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S2 E21: Reviewing "Star Wars: Tales of the Underworld" (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for Most Things Kenobi.
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  Shouldn't it be all Things Kenobi?
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  Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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  Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all
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  things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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  And I'm your host, Leanne. And this week we are finally
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  getting into Tales of the Underworld.
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  We have not watched it. It came out on May the Fourth,
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  which was a long time ago, and it was during Andor, so we
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  definitely just didn't have the bandwidth to address it at the
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  time. So we're gonna do that now.
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  Yes, yeah, and guess who decided to show up?
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  Obi Wan for like no voice. 30 seconds, yeah.
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  No voice, of course not Nothing. Yeah.
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  Very sad, but it was good to see him again.
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  That's for good idea. We paid James Arnold Taylor any
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  more money. Seriously, it's like, come on
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  guys, he'll do one or two sentences for you.
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  Look at what he did for us. Yeah, he's really nice.
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  Just like. Look the.
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  Fuck are we? Like, seriously, Anyway.
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  Oh yeah. Well, we haven't talked about
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  this and I'm so excited to talk about this.
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  Probably not for the reasons you would think, but I'm ready to
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  go. I'm in a fine mood for today's
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  recording. OK, perfect.
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  Well, go ahead. What?
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  What have you got to say? Well, I just want to, I'm
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  curious what you thought because we did not let on at all even
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  any inkling of when we watch these.
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  I just said I'm ready to discuss whenever you are.
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  Yes. And then here we are.
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  So you want my opinion first? I kind of do.
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  I'm curious. I'm, I'm curious because I mean,
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  I don't care who goes first, but I'm curious what you have to say
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  about all this. I was so bored.
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  Oh, were you bored? Were you bored?
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  I was entertained. Were you?
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  I was really. I had no expectation.
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  None at all. Me neither.
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  Me neither. I knew who was in it, right?
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  Because of the previews or the the little trailers that they
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  released. But yeah, I, I was so curious,
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  like, why are we talking about these individuals?
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  How are we talking about these individuals when one of them is
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  allegedly dead and all? Oh I forgot, I forgot.
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  Star Wars just resurrects whoever the fuck they want,
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  whenever they want, for any loose reason that they want, and
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  here the fuck we are. Yep.
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  Yeah, no one is ever really dead.
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  Not for. Real.
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  Not in. Not in this Star Wars era.
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  And I hate it. Well.
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  Why? Kill a character and bring them
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  back for them to do nothing at all.
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  That's my fucking question I wanted to ask.
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  My question is OK. Ventress is an absolute badass
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  goddess. Whatever you want to say.
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  She is a woman of her own. I respect the hell out of her.
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  Grew to love her character. Total surprise.
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  Loving her character. This is not what I want from a
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  character when they're resurrected to come back and be
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  a sidekick to some kid who sucks.
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  And yet yet again, we have another Jedi that survived the
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  purge. So.
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  Yeah, no, there's, there's a lot of them out there apparently.
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  At this point they could all go to a spa together and hold a
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  convention. That's how many there are.
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  The fuck is Luke like? Like Luke you're 1 of you're one
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  of two. Is he though?
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  Is he though? 40 to 50 and the number keeps
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  growing I. Don't give or take Unbelievable.
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  I'm so disappointed. I'm so.
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  And not only that, Mother Tolson just is like, do you want to
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  live or die? Or I think I'll live.
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  OK. You live what?
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  It came out of nowhere, first of all, and second of all the
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  proposition she presented to Ventress.
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  Makes no sense. Oh yeah, and like why would
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  Ventress choose what she chose? I don't understand if she if if
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  the cost of her choice is her heart's desire, which they
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  implied was Quinlan, why did she choose to come back?
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  I would have just stayed dead. And like joined her sisters in
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  the other world. Like that seems more likely what
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  Ventress would have chosen between.
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  She always wanted family, she always wanted a sense of
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  belonging. So why would she come back to
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  live a quiet life as like a ticket taker and A and?
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  AI just. Taxi service, I don't know.
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  And then to to get all the way up to seeing, potentially seeing
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  Quinlan again and then deciding that's not the path I'm on
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  anymore. What?
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  What was the point of sitting through this?
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  I don't understand. Literally no point, no point, no
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  .0 points. I.
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  I can't excuse a resurrection when there's no point.
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  Like, nothing like friendship. Is that friendship with this
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  kid? Is that what we're going with?
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  Is that it, guys? It's cringy.
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  It's cringy. It's real cringy and it's I
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  suppose it's supposed to tug at your heartstrings, but it just
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  doesn't. Yeah, OK, we sound negative,
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  wah, wah. But here, OK, I'll be positive.
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  Because when this shit first came out, you sent me the
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  trailer and I was like, why should I care?
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  And like, you couldn't answer it and nobody could answer it.
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  I still, I still can't answer it.
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  But it was nice to see Quinlan Voss.
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  There's been so much talk of Quinlan Voss since the Kenobi
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  series. I know.
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  So there was some, I don't know, fulfillment in the fact that he
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  was brought back in a sense acknowledged he was with Obi
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  Wan. It's obviously from the story
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  that so many people love, which is now just totally thrown at
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  what's the name of the book? Dark Disciple.
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  Thank you. One of the better ones in the
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  Star Wars universe. Of course they had to just trash
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  it. And I'm talking I'll of Dave
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  Filoni, my hero, which I'm allowed to do.
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  Everyone's around. Opinion.
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  I I really do question like why he allowed this?
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  It was. It was a waste of very like it
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  was a waste of money if nothing else.
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  It just totally undermines Dark Disciple, what took place in
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  there, the Quinlan and the Ventress relationship, that kind
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  of like unlikelihood of it all. And it somehow worked and it was
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  wonderful and there were sacrifices made.
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  I don't want to spoil. I'm trying to talk vaguely so I
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  don't spoil it for anybody, but it was nice to see it
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  acknowledged. But Oh my God.
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  I know, I know. When are we going to leave
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  things alone? I'm sorry, I really.
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  Keep fucking with stuff I don't know.
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  And like Quinlan literally was taken by Dooku and tormented and
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  tortured and like 4 ventris basically.
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  Yeah, yes. I guess maybe that's a spoiler,
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  sorry, but. Yeah, I was the sacrifice I was
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  Speaking of, but sorry, it was all for not.
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  No, it's OK. The book came out a long time
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  ago. I, I think we're, we're safe,
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  we're spoilers. Yeah, we're safe.
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  Also. Also, if you're curious why he
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  gets tortured and how, go ahead and pick up Dark Disciple and
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  read it tomorrow. Read the book.
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  There you go. Yeah, I just.
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  Kind of ruins the book now. It does it like undermines it a
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  bit like the the depth of their connection, their relationship,
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  the importance of somebody from the light side and the dark side
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  finding common ground. Crazy.
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  What the hell guys? Of all the characters I'd be
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  interested in, I would like to know more about Ventress and how
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  she was brought back for the dead and her connection with
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  Quinlan and how that ties into Obi Wan and the path and they
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  just didn't touch any of it. They just once again use
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  peripheral bullshit to tell a story that doesn't like.
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  I don't care about her trading services for information with
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  some other bounty hunter. I want the part where they use
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  it to find the path. That's the real story and we're
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  not telling it. I thought that's where we were
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  going. I thought we're going to get a
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  glimpse of the path and how it's meant to work 'cause we.
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  As soon as she was like, we're gonna, what if we help you with
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  this mission? I'm like, oh, so this episode's
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  gonna be about the mission. And then we have.
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  Like a Mandalorian. Right.
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  And then we have one episode left and that's not enough to
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  get to the path. And right there I knew we're not
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  gonna have a really in depth story.
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  This is gonna be another peripheral story without
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  anything important happening except that she makes a friend,
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  which I guess is a big deal for her, but.
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  But like strangely enough, she kind of she had the same kind of
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  attitude with Obi Wan in her owner, in her, in her
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  interactions with Obi Wan in the Clone Wars.
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  She's like that with people. This kid just kind of they
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  didn't have a war separating them, right?
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  I know that the Empire is like doing its thing or whatever, but
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  you know, there were factions that separated Ventress and Obi
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  Wan strangely enough, kind of leads back to the Dark disciple
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  that would prevent them from like working together.
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  But then things happen. But this kid, there's nothing
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  preventing him from like leaning on her and she takes him under
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  her wing and blah blah blah. OK, if we would have had some
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  connection back to Quinlan in the end, could have maybe
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  justified it, especially with the path, because in a way she
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  would have then been helping the Jedi who she always fucking
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  hated or at least tolerated at best.
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  Yeah, just living on her terms in a sense then, because she
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  made the choice. I don't know, it's nice to see
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  Ventress. It's nice.
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  It was way nicer to see Quinlan 'cause slightly different
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  animation, slightly different look, kind of more more mature.
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  You know, not like a a model. And I don't mean a like a
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  fashion model, I mean like a like 3D model of a person.
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  He seemed more like a human being in this version of the
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  animation. Totally.
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  And you know, Obi Wan's presence and anyone who's read Dark
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  Disciple gets it and all of that.
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  And it was touching and it just. If we could have somehow tied it
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  all together in the end, I might have a more positive.
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  Yeah. Commentary on it.
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  I agree, I feel the same. It was enjoyable to watch.
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  And the fact that I'm like, OK, I'm slightly curious because of
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  the path. And then like you said, when I
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  realized we're going to fuck around and we're not going to
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  get to the path, I was like, oh Jesus.
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  All right, all right. Yeah, and I could get behind,
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  you know, these quick little stories that but like man, that
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  was something I thought was one of Clone Wars biggest strengths,
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  right? Because Star Wars always, always
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  the movies are like 3 threads and we switch every 15 minutes
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  between the threads and sometimes I care about the
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  thread and sometimes I can Fast forward certain, you know,
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  things like that. Sorry, Derek.
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  He'll love that. I love the Ewoks just so I don't
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  always want to sit through their scenes, OK?
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  But like, right, right, Totally. Clone Wars stopped doing that.
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  The episodes were 20 minutes. They picked one thread and they
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  really explored it in just a 20 minute period.
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  It was amazing, totally. And then if they got in depth,
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  it would be like an arc, but something important and like
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  meaningful happened in those 20 minutes every single time.
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  And I feel like Tales of the Underworld or these Tales movies
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  or movies episodes in general. Yeah.
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  Feel like rudderless it's. Like that's a good way.
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  We get to return to the world and the animation and some of
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  the characters, and that's really cool, but the stories are
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  just kind of like empty, kind of empty, open-ended in a way
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  that's not fun. I don't know.
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  I don't wanna just 'cause I feel like all we did was all I did
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  was shit on Andor and that pissed off some people.
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  And now here I am just shitting on tales of the Underworld.
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  But it's not that good. I was bored.
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  I kept checking the time and that is not something I ever do.
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  So yeah. OK, well first of all, you're
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  allowed an opinion. I'm allowed an opinion.
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  Everyone's allowed an opinion here.
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  We've always said that that includes yours and mine, so
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  there we go. That being said this also was
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  not good so I share your opinion.
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  OK that sometimes happens and sometimes it doesn't.
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  But the crazy thing is is let's remove Quinlan and Obi Wan at
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  the beginning. This could have still been a
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  Tales of the Underworld when Ventress was technically really
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  in the underworld between Clone Wars and Dark Disciple.
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  Yeah, when she was still alive. And in fact, I would have
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  preferred if they'd just done that.
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  You have to. If you bring these people back,
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  listen up. I'm going to make a statement.
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  This is my platform as Miss America.
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  If you bring people back in Star Wars, it had better be for a
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  good reason. No more of this flippant shit,
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  OK? I'm done.
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  I'm getting. Frustrated Maul is a great
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  example. Maul is a might quite possibly
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  be the only proper example. Yes, yeah, yeah, so far in Star
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  Wars. True.
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  Again, our opinion doesn't necessarily need to be yours.
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  Everybody lives and everybody moves on.
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  Let's let's also remember I repeat this fact often on this
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  show. This is all fake.
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  Yeah, I know, right? It's just TV.
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  It's just we're here to this. This Is Us watching our stories
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  and having a chat afterwards. It goes on with all kinds.
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  That's the beauty. You can talk about whatever you
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  want and that's why we have a show and you don't.
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  So 'cause we decided to talk about it.
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  We just decided to record our usual conversation.
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  Shit me 100%. If nobody was listening, we'd
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  still be talking about this and we'd probably be swearing a lot
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  more. But because we love James, James
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  Arnold Taylor, and we mentioned to him, I'm trying not to swear
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  in this episode out of respect because I know.
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  Stay on the light side, Leanne, come to the light side.
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  Stay on the light side. Remember what he said?
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  Yeah, he wrote that on your autograph.
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  I. Think no.
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  Yes he did and I love him. I stare at it every day.
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  That photo, I just didn't think it was good.
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  It wasn't a good enough reason, in my opinion, to bring back
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  somebody like Ventures from the fucking dead.
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  Yeah, I agree. I love seeing her.
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  And Nika Futterman was so good. Oh, I loved her inflection.
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  And you got the sense of like the the pain that she just kind
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  of lives with. And yeah, her performance was
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  amazing and I loved seeing it. But.
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  There's nothing bad about the performances on anyone's part.
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  No. Right down to those little those
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  little creatures that I really appreciated that like.
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  Mad Max Star Wars style. Yeah, like can we all respect
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  each other's water? I love that.
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  That's a good lesson. Yeah, Yep, Yep.
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  Again, not the lesson I was expecting considering the
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  foundation they laid at the beginning.
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  But true, Very, very true. You know what I did like?
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  You know what I did like? Just just one more thing before
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  we move on, I guess, is that I did like that.
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  The old guy in the wheelchair, the old combat veteran.
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  If you are. Yeah.
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  If you are, yeah. The Separatist recognized her
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  and said Dooku's assassin or Dooku's.
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  Is that how he phrased it? I can't remember the exact
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  words, but you know, that had to probably like shock her a little
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  bit, you know what I mean? Yeah, and then he called her
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  Lady Ventris, which I found interesting cause Maul refers to
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  Ahsoka as Lady Ahsoka or something similar.
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  Lady Tano, I think is how. Lady Tano?
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  Yeah. Lady Ahsoka, It's just she'll.
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  Probably cut your arms off. She heard to say that she'll
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  take Lady Tano, but Lady Ahsoka is not happening.
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  Yeah, I like that weird colloquialism from the
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  separatists. It's elegant.
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  I I mean, it's nice to be recognized.
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  Maybe not at that point, you know, it's probably a little
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  uncomfortable, but I'm sure she felt a little fluff of her
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  feathers, you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure a little
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  straightening of the spine, like, yeah, that's right.
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  You know, she probably also felt bad because she didn't make it
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  very far. And you know.
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  She probably has so many layers of mixture of shame and anger
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  and just like also needing to just let it all go.
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  And not just that, but it's a whole fucking mood that she just
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  wants to be left alone in peace. I felt that.
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  I know I did too. Fucking felt that I was like, I
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  get adventurous you. I love gold lightsabers, you
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  know, and seeing her in action the the lightsaber combat was
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  quite, quite good. Yeah, it was great.
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  And just seeing a gold lightsaber, probably my favorite
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  color that in green, they're like, I was just it's cool to
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  see. There are fun things in it.
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  It just if you're going to bring somebody back from the dead, can
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  we please have a good reason to it?
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  Yeah, and again, like there's an Inquisitor, but they didn't say
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  who it was. It was an unknown Inquisitor
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  and. Yeah, I was curious.
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  I was curious about all that, but it didn't.
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  I mean it lasted like 10 seconds when it was over.
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  So yeah, and the kid killed the Inquisitor, which was when when
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  Ventress gets the two lightsabers.
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  And then I was like, oh, now it's gonna get real.
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  But then she still got beat. She's rusty like Obi Wan was for
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  a while there in Tatooine. Yeah, see, they need to find
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  each other and hang out 'cause they.
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  They got. Alive in the same universe,
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  together. They can talk about all the
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  other people they thought that they thought were dead and
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  aren't. Can you imagine if we get a live
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  action with only one Quinlan Adventurous?
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  It would be the best show ever made.
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  OK, that would be gold. That would be fucking chaos.
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  I would watch. I would watch that, yeah.
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  That would be called Dank Disciple.
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  I just thought that would be so dank.
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  Dank disciple, really. Funny.
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  Quinlan came up with it. Yep, Yep.
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  OK, what do you make of the mess that we're the next?
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  Three episodes. Oh my.
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  OK, so the Ventures ones kept me engaged.
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  I was interested mostly the CAD Bane ones.
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  I was bored from the moment it started, even though that was
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  Space Chicago. Is that what it was?
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  Definitely seems like it was based on 1920s nineteen 30s
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  Chicago even has the elevated train, the way the streets
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  worked, the backroom gambling with mafia like it all seems
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  like a reference to it it. It definitely had a vibe and I,
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  I picked up, well, you know, Chicago, I, I don't, but I
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  picked up the vibe of like all of that.
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  Yeah. Kind of the seedy, well,
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  underworld of like the 20s. We have a very specific
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  architectural like look to our elevated train because it was
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  built and then the Depression era and a little bit before
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  that. So it has this cross hatching on
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  it that's pretty standard on Wells St. here in Chicago.
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  And like, that is exactly what that looked like.
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  If it's not that. Oh, interesting.
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  I'd. Be really surprised, but it
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  looks like at least it was a reference point for them so Even
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  so I didn't care. What is his alien race what are
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  they called 'cause they are the most alike to our like aliens
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  that we. Like the greys and the.
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  Greys, whatever they're called. Yeah, the greys and the greens,
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  Yes. Where do you want to start?
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  His name is Colby Colby Jack Cheese.
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  Yes, every gangster has a name, you know, like there's the mafia
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  name and then there's the, you know that that there's the old
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  Western name and then you have like your street name.
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  This is OK, and I I understand where it's coming from, right?
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  So this is High Noon, the Gary Cooper movie.
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  It's about a Marshall who puts someone in prison and that guy
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  gets out of prison and arrives on the noon transport, just like
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  in this. And one of the characters in
• 23:00
  that movie is called Colby, but it is not a cool name.
• 23:07
  It's not. No offense to the Colby's out
• 23:10
  there. No no, like I mean as CAD Bane
• 23:13
  is a an assassin, he's deadly. Colby is not.
• 23:18
  Not the name I was expecting. I at first I had no idea what I
• 23:24
  was watching because I wasn't sure if the guy with the hat and
• 23:31
  the toothpick was CAD Bane. Yeah, but then I was like, well,
• 23:36
  the voice isn't right. Yeah.
• 23:39
  And I'm like none of this is right.
• 23:42
  It reminds me of the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,
• 23:46
  where at the beginning you see young Indie see the treasure
• 23:50
  hunter and you realize his image is based on this guy, not his
• 23:55
  father, you know, And it's, it's like that.
• 23:57
  Maybe that's an and on purpose reference because obviously you
• 24:01
  know, there's close ties between Star Wars and Indiana Jones,
• 24:04
  but. Well, I was just thinking the
• 24:07
  high noon thing is totally a Filoni.
• 24:10
  I could see Filoni having this like story map that he drew out
• 24:15
  based on this. And he's probably had this in
• 24:17
  his head about CAD band since day one.
• 24:20
  And he was just dying to put it on paper.
• 24:22
  Like, put it on not paper, but like on animation.
• 24:26
  Yeah. So I all of this has a very
• 24:29
  familiar feel for where, like, Filoni grabs inspiration from
• 24:34
  just didn't stick a landing for me.
• 24:35
  Although he's way worse than I ever thought.
• 24:39
  He's a bastard. Yeah, that, that was horrible.
• 24:43
  It was straight up depressing. Which.
• 24:45
  It was so the ending was so, so depressing.
• 24:50
  I was. I kept waiting for CAD to like
• 24:53
  make the right decision, like he didn't care that.
• 24:58
  That that was his son. That was his.
• 25:01
  He didn't give a fuck if that was his son.
• 25:03
  Did he not get it? Or did he get it and he just
• 25:06
  didn't fucking care? Holy.
• 25:09
  Shit I think he did get it because there's one second where
• 25:12
  they show him like his eyes kind of open and he realized after
• 25:15
  the fact that he's killed this his ex friend right in front of
• 25:20
  the child that he thought was this kids father.
• 25:23
  Then realizes no I'm the father how the kids never gonna recover
• 25:29
  from that. Like if the kid finds out the
• 25:32
  CAD Bane is really his father. Like there's nothing good here.
• 25:36
  Just. No.
• 25:37
  Just everyone go there separate ways cause.
• 25:40
  Trauma. Too much trauma, yeah.
• 25:43
  Here's what Here's a question. Again, this is all fake, but I'm
• 25:47
  just posing the question. Why did the good cop, the
• 25:51
  good-natured family man, well respected in his community and
• 25:56
  in his workforce, why didn't he choose otherwise?
• 26:01
  Did he want to die? Because.
• 26:03
  It's high new. What was that?
• 26:05
  I know, but. It's the right thing because
• 26:09
  it's the right thing to do, and that's all that matters it.
• 26:11
  Wasn't he? He wasn't thinking of his son.
• 26:14
  That's the like the son needed him.
• 26:17
  The whole thing with High Noon also is that the townspeople do
• 26:21
  nothing to support Gary Cooper's character.
• 26:25
  So he basically his deputies turn against him, the townsfolk
• 26:29
  don't lift a finger to help, and then it's just him against the
• 26:32
  mob. And that's exactly what happens
• 26:34
  here. His deputy in this episode
• 26:37
  resigns and is just gone when he gets back to the office.
• 26:41
  He's like this is. Too much shit.
• 26:43
  Yeah, he's like. I'm out.
• 26:46
  Somebody here is going to die and I'm not doing the paperwork.
• 26:48
  I'm out. Yeah exactly.
• 26:53
  I feel like they just stuck to that plot line because that was
• 26:56
  the pre established plot line and that's like what has to
• 27:00
  happen in this High Noon scenario.
• 27:02
  But I don't think Gary Cooper dies in High Noon.
• 27:04
  But I have to rewatch it. We watched it in film school and
• 27:08
  the only thing about it I enjoyed is that Lloyd Bridges is
• 27:12
  in it and he's super young and. That's.
• 27:13
  Jeff Bridges, Dad. Yes, it is.
• 27:17
  We love Jeff Bridges. Everyone should love Jeff
• 27:21
  Bridges. Yes, Liv Laflebowski.
• 27:25
  I'm telling you, I'm going to get it for my living room one of
• 27:27
  these days. Shit, I forgot he was in that.
• 27:34
  It's been it's, it's probably been since probably college for
• 27:38
  me, since I've seen that. I was in a film class in
• 27:41
  college. I think I saw it.
• 27:42
  I think that was. Yeah.
• 27:44
  That was a long time. I was like 20 years ago.
• 27:46
  I know it's been that long for me too.
• 27:48
  And it was I, I kind of remember wishing it was over when I was
• 27:53
  watching it. And I had the same kind of
• 27:55
  sensation here because it's, it's pre-existing tension.
• 28:00
  You know how it's gonna break you.
• 28:02
  There's really not much of A way of a surprise coming in a
• 28:06
  situation like this. It's like either one dies, the
• 28:09
  other dies, or they kill each other, you know?
• 28:11
  We knew CAD lived. Exactly.
• 28:15
  I was not expecting the paternity test to come back.
• 28:19
  And you? Are the fight.
• 28:23
  Maury Povich is somewhere in the train station, like exactly.
• 28:32
  Cadbane just gets up off the stage and just walks out.
• 28:37
  That's that's essentially what just.
• 28:39
  Happened pretty much. Pretty much, yeah.
• 28:42
  I didn't think of that till now. That's pretty.
• 28:44
  That's this whole thing is. So I was really depressed after
• 28:47
  the ending of this one. I was too, and the idea that Kat
• 28:52
  Payne had a girlfriend or loved anybody and that this somehow is
• 28:59
  what corrupted him. Well, I don't even know if he
• 29:03
  loved her. This to me felt like a what?
• 29:07
  If not necessarily Canon. It's so.
• 29:10
  Bizarre for his it's very true. For his past and his history
• 29:15
  that I just really struggle to reconcile that that little boy
• 29:20
  wearing a sweater on the street named Colby is Cadbane in Clone
• 29:26
  Wars. We all have roots.
• 29:27
  We all come from something. And they were, they were little
• 29:30
  St. Rats and they were, you know,
• 29:33
  without their own parents, I'm assuming for some reason.
• 29:36
  Just wanting to eat crunchies than sleep in the afternoon.
• 29:41
  That was cute. That's a kids dream.
• 29:43
  Who doesn't want a belly full of candy and then a sugar coma
• 29:46
  afterwards? True.
• 29:48
  It's a good life. It's true.
• 29:50
  And he should not have left his friend.
• 29:52
  Should not have left his friend. I feel like he, it's one of
• 29:55
  those things where as a kid, you don't realize the consequences
• 29:59
  until it's done, and then you're looking out the window and
• 30:01
  you're like, oh, I've ruined my own life and that person's life
• 30:06
  and there's nothing, you know, there's nothing you can do about
• 30:09
  it. That's traumatizing.
• 30:11
  I hate stories like that. Honestly, while I was watching
• 30:14
  it, I'm like, if this wasn't Star Wars, I'd turn this off
• 30:16
  right now 'cause it's too soul. Crushing, right?
• 30:20
  Well, it's the underworld, I guess.
• 30:23
  Yeah. So, crazily, does Ventress's
• 30:28
  story actually feel more positive?
• 30:32
  Yeah, it's so wild. I know.
• 30:35
  Well, it's the I don't know. I don't even know what to say.
• 30:39
  It was devastating. That poor child is all I could
• 30:41
  think of. I know that's all I could think
• 30:43
  of was like this. This is this is the physical
• 30:46
  representation of a lifetime of terrible choices.
• 30:49
  CAD terrible and the only person who was trying to do right was
• 30:54
  the the dad, the good cop and he fucking died.
• 30:58
  He didn't need to. He could have just stayed in the
• 31:01
  police station and not confronted CAD.
• 31:04
  I'm sure CAD would have came after him.
• 31:06
  He had goons. They were going to come after
• 31:08
  whoever, whatever he'd he would have been chased his whole life.
• 31:11
  Like I'm trying to rationalize why he decided to go out there
• 31:14
  and confront him. Can we just point out that
• 31:16
  Cadbayne is all up in arms and and ready to murder this guy for
• 31:20
  doing to him what he did to his friend originally?
• 31:23
  Mm hmm. Oh yeah, he's totally misguided.
• 31:28
  This is delusional. Get a fucking life, man.
• 31:34
  I couldn't have said it better myself.
• 31:37
  It's boring. It's a it's a boring mentality.
• 31:40
  I'm bored. Go do something interesting with
• 31:43
  your life. Clone Wars.
• 31:47
  Was was like so cool. He was so cold and and honestly,
• 31:52
  I don't want to know everyone's back story.
• 31:55
  I don't want to change how I see CAD Bane now.
• 31:58
  I'm gonna see him as a little kid wearing a sweater and the
• 32:04
  mystery's OK. Sometimes not knowing is OK.
• 32:09
  We've said that yeah, yeah. And sometimes leaving them stay
• 32:13
  dead is OK too. Yeah, that's OK.
• 32:16
  Kill. Kill your characters with
• 32:18
  conviction. Yes, stand firm in your decision
• 32:22
  to kill these characters. Damn.
• 32:26
  All right, so let's end this episode on a positive note since
• 32:30
  we both collectively didn't like what we were given with this.
• 32:33
  However, that's fine. Let's name two things that we
• 32:36
  like from each episode. From start with episode or like
• 32:40
  each. Arc Oh I'm sorry from each arc.
• 32:42
  My bad. I liked the gold lightsaber
• 32:44
  combat. Yes, very nice.
• 32:47
  I liked the those little creatures.
• 32:50
  Of the water. Fun creature people.
• 32:53
  Yeah, I felt bad for him, but yeah.
• 32:55
  But mainly I liked I liked that. How about you?
• 33:01
  You're. Really.
• 33:05
  You're really struggling to get that out there.
• 33:08
  I I think that's all I liked. Yeah, your turn.
• 33:13
  Your turn. I really liked the reference to
• 33:21
  Quinlan and that he said that he loved her that for sure it's
• 33:25
  like an ex Jedi. That's like a big deal that he's
• 33:27
  it's a big deal to say that and mean it and not care that Obi
• 33:31
  Wan hears him say it. Yeah, even Obi Wan gave him like
• 33:34
  a consoling. Touch Yeah, yeah, I also just
• 33:38
  thought that Ventress looked awesome and her like Mika's
• 33:42
  performance was so good. I I love her voice.
• 33:47
  Yeah, it's a very unique character all around and her
• 33:51
  voice really does drive it home just how unique this character
• 33:54
  is and and how dynamic she is. Yeah, I thought her performance
• 33:58
  was really understated and really nice.
• 34:00
  There was that little spice of ventress in there.
• 34:03
  But you, you could feel the weight of her history, you know?
• 34:07
  And her, her voice, her tone of voice.
• 34:09
  It was believable. It was very believable.
• 34:11
  All right, how about the Cadbane arc?
• 34:20
  I liked the scene setting, they were world developing.
• 34:24
  Oh man, they still mine. Oh, well, I mean, we can, We
• 34:28
  can, I mean, you described it the best.
• 34:31
  Everything else excluded, it really built like a foundation.
• 34:36
  I think that was unspoken and, and, and that's what we like
• 34:40
  about the worlds of Star Wars. Yeah.
• 34:43
  You know, those subtleties that really form whatever the, I
• 34:47
  don't know, environment. Yeah, Will.
• 34:51
  Of a character. I also really did like how good
• 34:55
  the good cop was. I really wanted him to prevail
• 34:58
  even though I knew it wasn't going to happen.
• 35:00
  But I really, honestly, I like the surprise at the end that the
• 35:03
  paternity test came back positive for I, I really did.
• 35:06
  I was not expecting that. And I might, I, I may have even
• 35:09
  like, you know, at the end. So it did that for me.
• 35:14
  That was a surprise. I I was not expecting.
• 35:17
  Yeah. Well, how about you?
• 35:20
  I like the the set like the art is the city was really cool and
• 35:26
  beautiful, and I like the High Noon reference even though it's
• 35:30
  not my favorite movie. I think it's cool when they
• 35:34
  reference classic films and stuff like that so I can respect
• 35:39
  it even though it's still a bit of a boring plot line.
• 35:42
  At the time I think High Noon was a big deal, but now it's.
• 35:47
  Well, it works with these characters too.
• 35:49
  I mean, I can't see too many other characters in Star Wars
• 35:52
  that would have worked under the guise of High Noon, but it it
• 35:56
  did kind of work for this, despite how depressing.
• 36:01
  Opportunity missed, but at least it was pretty and it felt, you
• 36:04
  know, it's nice to feel that tie to Clone Wars that they're
• 36:08
  still, you know, they still have a finger on the pulse of Clone
• 36:12
  Wars a little bit. Till the next round, I guess.
• 36:21
  All right, we've had enough. We're going back to Clone Wars.
• 36:25
  In fact, we're going back to one of the greatest Clone Wars arcs
• 36:30
  that we still have not discussed in detail, and that would be the
• 36:33
  Geon Ocean arc. Landing at Point Rain Weapons
• 36:36
  factory. Reign of Terror, What's it
• 36:39
  called? Legacy of terror?
• 36:41
  Legacy of terror and brain invaders?
• 36:44
  Is that the order that they're in?
• 36:45
  Yeah, I think so. You got it.
• 36:46
  We're. Going to do them.
• 36:48
  We, we're going from the underworld to the top of the
• 36:51
  world as far as we're, we're concerned with storytelling,
• 36:54
  animation, performances. By all the vocal, the cast, I
• 36:59
  mean. Peek this Peek Sass.
• 37:01
  Yes. Oh, and then some.
• 37:04
  We're going to visit that Arc 1 glorious episode at a time, and
• 37:07
  there are four. So buckle up, baby.
• 37:10
  We're going back to Star Wars, Clone Wars.
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