey
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  Speaker 14: And Darren peterson at nineteen twenty years, old because marketing
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  Speaker 14: is going to be twenty nine, right and you want him.
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  Speaker 14: Around but in a couple of, years When ace And
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  Speaker 14: darren are finally starting to develop into fully baked DOWN a,
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  Speaker 14: players it's going to be Past lowry's.
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  Speaker 3: Prime, well it's interesting Because lowry's prime to me feels
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  Speaker 3: like the fourth most important thing in these. Discussions, Now
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  Speaker 3: like When lowry was definitively in his, prime decisions were
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  Speaker 3: made by the organization to not try to capitalize on
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  Speaker 3: his prime and to tank. Instead. Yep, so and part
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  Speaker 3: of that was the conversation of, like, Look Lowery marketing
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  Speaker 3: is an awesome, player but he's not a number one
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  Speaker 3: on a contending. Team and people around the league were, like,
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  Speaker 3: yeah we Want lowry trade him to us because we
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  Speaker 3: want him to be our number three In Golden state or.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever and SO i, think you, KNOW i Love Lowry
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  Speaker 3: marketing and he's a massively important player for this, organization
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  Speaker 3: but the timeline you're referring to is absolutely a shift
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  Speaker 3: away from him being the. Priority and how do you
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  Speaker 3: capitalize on the youth Of Keyante george who's come a long,
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  Speaker 3: way the youth Of Ase bailey if they keep, him
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  Speaker 3: the use Of Darren peterson or Aj debonsa or, whatever
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  Speaker 3: And lowry's role in every one of those scenarios is
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  Speaker 3: as sort of the veteran elder statesman but not supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be the best player on those.
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  Speaker 14: Teams, yeah well, Said and in a way you kind
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  Speaker 14: of feel bad for, him other than the fact that
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  Speaker 14: he's a maximumy, player.
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  Speaker 7: RIGHT i, mean he's doing just. Fine but the probably.
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  Speaker 14: The best two or three years of Peak Lowry marketing
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  Speaker 14: were the past two or three, years AND i think
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  Speaker 14: he's missed one hundred and four games in the last three.
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  Speaker 14: Years like we may have forgotten how good he. Is but,
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  Speaker 14: ultimately you know what the ceiling may look like for
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  Speaker 14: A Lowry marketing or A Jaron Jackson.
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  Speaker 7: Junior probably the two best players on this.
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  Speaker 14: Roster you, know every year prior to the start of the,
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  Speaker 14: season The, athletic The, RINGER, espn they all do like
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  Speaker 14: their top one HUNDRED nba players or. So and my
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  Speaker 14: guess would be this COMING nba, Season marketing And Jaron
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  Speaker 14: Jackson junior will be between twenty and twenty five or,
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  Speaker 14: six which is.
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  Speaker 7: Fine they're both really.
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  Speaker 14: Good but the one thing you don't have on the
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  Speaker 14: roster right now is the one thing that's the hardest to.
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  Speaker 14: Find but the one thing you need to win a,
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  Speaker 14: trophy and that's a top, ten top fifteen. Guy do
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  Speaker 14: you Think ace can eventually be? That most people believe
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  Speaker 14: aj Or darren could eventually be. That so if you
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  Speaker 14: do start the clock, over If austin And Danny ainge have,
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  Speaker 14: decided like we think With ace And Darren peterson to
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  Speaker 14: two Or Cameron BOOZER i, mean Or, AJA i, mean
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  Speaker 14: they're all around the same, age we think our timeline
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  Speaker 14: starts now with, them and we think we're going to
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  Speaker 14: be good enough With marketing And Jaron Jackson junior to
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  Speaker 14: give these young players a taste of what it's like
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  Speaker 14: to compete at a high, level maybe make the, playoffs
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  Speaker 14: maybe make the play in have a little bit of.
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  Speaker 14: Experience and then by the Time lowry is reaching the
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  Speaker 14: end of his, deal and we continue to be creative
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  Speaker 14: with the additions of, talent With minnesota's pick still out,
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  Speaker 14: There cleveland's pick still out, there and the ability to
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  Speaker 14: maybe grab some more young pieces and Maybe kyante continues to.
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  Speaker 14: Grow and, suddenly As marketing is kind of on the way,
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  Speaker 14: out does that change Where Oklahoma city is at that
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  Speaker 14: time as? Well because they'll have some financial decisions to.
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  Speaker 14: Make the problem you have Is San. Antonio you, KNOW
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  Speaker 14: i don't know what you can do to get, there but,
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  Speaker 14: look all you want to do is give yourself a, shot,
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  Speaker 14: right and so you, know maybe you can develop these
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  Speaker 14: young players and then three or four years you have
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  Speaker 14: a top four seed in THE nba, playoffs your home
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  Speaker 14: playoff team and maybe Wemban Yama sprain's an. Ankle you,
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  Speaker 14: Know it's like When toronto won the championship and they Had, kawhi,
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  Speaker 14: sure But Golden state Lost, Durant steph And clay they
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  Speaker 14: all got hurt And toronto hung a.
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  Speaker 7: Banner so is there a scenario like that in?
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  Speaker 14: Play but the more and MORE i kind of dig into,
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  Speaker 14: this the more and MORE i wonder If danny And
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  Speaker 14: austin And xanik and everyone over there is starting to,
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  Speaker 14: believe like, no now that we lucked into this top
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  Speaker 14: two pick and that we think we've got A gem And.
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  Speaker 14: Ace are we starting the clock with them as opposed
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  Speaker 14: to believing over the next three or four years With
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  Speaker 14: market and still on the roster that we have a
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  Speaker 14: chance to win a.
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  Speaker 7: Championship Because i'm not sure they.
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  Speaker 3: Do by the, Way Walker kessler is the answer To
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  Speaker 3: Victor Women. Yama just so you, know that'll, he'll, he'll
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  Speaker 3: he'll reject every shot That victor womenyaw ever.
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  Speaker 14: TAKES i like the confidence you could do, worse you
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  Speaker 14: could do worse Than, Walker but at this point you'd
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  Speaker 14: have to have lowry standing On walker's, SHOULDERS i think
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  Speaker 14: to make to make that, happen.
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  Speaker 3: The old Classic Little rascals bit just, ridiculous, perfect just.
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous all, right stay tuned For The drive With spence Check.
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