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Stop LIMITING Imam Hussain! (ft. Sheikh Azhar Nasser) · After Maghrib 🌙

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Miss Mullah Ahmad Rahim Allah Musali Alam Muhammad Ali
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Muhammad Salaam Alaikum Muttaheb Rahatul.
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Brother sisters, welcome back to the Aftermath podcast.
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We are now in the silence after the storm of Ashura and the days
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after the battle of Karbala. We reflect as to what we've
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seen. This Karbala was not the end by
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the sisters, it was the beginning, the beginning to
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growth that comes from grief, sorrow that leads to strength.
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Ways in which we can reflect, ponder, apply not just the
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goodness that we saw in Karbala, but also the godliness as well,
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Inshallah. And that's something we've been
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discussing over the last few weeks.
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If you've been tuning into the podcast.
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As always, brother sisters, if it's your first time here,
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please make sure to like, comment, share, subscribe, and
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also inshallah stay to the end of the episode because we hope
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this will be beneficial. We're going to kind of get into
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two or three key conversations in this episode, but before we
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introduce our beloved, highly requested guest, Charlotte gives
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me great honour and pride to be alongside my dear brother, said
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Ali. Rather, we saw Ali come saying
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that. How you doing bro?
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It's been for me, the CF phenomenal, the vice of
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Muharram. You know, I've managed to attend
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a number of communities, sat down in the presence of amazing
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scholars and speakers through all over London.
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I Mashallah just I think within northwest London there is there
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was about 10 majalis going on. So we had ample of choices and
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I've met so much amazing brothers this year who have had
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some deep conversations with me and I know we've had some as
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well together, Ahmed, where we say, you know what, what do we
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want to achieve this Muharram? What did, how is the amount of
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saying going to improve our spiritual spirituality, our
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obedience to Allah, things like this.
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So it's a continuous journey, of course.
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And inshallah we we bring this continuous journey for our
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spiritual growth onto the podcast and Inshallah we do our
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best. To Charlotte and Charlotte, and
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before we go any further, brothers and sisters, as always,
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we offer condolences to you. This is our first episode after
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the day of our Shola and more importantly to the amount of our
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time. I'm so I have also was a man as
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of course, these are still the days of mourning.
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So, Charlotte, we'll try our best to reflect and do justice
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to this epic, this historic tragedy, which is still as
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important, still as contemporary as it should be.
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Now to introduce our guest. One sisters, this is someone
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we've had, as I mentioned, hundreds of requests over the
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last few years. Hamdulah, we're very honoured
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and blessed to be joined by our dear Sheikh Azhar na Sussaam
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Alaikum, Sheikhna Alaikum Salaam Mohammed Sallah, thank you so
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much for having. It's an honour to be here with
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you. And thank you so much, of
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course, for spending your time with us.
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How do you feel each year, if you don't mind me asking?
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After the day of Ashura, when you look back and reflect on the
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1st 10 days of Muharram and how the communities come together,
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the transformational movement that we're all on, how does it
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make you feel as someone who is considered one of our community
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leaders and someone who's had the experience, the exposure to
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so many global communities, when you see the movement of people,
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the change of hearts, how does that make you feel?
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You know that I Hamdullah, I have the privilege of of
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travelling around the world and I meet communities from North
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America, from the UK, from all over and I see the month of
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Muharram as a manifestation of the the power of of 12 Russiaism
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of Tashayyam. You know, Imam and Hussein Ade
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Salaam has the unique ability to draw in people from all walks of
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life. You know, it's almost like
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throughout the year, we go through these ups and downs in
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our spirituality. And no matter how far someone
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drifts away, and you might be talking about someone who hasn't
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prayed in a year, who's the furthest away from religion,
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who's just hanging on by a thread, but there's something
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about Imam Hussein Aye, Saddam that just pulls them in.
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So I look at the medalist of Imam and Hussein Ayeh Saddam as
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a spiritual hospital, that no matter where you are, no matter
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how wounded you are emotionally, spiritually, there's a place for
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you in, in this medulis. And all of us, all of us, we
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need, we need that spiritual healing from Imam and Hussein
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Ayeh Saddam. You know, that's why sometimes
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when when I talk to parents who who kind of worry about their
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kids, community members who are, you know, who feel like, you
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know, some of the youth are drifting away.
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I never, I never lose hope in any anybody as long as we have
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the majlis of Imam and Hussein Ade Salaam.
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There is a lifeline for every single person, you know, and
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that and that's what it means to be Safina to Najat.
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You know when, when, when Imam and Hussein is described as the
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ship of salvation. That's exactly what it is.
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Imam Hussein, Aleh Salaam. He he's that person who makes
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you feel like I can, I can change.
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Like I don't need to continue down this dark Rd. that you
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know, he is, you know, from he's the Lantern of guidance, right?
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He's the ship of salvation, no matter how tumultuous, you know,
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the, the, the, the waves of fitna are in your life, There's,
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there, there's a ship, there's a ship there that you can cling on
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to. So it's, you know, for me, every
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year, just seeing new faces, people who reconnect with their
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faith, It's, it's, it's remarkable.
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And I think it's a testament to the, to the sincerity of Imam
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Hussein Adi Sanam that you know, when you do things purely for
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Allah, Allah just amplifies the impact of of your actions,
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right? Sounds very beautiful.
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I remind you. You spoke about spirituality.
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No Subhanallah, just a few nights ago.
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She hasn't had a conversation with a friend, a very deep
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conversation where he told me he feels like there's a distance
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between him and establishing Salah.
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Recently, over the last few months, because he was going
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through difficulties and coming to the Majalis.
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He said to himself, you know, I tell myself I am Husseini, how
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can I not go and pray? And he was having these thoughts
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with himself. And you're right, you know,
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these majalas, they bring us back, they steer us back towards
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that, that, you know, that spirituality that we need, we
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need to attain Inshallah and Hamdallah.
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I've been blessed, I would say, by increasing my spirituality
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over many years. These are thanks to people like
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yourselves from the manaba and the pulpits.
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And I had the opportunity and the pleasure to attend a number
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of nights, your majalis, this Muharram and you.
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I want to mention something, Shakna, you mentioned something,
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I think it was like 2 or like 3 about the children and suffering
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and the Gazan. You were linking everything.
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And I remember we spoke in your Messiah.
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We spoke about the daughter of Rimam and Hussein.
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After your majors, I went to another majors and that time
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when I was in that majors, I had my daughter with me.
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And I felt like when I was having tears when I was reacting
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emotionally to the Mossiah from from the chef and the and the
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majors, my daughter was like holding on to me, looking at me,
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speaking with me. And I just remembered your
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lecture. I went back.
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I was like Subhan Allah, like the tragedy of Karbala is so
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great that our daughters and our and our sons, they deserve to
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know who Hussein is. They deserve to know what's the
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reason behind all our tears? What's the reason we go my child
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is why we beat our chess while we hold as why we make Milwaukee
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is why we walk and our millions to Karbala.
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And I think we owe it to them. And I think a conversation like
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we're going to have today is going to change, Inshallah, the
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future generation, Allah. So that if I, if I could just
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add something because because we as Shias, we grew up with
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Majalis, we really take Majalis for granted.
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We do. What do I mean by that?
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If you think of people who don't have any connection to faith,
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their entire world revolves around materialism, they don't
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really have inspirational figures in their lives.
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Like think think about your average individual, your average
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non-muslim, especially the men among them.
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Have they ever listened to an hour long lecture about how to
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be a better human being and actually cry?
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Like think about, I mean think about most people, especially
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men. And I'm focusing on men because
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I think, I think it's very, very important for for men to be
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attuned with their emotions. I think actually that's a sign
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of masculinity, that there is something, there's something
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very cathartic about sitting and listening to a story about a
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struggle against falsehood, A struggle against injustice and,
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and shedding tears. I think it it, it, it humanizes
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us. You know, when I listen to the
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tragedy of Imam Hussein, it's really the only place in the
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world where as a man, you can bawl your eyes out and not be
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embarrassed. It's the only place where you
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can actually cry and actually feel proud that I cried.
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Because these tears, we need these tears.
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We need these tears because these tears keep our hearts from
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becoming like stone. So I actually think human beings
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need to cry more. There's a lot to cry about, but
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I'm not talking about tears of despair.
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I'm talking about tears that empower you, that you listen to
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the story of Imam and Hussein and you think like, like, wow,
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someone like him actually existed.
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Like it, it it gives you hope that there's a reason why God
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created all of us right there. There is a there is a plan and
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what a what an honor to have a place like a Majlis to bring
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your kids. People are desperate to instill
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ethics in their kids and we we get, we get to bring our
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children and they get the best lessons on what it means to be a
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true human being. And they get the emotional
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connection. I mean, I feel like I've become
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a better father just by attending the medulist of Imam
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and Hussein, because you start to compare yourself to Hussein
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the father as a brother, right? Imam Hussein Alison, he had
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sisters. When I listen to Imam Hussein, I
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start asking like, you know, look at, look at how beautifully
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he treats the sisters. I want to be Hussein the
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brother, the brother of Zeynep Hussein the husband.
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You know, we, we live in a world today where you have guys who
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want to get married and want to do the whole, you know, 5050.
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Imam Hussein didn't say to the Bob, you know, 50% of the
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finances are on me, 50% on you. He was the Whaley of the
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womenfolk like that. That's Rojula.
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That's that's masculinity. That's what it means to be a
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man. Yeah.
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So we get we get a minimum of 10 days of that.
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Do you understand, like how revolutionary that is?
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Yeah, absolutely. I think, chef, there's so many
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ways. So Subhan Allah, the the
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blessing of Abdullah Alayhi Salaam is that there's when you
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start talking about one thing, one quality of him, something
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else comes to mind. And it's like a ripple effect.
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And before you know it, you have a million avenues to go down in
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terms of his father and of course his Mossad as well.
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But one thing you mentioned in terms of the hedonism of
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society, the, the egoism, the materialism of the world we live
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in this capitalistic world where people are so engulfed in their
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own selves, the desire to to, to work on themselves.
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And we hear a lot about humanitarianism, of course, in
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the world around us. But something new in terms of an
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ideology we've been seeing a lot in recent years, especially in
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the last decade or two, is humanism, the idea that people
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focus on themselves, the growth of themselves, the comfort
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themselves, the convenience for themselves.
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In Japan, you have towns where you have hundreds of thousands
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of people who the government facilitates them to live by
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themselves. They work at home, their food is
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delivered to home. They live by themselves.
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They don't engage in marriage or anything like that.
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And it's to to to serve that egoistic nature of themselves.
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And something which I feel the world needs now more than ever
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is a moral standard, a standard which we can look up to, a
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standard which tells us that what is the difference between
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innate human goodness and evil? Barometer.
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The barometer, right? And we know, of course, our last
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point to other tells us numerous times in the Holy Quran about
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the Fetra and about the innate primordial nature of man and
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women, of course, and the way in which Inshallah, we can work
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towards goodness. Now, what a question I have for
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you, chef, especially now I feel reflecting growing up in in
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London, which I would argue, I don't know about you chef, but I
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feel London is the hub of Western Shiism.
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And I don't know if that's if that's a contentious point or
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not, but at least what we've seen across the Western world is
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in the last 20 years, there's been a globalization of Toshio
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and specifically because of the English language.
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So we are now able to have resources.
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A couple of weeks ago we had the brothers on from Hos, Hosain and
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many other organizations. Many of our massages are
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producing resources to to, to share the message of about
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Abdullah Alayhi Salaam to the wider world.
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How do we do this in a way which is effective, condensed and also
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universal to the point where when we speak to our peers, our
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colleagues, they say, Ahmed, you were wearing black for the last
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10 days, why you're still wearing black?
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Why, Ahmed, you've booked a ticket to Iraq in the midst of a
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regional war. Why, what, what is it that we
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can share with people? How do we approach this
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conversation? Is there ausp, do we treat it
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like a sales approach or do we take it from a theological
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point? Like, do you see what I mean?
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How would you do that if someone was to come to you?
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So the, the approach that I would take and of course, my
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loss of how to bless all of the organizations that are doing,
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you know, their best to introduce Imam Hussein to the
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world. And I don't mean to disparage
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any of them. I consider them, you know,
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better than myself. They've probably done much more
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work in that regard than I have. But over the years, you know,
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with you, with age, you gain, you gain experience, you try,
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you start to figure out what works and what doesn't.
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I actually don't think the right question or the right approaches
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to to say to non-Muslims, OK, let me tell you about Hussein.
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I think a better question is why don't you already know about
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Hussein? Why don't you know about a
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person who was martyred almost 14 centuries ago, who every year
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during the Autobahn commemoration, he attracts 20 to
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30 million people from around the world.
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There are people who walk from their villages for weeks.
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These are not people who are wealthy.
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These are people who are living in abject poverty.
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But there's there's something about this man that draws them.
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Women, children, and by the way, what we witnessed during
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Autobahn, you know, if, if you tell any country, by the way,
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next week, 30 million people are going to descend upon one of
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your major cities, the government would crash.
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No, they can't. I mean, how many people attended
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Hajj this year? One and a half million.
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Less than two, yeah. And when you go there, you have
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to pay like 15 grand, especially if you're coming from US or
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Canada. You can go to Karbala with no
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money, you can literally walk from Basra to to Karbala for two
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weeks and you will be fed every step of the way.
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That's inexplicable. So my question is, this is
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happening every year in Karbala. Why doesn't the legacy media
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cover this? So a better question is why
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don't you know about Hussein and why why doesn't CNN, Fox News,
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BBC, these media outlets that that tell me about the most
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frivolous things? You know, as I mentioned, you
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know, I, I was sitting in my home and I was watching, I was
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watching national Canadian news, right?
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I don't recommend it, but there was a story, a segment about an
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old lady who had lost her cat, and the cat had climbed into a
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tree. And, you know, she was, you
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know, distressed by the absence of her pet cat.
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She calls the fire department, and they come and they rest 10
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to 15 minutes about rescuing that cat from the tree, from a
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tree in some random city in Canada, if you have time to
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cover that. What is it about Hussein that
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you don't want the world to know?
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Do you think they're scared to share something, Chef?
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You know, I'll tell you this, I think all of us can agree,
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especially after the past two years, what we've seen in in
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Reza is that all of these governments and these, these,
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these institutions, it's all a sham that these governments that
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speak about human rights. And, you know, we think that
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these are impressive civilizations.
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They're corrupt to the core. It's all talk, it's all
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hypocrisy. There's no, there's no
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authenticity between what's on paper and what's what's actually
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policy. So maybe, and we know this
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through history, you know, why did Saddam ban Zyadas and
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Arvain? Why is it that tyrants,
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generation after generation, they punish people for visiting
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Imam Hussein? What is it about Hussein?
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Is it, is it because he liberates the mind that the
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story of Hussein turns slaves into liberated people?
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Critical think thinkers who are not hedonistic, the the global
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elitist, if you want to call them that.
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The reason why they they're able to amass ridiculous amounts of
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wealth, obscene amounts of wealth is because they need
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people to be, to remain ignorant, to be slaves of their
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desires and to live a life of subjugation and humiliation.
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Imam Hussein Alayhi Salaam, his message will awaken the hearts
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and these corrupt institutions cannot survive in a world where
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Hussein is in the spotlight, right?
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So this is by this is by design and, and I and I think we have
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to start asking this question. You know, there are a lot of
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inspiring people in history. You know, you have the Nelson
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Mandela's, you have the Martin Luther Kings, you have people
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that have done good work, but it's not it's nowhere near the
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impact of Imam Hussein. You know, I remember when I was
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a little kid, this was in 1997. I'm not going to tell you guys
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how old I am, but you know, so in 1997, I remember when
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Princess Diana. When she died in a car crash and
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Princess Diana was kind of seen as this kind of this
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philanthropist, she was, she was, she was the Princess who
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was relatable. Right.
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So when she, I remember when she, when she died, I was
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stunned by the emotional outpour.
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Buckingham Palace was like buried in flowers.
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You saw like hundreds of thousands, if not millions of
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people gather in the streets. She was loved, right?
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She was not a perfect person, but there was something about
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her that made people feel connected.
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That was 19971998. What happened?
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The grief subsided. 1999 two thousand.
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As the years go by, is Buckingham Palace flooded with
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people? Or what's the natural kind of
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way that this kind of plays out is that with the passing of
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time, the grief subsides, fades away, and people forget.
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Yes, you might be mentioned. You know, they might make a
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documentary about you that you might be mentioned in the pages
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of history. Maybe during the news, they'll
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be like, oh, no, this is the anniversary of, you know, the
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death of Princess Diana. That's really about it.
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But look at Hamam Hussein. It's the opposite.
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It defies the natural laws of, of grief and loss and tragedy.
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Not only does it not subside, but it grows it, it's amplified.
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And the people who loved Princess Diana, they, they saw
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her. Maybe they met her.
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We've never. We've never met Imam Hussein,
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we've never seen him. So my question is to the
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non-muslim, why don't you know about this man who's
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commemorated every year by millions?
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And what is it it? I mean, it's, it's
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indescribable. It's inexplicable.
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But you know, the Quran actually explains it.
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Allah subhanaw Taala, what does he say in the ladina Amanu wah
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amiru salihat sayaja lullahum Rahman would da those who
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believe. And we're not talking about like
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belief as in like I'm a Muslim as a label.
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I'm talking about real belief. I'm talking about perfect Iman.
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I'm talking about the epitome of righteousness, people who are
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like that. And Imam Hussein is the, he's
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the, the quintessential man of faith.
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He is the, the perfection of righteousness.
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Allah says people who are truly, who truly have faith, who are
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truly righteous, Allah says, I, I put their affection in the
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hearts. What we see with Imam and
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Hussein Adei Saddam, this is a divine hand.
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You know, even even Jesus Christ, the commemoration, you
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know, we don't believe that he was crucified, but those who
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believe he's crucified, the commemoration for Jesus is
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nowhere near comparable, the commemoration for Imam Hussein.
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So I would say to my non-muslim friends, we have plenty of
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reason to be skeptical about the media.
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Let me add another another reason for you to be skeptical.
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Why does the legacy media not cover the ziad of Imam and
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Hussein? Why don't they talk about this?
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Because if, if it happened that, you know, 5 million people
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descended on Mexico City, it would make the news.
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Of course, if 5 if 10 million people descended upon Paris, it
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would make the news. When 30 million people descend
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upon Karbala, that doesn't make the news.
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Why? And we're talking about a city
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which has gone through a war tyranny years, you know, of
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abjugation and and and and rule under under oppressive regime.
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And of course, this is a city which is hosting and as you
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said, Shechna expanding year in, year out.
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Every year when we go, it feels like the city expands to
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accommodate and to host all of the Zoawar.
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And this is something which we see year in year out.
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And Mahmoud Hussain's message is continuing to grow and, and and
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manifest in our hearts like something within us which is
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spiralling out of control. People spend decades of their
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life studying and learning and mourning and commemorating and
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researching everything they can about his life, his message, and
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still can't quite come to terms with it.
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What is it about this man and his message, his story, which
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lives within me, in my DNA, in my blood, that I would rather,
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and we say, we say, may my mother and my father be
24:44
sacrificed for you. And these are things which you
24:46
saying Azarat Azarat are allegiance to the Holy Imam Ali
24:50
Salaam. You know the the distance from
24:53
his enemies and not just as individuals, as as
24:56
personalities, but as an identity, as a description of of
25:01
immorality that we yearn to stay far from.
25:04
And we make the art to keep away from anything similar to that.
25:08
And of course to align ourselves, to familiarize
25:11
ourselves and and to become one in the same of the morality, the
25:16
the beauty that Imam Hussein adorned us with what he showed
25:20
on the 10th of Muharram and before and of course where his
25:23
family continued to show after, said I.
25:25
Said no, you said it very nicely and I think you're right.
25:28
He's like the magnet the and that tracks, I think.
25:31
I think anyone and everyone that just knows something.
25:34
Even as small as one conversation he had with the
25:39
enemy on the day of our show. I was like, how can you speak?
25:42
Like I was hearing the other day of conversations between Imam
25:46
and Hussein and the enemy. And he would remind them of
25:48
Allah, remind them who he is, although he knows, like their
25:52
souls are against him. They're sharpening the arrow and
25:55
bows like all this is happening. Yeah, He's still converse,
25:58
giving them an opportunity to change, to change the heart.
26:00
And that's the warmth of Imam. Hussein, can I add those said
26:03
and check on with your permission.
26:05
But this time of year, especially after the day of
26:07
Ashura, is when people are starting to research, I think
26:11
before the. We have the same the 10 days we
26:16
mourn that's given, but then the real work starts.
26:20
The real work starts of course, and of course the applicability
26:23
starts then and should start from before.
26:25
But we feel that the emotional high that we reach shouldn't
26:29
just be left as an emotional high and and you know, plateau,
26:33
but rather it should become transformational.
26:34
But I think, you know, if you check Google Analytics, I'm sure
26:37
the searches of a man presain's name are higher now than they
26:41
were a week or two ago at the beginning of the holy month and
26:43
and so on and so forth. So the question is now, how do
26:47
we then make it a case where we counter the legacy media?
26:50
For example, how do we make obviously we, we, we don't want
26:55
maybe we can that the, the, the discussion of Gaza and Karbala,
26:59
that's a whole different conversation.
27:00
But in terms of the relevance of Karbala today, people look
27:04
around, they see young girls and young boys walking through
27:07
flames, and they see parents who are carrying body parts of their
27:10
children. They see people who are denied
27:12
access to clean water, as, as you said, sheikhna, people who
27:16
are denying basic human rights to one another.
27:19
And of course, when we see that today, we are reminded of what
27:23
took place back then. Now our responsibility is to
27:26
tell people that this is how we mourn and this is what we
27:30
learned, the beauty we saw in our tragedy, in our heritage.
27:34
So I think it's it is more timely for us now than ever to
27:37
actually embody what we've heard, not just to leave at at
27:40
the door of the Masjid. And, you know, we beat our
27:43
chest, we walk out and we continue with our lives, but
27:46
rather think about how we can take this message to people
27:49
around us. People are asking questions,
27:50
Muslim and non-muslim. So, yeah, you know, I've, I've
27:55
thought a lot about this because I think it it requires
28:00
reflection. How do you, how do you take this
28:05
event because ultimately this is this was a historical event, How
28:09
do you bring it out of the past and make it relative to someone
28:13
who's just living in the year 2025?
28:16
Like what if you were to kind of distill?
28:19
The message of Imam. Hussein like what?
28:21
What is his message? What is his underlying message?
28:23
Because I think sometimes. We can get lost in the.
28:27
Details like what is the take away?
28:32
You know if even if you look at the Prophet, yes, the Prophet
28:34
taught many things. But what was the crux?
28:38
Of his message there's there's there's something very beautiful
28:43
about the simplicity of that message that.
28:46
Say that there's only one. God.
28:49
Affirm that there's only one God and you'll be successful.
28:54
You'll. You'll attain.
28:54
Happiness like basically Imam and Hussein Ali Salam for me at
29:01
least. I think if you look at his.
29:05
Statements you know, who better to define the movement and the
29:09
mission of Imam Hussein than the Imam himself?
29:11
Instead of trying to analyze look, let's look at what Imam
29:13
says. What does Imam and Hussein say?
29:18
He says when he's being pressured to to give allegiance
29:23
to Yazid. He says Allah in Nadai of Nadai
29:29
the like as a bayonet benicillity with villa wahe hat
29:35
Mina villa. Imam Hussein Ali.
29:39
Salaam was given two options, one of two options.
29:46
Either. You fight or you live in
29:52
humiliation. You see something that people
29:55
don't know and don't understand is that.
29:59
If Yazid. Said I don't.
30:02
I don't need your Baha, Imam Hussein Alayhi.
30:05
Saddam probably wouldn't have fought plus.
30:09
Do whatever you want that's. Between you and Allah, subhanahu
30:11
and tada, we'll do nahan and monka within our capacity.
30:15
But the issue here. Is that not only is he unwilling
30:19
to leave an Imam Hussein, he's not allowing Imam Hussein,
30:22
Alayhi Saddam to just go on on his way?
30:25
No, you, you need to endorse me. You need to.
30:29
Endorse me. So Imam Hussein Ali.
30:33
Salaam endorsing Yazeed, what does that mean?
30:36
You give the stamp of approval to hedonism.
30:39
You give a stamp of approval to godlessness to corruption to.
30:44
All of the. Things that strip human beings
30:48
of their dignity. So Imam Hussein Ali.
30:51
Salaam, he says there, there's either Silla or there's Dilla.
30:56
Either we fight or there's humiliation, and humiliation is
31:01
the furthest thing away from us. So ultimately Imam Hussein
31:07
Alayhi Salaam. His story is about the.
31:10
Preservation. Of human dignity.
31:13
And I think if you ask. Any.
31:16
Any person Muslim. Or non-muslim.
31:19
Everyone. Everyone wants to live a life of
31:21
dignity. You know, people don't just
31:23
want. To live, in fact, human dignity
31:27
is so important that if you take away dignity, people would
31:30
rather die. It's actually more important
31:32
than life. You know, if you look at.
31:36
Our brothers and sisters in in Reza, for years they were living
31:42
in an open air prison. Yes, they're alive, but is it?
31:46
Is that a life of dignity? You know when.
31:49
You have people in in the UK, in Canada, in the US, they're.
31:54
Working and they're. Struggling to put food on their
31:57
table, and they're living in a system that puts them in
32:02
perpetual debt. Yeah.
32:04
Shackles them. And they have to compromise
32:06
their morals to make ends meet. That's a life of dignity.
32:10
That's not a life of dignity. So the message of human dignity
32:14
is what resonates with people. And ultimately, Islam is a
32:19
religion that upholds the dignity of human beings.
32:22
We'll look at Karamna, Benny, Adam, you know, I think
32:24
sometimes we have to change the way that we even look at
32:27
religion. Why is this wajib?
32:31
Because it preserves, or it at least preserves and increases
32:36
your honor and your dignity. Why is this Haram?
32:40
Why is this a sin? Because it compromises, your
32:43
dignity comes back to dignity. So.
32:45
So really. Looking at wajib and Haram
32:48
through the the lens of what's dignified and what strips me of
32:52
my kalam and that changes everything.
32:58
Then religion, no. Longer becomes this kind of
33:00
limiting tradition, Yeah. It becomes.
33:04
All about God honored me and this is how I preserve my honor,
33:09
right. Yeah, something that highly.
33:13
It does frustrate us, but I think we've learned to move
33:15
past. It is every single year when we
33:18
mention the name of Imam Hussein Ali Salaam, there is of a
33:23
toxicity that we see in front of our eyes.
33:26
There's of of a putrid response that we see online from Nawasib
33:31
and you know, all of their followers and those who come out
33:34
and they throw every single accusation at the follower of
33:38
about Abdullah and Aya Salaam. And we whatever we acknowledge
33:42
it, we accept it. Whatever we ignore it to a
33:44
degree as well. That's one thing.
33:46
We put that aside like, you know, you say what you want
33:48
about us, but to mention anything, any blemish on our
33:52
imam is a red line. Now, we live in a day and age
33:56
today where we have different types of speakers across the
33:59
Muslim world. Some, of course, are more
34:02
aggressive in their approach. And I'm talking about the neo
34:06
Salafis, the ones who will come out, the metalis who will come
34:10
out, for example, and be very vocal in their approach.
34:13
They will come out and throw accusations and they'll they'll
34:16
distort history and they'll pick and choose why art and distort
34:19
them and so on. And then you've obviously got
34:21
other speakers who are more tactical in their approach, more
34:23
strategic. They speak with a sweet silver
34:27
forked tongue, for example, and they'll talk about the the story
34:31
of Karbala and they'll make it a sad and you know, a story which
34:34
will the masses. But at the same time, we'll,
34:37
we'll slowly and slightly change the narrative of Karbala by a
34:41
couple of degrees to make everyone believe that this is
34:44
what actually happened. Whether you're Sunni or Shia, we
34:46
can agree with this, for example.
34:48
Now, one of the things and with your permission is, yeah, we're
34:50
going to throw a few of these misconceptions at you.
34:53
Statements that people say online, specifically preachers
34:57
to Muslims and of course, unfortunately, some of our youth
35:01
may fall into the trap of, you know, believing these these
35:04
these fallacies, but how we may be able to respond to them.
35:09
So when we're in school and university in the workplace and
35:12
we come across Muslims of other mvaheb who throw these
35:16
statements to us, how we might respond.
35:18
The first of which, and I, I think arguably sets the
35:21
precedent for all the following questions, is that the Imam,
35:25
Alayhi Salaam fought a political battle and his battle was
35:28
nothing more than a fight for political leadership.
35:32
I know you've addressed this in the form of Doreed and Standing
35:35
up for justice. And before the podcast you
35:36
mentioned some very important points to me about the soil of
35:39
Imam and Hassen and so on and so forth.
35:41
But this is something we've seen especially in the last 20 years
35:45
from speakers of different Mobahib across the world, the
35:48
English speaking world. How do we respond to that
35:50
accusation? That that that the.
35:53
Movement of Imam Hussein was purely political and he went
35:56
against. He went against the.
35:57
The, the, the, so the idea of, of some Setafi speakers is that
36:01
we love Imam and Hussein Ali Saddam, but he was kind of
36:04
misguided by some of the, the Shias of the time.
36:07
And he, he started a revolution that he shouldn't have.
36:11
He kind of misread the political situation.
36:14
OK, that's your argument. So why would the Prophet?
36:17
Mourn him. 50 years. Before Karbala, if he made a
36:22
mistake, why would the Prophet cry?
36:26
Why would Jibril bring the soil of Karbala?
36:29
If all this was just a political thing, if it was an error in
36:33
judgement, why is this error in judgement so sanctified?
36:40
So. Your is your prophet, is he?
36:45
Is he honoring the error of Hussein?
36:50
It's ridiculous. The the the fact that the
36:53
Prophet is crying, he's shedding tears.
36:56
Jabrai the Archangel of Allah is saying that Yah rasool Allah,
37:01
this Hussein is going to be killed in Karbala.
37:04
Here is the soil. It's very obvious.
37:08
That this is this is the language of sanctity.
37:11
It's not the language of a political miscalculation.
37:15
I mean, you, you have to have a little bit of respect for your
37:17
intellect that if that if, if you, you really believe that
37:22
you're going to face the prophet and say that, Oh yeah, you wept
37:26
50 years before Karabella and you gave the soil of Karabella
37:31
to and it was all just a political error.
37:33
I mean, for the love of God, have some shame in front of the
37:36
prophet. So I think when you look.
37:39
At the hadith where the Prophet is weeping for Imam Hussein and
37:44
he was the first one of this omen to weep for Imam Hussein.
37:48
So I think that if someone is honest and if they put their
37:52
sectarianism and their bias on to to the side, I think the
37:55
truth is, is very clear. But as the Quran says, there are
37:58
some people. You know what jihad would be.
38:00
How was state Kanata and Fuson? There are some people.
38:05
It's not. The truth is clear, but the
38:07
hearts just don't want to submit to it.
38:10
That's between them and Allah Subhanahu Tata.
38:11
But to the objective students of Islamic history, to the
38:16
objective students of the Hadith, there is no doubt that
38:21
the Prophet was was mourning and grieving over the martyrdom of
38:27
his beloved grandson who who basically saved this this
38:31
religion. Hakim.
38:34
And nature, Pauline Mustadrak Allah Sahai.
38:36
And he mentions this hadith, which of course is and it's
38:40
mentioned in in multiple sources.
38:42
We're not talking about, you know, this kind of orphan
38:44
narration, the singular narration of one off.
38:46
This is a very well documented, but it's frustrating that a lot
38:50
of them see the Imam Ali, Saddam, and we've said this
38:53
before, two brothers, 7 and 8 years old.
38:56
They taught the old guy how to do a law Kalos, their two kids,
38:59
the grandsons of the holy Prophet Muhammad.
39:01
And they leave at that. You want you want to hear
39:02
something funny? You just reminded me of
39:03
something. I once met a Sheikh in the US.
39:09
He he, he's a revert. He was.
39:13
He was Christian. He embraced.
39:16
Sunni Islam. And then he became Shia.
39:20
You know, this is usually the the kind of the evolution.
39:22
Yeah, yeah. So I asked him in this, my, my
39:25
habit is I, I love to hear reversion stories.
39:29
So we were having a conversation and I said that So what made you
39:35
take the leap from Sunni Islam to Shia Islam?
39:38
Because I mean, let's be honest, you know, Sunni Islam, they have
39:40
more institutions, more resources.
39:42
Like what made you take that leap?
39:46
And I'll never forget his. Words he said as a Sunni.
39:54
I noticed that Hassan. And Hussein never grow up.
39:59
They're always just the little cute grandsons of the Prophet in
40:03
Medina. It's as if the story just ends
40:07
and no one wants to talk about what happened.
40:11
But then when you look at what happened after the death of the
40:14
Prophet, it's actually despicable.
40:17
It's very dark and. If you, if you love me, if you
40:23
look at how much the Prophet loved Hassan and Hussein, to be
40:27
so indifferent about the tragedies that they faced, I
40:32
mean, the prophet, I mean, we're not just talking about an
40:35
emotional love that a grandfather has for his
40:37
grandsons. When the Prophet says Al Hassan,
40:40
Al Hussein Sayedah Shabab, Al Jannah, he's not just saying
40:45
that they're good people who are going to go to Jannah.
40:49
They are the masters. Of the youth of.
40:52
Paradise. And by the way.
40:55
They're only youth in. Paradise.
40:57
Some say there's men. But what does that mean?
41:03
You know, one of one of the Olama of Elif.
41:05
I don't want to mention names, but he said that when you say
41:11
that Hassan and Hussein are the Sayeds of the youth of Paradise,
41:16
what does that mean? Everyone not just that.
41:20
What's the opposite opposite of a say it?
41:22
If I'm your say it, what does that make you slip follow So my
41:26
ABT. So what does that mean?
41:30
That means one of the pleasures of Jenna is to be at the service
41:35
of Hassan and Hussein beautiful. What does that?
41:39
What does that mean? That there there is a.
41:42
Joy in being, just being at the service of these two grandsons
41:47
of the prophet. Yeah, if Hussein is my Satan,
41:49
what does that mean? I'm his AB, I'm his servant.
41:51
I'm his Haddam. Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah.
41:54
Inshallah we take this. Helmet to to the hereafter, she
41:57
continues. Shall I just want to talk about
42:00
this matter of you know, Imam Hussein Imam Hassan they stayed
42:03
young and everything. So conversation me and Ahmed
42:06
reference during our conversations week in week out.
42:08
Sometimes when we relate to the Sunni world, why they don't talk
42:12
about the elevate much, but is there a reason?
42:16
Where they I? Would say fail to narrate what
42:21
happened the tragic martyrdom of Muhammad Hussein Do they
42:24
purposely would would you say they purposely not narrates or
42:29
they have ignorance of this? Yeah, because just one something
42:32
to that I just. As part of that question, and
42:35
when we say, say the Shabab Ahad agenda, and we mentioned this on
42:38
our group chat today, ironically, that does that mean
42:41
that that because they are the masters of the youth of
42:43
Paradise, the highest station, that their Al Qaeda is fully
42:48
perfected as stated by Rasul Allah?
42:51
And therefore wherever they stood is where those who enter
42:55
paradise should have stood. And in the same sense where Imam
42:58
Hussein and Imam Hassan Alayhi Musalam stood in Jamal, stood in
43:01
Safin, stood in Karbala and those who stood with them on
43:05
these sides, is that not an indication of what the perfected
43:08
al Qaeda is? Sorry.
43:09
Just as an extension, you know, let's make it even more simple
43:12
than that. You know, put put Imam and
43:14
Hassan, Imam Hassan on the side for a moment.
43:16
Let's just kind of speak in the language of Muslims in general,
43:19
right? The rightly guided Khalifas.
43:21
Can we agree that Ali have never thought of as a rightly guided
43:23
Khalifa? I think, I think all Muslims
43:25
would be like, OK, whether we're Shia or Sunni.
43:27
Ali is rightly guided. When rightly.
43:31
Guided is being fought against. Does it make?
43:35
Does it, doesn't it make the opposition wrongly guided?
43:37
Of course, Yeah. It's really that simple.
43:42
So how can how can you be rightly guided and also those
43:46
who fought you are rightly guided.
43:48
And then Imam Hussein, Alayhi, Saeed, Shabab, Al Jannah.
43:52
And he's also being fought by people who are all the alarm.
43:54
Yanni, as we say in Iraq, what it is a mezela.
43:57
Yeah. How much, Yanni?
43:58
What kind of agenda is this that has no standards?
44:02
Yanni Jenna has no. Standards that hat and bottle
44:06
are that blurred and and like nothing matters anymore it's
44:09
just a misunderstanding. It's just a misunderstanding.
44:12
Yeah yeah I mean as they say, you know whatever allows people
44:15
to sleep at night. I think ultimately we have to
44:18
face a loss of Hana Mata Allah. And we have we're held
44:21
accountable for our actions and our beliefs.
44:25
And yeah, I think the I think the truth is, is, is evident.
44:29
Is the truth bitter? Yeah, the truth is bitter.
44:31
You see, the the problem is, is say the idea was asking, you
44:34
know, what is it Is, is this kind of an intentional omission?
44:37
Listen, I don't want to get into a conversation about intentions.
44:40
Allah knows what's in people's hearts.
44:41
But I'll tell you this, Karabella opens up a lot of
44:46
uncomfortable questions. It's easier not.
44:50
To open up Pandora's box, because Karabella is Pandora's
44:53
box. So when you look at.
44:56
Karabella, OK Omara bin Saad is appointed by who?
45:02
Ibn Ziad? Ibn Ziad is appointed by who?
45:05
Yazid. OK how did the Yazid come into
45:07
power? Muawiya Ravi Allahuhan was
45:11
appointed by who? Abu Baker.
45:13
It was by Omar. So if you, you can literally
45:19
draw a line from the massacre of Imam and Hussein back to Satifa.
45:27
So if you think of Satifa as if you look at it as 2 trees, one
45:32
tree produced a fruit or a rotten fruit like Yazid and
45:40
another tree which is the household of the prophet
45:43
Shahjaratun Nubua that produced Hussein.
45:48
I know which tree I want to belong to.
45:49
I know which tree I want to take my spiritual nourishment from.
45:54
So it's it's it's really. About.
45:57
Asking, I mean I. Think there's there's a
45:59
reluctance to go down that path because guess what, you're not
46:03
going to get good answers you're.
46:05
Going to be told. It's not in your business.
46:08
Just focus on your Salah. It was a fit.
46:11
Now Allah's not going to ask you about it, right?
46:15
So don't, don't get involved, right?
46:18
So. And I, and I think that this,
46:20
this mentality is, is actually is actually very, very
46:24
dangerous, right? Because.
46:27
A loss of Hana Matala. Ultimately wants us.
46:30
To find the straight. Path and the straight path is
46:33
not this ambiguous abstract idea.
46:37
Every day in Salah he didn't Salah Mustafim guide us to the
46:39
straight path. What is the straight path?
46:41
Sarah Paladina and I'm Talahim. The straight path is embodied by
46:47
certain individuals. So I need to figure.
46:50
Out who are Aladina and I'm Talahim.
46:54
I also because the. Quran says What does the Quran
46:56
say? This is a very important I am.
46:59
This is a a direct. Command of Allah, all you
47:06
believe, do not take as your olia, as your guardians those
47:13
who have incurred the wrath of God.
47:15
So if someone. Among the companions of.
47:18
The Prophet, if they have angered Allah, Allah says don't
47:21
make him your Willy. So this brings us back to.
47:25
What? You, you bring this ayah.
47:28
You place it beside the hadith about Fatima to Zara.
47:32
Anyone who angers Fatima to Zara, according to the Quran, I
47:35
cannot make him wipe my welly. But unfortunately, what do
47:38
Muslims do? The one who angered Fatima,
47:42
angered the Prophet, angered Allah.
47:45
You guys made them your. Leaders.
47:47
And you wonder why the? Muslim is in shambles.
47:50
Can I add another misconception or another statement which we we
47:54
had a lot during the days, the 10 nights and this was coming
47:59
out from some of the major speakers in the UK, Madhali
48:04
speakers, these Hyde Park corner speakers, corner debaters who we
48:09
don't give much attention to because giving oxygen to that
48:11
encourages a form of dialogue which we don't believe is
48:14
befitting of the Akhlaq of the AL Abeita Lehman Salam Nord,
48:17
their followers. But one thing which we heard
48:20
said Ali will verify because we we sent this video to me saying
48:23
is that the killers of ABBA Abdullah were the Shia are
48:26
themselves. And we hear this every year,
48:28
year in year out, without fail, anytime Imam Hussein's mentioned
48:32
the Shia Amor for Hussein, the Shia.
48:34
I love Hussein to say yeah, but the Shia are the ones who killed
48:36
the Imam. My personal opinion if I can
48:38
share, please correct me if I'm wrong.
48:40
Shahna, Firstly I believe the ones who abandoned and and did
48:44
not stand with the Imam were at fault.
48:46
Of course they were silent and they choose not to stand with
48:50
the Imam. Were they Shia theologically?
48:54
No, I don't believe so. I believe that they may have
48:57
been Shia with a small S on a political level, those who
49:00
pledged a political allegiance to the holy Imam Ali Salaam, but
49:03
they were not those who followed theologically.
49:05
The Imam in the core sense of Willaya and Imam as it should
49:09
have been followed and had they been those people, then they
49:12
would have been like the 72 in Karbala or however many of there
49:15
were. What is the response we should
49:18
give? Because of course, like I said,
49:20
this is something we hear year in year out.
49:22
So you want, you want to keep it just very simple.
49:24
You don't even need to go into any of these details.
49:27
Imam and Hussein on the day of Ashura, he's speaking to the
49:29
army of Amar of Assad. He's speaking to his enemies.
49:32
What does he say? Yashi at Al ABI Sufyan, There
49:37
you go, game of. He doesn't say my Shia, why did
49:39
you betray me? He calls the army on the other
49:43
side the Shia of Al Abu Sufyan. That's it.
49:48
That's it. Case closed.
49:50
Case closed. We don't need to go into details
49:52
and act like this is an argument that requires, you know,
49:55
research. Imam Hussein called them yashi
49:58
at Al ABI Sufyan. That's it.
50:01
Next question. I said, I said said that.
50:03
Some other one. Yeah, that's like you put the
50:06
argument to an end. I mean, this is this is a, an
50:09
individual. I shared the clip today with
50:11
you. Someone comes in year and year
50:13
out, any opportunity he has to say that Shia killed Imam
50:16
Hussein. And because they killed Imam
50:18
Hussein, now they beat themselves as a punishment from
50:20
Allah. Have you heard this one?
50:22
Yeah, of course. Like, it's they even try to,
50:25
like, belittle the Aza that we have, the mourning that we have
50:28
for the beloved grandson of Rasoolallah.
50:29
And they know. They know Rasoolallah said
50:32
Hossein and Mini 1 Hussain. They know that Rasoolallah said
50:35
Habalam and Haba Hussein. You know, on top of the
50:38
misinformation that they tell their listeners and their
50:41
audience and their congregation, on top of that, I want to know
50:44
why do people find it easy to mock the lovers of Imam Al
50:51
Hussein A Shia when we mourn about Abdullah?
50:56
You know, I think that there are probably some of them if we want
51:02
to give them the benefit of the doubt, who might see Shias as
51:06
misguided. Yeah.
51:08
But I would say that let's let's assume and for someone to come
51:11
and. Say like hypothetically, Yeah,
51:13
let's. Say that there's someone who's
51:14
not Shia that truly believes the Shias are misguided.
51:17
OK, fine. You're a Muslim, right?
51:20
You believe in the Quran. OK, If you think I'm misguided,
51:28
if you think I'm someone who's lost, I'm a deviant, at least
51:31
speak to me with wisdom. Have good luck.
51:34
Why are you mocking me? Is that?
51:36
Is that how the Prophet was? So it's.
51:39
Very interesting that in their attempt to guide us, they're
51:44
actually violating a Quranic instruction, which is if you
51:48
really believe that these people are misguided, where is your
51:51
clock? You know, why is it that you,
51:53
you know a lot look at the at least if you, if you don't think
51:56
we're Muslim, at least have the decency to speak to us the way
52:01
that the Prophet would speak to Ahil Kitab.
52:05
So I think, I think. The problem is, I mean,
52:08
sometimes, I mean, you don't know whether to, to get angry or
52:10
to, you know, to laugh or to cry.
52:13
A lot of these people, they're brainwashed, they're brainwashed
52:17
and you know, sometimes just as as as brother Ahmed mentioned,
52:22
sometimes you have to remind yourself of the Quranic verse,
52:25
whether just keep on keep on mocking.
52:29
And by the way, next year is the is going to be bigger and you
52:33
know what your. Son and your.
52:35
Grandson is probably going to become Shia anyway.
52:40
It's the reality the. Game's the game, right?
52:42
And you. But, you know, I'm not saying
52:44
that to sound cocky. Yeah.
52:45
Yeah. Because all all it, all it, you
52:52
know, the truth just has to arrive to knockout falsehood it
52:57
like there doesn't even need to actually be like a fight between
52:59
Hut and Botlin. All you know how much money is
53:02
spent on propaganda. You know, it's kind of funny
53:05
that all this, all these resources to scare people away
53:10
from the Shia and then some Muslim randomly comes to a
53:15
Masjid on the day of Outafit and he listens to the dua of Imam
53:20
Hussein and he's like, you know, what if if Dua al Imam al
53:23
Hussein Yom out of it, It's that shirk dude.
53:25
Sign me up, AMA Mushrik. What I'm trying to say is.
53:29
That it's pure to hate. Like sometimes all it takes to
53:33
undo all of this propaganda is just to show them, let them read
53:37
the, the, the, the duas that I had to debate themselves.
53:41
So it's all to me, it's all background.
53:42
It is, it is, you know, this, this tsunami, this Husseini
53:47
tsunami. Is is.
53:50
Something that that cannot be blocked.
53:53
That's it. It's gonna, it's gonna, it's
53:55
gonna take over. And I think if you look at the
53:57
the political situation around the world, you know, there is,
54:01
there is a new interest, it's kindled an interest in people
54:06
to. Research.
54:07
Like what? What is it about Shia Islam that
54:12
creates people who are so defiant, so unwavering?
54:18
You know, there's, it's like an, it's like a noble defiance.
54:23
And all of these people. Have one thing in common.
54:26
Labeka Abdullah Labeka Hussein. So I my humble suggestion is,
54:32
you know, to all of your listeners, especially those who
54:34
are non-muslim or non Shia, read don't be blind sheep.
54:40
Do your own investigation and any, any scholar of any method
54:44
that says all, be careful. You know, these people are
54:46
misguided, you know? No Shia.
54:52
Scholar is ever going to say to you don't read Muslim, Ahmed bin
54:55
Hamdan, don't read Bukhari as a as a shitty student of
55:00
knowledge, Ask any Shia scholar, they'll say read Bukhari, read
55:04
Muslim, read Tariq. But you read whatever you want
55:07
because that's how confident we are that we are upon the we know
55:12
that the answers are all there. I'm not getting.
55:14
Yeah. And we're not living in the
55:15
Middle Ages where like, you know, don't read this book.
55:17
We're going to, you know, burn these books at the stakes.
55:19
Grow up. Grow up.
55:22
And you know, you mentioned just a final point for me before we
55:25
wrap up, but this, the propaganda machine against us
55:29
won't succeed forever. When you look at the political
55:32
stakes. You mentioned of course, the new
55:33
interest in Shiism said, and I were talking about this on a
55:37
recent discussion, Senator Marco Rubio coming out and talking
55:40
about the the Shia and the eschatological background and
55:44
who is the Mehdi and why they're working towards this messianical
55:47
figure and all of this. Everything will come back.
55:50
The truth will prevail. Imam and Mehdi Arjala, Arjala to
55:54
Allah for Ajal Sharif will come and he will say those five
55:57
statements that that about of which three of them are about
55:59
his grandfather, about Abdullah. And when he talks about my
56:02
grandfather who died thirsty and the Kharib and Akshan and all of
56:06
these things, people will be asking.
56:08
That's the same Hussein who I heard about, who my colleague
56:12
told me about, which I saw on the street.
56:14
And this brings us to another important point and maybe we'll
56:17
conclude with this. The story of Imam.
56:21
Hussein Alayhi Salaam is the story that is going to ignite
56:28
the final revolution in this world.
56:30
Why in the beginning, what did we say?
56:32
What was the underlying message of Imam Hussein which is related
56:37
to Torhid? At the end of Do I lift it?
56:40
Ah, what do we say Allahum in Narabu Ile kafi dolatin?
56:48
The government. Of Imam Sahib Zaman is a
56:51
government that upholds the Karam of human beings and the
56:56
most inspiring story about the dignity of the human being is
57:03
the story of Imam Hussein. That's that's the.
57:06
Manifesto of human dignity, yeah.
57:08
So that that's the connection. And that's why it's really,
57:11
really important that we export and we propagate the narrative
57:18
of of Karbala because that that's the story.
57:23
That's the story that's going to get people involved.
57:27
That's the story that's going to inspire people.
57:30
This is the story that creates, you know, the axis of
57:34
resistance. This is the story that is really
57:38
the final hope. I mean this, this is the final
57:40
hope against degeneracy in the world.
57:44
So. I think that that's where we see
57:47
the connection and I think we're, we're, we're blessed to,
57:52
to listen to the story year after year, year.
57:55
And it's, you know, the, the story of Karabella is, is a very
57:59
beautiful blend of grief and hope.
58:05
We grieve. What happened to?
58:08
Imam and Hussein Arias Salaam, but we also have hope that.
58:14
What Hussein was. Seeking will be achieved by Imam
58:17
and Mehdi and I, I mean I if with your permission, I just
58:20
want to read for you just the first couple of statements from
58:25
the last dua of Imam and Hussein.
58:28
And as we said, you, you can measure the greatness of a
58:33
person by by the final chapter. So what was the final?
58:38
Chapter of Hussein. The final chapter of Imam and
58:41
Hussein was communion with Allah.
58:43
But look at what he says. He says Allahumma.
58:46
Enter Theati Fiqulikar. He says, oh Allah, you are my
58:54
trust. You're the one who I trust in,
58:56
in every affliction, every tragedy, not just the tragedy of
58:59
Karbala. From the beginning of my life, I
59:03
always trusted you. And then what does he say?
59:06
What? Enter Ajahi.
59:11
What enter? Ajahi Fiqulishid.
59:15
And you are my. Hope in every severe
59:19
tribulation. What hope?
59:22
You know, if you look at Imam. Hussein Ali Salaam, he lost
59:25
everything. What do you mean hope?
59:26
What hope? Imam Hussein is.
59:31
Teaching us that no matter what happens to you in this life,
59:34
don't ever lose hope in Allah. His last words were I have so
59:40
much hope in God. Imam Hussein.
59:43
Looking around, you know. He reject he.
59:48
Rejected and condemned what was happening to his family, but at
59:52
the same time, Imam Hussein was content with the system of God.
59:59
And the system of God does not leave any good deed without
1:00:02
reward, and it doesn't. It doesn't leave any oppression
1:00:07
without punishment. That That's Hussein.
1:00:11
And I think that you need to live in this world with that
1:00:14
spirit that yes, a lot of bad things are happening, But you
1:00:17
know what? I'm pleased with the system of
1:00:20
God. I have hope.
1:00:23
That the scores will. Be settled one day, right?
1:00:26
And the the. Oppressors, the oppressors will
1:00:28
be punished and the good doers will be rewarded, you know, and
1:00:31
it reminds me of the the Ziata of Imam and Hussein in the
1:00:36
middle of Shaban. And maybe I think this is
1:00:38
probably the best way to end where we say to Imam and Hussein
1:00:42
ash had to Eneka putilt. Well, I'm Tamut.
1:00:48
I bear witness that you were killed.
1:00:50
But you didn't die. Bell be Raja.
1:01:00
It's through. You were your perpetual life.
1:01:04
You look around, Imam and Hussein is so alive today.
1:01:07
It's through your perpetual life that you give us life.
1:01:12
And I think that every time we step into the majlis of Imam
1:01:15
Hussein, we feel like we come back to life because we're never
1:01:21
going to allow the darkness and the corruption of this world to
1:01:26
kill our hearts. As long as we have Imam Hussein
1:01:29
Ali Salaam, we have hearts that are alive.
1:01:32
And I think the world needs more people with with beating hearts,
1:01:36
with hearts that are alive so. This so beautifully sure and we
1:01:40
Allah bless you do the topic to continue serving the EHRL debate
1:01:44
and Imam Hussein Ali has Salaam. I really love how you bring
1:01:48
those finals same as I am converse with the last panel of
1:01:51
Italian. Remind me of also other moments
1:01:53
during the day of Ashura, even at the very final moment when he
1:01:56
was holding. After Ravi in his.
1:02:00
Hands and he says you know I love this is what pleases you.
1:02:03
Take all you want from me, and what makes it easy for me is to
1:02:06
know that this is under your watchful eyes.
1:02:08
Yeah. I mean, there is myself.
1:02:09
There is there is a day of judgment.
1:02:10
Like even sometimes we reference resident, like many people ask,
1:02:13
for example, like, how are these people getting away with murder?
1:02:16
Like, how is like Netanyahu just walking around?
1:02:19
But there is a lot. There is a day of judgment where
1:02:22
they will be held accountable, you know, and and.
1:02:25
You know, sometimes we have to always remind ourselves that.
1:02:28
This life. Is so short on the day of
1:02:32
judgement, we're all going to look back and say libeth Nyomen
1:02:35
Obama Yom. It was just a day or part of a
1:02:38
day. Well, in the Ahiratellahi al
1:02:41
Hayawan. The real life.
1:02:44
Is is after death, you know, and you know the last letter that
1:02:48
Imam Hussein wrote, the last written letter was what he wrote
1:02:50
to Muhammad al Hanifiya, his brother.
1:02:53
The shortest letter. You know what he says?
1:02:55
Such a beautiful, eloquent statement, Imam and Hussein Ali
1:03:00
Salaam says to his brother. Can the Dunya lemtaquin?
1:03:06
It's as if this world. Never was.
1:03:08
It's fleeting, it's so short. What can?
1:03:12
It's as if the hereafter is all that there ever was.
1:03:22
Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.
1:03:24
I have one suggestion by the way, please.
1:03:26
What is it like? Almost.
1:03:28
So instead of I think you should change your shows name to before
1:03:32
Feijo instead of aftermath. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:03:35
May Allah Subhanahu Taala bless you guys.
1:03:36
And of course, may Allah bless the eyes of say the ID for his
1:03:40
tears. May Allah bless all of you for
1:03:41
your tears. And may Allah bless our parents
1:03:46
for raising us with they would I have a headed bait.
1:03:50
Thank you for having for your time and brothers sisters.
1:03:53
I'm sure it goes without saying that you would have benefited
1:03:56
from from this discussion. Sure as much as we have.
1:04:00
This has been eye opening, enlightening and and we thank
1:04:04
the Sheikh for his time inshallah.
1:04:06
Sorry, it's been different. Yeah, yeah, different length I
1:04:09
think we needed. This I think we needed this
1:04:11
Sheikh as individuals and inshallah as a community.
1:04:14
And we prayed to our last Montana to give the Sheikh more
1:04:16
Tofiq to allow him to continue serving the Alabaita Leh of
1:04:19
Salaam through throughout his life in Shah Alayan.
1:04:22
To give him the strength to continue the strength to
1:04:24
continue the message of about the Alayhi Salaam far and wide
1:04:27
across the world until his last breath.
1:04:29
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