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Florida hostage standoff claims lives of 4 children, new bizarre twist in murder of bride-to-be, Rachel DelTondo · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Suspect is barricaded in his apartment.
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Speaker 1: He has four hostages, all children. When you're dealing with
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Speaker 1: children in a hostage situation, it can be a long process.
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Speaker 1: The right words are crucial. We've talked to several times.
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Speaker 1: OPD hostage negotiators have had roughly half a dozen conversations
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Speaker 1: by cell phone with this suspect. Investigators say he barricaded
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Speaker 1: himself and said an apartment Sunday following a domestic dispute
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Speaker 1: with his girlfriend. There was a woman who had met
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Speaker 1: her officers off site and related to our officers that
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend had battered her. And at some point there
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Speaker 1: was a change of gunfire. We saw from the window.
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Speaker 1: It was it would blood out his face. I think
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Speaker 1: he was shot someone wearing the face or something here.
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Speaker 1: It was horrible. It all started off with an argument
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Speaker 1: between a boyfriend and a girlfriend. By the end of it,
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Speaker 1: five people are dead, an officer is wounded. Why did
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Speaker 1: it in this way? We all went to bed last
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Speaker 1: night praying that these four tiny children would survive. A
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Speaker 1: hostage standoff in Orlando, Florida, No one could take in
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Speaker 1: that their own dad, two of them, and mommy's boyfriend
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Speaker 1: to the other two would actually take their lives. We
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Speaker 1: woke up this morning to the worst news. All four
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Speaker 1: children are dead. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What happened and how
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Speaker 1: could it have been stopped? I'm talking about Gary Wayne
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Jr. Thirty five years old, allegedly gets into an
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Speaker 1: argument with his girlfriend when police are called. Instead of
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Speaker 1: walking out with his hands in the air, he starts
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Speaker 1: shooting at police officers. One officer struck during gunfire exchange.
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Speaker 1: He's at the hospital where he had to undergo surgery,
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Speaker 1: and then he barricades himself inside the apartment there in Orlando, Florida,
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Speaker 1: taking the four children hostage, to his biological children, to
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Speaker 1: the biological children of the girlfriend. A man accused of
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Speaker 1: battering his girlfriend shoots an officer and barricades himself in
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Speaker 1: a Florida apartment. Joining me right now, Crime Stories investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter John Limley now New York psychologist Karen Stark, former cop,
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Speaker 1: current private investigator Vincent Hill. John Limley just it's so
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Speaker 1: hard for me to take in that This all unfolded
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Speaker 1: really right before our eyes, and when we all fell
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Speaker 1: asleep last night, there was some of the last words
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Speaker 1: on my lips. Lord, please protect those four little children
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Speaker 1: and be with the cop in surgery. What happened, John Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This was a long, almost twenty four hour or deal.
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Speaker 1: The standoff began at some point in the later hours
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Speaker 1: of Sunday. They received a call around five Sunday. A
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Speaker 1: woman called said she had been beaten by Gary Wayne
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Speaker 1: Lindsay at the Westbrook Apartments. The woman had fled the
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Speaker 1: second story apartment to a nearby restaurant on Kirkman Road.
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Speaker 1: Uh to actually call police. Officers tried to arrest Lindsay
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Speaker 1: at the apartment and that's when the shootout began and
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Speaker 1: the reality of it all to Vincent Hill, former private investigator,
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Speaker 1: is on a domestic very often, the cops go in,
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Speaker 1: they remove the purp, which is typically the man from
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Speaker 1: the scene. He might get a simple battery at trial
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Speaker 1: from slapping or hitting the woman. He might get a
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Speaker 1: temporary restraining order. He might be ordered off the premises
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Speaker 1: and usually, sadly that's all that happens. That was what
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Speaker 1: he was facing. Am I right about that Vincent. You're
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Speaker 1: absolutely right, Nancy. But the thing about domestics, and I've
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Speaker 1: been in a hostage situation which stems from a domestic
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Speaker 1: it's the most dangerous situation for a cop to go to.
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Speaker 1: You have the motions that are running high. It's hard
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Speaker 1: to de escalate that scene. And unfortunately, that's what happened
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Speaker 1: here in Orlando Sunday night. You know, I kept telling
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Speaker 1: you this to Alan, Do you joining me from l A.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the high school teacher, Tag Cummins that
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Speaker 1: made off with the student, leaving his wife and his
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Speaker 1: world behind, and he's finally found across the country in
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Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, hiding out in some commune. Remember I
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Speaker 1: kept saying, I'm so worried this is going to escalate
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Speaker 1: into a hostage situation. I just had that on my
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Speaker 1: mind so heavily. Do you remember that, Alan, do? I? Yes,
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Speaker 1: we watched that drama unfold across the country for weeks
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Speaker 1: and we were very worried because this guy had said
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Speaker 1: that he had guns. He had guns, all right, he
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Speaker 1: certainly did. And you know in these situations, Kire and
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Speaker 1: start New York psychologist is so volatile. One of my well,
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Speaker 1: my best girlfriend. When I was prosecuting defense lawyer, she
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Speaker 1: dealt with dopers, killers, molesters, you name it. She said
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Speaker 1: she'd rather defend a doper, a dope lord than get
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Speaker 1: involved in a divorce or a domestic because he gets
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Speaker 1: so heated and so crazy, they'll drive by the lawyer's
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Speaker 1: house and take a shot at them. So, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's a sad comment when you'd rather handle a dope
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Speaker 1: lord and defend them then stick your hand between two
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Speaker 1: people fighting in a domestic because the emotions are so charged, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I really do understand it that there's aggression, there's anger, rage,
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Speaker 1: and impulsiveness, as you can see in this particular situation.
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Speaker 1: Back to you, John Linley, Crime Stories investigative reporter John, So,
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Speaker 1: there's a domestic he's beating her um. Having worked at
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Speaker 1: the Battered Women's Center for nine years in the evenings
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Speaker 1: as a volunteer, it escalates so quickly. What police have
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Speaker 1: to do is try to get in there and de
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Speaker 1: escalate it. What happened well, when this shootout began, Orlando
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Speaker 1: police officer was struck almost immediately. This officer, Kevin Valencia,
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Speaker 1: he suffered a significant injury. He's recovering after surgery, listed
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Speaker 1: in critical condition at that moment, this is almost twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours after the standoff began. H officers use some
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Speaker 1: sort of explosive to get into the apartment to try
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Speaker 1: to rescue the children, and as soon as they enter,
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Speaker 1: they see one child right there on the on the
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Speaker 1: floor next to the front door, already dead. Four children
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Speaker 1: found dead after a standoff, a hostage situation right here.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like it is in some other country.
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Speaker 1: It's so so horrible. They go in to find the
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Speaker 1: four children dead. What do we know about this guy?
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Speaker 1: What provoked him? What went wrong? Vincent Hill, private investigator,
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Speaker 1: You and I have both taken apart in hostage situations before.
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Speaker 1: Um me as looking at it to prosecute it. You
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Speaker 1: in the thick of it. What is the s o
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Speaker 1: P standard operating procedure in a hostage situation, especially when
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Speaker 1: there are children involved? And the answer, you definitely want
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Speaker 1: to de escalate the situation because an officer's job number
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Speaker 1: one is perservation of life. You have to protect and serve, right,
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Speaker 1: so you want to protect those children in there, So
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Speaker 1: you want to do all you can to de escalate
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Speaker 1: the situation to get that individual to eventually come out.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think this individual even had that in
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Speaker 1: his hands. But how do you do it? How do
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Speaker 1: you do it? Don't don't talk, Police can talk to me.
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Speaker 1: How do you convince somebody to put their gun down
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Speaker 1: and let the children live? So it takes time to answer.
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Speaker 1: You have to get them to think that you're on
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Speaker 1: their side and that you want to see this through.
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Speaker 1: Once you start getting them to believe you're on their
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Speaker 1: that's when you start to build that trust, and eventually
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Speaker 1: they do that. How long did this go on? The standoff?
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Speaker 1: John Limley The entire timeline from start to finish was
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Speaker 1: approximately twenty hours that all of this took place. Of course,
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Speaker 1: they're still trying to determine at which point, uh the
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Speaker 1: gunman actually killed himself as well. After twenty hours of standoff,
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Speaker 1: police find Gary Wayne Lindsay Jr. Dead in a closet,
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Speaker 1: apparently from a self inflicted gunshot wound. All four children
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Speaker 1: he was holding hostage dead from gunshot wounds. Listen, We
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Speaker 1: made entry j Marvin and found that for all four children,
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Speaker 1: I've been rolled by the suspect by parent crackshot woun
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Speaker 1: and appears to the suspects accusing my name as well.
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Speaker 1: Our hearts go out to all the families. Bob and
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Speaker 1: I know everyone has a lot of questions very early
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Speaker 1: on in this investigation of this scene. Also want union
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Speaker 1: update on Officer Kevin Valencia. Um. He remains in critical condition.
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Speaker 1: UM so we're still last moved for the loss of
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Speaker 1: prayers moving as well. This is going down at about
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Speaker 1: twelve thirty a m. Last night. It is unclear when
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Speaker 1: thirty five year old Lindsay actually killed the children where
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Speaker 1: they killed. At the very beginning, we don't know. Their
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Speaker 1: age is one, six, ten and eleven. So you know,
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Speaker 1: the ten year old and the eleven year old knew
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Speaker 1: what was happening while they were being held hostage. They
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Speaker 1: knew they were away from mommy. My children are ten.
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Speaker 1: They still believe in Santa Claus and to think what
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Speaker 1: this guy did to them. A police officer taking a
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Speaker 1: bullet wound, having to undergo surgery in the night, all
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Speaker 1: starting over a domestic incident. What do we know about
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Speaker 1: this guy, this guy whose name will forever be in infamy,
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Speaker 1: Gary Wayne Lindsay Jr. John Linley, What do we know
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Speaker 1: about him? Records date all the way back to two
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Speaker 1: thousand eight, showing that Lindsay was at the time this
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Speaker 1: weekend on felony probation, having pleaded no contest to chatter
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Speaker 1: charges of arson of a dwelling, willful fleeing or eluding
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Speaker 1: law enforcement, and domestic battery um even as recently as
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Speaker 1: twelve another incident shows that he was arrested on domestic violence,
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Speaker 1: another incident involving a woman at an apartment complex. And
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Speaker 1: it's still unclear how he was able to continue down
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Speaker 1: this path of you may be out walking free with
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Speaker 1: all those convictions and on probation and promo precisely, precisely
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Speaker 1: law enforced saying that they were in constant contact with
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Speaker 1: Lindsay throughout these twenty hours and that he was on
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Speaker 1: his cell phone. His cell phone was connected via WiFi.
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Speaker 1: The connection was, as they say, spotty. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: what those children are going through. They want to go
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Speaker 1: to their mommy's. He's got them up in the night.
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Speaker 1: He's on the cell phone. Now. Cops continue to use
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Speaker 1: others to contact him, but around eight thirty in the evening,
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Speaker 1: they try to get him one of their phones so
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Speaker 1: they can talk to him more directly, and the cop
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Speaker 1: in charge of handing that phone over noticed immediately this
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Speaker 1: is an eight thirty that one of the children were
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Speaker 1: visibly dead. So one child we know of was dead
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Speaker 1: at eight thirty pm. Around nine o'clock, there was a
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Speaker 1: loud boom. The sound was near the entrance to the apartment,
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Speaker 1: and that is where they find Lindsay and all four
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Speaker 1: children dead. Two of the children were his, the other
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Speaker 1: two were related to the woman who went out of
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Speaker 1: the apartment at the beginning. A lot of people this
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Speaker 1: morning pointing the finger at her. Why is it always
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Speaker 1: that way? Why didn't she take the children with her?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but she's not the one that pulled
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Speaker 1: the trigger on four little children. A domestic violence case
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Speaker 1: explodes in the headlines. Listen to what law enforcement says
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Speaker 1: in a late night pressor how how did all happened?
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Speaker 1: How did the children die? How did the suspect done?
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Speaker 1: So the children died from a parent gunshow moves and
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Speaker 1: it appears the suspect took his life as well. Pointed
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Speaker 1: around nine o'clock that you guys went and entered the
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Speaker 1: home on the exact time. It's approximate time. When's the
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Speaker 1: last time you spoke to the suspect. We have been
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Speaker 1: constant contact both directly and indirectly throughout the day, Um
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Speaker 1: and as late as the nine o'clock hour. When from
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Speaker 1: the suspect? Though, that's when? When did you hear from
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Speaker 1: the suspect last? The last time we made a contact
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Speaker 1: with the suspect was indirectly around the around the eight
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Speaker 1: thirty nine o'clock hour. When do you when do you
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Speaker 1: think the children were killed? We have no idea when
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Speaker 1: those four children lost their lives. That will all be
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Speaker 1: part of the investigation. Do you believe we heard a
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Speaker 1: big boom around nine o'clock? Was that? How did that happen?
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Speaker 1: Wasn't you guys got indication from the suspect that something
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Speaker 1: bad had happened? Is that why you went in the
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Speaker 1: so earlier tonight? Um? Like I said, we had been
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Speaker 1: in direct and indirect contact with the suspect. At one point, Um,
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Speaker 1: we were having trouble um with the suspects phone. He
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Speaker 1: had one of those WiFi only phone so, uh, the
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Speaker 1: connection really wasn't good. And although we're talking gets him
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Speaker 1: through other means. We wanted to talk to him on
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Speaker 1: the phone. You want to hitch you. We tried to
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Speaker 1: introduce one of our owns. And when we did that,
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Speaker 1: we noticed one of the child Uh. One of the
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Speaker 1: children were obviously deceased them uh. And that's why we
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Speaker 1: decided to start our our plans to to make a
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Speaker 1: treat try and rescue resting Shil. Was he dead when
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24:06
Speaker 1: initially published the police report that resulted in Deltonda's firing
24:11
Speaker 1: and she He has been on the story since the
24:14
Speaker 1: very very beginning. John Paul Vranessovitch, thank you so much
24:19
Speaker 1: for being with us. It's hard to say, let's start
24:22
Speaker 1: at the beginning in a story like this, but let's
24:25
Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Then we'll circle back to why
24:27
Speaker 1: are all the cops getting fired over this? Start at
24:30
Speaker 1: the beginning, John Paul. The beginning of the story when
24:32
Speaker 1: I covered it, um was late last year in October,
24:36
Speaker 1: when I received a anonymous email that contained a leak
24:40
Speaker 1: from the al equipped the Police Department of sensitive law
24:45
Speaker 1: enforcement database information related to Rachel Deltondo. It was information
24:50
Speaker 1: for a while we KI in Pennsylvania call our Janet system,
24:53
Speaker 1: which is a justice net system that keeps information about individuals.
24:58
Speaker 1: Uh information such as your driver's license to data that
25:02
Speaker 1: sort of data. It got leaked from the department. Okay,
25:05
Speaker 1: hold on just a moment, guys again with me. The
25:08
Speaker 1: man who originally broke the story, John Paul von Chevitz
25:13
Speaker 1: with the Beaver County and dot Com. John Paul, I
25:17
Speaker 1: recall in the District Attorney's office and when I was
25:20
Speaker 1: a FED, we had access to all sorts of private information.
25:25
Speaker 1: And I never really thought twice about it, John Paul,
25:27
Speaker 1: I mean I never thought about, Wow, I could copy
25:30
Speaker 1: this and leak it to somebody. I would just you know,
25:33
Speaker 1: for instance, a bond hearing, Alright, I had a bond
25:35
Speaker 1: hearing in the afternoon. I'd race back and run an
25:37
Speaker 1: n C, I C into g C. I see in
25:39
Speaker 1: other words, UH federal report and a state report on
25:44
Speaker 1: whoever was trying to get a bond uh printed off
25:46
Speaker 1: and run out of the office over to the courthouse.
25:49
Speaker 1: I never realized, or even considered at my fingertips, was
25:54
Speaker 1: the ability to destroy people's lives. But that's what happened here.
25:59
Speaker 1: And I wasn't thinking, oh, this is a secure computer.
26:03
Speaker 1: Nobody can get this unless they've had a fingerprint and
26:06
Speaker 1: a lie detector and blah blah blah. But that's exactly
26:09
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, John Paul. Yeah. Along with that
26:12
Speaker 1: sense of information, Also included in the leak that I
26:15
Speaker 1: received was a copy of a police report related to
26:19
Speaker 1: an incident back in February in which Rachel Deltondo was
26:24
Speaker 1: discovered by Aliquippa police with a seventeen year old student
26:28
Speaker 1: at about two o'clock in the morning in a parked car.
26:32
Speaker 1: Uh in a parking lot. Hold on, John Paul, I'm sorry,
26:35
Speaker 1: but you know every sentence you you you utter is
26:39
Speaker 1: like a trip wire. It's like a bomb blowing up. Guys,
26:42
Speaker 1: did you hear what John Paul just said? Karen Stark
26:45
Speaker 1: joining me renown New York psychologists. You know, he he
26:48
Speaker 1: just trips off his tongue, you know, But did you
26:51
Speaker 1: hear what he said before her engagement was broken? She's
26:55
Speaker 1: caught by cops in a car. There's nothing wrong with
26:59
Speaker 1: sitting in a are But as I always say, Karen,
27:02
Speaker 1: nothing good happens after midnight two am in a car
27:06
Speaker 1: parked in a parking lot with a teen boy in
27:10
Speaker 1: the car. The cars turned off and the windows are
27:12
Speaker 1: all steamed up. That's not a good look here in start,
27:14
Speaker 1: and then her engagement is broken off. But it's not
27:17
Speaker 1: just that it's a bad look, Nancy. Here's somebody who
27:21
Speaker 1: is in a position of authority and she's with a
27:24
Speaker 1: seventeen year old in a parked car, a boy, and
27:29
Speaker 1: she's taking advantage of this particular child. If this allegation
27:34
Speaker 1: is true, hold on, hold on just a moment, hold
27:37
Speaker 1: your horses, and Ellie Crime Online dot Com reporter Ellen
27:41
Speaker 1: Kilaurin Ellen Street name e k Ellen. There was never
27:47
Speaker 1: any well not a suggestion. Everybody suggested it, but there's
27:51
Speaker 1: never any proof that she had any type of indecent relation.
27:57
Speaker 1: Let me just put it that way, since you know
28:00
Speaker 1: on serious X and I don't know if my twins
28:03
Speaker 1: might turn it on. There was never any proof that
28:06
Speaker 1: any relations are going on in the car, Isn't that true?
28:11
Speaker 1: That's correct. She and the boy were both questioned. They
28:15
Speaker 1: both said that they were just talking, that there was
28:18
Speaker 1: nothing going on, and they were both released. Um I
28:21
Speaker 1: have heard and perhaps John can seak to this as well,
28:24
Speaker 1: that she had begged, even though she said there was
28:27
Speaker 1: nothing going on, she had begged no want to talk
28:30
Speaker 1: about it because she didn't want her fiance to find
28:32
Speaker 1: out at the time. But she was never charged with
28:35
Speaker 1: any wrong joint Is that true? John paul I had
28:38
Speaker 1: talked to Rachel d'altona before her death and she had denied.
28:41
Speaker 1: She had denied saying that. But reporter is is correct
28:45
Speaker 1: that that that stment is in a in the police
28:47
Speaker 1: report from Alquippa Police. But there's where we get another
28:50
Speaker 1: interesting turn. Although this incident happened in February of the
28:55
Speaker 1: police released both individuals, no one was charged at the time.
28:59
Speaker 1: They didn't enter a pour into their system until a
29:02
Speaker 1: year later, sometime or April and May of is when
29:07
Speaker 1: the the Autquippa Police for some reason decided to write
29:10
Speaker 1: an incident report in their system. About that night from
29:13
Speaker 1: a year prior. I didn't know that. John Paul Vanisovitch
29:17
Speaker 1: with me from the Beaver County and dot Com. John
29:20
Speaker 1: Paul Vanessovitch, that is a very odd John Paul, regarding
29:26
Speaker 1: police procedure. Now, that's the first time I've learned that
29:30
Speaker 1: that particular fact that they find her in the car.
29:33
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at her photo right now, and everybody
29:37
Speaker 1: on the program right now, Vincent Hill, Karen Stark, Ellen Kilauren,
29:42
Speaker 1: John Paul Vanessovitch, you know the photo. It's her with
29:46
Speaker 1: her hands on her hips. She looks like she's at
29:48
Speaker 1: a hotel. I think I see luggage in the background
29:51
Speaker 1: and the staircapt beautiful staircase. She's got on a gorgeous
29:55
Speaker 1: sequined mini dress. She's beautiful, big smile on her face.
30:00
Speaker 1: Obviously at some event. I didn't know John Paul that
30:05
Speaker 1: one year after this young teacher is caught in the
30:08
Speaker 1: car with a teen boy, that's when they file the report. Because,
30:12
Speaker 1: you know, John Paul, that's contrary to police procedure. So
30:17
Speaker 1: many times I would try to find cops that I
30:20
Speaker 1: had subpoena on various cases, and it would be six
30:24
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, John Paul, when I was trying
30:26
Speaker 1: to get everybody assembled at the courthouse for trial that day,
30:30
Speaker 1: they would still be at h Q filling out reports
30:34
Speaker 1: from the night before. Exhausted, they would come in bleary
30:38
Speaker 1: eyed and tired to testify in my trial and then
30:42
Speaker 1: go home and sleep. So they would stay John Paul
30:46
Speaker 1: and fill out those reports because that was their job.
30:49
Speaker 1: But here they waited a year. Here's my question. How
30:54
Speaker 1: soon after this report was filed on this secretly encrypted
30:59
Speaker 1: computer Janette, was it leaked? So the report was created
31:03
Speaker 1: in April or May of seventeen about the incident from February,
31:09
Speaker 1: and then it was leaked to me UH, several other
31:12
Speaker 1: media outlets, and her employer, the school where she worked,
31:15
Speaker 1: in October of last year. October, so about five months
31:21
Speaker 1: after they created the report. The leak that I received
31:24
Speaker 1: from the individual alleged that it was a cover up, UH,
31:28
Speaker 1: and that the police had not followed proper procedures, as
31:32
Speaker 1: you noted, and that was the purported reason why this
31:35
Speaker 1: individual was leaking the information publicly. Shortly after the leak occurred,
31:40
Speaker 1: she was suspended from her teaching position pending an investigation
31:45
Speaker 1: about that incident. That occurred at that point a year
31:48
Speaker 1: and a half earlier. Uh. And she was still on
31:51
Speaker 1: suspension from her position when she was murdered. So they
31:54
Speaker 1: went a year to follow the report, which I did
31:56
Speaker 1: not know, which is highly highly usual. Then a few
32:01
Speaker 1: months after it's finally reported, it gets leaked, and John
32:05
Speaker 1: Paul Vanessavi is just telling us the cover up is
32:09
Speaker 1: the cover up that was exposed by leaking the report
32:13
Speaker 1: that they hadn't filed the report. Is that the big
32:16
Speaker 1: cover up? What were they covering up and for who?
32:18
Speaker 1: What the alleged cover up was in the in the
32:21
Speaker 1: leak was that because of uh Rachel Deltando's relationships with
32:28
Speaker 1: with certain individuals in the city, uh and their relationships
32:31
Speaker 1: with the police department, as well as relationships that the
32:34
Speaker 1: boy that she was caught in a car with had
32:36
Speaker 1: with with individuals in the town, that the police basically
32:39
Speaker 1: just washed their hands of the incident and didn't follow
32:42
Speaker 1: proper procedure. Uh. And that was that was the gist
32:46
Speaker 1: of the pretext for the leak. What relationships you got me?
32:50
Speaker 1: You left me hanging? Jehan Paul? What relationships were so
32:54
Speaker 1: important they didn't file a report? The information I have
32:58
Speaker 1: is that the young man who was found in the
33:01
Speaker 1: vehicle with Rachel del Tondo is related to the mayor
33:04
Speaker 1: of the town and Rachel Deltondo's fiance who was mentioned
33:10
Speaker 1: in the police report as Frank who is Frank KaTropa
33:13
Speaker 1: x fiance now Frank KaTropa is a well known businessman
33:19
Speaker 1: from the town and had been a significant donor to
33:22
Speaker 1: the police department. He had helped to acquire a SUV
33:27
Speaker 1: for them to use with their drug canine dog, among
33:29
Speaker 1: other things. John Paul Ranessovich, I'm just letting this soak in. Alan,
33:40
Speaker 1: are you there? Did you hear that? What he just
33:42
Speaker 1: told us this is this is a twisted, bizarre case.
33:46
Speaker 1: That's a bombshell. I kept wondering, why all the drama
33:53
Speaker 1: when they weren't even doing anything wrong that we can
33:55
Speaker 1: tell as a matter of fact, she wasn't apparently involved
33:58
Speaker 1: with somebody else related to this young boy. But they
34:02
Speaker 1: weren't even doing anything wrong. That's why I didn't understand
34:05
Speaker 1: the big drama about it. This teacher caught in the
34:11
Speaker 1: car two am with a teen boy. Okay, it looks bad,
34:15
Speaker 1: but apparently nothing untoward occurred in there. So why the
34:20
Speaker 1: drama and John Paul Vanesovich with the Beaver Cantonian just
34:24
Speaker 1: dropped a bom. Mommy, she is related. I mean she's
34:28
Speaker 1: engaged to a super rich guy who has donated a
34:32
Speaker 1: lot to the police department, and the teen boy is
34:36
Speaker 1: a relative of the mayor. Well, the plot is thickening.
34:41
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34:44
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34:48
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34:51
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34:56
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34:59
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35:02
Speaker 1: by the end to cover up, everything blows up and
35:06
Speaker 1: there are a lot of casualties. Yeah, Nancy, something in
35:10
Speaker 1: the milk here is not clean. What I can tell
35:13
Speaker 1: you is I doubt this was a random act. I mean,
35:16
Speaker 1: we're looking at a town with one murder average per year,
35:19
Speaker 1: eight robberies per year, so you're not looking at a
35:22
Speaker 1: high crime ary ten thousand people in that small town.
35:25
Speaker 1: So this is someone that had a very particular vendetta
35:28
Speaker 1: against her, especially the way she was shot, how many
35:31
Speaker 1: times she was shot, And now that we hear that
35:34
Speaker 1: the kids who was in the car with is related
35:36
Speaker 1: to the mayor. The boyfriend had a lot of money.
35:39
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35:44
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like I have landed in a
35:46
Speaker 1: basket of snakes. Listen to this having a beating right
35:50
Speaker 1: now with all the detectives that are working on the case.
35:53
Speaker 1: As you know, this is an ongoing homicide investigation. We
35:56
Speaker 1: have an active group with a Petsimania State Police to
35:59
Speaker 1: be the kind of detective bureau and the Aliquippa Police
36:02
Speaker 1: Department working very hard together. It's very sad. You have
36:05
Speaker 1: a very quiet and very quaint neighborhood where this tragedy happened.
36:10
Speaker 1: We obviously regret this aparative simplise for the families. The
36:13
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36:16
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36:20
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36:23
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36:27
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41:08
Speaker 1: young school teacher, Rachel Deltanda. Well, I thought the scenario
41:14
Speaker 1: had calmed down and assumed that investigations were being done
41:19
Speaker 1: and we would soon have the answer that is anything
41:22
Speaker 1: but the truth. As a matter of fact, in the
41:25
Speaker 1: last hours, police personnel are dropping like flies within the
41:29
Speaker 1: police department there in now Equippa, where Rachel was murdered.
41:34
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41:46
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41:56
Speaker 1: and boy, have I've been wanting to talk to you now?
41:59
Speaker 1: We are earning of an intricate series of connections between
42:03
Speaker 1: the teacher, the police department, the teen boy in her
42:07
Speaker 1: car at two a m. And the mayor. No one
42:12
Speaker 1: is a suspect. Everyone is a suspect. No one is
42:16
Speaker 1: named a person of interest or a formal suspect. Now,
42:19
Speaker 1: let's just put that out there, John Paul Vanessevitch. So
42:24
Speaker 1: they wait a year to file the report, it gets filed.
42:28
Speaker 1: A couple of months later, someone with access to government
42:33
Speaker 1: protected janet leaks it. To whom is it leaked? At
42:39
Speaker 1: this point we do not know what the Aliquippa Police well,
42:43
Speaker 1: the former Aliquippa Police Chief Don Couch had said was
42:47
Speaker 1: the the league of the information. He dubbed that a
42:50
Speaker 1: quote unquote clerical error. He refused to disclose who he
42:54
Speaker 1: who was provided to, but who said that that was
42:58
Speaker 1: the former police chief Donald Couch. A clerical error. Wow,
43:02
Speaker 1: what a coinkie think? A coincidence? A clerical error, and
43:05
Speaker 1: it just happened to be leaked to the media, and
43:08
Speaker 1: to what the fiance, the rich fiance. We do not
43:12
Speaker 1: have confirmation that it was that it was leaked to
43:14
Speaker 1: him at this point. Thank you for correcting me. Go ahead.
43:18
Speaker 1: After the report came out that this information did leaked,
43:20
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania State Police announced that they were launching a
43:22
Speaker 1: criminal investigation into the El Equippa Police Department as a
43:26
Speaker 1: result of this leak. Uh. That investigation, as last I've heard,
43:30
Speaker 1: remains open. In March of this year, the Pennsylvania State
43:34
Speaker 1: Police executed a search warrant on the El Equippa City
43:37
Speaker 1: building as part of a grand jury investigation into the
43:40
Speaker 1: city and its police department. And that was according to
43:43
Speaker 1: State Police Lieutenant Eric Hermit at the time. Wow, it
43:47
Speaker 1: did just It's like um Medusa. There are so many
43:53
Speaker 1: snakes coming out of this, It's like a multi tentacled
43:56
Speaker 1: sea creature. Uh, it's gonna be hard to know in
44:00
Speaker 1: which direction to go. As a matter of fact, the
44:04
Speaker 1: fact that there are so many potential suspects with motive
44:09
Speaker 1: to kill the young teacher on Mother's Day, shooting her
44:13
Speaker 1: dead in a targeted attack after she comes home from
44:17
Speaker 1: an ice cream parlor with friends that Sunday evening Mother's Days.
44:20
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, it could be anybody. Listen, We're
44:24
Speaker 1: getting video cameras, we we we are downloading information, we
44:28
Speaker 1: are interviewing witnesses. We are doing everything we can investigating
44:32
Speaker 1: everyone that was driving around al Equippa that night, that
44:36
Speaker 1: was anywhere near this young ladies house John Paul that
44:41
Speaker 1: evening that night that to a m incident that started
44:47
Speaker 1: the whole Domino effect. No charges were ever leveled against
44:53
Speaker 1: Rachel del Tondo or the boy, of course, but after
44:58
Speaker 1: the report was leaked, the fiance breaks up with her.
45:03
Speaker 1: Um she stuck with his wedding dress, and they go
45:08
Speaker 1: on TV for a little um let me say, consumer
45:14
Speaker 1: help segment to try to get some of the money back. Listen.
45:19
Speaker 1: Deltondo says she told the local bridal salon she'd pay
45:22
Speaker 1: the balance and take delivery of the dress. I wanted
45:25
Speaker 1: the gown so I could sell it. Del Tondo says
45:28
Speaker 1: the salon never delivered the dress and refused to refund
45:31
Speaker 1: her money, so she took the owner to Small Claims
45:33
Speaker 1: Court and it says disposition default judgment for plain of court.
45:38
Speaker 1: Papers indicate the salon owner did not appear for the hearing.
45:41
Speaker 1: As a result, he was ordered to pay the del
45:43
Speaker 1: Tondo's more than forty six hundred dollars. He had thirty
45:46
Speaker 1: days to write us a check or file on a
45:49
Speaker 1: pill and he did not. Salon owner Gregory Jericho in
45:54
Speaker 1: an email he told me, December got by me with
45:57
Speaker 1: two deaths in the family. We will be sending a
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Speaker 1: certain fight check out to del Tondo. Thanks for your efforts.
46:03
Speaker 1: His attorney sent us a letter stating Mr. Jericho denies
46:06
Speaker 1: that Ann Gregory owed any money to Miss del Tondo,
46:10
Speaker 1: as she was given the purchase contract, had an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to review the terms of the contract, which unambiguously advised
46:17
Speaker 1: her that the custom order for her bridal gown could
46:20
Speaker 1: not be refunded. So after this TV appearance, the whole
46:24
Speaker 1: town and more the whole region knows about the broken engagement,
46:30
Speaker 1: the ten thousand dollar wedding dress, and what Rachel Deltonda
46:35
Speaker 1: looks like. Then she's gunned down on Mother's Day Sunday
46:41
Speaker 1: evening in her parents front yard. I have reason to believe,
46:46
Speaker 1: John Paul, that she was targeted, that someone was waiting
46:52
Speaker 1: for her to appear. They knew she was coming back
46:56
Speaker 1: in a vehicle. She had barely gotten out of the
46:59
Speaker 1: vehicle when she was gunned down multiple gunshot wounds. Still
47:03
Speaker 1: wanting to find out if they were a close range
47:05
Speaker 1: or not. What do we know about her murder specifically,
47:09
Speaker 1: John Paul? I know you have the very latest on
47:11
Speaker 1: the cops being fired and put on leave and under investigation,
47:16
Speaker 1: but I'm still hung up on her murder. Do we
47:19
Speaker 1: know if any of the shots are close range? What
47:21
Speaker 1: do we know about her autopsy? Yeah, there's been no
47:23
Speaker 1: autopsy information released other than the corner confirming that this
47:28
Speaker 1: was a homicide. She was shot multiple times upwards a
47:32
Speaker 1: pen uh, and I am told from my law enforcement
47:35
Speaker 1: sources that it was at close range UH and that
47:38
Speaker 1: her she had positioned herself in what is being described
47:42
Speaker 1: to me by law enforcement in a defensive posture prior
47:46
Speaker 1: to being shot. Did you say it was or was
47:49
Speaker 1: not a close range It was Vincent Hill. You know,
47:53
Speaker 1: you and I had speculated about that when it first happened,
47:56
Speaker 1: that we thought either it had to be like a
47:58
Speaker 1: sniper hit somewhere in the bushes or a close range.
48:03
Speaker 1: This is not like um a robbery because nothing was missing.
48:08
Speaker 1: It was not a sex attack clearly, and now Jehan
48:11
Speaker 1: Paul is stating that she was in a defensive posture.
48:17
Speaker 1: That could mean that there were bullet wounds on her
48:19
Speaker 1: arms or hands as she held her hands up to
48:21
Speaker 1: her face. At some point, very often victims go down
48:26
Speaker 1: on the ground, they curl up in a ball, like
48:28
Speaker 1: a fetal position. What does it say to you, you're
48:32
Speaker 1: the former cop now private investigator. Well, Nancy quite clearly
48:36
Speaker 1: tells me she saw it coming. So likely the shooter
48:40
Speaker 1: made sure Rachel knew she was there before these shots
48:44
Speaker 1: were fired, because if she was shot in the back first,
48:47
Speaker 1: she likely wouldn't be in a defensive position. So she
48:49
Speaker 1: saw who did this. She knew who did this right
48:52
Speaker 1: before she died too. John Paul Vanessovich with the Beaver
48:56
Speaker 1: County and dot Com, you wrote that an internal memo
49:02
Speaker 1: was circulated or was originated with the Ala Cippa p
49:05
Speaker 1: D showing the department had been very critical of a
49:10
Speaker 1: Sergeant Watkins behavior the night of Rachel's murder. What does
49:16
Speaker 1: that mean? So one of the last people to see uh,
49:20
Speaker 1: Rachel Deltondo alive was one of her friends who was
49:24
Speaker 1: driving the vehicle that dropped her off back at home
49:26
Speaker 1: that night. Who is a minor so I've not named her,
49:30
Speaker 1: but she is the daughter of Sergeant Kenneth Watkins. So
49:34
Speaker 1: so one of the last people see Rachel alive as
49:35
Speaker 1: the daughter. Okay, wait wait wait wait wait okay, John
49:40
Speaker 1: Paul Vanesovitch, it gets even more knotted up. So that night,
49:47
Speaker 1: the dead teacher is having ice cream with the police
49:50
Speaker 1: chief's daughter, the sergeant's daughter. Sergeant, thank you, thank you. Okay,
49:54
Speaker 1: go ahead. This is Sergeant Kenneth Watkins daughter that drops
49:58
Speaker 1: her off before the shooting. After the shooting occurred and
50:02
Speaker 1: police arrived, Sergeant Watkins UH was off duty that night.
50:06
Speaker 1: He shows up to the crime scene after it's been
50:09
Speaker 1: taped off, along with his minor daughter. He brings her
50:13
Speaker 1: and they show up to the crime scene and he's
50:16
Speaker 1: off duty and he according to UH documents I've obtained
50:21
Speaker 1: drafted by a police captain Sea Walk, he then dives
50:26
Speaker 1: underneath the police tape and and um potentially compromises the
50:31
Speaker 1: crime scene with his daughter. Okay, Now, the memo said
50:37
Speaker 1: something to the effect, I've showed no respect for the
50:40
Speaker 1: crime scene. What does that mean? According to the memo,
50:44
Speaker 1: he was on more than one occasion ordered by on
50:47
Speaker 1: duty officers not going underneath the police tape into the
50:50
Speaker 1: crime scene area, and that he on more than one
50:53
Speaker 1: occasion um went ahead and went underneath the crime scene
50:58
Speaker 1: tape into the crime scene. UM. And in the language
51:03
Speaker 1: used by the Captain Seawalk at the time, is he
51:05
Speaker 1: could have contaminated the crime scene. Quote unquote. Okay, tell
51:10
Speaker 1: me what's happening now, John Paul, because we understand that
51:16
Speaker 1: police have been suspended, that they're under investigation. What's happening?
51:22
Speaker 1: Why are so many cops dropping like flies within the department?
51:26
Speaker 1: All right, here's what I can tell you. Um, we
51:28
Speaker 1: know that Sergeant Kenneth Watkins was placed on paid administrative
51:32
Speaker 1: leave because of his daughter's involvement as a witness in
51:38
Speaker 1: the case. Is the official reason why. Internal memos showed
51:41
Speaker 1: that the then police chief wanted to take or wants
51:44
Speaker 1: to take disciplinary action for him disobeying on du the
51:47
Speaker 1: officers and crossing the crime scene tape. After that incident,
51:51
Speaker 1: and this is now taking us to next Last Wednesday,
51:54
Speaker 1: the police chief at a council meeting Chief Donald Touch
51:58
Speaker 1: council voted unanimously to put him on a paid administrative suspension.
52:04
Speaker 1: There is conflicting information on the reason for that. The
52:07
Speaker 1: town's solicitor, Myron Sandwich says it is because of complaints
52:11
Speaker 1: from his fellow officers and it is a personnel issue.
52:15
Speaker 1: A councilman, Matthew Modus from the town has said that
52:18
Speaker 1: he has firsthand information that the police chief is the
52:21
Speaker 1: subject of a state police investigation and that is the
52:24
Speaker 1: rationale that he has publicly provided for his vote to
52:28
Speaker 1: suspend the chief. Council then appointed an investigation. Though under
52:33
Speaker 1: investigation for what. Because of all this um it appears
52:37
Speaker 1: to be unrelated to the del Tondo matter. It appears
52:39
Speaker 1: to be part of a larger investigation into public corruption
52:44
Speaker 1: in the town UH. After his suspension UH, the council
52:50
Speaker 1: appoints then assistant Chief Percevell to become acting chief. Less
52:57
Speaker 1: than forty eight hours after he is named acting chief,
53:00
Speaker 1: he is arrested by the Beaver County Detectives and is
53:05
Speaker 1: charged with distributing sexually explicit materials to a miner, and
53:10
Speaker 1: that miner was the daughter of Sergeant Kenneth Watkins, the
53:15
Speaker 1: same girl who had dropped off Rachel felt, Oh my stars,
53:18
Speaker 1: I need I need a flow chart for all of this.
53:21
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, John Paul Vanesevitch from the
53:25
Speaker 1: Beaver County and dot com reports state that Deltondo had
53:32
Speaker 1: told someone had stated that she was going to testify
53:37
Speaker 1: before a grand jury as part of an investigation into
53:41
Speaker 1: the Aliquippo Police Department shortly before she was murdered. What
53:46
Speaker 1: do you know of that? So that report originated from
53:49
Speaker 1: the defense attorney of the teenager that she had been
53:53
Speaker 1: found in the car with my reporting contradicts that I
53:57
Speaker 1: do not believe, based on everything that that I've found,
54:01
Speaker 1: that she was um at least in the near term,
54:04
Speaker 1: going to testify before that grand jury. That being said,
54:08
Speaker 1: I have reported publicly since her murder that she was
54:11
Speaker 1: a confidential source for my publication related to corruption in
54:15
Speaker 1: the town, and that she had been interviewed on multiple
54:18
Speaker 1: occasions by the Pennsylvania State Police UH and during those
54:23
Speaker 1: interviews she did give statements related to alleged corruption in
54:27
Speaker 1: the town. Wait a minute, she had been a source
54:29
Speaker 1: to you, a CEI confidential informant. She had been a
54:33
Speaker 1: confidential journalistic source for my investigative reporting into allegations of
54:37
Speaker 1: corruption in the town prior to her murder. When you
54:40
Speaker 1: say corruption, what do you mean? What the de siphoning money? What?
54:45
Speaker 1: I at this point not publicly reported what the nature
54:49
Speaker 1: of her um discussions with me or the state police were.
54:53
Speaker 1: And I am doing that partially at the request of
54:57
Speaker 1: law enforcement officials who tell me that those sorts of
55:00
Speaker 1: public discussions right now could uh in some ways hinder
55:04
Speaker 1: ongoing investigations, So out of respect for that, I have
55:07
Speaker 1: not yet publicly begun my reporting on those matters. John
55:11
Speaker 1: Paul Vanesovich, please keep your head down. I'm telling you
55:14
Speaker 1: this is a lot bigger than any of us imagine
55:18
Speaker 1: at the beginning. And I agree with Rachel Deltago's mother,
55:25
Speaker 1: who has recently renewed her calls to take the Aliquippo
55:31
Speaker 1: Police out of this investigation and bring in an outside
55:35
Speaker 1: agency to investigate the murder of her daughter. John Paul Vincent,
55:41
Speaker 1: Karen Allen, thank you. The search for the truth and
55:45
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