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- 0:15Fishing pressure does not disappear, it just shifts.
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- 0:30This is what happened.
- 0:32In February, 2026, the White House released an executive action entitled Unleashing American Commercial Fishing in the Atlantic, signaling a push to expand commercial fishing
- 0:44accent.
- 0:51Fishing pressure doesn't disappear, it just shifts.
- 0:58This is the How to Protect the Ocean podcast and if you care about staying informed on the ocean every weekday, hit the follow button right now so you don't miss tomorrow's story.
- 1:06All right, here's what happened.
- 1:08In February, 2026, the White House released an executive action titled Unleash an American Commercial Fishing in the Atlantic.
- 1:17It signals a push to expand commercial fishing access
- 1:21in federal Atlantic waters.
- 1:22So, the nine nautical mile mark of the state waters up to about 200 nautical miles off the coastline for the exclusive economic zone.
- 1:33So, the policy uh frames the expanded fishing as an economic and food security opportunity, trying to bring food prices down and help the economy.
- 1:43In a related legal opinion in the US department or in a...
- 1:48Let's start to head over again because I messed up the words.
- 1:51a related legal opinion from the US Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel, it outlines federal authority over offshore resource management and clarifies executive power
- 2:05in ocean governance.
- 2:06Now, this is something, this statement is something that I didn't read properly, is something that is going to be crucial going forward with this Trump administration.
- 2:18because it's starting to say, you know what?
- 2:21We don't care what the science of fishery say.
- 2:24We don't care what is considered sustainable fishing.
- 2:26We are just going to max out because that's what this administration wants to do.
- 2:31It wants to drill baby drill.
- 2:33It wants to mine the deep sea.
- 2:35It wants to open up parks for resource extraction, like minerals and oil.
- 2:43Everything is being pushed to the max because they want to maximize everything
- 2:48except for renewable energy.
- 2:50That's what this Trump administration seems to be all about.
- 2:53And this opinion, this legal opinion from the the US Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel, basically saying, hey, we're going to say federal authority is going over
- 3:04offshore resource management and clarifies executive power in ocean governance.
- 3:09So this move places political momentum directly alongside existing science based fisheries management frameworks.
- 3:17So it doesn't matter what the fisheries science says.
- 3:20It's basically saying, hey, you know what, if we decide as a political party or as a government to say, you know what, we're just gonna fish this anyway, we're just gonna open
- 3:28up the Atlantic, that's what we're gonna do.
- 3:31So here's how fisheries, the US fisheries is managed normally.
- 3:35So the US uses stock assessments to determine population health.
- 3:38So it will sample a commercial fishery, it'll go through the scientific method, and it'll say this is where
- 3:45the population is at.
- 3:46This is how many individuals there are, this is how much biomass they have.
- 3:49And to say, okay, what are the trends over the last couple of decades, or since ever they've started these stock assessments, it's long term data, and they'll start to look at
- 4:00that data and they'll start to look at the trends.
- 4:01Has the population gone up, has it gone down, has it stayed still?
- 4:04And then there's all these management actions, I don't know why my voice cracked there, but there's all these management actions that happen as this is done.
- 4:12Right?
- 4:12And so if the population goes down enough, if it's steep enough, then there'll be management actions where there will be uh actions where, you know, you take the quota down
- 4:22and you move the quota so it goes down so you can't catch as many fish.
- 4:25Or they may not fish for that species in this particular season, or they may shorten that season.
- 4:30There's all these different actions that they can do as NOAA, as managers of this resource.
- 4:35So annual catch limits can change.
- 4:37They're set based on scientific advice.
- 4:39Rebuilding plans are required for over fish stock.
- 4:42So if the stock continues to go down and go down and go down in number in biomass, it might be considered over fish.
- 4:48It might be considered critically endangered and go on the endangered species list.
- 4:52All these trigger these actions to be taken.
- 4:56So when there's rebuilding plans, basically saying that this population is going down, say cod, it's gone down.
- 5:02We got to have a rebuilding plan to make sure that this gets up.
- 5:06And when it does get up, we will take different actions.
- 5:09So there's always, and usually includes monitoring a little bit more, some research, and to just to kind of figure out what's happening.
- 5:15Is it just being overfished or are there other things like climate change or is there other things that are going on in that area, like maybe something else has been fished
- 5:25that's affecting like the prey, that's affecting the prey of that area.
- 5:29So like it just, it depends on what it is.
- 5:31It could be marine pollution.
- 5:32It could be a lot of different things.
- 5:33So then they'll have like a regional fishery management councils, like in all these different areas in the regions.
- 5:39And then they incorporate the science and stakeholder input.
- 5:42So not only is science taken, right?
- 5:44Science taken is done.
- 5:45And then all these other inputs from fishing communities, from unions, from uh other users of the ocean, whether it be recreational, whether it be industrial, they all get together
- 5:55and they have these meetings and then they bang out a plan.
- 5:58And that plan is kind of set for the year, for the season, for the next five years, for the next three years, depending on the region, depending on what they're looking at.
- 6:06So NOAA maintains that the US fisheries are among the most sustainably managed globally, with many even previously over fish stocks rebuilt under science-driven quotas.
- 6:17Now lot of them have seen that rebuild happen, and it's a lot of times due to the Magnuson-Stevenson Act, which is an act that Republicans put in place back in the 70s.
- 6:26They also put in the Marine Mammal Protection Act, they put in the Endangered Species Act.
- 6:30All these have helped rebuild
- 6:32stocks of fish as well as individual species like great white sharks and other places and marine mammals and stuff.
- 6:39So all these have helped.
- 6:41All these little, these acts, these policies, I shouldn't say little, these big policies, these written words that go into law and have been followed over the years and enforced
- 6:49over the years and managed properly over the years have helped rebuild these fisheries even though they're probably not perfect and they're probably not exactly sustainably
- 6:58managed, they're probably one of the best managed fisheries in the world, some of them.
- 7:02Not all of them, but some of them.
- 7:03And that could probably be argued just in its own worth, because I haven't seen the exact data.
- 7:07I'm just kind of assuming.
- 7:10But we have the data.
- 7:11We use science to drive the policy.
- 7:13The policy puts it in place, and then we have managers and regional councils and all the fisheries management councils and everything to really go in to put together.
- 7:22Now here is what we're looking at globally.
- 7:25oh So from the state of the world fisheries and aquaculture, more than one third of assessed global fish stocks
- 7:31are overfished, so they're in trouble.
- 7:34Overcapacity and public pressure remain key drivers in the depletion worldwide.
- 7:39The science will show the trends, and they're right, the science is right, they'll see the trends, they'll identify the problems that these stocks are having, whether they're
- 7:49overfished, whether they're on a downward trend, whether they're on an upward trend for the rebuilding.
- 7:54But then what happens is politics and stakeholders get together and they decide, hey, you know what?
- 7:59We actually want to fish more because the economy is not doing so well this year.
- 8:03So we're actually going to fish more, even though we know that if we fish more, we're going to make that population even worse.
- 8:10We understand that and we're ready to take that into play.
- 8:13Not the greatest, but they're ready to take that into play.
- 8:16And so that happens a lot.
- 8:18A great example of that is Fishing Down the Line.
- 8:21I believe is the end of the line is the movie that we saw in the 90s.
- 8:25It was narrated by Ted Danson.
- 8:26I think it was sponsored by Oceana.
- 8:28They looked at
- 8:30fisheries in the US, tuna fisheries, and sorry, in Europe.
- 8:34They looked at tuna fisheries in Europe and they started to look at, here's what, you the science says that you are allowed to take 30,000 tons of tuna.
- 8:44Okay, great, that's what the science says.
- 8:45If you do this, it'll be sustainably managed.
- 8:48Right away, the decision makers are like, we're gonna double that because we know that the stocks, like the stakeholders are not gonna like that.
- 8:55So we're gonna double that to 60,000.
- 8:57So they're actually, you know,
- 8:59two times the catch limit they're allowing to fish.
- 9:03So they do that and then after those meetings it got upped again to like 90,000 or 100,000 tons.
- 9:09Almost three times as much as it was originally said to be sustainably caught.
- 9:12This is what happens a lot of times and it depends on a lot of world factors.
- 9:17But where science-based limits are ignored or weakened, the stock starts to decline.
- 9:20It follows, we see this every single time.
- 9:24You listen to the science, you'll get it.
- 9:25It doesn't always fit the narrative that we want.
- 9:29If we see a declining fishery stock and the economy is not doing that great, or the fisheries are having trouble, or inflation moves upwards and it's more expensive to
- 9:39maintain the boat, so people need more fish, well, it becomes a difficult situation.
- 9:43It's not easy.
- 9:44We want to look out for fishery in communities.
- 9:46We want to look out for fishers.
- 9:48And a lot of times it's the artisanal fishers, the smaller scale fishers that actually pay the price.
- 9:54Right?
- 9:55We need to ensure that those are protected, but there's a lot of stuff that goes on.
- 9:59Industrial fishing usually wins out because they have the money and they tend to get to the politicians that want this stuff happen.
- 10:06So this matters because policy shifts do not occur in isolation.
- 10:10Fishing fleets are mobile, markets are global, and pressure often relocates rather than disappears.
- 10:17So sometimes we see illegal fisheries happen that affects how regularly fishing is managed.
- 10:23And it's not fair to the fishers who fish regularly, but they may have to have lower uh quotas because of the illegal fishers.
- 10:31So it's not really that great.
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- 10:41weekday morning.
- 10:44Now here's the tension around all of this stuff.
- 10:46The economic expansion increases the effort.
- 10:50The number of vessels
- 10:51and access areas.
- 10:52So more people are fishing, more boats are fishing, they're fishing for longer, and the access increases.
- 10:59So you're having less special places protected.
- 11:04Right, there's even a meeting or public period to reduce the, uh I believe it's a marine monument, the C-mounts, the canyons and C-mounts marine monument along the East Coast so
- 11:15that we can increase fishing pressure.
- 11:18So scientific quota systems only work when the political actors respect the stock limits.
- 11:23This is not the case in the US right now.
- 11:26They're just saying, hey, you know what, you guys wanna fish more?
- 11:28You can go ahead and fish more.
- 11:31Don't worry about the catch limits, don't worry about this, you'll get access to areas and all that kind of stuff.
- 11:35Just fish more.
- 11:37It's irresponsible.
- 11:39And of course legal authority clarifies power, but science determines sustainability.
- 11:43So no matter what you say, in terms of like, this is what I'm gonna fish now, no matter what you say, the stock is still gonna decline.
- 11:51And eventually, your stock is gonna be over fish and you can't fish it anymore because it's not gonna be worth it.
- 11:56It's gonna be too expensive for fishers to do it.
- 11:58It's not going to be big enough for the effort, right?
- 12:01The actual biomass is going to go down and the number are going to go down.
- 12:05So if access expands faster than the assessments adapt, right?
- 12:10Than these stock assessments adapt, risk will increase of actually overfishing that species.
- 12:16So when the economic policy accelerates fishing access, how do we ensure stock limits remain science driven?
- 12:25This is the big problem that we're seeing.
- 12:28And I'd love to hear your answer on this because well managed fisheries can deliver food security and economic stability no matter how big the access area is.
- 12:36If you manage it properly, set the proper quotas, make sure that there's enough boats out there to sustainably fish, you will get the maximum economic yield.
- 12:45It just may not be what you expect, but just because we don't believe the science doesn't mean we're not gonna affect the actual fish stock.
- 12:54Right, that's just really what it comes down to.
- 12:57Politically accelerated access without scientific guardrails can reverse rebuilding gains.
- 13:03All the rebuilding that we've done, if you just start to openly say, hey, fish as much as you want, you're going to reduce all of that effort and all the sacrifices that the
- 13:12fishing community and others have made in the past all in one swoop.
- 13:17It doesn't take much to overfish.
- 13:20And sustainable management is not automatic.
- 13:23It requires constant enforcement and independent science.
- 13:27That's what it really does.
- 13:28That's what it comes down to.
- 13:29Fishing pressure does not disappear.
- 13:31It shifts.
- 13:33The question is whether it shifts within sustainable limits or beyond them.
- 13:39That's the episode for today.
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