Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 485: How Playing Favorites with Certain Hunting Styles Can Make You More Successful on Whitetails, With Tyler Jones

Transcript

Ep. 485: How Playing Favorites with Certain Hunting Styles Can Make You More Successful on Whitetails, With Tyler Jones · Wired To Hunt Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with white tail
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: killer Tyler Jones. All right, folks, welcome to the Wire
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: You might notice that this is not the voice of
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. He sent me a text last week saying
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: something like, I'm gonna go get some botox so I
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: don't have to use so many filters on my TikTok's
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest here. I don't even know what
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: that means. I don't know what language he's speaking half
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: the time, but I just I wish him luck on
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: that with whatever that means. Today's guest is Tyler Jones.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: Tyler is a born and raised Texan who is one
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: of the most successful public land bow hunters out there.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: He's also one of my favorite people in the industry.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: He produces a pile of white tail content for his brand,
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: which is called The Element. From their podcast to their
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: YouTube videos, Tyler and his partner Casey Smith, are dedicated
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: to representing hunting as it really is. They show it
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: as it actually happens out there, and they're really good
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: at it. In this episode, we cover a bunch of
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: different topics, ranging from setting realistic hunting standards to embracing
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: new hunting challenges to really figuring out your own hunting
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: style so that you'll love the process and every second
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: of the time yere in the field. The lessons in
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: this show are good for every month of the deer season,
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: and they carry right on over to the off season
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: as well. Tyler, how are you, buddy? I'm doing well, man,
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. It is always wonderful to
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: see your face. And I gotta tell you, man, I
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: don't know. And there isn't no joke here between you
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: and Casey. Who's your partner in crime? They're over at
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: the Element. I don't know if there's ten people in
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: the country the last few years who have who have
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: put together as impressive of a public land white tail
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: run as you guys have you? Guys? Are you? It's
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: it's amazing what you've done. Well, thanks man, I've been
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: super blassed. Man. I I um, I would work really
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: hard at it, but um in the end, you know,
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that have to come together
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: for you to actually kill a deer way back on
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: public land. So I just feel grateful man, that I've
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: been able to do it a lot, you know. Yeah, well,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: you're being humble because you're you're on a freaking terror
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: and it is awesome to see. And Casey is not
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: letting you pull too far ahead because that dude's putting
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: down some big deer on public too. How many, just
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, how many bucks had you killed
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: this year? Killed four so far on public um? And
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: I killed four public in four different states last year
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: and one uh here at my property where I'm sitting
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: right now, that was really a big one. I chased
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: him for a long time, so I had that was
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: my best season last year, and I did not think
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: I'd be able to top it. But if a few
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: things go right from here on out, I may top
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, there's there's still a lot of time left.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: And all those bucks were on film too, right, Yeah,
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: well that's uh, that's the one thing I self filmed
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: last year a lot, and uh, you know, the actual
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: kill shots were not always on film, uh, but I
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: got I was just like Dade. I'm killing this, dear man.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it just didn't didn't always work
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: out for me. But yes, there there's all there's films
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: of all of them, yeah, out there, so the majority
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: of the footage is on there. That is, uh, I'm
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: telling you man, it's it's impressive. I mean really, when
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: you think about what it takes to go, oh, even
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: in your home state and kill one we'll just call
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: out a pope and young buck on public land. That's
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: like a huge accomplishment in any given year. I don't
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: care even if you live in Iowa. I mean it's
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: it's not as big in some of these really good states,
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: but it's still like no joke. And to have you
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: guys come from Texas and go all over and do
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: that is it's pretty cool to see. And I know
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: a part of your secret is this relationship you've got
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: with Casey. And we were talking about this, you know,
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: just before we got on here, about how important it
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: can be to have somebody you trust to bounce hunting
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: ideas off of one another. Yes, absolutely, man, like that's
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: the that is one of the keys man Um and Casey, uh,
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll let him tell the story whenever he
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: gets on here at some point. But uh, you know
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: his dear recently that he killed us really nice, he
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: would He's on our podcast said the same thing about
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: me just being somebody that you can trust to just
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: be in the right spot to help out when you
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: know you need it. And so you know, that's that's
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: the thing, man, that like super underrated and something that
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: we we value tremendously is each other and that, like
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: you said, somebody that you trust, because I mean there's
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: I've had a lot of you know, people that I've
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: dealt with over the years just being doing this and
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: and whatever else and music, like we've talked about before,
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: and um, like even people that you kind of get
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: to know for a little while, um, and you think
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: you might trust sometimes can fool you, you know, and
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: so like that's just part of humanity and that you
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: get let down sometimes, you know. Um. And I mean
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: I've given I've sent out cameras to lots of people
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: that I thought we're gonna help me in a state
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: that's a long ways away because everything is a long
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: ways from Texas, it feels like, and so and you
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: end up not getting any pictures, you know, because you
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: see them trail cameras and you thought you might could
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: share some info you know, doesn't happen. And it's just like, man,
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: you know, but Casey is truly just a heart of
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: gold kind of guy and uh, really brilliant, you know,
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: like he's very smart. He can come up with a
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: comeback faster than anybody I know, and he just you know,
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: he works, his mind works so fast, and he can
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: scroll through maps. He's as good on the map as
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen anybody be. I mean, he's just quick.
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: So it's definitely the of the most value. And I think, uh,
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe the biggest key factor to my success has
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: been just be in order to work with him and
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: pour over maps and think about stuff. You know. Yeah,
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: and it's it seems I guess it might seem like
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of simply intuitive to be like, yeah,
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: having somebody having a hunting partner is a good thing.
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: But man, you can have you can partner up with somebody,
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: like you said, who kind of really helps you level up,
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: or you can part with somebody who actually brings you down.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: And you know, I've I realized this recently. I've got
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: a really good buddy Eric who I hunt with a lot,
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: and he's really become a good white to a hunter.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: There was a long time where you know, he would
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: make a suggestion. I was like a cool story, right, bro, Like,
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna do my thing. But he's, you know,
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: especially in the last seven or eight years, he's really
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: got obsessed with it and he's gotten good at it,
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: and it's fun to kind of strategize. And you know,
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: we're like you in casey would give each other a
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: lot of ship, but like we we respect each other's
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: opinions and you know, ideas, and it really kind of
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: seems like what it takes to have somebody who brings
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of value of the table is somebody who's
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: operating on the same wavelength as you, Like, do you
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: have somebody who's willing to work like you are and
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: has the same kind of goals, because if you you know,
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: if you have a mismatch in that relationship where you're
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're the kind of guy who thinks
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: you can kill four big bucks on public land and
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: you're you're partnering up with somebody who's kind of a
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: weekend warrior, it's probably not a great match. Yeah, Yeah, No,
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: and there's definitely you know, there are definitely things in
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: every relationship that the two individuals are going to have
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: a differences, you know, like there are things, um, like
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: we're both I would say we're both pretty tough overall individuals.
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: That I'm not trying to you know, you and I
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: are talking you know me so, but the listener may not.
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: But I'm not trying to say anything awesome about myself.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Um, I would consider myself pretty tough
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Slept on a lot of hardwood floors and couches, um,
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: you know, through and throughout the years and stuff, um,
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and it just it just makes you kind
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: of like you're kind of just kind of calloused too.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, if you have a place to
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: lay down and stretch out that night, you're happy as
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: opposed to I need my bed and my pillow, you know.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: And so like that's one thing that helps is that
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: we're both kind of on that level where we really
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: are pretty simple guys and we don't need like a
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: ton I think, like at the core, uh as far
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: as just beliefs and stuff like that go, we are
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: very closely matched up, which is a big deal. But
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: I think, like you see a lot of guys maybe
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: in the industry and stuff I guess that are kind
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: of influencers or whatever that you know, may start out
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: together hunting and then all of a sudden, like they
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: a little fame and they think, um, maybe it's tuning
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: up part ways or whatever. And I think that, um,
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys will do that for
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: the sake of man. I just didn't like the way
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: he hunted, and I think that's um, you know, you
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: you definitely uh want to try to hunt effectively when
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: you're out and you're using your own time and stuff.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: But you and I talked about this off air earlier,
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: like your idea is not necessarily the best one in
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: the world, you know, and there you like if you go,
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: I know, you go, you know, like to some of
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: these states and you'll shoot like a nice buck. He
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: may not even be a poping young buck. Right Well,
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: somebody out there could have had an idea that afternoon
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: and gone and done what they did and shot like
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: a one sixty, you know, because they're they're around when
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: you're out there, you know, when you're out in Nebraska
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: or North Dakota or whatever. Like, they're big deer out there, right,
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: and if you come home without that deer, there was
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: a plan somewhere that could have killed that deer. Right,
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: So you're you're not the wisest guy in the woods,
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: you know. You just if you can keep that in
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: mind and work in a collaborative way with you know,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: with your buddy and you know, like you said, if
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: he works hard and he tries to get better, to
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: learn more like your buddy Eric, eventually you're gonna get
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: on that same wavelength. You're going to be kind of
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: at the same level of understanding of whitetailed deer, and
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: then you can really you know, that's when you really
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: start to mesh and just hammer deer. You know, it's true.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it started to feel a little personal there
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: with those examples, but I'm gonna let it slide there,
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: tyler Um, I know where you hunt sometimes, so like
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: I do, I do really think that the value of
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: of pairing up with somebody who's who's of a similar
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: mindset is so important. And it's also it's also just
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: really important to be with to to work with somebody
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: who's like I want to keep getting better, and that's
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: that's that's a message. I think. I think we haven't
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: pushed it very well in the hunting industry. And we
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: do this with a lot of things, right. I see
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: this with dog training all the time. I see this
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: with a lot of stuff where it's like we're gonna
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: give you the answer, but it's not really the answer. Right.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: People always want to know, like how do you scout
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: this place or what kind of sign do you look for?
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Like what's the answer? What's the answer? And I'm like
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: the answers to keep challenging yourself and working hard at
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Like the best hunters out there are not
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: the ones who consistently always kill two on certain properties. Right,
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: Like they they may kill huge bucks and that's awesome,
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: good for them, but would you consider them the best hunters? Like, No,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: the best hunters are out there challenging themselves and trying
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: to get better, and they're going, you know, I kind
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: of got this nailed in this state. I'm gonna go
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: try this state. You know. Like I was just talking
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: to Clinton Campbell about this because he just got back
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: from Kansas, and you know, he was trying the whole
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: shoot him from the ground decoy m type of thing.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: And he's like, man, that was no joke. You know,
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to kill a white till around no
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: trees during the rut, it's a different thing. But I
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: I'm ash you. Even though he didn't kill a buck,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: he left that hunt a better hunter. And I guarantee
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: you at some point there's a dead buck out there
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: in Kansas with his name on it that's gonna be
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: killed that way, and that's that's how you get better.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: And he'll take that home, just like when you guys,
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: you know, he goes home to p A, you go
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: home to Texas, those public land hunts where you're really
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: challenging yourself. You're bringing stuff home that you're gonna carry
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: with you forever. That's only going to make you better.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: And you get two people like that working on the
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: same wavelength, it is freaking. It's it's a rough time
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: for the deer usually. Yeah, it is, man, You know
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: the question I have. My dad has run a fishing lodge.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: He was a CPA in Dallas when I was young,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: and he decided, um, he did not like the corporate
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: ladder and the backstabbing and all that, and um, so
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: he uh moved. He took whatever money he had made
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: as the c p A and said, I'm gonna start
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: a fishing lodge. Renovated this place, started fishing lodge back
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: in nineteen, opened it up, still owns it today. And
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: so we we were at like Fork in Texas, which
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: if anybody knows anything about bass fishing, I mean, arguably
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: the best lake in the world. Um, you know, it's
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: thirty five or something of the top fifty in Texas,
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: including the state record, you know, and so really cool
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: things that I got to see growing up. And Um,
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: one of the fishing guys that my dad got to
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: know really well over the years, who's also a really
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: good bow hunter. He's just an outdoorsman, you know, total outdoorsman,
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: he always said when it came to fishing. Um, he'd
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: caught We have a lunker program. It's called, uh, the
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Share Lonker program. And you know, if you catch a
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: bass over thirteen pounds, you get a free replica and
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: that fish goes and it spawns and they you know,
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: gain genedics through that. So uh, he caught four that
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: were over thirteen And I don't think, I don't know
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: if anybody put more into the program than he has. Um,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: and so anyway, he's he fished the classic twice. Just
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: a heck of a fisherman, you know. And this guy says,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: tells my dad one day, He's like, because they started
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: they that my dad kind of he didn't learn to
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: hunt really till he was in college. And so Richard
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: the guide, Um, you know, as I was growing up
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: really young and stuff, my dad was learning a lot
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: from him, hunting on leases with him and stuff here
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: in East Texas. And he used to always say, you
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: have to ask the question, why why is that fish there?
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Why is he on that side of the stump. Is
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: is it the shady side? Is is it sunny side?
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Is the the windy side? Or is the leeward side?
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: You know, like, what is that fish doing? It's doing
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: something for a reason. It's the same thing with deer.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Why is that deer there? So if you if you
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: go sitt in a tree stand, you go, man, I
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: was so close. Man, I had tons of bucks in there. Today,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna go back in there and
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: try it again, you know, and tomorrow's different conditions. Then
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: you may just completely have the worst next few days
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: of your life hunting, you know. I mean because you
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: didn't ask yourself why why were those bucks all seven
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: yards from me? And why were they all seven yards
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: from I saw a bunch of them. It was a
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: great hunt from a you know, visual standpoint, but I
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: thank kill one, So why didn't I kill one? You know?
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: And the question is why? I always think. I always
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: think back to that. And that's one thing Casey does
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: really well too, is asked, you know, why is that
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: deer doing that? He's really good and he's very observant too,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: he sees everything in the woods. Yeah, I think I
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: love that the example of you know, bass fishing and
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: trying to trying to ask yourself questions because I I
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: found this with my little girls, what it taking them
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: hunting and taking them fishing? Has taught me that I
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: have to explain everything I can't just you know, like
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, that sounds like a joke, but it's true. Man.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I get asked fowl thousand questions every hour when we're
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: doing something, and what it forces me to do is go, okay,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: well I have to answer why, Like they're asking me
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: why did we catch a small off here when we've
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: never caught one before? Or why like you said, why
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: did that deer come in that way? Or why didn't
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: we kill that dear? And I just think that all
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: of that stuff feeds the machine. The more you're out
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: there thinking about this stuff, and like it's I want
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: to be careful here and to not make it sound
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: like it's like guerrilla warfare against the bass or against
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the deer. It's not like you can have a lot
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: of fun asking why and but you got to know
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: when you know, we we always look at this and go,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to go out and have that
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: banging day where I catch a ton of spawn in
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: large mouth and it's a blast and they're not even
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: thinking about it. If you can flip a jig anywhere
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: near their bed, you're their toasts, right, that's fun, But
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: like it's just fun, like you don't you don't learn
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: probably a ton. It's the same thing if you go
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: out on a really easy deer hunt. It can be
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of fun to shoot a
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: gift buck once in a while, but you're not learning
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: as much. And so it's the times that go wrong
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: or the times when it's like like you said that
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: those bucks were at seven yards, they never got closer
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: and two of them picked me off on the tree.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: What's going on here? What? Why did I get this wrong?
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Or why did they get it right? And the more
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: you start questioning that stuff, the more you make fewer
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: mistakes in the future, and you you just learn like this,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: this is just how this stuff goes most of the time.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: But I can just like hedge my bets just a
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: little bit better by trying to figure out the reasons
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: for nature doing what it does. Yeah, oh absolutely, I
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: mean and like as you as you do that, um,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: it's like or as you get more experienced doing these things,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: you have more instances like when you when you first
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: start out deer hunting, Um, your why is um? Maybe
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: like as simple in Texas, as we put a corn
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: feeder out right here, why, Well, because you might not
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: see any deer if you don't, so and why are
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the deer coming here? Well, they're coming to this corn feeder.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: It's simple. It's big concept, right and and and so
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: like you, that's your why when you start out, and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: then you get like years and years into this thing.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been hunting deer for almost twenty five years,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and you start to your why may become um,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like something as simple as or or simple as detailed
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: as um, like why did that dear not smell me
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: when it seemed like he was down wind? What was
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: there was something in the lay of the land or
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: a thermal or something you know that blows my mind
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: that he didn't smell me? And how did that happen?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Or whatever? You know, or just like it get becomes
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: really detailed. The wise do a lot of times because
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the why of why is there, Like the kind of
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: what and why of a deer moving from bed to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: feed in the evening and feed to bed in the morning.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: That's you know, that's a it's something that needs to
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: be learned, but like at that point it's so ingrained
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: in your head. It's like a it's like a cornerback
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: in the league learning to feather or whatever. I mean,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: he just does it. You know, it's just it's nothing
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: so um, you know, your your your why becomes so
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: detailed that I don't know, like to me, it's it's
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it's like, uh, like you said, it's not necessarily that
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you're doing this guerrilla warfare thing. It's like you almost
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: are like a scientist. You're it's like biology, you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you're learning about deer and why they do things and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: how they behave and what parts of their body you
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: need to be aiming for when you shoot. You know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is he gonna duck? Is he not? Like all these things,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And it almost seems like if you take it to
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that level that you you never will lose the fun
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: in deer hunting because you've always got something even more
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: detailed that you can break into and trying to figure out.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: You know, it's really cool. You know, we we present
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: public land I know you guys do and I do too,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: as like the Ultimate Bull Hunting Challenge right, like part
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of its sales speak. Part of it's true, like it's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it's tough, but we want people to think it's super
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: super hard because it makes us look better. Like there's
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a reason we we we frame it the way we do, right.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But the secret that I love about it is it
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: takes me to places where I have to ask why so?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And And I'm not knocking this, like I don't care
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: how people want to hunt, but like I've got a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: property over in Wisconsin that has a food plot on it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: If I go there and sit on that food plot,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: They're like, there's not a lot of why, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have to ask a lot of questions.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they want to come here to this clover
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and they walk by and we can shoot them. But
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: when you go on a new place, you have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: ask why about everything. And I think about this, like
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. So the property that I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: hunted in Wisconsin this year for our one Week in
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: November series, uh is a property my buddy bought this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: past spring. There's ninety acres. It's a beautiful property. It's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: so cool, but we've never hunted there before, so we
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: had only turkey hunted it. And we scouted it, set
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: up stands and you know, this is this is Mississippi
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: River bluff stuff like this is my I grew up
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: hunting this. Like I'm like, I got this, don't worry abouddy.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But we start hunting it and the dear movement so
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: many times was not what I expected. Like I had
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I had rut funnels, I had rut pinch points. I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was like, brother, I am this is where this happens,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Like there will be a dead buck here. And I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: just was amazed at how wrong I got it. Like
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I was I was close a lot of times. And
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: how I killed my buck was like really close to
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: how I called it, but quite a bit different. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sitting there and going, why why
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: did that buck peel off of that hill and cut
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: through here this way? When I was like, I would
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: have bet you money he's coming through this way, or
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: he's coming through that way, or I would have bet
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you money that all the deer movement comes from this
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: side of the farm to that side of the the farm.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And I got so much of that wrong. And I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: love it because it makes me go why, like not
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: only why are they doing that? But why did I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: think this? Like why did why did we get this
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: stuff wrong? Yeah? Yeah, man, that's in you right, like
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the adventure um that you kind of get when you
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: go to a new place. Just kind of like the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: reason the Eason people love a interest so much because
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it kind of is all inspiring, Like you see something
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen and you learn something new and you
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: think that's really cool, you know. And the thing is
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: man um and my dad tells this story and go
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: back to fishing here for a second. He um, he
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: had some some family come in that uh they lived
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: up north, you know, whatever, and they came in to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Lake four world famous bass fishing, and he's like they
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to go catch big try to catch big bass, right,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And so him in like three or four other family
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: members go out in this boat and you know, it's
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: kind of packed, it's a bass boat, and um, they're
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: fishing and you know, Lake spring or whatever. He catches
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like a you know, six pounder and like he basically
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: reels it in, unhooks it and throws it back in
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: like one fell slop. And they're like mouths open, like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that's the biggest bass we've ever seen
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: in our lives, you know. And my dad's like, you know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I catched several six pounders you know a year, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: at that point in life. I mean he's you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: trying to catch double digits, you know. And so it
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: kind of is um you're thinking about, like if your
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: circumstances um are similar from day to day and month
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to month, year to year, you start to kind of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: lose this appreciation for you know, like the the the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the glitter and the lamb kind of fades, right and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you start to go, you know, it's like, um, for
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: us here if we see in in East Texas, if
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: we see a public land buck that is like legal,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: which means thirteen inches wide or wider. Um, Like, it's like, oh,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: this is incredible, Like, man, we gotta get on this dear,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you know. And what he is is that he's a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: hundred and five inch eight point you know, and you're
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like freaking out, thinking this is awesome. And if that
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: same year, which also, by the way, weighs a hundred
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: forty pounds, if that same year, you know, it was
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: in Iowa, they would be thinking what is wrong with
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: this emaciated you know creature here? You know. And so
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those things where, like the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the moving around and having that adventure, it brings some
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: kind of all into you. And it also continues to
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: just make you ask why, like you said, because you've
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: never seen that before. You've never seen it happen that way,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and so you know it, Uh, it helps you to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: learn more and to uh kind of spread those ideologies
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: across in different states and use it differently in different ways,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know, and um hopefully become a better hunter because
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: um it's uh my dad always says it's fun to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: go deer hunting, but it's also fun to shoot dear,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and so it's it's really fun to shoot here.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: So you know, like pulling the trigger, that's the that's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the pinnacle. You know. People say I don't have to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: pull a trigger to be happy, and that's I feel
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the same way. But dude, I don't sit there and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: shake like violently the rest of the hunt, you know
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I shake violently after I've shot
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a deer, you know, So that's what's the most fun. Yeah. There,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: We've we've kind of we like to distill stuff down
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to easy explanations, right, And I just love being out there,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like, well, yeah, that's like or whatever percentage
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: of it. There's a lot going on there, Like there's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: more to it. And I come I've come to that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: realization with myself where I'm like, man, I just like
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: shooting deer, Like I just I'm not gonna apologize for it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a thing that I want to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: do four or five, six, seven times a year, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I love it. And I want to back up a
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: second door and and ask you a question. So when
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you bring up this example of you know, seeing a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: seeing a barely legal Buck down there in Texas on
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: public land, you kind of compare it to Iowa. Do
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you worry? Because I wonder if you have the same
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: worries I do. So when you guys are filming on
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: public land, it's impossible. And this happens with our social
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: media too, it's impossible not to kind of run a
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: highlight reel, right like you just you just nobody wants
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to see the seven hours you sat there and didn't
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: see anything, and you you know, like you're like, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: want to go home, right, So you you added the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: stuff down to the highlights. And when it comes to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: guys like you, you and Casey, the highlight reel the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: last couple of years is amazing. And so people see
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: that and are you just worried? Like people are gonna
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: look at that and go that's that's what to expect
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: out there, Like are you are you worried about the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: stuff that's left on the cutting room floor? Because I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I fight with that all the time. Yes, I fought
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: with it too, man Like, um, so two years ago
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I killed my first Texas public plan buck and twenty
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: nineteen and so um, I actually, um everything went right
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and I can't I mean, I did some things that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: were there were very much right, but it could have
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: gone wrong too. Um, I mean he was he there
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was he had been really close to get my win
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: when he came in. I mean he did he was
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: not down wind and but he was working towards my
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: wind as he got out of his bed and worked up.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: But I mean essentially, I'm kind of going into much detail,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: but like he gets out of his bed. Uh, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I basically watched him stand up. I didn't see him
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: stand up, but I saw him standing where he was bedding,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind. And um, he's like eighty
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: yards or maybe ninety yards in per Simmons pretty much,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and he just stands there. I mean, you've probably watched
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: bucks get out of your bed, and if you haven't,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: what they do is like it's like the same as
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you like when you wake up from a hard nap,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Like you don't do anything for like twenty minutes. You know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you just kind of stand there and you're like you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: pee and then you you know, just it's some stuff,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you know, and you just stand there and look around
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and then finally you get a little more fired up.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And this deer when he went over and did some
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: scrape type stuff, you know, and anyway, um, like I do,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I got like a lot of footage, a lot of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: what they call pre roll of this deer through the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: per Simmons doing that kind of stuff, and um, you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: know from a eating eighty or nine yards. So so
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: it's pretty good footage, you know. And I decided to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: put a lot of that in there instead of um,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you know outdoor TV at it where you like, you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: show a quick clip and then the next you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: five seconds he's coming in and get shot. And I
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: had a lot of people that surprisingly said that they
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: really liked that and that I made him feel like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: they were in the stand almost, you know, and so um,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: we still are battling it though. It's weird because you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: would think that after that, I would just go, okay,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: well let me just put as much deer footage in
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: there as possible, you know, and make it like a
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: real hunt. And at some point, like people still you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you can look at YouTube, people don't care to see
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: those people, um don't care to see small bucks really,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: even on public land. A lot of times it's weird,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, like we shoot some bucks that I'm proud
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of and I've sent I sent you pictures you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: a deer or whatever that are a hundred and five inches,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: But like it's just I don't know, like even hardcore
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: hunters that can appreciate that. We'll still a lot of
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: times go watch a one sixty killing on private over over,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you know, something that was worked really hard for. Maybe
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that's a much smaller dear and so um, it is
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: something that I could constantly battle. And actually with our
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: South Dakota series this this year, I thought, well, we'll
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: put uh, we'll make this, we'll cut these things up
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: because there was a lot of US hunting and there
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was like it was eight day hunts. It was long,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and I was I was able to make ten videos
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that probably averaged about ten minutes, and I thought, this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: will be cool, you know, and like people will will
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: hang in there for ten minutes, surely, you know. And
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: they didn't really do that great on YouTube. And we
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: killed three bucks on that trip. We killed yeah, we
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: killed three you know, good rack bucks on that trip
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on that trip, and so um, I don't know, it
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: was a little bit um. I was a little bit perplexed.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And we released a video somewhere around beginning October as
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: well of Deer I killed on public and Kansas Lash
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: year not a huge year, um, and it is like
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: thirty eight minute video and I mean it's in literally
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: since October. It's got like a hundred fifty thousand views,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, and just blows my mind because he's not
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that big of a deer. But there's just I don't know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I think people do appreciate a little bit of uh,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you know, cool dear footage and being like you're in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the hunt as opposed to that highlight um rock and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: roll music kind of stuff, you know sometimes. So I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know really how to answer the question.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And I just, like you, I fight this a lot,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and I try to figure out what do people want
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to watch. And at the same time, there's an artistic
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: aspect that I like as well, where and things meet,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: like things have sentiment to me as well that you
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: know in some some of the hunts, and I'm like, man,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: if I take that out, I don't know if I'll
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: ever remember to put that back in one day when
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I make my video for myself, you know whatever. I'm
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: just gonna watch this on YouTube forever, and I'm going
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to forget that that little thing happened that really meant
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a lot to me, you know. So it's a big
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: balancing thing that I can't really figure out as well.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: It's tough, man, And I think we're in ah. I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: think we're in a transitionary period here because for a while,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I made the conscious decision to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: target public land white tills starting in two thousand and ten,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and solely because of my job at Peterson's Bow Hunting.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, this is not relatable stuff here,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like the audience is telling me. And so
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it was a business decision partly, and it was partly
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: just because I want to challenge myself. And at that time,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: it was like you if you went out and kill
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a buck on public land, people were like, holy cow.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Like I like, I remember people saying like I didn't
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: even think you could do this, you know what I mean.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Like actually when I started, when I started, I was
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the same way. I was like, thank you, that's hard
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to do. But of course we're in these Texas. It
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: is hard to do here, for sure, but it's you know, everybody,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying Texas is easier in any aspect, believe me.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But everybody thinks they live in the hardest place to hunt,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like, and so we
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: always do that. We we we bring that to the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: table and we go, well, yeah, I guess you could
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: go do this here, but can you do it there?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: And we've seen this over and over and it's just
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: generally hard where there's lots of pressure and and and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: if you combine that with low deer density, it gets harder.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: But it's so individualized, like there's so many different variables
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that go on there. So I'm always like, we really
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: careful about those statements. But the thing that happened, and
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I wasn't the only one, you know that the hunting
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: public guys they were working for Winkie and they were like, man,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go out and do this differently, and they
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: crushed it right out of the gate. Like a lot
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of people saw that hole in the market. And what
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: we did was we filled it really fast, and we
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: made public land hunting really popular. And now we've sort
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of nullified the built in like belief of the challenge,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: like we've sort of said, well, we've seen enough people
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: do this, and enough people promote this, so we do
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: we always do, and now we go, where's the trophies?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Like you know, it used to be like imagine, you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: eight years ago if you went out and killed two
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: pope and young bucks on public land out of state,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like that was that was a big deal. Right now
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you can go kill four and you're like, yeah, some
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: of these videos don't even do that well, Like people
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: are already like I need to see six, bro, I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: need to see one. Eighties And it's this the cycle
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of trophy hunting, that's just we we can't really get
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: out of our own way with it. And I don't
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know where we go next with this, but
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna burn this public land thing to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the ground probably and have to go hunt with self
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: bows and loincloths or something. I don't. I don't know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe sitting a tree and drop a brick on him.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell we gotta do. But
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: it's gonna change, and it just it is the way
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it is. But I still think, I still think that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the passion that you're bringing to it and the idea
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that you're looking at that going listen. I don't know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is what people want to see.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Like I think that's a good thing. Like I think
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: people showing people more than like you said, the rock
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: music and the montage or the deer coming in and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: then killing it in the high fives and all that stuff, Like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's important still no matter even if the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: perception is changing out there. I guess. I think also
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that one thing we try to do UM and I
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: think it's healthy. I think it's also really hard. It's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: at times for us is um we have you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: boning is really hard. Man like it, you know, for
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: guys like some of the people you've talked about on
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: this show, and for you it's um. You're so experienced
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and it happens for you quite a bit compared to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: other people, you know what I mean. And you get
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: more shots than other people because maybe you you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you're better you're better hunter, if we're just being frank
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you because you've spent so much time outside and you've
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: also you're spending so much time in a stand that
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get more opportunities as well, and so like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the the it's different than the majority of the public.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And I've I'm starting to really really understand this where
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you know people that even loved deer hunting here locally
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: from you know, for us, it's very normal to hunt
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a small piece of property and you know, spent a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: lot of time on it. And what it what ends
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: up happening is, um, you know, this is the one
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: chance that this guy gets to shoot a deer all
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: year and you know, the deer sees him draw and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: he shoots at the deer and it's high dead zone
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and and that you know, he never never
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: find the deer. And I've got like I've had like
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: lots of people that I that I know in the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: last couple of years that you know, love deer hunting.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: It's spent a lot of time out there and maybe
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: haven't had quite as much time as as I've been
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: blessed to have in the stand that you know, they
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: get some pretty good bucks in front of him here
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and there, and they just don't finish the jaw because
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the shot. It's hard to shoot a deer with the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: bow and kill it because they move. And you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: especially when you're not hunting a feeder or a small
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: food plot, a deer is walking through a small shooting
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: lane at some point, you know, it's it's just tough.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And so I think that, uh, to get back to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: what I was saying, is that we we have shown
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: some of our failures on video, and some of our
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: highest viewed videos are failed videos, and um, we just
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: hope that that sends that message that you're kind of
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: talking about is like, that's that kind of gets rid
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: of some of the disconnect of highlight reel. You know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the universe we live in right now, that's you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier with like TikTok, it's like,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: show me fifteen seconds of something I've never seen before,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's instead it says, you know, um,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: here's some cool footage of a big buck or a
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: big elk or whatever. And we didn't finish the job.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: We just are or you know, I made a liver
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: shot and waited eight hours through the night, and when
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I came back, you know, I had a deer get
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: eaten completely. I'm talking every scrap of meat off that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: thing by coyotes, you know. And so is that in Kansas? Yes,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and people do not like seeing that. I'll tell you
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: that right now. There has been some raging folks on
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that video like, and I didn't like seeing it. It It
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: was hard for me to walk. Like when I saw
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the deer, I saw it from like a hundred yards away,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: kind of down into this little you know, drawer or whatever,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and I knew immediately that I wouldn't get any meat
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: off this deer. And the deer, I have no question
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that the deer died from my liver shot before the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: coyotes ate it, because it was in one spot, completely
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: pick clean. There was no like snow signs of struggle,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: no hair everywhere or nothing, you know. Um. But still
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: it's just like I have so much respect for the animals,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: man and the creation, and like those those um that
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: deer in particular, Uler was really really old, Like I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: have thoughts that he's at least twelve years old. I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: know it sounds ridiculous, but I had a buddy actually
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: shoot him like three years prior, and he was old
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: then and hit high dead zone, you know, and the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: dear live through it. So just like the things they endure, man,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And then when you make a bad shot, and you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: this thing has been living in the wild and the cold,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you know, and everything else and eating dirt pretty much
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for years and years of its life and you wounded.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: It's not a good feeling, you know, And I just
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: kind of want people to know like they're not alone,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's, uh, we get a lot of
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: uh real really rude comments on on that kind of stuff,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: and it's like it's taken a few years for us
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to like become okay with that being the case. You know.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: It's it's hard when people come at you like that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: It's something you This is something I really really love
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: doing and I really try hard to do well. So
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's difficult, and I would imagine at times still weighs
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: on us individually whenever we see a couple come through
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: on our own personal video, you know. So yeah, I mean,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: what do you do about that? Right? Like, when we
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: we can pretend whatever we want, but when we do
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this stuff, we're checking in to nature in a way
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: where we're just a part of it and we're not
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: like a perfect assassin like you know, we're checking in
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: as something that might make mistakes on this, Like we
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: might not do our job perfectly, and that's how that
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: ship goes. And you know, the losing things to coyotes
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: are losing deer to coyotes. Man, like that's just part
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of the game. In some of these states, like there
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: there are places where you could leave a deer all
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: night long. I've let me put it this way. I've
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: never lost a deer to coyotes ever, And the closest
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I ever came was in North Dakota last year. I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: hit one the night before and went out to try
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to find him, and I saw a coyote like running
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: over to this corner and he started. The only thing
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: he ate was his balls. I got everything else, So
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I got really lucky. But what I'm saying is, like
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: some some places, this is like a real concern. You
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: hear that in Kansas a lot like you you just
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: do and they're out there covering ground and they run
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: across the scent of a wounded deer like they're they're
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: going to get on it. In some states like and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like you just didn't do your job as well as
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you could, Like that's that's all that happens. And like
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: when you think about how common it is to not
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: make a perfect shot, like that's like our little secret,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like with all deer hunters or all big game hunters
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: are all hunters in generals, like we don't make perfect
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: shots a lot of the time, So what comes next
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: is up to a lot of different variables, and that's
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: one of them. Not you know, the people who I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: get way people are upset with that, but you're also
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: looking at a cesspool of idiots in the comments there,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and it's not a great place to be. And you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: know they weren't there, like they didn't shoot it. They
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: don't They didn't have your gut reaction. They didn't have
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to make that game time decision of like how long
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: do we leave it? So it's like, well, like you tried, man,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: so sometimes you lose, bro, Dude, I can promise you
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I like I try hard, man. You know, I love
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: doing this. I always have, man like you know, I
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: uh we released uh so the buck that I killed
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: here at my my homestead, I guess um last year.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: This is the first property that I've owned that I've
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: been able to hunt on and uh and hunted on.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And this has literally been a dream of mine since
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I was since I started deer hunting like nine years old,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you know, And I mean having my own property. It
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: used to be I wanted the property in South Texas,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I wanted a brush country property, and you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: because that was where I killed my first deer, was
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: in South Texas on a hunted acre, low fence place,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: you know, down there or whatever. And ever since then,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I've been just fascinated with that country, you know. But um, yeah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I did this. We did a film out of this,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: like a not just a video, but like the film
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: is literally a hundred minutes, you know, it's an almost
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: our forty And um, I didn't know like if people
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: would really watch it, you know and listen. I did
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a couple of monologues and intro monologue and I talk
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: about all this, you know. And but you know, like
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in that film, like I think people could really connect
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: with what I was saying and how much it means
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to me. And I think it got to show aside
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: for people, um that maybe a lot of people don't
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: see in the YouTube world, you know, because everything is
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: so glamorous and quick and you know, just radical and
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: whatever it has to be to get attention. But the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: video has actually done really well man. And I I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: mean we there attention on it. You know this not
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: people may not care to hear this, but like we have,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: like out of a hundred minutes, we're getting like fifty
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: minute average view time. So that's that includes people that
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: start the video and go, oh, I didn't know this
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: was deer hunting or whatever, you know, and they click
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: off in three seconds, and so that's pretty wild that
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: like people will sit in and watch something like that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and listen to me kind of tell my story, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I think hopefully they get to see how much truly
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I've loved deer hunting for since I was young, when
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I used to just draw deer every time I drew something,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just I don't know what
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: it is about, dear, but I have realized in the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: last year that, like I've always been fascinated with them,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: it's not something that I just have pursued in the
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: last couple of years because I feel like I can
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: do video well and I think I can make some
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: money at it. You know, this is something I absolutely
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: love doing. You know. Yeah, well, I think that's I think.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got little kids. You see this with
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: little kids, and I think we forget this. But I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: think we're really drawn to mystery. Like I think we
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: like surprises, and I think we're I think as you get,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: as you become an adult, you sort of fight this
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: battle of like if I have realistic spectations, I know
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: what's coming. You know, there's no bad surprises, there's nothing
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: that's gonna you know, take me out. It's just kind
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of like consistent, boring bullshit. But we we lean toward it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: And then you go do something like deer hunting, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the coolest thing is when that buck walks over the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: ridge and you're like, I've never seen him before, or
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you you know, like when you I think that. One
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: of the coolest things about all this stuff, whether small
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: ofll fish and or pheasant hunting or hunting deer, is
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: sometimes when you go out there, you're like, I don't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I I have no faith I'm going to see a deer,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: or have no faith I'm going to catch a good
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: smalley or shoot a pheasant. And when when it breaks
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: your way, it's like, even though you've done it, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: dozens of times, or hundreds of times, or maybe thousands
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: of times, it's still like, I cannot believe that just happened.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Like when you when you show up at a new
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: place and you're like, I read the maps I looked
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: at on ax, I walked in here, and you sat
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: there and all of a sudden you look up and
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: he's walking on the trail. It's like, holy balls, that's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: an amazing gift that we have. And I think I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: think it really keeps us like inspired to just like
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: that that that's like a self feeding thing too, the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: more that you just allow yourself to be, like I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: want to be in a position where like, if this
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: this breaks a little bit my way, it's freaking awesome.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, if you go kill one, it's it's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that's like a game changer, but it doesn't have to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: get to that level to be really really good for you. Yeah, dude,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you nailed it. I mean, like Casey always says, you
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: have to give amazing a chance to happen, you know.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of the whole concept of I can't
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: kill him from the couch, you know. So, But like
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I had the same thing happened man and uh in
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Kansas about a week and a half ago, And you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I had been I had been hunting hard um a
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: buck on my dad's lease up there, and I haven't
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: hunted he he uh he usually or he we I've
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: always had a spot on his lease. You know, I'm
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: kind of a low man on the tote total pole
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: because he always, you know, lets me hunt out there,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and so I don't try to step on anybody's toes.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hunt anybody's dear. And they want
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to shoot big deer, so they try to shoot five
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: year old plus dear. And so um, this year, my
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: dad didn't draw because everybody saw Crisp's video last year
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and wanted to go shoot deer in Kansas. So they
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: all applied and my dad didn't draw, attacked the first
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: time like twenty years, you know, and uh and so
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: um there was only a couple of guys hunting on
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the lease even this year, and so um, I was like, well,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you know, there's not gonna be many deer taking off
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the place this year. I'm gonna go hunt this big
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: eleven point that we've been watching for, you know, since
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I got video in twenty seventeen. The first year Casey
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and I were hunting Kansas together and Casey took a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: video of him and uh, he's big, big hunting him
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: for days and days, I was sick, man, I got
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I got food poisoning, I think up there and it
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: was miserable, and we get I mean I've literally hunted
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: ten days up there, and then um we get a win.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: All right. We spooked him one morning, uh rattled him in,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: spooked him like seventy yards as a long story, but um,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I is just like beat down, and I was like, yeah,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do. The winds gonna be terrible
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: tomorrow two for him, so I can't really hunt him.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And so I was like, I'm just gonna go to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over to a piece of public and
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: just see as the as the slogan goes, see what happens,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you know. And so I I went over and and uh,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: my cameraman and I actually split up because there's two
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: drainages on this place and we were gonna watch them both.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And they three does in a big buck walk work
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: into the top his canyon like three quarters of a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: mile away, you know, right after the sun kind of
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: starts hitting the landscape. And long story short, Um, we
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: snuck in on this deer and I killed him at
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: fifty yards from the ground, um, which I've never shot
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: over forty And I just knew that. I said, I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: told myself, if I'm gonna shoot the shot, I know
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: how far he is I need to focus and if
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and I need to my pen does not need to
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: be floating around. And so it all happened out to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: where it was that way. I spent a lot of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: time holding on him when I was at full draw. Uh.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: But when I when when I shot him, it's literally
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a I'm talking dead nuts in the
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: heart at fifty yards and he comes had no clue, dude.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: He comes back down the trail at me and like
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: gets to like thirty and I didn't know for sure
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: it was hard. I knew it was kind of low,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and so I'm like trying to knock another arrow. I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: get it knocked, I clip on. I look up and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: he's literally closer than when I shot him. He's at
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like forty yards and he's stumbling and he falls and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: crashes right there. And I just turned to my caraman
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Eric and like tackled him like form tackling. Dude. I
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: was just like, you know, it's like you say, like
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: when something like that happens, you just like every time
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I stalk a deer, I go, it's this won't happen,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and me in case he would just laugh and stuff,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you know, like We're just out there like there will
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: be sixty yards from the dear. We're laughing, you know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: because we're like, this thing gonna happen. We're just telling
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: jokes and stuff. And that's how it was on that one.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: And then literally, you know, we're sitting fifty yards from
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: him in the grass while he's bed and waiting on
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: stand up, and in ten seconds, my whole season changes.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Just a massive deer goes down to four yards and it's,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: like you said, it's like the most amazing thing, dude,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Like when something like that happens and it surprises you, man,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: And that surprise, like you said, is something that I
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: do think we crave. Man. It's it's a to see
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: something new and amazing happen. It's such a blessing, man,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: It's awesome, it is. I mean, I had the film
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: in the series for for us here, you know that
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: that big one I killed in Minnesota. I mean I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: would I was sitting there thinking like how long is
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: my camera man gonna make it because it was so cold,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: and I was just like I just didn't have that
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: much faith, and I'm like I would have shot a
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: hundred inchre And then you have an awesome buck run
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: in and you know, six days later, I'm sitting there
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and stand and had made a lot of mistakes in
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the last few days. And it's like one o'clock in
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the afternoon, sixty degrees during the rut, and you're like,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Like I've never killed a mid
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: day cruiser before. You look up on the hill and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: here he comes, and it's just like no way, Like
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: no way, But where else? I always think about this
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: as an adult, like and you're like, like, where else
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: can you get that? Like where else can you get
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: something like this? Like there aren't very many places for that.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing like when you talk about
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the adrenaline dump you get after after doing what you
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: did there in on that buck. It's like how many
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: things can you do? Like how many freaking avenues does
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: an adult man have to get that feeling? Like they're
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: not that many, like unless you want to really risk
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: your life doing something and we don't, you know, like
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: like I don't want a cage fight. I don't want
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to jump off of like buildings with squirrel suits on,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Like there's only so many routes for a guy like me.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I just I think it's amazing that we have that.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's such a gift. It is, man, you're
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a right man. Like it's uh that the the instance
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: of that happening, um for us is really cool. And
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I think that what we when we run into is uh,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: like once you get out of college, you just like
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: culturally here in America, were expected to get a job,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: right and so which I didn't do. Um, I went
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: huring and making no money and I'm still poor and uh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: you know, but I I have good experiences, man, you know,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: like I get to do some awesome stuff. And um,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I definitely am blessed with lots of opportunities and have
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: a different situation. You know, I didn't. Um, I can't
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: even say I'm not My situation is different, you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Like there was there's people that they did have to
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: get a job as soon as they got out of
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: high school or whatever because their whole their whole family
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: for generations has been broke, broke people, you know, and
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: so like I am truly blessed man. Um, not that
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I have like money in my family, but I I
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: did know that like if something happened, that I had
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: family members and people that would help me out. I
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: didn't want that to happen, and luckily I never got to.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest, man, I've sat in my
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: driveway at the first house that I that I ever bought,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: going I can't pay the mortgage this month, and I'm
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: literally in tears in my driveway, you know, and I'm like,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I gotta find a job, I gotta do something, and
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I I just luckily I've made it through. Man. You know, Um,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to always provide for myself
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: my family, you know, but um, I didn't know that
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I had other family members that take care of me.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: So I just want to clarify that. It's like, you know,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: my situation is not as desperate as some people's in America, right,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: But like, as an American, generally we are expected to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: get a job. And when you get your job, like
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you said, we like the we kind of gravitate towards
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: this whole um. You know, if you have a nine
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to five and it pays for you know, you live
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: within your means. Then generally, as Americans were like convenience too,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and everything is pretty convenient, you know, other than maybe
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: traffic when you're coming home from more like you can
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: go get fast food if you need to, you can
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: go to the grocery store. We got clean water, we
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: got trash system that keeps all the trash out of
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the streets. And now that you know, like it's the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: best place in the world to live. And so um,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: we kind of get into this groove where like we
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: like that, we like to convenience with like a bed
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: to sleep in at night, you know, And you're right,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like nothing really amazing happens when you just kind of
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: do the same thing every day typically, um, and there's
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: not many avenues for us to to find that kind
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: of adrenaline unless you, like you said, you're, uh, you
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: jump out of planes or your drug addict or something
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, but like that's that would be
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the only like there's only a few things. And like
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I said, you don't risk your life and pretty much,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're fairly safe going up into a tree,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: like you're pretty safe deer hunting and you're actually doing
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: something that gets you just so hot, man, that's fairly safe.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: It's it's cool, man, It's it's as good as it gets.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: So is it safe to say the Element Boys aren't
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: driving around the Lamborghinis and using ivory backscratchers at home. No,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: we uh in case he's slept in the bed of
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: his truck all week last week, you know, and uh,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: we've spent a lot of time my my cameraman. Eric
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: actually um just sleeps on the ground in the tent
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: when we go places. I'm like, dude, I have an
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: air mattress, you know. And he's like, no, I'll be
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: all right, I got a comforter. I'm like, no, that's
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: not okay. You know, you need to be on the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: stair right. He's like, no, I'm good man. How old
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: is he? He's thirty one? Oh, he's he's too old
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: for that ship. Oh definitely do I was I thought
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: you were gonna say, yeah, no, No. We had a
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: twenty year old last year, and um, I would say
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: a thirty one year old just has a little more
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: responsibility about himself typically, you know, generally speaking, uh and
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: ur and Eric is just awesome dude, but like, yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: he's very Uh he doesn't need much, you know, and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that's that's I mean. To to really roll around with us,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to be that way a little bit.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: It's just um, it's not always fun. There are moments
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: that it's just like college football, man, Like you go out,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I played, you know, I mean, I've told you that
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: before you go out twelve or fourteen times a year
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and have the coolest experience that you can have. Your
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: nerves are going. It's like shooting a deer, right, You're
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like almost shaking before kickoff. You kind of get into
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the groove, but like there are thousands of people there
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: and maybe even millions on TV, depending on if you're
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: on ESPN or whatever. It's insane, dude, for like thirteen days,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and then there's three hundred and twenty days outside of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: that that you're literally like trying not to throw up
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: because you're working out and you got homework, but you
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: also have to do an hour and a half of
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: film study with your individual group. And you know what
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: people don't see is that and the same thing with music, right,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Like they don't see you drive eight hours from the
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: night before to your next venue and set up for
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: two hours sound check and all that. Then go eat
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: some crappy food and you know, go into a dirty
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: hotel room and get you know, if you're lucky, and
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: get dressed and then you know, what they see is
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: the ninety minuteure on stage having you know, an awesome time,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and it looks like so glamorous, But there are definitely
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: moments and the same thing in traveling and hunting that
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to go out the other day in
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Colorado when it was eight degrees and the wind show
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: was you know, zero or whatever. But you know, kind
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: of kind of feel obligated to. We're spending money, business
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: money on tags and stuff, you know, and gas, so
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: kind of feel obligated to. If I was hunting just
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: for fun, I might have missed that morning. You know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I might have just stayed in the you know, I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: might have drove around and tried to you know, scout
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: deer from the truck. But instead I got out on
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: the ground and did some stuff. You know. So there
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: are there are things, but I mean, I literally can't
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: complain because this is the dream job that I would have.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Man Like since I was nine years old, I wanted
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: to deer hunt and for a living. I didn't know
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: what out and then i'd be on YouTube or whatever,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: you know, but I knew that, like that was something
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and you know, it's a dream.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: It literally is a dream, you know when you bring
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: up those three examples of playing college football, playing in
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a band, being a musician, and then doing this, you know,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: creating hunting content around specifically around public land white tails.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: What you're saying is you just kind of learned the
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: things that take a lot of work are the things
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: that are worth the most. Like you said it without
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: saying it, And I think that's the greatest message out
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: there with this public land movement is by showing people
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that this can be done by you going and showing
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: up in Illinois or Kansas, are somewhere and on a
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: big one. You show people that this is, this is doable,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: like like this is this is something within your purview,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Like this is in your grasp, like you can do this,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: and it inspires people to get out there. Like I
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: think I think that that's you know, the hunting public
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: does a great job of that too, Like I think
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: it's really important for people to understand that, whether whether
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: they actually aspire to be a public land killer or not,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Like you can see even if you don't acknowledge it,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you can see that there has to be some work here,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Like you're you're taking these people who are not. They're
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: not writing huge checks to hunt somewhere. They're sleeping in
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: free contents. They're hunting on over the counter tags or
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: tags that you can draw, and they're just dedicated to
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: the process and they're going to see it through to
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the end. And you do that enough and you kill
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: good deer in places where you're technically not supposed to
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: or like we're theoretically like it should be really really hard,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: but it can be done. And we're seeing people show
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: this all over the place, and I think I think
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing, like on a way smaller scale.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: You know, everybody loves dog, right, Like people who don't
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: love dogs are sociopaths. We we don't want we don't
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: want to hang this same thing as people who don't
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: love music. I'm like, what's wrong with you anyway? When
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you when you love hunting dogs, working dogs. Everybody has
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: the best dog. Everybody's dog is the best dog ever,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Like we all own the number one, you know. But
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: then you get around a dog that's been trained really
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: really well and has a good working relationship with its owner,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and it's like it's out there on that team thing
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and it's it's doing it's doing this job in a
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: way that you maybe have never seen before. You go, WHOA, Like,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: now I know what they're capable of. Like I had
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: something awesome already. Now that I see this, I go,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: this could be even better. But there's a lot of
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: work there, Like there's a lot to build in to
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: to have that end result. But it's worth it. It's
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: it's worth it not only for the end result, but
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: how you feel through that process. And I literally don't
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: think we have a better opportunity for that for a
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: lot of us than just going out and challenging ourselves
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: with deer. Yeah. Percent, man, that's a you know, like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you you mentioned being dedicated to the process and that's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: like that that's a huge uh point for people to
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: think about here when it comes to this, because, UM,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I know for us, something Casey and I talked about
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: a lot is that Um, Like you said, everybody thinks
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: they hunt the hardest place, But I've hunted a lot
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: of states now and I do know that East Texas
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: UM has been very difficult to hunt UM for us,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: And UM, you know one thing that we have is
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: smaller deer. They make less sign we see less rubs,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: we see less scrapes, the trails are made by hundred
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: forty pound deer instead two hundred forty pound deer. You know,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: like the sign is just less and the trails are less,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: and so like, I can't remember when I first um
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: started hunting with Casey. He's, like I said earlier, he's
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: very observant and so like he helped me to really
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: start to understand sign even better and like locate sign
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: and better really um and so, but I can remember
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: we would we started out hunting here locally, and he
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: would go, oh, there's a trailer right there, and I
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: would be like, you know, I've been hunting Caness or something.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not a trailer. I don't know what
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. That's you're crazy. And now I see it,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: you know, like it several years later, I've been able
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to see what he's talking about. And you know, there's
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: there's not a high population either, it's not high density,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: so there's just not a lot of signs. So what
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: we've kind of noticed, we think at least, is that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: hunting here and kind of cutting our teeth on public
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: land here has made us better hunters other places. So like,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: if you're listening and you're from you know, Florida or
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Alabama or something like that where things are a little
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: bit different, or Louisiana or whatever. You know, that's uh,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: something that could kind of give you some confidence maybe
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: is to know that, like this is a place that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: is tough to hunt. If I can learn to hunt here,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: then I can apply a lot of these things that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: dear generally do in other places and really start to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: figure things out pretty well in other places. You know.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason we travel to Illinois or
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: something like that or i was because there's there's big
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: deer and the sign is a little bit easier to read.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Now there are things like you know, night sign and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you know what sign is relevant, what sign is hot?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: You know, and stuff like that that you start to
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: have to You run into issues with that when you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: go to Iowa and you're like, dude, there are scrapes
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and rubs everywhere, Like, what do I do with this?
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: You know, it's too much, it's overload. But the thing
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: that I I do see is you know that we
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: kind of we kind of have that going for us.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: But I guess when I'm trying to track back to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: is the point where you said, falling in love with
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: the process or being dedicated to the process is very
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: important because it took us a few years to kind
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: of find our group of hunting and filming and trying
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: to find you know, good close encounters where you kill deer.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: And I think we're seeing it pay off a little bit,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: you know, but um, a lot of guys. Man, we
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: get a ton of people that send us messages or whatever,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, uh, man, I just struggled
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: so much this year. I haven't had hardly any any
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: good encounters. You know. I don't know, I'm trying to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: kill a dough and I can't even kill a dough,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think that, Um, what we're seeing
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: is there's a lot of accessibility in this hunting, this
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: public hunting movement. Um, so guys are getting well and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: also through the coronavirus stuff, Like we've seen this kind
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: of a lot of people talk about like maybe a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: hipster movement or something like that, where people are starting
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: to get into hunting for the first time. And we
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: have you know, Eric, our cameraman, he's only been hunt
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of years. And another one of our caraman,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: producer kind of guys that works with us as well,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: named Chris. I mean he wears black skinny jeans into
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: the woods. I mean that is what he wears. So
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: and literally he wore the little like they're like boots,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: but they're like that tall. As for people who can't
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: hear me, it's like four or see me, it's like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: four inches, you know, like it's the hipster boot. You know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: that's what he wears into the woods. And he's a
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: fair of the new hunter. You know, he grew up
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: in the Dallas metro area and didn't hunt, and you know,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: his dad's an accountant, and you know that that's the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: life you live until the last couple of years and
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: you find this like sustainability movement, right and so but
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I think people are getting maybe a little what could
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: be confusing to them, is it? And it does look easy,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes we have these highlight reels that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: look easy, right, but it's not. It's not easy. And
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: if you I've been hunting since I was you know tiny,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and Casey has to dude, Casey probably started hunting before
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I did. And um, he's a year younger, so we're
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: you know, we probably have you know, fifty years of
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: combined experience between us, and like I said in the beginning,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: we're bouncing fifty years of experience off of each other
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: the whole time. And if you're kind of a hipster
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: dude that's uh been hunting for two years now, you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: just can't expect that you're gonna to have a whole
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: lot of success, you know. So just like fall in
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: love with the process of learning how to how to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: get encounters, how to get closer to hear what sign
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: means and stuff, and learned from these people. Learn from Tony,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: you know, learn from you Man, learn from Mark and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: some of the people there at Mediator, and learn from
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: uh the hunt in public, and learn you know, hopefully
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: from us. We try to put a lot of content
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: out there that teaches people how to read maps and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: how do what we see when we go boot scouting
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, So, uh just dive into that
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: and and understand that there may be some moments early
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: on that you are very bored in the stand and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: things are not going your way, but it just it
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: takes that to get through, and you have to be
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: dedicated the process. Like you said, let's let's clear this up.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: You don't have to. We're not against tipsters here. You
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: can man. Yeah, I don't want to offend anybody in
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Bozeman specifically with this podcast. Uh. But here's the thing
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: about what you just said. I and I see this
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: a lot. I think there's two things that the hunting
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: industry did very poorly that we're still suffering from today
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: and we may suffer from until hunting is freaking gone.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: One is we made it look too easy to kill
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: big bucks that we set as unrealistic standard. That's just stupid.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: It's it's like you can probably compare it to like,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I know we don't watch network television a
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: ton now, like, but you know when you were growing up,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: when I was growing up, there are sitcoms on and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: there'd be like this fat dad bob dude with a
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: supermodel wife every time. Like it's not real, like what
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: you're seeing that that doesn't exist, Like unless that dude
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: started Microsoft or something doesn't happen. So we we we
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: did that and we're still suffering from it today. We're
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: suffering from it, maybe more than ever now that because
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: we have social media and we can see every two
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: buck that's ever killed ever and the other thing is
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: we convince people they can look at bucks and age them.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: So everybody thinks that they can just read a buck
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: on the hoof and go that one's two and a half,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: that one's four and a half. It's I'm telling you,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: we cannot do that, and the people who think they
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: can are lying to themselves. This is not an easy
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: thing to do. Wildlife biologists cannot do it. Some random
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: dude who's killed three bucks definitely can't do it. But
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: the problem here is with those two things. And now
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: we have this public land movement. People go, well, I'm
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: gonna go out and do that. And I know that
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: you see this a lot, and I see this too.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I think the thing holding a lot of people back
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: is their expectations. Their standards are way too high for
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: their experience level. And I don't want to sound like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: a dick there because I don't mean it that way,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: but like you wouldn't like if if you and I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: got together and play guitar, people would be like, Tyler's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: a lot better than Tony. Like I wouldn't show up
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: and expect to play like you can't because I know
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I cannot. Like I just know even though we we
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: maybe have been playing the same amount of time. I
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: guarantee you you've put in so much more to that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: pursuit than I have. Without question. So if I showed
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: up and I was like, I'm gonna be like him,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen. When you're talking about hunting, like maybe
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you have hunted thirty years, But is it three weekends
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: a season or is it are you living in a
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: tent for forty days and hunting public land? And like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: there's a big big It varies a lot, and I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: see a lot of people bring in somebody else's standards
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: to this. And you know, I know this happens to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: you all the time. It happens to me too, when
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: people reach out and be like, I'm hunting this shooter
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: and I got pictures of him on this public land,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: but I I haven't seen him yet. I'm really frustrated, and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: here's my stand What do I do? And it's like
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: a screen, I'm like, what do you expect me to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: do with this man? Like I don't I can't stand
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: that stuff because I can't. I can't help you, you know,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: like there's way too much missing here. And I always
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: I always get this vibe not always, but percent a time,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you probably shouldn't be just targeting that caliber
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: of buck yet, Like you don't seem like you're there yet.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: And I know, like it's a hard thing for us
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: guys specifically to do. You do see women in the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: industry doing it now too, but man, like recognizing that, Okay, well,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: maybe on Gramdma's farm, I can hold out for one forties.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: But if I travel a lot of eight and I'm
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm hunting public land for the first time and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I can't go climb into my ladder stand on my
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: food plot, that's a different thing. I think you go
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: by that saddle and you want to go go mobile wherever,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: like okay, but you're not at the same level you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: were at home, like you and I think that that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: we're like, we're that's danger ground there. Yeah. No, I
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: hadn't even thought about the age thing. Man, that's that's
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: definitely something. Um So, there are some forums I'm not
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: gonna name them, um and then some Facebook groups that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a part of, um, just I'll say they're Texas
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: based groups. And you know this is where quality deer
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: management started here in Texas, right, So, dude, the number
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: one post in November that you'll see is a picture
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: of a buck and it'll say an age and score,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: and it is. It is. It's comical, dude, I mean
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: it literally because for one, with you know Texas, it
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: takes you fifteen hours to drive across Texas. So you're
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: talking about some deer can way to fifty and then
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: there's deer that are you know, if they weigh one fifty,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: that's a nice size buck, you know in certain parts
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: of Texas. So you know, who even knows that this
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: guy's hunting? You know, no telling what the age of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: this dear is. He could be three or it could
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: be seven. You know, there's no telling. And so I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: hadn't really thought about that as being an issue, but
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I would have thought about what you said about the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: expectations thing, and we talked about it a lot on
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: our podcast. Um and I'll be frank when we go
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: to South Dakota, I am. I am all about shooting
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: a one and a half year old buck. If that's like,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: it's just it's there. There's so many deer there, you know,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say like it's maybe the biggest buck
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: state or whatever. There's nice bucks there too. We saw
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: a giant uh come through camp when we were there
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: this year. But like, I'm going there to have a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: good time in the early season when it's nice weather.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: And frankly, dude, if I can shoot like a six
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: or eight point buck and then go shoot sharp tails
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: or pheasant, I would be because you I've told you
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: this before. I loved your hunting so much. But I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: think I like shooting a shotgun better than I like
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: deer hunting, probably like I and and that that would
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: be like you know, clay targets are fun, but at
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: any any winged animal. I love shooting a shotgun and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: it's one of my things that I grew up doing
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: NonStop in high school. And I feel like probably do
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: better than I do anything else is shoot a shotgun,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and so it's so much fun. Dude, I love I
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: love shooting birds. I love that surprise we were talking
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: about earlier when a bird bird gets out of the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: grass man, and um, it's just the best. So like
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: when I go to South Dakota, I'm trying to shoot
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: a small bug. I've been hunting twenty five years and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: like I shot a one probably one and a half
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: year old eight point last year and was stoked. Dude,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I'm talking. It's you know, and that's that's where setting
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: your expectations is key, you know. I mean, I I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: don't go to Kansas or um. You know, I was
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: in Colorado last weekend. I don't go there thinking I'm
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot at one and a half year old deer.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely not going to do that. And that's that's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: just what I've chosen to do. But you gotta set
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: your expectations based off of either your experience or um,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: your experience level or like, um, the place that you are,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: you know. I think so definitely key. And you know
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: the one thing about that too, because I'll shoot a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: little one all day long in a lot of different places.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I gotta spread, man, And dude, I love it. You'll
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: send you'll send me pictures all the time, but like,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: you know, not not huge deer. And I can just
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: tell you're so proud of it, you know, And it
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: has to do with that work that you put in,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and like what what when it came down
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: to when you made the decision, you know, And I'm like, dude,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: that's you can just tell, dude, you're just happy when
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: you send those pictures, you know, well and I am.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: And the thing that I know people don't believe this,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't have like a play where I could
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: just go hunt and kill those l right, Like I
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: don't have like a guaranteed place to go shoot deer
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: like I have. I have private properties I can hunt.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I have lots of public land I go hunt, but
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: I got I've got limited amount of time. And I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: love the experience of traveling and hunting public land. So
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: that's that's most of my hunting. And you know, you
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: know how it is, like sometimes you go into a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: state and you're like, you know, it's the right time.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I got three in the freezer already, Like I'm I'm
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be picky. Sometimes you just go in hungry. Sometimes
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: you go and you're like this is gonna be awesome,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, it sucks every day and you
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: can't get on anything. And then you have one start
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: walking in that you you know previous to the hunt.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: You're like, there's no way I would shoot that. And
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: then you get into a real hunting situation and that
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: deer starts walking in You're like, I want to kill
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: that buck bad, and I love, you know, and I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for people who can go
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: out and just like stick to their guns. I'm not
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm I'm in the moment kind of guy.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: And I just like I just learned over time, Like
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: if I don't end the season with a bunch of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: deer in the freezer, I feel like I have a failure.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Like I don't like that, Like I I would rather
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: have that than anything else at this point in my life.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: And you know, like we talked about earlier, man, like
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: you know, you go to a state like South Dakota,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: if you can go crawl around and stock bucks, that's
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: like what's more fun? You know? And and you know
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: what's not fun is going in with that mentality. This
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: happens to a lot of first time meal deer hunters.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Is they go, I just want to go glass up
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: a good you know sixty and you know stock them.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, if you're on and over the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: counter tag on public land, you might you might get
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: a chance. Like you you can find big meal deer
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: if you know what you're doing, But the odds of
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: you're making good on that one stock that week are
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: almost zero. And you might spend a ton of time
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: on the glass or driving around not really hunting because
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: you think that this is where it's gotta be, and like, hey,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you do you but when you know how it is
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: when you go and do this stuff, like I want
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: to hunt, Like I want to go out there and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: be with them, and I want to get my chance
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: to try to time my draw and make my shot
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: and see if I can do this ship right. And
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: you got to do the whole process to get there. Yeah,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: that's like with antelope, Like I don't know what a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: big antalopez or whatever, you know, Like they all look
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: big to me. So We'll be driving down the road
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, I gotta do that someday. You know.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I got to try to try to do that. And
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I have a few points. I think I got a
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: point in Wyoming, you know, but like I uh, I've
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: always said that, like when it comes to antalope especially,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: but even I think about this with like deer and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Elk as well, because I feel like when I'm Elk hunting,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in in the middle of the day.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just walking around the woods just
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: being so unproductive, you know, like I'm not hunting anything,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel like I'm not hunting, is
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: what I feel like. I feel like I'm just in
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: the mountains being a hipster, to say the least, of
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: wearing your skinny jeans. It's right, Uh, but so I
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: I but I I've always said this about anilopant man,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I don't really care to kill a big one. I
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: just want to make sure I'm scouting or stalking antelope
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: all day, you know what I mean. I just wanna
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: if I bust one, I want to be able to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: like go down the road, regroup, get something to eat,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: and find some more to stalk. And I just want
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: to go. There's a bunch of them. And that's just
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, is like, I want to be hunting.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I want to feel like I'm in the game. I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: don't like walking around in the September of Colorado not
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: knowing what's going on for days on end, you know.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: So that's that's struggle for me, and that's why I like,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: that's why I don't do many all day sits. And
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I actually did one. I did my first one in
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a long time. Maybe maybe I don't know if I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: did an all day last year. But I did one
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: um in Colorado last week, and uh, the magical thing
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: of deer cruising through in the middle of day did
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: not happen, and so it was. It's pretty boring. But
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: like I I, I'm more of the type that will
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: like find a way. I be sitting in the stand
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: in the morning, late morning, and instead of doing an
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: all day hunt, I would rather just like come up
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: with a good plan on my map and think, oh dear,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do this this afternoon, so let's go move
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: the stands. And I'd rather just break the whole thing
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: down and go find I mean, even if I got
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: to move a hundred yards or whatever, at least I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: did something in the the middle the day. Gave me something
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to do. And I'm I feel like I'm hunting instead
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: of just sitting there waiting on things to happen, you know. So,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I can wait in
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: a stand, I'm not they got it has to be
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: on the ground all the time. Like some of these
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: guys they you know, they don't like hunting and tree stands.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: But I try to have some patience. But the all
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: day thing is not my favorite. That's for sure. It's
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: it's tough. I mean, you gotta have some confidence, man,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: like real confidence, and you gotta you know, you gotta
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: recognize like, all right, do I believe in this because
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: it's I think it's gonna happen, or do I just
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: not want to go to a plan B and it's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: hard man, or you know, or to not talk yourself
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: out of just going into town for lunch, Like I
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: struggled with that with all day sits for a long
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: long time. Actually, what got me over the hump was
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: dedicating myself to killing like public land long beards with
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: a bow where you're just like it's such a pain
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: in the ask to move a blind and decoys in
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: your chair and all your stuff, like if you're if
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: you're bow hunting turkeys without you know, if you're not
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: doing the gilly suit thing or whatever, Like it's a
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: freaking gear intensive, you know, it's it sucks a lot
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: of times. And so it's like you better really find
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: a good spot and write it out. And when you do,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: like dark to dark sits for turkeys, you know, on
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: those days in the spring, it's like, man, I'm sitting
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: in a tree stand for white tails for eleven hours
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: versus like sixteen hours for turkeys. It's not so bad,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: but it takes. It takes the right mindset, and it
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: takes you know, you've got to be really confident to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: know when you should actually be pulling the plug. And
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: it's it's like that's a learned thing, you know, and
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: you have to learn yourself, right, like you said, if
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: it's something that's really not your thing, Like if you
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: learn that, okay, don't do it then, but learn how
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: to be out there and keep your time productive, because
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's important. Yeah, that's that's or your exactly right.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Like there are people like if you you know the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: why I told Adrenalin, guys like those guys, they do
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: it a certain way, you know, and that lends itself
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: to guys who have done it that way and had success.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: But that way that they do it is it does
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: not lend itself to guys that don't haven't done it. Like,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: if you haven't done it that way, then and you
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: want to, you better be dedicated to the process, like
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: we said earlier, you know, because it's it's tough to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: kill dear from the ground on public land, you know,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: all the time with a longbow or whatever like. And
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: so like all the stipulations you put on yourself, you know,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: our challenges that you can give yourself, but they're also
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: they're also ways to either have more fun or just
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're kind of a newer hunter
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: or something, to lend yourself to something that fits your
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: style a little better, you know. And so everybody has
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: a different style. And there are guys like I gotta
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: we got a friend that is a killer man. He's
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: he kills a deer on public in East Texas, like
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I mean every year, pretty much good deer. And he's
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: he's like the type that's like if the wind changes direction,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: just look, just turn around and look into the wind.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: You know. He's like he will sit there, you know,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: in the same spot and ride it out and kills
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: a buck like a good buck every year. Man. I mean,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: he's a better hunter than me, I would, I would say,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: and he just that's the way he does it. And
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't. I cannot do that, you know, um
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: right now at least so and maybe maybe that's me
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: being you know, naive or inexperienced or whatever, but I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, there are definite like styles
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: that people have or characteristics and person and personality traits
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: that people have that lend theirselves to a certain style,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: and so you kind of gotta I gotta figure out
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: what that is. And like I said earlier, it's not
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: always fun. But um, you know, if you if you
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: you gotta balance like success and fun and so like
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: how much success do you really are you hard? After
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: you probably should have a little less fun, And if
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: you want to have the most fun, you may not
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: have quite as much success. But it's okay, like half fun,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So if that's what your
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: goal is, didn't didn't do it? You know, So those
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: things kind of work inversely, I think a little bit
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes And you you make a really interesting point to
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: the point there about the you know, if you take
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: the wait til Adrenalin guy's style or maybe a Dan
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: and Fault style, and you know you talk about your
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: own style, You've got enough experience in this to know
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: this is what I like doing, this is probably what
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, and this is like, this is what's
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: gonna make me the happiest. That that's like no small thing.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: So when people are trying to emulate somebody else's style.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing to try, like go try to
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: be Zack farembof if you want, go ahead might be
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: your thing, it might not. But the more stuff you try,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: like your your example with the stocking antelope, like, if
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: you want to prove yourself like a real bow hunter,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: go shoot a bunch of public land antelope with your
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: bow spot and stock. Don't do it out of a blind,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: don't do it with decoy. Just go show me that
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: you can go sneak up on those suckers. You'll learn
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: a lot about yourself. You'll learn what you're capable of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: patients wise, you know, planning a stockwise, hunt wise, like
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: you'll learn on day three four, like if this is
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: still your thing or not, you know, there's there's a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: lot to that. But when you start, you start getting
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: more experiences like that, you start finding out like this
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: is what I really like and this is what I
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: don't like. And I'm telling you instead of just leaning
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: into what's easy, if you lean into what you like,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: you'll work harder at it and you'll kill more dear,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: and so you take you know, your your examples with
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: the white tail Agennalin guys, they're they're doing what they're
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: good at. They've they like home dase skill like Dan
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: in fall hunting that you know buckbeds, he's home that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: skill over you know, decades. That's important to acknowledge. Like
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: you could go out and try that. You might be successful,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you might not, but it might be like the most
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: amazing thing to you. Or you might go I don't
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: like this. I don't want to go walk through the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: swamps and scout for these beds. I want to go
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: do something else. And when you learn that about yourself,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: you even though you'll be going away from a successful
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: strategy for some people, you'll be finding something that's better
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: for you. And man, like you want a crash course
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: in this stuff, go go figure out a way to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: hunt new places like now, and I'm not even talking
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: just necessarily out of state. Like your your point about
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: East Texas, it's such a good one, right, Like you're
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: talking about how hard it is. And then you've got
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: a guy out there who's going to kill big ones.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: What's his secret? Like what's he doing? And then like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: you think about somebody in Florida. So like you mentioned Louisiana,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: you know we northern Wisconsin. You can find places close
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: to you that are going to be different than what
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you're used to, and it's gonna be shitty at first,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: like it's not gonna be as much fun. But if
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: you start the scouting process and you start the process
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: of figuring this stuff out, it'll probably get fun and
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: it will probably show you ways where you can enjoy
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: the work and the discipline in the in the process
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: much more, even though it might not seem that appealing.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Like I just just as an example, I'm I'm like
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: obsessed with northern Wisconsin because it kicks my ass. I
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: hate it. I I love it, and I hate it
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: right Like it's I got a weird relationship with that place,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Like I'm going to kill big ones there at some point,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: and I spend more time scouting there in the winter,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: and it's like could become this thing that just drives me,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: like I don't feel good at this stuff when I'm there,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: and I don't like that feeling, but I love the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: process of just being like, Okay, well, I know it's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: gonna be different this year because there's gonna be you know,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: a new wolf pack somewhere. There's gonna be a new
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: four wheeler trail somewhere there's gonna be something going on
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: that changes things for me and I have to start
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: over over. But it teaches me like even though you
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like outwardly hate this, like you keep coming
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: back for a reason. Like it's like I have a
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: bad relationship, you know, like you know this my partner sucks.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm gonna keep giving it another shot.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: And you just you learn about yourself that way. And
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: like you said before, if you go do that stuff,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: like when you guys are hunting East Texas, man, I
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: bet it's pretty easy to go appreciate South Dakota, Like
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I bet it's pretty easy to appreciate a lease and
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: freaking Kansas after you're hunting that stuff. That's important. Yeah, man,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: that's and that's a you make a good really some
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: really good points. But like there, um, you know, like
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I said, pretty much everywhere you can find something new
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: pretty close to you. So I mean for us, I
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: think about we're about seventy miles east of Dallas right here,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: and so if we were hunting like real close to home. Um,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: we have a certain type of habitats Postoke, you know,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: old prairie or whatever, and if we go basically from here,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: if we go like twenty miles to the west, we
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: start turning into uh a little bit more black soil
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: um and shorter trees, less less oaks, more locust trees, hackberries,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. And then you work in the Dallas
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: and there's obviously this massive concrete jungle there and when
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: you get around that, it's mesquite trees and it's uh
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: more red dirt and stuff like that. And so like
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: that's two hours from us. You know, if you go
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: to the east twenty miles, we've got pine trees and
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: it's the start of literally the south, you know what
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pine tree country. And um, I think
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: that that um kind of thing happens all over America.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: I would assume, maybe not necessarily twenty miles, but you know,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: you could drive an hour and find bluffs or find
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: flat farmland, or you know, find a river bottom country
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: or whatever you know, And so, um, it doesn't it
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: don't have to You don't have to go from Texas
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: south Dakota to challenge yourself with a new type of
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: deal and to give yourself an opportunity to find out
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: what you enjoy the most, you know, and you can
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: take that stuff and related across the country. So if
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: you end up like for us, if we end up
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: like finding success in the river bottoms and really enjoying
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: that here in East Texas, I mean I can go
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of places and find river bottom type habitat
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it's weird, but like I
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: what kind of looks like where we live. It's you know,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: it's just a little bit bigger oaks, um and you know,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: lots of creeks and drawls and stuff, you know, and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: so um, you can kind of take that and go
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: across the country. And also one thing that Casey always
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: talks about is that you know, he says, dear do
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: dear things, and so like their characteristics and habits that
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: deer have, that are those characteristics and habits because they're dear,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: not because of where they live. And so you take
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: those and apply them across the country. And we try
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: to do that. That's I think been a big kind
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: of breakthrough of mind just to help me with finding
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: success and take take those things and go and understand.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: You know, for instance, just a quick little example, if
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: you're falling a fence and the top string uh SAgs
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: down in one little section of that fence a deer,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: the deer going across there, if that's the only, if
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: that's the lowest by six inch six inches place in
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: three yard stretch or whatever, you know, it's it's it's
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: fairly simple. Um. It sounds like, you know whatever. But
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: those are the things that you can carry that you
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: find out, um while you're hunting, that you can carry
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: across the country and use to your advantage. You know, man,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: that's that's such a good point. And one of the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: things I would say on that is, not only do
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: you do you learn that's true when you go hunt
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff. You see the similarities. You
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: also realize that we care a lot of baggage with
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: us that's not true about our deer. And I'll use
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: this as an example. My one of my really good buddies.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I met him tournament fishing. We hunt together a lot.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: He's a great guy. And I took one of my
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: daughters to Lake Malax here in Minnesota. Malax is like
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: world renowned for smallmouth right it's it's it's incredible. It
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: gets a lot of pressure crystal clear, but the bass
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: are freaking awesome. And it was supposed to be dead calm,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: which is the reason I went there, because it's this huge,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: twenty mile wide bowl and if it's windy, it sucks bad.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: It sucks way too much for my boat. Well, we
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: got there and it was really windy right at sunrise,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, like, we're gonna go just try
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: this anyway. And I got out there and it was
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: one of those things where I was like having trouble
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: control on my boat with the trolling motor, and so
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm standing on that and I grabbed a rod that
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: had a swimming jag on it and threw it out
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: there and caught a small mouth right away, totally by accident,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: and so I started throwing that and they were just
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: on this wind beating shore. They were eating something that
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: looks like a moving minnow or a crayfish like, And
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, this is malax You gotta
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: throw a little stuff and floral line and you gotta
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: do these these Malaxi things. And I was talking to
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: my buddy about it and he's like, what did you
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: catch him on today? I'm like, I caught him on
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: a top water and I caught him on a swimming
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: jig just like I do on the Mississippi River and
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: all these other lakes. And he's like, you caught malax
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: mamoth on a swimming jig. I was like, yeah, I
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they're just small mouth like but
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: in in my head, you know, I'm like these these
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: fish needs something different. And you know, you see this
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: with you hear this a lot with like Southern turkeys
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: or white tails and certainly you know, like Southern turkeys
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: and example like oh, you're never gonna call in an
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Alabama turkey, Like, well their turkeys, right, like are you sure?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Like are you sure you're gonna stick to that statement? Like, well,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: but we bring in this stuff. And the more you
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: travel and the more you hunt different spots, you realize like, Okay,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: some of these things I've been led to believe, they're
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: not doing me any good. They're holding me back. And
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: you know, if you take Casey's mindset and you go, yeah, dear,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: do what dear do? Okay, Well, dear lay down where
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: deer to lay down? They walk where they walk, they
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: eat where they eat, They try to have sex where
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: they try to have sex. Like, you take these things
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: and you go Okay, this is this is ubiquitous. Man.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: This goes from East Texas up to Canada and wherever else.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: And you can use those things like you can use
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: all that stuff to make a good plan and anything
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: you bring with you that's like, well, the deer don't
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: do this, or they're not gonna move on a full moon,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: or they're not gonna do this. That's holding you back.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: And I think we gotta be real careful about that stuff.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, for sure, that's uh, like we see, uh,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: we we went we did some uh we did this
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: series called map Scout Challenge where we um and we
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: started out getting spots from people. They would send us
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: a spot that they would never go see and that
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: they wanted to see, and so we said, we'll go
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: video and show you what's there, you know whatever. So
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: we went to Michigan this past summer and did a
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: video up there, and you know, of course you got
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: you got there. You know, I'm sure there's there's a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: lot of truth to this, but the Michigan people are
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: definitely the types that think that their deer hunting is
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: the hardest in the world, you know, so uh, sorry, Mark,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: if you're listening, Uh, but they do, you know, and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: so like we you know, we we went up there
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: and hung a camera on public land and found like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: some good bucks. We had a buck the first night
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: that like, you know, nice solid eight or whatever, probably
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: hundred thirty plus inch ten point on there at some point,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: like good dear, you know, and literally this is sixty
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: yards off the road. I mean, so it's so close
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: to the road. Like we were so happy because they
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: were like, yes, we're getting rid of some of these
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: stereotypes for Michigan people. But you know, at the same time,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: you know, we're it's all in good fun. But like
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: there were guys that were definitely like, oh, but you
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: could never kill them. You've gotta be thirty ft high,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and this and that, and they're always looking up,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: you know, and these things that people like you said
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: that they get into their minds, you know, and um,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: you know think that oh those deer look up. You know,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: it's like, man, not really, it's something in that habitat
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: or something that allows them to see better into the
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: trees or you know whatever. It's not. Deer don't walk
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: around looking up, you know what I mean, they just don't.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: That's that's not what they do. I mean they there
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: there are places in the country that get more pressure.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Um for sure. But dude, how many times has that
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: deer actually been in close range of a human seen
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: it and had to run off? Um? Probably not like
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: a ton. And does it even associate that with a
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: true danger you know? Or is it just an instinctual
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: thing that a deer does when it sees something move
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: that's an object that doesn't look like a deer, you
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. I've seen deer run away from cows.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: You know, the cow is not gonna harm a dear,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: So you know that, like you're you're nailing it for sure. Man.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: It's it's like we have to kind of have that
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: open mind like we talked about earlier. We're talking about
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: hunting with a partner, Right, You've got to have an
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: open mind and understand that you don't know everything. But
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: there are things that you can know about deer. Like
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: you said, they do they breed in a certain area
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: or a certain way at certain time of year, and um,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: there are biological things that we can think about when
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: it comes to that. Also, U the fact that they
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: there's only so much cold weather a deer can take
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter where it is, but it is relative, right,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean I I skinned out my buck
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: from here at home last year, and it felt like
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: I was skinning a rabbit compared to the other deer
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: I had shot that year, because I shot Illinois bug
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: in the South Dakota buck, you know, and it just
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: has thinner skin. But you know, those those cold temps
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: are relative. So like what's the average temp in your area? Well,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: if it's below average temps that week, you know that
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: deer's gonna be moving more, it's gonna keep eat food
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: more um to keep it warm, you know. And so
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: those are things that you can know, and most of them,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: I would say probably have to do with like the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: biology of a deer. So you know, it's good to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: get to know, like how do dear see? What is
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: their vision? Like, you know, talk to Carl Miller about
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: that one time on our podcast, and you know, how
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: does the dear um? You know, like what what time?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: What's the peak breeding? You know, and and is that
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: you know for a lot of guys, like what is that?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: How does that compare to the peak movement? And these
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: things you know, and so and then it gets finer
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: and finer detailed, like we talked about earlier. But you
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: can always take across the country the fact that do
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: you like to go um in fairly straight lines when
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: they go places, you know, and they're gonna take easy paths,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: um when they can do that, UM, like said, they're
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: gonna they're The cold factor is something you know at
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: the time of year when it comes to you know,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: um breeding and stuff like that. Like you mentioned, so
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: all those things really um are biological things you can
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: kind of carry across the country. Man, it's a white
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: tailed deer, you know. Yeah, well, and I was I
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: want to back up a second when you when you
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: talk about deer looking up. You know, one of the
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: things that I noticed when I started hunting out west,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: they didn't look up like it was. It was amazing.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, these things are stupid, Like I'm ten
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: feet up in a little tree and then you know,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: like where I hunt in northern Wisconsin, they look up
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: a lot. And I think it's just a pressure thing.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: But we have to be really careful. And you know,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: if you say, like, well you can't kill them on
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: a tree, They're gonna see every time like no, you
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: It's not like an infallible thing, like they you can
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: kill these deer. And so I always look at this
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: like I almost expect to get busted over there in Wisconsin.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: If I haven't done a really good job of facing
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: away from where I expect them to come, and if
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't really really done a good job, I'm probably
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: in a little bit of trouble. But I still kill
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: a fair amount of deer that bust me drawn and
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: it's too late for him. And so we kind of
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: use this stuff as an excuse to not do it right,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: like to not get in a tree or you know,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: like if you think, well, I gotta get in thirty
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: feet in a tree otherwise I had to get busted, Like, man,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: I bet there's another answer to that, Like I bet
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: that's not the only way to beat them. And okay,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: so can you sit on the ground and build a
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: natural ground blind and you know, draws, you're coming up
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: on your knees. There's there's ways around this stuff. But
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: the things we believe as like always a never you know,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: we've heard that a lot like that holds us back,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: and you kind of you kind of just shatter those
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: things the more you go spend time out there looking
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: for new opportunities because you go, man, in my head,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I'm gonna kill a
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: big buck this way, and like, like just as an example,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I've I've killed a fair amount of deer
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: from the ground, but the first when I first dedicated
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: myself to I'm like, I'm gonna go kill a public
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: land buck. I'm gonna kill big one. I went out
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: to North Dakota and I was like, I'm gonna get
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: in a tree stand on the river. I'm gonna shoot
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: on when he walks by. And the buck that I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: had most patterned from scouting, I went in there, and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: the trees that I was gonna sit in where like
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: fifteen times too big. There were these giant cotton woods,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: you know, So I was like, oh, shoot, Like what
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: am I gonna do? And I'm like, I'm just gonna
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: sit on the ground behind this tree and shoot him
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: when he walks past. And That's what I did. And
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: I was like this is stupid, Like this is this
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: is not you know. There were times of like moments
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: of like pure panic because I'm like, I know these
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: bucks are gonna come down here and cross and there's
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: no way I can get up there where I would
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: normally do this, So what do you do? And it's like,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, they can't see through trees and he's
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: still going to be twenty yards away. Like just there.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: There are other answers to these problems, but we kind
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: of get it in our head like we have to
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: do this or our deer are always gonna do that,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: or there's no way this is gonna work. And the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: more experience you get out there, the more you realize
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of gray area going on here,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of things we can get away with. Yeah,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: that's and I should have probably been more clear, like
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: we we get picked off a lot in these Texas,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: so you know, as opposed to you know, Kansas or whatever,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: South Dakota. You know, like we get picked off in
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: these Texas a lot. And so I think that's the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: point to make, is that it's it's if it's pressure dependent,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: you know, um, you know kind of how high strung
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: are those deer, you know, how light in the season
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: is it, and those those are kind factors that you
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: have to think about. Um. But like you said, like
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: you gotta be creative and you gotta think of some
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: way to get it around that. You know. It's uh.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Um in Colorado this past week, UM, I kind of
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: worked in over the course of a few days. We
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: were hunting really far back, so it was it was tough.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: It was a tough hunt, and we're hunting this area.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: I started to really narrow down where I needed to be.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: But um, the deer were on this creek system and
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: the trees I wanted. I like killing deer out of
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: trees because I just think, I just think I could
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: see better. I can figure out what they're doing better
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: from a tree because I can see them at two
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: yards doing this and go, oh, I need to move
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: over there. If I was from the ground, I might
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: not even see a deer that that evening or whatever.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: So like I learned from the tree usually and so
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: and I like to kill them because I feel like
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: I can get drawn better from the trees and without
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: getting seen in most cases. And so we were starting
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: to narrow narrow down to like where we actually need
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: to be, which tree we actually need to be in
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: in uh, the closest trail that I thought was so
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: like basically on the south side of me was where
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: I thought the majority of that your movement would be.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: But I did have trails on the north side of me,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: but they were, you know, all within thirty yards. They
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: were close, and I thought the better trails were gonna
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: be on the south side, and they were, but the
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: closest one was forty five yards, and I was like, oh,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I just do not want to take that shot, you know,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: it's just so far. And so but I was prepping
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: myself mentally for like what that looks like. I don't
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: want to shoot a here it's on edge at forty
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: five Like he needs to be calm and smelling, you know,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: smelling something on that trail or whatever. And so I'm
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: just kind of working through all this thing and thinking
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: like how can I how can I make this work better?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: And um, you start to like, really what it came
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: down to is I went in there with this idea
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: that the wind needed to be a certain direction for
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: me to hunt that tree, and really figured out that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: it was kind of the opposite direction that worked best
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: for for the situation, because um, I was able to
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: blow my wind, like I was able to get shots
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: on deer um down wind of me before they got
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: to my wind, whereas I was just thinking I didn't
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: want to blow it on those trails at all. And so,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: you know, long story short, like, sometimes you have to,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: like you said, keep your mind open, think about things
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: that you go in. Try to narrow down into the
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: deer's you know, as a bow hunter, you gotta try
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: to narrow down into you know, the deer's lap pretty much.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: And then you know, once you get to the spot
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: where you think you can counter deer, like how do
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: you how do you like, what can you create that
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: can get you drawn? You know what I mean? How
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: can you get drawn? Because that's the moment of truth.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: It almost always boils down to I mean, if you're
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: if you're hunting, and you're a pretty decent hunter, it
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: really just always almost seems to boil down to like
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: can you get drawn without getting seen? And um, we
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: have to be creative a lot because I have to
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: hang two stands a lot of times, you know, for
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: one for the cameraman as well, and so like we
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: get sometimes we're hunting some pretty small trees and I'm like, Okay,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: where do I put that platform? Like how do I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: what side of the tree? You know, Like how do
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: I keep my broad heads? From from beating right in
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: his face while I'm sitting there hanging on the tree
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, and all these things. So, um,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time doing that. But you're
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: you're right, like when it comes down to uh, getting drawn,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: there's a way. You just have to figure it out,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: you know. And sometimes it's using a big tree from
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: the ground or whatever it might be. And we we
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: did a lot of different things. We hunted from the
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: ground while we're out there and almost killed a deer
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: from the ground. So, you know, being open mind is big,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: big key man. When you when you have another person
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: with you, you really figure out, well, you figure out
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: a couple of things, like you figure out the best
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: way to do stuff because you have to because it's
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: way hard, and you figure out where you're just willing
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: to make some concessions, you know. And I did that,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: you know, filming for this one week in November series. Man,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: I it was a good reminder of why I hadn't
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: filmed for a long time, because it's just it's just tough.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: But it forces you to think, like, Okay, if I'm
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: here for my best shot, where do I put him
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: to not get me busted? Or like it's it takes
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of consideration and you realize, like when let
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: me tell you this story. So, well, my cameraman for
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: that shoot showed up the backpack he had to bring
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: for our hunt. You could have put like a pretty
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: decent sized adult man's body in there. I think I
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: looked at that pack and I was like, is that
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: like your luggage and he's like, no, this is my
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: camera pack. And it was black. So I'm like and
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: so and I was like, man, we're sitting all day
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I brought my sheep hunting pants.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Well they're like puffy, And I said, bro, we're not
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: rifle hunting here, man, We're this is close range stuff,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: and so you just go. I I was positive. I
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: talked to my buddy Eric about this. I was like,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: that pack is gonna get us busted. I don't know
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: how many times, but it's gonna happen. And I don't
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: know if it actually did. And I was confident of it.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: And what what I realized, like, Okay, we had some
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: pretty good setups obviously, but I was probably given the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: deer a little bit too much credit. Like I was
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: probably like, man, this is there you know, because you
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: get so cautious with this stuff and like I would
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: never bring that into a tree, Like if you show
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: that to me, I would be like, you couldn't pay
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: me to hunt with that and so and I have
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: my mind made up like that's gonna cost us And
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it actually ever did. I know
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: having a cameraman with me cost me a couple of opportunities,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: but it was like just run of the mill stuff
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: that happens filming. It wasn't because of that. And it
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: kind of was like I was kind of like, man,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: I got that one wrong, Like I was. I was
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: sure that sucker was gonna cost us and I don't
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: think it it, but you know, it's just it's one
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: of those things like again I brought something to the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: table as far as like maybe given the deer a
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: little bit too much credit, and you know, would that
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: have held me back any other way? I don't know,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: But it's a it's a teachable moment regardless because because
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: you were wrong, I was wrong, that's right. And like
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Casey loves he Casey is really specific, like and this
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: is good. He always tries to think about what he
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: says and what it actually means. Because in the South
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: we have all these sayings and sometimes I think they
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: might be called atoms or something, but like, you know,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: like they had these sayings and um, you know, people
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: have set them for generations and now like people saying
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: without even thinking what does that actually mean? You know,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: and like some there are sayings that like people you
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: know don't really understand that, like you know, this is
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: actually a dirty saying and I'm saying this to my
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: preacher or something, you know, like you know, just you
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: haven't thought about that that's the way it was originally
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: intended or whatever. You know, it's just become this thing
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: that you say in a certain situation. And he's really
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: really specific about you know, saying things correctly and so um.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: Like one of the sayings that you see on social
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: media a lot is um the game of cat and
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: mouse when talking about a deer, and he's like, it's
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: not the way it happens. It's not cat and the
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: deer is you know, or or another one is the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: deer outsmarted me, and Casey would rather you say that
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: the deer is smarter than you, but he didn't out
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: smart you, like you know, so um like but with
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: the cat and mouse thing, he's like, you know, the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: the cat and mouse thing is like the Tom and
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: Jerry idea that like the mouse is is uh, you
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: know actively almost like venge like with vengefulness coming you know,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: coming at the cat or whatever and like staying keeping
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: from getting killed by the cat. Where the deer in
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: most cases doesn't have a who that he's being hunted,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: right like, even even when a deer um is wise
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: to a hunter that is hunting it in in any
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: random moment, he doesn't know that he's being hunted. He's instinctual.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: And so when he smells something or like if he
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: like he's habitual too, so like if he smelled something
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: in a certain area when he came in last time,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: when he goes back to that area later on, he's
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: gonna he may circle down wind or jay hook or
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: whatever they call it, you know, to try to catch
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: that thing. But it's only because it's only it's very instinctual.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you can give the deer too much credit,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: and being the cat and mouse thing drives him crazy
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: because he thinks it's you know, not that you want
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: to discredit the deer. Because we love the deer. We
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: think they're awesome, they're super creatures you know or whatever.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: But um, he's like he's always so specific about that
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: and thinking like the deer is the deer is reactive
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: to its environment. It's not like you know, trying to
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: uh get you know, Tom to stick his you know,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: tail out the mousehole and then smash it with a
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: hammer or whatever. You know. So he always talked about that.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: It's so funny, you know. Yeah I did not. That's
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: not where I thought you were going with that. Uh yeah,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: I mean they're out there. They're out there, very aware
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: that there's potential danger, and they're quick to react to it.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: But it's you know, they're also out there living their
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: life most of the year without us having anything to
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: do with them. You know. Um, Tyler, we are. We
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: have gone on for a long time here, buddy. We
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up. Uh, It's always so much fun
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: to chat with you. Man. Where where can everybody find
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: your stuff out there? Yeah? Man, I appreciate the opportunity
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: big time. And I have a lot of respect for
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: you man. I know you know that because we text
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: a lot, especially in September when I'm struggling early season.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: You're giving me all kinds of information and stuff. I'm
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: like a deer hunting therapist for early September hunters. That's right,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: that's right. And we we love you, man, we really
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: and I and Casey and I both do especially we
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: really appreciate and respect you man, and appreciate the opportunity
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: to come on here and and uh talk for a
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: little bit, man. And it is always fun and um,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: you know, if somebody's interested in checking out more what
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: we do. YouTube is a good place to see all
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: these videos. Um where the Element on on YouTube? It's uh,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: you know, deer hunting, not skateboarding. And then uh there
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: the Element Wild dot com is our website. You can
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: find a lot of stuff, and we're on Instagram, Facebook.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: We don't do TikTok like Tony and I talked about earlier,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: because at some point you can only give so much
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: of yourself to the social media unit universe. And uh,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: you know there there's plenty of cool stuff to see
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: on YouTube of ours. So podcasts you want to check
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: that out? Yeah, the podcast too, it's the Element Podcast.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: We've been doing that since uh actually technically seventeen is
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: when we launched our first episode in January, so coming
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: up on five years now um in January. So I've
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: been doing in a lot of episodes, had you on
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, so if you guys like Tony,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: you can check them out on our podcast too. We
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: pretty much always do more than tactical stuff. We do
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: like some kind of philosophical episodes usually because we uh,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: we have fun and we match up on a lot
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: of things. So definitely been fun man awesome, Thanks buddy.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: That's it for this week, folks, be sure to tune
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: in next week for more white tailed goodness. This has
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: been Where to Hunt and I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: As I always, thank you so much for listening, and
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: if you're looking for more white Tail content, be sure
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: to check out the Meteor dot com slash wired to
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: see a pile of new articles each week by Mark
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: myself and a whole slew of white Tail addicts, or
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: head on over to our Where to Hunt YouTube channel
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: to view the weekly content we put up