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NBA Game 1 upsets, Dane Mizutani talks T-Wolves & Vikings · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Good afternoon. Welcome to Miller and Condon.
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  On a Tuesday, the Iowa Sports Radio Network back out of
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  talking Iowa based programming for the next 5 hours and thank
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  you for starting your afternoon here with Trent Condon and
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  myself. We'll take you until 2:00 and
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  turn things over at that time to the drive with Heather and of
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  course, Lucas. Did I hear you singing this
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  before the show began? I.
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  Was pounded and out on the desk. I thought so.
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  I thought, what? I've popped into the other
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  studio. I thought I heard that over
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  there. So yeah, we took it a step
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  further for you and get that little ear worm going for you
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  here. Today I'm very glad.
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  I'm glad I got to see Elton John at the the Red Piano Tour, I
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  think it was called. It's Caesars in Las Vegas few
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  years before that wrapped up. Anyways, here's what's coming up
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  with us. Dane Mazzutani covers, well, it
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  covers the Vikings. He's their beat writer.
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  But when the Vikings aren't in the headlines, he pinch hits
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  covering the Minnesota Timberwolves and they host game
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  one of their series tonight with Golden State.
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  That's an 830 ish tip and we'll talk to Dane Mazatani about
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  that. We'll do some Vikings the latest
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  on them as well. And that comes up here about the
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  the bottom of the hour. Hour number two.
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  We missed Alec Bussey yesterday as he was moving, but today he's
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  going to join us. Man oh man, has he ever been
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  pumping out the content at cyclonealert.com?
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  I'm kind of glad we missed him yesterday because there's a lot
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  to discuss here today with all of the content he put out.
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  Football related, some basketball stuff as well.
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  But Bussy kicks off the second hour of our program and then
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  we'll talk to our friend Bill Bender, cover sports at the
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  Sporting News. We'll talk to Bill Bender about
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  a variety of topics. We'll do that at 1:30.
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  Turn things over to Trent for his plays of the day.
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  Circus sports sponsor those. I just thinking back to
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  yesterday, I know you swept both NBA games.
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  Did you have a good day yesterday?
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  The best day that I could have. Did you sweep?
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  Did you? Were you?
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  Perfecto, we hit the board. How about that?
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  I don't know, start to the week just.
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  Another perfect day in the life of betting on sports for our
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  French rank college. They're a rarity, there is no
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  doubt, but it's good to get off to that good start and to do it
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  in that kind of fashion where I saw this.
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  If you would have bet the dogs in the first three-game ones
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  we've seen in the NBA about 70 to 1 money line for the three of
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  them, you would have parlayed those three together.
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  You'd be sitting pretty right now.
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  I'll put those ones together. So Indiana and then the two from
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  last night. And there were long stretches of
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  both the NBA games last night. I'm dead.
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  Yeah, there. There's no way, certainly.
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  The Knicks. Yes, there's no way getting
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  basically double digits in both games.
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  I'm going to get a cover, not only get a cover.
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  Got a win 2 outright victories right win yeah absolutely you
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  took the points and you both easy covers than that one you
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  know what I'll I'll say this about the NBA last night they
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  needed. That.
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  The NHL has been just kicking the crap out of them as far as
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  intrigue and I know this is just fan speaking so keep that in
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  mind. What I'm about to say NHL, Who's
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  the first round opposed to the first round of the NBA?
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  It wasn't even close in my opinion for the drama.
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  Were you looking at my notes? Because right at the top of my
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  notes I have the exact same thing.
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  Really. The NBA?
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  This is the jump start, maybe, hopefully.
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  That. Yep, they needed starting with
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  All right Sunday. No Pacers calves.
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  Oh, we get an upset, a little bit of intrigue.
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  We're general sports fans learning about both of these
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  teams a little bit more, right? There's something, but we're not
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  going to get anything Monday night.
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  Wouldn't think so, but both big favourites.
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  I mean, the Celtics are playing for crying out loud.
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  Yeah, the rest versus the rest part of it.
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  And what happens? Boom, you get one.
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  Seed versus one seed. It adds intrigue to the series
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  because I think with all of those series, you can make a
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  pretty strong argument that it felt like we're looking at maybe
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  4142 at best. With those now, I think the
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  equation changes and I think this will allow, again, the
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  casual fan we know, NBA fans, you're in.
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  Yep. It's not about that.
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  It's about that next year. And for most of us here in the
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  state of Iowa, we're in that tier.
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  Basketball, I mean college sports, the the big two are
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  behind us. Wrestling and women's
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  basketball, you know, aside they matter.
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  But but men's basketball, football obviously not playing
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  in these months. And now this is the jump start
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  and I'm right there with you. I thought it was incredible last
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  night. I want to start with something
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  with you that you mentioned to me off the air before we came
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  on. I don't remember what it was.
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  OKC down the stretch. Yeah, what were they doing?
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  Extending the game. What's the rush to foul?
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  I mean, honestly, Trent. I didn't get it.
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  I didn't understand it. I couldn't wrap my mind around
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  it. That's something.
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  Now again, same thing. We don't watch the NBA as much.
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  Maybe this is more normal happenstance.
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  Can't. Be.
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  But with 18 seconds, you're starting to stretch out the game
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  at that point. And not that you're five, you
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  don't want him to hit three. That it's A1 point game, get it
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  back to three. I hated it, absolutely hated it
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  at the time and. Then Holmgren's clanking too.
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  Free, yeah. And not just to miss one and
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  then to get a three on the other end.
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  And as he's hoisting, I'm like, go to the rib.
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  No, no, no, he had other plans Swish.
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  And then you know what that when they inbounded the ball with two
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  point was it Williams that took the that took the full court.
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  He for the most part, the ball was pretty close.
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  I mean, he hit backboard. I'm not saying, you know, it
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  would have been an unbelievable finish, but that would have
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  added to the night, especially if you didn't have a rooting
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  interest in the game. I mean, I just want these series
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  to keep going, right. Well, OK, enough of the enough
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  of the dogs. Let's get a favorite home
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  tonight, the T Wolves, they'll be hosting Golden State.
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  Man, oh, man, the opinions of these NBA playoffs pursuant to
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  the nearest team to us in the NBA, the Minnesota Timberwolves
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  had zero chance to beat the Lakers.
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  LeBron, it's Luca, and we saw what happened.
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  Now the country seemingly has, I don't want to say Timber,
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  Timberwolf Fever, T Wolf Fever, but you can't find too many
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  people that are picking Golden State to win this series.
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  Trent. Coming back the other way and I
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  kind of hearing the same kind of thing, right?
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  You get that kind of tepid feeling.
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  Why doesn't anybody want the Warriors, right?
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  Yes, we understand they're not deep, they're veteran.
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  Yep. Well, it's still the Warriors.
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  We have seen this even in recent history when they've been called
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  no chance and they've been able to do it.
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  So I'm with you. I I'm surprised at the narrative
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  as we talked about yesterday with the betting line in this
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  series. I was surprised by that.
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  I thought it'd be a little bit tighter, but tighter.
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  But maybe it's just as simple as you beat a public team like the
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  Lakers, a lot more people start to jump on that band wiping too.
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  It is strange though, I mean, Lebron's no longer in the
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  playoffs. We just turned the calendar to
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  May and he's he's done. It's I mean, get used to it,
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  right? Not getting any younger and be
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  41 next year. We'll see where it goes.
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  Not trying to, you know, push him, put him out the pasture by
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  any means, but it's just odd that that he's not around.
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  Well, we'll see what happens to tonight.
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  Look forward to catching up with Moussutani.
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  How big of a factor is Gobert in this series?
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  Is he as big a factor tonight as he was against the Lakers?
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  Are these are the Warriors and the Lakers built similarly when
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  it comes to the the five spot on the floor?
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  It's Draymond and he's such an incredible defensive player.
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  For a guy that is what, 6-8? To be able to defend the level
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  that he does, to be able to defensively switch everything.
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  And he's so good defensively, Trent.
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  He can. Do you want to go pick and roll?
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  Do you remember him in college? Yeah.
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  Was he that good in college? Yes, on that end of the floor.
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  Oh, absolutely. Was he?
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  But it was also, well, he played for Izzle, of course.
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  Right? Right.
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  Right. But I mean, was he as dominant
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  though? No, I mean, you wouldn't think
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  of him as that. You knew he was a tremendous
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  defensive player and great defensive team, but you wouldn't
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  think that this is going to translate because 6-8 guys
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  playing center don't translate, right?
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  It hasn't happened. In the Big 10.
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  This is not a what he did, Coles, back in the day.
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  Who's the Celtics guy? It starts with Cowan.
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  Cowan. Yeah.
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  That's not who this is. That that's not that doesn't
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  happen. That was 50 years ago.
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  No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. 50 years ago,
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  that's not what this is, yet Draymond's able to do that.
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  So to expect that yet his ability to do those kind of
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  things and Gobert, he was tremendous last time out.
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  But you and I, we know that that guy can be a disappearing act
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  and things can go poorly and he can get stupid fouls and all of
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  a sudden he is out of the game and he becomes very negligible.
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  I I'm concerned about Draymond with that part of what he is as
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  a player and how smart he is and coming down the lane.
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  But secondly, this is still Anthony Edwards team and Ant
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  loves to talk. Oh boy, Draymond loves to talk.
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  Yes indeed. And as good as Ant is, and he is
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  elite at so many things, who has the advantage in the crack
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  talking? Yeah, I mean, there's this guy's
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  on a whole different. Level who do?
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  You think the NBA wants to see Kamara?
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  They won't have influence. I think the Warriors.
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  Do you still think because this Curry.
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  And I still think that because. The Sands is running out of the
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  hourglass. Ant's time is still ahead of
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  him. He's I mean, he's starting to
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  become one of the faces of this league.
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  I think, you know, for, for so many reasons.
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  I mean, you stick a microphone in front of him and I think he's
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  getting better. The cuss words in the middle of
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  his sentences this year, Seemingly they're down.
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  Going back a little. Bit 'cause.
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  They they have been exited completely though, right?
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  No, no, no. Periodically they'll pop up, but
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  such a great player he really is.
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  Naz Reid's going to be a factor in this series, I think tonight.
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  He has been all year long Randall Oscar, I can't wait for
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  this game tonight. I can't wait for this game
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  tonight, 8:30-ish for the tip in that one.
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  So we'll get to that. Then we'll talk to Dane
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  Moussatani about it get, you know, get his feel for the game
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  tonight. Cleveland is a the Cleveland,
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  Indiana game. If you're if you're if you're
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  wanting to bet on this game numbers going down.
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  And I think it's going down based on on one reason only and
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  that's availability because at the morning shoot around,
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  Mitchell was not there. I don't think Garland
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  participated this morning. The calves are banged up, Trent.
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  So that's the reason. The numbers going the other way.
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  We'll see if that continues. But man oh man, Can you imagine
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  Indiana jumping out before they get home to A2?
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  Nothing lead. Is it crazy to think that?
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  Well, we just saw it what, a year ago in the opening round
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  with the Timberwolves and the Nuggets, right?
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  And. 6/6. Apparently the road teams 66
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  that's crazy. The road teams won every game of
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  that series. So it can happen and it's
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  happened semi recently, but where am I going to be laying?
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  Well, we'll find out a little later.
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  Indeed, And you're hot. Joe joins the program.
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  Hi, Joe, How are you? Hey, good afternoon.
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  I want to weigh in on the Thunder debacle.
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  As an actual Thunder fan, you're the one in the market that
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  Dagenault over coached last. Night, did he OK?
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  Shay Gil, just Alexander, he was going to, he was going to
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  challenge a foul and SGA went up to McGraw and said don't
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  challenge us. I did foul Yokich.
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  He went ahead and challenged it anyways.
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  And towards the end there, yeah. I.
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  Imagine the the the training, the foul shots makes zero sense
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  because OK, you make the Nuggets shoot too.
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  Guess what they're going to make you shoot to, It's going to come
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  down to who missed, to Chet missed.
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  OK, Worst case scenario. Worst case scenario, they tie
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  it. You play for the last shot of
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  the game, Guess what, you go to overtime, Jokic doesn't have a
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  foul to get. Yeah, and where's, where's the
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  Thunder really going to excel this tournament?
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  They're bench. They're bench deeper than any
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  team in the NBA. Jokic fouls out.
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  Even Hartenstein and Holger had five fouls.
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  They didn't have fouls to give either.
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  But they can survive against the team without them too when the
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  other team loses a guy like Jokic.
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  Joe that that was a great point too.
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  This team built on Westbrook. Had five too.
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  Did he? He did, yeah.
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  That team that doesn't have the depth that you do, you go to
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  overtime, you go to overtime at home on top of it.
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  If you give up that 3 point shot, so be it.
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  But I, I think that's something I hadn't even come across
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  normally, huh? You, you give up a lead like
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  that, it's devastating. You're deeper, you're younger,
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  you're at home. I just don't see it as a big of
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  a deal and well. In a in a play for the last shot
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  they they tie it OK, play for the last shot.
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  You could get an off ball foul. Guess what you're going to the
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  line. I mean, it's Jagan all over
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  coached. It's uncharacteristic for him,
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  but yeah, he, he, he over coached that who do.
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  You fear most in the West, Joe. I oh 100% the T wolves T wolves
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  have played them a tough. They have they split I think or
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  they were, they were close games.
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  They did split. I just wish the Thunder.
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  I just wish, I just wish the Thunder could go and play
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  nothing but East teams in the playoffs.
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  Yeah, I think everybody in the West loves.
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  That Joe, thanks for calling. Appreciate the appreciate you
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  reaching out to call anytime. That's KC fan.
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  Yeah, I gotta be the one in the market right there can't be a
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  ton. Could be a fuse.
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  Maybe they jumped aboard, I mean.
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  Back in the back in the Big Three era.
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  Well, and when that was coming together again, we also got to
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  think of those formative years, right?
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  And Nope, Joe, maybe he's in his 20s and all of a sudden that was
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  the team when he was 8910 older he did.
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  But I'm gonna guess there's more than one in the market.
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  Probably so. Well, there's one that we know
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  of and it's Joe and I'm glad that he called in about his
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  squad. And look, I, I expect both teams
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  that got beat last night to even the series.
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  I do. I'm not saying it's a reverse
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  gentleman sweep. I mean, although the, the, the
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  Celtics could be, I mean, Trent, how do you miss 45 threes in the
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  game? Because you take that many
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  threes in the game, that's still that's what they do 60 threes,
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  60 that's the Celtics are not a very enjoyable watch.
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  Now, of course, when they're missing shots on top of it makes
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  it even less enjoyable. I don't like that brand of
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  basketball. I I this is old band yelling at
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  Cloud. I get it.
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  It's. Not, you know, I think there's a
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  lot of people like you. It just is not around and around
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  and here's the screen and then pop and the ball movement's
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  good. OK, But maybe this is also
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  reason I just don't love the NBA and I don't it's it's all levels
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  of basketball. We're still everybody's evolving
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  to the point where it's about the three-point shot either at
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  the rim or behind the arc. That's what you do at almost
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  every level of basketball. 60 but bright when you get to this.
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  Jesus, what fun is that, right? I get it, a three is worth more
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  than two. I completely understand all the
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  math behind it and everything that goes there.
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  It just isn't the beautiful game of basketball that I certainly
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  remember. All right, here's what I want to
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  go next. Stay in with basketball, but
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  moving to the college game pursuant to a big 10 school
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  hosting Iowa State. And did we know this because
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  Purdue put out their non conference schedule on X today.
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  And I'm looking through it just, you know, see what who see who
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  they're playing. Are they playing anybody tough
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  And they're I'm just I want to say December the 6th.
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  I don't have exactly I should find it, but I think it's
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  December the 6th. Purdue's playing Iowa State and
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  Mackie. Did we know that?
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  So you asked me before the show. I don't think so.
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  And then, and I don't know, you know how memories can work.
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  Then I was like, maybe we did know that regardless.
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  That's a great game. Kudo.
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  That's Cyhawk week too. It usually is.
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  Let me let me get my December calendar for me.
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  See how it matches up. Because that's usually the
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  Thursday. Now they have moved it around a
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  little bit, but it's usually that Thursday, the second
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  Thursday, oh. My God, you know what December
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  6th is? What are they doing?
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  Come on, what? Iowa State's going to be playing
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  for a football Big 12 championship, for crying out
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  loud. Well, that'll be at 11.
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  Put this game middle afternoon, maybe a night but.
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  It's not the only championship game of the day, Trent.
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  That's OK. I was playing at night.
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  Well, here's the thing, you can have multiple devices.
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  You can watch a multitude of ways.
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  We could even get you out of the house.
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  You know, there's these sports. Bars, There's those things.
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  That have all the games on, we could you get you out of the
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  basement, We could do that on a Saturday.
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  Night. That is such a great game.
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  Purdue, I don't know if they deserve to be, but you're seeing
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  a lot of pre season #1 per new Boilermakers.
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  I'm not sure I'd buy it. I bet them every year.
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  But and you know what happens to it?
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  Never go ahead, never get close to cashing.
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  That's. Too bad.
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  So is it the first or second Thursday of every year?
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  That is the second, the session. So that'd be the 11th this year.
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  So that'd be pushed back a little bit because there was the
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  year a couple years ago where Iowa got their game against Duke
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  in Chicago. Is that where that game was?
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  I don't. Recall, I know they played Duke,
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  yes, right around side. Didn't they have three games?
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  They did. They played.
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  I, I got it here. They played Duke on Tuesday the
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  6th. Yeah.
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  Iowa State two days later. Yep.
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  Then a Big 10 game. Maybe they had a Big 10 game
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  against Wisconsin after that, right?
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  And they how many years? Two or three.
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  That was two years ago. The 2020 two 23 season 2 years
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  back No. I like it.
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  I love that it's it's a great game.
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  It'll be a great test for both schools.
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  It will be because, you know, I think Iowa State's got it for
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  sure. A top 20 team, maybe a top 15
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  team. That's probably where they'll
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  start in the preseason, somewhere in that neighborhood
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  against the number one preseason, number one team.
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  December the 6th. It's a Saturday, and maybe it's
• 17:32
  up against the ACC because, well, Belichick will be
• 17:35
  coaching. Yeah, he's going to be coaching
• 17:38
  something else, I think at that point.
• 17:40
  Where will the where is it going to end?
• 17:42
  Look forward to talking to Bill Bender about that and other
• 17:44
  stuff. Speaking of Iowa State in the
• 17:45
  Big 12, you saw Brett your mark today.
• 17:48
  And his contract? Extended through 2030.
• 17:51
  I didn't find it interesting looking at the release and
• 17:54
  looking at some of the the news that came out of it that he was
• 17:59
  given an original five year contract but there was an opt
• 18:03
  out after two years. On his part or on the league's?
• 18:06
  Part on the league's part. That because he did things so
• 18:09
  differently, because come from a background maybe?
• 18:12
  This is not Bob. That's good.
• 18:15
  Kudos. Kudos.
• 18:16
  Yes to the big 12A. For taking a chance, but B,
• 18:20
  putting a safety net in there if it didn't work, and obviously it
• 18:23
  did work. Because who is the idiot for the
• 18:25
  PAC 12? Larry.
• 18:27
  Scott, Larry Scott. Do you remember what his
• 18:29
  background was? No, it was in sport, but he was
• 18:33
  like the commissioner of like the tennis tour, Yeah, like the
• 18:36
  APT or something like that, and it didn't work very well.
• 18:39
  No, well, I mean, look where his league is.
• 18:41
  And if there was an opt out a couple years in, because those
• 18:45
  murmurs were starting pretty early in his tenure, that maybe
• 18:49
  this guy wasn't cut out for this.
• 18:52
  Your remark, obviously it's worked out incredibly well.
• 18:54
  Forward thinking understands business, understands the
• 18:57
  business and is finding revenue streams in places that college
• 19:02
  the links had not really looked in so.
• 19:03
  Although he made a mistake this summer, moving the Big 12 media
• 19:06
  days away from. Vegas he did.
• 19:08
  I think that's selfish on our. Part well it is but it but you
• 19:11
  you can 500 people there last year.
• 19:14
  We'll just use that number. 500 media members covering his leak
• 19:18
  in Las Vegas. How many are going to Frisco, TX
• 19:21
  of that 500 half. It'll, well, it'll depend on how
• 19:24
  many Texas people come because we talked to also, I talked
• 19:26
  couple, couple of Texas base places that normally send a
• 19:30
  whole crew of 10/12/15 people and they send one or two.
• 19:33
  So it'll come, it'll go both ways, but I get where you're
• 19:35
  going. No, I don't think of.
• 19:36
  I mean, and the Big 10, to their credit, swooped right in.
• 19:38
  Absolutely. No wonder we'll take it.
• 19:40
  Your mark, though, what he has done, absolutely, really
• 19:43
  incredible job what he's done and the Big 12 also very, you
• 19:46
  know what? Kind of flies under the under
• 19:48
  the radar a little bit that, you know, because we've we've we've
• 19:51
  been impressed by the work that he's done that the football
• 19:56
  combine instead of, you know, scouts going to every outpost in
• 20:00
  the Big 12. They bring them all together.
• 20:02
  I think in Frisco too, right, I think it is, but that works or
• 20:06
  seemingly that I, I, I think that that's probably in best
• 20:10
  interest of the student athletes because every team's going to be
• 20:13
  there as opposed to, you know, spread out all over the Big 12
• 20:17
  footprint. So I think that's that's been a
• 20:18
  nice. A feather in his cap as well
• 20:20
  that maybe he doesn't get the credit that it deserves anyways.
• 20:24
  One more college football note I wonder I'm past do you saw Joel
• 20:27
  Clack came out with his post spring time you.
• 20:30
  Know what I did, And I listened to a good part of it.
• 20:33
  It was a long dissertation, but you know what?
• 20:35
  I think he's kind of hitting the right notes, right?
• 20:38
  Well, I always got a quarterback.
• 20:41
  On the local front, absolutely. Yeah.
• 20:43
  On the local front, I truly believe that both these teams
• 20:46
  are deserving a preseason top 25, even at at the fringe level.
• 20:51
  If they're not, you don't want to have one or the other in the
• 20:53
  top 25. They still need to be in the
• 20:55
  consideration. Iowa, you would have told me
• 21:00
  back in January when they finish up that game against Missouri.
• 21:03
  No way, no chance. I thought they were going to be
• 21:06
  there because of the schedule. They take on what three teams
• 21:10
  that were in the College Football Playoff, they go to
• 21:13
  Iowa State and earlier don't play Michigan and Ohio State.
• 21:16
  This is still an incredibly daunting schedule and I didn't
• 21:19
  think they were going to get there.
• 21:20
  But I do wonder about the new blood.
• 21:22
  You know, last year, the disappointment defensively, the
• 21:24
  step back that they took. Now they're still 11th in the
• 21:26
  country and scoring defense. That's a step back for them,
• 21:29
  Still top 20 in yardage per game and that's a step back for them.
• 21:34
  But getting that new blood there, if that's going to be
• 21:36
  something. But you said the biggest thing,
• 21:37
  they've got a quarterback. They have a quarterback.
• 21:40
  He is a guy that can sling it, that can make plays, and he's a
• 21:44
  real leader. I believe that he is This is not
• 21:47
  it's not Kate McNamara. He was fake.
• 21:49
  Yep. And the appearances got duped by
• 21:52
  it. Yep, but they weren't alone No,
• 21:54
  but now I know he's got duped by it.
• 21:56
  Absolutely. There is a real leader there
• 21:59
  that is not just about the fault false bravado.
• 22:02
  There's also substance behind it and it can be a big difference
• 22:05
  maker will the. Offense carry the defense this
• 22:08
  year in some extent. Yeah, I think they're going to
• 22:10
  have to win some games, you know, 3027, there's going to
• 22:14
  have to be probably two of those kind of the way I.
• 22:16
  Would can win if they make a special teams play then they
• 22:18
  normally did if they. Are going to have like a nine
• 22:21
  and three type of season, not another seven and five, a nine
• 22:24
  and three, even 10 and two type of season.
• 22:26
  Yeah, they're going and then they can't win everyone 1413 and
• 22:29
  certainly today's environment, you can't do that.
• 22:32
  Absolutely. I think if it's going to happen
• 22:34
  it's going to have to be the offense a couple of times
• 22:35
  carrying. And how many of those have we
• 22:37
  seen? I mean, outside of the Ohio
• 22:39
  State game, 5524, the big upsets, that's not how it
• 22:44
  happened. It was every single time.
• 22:47
  Defense special teams. Kick, return a kick, yes, 50
• 22:51
  something yard. Without a doubt, that's how they
• 22:54
  win games. We'll see how it goes.
• 22:55
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  Mazatani next. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
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  Network. Miller, Condon Welcome back just
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  past 1230 on a Tuesday. Let's head north of the Twin
• 23:50
  Cities. Dane mazatanitwincities.com
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  Saint Paul Pioneer Press beat writer for the Vikings, but to
• 23:57
  moonlights covers the Timberwolves, etcetera in the
• 24:00
  playoffs and that's indeed where they are.
• 24:03
  Dane Trenton can again, thank you for what you do for us.
• 24:06
  We really appreciate the relationship.
• 24:08
  So let's let's start with this Timberwolves team and my gosh,
• 24:12
  Trent and I were talking about this earlier in the show, how
• 24:15
  their narrative has changed or how they can't beat the Lakers,
• 24:18
  you can't beat LeBron and Luca. And now all of a sudden I can't
• 24:21
  find anybody picking Golden State to win this series.
• 24:24
  Boy, it sure changed, hasn't it? Yeah, it does.
• 24:27
  It's pretty crazy how the rhetoric and the narrative can
• 24:30
  change. And what has it been two weeks
• 24:33
  since since they were supposed to lose to the Lakers in five?
• 24:35
  And now I think everyone's picking the Timberwolves in 5-6
• 24:38
  or seven. So it's expectation.
• 24:40
  It's hard now. I think you have to deal with
• 24:43
  that. I think it does help that this
• 24:45
  team, it's not the young Timber pucks anymore.
• 24:49
  This team went to the Western Conference finals last year and
• 24:52
  everyone's singing their praises and then bang, they're done in
• 24:55
  five against the Dallas Mavericks.
• 24:56
  I think having something like that happened to you on a big
• 25:01
  stage does kind of prepare you for this moment now where you're
• 25:04
  the team to beat. You are who they Vegas is
• 25:07
  picking or whoever all the analysts are picking.
• 25:10
  They weren't in that position until they were last year and
• 25:13
  then they didn't handle it well. I presume that they will handle
• 25:17
  it a little better this time around, but that's still Steph
• 25:19
  Curry, Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler on the other end.
• 25:21
  So we're going to have to earn it.
• 25:23
  You mentioned Draymond and for me, and maybe this is just my
• 25:26
  fan cap being on a little too tight here, but boy, he's
• 25:29
  bothersome. I know I'm going to be swearing
• 25:31
  at my television a lot here during these seven game series
• 25:35
  at him, but against this team, still learning, still going
• 25:39
  through it and and a guy that also likes to go right back at
• 25:42
  it and a little jawing. Do you have any concern about
• 25:45
  that or is that just me being too fanboy here?
• 25:48
  I think it's it's a valid concern because at times this
• 25:53
  season and kind of go down the rabbit hole with me at times
• 25:56
  this season, the Timberwolves have shown they can be an
• 25:59
  immature team. So Raymond's antics, love him or
• 26:03
  hate him, they are designed to to elicit a reaction out of a
• 26:07
  team. And if they can get under, if he
• 26:09
  can get under the Timberwolves skin and get them off their
• 26:12
  game, then he's doing his job. I know people don't love it,
• 26:16
  don't love how he's officiated. Think he he kind of goes by a
• 26:19
  separate set of rules and maybe some of the other guys in the
• 26:22
  league with how he can get after guys and get after officials.
• 26:26
  But he's been doing this for 10-15 years now and he's won
• 26:30
  some championships doing it and he's certainly more.
• 26:33
  I do want to give Draymond credit because I'm, I'm actually
• 26:35
  a Draymond fan. I think he's more than just
• 26:38
  advantage. He's a tremendous basketball
• 26:40
  player. He unlocks everything for that
• 26:42
  team offensively and defensively.
• 26:44
  But yes, getting up there in age with him, I think part of his
• 26:48
  game now is being the agitator, being the guy who the teammates
• 26:52
  can galvanized and then rally around and simultaneously get
• 26:56
  the other team off their game. So the Wolves have to respond in
• 27:00
  a positive way. They can't go down that rabbit
• 27:03
  hole with him. They have to just kind of push
• 27:05
  back, fight back. Anthony Edwards, to your point,
• 27:08
  Francis has done a good job. It's shown he's capable of that.
• 27:12
  He's not afraid of anybody. But you don't want to get in a
• 27:15
  kind of tit for tat with Draymond.
• 27:17
  I just want to let your game do the talking.
• 27:19
  And I think the Wolves have proven they can do that against
• 27:22
  LeBron and Luca, the different beasts, kind of going against
• 27:26
  Steph, Draymond and Jimmy just in in the way the roster is
• 27:29
  constructed. But yeah, I think Draymond will
• 27:31
  try his best to get get a rise out of the Timberwolves.
• 27:35
  But we'll see if they take the bait.
• 27:37
  Amongst the many things that impressed me in the Lakers
• 27:39
  series was the balanced scoring. 5 games, 4-4 different guys led
• 27:45
  the team on any given night. McDaniels, Randall Edwards and
• 27:48
  Gobert wasn't the same guy every night.
• 27:51
  And that's what that's what you really I think got a tip your
• 27:55
  cap to at this time of year. For sure I think so and like the
• 27:59
  team will go as Anthony Edwards goes, but I think it is
• 28:02
  important, like you said, that they have guys that on any given
• 28:06
  night it can be theirs. And I think Rudy Gobert put it
• 28:08
  best after his performance in Game 5 where he went 20 and 20.
• 28:11
  I think he accidents with a 27.24 rebound.
• 28:15
  Incredible performance and Rudy Gobert had that performance in
• 28:19
  Game 5 after not closing in Games 3 or 4, after not being on
• 28:23
  the floor when it really mattered in Games 3 or 4.
• 28:26
  And asked about that after the game, Rudy Gobert said kind of
• 28:29
  what you just said. And it's just like, this is who
• 28:32
  we are. We have 8 starters on the team
• 28:34
  and that is our advantage. And I think it's partially
• 28:39
  Anthony Edwards being a connector.
• 28:40
  I think it's partially Chris Finch establishing a culture,
• 28:44
  but if it's not your time tonight and you have to sit on
• 28:47
  the bench, that doesn't really seem to bother anybody.
• 28:50
  And I think that is a secret weapon for this team is not only
• 28:53
  are they deep, not only can they hit you in a bunch of different
• 28:56
  angles from a bunch of different ways, but if it's not going a
• 29:00
  certain player's way on that night, they're not going to be
• 29:03
  the one to kind of screw up the vibe.
• 29:05
  They'll just sit back and wait till it's their turn.
• 29:07
  And if they can ride that, that's something I don't think a
• 29:10
  lot of teams in the NBA have right now.
• 29:13
  We saw Rudy Gobert obviously in the clinching game, how big of a
• 29:16
  factor that he was? Undersized Warriors team, they
• 29:19
  don't have a whole lot of depth, but you just, it feels like
• 29:22
  you'd never know with Gobert. Do you think this is going to be
• 29:24
  a good series for him? Are we going to look back and
• 29:26
  say they just couldn't play him because he couldn't figure out
• 29:28
  Draymond? How does this go for Gobert?
• 29:31
  I think it's going to be kind of like the Laker series where he's
• 29:35
  going to be good defensively whenever he's on the floor.
• 29:38
  And I think everyone, he just kind of Harkins back to that
• 29:43
  shot that Luca hit over him last year in game two against The
• 29:46
  Mavericks. And they take that and they
• 29:49
  conflate it and say he can't play defense well.
• 29:51
  If you really go down and look at the metrics, when Rudy Gobert
• 29:54
  was on the floor, the Lakers had a hard time scoring against him.
• 29:57
  So I think no matter what against the Golden State
• 29:59
  Warriors, who's going to look good or going to have a good
• 30:02
  defensive impact on the game, whether people and the
• 30:06
  perception say so or not. Where I think it will be kind of
• 30:09
  hit or miss is on the offense event.
• 30:11
  I don't think he's going to go 2020 every night nominate, even
• 30:14
  though he's 71. But I think there are some
• 30:17
  nights where he's going to be a force down there and then they
• 30:21
  don't have anyone who can kind of bang with them.
• 30:23
  And I think there are some nights where we talked about
• 30:25
  Draymond's antics. They might get in Rude Eagle
• 30:27
  Bear's head and and and then he could unravel that way.
• 30:30
  So I think it'll be a hot and cold series for him.
• 30:33
  But I think if you watch the Houston series and Golden State
• 30:37
  and how the Warriors struggled against the double big lineup
• 30:41
  with Alfred Sangoon and Steven Adams, Rudy Gobert, on paper the
• 30:47
  dominant this series, they they don't have anyone for him.
• 30:50
  You should live above the rim on the glass.
• 30:52
  You should live down low, Whoever's guarding him.
• 30:56
  So after you've performed the way you did in game five, I
• 31:00
  think it's fair for people to expect a lot of you heading into
• 31:03
  Game 1. So I that's the expectation
• 31:05
  tonight. You're bigger than everyone on
• 31:07
  the floor. Play like you're 71.
• 31:09
  We know what we're going to get from you on defense.
• 31:11
  Bring a little more on offense. I expect them to be pretty good
• 31:15
  tonight. We'll see if if if the antics if
• 31:17
  the antics of Draymond Green wear on him over time, though.
• 31:20
  When when you look back at the at the huge offseason trade with
• 31:25
  Cat and, and Randall, obviously even Devincenzo coming over from
• 31:28
  the Knicks at the time, I thought, boy, oh boy, it's it
• 31:31
  looks like the Knicks are going to win this thing.
• 31:33
  And we saw what what Cat did during the season, during the
• 31:36
  season just finishing. Think he finishes the runner up
• 31:40
  most rebounds. I I think that if there is such
• 31:44
  a thing as both teams won, this might be one of those trades.
• 31:47
  Do you see it that way, Dave? I do.
• 31:50
  I do. And I think no matter what
• 31:53
  happened in the immediate aftermath, people were going to
• 31:56
  hate the trade because Karl Anthony Towns was was a fan
• 32:00
  favorite. He was someone who people
• 32:03
  appreciated for the way he carried himself and really dug
• 32:06
  the Timberwolves out from some pretty dark days and then did it
• 32:10
  amid some pretty dark days himself.
• 32:12
  And, and really as as Timberwolves were starting to
• 32:15
  come into his own, he was starting to come into his own.
• 32:17
  And last year felt like the pinnacle.
• 32:19
  And then Bam, right before training camp is traded.
• 32:22
  So people were never going to like that trade because he
• 32:24
  traded who a lot of people consider the face of the
• 32:27
  franchise. And then you couple that with
• 32:29
  Julius Rando, whose game does not really die with the way the
• 32:32
  Timberwolves played, or at least wasn't going to right away.
• 32:36
  That was always going to be kind of a hard fit.
• 32:38
  And I think as time has progressed, you've seen kind of
• 32:42
  the vision of Tim Time. Look at it now, Julius Randle
• 32:44
  fit seamlessly into the team. It took some time, but he has
• 32:49
  kind of the skill set to take over.
• 32:51
  If Ant needs a blow or he can facilitate the offensive, Ant
• 32:55
  still wants to dominate. I mean, you look at a guy like
• 32:57
  Dante D Vicenzo did not shoot well the other day but or the
• 33:01
  other series. But he does all the little
• 33:02
  things that you need in the playoffs, you know, this time of
• 33:06
  the year. So I think when you kind of look
• 33:08
  at a 2 for one trade like that where the Knicks get a guy who
• 33:13
  has done everything they've asked of him and he performed
• 33:15
  last night in the big moment, even if he struggled at times.
• 33:18
  But the Wolves kind of deep in their roster, they add two
• 33:21
  players to the price of 1. I think you're right, win, win.
• 33:25
  It would be certainly something. They're they're on a collision
• 33:27
  course for the final. If a couple couple more things
• 33:30
  can happen, certainly work to be done on both ends, but man, that
• 33:34
  would be something. No doubt in stories that'd be
• 33:37
  good for people like you, Dave, certainly writing those stories.
• 33:39
  We would like that. No doubt over to your main beat
• 33:42
  the Minnesota Vikings. So I saw ESPN came out with
• 33:45
  their power rankings and there was a bunch of personalities, 80
• 33:48
  people all together rank the teams one through 32.
• 33:52
  I personally was anticipating the Vikings to be middle of the
• 33:55
  and three season but we know nothing about their quarterback.
• 33:58
  They were at #9 I was shocked to see them as a top ten team.
• 34:03
  So what am I missing? Am I just this off on JJ
• 34:06
  McCarthy? I I.
• 34:08
  Think the. Analysts and you know, when you
• 34:11
  get together 80 some people like you said, and and you kind of
• 34:16
  look at this offseason as a whole, I think what probably is
• 34:20
  weighing out is just how darn good the team is around him.
• 34:24
  And you don't need top ten quarterback play from JJ
• 34:27
  McCarthy for the Vikings to be a top ten team.
• 34:30
  You just need average quarterback play and anything
• 34:33
  above average quarterback play, shoot, they could be a top six.
• 34:38
  Who knows, because I think the roster is primed and ready to go
• 34:42
  both on the offensive and defensive side of the ball.
• 34:45
  And I really, I look at this team and I don't see a lot of
• 34:48
  weaknesses. Maybe cornerback, but I think
• 34:52
  that they'll probably do something to address that from a
• 34:55
  depth perspective and and they believe in the guys they have in
• 34:58
  their room. But everywhere else on the
• 35:00
  roster, from the offensive line, which they completely rebuilt,
• 35:04
  to the offensive playmakers, which I always joke, I think we
• 35:07
  forget Justin Jefferson's the best receiver in the league
• 35:10
  because he just doesn't run his mouth like it.
• 35:12
  You know, the defensive players that they've added both this
• 35:15
  offseason and last season, like all they need out of JJ McCarthy
• 35:19
  is for him to be average. And they will be great.
• 35:22
  And I think that's what probably the analysts are banking on now.
• 35:26
  Look, there is a world probably that exists.
• 35:28
  I I don't think it will happen because I, I tend to think that
• 35:32
  JJ McCarthy, what we've seen, what we've heard that he's going
• 35:36
  to hit the ground running. But if he does struggle, well,
• 35:39
  yeah, then it doesn't really matter how good you are on on
• 35:42
  either side of the ball if your quarterback can't get it done.
• 35:45
  But if he is, who the the Vikings?
• 35:48
  Think he is? Who a lot of coaches, past and
• 35:51
  present, think he is. I think the Vikings will be
• 35:54
  right there at this season. The only thing is, man, look at
• 35:57
  that schedule. I know we don't have it yet and
• 35:59
  we don't have the full schedule, but we know the opponents.
• 36:02
  It's going to be a gauntlet every week for them.
• 36:04
  Do you expect them to head across?
• 36:05
  The Pond I do. I think so.
• 36:08
  I know you just breathe the tea leaves.
• 36:11
  You see, Pittsburgh's a rumor. I don't know for sure.
• 36:15
  So I don't want to, you know, fan those flames.
• 36:18
  But that would not surprise me. But we'll see.
• 36:21
  I think it we're becoming or we're getting to a point where
• 36:25
  it feels like every team is going to play across some point
• 36:28
  during this. Season.
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  Well, I just. I heard TJ Hawkinson and Chris
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  Long on a podcast yesterday. Listen to Hawkinson just rave
• 36:37
  about the in arm strength that JJ McCarthy has and reminding
• 36:40
  people that he caught passes early in his career for Matthew
• 36:42
  Stafford and Stafford's got nothing on McCarthy.
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  We'll see where it goes. Dane, as always, thank you for
• 36:48
  doing this. Appreciate it.
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  And we'll talk to you down the road. twincities.com, Saint Paul
• 36:52
  Pioneer Press for our friend Dane Mazatani.
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  Dane, thank you. Have a great day anytime guys.
• 36:57
  Thank. You take care.
• 36:58
  Good. To talk to you.
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  So we catch up on the goings on up north of the four teams, it
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  seems the Twins are the furthest away now from a championship.
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  Yeah, yeah. Who's closest?
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  The Timberwolves, I think. So too.
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  Who's next? I think.
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  Vikings, you would know better than me on the.
• 37:24
  Hockey front How close are the Wild?
• 37:25
  Well, they're close, but that. Division.
• 37:28
  The stars, The lanch here would be my jets.
• 37:31
  Here's my push back again, not knowing hockey.
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  Yeah, we see fluky teams seemingly get out of right.
• 37:35
  You're right. And.
• 37:36
  That doesn't happen in the NFL. Do we see fluky teams win a
• 37:40
  Super Bowl? No.
• 37:42
  No. You see bad quarterback play,
• 37:44
  but elite defense, right? Or something.
• 37:47
  They're missing something, but they've got something that's
• 37:49
  head and shoulders above anybody else in the league and.
• 37:53
  The teams that have made deep runs in the NFL playoffs, they
• 37:56
  still have something. They still have something that
• 37:58
  you can point and say, OK, and there's a reason behind it.
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  And hockey happens all the time. We see eight seats beat once.
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  We almost saw it again, you know, 1.8 seconds.
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  The kids won, I think their first.
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  Cup and that was about 10 years ago.
• 38:09
  They were an eighth seed. It happens so that.
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  Would be my argument on the hockey side.
• 38:14
  And I'd still put the pleasants of Vikings.
• 38:16
  Yeah, yeah. I am a man in my mid. 40s and I
• 38:20
  have never seen them play in a Super Bowl.
• 38:22
  Trent. You know what, stranger?
• 38:23
  Things can happen. I experienced it Sunday.
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  We'll take a time out. We'll come back.
• 38:28
  Finish up the hour, Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio
• 38:31
  Network. All right, Miller and Condon
• 38:35
  welcome back. Final couple of minutes.
• 38:37
  Hour number one hour #2 Iowa State conversation.
• 38:41
  We'll start with Alec Bussey, cyclonealert.com, part of 24/7
• 38:45
  Sports, cyclonealert.com for Bussy, Bill Bender on college
• 38:49
  sports, etcetera. He joins us at the bottom of the
• 38:52
  hour. Trent, we'll make some picks.
• 38:53
  So the article Scott Dockerman advised us of yesterday on Iowa
• 38:58
  State in where the program is at as to where it used to be and
• 39:02
  it's published at The Athletic. I've read the first a couple of
• 39:05
  paragraphs in it. Then my phone rang and I forgot
• 39:08
  to go back and read. But you could tell that's going
• 39:11
  to I think it's going to be a very well received piece by by
• 39:16
  Cyclone fans pretty good. It's a pretty good read and same
• 39:20
  thing. I haven't got it through the
• 39:21
  whole thing yet. You know, It's what you and I
• 39:24
  talk about being in this state for as long as we have because I
• 39:30
  know so many young people out there, they don't get it.
• 39:34
  And though there were, and it's sometimes it paints this picture
• 39:37
  of what it was and it's more football than anything.
• 39:41
  That football program of the 80s and into the 90s?
• 39:43
  It was a joke. And we know how important.
• 39:47
  Football is financially to an athletic department to just
• 39:51
  start pulling them out of the muck that they were coming out
• 39:54
  of the Kreiner and the Walden days and getting it back to the
• 39:58
  level that McCartney, there needs to be multiple statues of
• 40:01
  him. No, I agree.
• 40:02
  The job that he did. Both entrances.
• 40:06
  It's unthinkable. That's how bad Iowa State
• 40:09
  football was. And with it, if you don't have
• 40:12
  football, it's hard to have an athletic department.
• 40:13
  Without a doubt, unless. You're in the Big East playing
• 40:16
  basketball only and even then, Hour 2 coming up, we'll talk to
• 40:20
  Bossy Moore on Iowa State, Bill Bender coming up, Miller and
• 40:23
  Condon. One more hour to go on our
• 40:24
  program. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
• 40:26
  Network.