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9/16/26: Frmr Pentagon Official, Houthis Shoot Down Jet · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.
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  Speaker 4: So earlier this year, the House of Representatives passed what's
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  Speaker 4: called Section 219, which would effectively create a new office
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  Speaker 4: that would merge the U.S. military and Israeli military kind
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  Speaker 4: of research, defense, industrial, base, and technology so that you
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  Speaker 4: further fuse what is already a pretty tight cooperation. Now,
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  Speaker 4: over in the Senate, the NDAA is headed through that chamber.
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  Speaker 4: It has to pass some point over the next several
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  Speaker 4: weeks or months. And so there's a live debate over
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  Speaker 4: whether or not that fusing of the two militaries is
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  Speaker 4: going to take place. Now, one of the main arguments
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  Speaker 4: that defenders of the bill make is that this is
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  Speaker 4: actually America first because it is a huge benefit to
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  Speaker 4: the United States to partner with the Israeli military, which
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  Speaker 4: is one of the most innovative in the world.
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  Speaker 5: That is the argument.
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  Speaker 4: Two of the programs that are actually held up as
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  Speaker 4: central to that argument are known as the Arrow Missile
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  Speaker 4: Defense Program and also Iron Beam. Iron Beam in particular
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  Speaker 4: really gets people's attention because it is this new laser
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  Speaker 4: technology that Israel says that it developed to be able
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  Speaker 4: to knock missiles out of the sky. That, to anybody
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  Speaker 4: in Washington, is going to sound extraordinarily impressive.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Laser warfare. Amazing.
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  Speaker 4: And so Murtaza Hussain and I, over, you can put
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  Speaker 4: this element up on the screen, over at Dropside News,
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  Speaker 4: looked very closely at these two programs, how they were funded,
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  Speaker 4: who came up with the ideas behind them, kind of
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  Speaker 4: who drove them to completion, and you find a completely
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  Speaker 4: different story than the one that is told publicly effectively.
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  Speaker 4: You find that United States taxpayers, United States companies, United
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  Speaker 4: States universities, were behind nearly all of the breakthroughs that
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  Speaker 4: led to these, while it is Israel that maintains, you know,
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  Speaker 4: significant control over the IP.
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  Speaker 5: Why is that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you have, we have a thing called Congress, and
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  Speaker 4: Congress insists that that be the case. We talked to
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  Speaker 4: a number of Pentagon officials who were involved in these
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  Speaker 4: projects throughout their development. One of them is David Pine,
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  Speaker 4: and he's joining us now to walk us through more
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  Speaker 4: of this.
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  Speaker 5: David, thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me on. It's an honor
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  Speaker 6: to be on the show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you got it.
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  Speaker 4: And so David is a former Pentagon official who worked
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  Speaker 4: on the Arrow 2 program, a veteran. You were a
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  Speaker 4: former top National Security Aid for Representative Mike Lee. You
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  Speaker 4: currently are the Deputy Executive Director of the U.S.
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  Speaker 5: Task Force on National and Homeland Security.
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to the Arrow 2 program in particular, though,
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  Speaker 4: can you walk us through a little bit about what
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  Speaker 4: your involvement was in that program?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I was serving as international programs manager on
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  Speaker 7: the Army Headquarters staff in charge of all R & D,
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  Speaker 7: armaments cooperation with the Middle East, the former Soviet Union,
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  Speaker 7: Eastern Europe, Africa, the Americas. So I had a pretty
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  Speaker 7: wide portfolio, but I was involved in signing a memorandum
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  Speaker 7: of understanding in Tel Aviv, along with other DoD officials
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  Speaker 7: on the RO2 program. And what struck me as unusual,
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  Speaker 7: at least up to that point, was that essentially we
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  Speaker 7: fully funded the program through not only just direct U.S. contributions,
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  Speaker 7: but for military financing, which is essentially U.S. taxpayer aid
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  Speaker 7: to a country, in this case Israel, which was about
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  Speaker 7: $ 3 billion a year at the time. So it was 100%
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  Speaker 7: funded by the U.S., but we were barred– in the
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  Speaker 7: agreement from using the full technology in our own missile
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  Speaker 7: defense system. And missile defense has always been a passion
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  Speaker 7: of mine. I was very pleased to see George W.
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  Speaker 7: Bush get us out of the ABM Treaty earlier that year.
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  Speaker 7: So it was really a focus of the United States,
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  Speaker 7: of U.S. national security. And yet, and we were paying
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  Speaker 7: all this money, billions of dollars over a period of
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  Speaker 7: 40 years now, for the aero missile defense program and
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  Speaker 7: we've never been allowed to fully utilize it. We've been
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  Speaker 7: able to utilize test data and that type of stuff,
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  Speaker 7: but not the actual sensitive design system.
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  Speaker 5: How does something like that even work?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, eventually Boeing ended up making component parts for
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  Speaker 4: the Aero 2.
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  Speaker 5: And so there's that U.S. involvement, but how does it
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  Speaker 5: work that the U.S.
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  Speaker 4: Will have its own people involved with it, but What
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  Speaker 4: does it mean to not have access to the technology?
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  Speaker 4: And what did you argue for in your negotiations with
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  Speaker 4: the Israeli government?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I was just serving as a relatively low level
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  Speaker 7: GS 14, uh, you know, level official. So I really
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  Speaker 7: didn't have the opportunity to do a lot of arguing, uh, in,
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  Speaker 7: in favor of what I thought was best for America.
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  Speaker 6: And that at that time.
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  Speaker 7: But, um, yeah, it, uh, You know, I would think that,
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  Speaker 7: you know, given that we fully funded the program, we
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  Speaker 7: should have had full access to that. Israel, of course,
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  Speaker 7: is a very secretive country. It's essentially a garrison state.
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  Speaker 6: I was there. I was just kind of surprised to
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  Speaker 6: see how many soldiers there were.
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  Speaker 7: You know, nearly half of them are women, young women
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  Speaker 7: that serve in And it's just a different society. It's
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  Speaker 7: relatively closed off. Obviously, there are democratic elections, but it's
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  Speaker 7: essentially an apartheid state. But it's a country that, you know,
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  Speaker 7: talk about putting your own country first. Israel, you know,
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  Speaker 7: the one thing Israel does amazingly well is they put
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  Speaker 7: their country first. And that's something I'd love to see
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  Speaker 7: here in America. You know, we've been putting America last, sadly,
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  Speaker 7: under President Trump for decades.
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  Speaker 6: Probably the last year or more.
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  Speaker 7: But it's something that shouldn't have happened. But Israel has
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  Speaker 7: been deemed a critical security threat in terms of intelligence.
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  Speaker 7: They've been stealing our technology for many years. And now
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  Speaker 7: with Section 219.
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  Speaker 6: They won't need to steal it anymore because we're going
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  Speaker 6: to give it to them for free.
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  Speaker 8: And It's interesting because a lot of the people who
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  Speaker 8: are very pro-Israel, pro the American alliance with Israel, are
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  Speaker 8: also hawks on China, who will be warning until they're
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  Speaker 8: blue in the face about China stealing technology. From your perspective,
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  Speaker 8: is this a giveaway to China and other potential non-allied
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  Speaker 8: countries who could end up with some of this technology
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  Speaker 8: and the know-how from some of this technology in their
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  Speaker 8: own arsenals?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think that's a very valid concern.
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  Speaker 7: If Israel had their own way, they'd be selling probably
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  Speaker 7: all of the advanced U.S. military technology we give them.
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  Speaker 7: They had a record of doing that on multiple occasions
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  Speaker 7: up through 2000. The last time we know of an
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  Speaker 7: open source that they attempted to do so was in 2008,
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  Speaker 7: but they were dissuaded from doing so by President Bush,
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  Speaker 7: who pressure the Israelis not to make the technology sales
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  Speaker 7: to China. But we know just in there, in terms
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  Speaker 7: of F-16 technology, they sold that to China in the
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  Speaker 7: 80s and 90s. I think it was the Israeli lobby fighter,
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  Speaker 7: which is essentially a development, the Israeli version of the F-16.
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  Speaker 7: And that was weaponized by the Chinese with their J-10 fighters.
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  Speaker 7: So That's just an example of what they could do.
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  Speaker 7: And so it's always been a major concern of mine
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  Speaker 7: that they could share our missile defense technology with China
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  Speaker 7: as well.
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  Speaker 4: And we spoke with another contractor who worked in that
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  Speaker 4: joint office who said that when it was on their desk,
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  Speaker 4: they would slow walk it as much as possible because
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  Speaker 4: they were constantly being told by the intelligence community that
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  Speaker 4: this was illegal. inappropriate and that Israel was too much
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  Speaker 4: of a security risk because of particularly its relationship with
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  Speaker 4: the Chinese. The person said, let me quote, we had
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  Speaker 4: tons of intelligence to justify not sharing the information with Israel,
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  Speaker 4: but we were under pressure from Congress to figure it
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  Speaker 4: out and transfer the IP to Israel, said the contractor.
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  Speaker 4: No matter how much evidence the intelligence community produced, The
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  Speaker 4: response we received from DOD leadership was that it's congressionally mandated. Therefore,
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  Speaker 4: we have to execute on the program. Can you talk
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  Speaker 4: about that? Does that match with your experience? And what
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  Speaker 4: is the role that Congress plays in putting pressure on
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  Speaker 4: the DOD here?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, in my position, I had to sign off on
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  Speaker 7: exceptions to national disclosure policy for a number of countries.
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  Speaker 7: But I found out that hard way that every time I,
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  Speaker 7: you know, decided to go against one of those exceptions
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  Speaker 7: that I was pressured into signing off on it because
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  Speaker 7: it was, you know, the White House that was behind it.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't just with Israel. There were other countries that
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  Speaker 7: I was concerned about that I thought were too much
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  Speaker 7: supportive of Islamists. And every time that I tried to
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  Speaker 7: make an exception, tried to disagree with an exception, I
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  Speaker 7: was pressured into signing off on it. So I feel
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  Speaker 7: like that pressure certainly existed with Israel, which, of course,
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  Speaker 7: we're told constantly is our best ally in the world, essentially.
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  Speaker 7: And in fact, they don't act like an ally. They're
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  Speaker 7: trying to sink the U.S. 's liberty and kill the survivors. They've, again,
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  Speaker 7: shared our technology with communist China, and they're a critical
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  Speaker 7: security threat when it comes to intelligence. So I think
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  Speaker 7: we need to reconsider the scope of our alliance, not
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  Speaker 7: necessarily severe it all the way, but it might be
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  Speaker 7: nice to have a trial separation.
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  Speaker 8: It is astounding that when you lay all this out
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  Speaker 8: to the average person, they'd be like, what?
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  Speaker 3: Who is defending this? Who thinks this is a good idea?
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  Speaker 8: But since you've kind of been inside of those meetings
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  Speaker 8: and rooms, you're in a better position to kind of
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  Speaker 8: argue against, rather than the phantom idea of what these
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  Speaker 8: people are actually saying and why they're defending this, what
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  Speaker 8: they actually say. So in your experience, do they really
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  Speaker 8: believe that this is good for America? Or what's going
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  Speaker 8: through their minds? Because the average person, this sounds like
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  Speaker 8: it is obviously not an America-first policy. And even in Michigan,
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  Speaker 8: like Abdul El-Sayed is trying to look like he's America-first,
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  Speaker 8: coming from a Democrat position, because there are opportunities like
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  Speaker 8: this left and right to say we should have a
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  Speaker 8: foreign policy that's more aligned with the interests of our
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  Speaker 8: own country's priorities. So do they believe that this is
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  Speaker 8: America first, or do they just not care?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think there's a huge misconception, especially among Republicans,
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  Speaker 7: and specifically Republicans in Congress that tend to be more
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  Speaker 7: of the neocon persuasion that really, I think, sincerely believe,
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  Speaker 7: they sincerely conflate the national security interests of Israel with
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  Speaker 7: our own.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the two are very, very different.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we've seen that played out during this disastrous
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  Speaker 7: Trump war against Iran, where Israel has killed off the moderates,
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  Speaker 7: the very moderate leaders that Trump claims that he handpicked
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  Speaker 7: to lead Iran, Israel assassinated. They've tried to assassinate the negotiators.
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  Speaker 7: They made multiple attempts. President Trump has made that clear.
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  Speaker 7: He's not happy about it. And Israel acts, Netanyahu acts
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  Speaker 7: all the time to violate Trump's outstanding Gaza ceasefire agreement,
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  Speaker 7: even the Lebanon ceasefire agreement, which was heavily weighted in
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  Speaker 7: favor of Israel. They've thrown that in the trash. So
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  Speaker 7: we see Israel flouting President Trump's foreign policy objectives, particularly
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  Speaker 7: peace with Iran, because essentially Trump is basically saying that
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  Speaker 7: we're continuing to fight this war to bring Iran back
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  Speaker 7: to the peace table. And every time we get close
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  Speaker 7: to do that, it seems like Israel does something crazy
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  Speaker 7: to derail peace talks.
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  Speaker 4: And given that the Senate is now considering whether or
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  Speaker 4: not to move forward with the House passed version of
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  Speaker 4: Section 219, are you willing to either testify on the
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  Speaker 4: Senate side or speak to senators about your experience, given
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  Speaker 4: that this is such a high stakes piece of legislation
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  Speaker 4: and you're one of the people who has actual firsthand
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  Speaker 4: experience with it?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm absolutely willing to testify. I was a whistleblower
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  Speaker 7: against the Iraq war as well. I was actually dismissed
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  Speaker 7: from my position on the Army headquarters staff due to
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  Speaker 7: articles I wrote against Bush's plan to invade Iraq, warning
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  Speaker 7: how much disasters that would be in terms of empowering
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  Speaker 7: Iran and strengthening Iran, helping them essentially take over Iraq
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  Speaker 7: with Islamist Shiite proxy leaders. And we've seen that take place.
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  Speaker 7: There's been 600 known strikes from the Iraqi military. The
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  Speaker 7: the PMF brigades that are sponsored by Iran that the U.S.
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  Speaker 6: Pays for against U.S. Gulf allies. And in fact, they were.
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  Speaker 7: Also responsible for destroying the East-West pipeline in Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to make that observation. That is the
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  Speaker 4: reporting that the East-West pipeline, according to the reporting that
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  Speaker 4: we understand, was attacked from Iraqi territory. We reported in
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  Speaker 4: the first segment of this show that European shipments from
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  Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia to Europe have been shut down. Europe's not
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  Speaker 4: getting any oil from Saudi Arabia in the back half
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  Speaker 4: of September. And there is quite an irony that the
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  Speaker 4: country that we supposedly liberated, is now playing a significant
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  Speaker 4: role in that. I guess while we have you here,
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  Speaker 4: if you could just give us your thoughts real quickly
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  Speaker 4: on how you think President Trump could or will end
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  Speaker 4: this conflict that is destroying everything that he built through
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  Speaker 4: his MAGA movement, but also, it appears, the global economy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think President Trump has two options before him
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  Speaker 7: that can end the conflict. And escalation is not one
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  Speaker 7: of them, by the way, and continuing the blockade is
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  Speaker 7: not one of them. His options are essentially to pull U.S.
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  Speaker 7: forces out of the region. That's something he said he
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  Speaker 7: would do just yesterday. He said he was going to
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  Speaker 7: pull U.S. troops out of the region anyway. He didn't
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  Speaker 7: give a timetable, and he said he might reverse that
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  Speaker 7: if he decides to take the oil out. which, of course,
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  Speaker 7: is impossible. We can't even invade Iran, let alone take
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  Speaker 7: their oil. But I think that that's one possibility. General
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  Speaker 7: Michael Flynn, his former national security advisor, has stated he
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  Speaker 7: could declare victory. He could say it was part of
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  Speaker 7: a long-planned strategic reset. He could point to his national
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  Speaker 7: security strategy as the foundation for why he's doing it.
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  Speaker 7: The other way, of course, is to reimplement the 60-day
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  Speaker 7: ceasefire MOU. The problem is Iran is demanding that all
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  Speaker 7: of the provisions that favor them are implemented at the
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  Speaker 7: front end of the agreement. So essentially, the reparations, the
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  Speaker 7: $ 300 billion reparations, unlocking $ 100 billion to $ 200 billion of
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  Speaker 7: their frozen assets. and all of that type of stuff,
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  Speaker 7: and combined with withdrawal of U.S. forces anyway, which, you know,
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  Speaker 7: really it's not even feasible for us to keep U.S.
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  Speaker 7: forces in the region because Iran has destroyed 13 to
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  Speaker 7: 16 U.S.
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  Speaker 6: Bases.
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  Speaker 7: And so, you know, we should pull a, Trump should
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  Speaker 7: cite Ronald Reagan. You know, in 1983, after the truck
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  Speaker 7: bombing of the Marine barracks, What did Reagan do? He
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  Speaker 7: didn't start a war with Iran. He pulled all U.S.
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  Speaker 7: troops out of the Middle East except for Turkey. So
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  Speaker 7: I think that's the model for America first is Ronald Reagan,
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  Speaker 7: peace through strength.
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  Speaker 4: Well, David Pine, he's the deputy executive director of the
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  Speaker 4: Task Force on National and Homeland Security, also writes the substack,
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  Speaker 4: The Real War. David, thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 4: Really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks, Ryan and Emily. Have a great day.
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  Speaker 4: You too.
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  Speaker 8: FBI Director Kash Patel was on Capitol Hill yesterday getting
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  Speaker 8: absolutely grilled, not just by Democratic senators, but also by
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  Speaker 8: Republican senators. Let's start with this exchange he had with
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  Speaker 8: Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat, of course, on the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 9: The only 302s that were released were the ones that
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  Speaker 9: did not mention Donald Trump. When the department was caught
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  Speaker 9: having held back the other ones, I think because bait
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  Speaker 9: stamps revealed their existence. The department then coughed up the
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  Speaker 9: 302s that did mention Donald Trump, but we still have
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  Speaker 9: 37 undisclosed pages that seem to be the contemporaneous FBI
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  Speaker 9: notes that would have formed the basis for the 302 summaries.
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  Speaker 9: Am I accurate in suggesting that those 37 pages likely
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  Speaker 9: include the FBI contemporaneous notes from that interview, from those interviews?
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  Speaker 10: We have complied with the statute and the court orders
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  Speaker 10: and produced three and a half million pages of documents
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  Speaker 10: for the first time ever. Investigators looked at the information
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  Speaker 10: in real time in the prior administration and made the
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  Speaker 10: determinations on referrals for prosecution and not. We've also repeatedly
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  Speaker 10: stated if there's new information, we want everyone to come
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  Speaker 10: forward so that we can analyze that information as to
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  Speaker 10: what is and isn't remaining.
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  Speaker 6: So what are those 37 pages?
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  Speaker 10: I don't know what you're referencing. We've produced three and
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  Speaker 10: a half million pages, and we will continue to comply
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  Speaker 10: with it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but not these 37.
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  Speaker 8: Ryan, he appears to be referring there to 302s related
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  Speaker 8: to Donald Trump ratting out Epstein, right? That seemed to
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  Speaker 8: be missing from the files. So Trump acted as a
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  Speaker 8: federal informant.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's... There are moments in there where Trump looks good.
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  Speaker 4: Like when he, yeah, is like mad at Epstein. They
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  Speaker 4: had a falling out over. Epstein was trafficking one of
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  Speaker 4: his staff. And then they had and they also had
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  Speaker 4: a falling out over a fight over. They're both bidding
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  Speaker 4: on the same property or something like that.
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  Speaker 11: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And so then, yeah, he called like he called the
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  Speaker 5: local cop.
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  Speaker 6: On him.
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  Speaker 5: He should try. I don't understand. Like I was about
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  Speaker 5: to say, I don't understand. Like, so think about this.
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  Speaker 4: There, there are good things that can, Trump can say
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  Speaker 4: about himself in these files, yet he is still so
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: reticent to, release, you know, had to be forced to
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: release what he did release and won't release the other parts,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: which really tells you something about what the rest of
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: it is. Because if it's just Trump looking good and
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: ratting him out to the police, all day long he's
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: rolling with that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: So White House wrote a letter to Kash Patel back
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: in March saying, Okay, so it looks like they're looking
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: for 302s of the accuser. It then published additional records
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: after these omissions were noted. It appears that 37 pages
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: of records still have not been released, including FBI notes
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: associated with agents' interviews of the accusers.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: So he's not, as I originally said, he's not looking
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: for more.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: Information on the Trump 302 ratting Epstein out. He's looking
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: for 302s of informants who were claiming that Trump was
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: guilty of sexual abuse. But to the point that White
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: House is making, there are legal obligations. Thomas Massey sat
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: right here and told us that they're baked into the
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: legislation is potential for penalties if Kash Patel and other
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: people at the DOJ do not comply with the demand,
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: the congressional demand, that they release all of these records.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: And so if evidence emerges that they have records they're
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: sitting on, a Democrat Department of Justice, Democrat-run Department of
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: Justice and FBI could potentially find that evidence and bring
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: it to the public and they would be in violation
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: if they are knowingly withholding documents that should be released.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And Kash Patel and all these other guys are probably
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: assuming they're going to get a pardon. But what if
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Kash Patel ticks off Trump so bad that he doesn't
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: get a pardon.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: He's like the one guy that doesn't get a pardon.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: It's a good point.
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: He got some tough questions about flock cameras. Let's take
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: a look here at E3.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: Private companies have and private municipalities and towns put up
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: cameras around traffic circles in the neighborhoods and the like.
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: They collect information, not the FBI, where there is no
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: reasonable expectation of privacy, basically publicly available information. Where the
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: FBI partners with these individuals is on a case-by-case basis
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: and not a rolling access basis. We, for the first
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: time at the FBI, have professionally partnered and officially partnered
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: with more private sector individual companies and social media and AI.
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: Okay, so FBI partnering with Flock, not a surprise, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: basically what he's saying, right, Ryan?
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, describing the efforts to just basically film everything.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Trump is now pro-Flock, of course.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Of course, Trump was an incredible anti-instincts. Like one of
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: the great political talents.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Of several generations is just on the wrong side of
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: absolutely everything now.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it used to be the opposite. It used
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: to have like this gut instinct.
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: It did.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: He now has a gut instinct of how to infuriate people.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: It's going great for him.
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: Patel also got questions about showing up in the U.S.
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: men's hockey team Olympic locker room after the win.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Let's watch E2.
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: And apparently he wanted to go to the Olympics. And
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: you combine, you were four days there and you did
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: some quote work, a dinner with the ambassador, an hour
• 23:31
  Speaker 12: with Italy counterpart operatives, three 20 minute meetings of a
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: security briefing and a 30 minute.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Tour over four days.
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: And then You barged into the celebration of our winning
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: Olympic team.
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: What were you doing doing that?
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: Can't you let the players enjoy the joy of their
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: own victory?
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: What you'll never understand is the players who are my
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: friends invited me into the locker room. What you'll never
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: understand is that during that trip where 300,000 Americans went
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: to Italy to participate in the games and watch them,
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: not a single security incident occurred. What you'll never understand
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: is throughout the World Cup, not a single security incident
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: occurred because we stood a joint operations center up there
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: And the most important thing to come out of that
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: trip besides the American men defeating the Canadians and celebrating
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: the love of this country and inviting me in to
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: do so is the fact that we obtained the seizure
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: and capture of China's most prolific hacker and returned him
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: to the United States.
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: And how about your trip to the boondoggle ranch?
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: How many days off a year do you take? Because
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: I took four this year.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Well, you'll never understand. Ryan was busting out laughing.
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: I sometimes wish we had the audio turned on while
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: we watched video clips because watching Ryan watch Kash Patel.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Was a real treat.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: The players invited him.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: You will never understand that, Peter Welch.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: All my friends are just sitting right here off screen,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: off camera. You can't see them.
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: I will say, I think it's true that probably one
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: or two of the players are friends with him and
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: invited him.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: He's known to be a big hockey guy.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: But.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's the best excuse.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: That's the point.
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: For the FBI director crashing the locker room. Now, very
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: bizarre exchange that I think dominated headlines actually yesterday from
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: the Kavanaugh testimony. Despite the fact, by the way, that
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: Chuck Grassley, ahead of the hearing, released documents showing that
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: Thomas Crooks, the shooter in Butler, the alleged shooter in Butler,
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: had his cremation paid for by an anonymous donor. This
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: is an FBI records that Chuck Grassley released yesterday. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: there are all kinds of serious questions Kash Patel should
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: be facing.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: We've covered a couple of them here.
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: But social media could not stop talking, could not stop
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: talking about the many exchanges Kash Patel had over.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: The FBI's new bestiality policy, E1.
• 25:49
  Speaker 13: What about the bestiality?
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: Same thing, because the regs wrote it up in a
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: fashion before I arrived that addressed prostitution, bestiality, and trafficking.
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: They were there before I got there.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Tell me what it said before.
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: It automatically disqualified any individual who participated on either side
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: of it. Obviously, we are never going to hire the criminal.
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: The side of what? The bestiality?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So you disqualified the animal?
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: Well... I don't think, we have great canines, but we're
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: not going to disqualify them.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: In a lot of these cases, when human traffickers, who
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: are some of the worst individuals on planet Earth, they
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: don't just traffic you for prostitution, they traffic you for
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: degrading acts of all kind, and they force you into
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: that type of conduct. And some of these individuals would
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: go on to be law enforcement officers who qualified to
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: be law enforcement officers and later applied to the FBI.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, this didn't, these changes didn't start with you,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: did they? Somebody came to you and recommended?
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And when you saw bestiality, I say this with respect,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the person who recommended it, why didn't you just say,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: what planet did you parachute in from? Why do I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: want to leave with my chin and get into bestiality?
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: That was my initial response, Senator. But they then explained
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: to me and showed me cases in which people were
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: forced into it and had applied to the FBI. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: so I thought, they should be considered. It's not an
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: automatic disqualification. That's all.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: Some tough questioning there from Senator Foghorn Leghorn, a Republican
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: of Louisiana, John Kennedy. But Ryan, what it sounds like
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: happened is that the FBI wants to work with victims
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: who like hire victims to help the FBI. And some
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: of those victims happen to have been people who were
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: trafficked probably for the.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Into situations where there's bestiality.
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: And someone came to capital and said they can't be
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: disqualified or we don't want to disqualify people for this
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: i don't know i'm trying to cut through the.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Weirdness yeah that's yeah that's that's what happened uh i
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: think that's exactly right i could have helped the fbi
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: out with this so here's what you say if you're
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: a trafficking victim anything that you were forced to do
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: yep while a trafficking victim does not automatically disqualify you
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: from employment at the FBI.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Done.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: You don't need to go into a definitive list of
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: all of the different things that people may be forced
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: to do while in trafficking unless you want Foghorn Leghorn
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: making fun of you for your new policy on bestiality.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: In the Senate.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Which is exactly what happened.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: And also, that's totally reasonable policy.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: The subtext here is the FBI is having, like a
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: lot of other places, recruitment issues.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: And so they're trying to figure out ways that they
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: can expand the pool of people. But also, if you're
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: the FBI, you would actually have a particular interest in
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: people who know trafficking.
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Because they've been victims of it and survived it. So
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: they would have more insight for law enforcement than others might.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how to land this plane.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, Kash Patel's right, but there was a better
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: way to write that rule.
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: They're also, I mean, swamped with suspicions from conservatives and
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: I think normal people across the board. I'm not sure
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: that Cash Patel has the trust of the American public exactly.
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: But Butler continues to be a huge source of suspicion,
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: as those documents yesterday showed from Chuck Grassley.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Mike Lee pressed.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: Kash Patel a bit on that and or a bit
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: on what we still don't know about Butler.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Same thing with the Charlie Kirk case.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: Obviously, as that goes to trial, there'll be even more
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: pressure on the FBI when it starts to emerge what
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: the evidence is, what the evidence isn't. But he's in
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: a very difficult spot. We'll see how long he lasts
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: in the administration. He's a loyalist, to your point, maybe
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: not even by choice. He's a loyalist because he wants
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: to have Trump's protection now that he's been in the job.
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: I think that's actually a good observation, Ryan. So maybe
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: he'll survive the whole thing.
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Ryan doesn't know either.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I am just glad that in this very dark era,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: that Kash Patel is the head of the FBI compared to.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: It's fun.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Imagine if they'd put a competent, dedicated ideologue who was committed.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Matt Gaetz. Well, he'd probably be fine too.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: But imagine if you had a Stephen Miller-like figure also
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: in charge of the FBI using the awesome powers that
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: the FBI does have.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Instead of Kash Patel.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Why are they bothering Kash Patel about his vacations?
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Take as many vacations as you want, bro. Like, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: want you partying.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Join the U.S. men's hockey team. Join them.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Come back to the office enough to create dysfunction. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: don't want you completely gone, but mostly.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, Ryan, you have a big interview that
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: we have to get to next. Let's pivot there.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: So we can put this element up on the screen.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: This is from the Yemeni military media. And they write,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: this is a translation, get ready for high quality footage
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: of the downing of a Saudi F-15 fighter jet and
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: its wreckage in the Marib governorate. This comes after reports
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: throughout the night of the downing. From Houthi officials and
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Houthi-linked journalists, Hussein Abou-Kaidi, who we're going to talk to
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: in just one moment, had posted last night, breaking news,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Yemen army announced they have shot down a Saudi fighter jet, F-15,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: in Marib province. Marib is one of the only kind
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: of oil-rich areas of Yemen. Marib city is one of
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: the lone holdouts of some of these Saudi-backed forces. There
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: have been days of negotiations going on between, and we'll
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: talk about that with Al-Bukhari in a second, between the
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Ansar Allah forces, otherwise known as the Houthis, and the
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: kind of holdouts inside Marib city. Those negotiations have broken
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: down very recently. And so the Saudis have sent in
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: some F-15s to kind of try to bomb the area.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: And as was the big fear among Saudi backers, if
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: you do that, you might get shot down.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: And it seems like very.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Quickly in the Saudi effort to counteract these Ansar Allah advances,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: they appear to already have lost a plane. The reports
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: from last night were that one of the pilots died
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: from his injuries sustained during the explosion. But that the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: other has been captured. Again, this is unconfirmed at this point.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: But my take, curious for your take, I don't think
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: many media would post get ready for high quality footage
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: of the downing of a Saudi F-15 fighter jet if
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: they didn't have that footage. I'm sure they do. That
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: is a very damaging thing to fake. Because then if
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: you don't have it, then who's going to believe you
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: ever again?
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: No, I'm sure they do have it. also very plausible
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: that they would have the footage. It's almost at this
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: point implausible they wouldn't.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Right. Yes.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: And so Hussein Al-Bukhari is a Yemeni journalist who's based
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: in Sana'a. And if you were watching the Friday show,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: we played a kind of extended section of his interview
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: with Al Jazeera.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: I was like, this guy's good. This guy's sharp.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: So I reached out to him and did a fairly
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: long interview that we can play for you guys here.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Sounds good. Let's get to it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Clashes continue in Yemen between Ansar Allah and the Saudi-backed
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: forces that are their proxies serving in the region with
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Ansar Allah continuing to strike Saudi oil infrastructure and Saudi
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: continuing to launch airstrikes against Yemen. Joining us now is
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Yemeni journalist Hussein Al-Bukhari to discuss the latest on the
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: back and forth here. Hussein, it's a real privilege to
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: have you here. Thank you so much for joining us.
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: You're welcome. Thank you for having me on your show.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you got it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: So let's start with the predicament that Saudi Crown Prince
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Mohammed bin Salman has found himself in. If you were,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: let's say, advising, obviously you're a journalist, you're not an
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: advisor to Crown Prince MBS, but if you were advising
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the Crown Prince at this point, what to do at
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: this moment, what do you think your suggestion would be
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: given the the kind of state of play of the
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: conflict now?
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: I think my advice to him, it was before they
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: have broke the truce that was signed in 2022, they
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: have targeted Sana'a airport two months ago because what Mohammed
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: bin Salman have thought if they let that civilian aircraft
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: will land, it could like damage the reputation of Saudi
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: Arabia as like, you know, the leader of the coalition
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: against Yemen and the coalition war. So I will advise
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: him to ignore that. That's fine. Because now what's happening
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: is the entire Saudi is under attack. So I will
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: advise him not to break the ceasefire because I'm sure
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: that the other side is waiting for you to break
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: the ceasefire.
• 35:53
  Speaker 13: And it's exactly what happened.
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: He thought letting that air flight will damage the their image,
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: but now we see that the attack has come all
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: across Saudi Arabia. And I will advise him as well,
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: the demand of Ansarullah or the Yemeni armed forces in
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: Sana'a is simple. It was simple before Saudi broke the rules.
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: It was to stop and lift the blockade against Yemen,
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: open Sana'a airport, pay the salaries of Yemeni from gas
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: and oil revenue that's under the control of Saudi Arabia.
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: I mean, Saudi Arabia doesn't need that the gas and
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: oil revenue, they have 12 billion barrel a day. So
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: it will be like things like that. Just stop it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: There is no need to continue interference in Yemen because
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: we have seen what's happening since 2015, the first time
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: in history that Saudi Arabia and their oil infrastructure has
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: come and been under attack.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: So is it your understanding from your sources in Ansar
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Allah that If Saudi Arabia would end its blockade and
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: end the war against Yemen, that Ansar Allah would end
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: its attacks on Saudi Arabia. Is it that simple? And
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: what is the next step after that?
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: To be honest with you, now it's not that simple.
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: The demand of today is different than the demand of yesterday.
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: The demand of today is different than the demand before
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: two months, before they struck the airport. Because it will
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: be silly that you now have the upper hand. You
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: have almost limited Saudi air cover for their back forces
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: in Yemen. This is one of the reasons why Yemeni
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: armed forces here in Sana'a are advancing because they've been
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: targeting the military bases in south of Saudi Arabia, the
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: largest air base in Khamis Mushait, King Khalid Air Base,
• 37:51
  Speaker 11: and as well King Fahd Air Base in Al-Ta'if. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: as well they have anti-aircraft missile that actually has effected
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: the Saudi ability. So now the demand of Yemen actually
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: is a total withdrawal from Yemen, from the Saudi, to
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: stop any fund to any groups inside Yemen, to stop
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: interfering in Yemen. And as well, lifting the blockade and
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: allowing flight and a full lift of the blockade on
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: Hodeidah port. Because Hodeidah port only receive some ship, but
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: they are forced to go first to Djibouti and they
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: stay there for one to four months, as they say,
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: for search. And this actually affects Yemenis and only bulk
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: carrier or bulk ship that comes to Hodeidah. The rest
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: are forced to go to Aden, which is under control
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: of the Saudi. So now the demand are actually different
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: because if Ansar al-Dahouti will come back to the same
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: demand that they were put in 2022, which was simple,
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: as one of the things that you mentioned, lifting the
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: blue cape, more flight to Sana'a airport to pay the
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: salary from Yemen revenue. But now if we go back
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: to this same demand as 2022 or 2023, when we
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: had that so-called roadmap agreement, this means we will start
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: like we will go back to the beginning. There is
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: no guarantee Saudi will use that as they used from
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: 2022 to build up army bases, to build up airport
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: across Yemen, to build up I don't know.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: Forces.
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: So now I'm sure it's different.
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: And we have seen the latest attack against Saudi Arabia
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: just in the last maybe 10 hours ago. They have
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: launched attack against Jeddah, Yom Kippur, Abha, Khamis Mushait, Najran, Jayzan, Asir.
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: And this is the first time since the beginning of
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: the aggression against Yemen in 2015, that Yemen has launched
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: a large-scale attack. Of course, there is no official statement
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: at this point from Yemen, but there is no one
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: attacking Saudi Arabia, only the Yemenis. Right.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: I wanted to put up a post of yours from,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: I believe it was earlier today or yesterday, where you
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: shared some video that was going around of a battle
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: in Al Jaffa. But you made a point that I
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: wanted you to unpack a little bit for us. You
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: wrote here, Footage released by the Yemeni army showing the
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: attacks against Saudi-backed forces in Al Jaffa province, North Yemen.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: You can see clearly how Saudi mercenaries keep wandering in
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: the desert so that Saudi media will show that as
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: an advance and control of Al Jaffa. They're just a
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: sitting duck for Yemeni fighters. Can you unpack for people
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: what you mean by that, what you're seeing kind of
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: on the ground and what that says more broadly about
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia's ability to both to project power and also
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: to defend itself.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: I mean, if you say this clearly in this video,
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: you see like armored vehicles and Toyota pickup vehicles. They
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: go like from the left to the right and they
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: keep wandering in that area. Regarding Al-Jawf, it's at the
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: border of Saudi Arabia, north of Yemen. It's between Sa'dah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: north of Yemen, and as well Hadramaut, northeast Yemen.
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: This Al-Jawf is almost the entire area is a desert.
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: Sana'a government has liberated and its control of the east
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: of Al-Jawf. This east of Al-Jawf is, I mean, Al-Jawf
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: has only 500,000 civilians. Almost all of them, they are
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: in the east, in the west of, sorry, in the
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: west area of Al-Jawf. Just maybe 30% of the size
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: of Al-Jawf. The rest is a desert. There is nothing there.
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: So what the Saudi do, they bring, troops either from Marib,
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: south of Al-Jawf, or from Saudi Arabia in the north,
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: and they just keep driving in the desert.
• 41:49
  Speaker 13: I mean, you can drive there.
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: Maybe for maybe 50 kilometers or more, or 100 kilometers.
• 41:54
  Speaker 13: You will not find anything.
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: They drive there, and they show in their media that
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: we are advancing, and this is Al-Jawf, or they will
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: find a small hill or a small mountain that people
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: will know that's in Al-Jawf to show that they are
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: in that area.
• 42:09
  Speaker 13: And this is only to take footage.
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: But still Yemeni armed forces are in control of the
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: major mountain that's maybe in east of Al-Jawf, which oversees
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: the desert. And you can see now in that video
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: how Yemeni armed forces has been targeting those troops with
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: artillery shell, with guns, with drones, and with ballistic missiles.
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: So Saudi just, because to cover the failure that was
• 42:36
  Speaker 11: in the West Coast, and as well to try to
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: recruit more Yemenis and more mercenaries. Because when they see
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: those type of videos, but from the eye of the
• 42:45
  Speaker 11: Saudi media, they will see those hundreds of trucks that
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: you saw in that video going forward and no one
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: in front of them. And as soon as they come
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: under attack, they're not going to show that. They will
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: cut it. And they do even act. They just go
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: to an open area and just keep shooting at a
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: hill or a truck or a small mountain.
• 43:05
  Speaker 13: And there is no one there.
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: I mean, you cannot leave there to have a base there,
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: either for us or for them. You need an area
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: to have water, to have water supply, or at least
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: to have a city or a nearby village where you
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: have shops.
• 43:17
  Speaker 13: So this is actually the shows.
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: This video actually shows the thing that I have been
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: explaining to many outside the media. And thanks God that
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: the video has came today.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: And how does that compare to what you saw on
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: the West Coast or what the advancing Ansar Allah forces
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: saw on the West Coast of Yemen when they got there?
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: There were reports that upwards of, you know, say four
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: out of five of the, of the mercenaries who were
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: supposed to be, you know, in the Saudi backed coalition
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: weren't even there were kind of ghost soldiers where the
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: commanders were just pocketing, pocketing the money and, you know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: telling their commanders that, oh yeah, we have, you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: we have 1000 men under our command. And when in
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: fact they might have say 200 men, how, how significant, uh, of,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: of a phenomenon has, has that been?
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: Now, to be honest with you, this is not the case.
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: But we've seen that this report that has been released
• 44:14
  Speaker 11: on some time by international media, I believe because Saudi
• 44:18
  Speaker 11: reputation was really, really damaged under back force in Yemen
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: because of that. So I can say that this is
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: actually the information that's released by the Saudi. They want
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: to show that it's not their failure, that those commander
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: were lying. But let me make it sure that all
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: the soldiers and all the commanders in there, especially Tariq Saleh,
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: they were loyal to United Arab Emirates. And United Arab Emirates,
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: they were better than the Saudi in getting equipment to
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: their backed forces in Yemen. And when they were building
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: the bases, they were building the bases like from A
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: to Z. Like operational room with satellite internet and all
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: that thing. And some footage have shown that was released
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: in the last few days. And we've seen that United
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: Arab Emirates, because that area was important to them. They
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: have built In the area that was controlled in the
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: West Coast and Bab al-Mandab, it's a small area.
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: It's about maybe the coastal area.
• 45:16
  Speaker 11: It could be maybe 2,400 kilometers. But if we did
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: without the mountains, all of the area is 4,400. But
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: the area of the coast, it could be only 2,500
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: square kilometers. Just imagine in Mocha, there's a huge airport
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: built in Mocha. They say for civilians. I mean, I said, okay,
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: I could understand that because it's a city. But south
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: of Mocha, between Mocha and Bab al-Mandab, just inside the
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: coast of Yemen, there is another large airport that was
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: built by United Arab Emirates, a large airbase in that area,
• 45:52
  Speaker 11: just 20 kilometers south of Mocha. And Azul Amun Island,
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: another airport was built. In Zughar Island, in the Red Sea,
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: just off the coast of Mocha, another airport was built.
• 46:01
  Speaker 13: And this Zughar Island is inhabited. So just imagine this.
• 46:08
  Speaker 11: Infrastructure that was built and they recruited tens, hundreds of
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: thousands of soldiers. And just now they are, what they
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: are saying that is because of this, that there were
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: names of soldiers that they were not there.
• 46:24
  Speaker 13: This is actually not true.
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: The road between Mocha to Bab al-Mandab was full during
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: the withdrawal, was full of trucks, armored vehicles.
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: For several kilometers. And Ansar Allah let them, they left.
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: The road south of Mocha open because they don't want,
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: you know, as Yemeni to kill each other. They always,
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: before they take any city, they always leave a road open.
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: So when they advance from the north of Mocha, the
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: south of Mocha road, and I have published like a map,
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: I drawed on it, where Yemeni armed forces, before the
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: fall of Mocha, because they know if you leave for
• 47:03
  Speaker 11: your enemy road, when he feel the danger, because he's
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: fighting for the Saudis, not for the liberation of Yemen,
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: he will just rather to go and take that weapons
• 47:13
  Speaker 11: and sell it like they did when they arrived in
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: Aden and the coast of near Aden. They were selling
• 47:18
  Speaker 11: all the weapons, all the, in a state of fighting
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: and get killed because their commander was the first one
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: to run away. And as well, they have been saying
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: that there is, that Ansarullah like have, with AI used
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: the voice of Tariq Saleh and send like to the
• 47:38
  Speaker 11: fighter to withdraw and all that. No, it's all, the
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: thing is that now Yemeni army, because we have limited
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: and obstruct the Saudi Air Force, 90% of the strength
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: of the Saudi-backed forces was this, was the Saudi cover
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: and Air Force. Because every area they have controlled since 2015,
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: Saudi used to use carpet bombing to that area, either
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: civilian area or in, or mountain, or a hill, or
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: a coast.
• 48:06
  Speaker 13: That's why they advanced to Hodeidah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 11: But because that does not now exist, because of the
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: attack from Yemen against their main air base in South
• 48:14
  Speaker 11: and Central Saudi Arabia, Yemeni have as well missiles. I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: sure that we can hear in the coming days that
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: Yemeni will shoot one or two of Saudi fighters. We
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: remember that United States has admitted that Yemeni air missile,
• 48:26
  Speaker 11: they were about to shoot down F-35 missiles.
• 48:30
  Speaker 13: And as well, they were about to shoot F-16.
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: There was like three or five fighters from the United States.
• 48:37
  Speaker 11: And Yemeni has launched missiles against them. They had like
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: to maneuver. And because they have maneuvered on the sky
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: of Qodeida to avoid dozens of missiles that were launched,
• 48:48
  Speaker 11: they were about to run off fuel. So the United
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: States has to send another refueled plane, and they have
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: said that, and they have as well given the leader
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: of that group of the fighter jets, like they gave him,
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: I don't know, like a star, or like to recognize
• 49:04
  Speaker 11: what he did. Just imagine this with the United States,
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: what Yemeni are doing now with the Saudi, and as
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: well the attack against Saudi Arabia, against Aramco, it prevent
• 49:14
  Speaker 11: as well Saudi to launch the same attack and airstrike
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: they used to launch. If there is any war in
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: one area in Yemen, Saudi used to launch 300 to
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: 500 airstrikes in one day if they advance in an area.
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: Now they launch in the entire Yemen, maybe on a day,
• 49:30
  Speaker 11: maybe 100, 150 airstrikes across Yemen. You can just imagine the...
• 49:35
  Speaker 11: the amount that we have reduced those airstrikes. And one
• 49:39
  Speaker 11: of the reasons, because Saudi knows if they will try
• 49:41
  Speaker 11: maybe to conduct the same amount of airstrikes, like hundreds
• 49:45
  Speaker 11: a day on Mokka, they know that Yemen at that
• 49:48
  Speaker 11: point will launch hundreds of missiles against all Saudi oil
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: infrastructure and Arab infrastructure and airport and airport. So Yemeni,
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: even when we are fighting to liberate our country, when
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: we are fighting to lift the blockade against Yemen, When
• 50:05
  Speaker 11: we do all that, we still give the Saudi a chance.
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: We still are not attacking everything in Saudi Arabia. Just
• 50:12
  Speaker 11: to let them think, if you do more, we will
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: do as well more. Right.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: So you mentioned that the airport was struck in July
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: by Saudi Arabia, which really precipitated this entire situation. But
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: the Ansar Allah response could have been much more, much smaller,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: like it A decision was made to go on the offensive.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: From your reporting, what do you understand about how long
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: this plan has been in the works and why they
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: decided to launch this significant of an offensive at this
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: moment rather than at any other moment?
• 50:54
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: If you see the attack against Saudi response to the
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: Saudi targeting Sana'a airport, and breaking the ceasefire. We consider
• 51:05
  Speaker 11: that as a cancellation of the truce. What they did
• 51:09
  Speaker 11: in Yemen, they target Abha Airport. Here, I mean, I
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: was angry. The people here were angry. They said they
• 51:14
  Speaker 11: target Sana'a and they target the airport. You should target
• 51:17
  Speaker 11: Riyadh and Riyadh Airport. But Yemen will still consider it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 11: They don't want war with Saudi Arabia. They just want
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: our country to be liberated. They focus on the blockade.
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: They have stopped Saudi ship and declared not to allow
• 51:31
  Speaker 11: Saudi ship to go through the Red Sea. But this
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: ground attack, they came after what? Because Saudi Arabia, after
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: they took control of all the bases, especially in Muqad,
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: which was under the control of the United Arab Emirates,
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: they have been sending more weapons and more training and
• 51:49
  Speaker 11: all type of weapons and communication system. Like they're trying
• 51:52
  Speaker 11: to make that area, like make it more stronger. And
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: as soon as the Saudi broke the ceasefire and we
• 51:59
  Speaker 11: formed the blockade, in the sea, Saudi have targeted Hodeidah port.
• 52:05
  Speaker 13: We didn't target Yambou before. We haven't done that. Saudi
• 52:08
  Speaker 13: is the one.
• 52:09
  Speaker 11: In retaliation of our attack against ship, they have targeted
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: Hodeidah port. And then after that, we expanded and targeted Yambou.
• 52:19
  Speaker 11: So what happened in Yemen, on the ground, Yemeni has
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: not launched any missile or any single shot against any
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: Saudi-backed forces in the area. But what Saudi did, the
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: Saudi in the last two months they have expanded their
• 52:34
  Speaker 11: fund and their money and their weapons that's been sent
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: to areas under the Saudi-backed forest control, maybe four times more.
• 52:47
  Speaker 13: Why?
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: Because they know they cannot face Sana'a army, so they
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: sent to those groups. That's why Sana'a was kind of
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: a dilemma. If we don't attack, and even if you
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: see in the media that belong to the Saudi-backed forces,
• 53:03
  Speaker 11: they were showing footage, drone footage, attacking position of Yemeni
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: armed forces, as they call them, Ansarullah.
• 53:12
  Speaker 13: They were artillery shell.
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: And bombing in many areas, in Moka, and even before
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: the fight started, in Marib and in Job. And they
• 53:19
  Speaker 11: were speaking about that in their media. But Yemeni were
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: kind of in a dilemma here in Sana'a. We don't
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: want to fight with Yemenis. But Saudi now, when they
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: are ready, when they are setting the plan, they're going
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: to attack us at one point. And as well, they
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: broke the ceasefire by targeting Sana'a airport. And those troops
• 53:39
  Speaker 11: in Yemen considered as a part of the Saudi-led coalition.
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: We can attack them and target them even without, like
• 53:48
  Speaker 11: what I explained to you, that the troops coming from
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: Saudi and reinforcement. As soon as Saudi target the airport,
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: we have the right to target Saudi and as well
• 53:56
  Speaker 11: the back forces in Yemen. So Yemeni took the decision
• 53:59
  Speaker 11: to launch missiles against those groups and those the evil
• 54:04
  Speaker 11: attacked trucks that were coming from the Saudi border toward
• 54:10
  Speaker 11: Marib and toward the Al-Jabba and they target them in
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: the road and they show footage of that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: So we had to do that.
• 54:18
  Speaker 11: And although we have the right because there is no
• 54:20
  Speaker 11: more truce but we delayed that action just to respect
• 54:23
  Speaker 11: not to have to kill Each other is exactly what
• 54:26
  Speaker 11: the Saudi want. That's why I think it will be
• 54:29
  Speaker 11: more escalation from Saudi. Here in Yemen, they're ready. Saudi
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: will stop and stop interfering in Yemen. It will be simple.
• 54:42
  Speaker 11: And there is one more important point. Before 2002, before 2022, before.
• 54:50
  Speaker 13: Yemeni, Saudi-backed forces were just in Nehmeh.
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: It's just east of Sana'a. Yemeni, before doing that major
• 54:59
  Speaker 11: attack that reached the outskirts of Marib before 2022, they
• 55:04
  Speaker 11: have sent an initiative to al-Irada, which is the leader
• 55:07
  Speaker 11: of the Saudi-backed forces and the governor of Marib. They said, look,
• 55:10
  Speaker 11: we do want to attack you. We do want to
• 55:12
  Speaker 11: target you, but you can keep your weapons. You can
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: stay the governor. You can stay in control of the
• 55:18
  Speaker 11: area that you are in, but stop attacking us because
• 55:21
  Speaker 11: they were close to Sana'a. We want to fight the Saudi.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: Let us fight with the Saudi face to face. And
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: then after that, we will talk with each other. If
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: we didn't agree, you still have your weapons and I
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: still have my weapons. You still have your position, your land,
• 55:32
  Speaker 11: and I still have my... It's not that we're going
• 55:34
  Speaker 11: to force him through negotiation.
• 55:36
  Speaker 13: He refused that. What happened? Yemeni armed forces have declared... That.
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: Was at war before the truce. An operation called Al-Bunyan Al-Marsos.
• 55:48
  Speaker 11: I don't know how to translate it in English.
• 55:51
  Speaker 13: And they took.
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: They advance till they reach the outskirts of Marib. Marib
• 55:56
  Speaker 11: is 14 area district or 14 directory. It contains 14 directory.
• 56:02
  Speaker 11: Yemeni armed forces before 2022, they have liberated. They are
• 56:06
  Speaker 11: in control of 12. What's left is only Marib city
• 56:12
  Speaker 11: and as well the so-called the desert or the wadi district.
• 56:18
  Speaker 13: Only those two.
• 56:19
  Speaker 11: But all the population, most of the population of that
• 56:23
  Speaker 11: two directory is in Marib. So it's kind like Mocha
• 56:28
  Speaker 11: in the West Coast. And you have Mocha, the city.
• 56:31
  Speaker 11: It's exactly the same like Marib. We are controlled over
• 56:35
  Speaker 11: the West Coast. And then we came around the Mocha.
• 56:37
  Speaker 11: And then it took only a few minutes. It's exactly
• 56:40
  Speaker 11: with Marib. We are in control of most of the
• 56:43
  Speaker 11: populated and most important area and mountains around Marib.
• 56:48
  Speaker 13: It's only the city that's left.
• 56:49
  Speaker 11: And I believe that Marib will be exactly like Marib,
• 56:52
  Speaker 11: like Mouka, and it could be as well easier because
• 56:55
  Speaker 11: the fighters that they are in Marib, they are not
• 56:58
  Speaker 11: from Marib.
• 56:59
  Speaker 13: They are not from the tribal areas.
• 57:01
  Speaker 11: Either the 12 directors in the hand of Sana'a or
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: the other two. Most of them, they are from outside
• 57:07
  Speaker 11: and they belong to the Muslim Brotherhood because the Muslim
• 57:10
  Speaker 11: Brotherhood and Saudi-backed forces has been defeated from many areas.
• 57:14
  Speaker 11: From Yemen, they all went there. Even those who had
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: run away from Mouka, they can be there. So even
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: the people in Marib, they are not happy with that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: And I'm talking about Marib province, not Marib city, which
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: is still under the control of the Saudi-backed forces. All
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: the Marib people there, they are not happy with that
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: because they consider them as foreign fighters.
• 57:37
  Speaker 13: You come to my city to fight because they pay you.
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: That's why I think at one point, that maybe it
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: will be easy and they will run away as exactly.
• 57:46
  Speaker 13: As they did before.
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: As long as there is no cover from Saudi Arabia
• 57:49
  Speaker 11: by airstrike, even though Saudi Arabia is trying, but we
• 57:54
  Speaker 11: determined that or like kind of stopped them back. I
• 57:59
  Speaker 11: don't think that they will be, the entire region will be,
• 58:03
  Speaker 11: Yemen will be liberated. And the same initiative, that was before,
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: the same initiative has been put just weeks ago before
• 58:10
  Speaker 11: entering MoCA or liberating the coast. It was, this initiative
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: was put it to Marib and to Muka and to
• 58:17
  Speaker 11: two months ago before the fight starts. Look, look what
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: Sanaa is doing before the fight starts. They ask Tariq
• 58:22
  Speaker 11: Saleh and they said, keep your weapons, stay in your area.
• 58:27
  Speaker 11: Don't hand us any weapons. Let us fight with the
• 58:29
  Speaker 11: Saudi face to face. Don't stab us in the back.
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: We don't want to kill Yemeni to kill Yemeni. Will
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: you agree for that? He said, no, I am with
• 58:38
  Speaker 11: the Saudi coalition.
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: I will do whatever. They say, and he started receiving weapons.
• 58:43
  Speaker 11: This was after the attack against the airport. And he
• 58:46
  Speaker 11: didn't stop receiving weapons and, like, target with those drones
• 58:52
  Speaker 11: that they have. So I think at that point, Yemen
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: has decided, because if we didn't do so, this means
• 58:58
  Speaker 11: that Saudi, at one point, and Saudi were waiting for
• 59:01
  Speaker 11: the United States to end the war with Iran or
• 59:03
  Speaker 11: to have a truce, they will come to us. And
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: Saudi was waiting for the United States and for Trump,
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: because what those... United States and the Zionists have been doing,
• 59:11
  Speaker 11: they've been singling out the axis of resistance country by country.
• 59:15
  Speaker 11: Start with Gaza. And then when they're done with Gaza,
• 59:18
  Speaker 11: we remember Hezbollah was launching missiles against Israel, but the
• 59:23
  Speaker 11: Israeli response was limited because they were busy with Gaza.
• 59:27
  Speaker 11: As soon as they finished with Gaza, I mean, the
• 59:29
  Speaker 11: resistance still exists. But I mean, yeah, you know what
• 59:31
  Speaker 11: I mean. They went to Hezbollah and focused all the
• 59:33
  Speaker 11: attack on Hezbollah. As soon as they finished, was Syria
• 59:36
  Speaker 11: through the terrorists. The one that Joulani, he was like
• 59:39
  Speaker 11: on the list for 10 million. And now he's the president.
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: And when they end with Syria, they went to Iran.
• 59:46
  Speaker 11: Just imagine, Iran has its launch. Even Iran has its
• 59:49
  Speaker 11: launch attack in support of Gaza. Let's say that Israel
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: think that, okay, like Yemen did. So it was coming
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: to Yemen. That's why Yemen, even though Saudi has broke
• 59:59
  Speaker 11: the ceasefire, Yemen have decided the best way to defense
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: is to attack.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: If Saudi Arabia doesn't end this war, do they face
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: any risks when it comes to their own territory? Because
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: they don't seem to be able to defend anything at
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: this point.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I spoke with this in an interview yesterday.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 13: It went viral in.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 11: In YouTube, it was like an Arabic kind of Arabic channel.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 11: And because I'm, I mean, I'm not, I don't represent
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 11: Ansarullah officially.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 13: That's why I can speak my mind more.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 11: So I'm not, but what I think that Yemeni have
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 11: different stage against the Saudis. First of all, we said
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: blockade against blockade. Our airport against our airport. We still now,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 11: we are not, targeting civilian airports in Saudi Arabia. If
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 11: they target Sana'a airport, we will target them. We are
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 11: not targeting civilian port. Only when they target Hodeidah. But
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 11: now we focus on the air bases of the Saudi
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 11: and as well Aramco facility. And even when we target
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: Aramco facility, maybe two weeks ago in Saudi Arabia, why
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 11: we did that? Saudi has been launching strikes against Yemen
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: and here in Yemen, Yemeni armed forces, haven't announced any
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 11: of the strike because they were in the battlefield. They said, okay,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 11: they are not affecting our advance, even when they were
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 11: advancing on Muka.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: We will ignore it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 11: We don't want to make it all outward. What the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 11: Saudi did, they have targeted a prison in Al-Jawf, killing dozens,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 11: including women and children, and they targeted during the visiting hour.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 11: That's why when Yemen have targeted Aramco facility, just imagine,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: Saudi has launched hundreds 20 airstrikes at that time in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 11: two days, Yemeni didn't attack. But when they launched attack
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: against the prison, Yemeni had to take a stand. Otherwise,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 11: I mean, people here maybe will rise up against him.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 11: I mean, they target Aramco in Jizan, in Najran, and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 11: in Asir, in Abha, and in Najran.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 13: So this is like a stage.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: If you target our civilians, we're not going to target
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 11: your civilians and cities.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: We will target Aramco.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 11: And the second stage, I mean, it will be all
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: Aramco across Saudi Arabia because our blood is more important
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 11: to us than the Saudi oil. That was at the beginning,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 11: Saudi thought that they could shed the Yemeni blood. And
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: another stage will come. It's like to target all the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 11: airports and ports. It doesn't matter, civilian or military. And
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 11: as well, the water plant. I believe that me, if
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: I was the commander, of the Yemeni armed forces, I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 11: will have this plan. I mean, if we see that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 11: there is a great aggression against Yemen or that the Saudi,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 11: like let's say, is winning and things like that and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 11: destroying Yemen infrastructure as they did in the last 10
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 11: years in 2015, we will exactly target. But that we
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: will leave it at the end because we don't want
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 11: to affect civilians in Saudi Arabia.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 13: I mean, they will die from thirst.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 11: So, but about the border, Yemeni still have this solution.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 11: But if they enter Najran and Jizan and Asir, this
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: means we will not come out of it, even if
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 11: the Saudi backed of it, and even if they say
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 11: we will withdraw from all Yemen, we will stop.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: What you want, any demand you want, we will agree.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 11: What we will say that time, if I was the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: commander of Insha'Allah, or the emirate, I will say, The
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 11: demand of today is not like the demand of yesterday.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 11: The demand of today is not like the demand of
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 11: after Mocha. Because Yemenis, maybe all of them, let's say 99%
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 11: of Yemenis still consider Najran and Jizan and Asir as
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 11: a province that belong to Yemen. And they were taken
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 11: by the Saudi in the 30s or the 20s from
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 11: our imam at that time.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 13: He's like the king.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 11: They took it because they got support from the United Kingdom.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 11: when the United Kingdom has bombed Hodeidah, and they had
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 11: mercenary and Yemenis like Saudi have now, and Hodeidah was
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 11: the only lifeline for Yemen. And at that time, they
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: had an agreement that the United Kingdom will, and the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 11: mercenary will withdraw from areas in Hodeidah and will stop
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: bombing Hodeidah, and Yemen will like give those through province
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 11: to Saudi Arabia, but they signed an agreement called the Taif.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 11: A Taif agreement is the same name that the agreement
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 11: that signed for the Lebanese in Saudi.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 13: I don't know why they call it all the time.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 13: I mean, it looks like that we are short of names. So, yeah.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 11: So, and in that agreement, that the Saudi will, and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 11: the agreement, why Imam did the agreement?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: Because at that time he was weak.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 11: But he did an agreement that, that agreement still say
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 11: that this is our land. And this means that if
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 11: by one, he give like to any president in the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 11: future or any king, if Yemen at one point will
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 11: be strong, They can take it and they have the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 11: right to take it because he knows the Saudi will
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 11: not fulfill the agreement. And in the agreements, Yemeni could
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 11: go to Saudi Arabia using their ID. They don't want
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 11: any visa. He will treat Yemeni as he treated the Saudis. Look, look,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: the Imam at that time, he had a vision. He
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 11: knows Saudi, he knows that the oil, that people, and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 11: as well that Saudi Arabia will not interfere in Yemeni business.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 11: will not attack Yemen, will not target Yemen, will not
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 11: support any group. And they will not even try to
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 11: make other country or threaten us through other country.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 13: This is the agreement was.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 11: So Saudi have actually, since the Republic has raised up
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: in Yemen in 1962, the revolution against Imam, Saudi Arabia
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 11: has been interfering in Yemen. Saudi Arabia as well, lately
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 11: in the last maybe 30, 40 years has been treating
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 11: Yemenis They're really bad. So, and Saudi, and on the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 11: top of that, they have launched a coalition war and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 11: aggression against Yemen, launching more than 300,000 airstrikes, declaring that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 11: coalition from Washington through the Saudi ambassador al-Jubeir is the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 11: first war you declared against your neighbor from another country.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 11: Killing directly by airstrike, maybe 20,000 Yemeni civilians and about 400,000,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 11: between 300,000 to 400,000 Yemeni civilians have died because of
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 11: the blockade. Severe malnutrition, malnutrition, lack of water, preventable diseases
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 11: that the United Nations have saved, cholera, malaria.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: So all that, that's.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 11: Why Yemen, if you see, they're always focusing on the blockade.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 11: The blockade is killing more Yemenis and the closure of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 11: the airport than the direct airstrike. That's why the Saudi border,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 11: if Yemen will go inside those areas, I'm sure they
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 11: will not withdraw.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 11: Because if they withdraw, they will bear the shame for
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 11: all our.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 13: Generation, maybe until the judgment day.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 11: That look, at one point we were strong and that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 11: agreement that was signed and now is in our favor
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 11: that we can say to Saudi that they have broke it.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 11: And now you, Ansarullah, you have gone inside and you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 11: controlled and you are stronger and you have left it.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 11: But this actually will be the last solution. And this
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 11: show you how good our government here and our leadership.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 11: What we are asking now the Saudi, we are not
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: asking them to withdraw from Najran and Jaisal and Asir.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 11: We are asking them to withdraw from Yemen, to stop
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: killing Yemenis. And we will have peace with them. And
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: Yemeni here in Sana'a, especially our leader, Sayyid Abdul Malik,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: if he sign an agreement, Even with the devil, like
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 11: with the United States, when we stopped attacking the United
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 11: States and they stopped attacking us, it wasn't like there
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 11: was an agreement, but it was Yemen demand, stop attacking
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 11: us and we will stop attacking you. Of course, Trump
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 11: has made it like that he won. He said at
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: the beginning when he launched attack, he said, I will
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 11: not stop unless they stop targeting our ship and our.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 13: Allies ship.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 11: But when we have agreed not to target each other,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 11: he said, I defeated the Houthi, they can't begin to me,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 11: we'll stop and we stopped. We're going to stop targeting
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 11: them and they will stop targeting our ship. He hasn't
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 11: mentioned about the other allies and whose other allies is Israel.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 13: So look, even with that, we have respected that. It's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 13: in our religion.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 11: We know that if you lie or if you don't
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 11: respect an agreement, God will punish you.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 13: How can I punish you? He make you lose the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 13: next battle.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 11: And even with the attack against Iran, with the attack
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 11: against Iran and Yemen has not, and they always say
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 11: Yemen is like linked and they are the chief in
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 11: command from Iran. I mean, Yemen could actually block the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 11: Red Sea when Iran was under attack in the 12
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 11: days of war or as well now. but they waited
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 11: till Saudi has broke that ceasefire. And what's the funny thing,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 11: I mean, I had many interviews in the last two days,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: and the first question, why you are targeting Saudi ship
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: as soon as you seized the Bab al-Mandab Strait? They
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 11: totally forgot that Yemen has targeted Saudi oil tanker two
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 11: months ago, even before they reached the coast of Bab al-Mandab.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 11: Yemen has been targeting Israeli ship through the genocide, So
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 11: we do need to be at the coast to block
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 11: the Red Sea.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 13: We were blocking the Red Sea.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 11: We were targeting ship in far north of the Red Sea,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 11: in the Gulf of Aden and the Arabian Sea. But
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 11: the main thing about controlling that area is to liberate Yemen,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 11: and this is actually the largest. So they say, why
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 11: don't you target American ship now? Why don't you target
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: Israeli ship at this point? But look how hypocritical. are
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 11: those media outlets. When we were targeting Israel and United States,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 11: we only targeted and bridge only when they launched the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 11: prosperity garden. When we're targeting those ships to help our
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: brother and sister in Gaza to stop the genocide, to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 11: do something that we can and demanding to stop the killing,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 11: all these countries, they will tell us why and they
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 11: condemning us and they say as a piracy, why we
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 11: are targeting those ships in the sea.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 13: But now when we are targeting, not targeted. They say, why?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 11: Why don't you target and let American ship to go
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 11: through Ritchie? This actually show you who we are fighting.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 11: Just one final thing, and maybe it's going to make
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 11: you laugh. During the war, before the tourist 2022, when
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 11: Yemen was launched an attack against United Arab Emirates, or
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 11: against United Arab Emirates-backed forces in south of Yemen, at
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 11: that time, the disagreement between Saudi and Arab Emirates started
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 11: to show up on When you target United Arab Emirates
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 11: and their backed forces in Yemen, Saudi and the Saudi-backed
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 11: forces in Marib and other areas, they were celebrating that.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 11: When we were targeting Saudi Arabia and targeting Saudi-backed forces
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 11: in Yemen, United Arab Emirates backed forces and United Arab
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 11: Emirates themselves, they were celebrating that.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 13: But when we.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 11: Target the Zionist ship and we were fighting the prosperity guardian,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 11: or the Palestinian people to lift the attack, to lift
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 11: the blockade against Palestine, to help the Palestinian people. And
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 11: we were the only country to do so, targeting ships,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 11: a United States battleship since World War II.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 13: All those countries were against us. All those backforces were
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 13: condemning us. It's all about Zionist state of Israel. If
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 13: you are good with them, no one will attack you.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 13: You will be fine.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 11: Like United Arab Emirates or like Saudi Arabia. So show
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 11: you this show, everyone who's watching who we are fighting.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 11: It's okay for United Arab Emirates and their back forces
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 11: that we kill other Yemeni that's loyal to Saudi or
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 11: kill a Saudi and the opposite as well for those
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 11: side to kill those side. But when we try to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 11: stop the genocide and attack Israel, they all against that.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: I also wanted to ask you before you go about
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: the 73 UN aid workers that have been detained by
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: Ansar Allah. My understanding is that as a result, access
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: to humanitarian aid has gone significantly down. The UN and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: other aid agencies are nervous about sending aid workers in.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: Why are they still detained?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: It's not only, obviously, an international incident, but also, just
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: from an ethical perspective, why?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 11: I mean, I've been speaking to Sarlan. I said, did anyone... Like,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 11: we don't have any, like, solid proof that he, like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 11: was spying or something like that. You should release him because,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 11: to be honest, it just is damaging the reputation more
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 11: than it's helping our cause to liberate Yemen. But if
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 11: you look, why did that happen? I mean, it's not
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 11: that I'm giving, like, excuse of our government here, but
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 11: it happened after the attack that have killed our entire government.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 11: And the area that the aid worker used to work
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 11: is near that area where it was targeted. It was
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 11: like a secret meeting and things like that. So there
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 11: is this kind of.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 13: Reason. And it's not only those UN workers.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 11: They have arrested other people in that neighborhood.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 13: So there are still people. I mean, my neighbor, someone.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 11: I know, He's with Ansarullah. He even hash me, as
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 11: we say, like he's linked to the prophet Muhammad. And
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 11: he's a good friend of mine. His brother, he was arrested.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 11: And he's considered like from Ansarullah and others. So when
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 11: it comes to the security of Yemen, they don't care.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 11: Are you with the international? Are you working with this agency?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 11: But what I'm asking them, and I did as well before,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 11: like when I meet some of them, just if there
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 11: is any process, make it quick.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 13: Don't delay it.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 11: But to be honest with you, I mean, if you see,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 11: some people think that this international NGO, that it cannot
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 11: be that one will be like a spy. No, it can't,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 11: because United States and the Zionists, they have used everything.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 11: We remember that maybe it's something like, not related to Yemen,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 11: but related to this incident. when they assassinated and killed
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 11: the Bin Laden, the United States had an idea and
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 11: everybody can search. I mean, can say to anybody who
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  Speaker 11: are not in the Stone Age that you cannot find
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  Speaker 11: anything that I can lie and no one can find out.
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  Speaker 13: Bin Laden, what they did, they know the.
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  Speaker 11: Area or maybe the house and the neighborhood where Bin
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  Speaker 11: Laden is. And they even might have that thinking he
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  Speaker 11: lived in maybe that compound or house. But they want
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  Speaker 11: to make sure because that area is inside Pakistan. and
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  Speaker 11: to attack and kill someone is not related to Pakistan,
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  Speaker 11: it could make, like, be a bad reputation for the Pakistani,
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  Speaker 11: even though the Pakistani government, I believe it has always
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  Speaker 11: been a Zionist government. The Pakistani people, they are free
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  Speaker 11: and good man. So what they did, they sent a
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  Speaker 11: doctor with the so-called, like, a support and aid and
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  Speaker 11: agency from outside who do vaccination for children That kind
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  Speaker 11: of vaccination to avoid that the kids will be paralyzed.
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  Speaker 13: You give it to your one month old or two
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  Speaker 13: month old baby.
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  Speaker 11: So they use that and they were taking DNA because
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  Speaker 11: it is by mouth from all.
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  Speaker 13: The children in that neighborhood.
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  Speaker 11: And Saudi, of course, they have the DNA of Aladdin
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  Speaker 11: from the brother or, you know, they have it. Till
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  Speaker 11: they made sure the exact house. And then they target
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  Speaker 11: Bin Laden and they killed Bin Laden. What did that
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  Speaker 11: entire area, the tribal area, or that city, all the
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  Speaker 11: tribesmen in that area, which is north of Pakistan, they
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  Speaker 11: have kicked all the agency that give vaccination to children.
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  Speaker 11: And that affected more than 100,000 children.
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  Speaker 13: It's because of what?
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  Speaker 11: It's because United States want to take bin Laden, they
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  Speaker 11: have affected the life of hundreds of thousands of children
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  Speaker 11: in the tribal area of Pakistan. Because those tribes, as
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  Speaker 11: soon as they heard what the United States did, they
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  Speaker 11: considered that agency, maybe that agency was.
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  Speaker 13: Working in the tribal area. It had nothing.
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  Speaker 11: And it was doing a good job. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 11: that they are doing it. But this is the United States.
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  Speaker 11: They have been using journalists. I mean, so that's why
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  Speaker 11: they are cautious. But I'm sure and I hope that
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  Speaker 11: they will make the process really quickly. If there is
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  Speaker 11: no solid evidence, you shouldn't keep anyone in prison.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it personally drives me insane when governments use journalists
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  Speaker 4: for those purposes.
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  Speaker 5: That's the last thing.
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  Speaker 13: All the work of journalists, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right, right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Hussein, I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: These are certainly interesting times indeed in Yemen.
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  Speaker 13: You're welcome. Thank you very much for having me and
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  Speaker 13: hope to see you soon.
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