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- 0:57Arthi Rabikrisson: Hi there, I'm Arthi Rabikrisson.
- 1:03Arthi Rabikrisson: Hello.
- 1:05Malika Petersen: I'm Malika Petersen.
- 1:06Malika Petersen: Welcome to the Swan Effect.
- 1:08Arthi Rabikrisson: Podcast we're your go-to podcast to simplify the complexities of money management, investing and wealth management.
- 1:18Malika Petersen: So that you can gain confidence in your relationship with money and become financially literate, independent and free.
- 1:26Arthi Rabikrisson: That first step towards freedom is knowledge, and you can start with gaining that right now by listening to this upcoming episode.
- 1:34Arthi Rabikrisson: Happy April everyone, and welcome back to the Swan Effect podcast, where we share those useful financial ideas and trusty tips to help you feel more confident in managing your money and, of course, to get closer to financial freedom.
- 1:54Arthi Rabikrisson: Malika and I are truly having a ball this season as we help you become your own financial superhero, taking some well-known and wealthy superheroes' ideas and translating it into what we could do today.
- 2:08Arthi Rabikrisson: If you've been listening already, we are really here to help you get into that wealth mindset and march into action.
- 2:16Arthi Rabikrisson: And, of course, today we're going to be diving even further into a key trait that's part of our action plans and that is resilience.
- 2:25Arthi Rabikrisson: We want to help you reset that button.
- 2:27Arthi Rabikrisson: So, of course, welcome Malika.
- 2:29Arthi Rabikrisson: I hope you've been having a wonderful Ramadan, hi Arthi.
- 2:34Malika Petersen: I am doing well.
- 2:35Malika Petersen: I must admit that Ramadan this year has really taught me a lot about the topic of this episode, which is resilience.
- 2:44Malika Petersen: A lot about the topic of this episode, which is resilience.
- 2:48Malika Petersen: There were times through the month where I must admit that my appetite for immediate gratification almost got the better of me oh my gosh.
- 2:54Malika Petersen: But I dived deep and I found the strength and resilience to continue.
- 2:59Arthi Rabikrisson: I'm very proud of you, malika, and also thanks so much for being vulnerable and actually sharing something like that and, of course, it much for being vulnerable and actually sharing something like that and of course, it means it's top of mind for you.
- 3:07Arthi Rabikrisson: So I mean, let's dive in, let's actually share with our listeners.
- 3:11Arthi Rabikrisson: What can they expect from our episode today?
- 3:14Malika Petersen: Well, listeners, you're going to love this resilience reset right, Because we want you to feel strong, to be able to adapt and keep moving forward when they set their obstacles and the inevitable tough times.
- 3:28Malika Petersen: As we've discussed before, building wealth isn't just about making smart investments or finding a high-paying job.
- 3:35Malika Petersen: It's really about being able to navigate all of those challenges, the failures and the unexpected moments that can throw you off course, and resilience is really the key to mastering that.
- 3:48Arthi Rabikrisson: Yeah.
- 3:48Arthi Rabikrisson: So whether it's bouncing back from financial setbacks, delaying your gratification, learning from mistakes or just staying committed to your goals over the long term, resilience is a muscle everyone we all need to build.
- 4:02Arthi Rabikrisson: There is so much to share, from motivation to practical ideas and real-world examples.
- 4:07Arthi Rabikrisson: It's all so exciting.
- 4:08Arthi Rabikrisson: Malika, you know these are things all up my alley.
- 4:11Malika Petersen: Absolutely.
- 4:12Malika Petersen: Mine too, arti.
- 4:13Malika Petersen: So let's break down what resilience actually means when it comes to creating wealth.
- 4:19Malika Petersen: Right, so we all know and understand the basics Resilience is the ability to bounce back from adversity, but in the context of building wealth, it is really about that long-term perspective.
- 4:33Malika Petersen: It's about being able to adapt to new circumstances and being willing to take calculated risks.
- 4:39Malika Petersen: Now, when you're creating wealth, you are going to hit walls I need to state this again because I think so many people think they don't and the difference between those who are wealthy and those who are not as wealthy is that those who are wealthy understand that this is going to happen and they bounce back as soon as it happens.
- 5:00Malika Petersen: So there will be financial mistakes soon as it happens.
- 5:06Malika Petersen: So there will be financial mistakes.
- 5:07Malika Petersen: There are going to be bad investments or missed opportunities or sometimes even failures with your business or your career, but truly resilient people don't let those setbacks define them.
- 5:15Malika Petersen: They learn from those experiences, they tweak their strategies and they keep on moving forward.
- 5:22Malika Petersen: While creation is not about avoiding failure, it's really about how you respond to it.
- 5:31Arthi Rabikrisson: Yeah, I think you've put it so well and, importantly, where you said resilience isn't about bouncing back.
- 5:39Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, it's really about staying flexible.
- 5:41Arthi Rabikrisson: Everyone, we know the financial world changes so fast.
- 5:45Arthi Rabikrisson: Market conditions are shifting all the time, as we know.
- 5:49Arthi Rabikrisson: New technologies gosh, we can't keep pace with it.
- 5:52Arthi Rabikrisson: It's just emerging and evolving so quickly and, of course, in order to build wealth long-term wealth that is you need to be resilient enough to change your approach when it's needed.
- 6:03Arthi Rabikrisson: And you know, actually it's making me think of Spider-Man Malika.
- 6:08Arthi Rabikrisson: You know Spidey I like to call him Spidey, but Peter Parker, that was the character.
- 6:13Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, he was a broke student right, and then he was a struggling photographer at one point and then he became a tech billionaire briefly and then destroyed everything because he was being controlled by Dr Otto Octavius.
- 6:29Arthi Rabikrisson: Remember that evil character?
- 6:30Arthi Rabikrisson: that was there, and then he went back to being a salary earner, but he kept deepening his existing skills, he learned new ones and I mean that's what's coming to my mind.
- 6:42Arthi Rabikrisson: There's so much of perseverance and flexibility that kind of went on in that timeline.
- 6:48Malika Petersen: Yeah, now that you've said it, I actually totally see where the parallels are.
- 6:52Malika Petersen: Those are nice, that's pretty cool.
- 6:53Malika Petersen: So resilience isn't just about getting knocked down and getting back up right.
- 7:00Malika Petersen: It's about evolving and learning new skills and being agile in the face of shifting certain.
- 7:07Malika Petersen: I always call it failing forward.
- 7:09Malika Petersen: Right, you have to evolve when you get back up, and that kind of leads us to the next thing we're talking about how to develop that particular kind of resistance.
- 7:19Malika Petersen: So how do you actually build up resistance?
- 7:22Malika Petersen: And it's not just like you wake up one morning and you suddenly build a tool for made of titanium.
- 7:28Malika Petersen: That's not how it works.
- 7:31Malika Petersen: It really does take practice, mindset shifts and a commitment to personal goals.
- 7:38Malika Petersen: So, aati, you tell us what's your take on, kind of the first step.
- 7:43Arthi Rabikrisson: Oh, you've pretty much said it, hay.
- 7:44Arthi Rabikrisson: That first step is really about shifting mindset.
- 7:48Arthi Rabikrisson: Everyone I mean remember, resilience is largely about how you think about failure and challenges.
- 7:55Arthi Rabikrisson: If you view setbacks as a full stop rather than a pause, meaning like a semicolon or a comma, say, then well, you're pretty much going to have an increasingly smaller bubble in which to play in, right.
- 8:09Arthi Rabikrisson: But if you see them as learning opportunities, it means you start to reframe your failures as stepping stones to something even better.
- 8:19Malika Petersen: So you pick yourself up, dust yourself off and give it a go again.
- 8:24Malika Petersen: Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, like Professor X.
- 8:28Malika Petersen: Chelsea Xavier's school for gifted youngsters in the X-Men how many times did it get completely demolished in a battle, right?
- 8:39Arthi Rabikrisson: Too many times.
- 8:40Malika Petersen: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it get completely demolished in a battle right.
- 8:40Arthi Rabikrisson: Too many times.
- 8:41Arthi Rabikrisson: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Exactly, but despite that, he kept rebuilding it and enhancing it each and every time.
- 8:46Malika Petersen: He made it better every time.
- 8:47Arthi Rabikrisson: Yeah, I love that.
- 8:49Arthi Rabikrisson: That's actually a great example, malika.
- 8:50Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, he would see the destruction of the school as a failure for him, right, because he couldn't protect, you know, the school, the youngsters, but you know, actually, instead he protect, you know, the school, the youngsters, but you know, actually, instead he embraced this failure as a lesson.
- 9:10Arthi Rabikrisson: Now, of course, in a financial sense, everyone I mean I can think of enough decisions that I made that led to some really interesting financial mistakes.
- 9:14Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, I'll share one with you, malika, when I was much younger and, I guess, just starting out working, you know, I took out a really costly short-term debt to help out family at the time.
- 9:25Arthi Rabikrisson: But you know, I was young, I was naive and, to be honest, maybe I just wasn't even interested.
- 9:30Arthi Rabikrisson: I didn't read the fine print in terms of what I was signing up to repay and boy oh boy did I get a shocker of actually how much I had to.
- 9:43Arthi Rabikrisson: And boy oh boy did.
- 9:44Malika Petersen: I get a shocker of actually how much I had to, how much I actually ended up having to pay.
- 9:46Malika Petersen: That's crazy.
- 9:47Arthi Rabikrisson: It wasn't pretty.
- 9:48Arthi Rabikrisson: It was not pretty and in fact, it actually hamstrung me quite a bit in terms of my ability to save for a while for a while, you know.
- 9:55Arthi Rabikrisson: So I mean that taught me some really valuable lessons and, you know, spurred me on to do things far more wisely since then and you know, if I think about it as well it's helped me deliberately refine my wealth building strategy too, which I think brings me to another step in building resilience, which is actually being patient.
- 10:14Arthi Rabikrisson: Everyone, you know, I took on that debt on the spur of the moment, thinking, oh, I can solve this problem pretty quickly.
- 10:20Arthi Rabikrisson: Right, it was there, it was easy, boom, I've got it.
- 10:23Arthi Rabikrisson: But actually I landed up in hot water.
- 10:26Arthi Rabikrisson: So everyone I want to say, patience and timing is really important, especially when building wealth sustainably.
- 10:34Arthi Rabikrisson: Right, it ties into the mindset step that we were just talking about, because when you're resilient, you stop expecting quick wins and you start thinking about the longer term 100%, and I mean, I think, to bold resilience.
- 10:48Malika Petersen: you need to practice emotional regulation.
- 10:51Malika Petersen: It is really important, right?
- 10:54Malika Petersen: The reality is, wealth creation can be stressful, because very often we're needing to make certain decisions and sacrifices that enable us to create wealth, and when that doesn't go right, your emotion gets out of getting in the way of your decision making and you can feel very, very stressed about it.
- 11:14Malika Petersen: So when the market crashes or you face a business setback, you really can't afford to panic and I know that's very, very difficult to say, but you can't afford to panic.
- 11:26Malika Petersen: It is important to learn to stay calm, to focus on what the next move is going to be, and also not to make hasty decisions based on fear or frustration.
- 11:37Malika Petersen: That's a skill that will serve you well in the long term, not only about finances, but everything.
- 11:43Arthi Rabikrisson: In general as well.
- 11:44Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, I think you're underscoring such an important point here.
- 11:47Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean staying calm, focusing on the long-term goals instead of just the short-term emotional rollercoaster.
- 11:53Arthi Rabikrisson: I think it really makes all the difference.
- 11:55Arthi Rabikrisson: And I mean, to that end, another key component of resilience is surrounding yourself with the right people.
- 12:02Arthi Rabikrisson: So people who will support your goals, people who will challenge you as well when it's necessary to do so and, of course, keep you accountable.
- 12:12Arthi Rabikrisson: So having that strong network of mentors, of peers, of advisors, that can also make a huge difference.
- 12:20Arthi Rabikrisson: So here's it everyone.
- 12:21Arthi Rabikrisson: Resilience doesn't mean that you have to do everything on your own.
- 12:25Arthi Rabikrisson: If you can tap into a really supportive community, it can give you that huge boost, especially when times get tough.
- 12:33Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, if we think about like our superheroes right, that's why we have the X-Men, they're a collective the Defenders, the Guardians of the Galaxy, you know, the Justice.
- 12:43Malika Petersen: League, the Avengers as well, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's definitely, you know, strength in support and numbers.
- 12:50Malika Petersen: So developing resilience is about mindset, emotional control and a strong support network.
- 12:58Malika Petersen: But let's not forget, resilience also comes from taking care of your health.
- 13:03Malika Petersen: Very important.
- 13:04Malika Petersen: Physical and mental well-being play a huge role when it comes to you being able to handle feedback, and you can't push through obstacles if you're running on empty.
- 13:16Arthi Rabikrisson: Oh for sure.
- 13:16Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, you're just going to be so drained out.
- 13:19Arthi Rabikrisson: Oh, it impacts everything, marika, everything.
- 13:21Arthi Rabikrisson: Okay, it sounds like we've covered the foundational pieces of resilience.
- 13:25Arthi Rabikrisson: Now let's get into some real world examples of people who have demonstrated incredible resilience on their path to wealth creation.
- 13:34Arthi Rabikrisson: So you know who actually comes to my mind?
- 13:36Arthi Rabikrisson: Malika and this is something I was reading about like fairly recently, but it's an inspiring story of Rihanna, right.
- 13:45Arthi Rabikrisson: So I mean, she came from a home where there was addiction, you know, in the family unit.
- 13:52Arthi Rabikrisson: It was obviously causing a lot of marital issues with her parents.
- 13:56Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, you know, as a child growing up in that environment, I'm sure it must not have been easy in any shape or form.
- 14:02Arthi Rabikrisson: So she turned to music as a way to cope, as a way to, you know, extract herself from that situation and escape, if you want to call it.
- 14:11Arthi Rabikrisson: And you know, as it would have it, you know she was part of this little teenage band group from school and you know, kind of luck was in her favor a little bit, because her band was like, doing like pretty well.
- 14:23Arthi Rabikrisson: But you know, one of the members did an introduction to a music producer when he listened to the band and I think Rihanna must have just like stood out.
- 14:33Arthi Rabikrisson: He just realized, oh wow, this is a really talented young lady and you know it landed up her, you know, moving from her home country, barbados, into the US and a whole host of things, and ultimately, yeah, cut a long story short we know where she is right now.
- 14:49Arthi Rabikrisson: Right, she's a savvy businesswoman, she's a philanthropist and she, of course, diversified her income streams away from music into beauty, into fashion, as well as other ventures too.
- 15:02Arthi Rabikrisson: So for me, I mean quite inspiring in terms of where you could start and where you could actually continue your, your wealth journey and your growth you know, absolutely, and I mean for me.
- 15:12Malika Petersen: Another example that stands out is obviously oprah winfrey, right she went from being fired from a tv station but you know, to kind of becoming one of the most successful and influential women in the world.
- 15:25Malika Petersen: I always say to my kids that you should build buildings and houses and mansions on the bricks that others throw at you, and I think Oprah's definitely achieved that right.
- 15:37Malika Petersen: Her story is truly a testament to resilience.
- 15:40Malika Petersen: Achieved that right, her story is truly a testament to resilience.
- 15:45Malika Petersen: I mean, yes, so many challenges poverty, discrimination, abuse, failure each and every experience as fuel to grow stronger and more focused on her visions.
- 15:54Malika Petersen: Yeah, she's another example yeah, oh, nice, nice.
- 15:58Arthi Rabikrisson: Also, I don't want us to forget someone like Sarah Blakey.
- 16:02Arthi Rabikrisson: Remember her, the founder of Spanx?
- 16:04Arthi Rabikrisson: Yeah, we love her.
- 16:05Arthi Rabikrisson: Yeah, we do, we really really do.
- 16:07Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, we appreciate her Exactly In the face of rejection, right Again, rejecting her product, trying to get it into stores.
- 16:16Arthi Rabikrisson: You know, it's so easy.
- 16:18Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean, I understand this as a founder If people are rejecting you, I mean you're going to want to crawl into your hole and, just like you know, not want to come out.
- 16:27Arthi Rabikrisson: But you know, instead of giving up, she persisted.
- 16:29Arthi Rabikrisson: She learned the ropes of her business and I mean, look at it today, it's an empire, right.
- 16:34Arthi Rabikrisson: So her resilience allowed her to turn a small, simple idea that was going to help women into now well, it's helping men too, I believe turn it into a multi-billion dollar company, malika.
- 16:49Malika Petersen: I mean, these are just absolutely incredible stories, and they all demonstrate that resilience isn't about being perfect.
- 16:57Malika Petersen: It's about being willing to fail, to learn, to adapt and just to keep going, no matter what, no matter how long it takes, no matter how often you need to keep picking yourself up, do it, just don't give up right.
- 17:10Malika Petersen: It's also just about that ability to bounce back, but not necessarily to where you started.
- 17:15Malika Petersen: Sometimes you come back even stronger, more equipped for success.
- 17:19Malika Petersen: In fact, most times you come back more strong and more equipped for success.
- 17:22Malika Petersen: In fact, most times you come back more strong and more equal for success.
- 17:24Malika Petersen: So you know, now that we've heard some of the inspiring stories, let's just get into some practical tips, because I think that our listeners always love the little practical tips that they share, definitely For building resilience in our own wealth building.
- 17:38Malika Petersen: So, aiti, what is, you know, one thing that someone can do right now to build more resistance in their financial life?
- 17:46Arthi Rabikrisson: I think you and I we got more than one thing.
- 17:47Arthi Rabikrisson: So let's see what we come up with right.
- 17:49Arthi Rabikrisson: The one that really tops for me is you know, everyone starts by embracing.
- 17:55Arthi Rabikrisson: I think like these small failures.
- 17:57Arthi Rabikrisson: I know this sounds counterintuitive, like how does one embrace a failure?
- 18:01Arthi Rabikrisson: It's a difficult thing to do.
- 18:02Arthi Rabikrisson: Basically, it means just don't run away from the failure.
- 18:05Arthi Rabikrisson: Lean into it.
- 18:06Arthi Rabikrisson: For example, if you've made a bad investment, take the time to understand what went wrong.
- 18:12Arthi Rabikrisson: Think about what lesson can you learn from that.
- 18:15Arthi Rabikrisson: So view each lesson as a valuable teacher.
- 18:19Arthi Rabikrisson: Work with what is currently on your plate at this moment in time you know I'm sure we've all got different things going on currently in terms of our financial situation and figure out well what positive could come from the situation that I'm in.
- 18:32Arthi Rabikrisson: You know it's going to be difficult, but keep thinking in this way and actually see what comes forward from that everybody.
- 18:39Malika Petersen: Absolutely great advice.
- 18:41Malika Petersen: I'd also say right, practice self-care and manage stress.
- 18:47Malika Petersen: Now, I know that there are very many people out there who try to avoid their stress All together.
- 18:53Malika Petersen: They pretend it's not there.
- 18:55Malika Petersen: You know, they're kind of like, oh no, it doesn't exist.
- 18:58Malika Petersen: Take the time each day to de-stress, whether that's through exercise, meditation or just simple taking a breath, even if you feel like you've had a good day.
- 19:07Malika Petersen: Right, yeah, take time to just close your eyes, think through the events of the day, because if you're physically and mentally strong, you'll be able to have times a lot better.
- 19:17Malika Petersen: Dust off some books you've been meaning to read.
- 19:20Malika Petersen: Start with chapter one, right.
- 19:22Malika Petersen: Block out time in your evening.
- 19:23Malika Petersen: Put your phone down, please.
- 19:25Malika Petersen: Yeah, I'm begging.
- 19:28Malika Petersen: Block out time in the evening or morning to get that physical activity in fact.
- 19:34Malika Petersen: Block out time in your calendar this week to just be mindful.
- 19:37Malika Petersen: Right, mindfulness and and presence does this for stress alleviation.
- 19:44Arthi Rabikrisson: Oh, yes, I mean Malika, the research is out there about that.
- 19:47Arthi Rabikrisson: Right, it's there, it's true, everyone.
- 19:49Arthi Rabikrisson: So I love that tip.
- 19:50Arthi Rabikrisson: I would say an additional one would be not to forget to set those long-term goals.
- 19:56Arthi Rabikrisson: Keep your eyes on the prize, everybody, but at the same time you can still break those goals down into smaller achievable steps and then celebrate the wins along the way as you get to them.
- 20:08Arthi Rabikrisson: Right, resilience grows when you see the progress, no matter how small.
- 20:12Arthi Rabikrisson: So keep track of your progress.
- 20:14Arthi Rabikrisson: Be sure to reward yourself for hitting those milestones.
- 20:17Arthi Rabikrisson: I would say you know, go now open up your Word document or your notebook whatever it is that's your preference Write down some of your goals you know today as you're listening to us and then use the 90-day methodology to work through.
- 20:31Arthi Rabikrisson: So what that 90-day methodology is break your longer-term goal over a shorter period into 90-day milestones, three-month sprints, everybody, and then that will help you as you get to those three-month goals, gets you closer and closer to that long-term goal.
- 20:47Malika Petersen: That's a great one, Aki.
- 20:48Malika Petersen: I really like that.
- 20:49Malika Petersen: Lastly, I just want to add that we should stay open to learning always and forever, whether it's reading books, listening to podcasts or networking with others.
- 21:01Malika Petersen: Keep developing your knowledge and skills.
- 21:03Malika Petersen: They'll help you to stay adaptable and resilient in the face of changes.
- 21:09Arthi Rabikrisson: You know I'm loving I always love these practical steps of ours and I think with that, malika, we're actually at the end of our episode.
- 21:16Arthi Rabikrisson: What would be your parting shot for today?
- 21:20Malika Petersen: So I think, for me, Arthi, there was something that you said that really stood out for me today, and it was about embracing those small failures.
- 21:29Malika Petersen: Right, it's something that I have difficulty with and I certainly do need to focus on, and I think that if we can embrace small failures, it will teach us how to become more resilient when those bigger failures hit us.
- 21:43Malika Petersen: So that's kind of my parting shot.
- 21:45Malika Petersen: My parting shot is embrace the little failures.
- 21:47Malika Petersen: It's all good, it's okay.
- 21:49Malika Petersen: I could potentially lose to my kids in 30 seconds once or twice, it'll be okay.
- 21:53Malika Petersen: It won't be the end of the world.
- 21:55Malika Petersen: What about you, aunty?
- 21:57Malika Petersen: What is your parting shot?
- 21:59Arthi Rabikrisson: Okay, I would say you know everyone.
- 22:06Arthi Rabikrisson: If you could imagine being as elastic as Mr Fantastic or Elastigirl, if you remember those characters, then I mean you can become it.
- 22:11Arthi Rabikrisson: So in other words, if you imagine it, you can become it, that manifestation process both in life and in your finances.
- 22:18Arthi Rabikrisson: So stretch yourself to be able to achieve more than where you're currently at.
- 22:23Arthi Rabikrisson: I mean you will be very, very surprised everybody at how these deliberate actions you take can lead to mindset shifts and, of course, build that resilience, that slingshot to success is being rich everybody.
- 22:39Arthi Rabikrisson: That's so cool indeed, and it starts with you listeners.
- 22:43Arthi Rabikrisson: So reset, revive and let's move forward to thrive.
- 22:47Arthi Rabikrisson: Until next time, everyone, ciao, until next time, ciao.
- 22:55Malika Petersen: Thanks for joining us.
- 22:56Malika Petersen: We hope you found these ideas and guidance useful.
- 23:00Arthi Rabikrisson: We're both seasoned in the investments industry.
- 23:03Arthi Rabikrisson: Malika is at the coalface of how, where and why people invest the way they do.
- 23:10Malika Petersen: I certainly am, and you, Arthi.
- 23:13Malika Petersen: You've witnessed different types of investor behaviors around money too, and now work as a global award-winning coach to free us from the mindsets that stop us from becoming financially free.
- 23:26Arthi Rabikrisson: Do subscribe, share and write a review, or send us comments.
- 23:30Arthi Rabikrisson: We would love to hear from you.
- 23:32Arthi Rabikrisson: Catch you on the next episode After Swan Effect podcast.
- 23:37Arthi Rabikrisson: Bye for now, ciao.