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#329 - Iran, Third Temple & Israel | What's Actually Happening? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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So we're going to have a very interactive discussion today. If you are in the
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chat, feel free to drop any comments, drop any questions that you have.
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My name is Brandon Fogle. This is Evolution. And I'm actually here with my wife,
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Jessie. She's going to be in the background. She has a microphone.
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She might be saying stuff as well. We don't got a camera on her today,
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so you won't be able to see that.
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But if she feels like she wants to say something, go ahead and chime in. Hello.
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All right. So we're going to be talking about why are you against Israel?
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And I don't know. I don't know you personally, but in general,
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because I think a lot of the vibe is a lot of people kind of stand against Israel
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in a lot of ways, or at least that's what's being fed if you're on the internet, if you're on YouTube X.
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And I wanted to delineate two different directions we can take this,
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as in, should Christians support the modern nation state of Israel?
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And what does the Bible say about Israel in the last days? So we got to keep
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those in mind, what we're actually talking about, because I think in general,
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Christians, if they're familiar with the Bible, they understand that Israel
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is prevalent throughout it.
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And when we're talking about that, are we talking about the same thing as the
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nation state of Israel that is in current existence today with Benjamin Netanyahu
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and that whole government over there?
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Is it the same thing? Is it different? Or is one like a shell of the other? Yeah.
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And also, we're going to take a look at, I caught this the other day,
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NBC News did a, like a, like a, what do you call it? A conversation,
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an analysis. What is it? Like a commentary? What? A segment?
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A segment. That's a good word for it. A segment about a possible temple being
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built in Israel over the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
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And we're going to take a look at this. in general.
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These are some Zionists, people that are Zionists over there that support that.
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But we're going to give a breakdown of this in discussing this.
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Miracle signs and wonders. Sydney Galbraith is a tourist from Canada.
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She describes herself as a Christian Zionist and a true believer.
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And what do you think should happen to the Muslim sites that are here?
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The Dome of the Rock, the Al-Aqsa Mosque? You know, I think the Lord is going
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to do something so unusual that our minds can't conceive.
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If he were to tell us, we wouldn't understand, but we know that this is his
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land, and we're going to watch him,
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push them out. He's going to totally drive them out because this is the place
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where he has, this is my land. Drive out the Muslims. Yeah. Yeah.
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And you want that to happen?
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Yes. Yeah.
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This is the Lord. This is our place. But those are biblical prophecies.
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What about impractical terms? What about the Muslims who live here?
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So I like how he brings that up, just that those are biblical prophecies.
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What about real everyday thing? Because people there is kind of a disconnect
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between like just in general we see the bible that's just a story account of thousands of years ago,
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what do you think just like just hearing that your overall just first of all
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impression of that when you see that lady,
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and i don't even know like because you don't really have and i i don't want
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to put words in your mouth of just in general like a stance on a lot of these
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things you just you're kind of floating through a lot of these things what do
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What do you think, Jessie?
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I mean, I think I side with what she's saying. Like, doesn't he say he's going
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to be building his temple there eventually?
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I mean... But you're right. I kind of felt cringy for her. Be like,
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yeah, drive him out. It sounded really rude.
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But at the same time, like, it is his land. And it's for the Jews for the new temple, right?
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I mean, when we think, yeah, in the, there being a temple, because in Christianity,
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a lot of it, there is no temple, kind of like we are the temple,
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the church is the temple, we're being built up, an actual physical temple is
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kind of like a relic of the past, it's not even necessarily,
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that's why a lot of people,
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I play a devil's advocate, I do think there will be a physical,
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literal temple, because we do see that the Antichrist will walk into that temple,
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and desecrate it, you know?
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But yeah, so why does she or anybody think that they're going to be wiped?
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The Muslim, they're going to be taken off that site.
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What is Biblia supposed to be happening? Well, I think in general,
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I think it is God's land. It's the city of the king.
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And it's talked about in the Bible. It's the city of the great king.
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The Messiah will go through the gates. You know, he'll set.
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Because we see these prophecies in the Old Testament and almost alluded to in
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the New Testament about the Messiah will build a temple. That's like what the
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end of Ezekiel is even talking about.
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And even that temple itself, I see it as like almost there's going to be a third
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temple, which is going to happen.
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And then the Antichrist will come in and desecrate it. But then there will be
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an actual, a fourth temple, which will be in the millennial kingdom, which Jesus will set up.
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And it will be like crazy big.
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It'll be, and then there will be sacrifices happening.
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But even that, it doesn't sound normal to a regular christian like like what
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do you think when i say sacrifices we think we don't we don't need those and
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it's and i don't think it is a matter of needing but it's just,
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yeah approaching god in this fallen world and it's like those things bring him
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glory it's not those those things are taking away sin or removing sin but it's just like,
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they're glorifying god they're offerings to god the messiah is showing us of
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doing them because his sacrifice is different It's not like animals or anything like that.
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He's like himself. He's the temple. He's the high priest. He's the sacrifice.
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He's the lamb. He's all those things. The embodiment of all those things.
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And just starting it off with this, because this is like throwing at the temple,
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the Al-Aqsa Mosque, because this is where Christianity, Judaism,
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and Islam meet in one place right now.
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All of us regard it as a holy place for different reasons in a lot of ways.
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So the Muslim—okay, why do the Jews like this exact site or just Jerusalem in general?
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Well, I mean, throughout the Bible, Moses was promised the land of Israel.
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He's promised that land.
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And then where he was going to sacrifice Isaac, it's speculated,
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is where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is actually sitting right there.
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And I don't know if— Is that the Dome of the Rock? So that's the difference.
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There is a difference between the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.
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I've never heard that first word you said, the— There are two different places, actually.
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And I wasn't too familiar with it. I always heard about them,
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but you only really ever see the Dome of the Rock.
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The Al-Aqsa Mosque is, it's actually like, it looks completely different.
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It's not a gold dome. It's just different. And there's a different reason.
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I actually searched it the other day of what is the actual difference.
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But her bringing this up, this is an actual Zionist person.
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It sounds like she's Canadian or whatever. A lot of these people,
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is it right to be Zionist? Is it just kind of like, it's just your flavor? It's your preference?
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Or is it, should we as Christians even care about this? Should we care about Israel?
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Because we always talk about, we want to, like, Christians go there to visit
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the sites and everything. Does it have any real significance,
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tangible, like, does it matter in God's eyes, I guess, today, you know?
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I mean, I guess you'd think it'd have to just because the whole Bible is all
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about the promised land. It's all about, you know, it always talks about the
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actual physical land. I mean, surely there's some kind of significance there.
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Yeah, I see. I see it as and I wasn't always and I'm just going to be candid
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on a lot of ways. And in talking about these these things, because I'm not necessarily like.
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I, I was kind of exposed to it early on when I became a Christian.
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I think the first time I even thought about these things was,
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watching Fox News and Glenn Beck, and he was kind of pro-Israel,
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and it made me even, like, thinking about those types of things,
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but it was kind of, it, like, fed into, like, naturally, yeah,
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obviously, we would support Israel as Christians.
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That's God's holy land. Those are his people. And we're going to go through
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a couple of different passages of, of the Bible itself, and.
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This is from Deuteronomy 7-6.
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It says, For you are a people holy to the Lord your God.
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The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples of the face of the earth
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to be his treasured possession.
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So that's talking about Israel who had just been redeemed or rescued out of Egypt.
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Now, we apply it to us as Christians in a lot of ways because the apostle Peter
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takes that exact verse and he's referencing all of Christians, which it is.
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Yeah but there is a sense it feels like that it starts with that i i see it as like,
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the physical chosen people is israel but then there is a kind of like a secret
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mysterious chosen of election of whoever is going to trust in jesus is chosen and the elect from the,
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foundations of the world because he is actually the elect one he's the chosen one,
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but I do there is a sense where like God you can't take that verse and just
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rip it out and just say it like Peter understood who he's talking about who
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God was talking about when he
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said that he was talking about the Jewish people or the people of Israel
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I know these are like conflated terms we say the Jewish Israel you know.
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It's just almost like it so what are the jewish people living in jerusalem where
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this mosque is how do they feel walking by it when it's completely opposed to
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what they their beliefs are right,
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how do they feel about the mosque being on their land is there a constant tension there,
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it sounds like that and even like in this in the video i was watching with the
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nbc the special that they did it did seem like that there is tension like the
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animosity between them and,
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and a lot of people see it as Israel is rising up because they are instigating
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a lot of it, a lot of, because they want a temple.
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They want it to happen because they're not really carrying out all the law that
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God has given them because obviously they're not doing the sacrifices.
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They don't have it built up and you can't just, they've made it into obeying
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and like studying the Torah and studying the law and learning all that has become
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like the replacement for their.
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Sacrificial system. It has like replaced all of that.
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You know what I mean? Okay. So why do you think people don't like Israel?
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There is a war going on, right? With Israel and Iran.
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Well i mean there's a war with the united states yeah united states and iran,
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and a lot of people what okay yeah the united we're in war with iran like we
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wouldn't like i don't even know if it's been like technically declared that because,
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trump has kind of went off in this way of just saying it's an operation because
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he has to go to congress after a certain amount of time to fully declare war okay so like,
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but why do people okay why do people hate israel are they not just defending
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their land don't they want to kick out,
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people are like the nation state of israel why a lot of people dislike them
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is because the for the most part is they are they
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they see them as trying to encroach on all these other nations and take over
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they want to set up regional hegemony that's kind of like a power they want
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to be the power of the middle east who does israel okay.
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Over there they want to be the the and pretty much they are the only one that
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is standing in their way right now is Iran. Pretty much.
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I think Saudi Arabia and those states, those Arabian states over there,
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I think there's seven of them, like Qatar, Kuwait, or in that area,
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like they still have a massive power.
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But like, this is where like, people think that Israel uses the United States
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to destabilize all these other nations like Iraq and Libya, like they we went
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in there and just just completely made it not like,
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civilized or that they're just kind of in chaos right now.
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So they like we destroyed the people in power there.
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But now Israel pretty much has power over all these other nations because they
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have the weapons. They have the ability to exert military force.
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So do you do you think Israel is doing the right thing?
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See, this is I'm not like in the right thing.
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This is where I think we have to draw as Christians. We can support Israel,
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like the blanket name and label of Israel, because as if we're talking about
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the Israel of the Bible, but this, like who, who that is over there, I, I,
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I can't see it as anything other than the actual Israel itself.
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But it doesn't mean like that they're
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carrying out, like they're not doing everything perfect over there.
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They're just doing things the best
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in their interest. And they don't even believe in Jesus as the Messiah.
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So if you really think about it, the people that are over there that are Jews
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and that are the nation state of Israel, they just almost see it as like the
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New Testament hasn't come.
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Like they're living and still go and conquer the land, conquest, take it over.
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You know what i mean if we left it at that you know that like that was the the
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the command that god gave to joshua go and take over the land it's your land
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yeah and the old well i mean they don't have a new testament it's just
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and us even calling the old and new testament that almost becomes a.
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An incorrect terminology because we because in our idea we think well the new
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is better than what's old,
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like we think well the new is here though it's replaced whatever and i don't
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i don't think that it is that it's like the foundation of it is what like,
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their bible and it's just really a continuation of the scriptures i haven't
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thought about like that we call we call it like pretty much as in the new the
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old covenant the new covenant that's when we say new testament old testament
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it's pretty much this the same thing,
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it's just and the new testament is all it is it's a greater fulfillment of the,
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old testament and it's it actually allows the old covenant to be,
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fulfilled in its entirety and in actuality or reality you know what i mean because
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it's like the law the law of the old testament is written on the people's hearts,
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and what was just like hinted at with the the sacrifice of the animals in the
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old testament is actually fulfilled in the one-time sacrifice which is jesus's sacrifice
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that actually removes sins yeah but but like all right diving into this let's
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i want to go a little bit further Yeah.
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And just in the same conversation with this person, because it's also going
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to show another Zionist over there and what they thought about it.
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We will speak up for Zion's sake. It's not the first trip here for Jerry Bowers
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from Texas. You're a pastor. Yeah.
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What is, why did you come here today? Why is it important for you to be in this spot?
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It's important to be in Israel itself in order to support this nation during time of war.
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And because we believe as Christians that this is going to be the eternal gathering
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place for all Christians at the end of time.
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Who do you think should control this spot?
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Do you think it should no longer be controlled by Muslim authorities?
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Do you think this should be controlled, run, dominated by the state of Israel?
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I believe that because there's going to be more freedom here if it's ministrated by the state of Israel.
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Just right there, like the guy, I think he's saying what a lot of people expect
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Zionists to believe that.
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So when we think about just in general, the Jews were in that city in Jerusalem
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and in 70 AD, they got dispersed. Their city got destroyed and they got sent
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out into all parts of the world.
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The Christians continued that for a while. like when Constantine came along,
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and set up the Christianity as a religion, his mother actually went there and
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found a lot about the Christian sites over there.
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But it's like six centuries later when Muhammad, that's when he comes along
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and he sets it up as a holy site as well because he regards a lot of the things
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that the Jews and Christians believe as good and from God. It's,
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takes it in a different direction, says he's the final prophet,
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doesn't necessarily believe everything the Christians believe,
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and he twists a lot of the scriptures that the Christians and Jews believe.
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So now it's like from 700, from like the 7th century on, they're regarding it
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as a holy place as well. I think that's where they believe that,
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Muhammad ascended to heaven. There's different reasons why they have the Al-Aqsa
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Mosque there, the Dome of the Rocks. It's because they regard that as a specific holy place.
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And it's like, I know we think as Christians, nothing's going to change the
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fact that God's going to do what he's going to do when he wants to do it.
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But what do you think, Jesse? I kind of like that lady was saying,
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they're asking her, what do you think about this and that, she goes, I don't even know.
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I just know God's going to do something. Then that's kind of my attitude.
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Like, just sit back. It doesn't matter what I think. Like, God's going to make it happen.
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As long as I'm on his side, then I think we're good to go. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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And I would say, all right, we're going to get into a couple of different verses
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here. This is why do we think God chose Israel?
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Most people who start off with the Genesis 12, 1 through 3, I'm talking to Abraham.
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I will make you into a great nation. I will bless those who bless you,
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and whoever curses you, I will curse and all the peoples of the earth will be blessed through you.
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And all the peoples of the earth were blessed because of Jesus Christ that came through Israel.
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But it, so it's this, God made a specific covenant with this nation,
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with Abraham, and he gave them circumcision and he gave them a way to distinguish
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themselves from all the other nations.
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It was really to preserve the messianic line.
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And, but it did make a distinct people, you know, and like Like them being different
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than all the other nations, I think it, he wanted them to be the oddballs,
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wanted them to stand out.
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And like he made it so it was impossible for people that are of Israel to just
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mix and mingle with the people that he wanted to have that specific line.
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And I just don't think that it's been abolished since Jesus came here.
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Just because he's here doesn't mean that now that that's done away with,
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it's continuing on. But it's just Christianity has come and said,
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like, it's we've overtaken that.
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There's no need for the separation. There's no need for we're all one in Messiah, you know, kind of thing.
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So it starts with this, like if we, if we disconnect just the modern state of
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Israel today, like what they are, like, and I don't think it's any different
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than of seeing them as like the regular Israel that was there in the Bible.
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I don't see it like as different. It's just like, because it's so far removed,
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did they all like the people, the, because even when you get into Israel,
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like there's Sephardic Jews and then there's what's called Ashkenazi Jews.
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Never heard those words. Like a Sephardic is like kind of like people that more
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look like Middle Eastern.
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They're like of that lineage. And they have those characteristics.
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They like they look like that. The Ashkenazi is more of the Jews that are from like the European.
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They're like the more wider, like Ben Shapiro and people like that.
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And so people say, well, that's not the real Jews. That's not the real Israel. Yeah.
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But what do you think about that like just hearing that i know i've always wondered
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like you know like like the holocaust it seemed like,
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you see the pictures like anne frank and her family and stuff it's not the more
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the dark skin arabic look like you would think jesus would have been uh-huh
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okay so tell me that again,
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it's like how they were like just the white skin like more light skin yeah how
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are they but they're both when you say jews the they're both like they're just
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i I would say Jews in general it's because it's not just an ethnicity.
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It can be because you can like literally, literally have been descended from,
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those, the Jewish people like, like from David King David or whatever,
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because he had thousands of children or what I don't even know.
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Or he had a lot of them. So like they, so some people can do their ancestry
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and have like some, like a bloodline in them that they're a percentage Jewish.
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I don't, that is not necessarily when we're talking biblically Jewish,
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Jewish is just a term that just means of, of, I just bit my lip again.
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Ow. I know. I bit my lip this week and it hurt really bad.
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But that you're of Judea. You're of the people of Judea.
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Or of the land of Judea. And then it just became synonymous with Israel,
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just the covenant people of God.
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Because when you think about it, like a thousand years before Christ,
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there was King David and he had his kingdom. And that was when it was in its golden age.
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And then after he died, after Solomon died, the nation got split.
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And then there was the northern tribes and then there was the southern tribes, which was,
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just Judah and Benjamin. And then the northern ones were all the other 10 tribes.
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But the kingdoms were called Israel and Judah. Yeah, the northern was called Israel. Yeah.
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And then the northern tribe, the northern kingdom, went off into exile in like
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700 B.C. or something like that.
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The Assyrians came in and took them out of the land. So they're like being dispersed
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all throughout the world.
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And then, so there's only the Jerusalem or Judah kingdom, you know?
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You know what I'm talking about in Jerusalem, Benjamin and Judah.
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And then like so they're there for until like 586 and then they get taken into
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exile you know and then they come back from the land and then we get to the time of Christ,
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So it's like Israel, like people that are Jewish, they go in and out of the
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land constantly. God sends them out of the land in exile at different times.
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But they always regard Jerusalem and Israel as their homeland.
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They've always done that.
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You know what I mean? Even like my ignorance is coming out, like the Holocaust
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Jews, like the Anne Franks, they think their homeland is in Israel,
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even though they were living in like Austria.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. So like, so they're in the diaspora. So that's what happens.
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Jews that, like, so in 70 AD, after Jesus died, 40 years later,
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they get, Jerusalem gets destroyed, and then Jews are kicked out throughout
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the Roman Empire and all the rest of the world.
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So they're, they, because Rome destroys Jerusalem.
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But then, so it's like, now they're in the diaspora. That's what's happening.
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So it's like, there's always this, like, spiritual as opposed to the natural.
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The natural is the physical descendants of Israel that are like the covenant,
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physical, natural descent, people of God.
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But then the spiritual is like kind of Christians in general.
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Whoever is in Jesus is a part of this spiritual community that's like unseen.
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But like God still has those ties to the physical because he made a covenant with them, you know.
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So it's different how people are regarded as Jewish. It's not just an ethnicity.
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It's that if you undergo circumcision if you like come under the yoke of the
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law like that's that is what it is to be jewish like you could say like rahab
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her she was jewish but she was of the the land of jericho you know and yeah,
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but she became in the messianic line because she or ruth she was a moabite but
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she is it not it's not a religion like you could.
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Anybody goes oh i practice judaism i'm a jew is that's not that's not you can't
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just do that like you can't that's not correct,
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well you can't just do that to like you it's like it's a legal thing it's like
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you have to become jewish today and this is like how it's all fleshed out it's
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because they've for centuries they've put all this together and they have their
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oral law and how they regard it,
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and the rabbis were kind of doing that they they've they have it in a whole
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system like how to become Jewish,
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they do a, like you go to them and you say, I want to become Jewish.
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And then they really try to dissuade you and push you away from doing that.
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But then if you do actually want to become Jewish and you, you go through like,
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there's like a certain amount of steps that you do.
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And then you undergo circumcision. Or if you're a woman, you do,
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I think both, whether you're male or female, you go through a baptism.
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Like there's a whole, there's certain steps that they do, but then you are legally
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Jewish. You're forever legally Jewish.
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If you do that, you could become like, you could turn away from the faith,
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but you are always considered legally Jewish. If you undergo conversion and
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that's what it is, it's not just an ethnicity.
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You know what I mean? And if you have a child after you're Jewish,
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if you're a woman, that child is Jewish.
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And that's how they've determined it. And I think that they have the legal rights
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to make these laws and decisions,
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Hey, just tuned in a few minutes ago. I am an Ashkenazi Jew.
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If I may say, being Jewish is an ethnic group with a hablu type that connects every Jew.
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To be Jewish, your mother has to be Jewish.
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So you're Ashkenazi Jew. So we were just talking about that. That's really neat.
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Because I know a little bit about it. And a lot of times when you see Ashkenazi
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Jew, people just kind of throw that word out there.
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And they can almost meet it as a pejorative in certain senses,
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because they say that they're not real Jewish. But I understand and I believe
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that obviously, yes, that is a person that is really Jewish.
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It's just a certain type, you know? It's just like everyone,
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like we're all humans, but it's like there's different races,
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different colors, different people groups, but we're still all humanity.
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It's like so Jewish people, whether they got pushed into Europe or got pushed
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into Asia or got pushed into Africa, it doesn't necessarily matter because it
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goes beyond even bloodlines,
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like they would that's what they would regard it as you know what I mean.
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So when we get in kind of, so the differences, and I want to keep this at the
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forefront of our minds, is the
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difference. Should Christians support the modern nation state of Israel?
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And what does the Bible say about Israel in the last days? So the biblical Israel
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and the modern nation state of Israel, I don't see them necessarily,
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in my view, as different.
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I see it as, I see the modern nation state of Israel as the real Israel.
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But this gets so complicated because even real jews they there's a lot of them
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that disagree with israel and they they won't they don't want it to be a thing
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at all they because they see it as when the messiah comes he will set up,
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the actual nation state and they that it's almost like a,
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a forgery or it's a a fabrication it's like fake this whatever is over there
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it's kind of it's like these jews got together and,
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they just wanted power and control, and that's what's going on.
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He says, of course, you can convert and join the Jewish tribe.
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You are discouraged to convert because once you do, you are held to strict laws
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and it is very difficult to do so.
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So, were you born Jewish or did you convert to Judaism?
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Because I do see it as that way, and I don't know if you're a Christian,
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if you're a Messianic Jew, or if you are just Jewish and you're waiting on the
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Messiah, I'm a Christian. I believe in that Jesus is the Messiah.
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And if you're born Jewish, you don't have to practice the faith, but.
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You will still be.
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Yeah so it's not necessarily like so there are people that are atheist jews people that are,
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they don't believe in and god at all but they just see like like i almost think
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of it as like kind of richard dawkins he's like he's a he's a practicing christian he like i'm not he,
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what he he termed it some way like not a practicing but like a cultural christian
27:54
because he likes the idea the cult the culture that christianity creates but
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he doesn't believe in god he's actually very opposed to the,
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Jewish or the biblical God.
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But yeah, so in general, I just see, I see that whether we should,
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as Christians, we're obligated to support the nation state of Israel. I don't see that at all.
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It gets kind of, if you really dive into even the New Testament itself that
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Paul, he talks about, we are indebted to,
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the Jewish people because we're sharing with them in spiritual things so that
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we're indebted to them in natural things and physical things.
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So we should, I think, support and as much as we can give to and to Jewish people and take care of them.
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Because I, and I just, the video we just saw the other day or regarding,
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it was kind of this divide within Christianity that is happening with people
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that support Israel, people that don't.
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I forget his name. It's at First Fruits of Zion, but that whoever we were listening
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to, and I've listened to him before,
28:54
but he was talking about the, and Jesus, when he's, he comes again and he's
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talking to the sheep and the goats and they, some said they,
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he, they took care of him. You know, they visited him in prison.
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They took care of his health, his needs or whatever. And he says,
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whenever you did this to my, the, my brothers, you were doing it to me.
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Like, was he talking about Christians in general, people of faith in general,
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or was he specifically referencing the Jewish people.
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It says, I was born Jewish, raised in a modern religious home where the culture
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was emphasized. That's all.
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I'm very interested in Jewish people in general. I do. I love Jewish people.
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I was just talking to my wife, Jessie, just like the other day about this.
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Like, I see it as like Christians.
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It's if you I do see it as like there's a lot of Christians that are in name
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only Christians, that people that are against Jewish people are against Israel
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that like, are you just nominally a Christian?
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Are you like because I do see it as like when Jesus was here,
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he was like saying, if God were your father, you would love me just the same way that.
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He was like there was a difference between who he considered true jews at the
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heart is if they if they embraced him as the messiah they were of his people or they were you know,
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however he phrases that i see that almost in the the gentile version of the
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church like if you are really of jesus's sheep you will love jesus's people
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you will love jesus's people his natural
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brothers that's how i see it and that might be kind of controversial because
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a lot of people especially if you're on the internet a lot of people I just see it as,
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Israel is so polarizing right now people are so up in arms against it in a lot of ways like.
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Even in the United States, like, you can be an American and still not like,
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you know, what your own leaders are doing, too, you know? So it's just like,
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it's going to be the same, really, any country you're in.
30:52
But there has been just this such a big push of Israel because they see Israel
30:57
as committing genocide. That's almost become a talking point.
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So Ashkenazi, like, that is kind of like the more the European descent.
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I'm always asked, what's W-H-M? I'm always asked.
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Yeah, I don't. yeah so i i do i i there's a guy i there's a bunch of guys i've,
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where are where are you from i don't know yeah so like yeah i i there's a bunch
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of like jewish people i follow like on tiktok i just like i've been really drawn
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to that and i just in a backstory about me,
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i i got very oh we're from the kansas city area that's what he's saying that
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means where are you from oh god yeah i'm gonna tell you where you're from too
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it's all good yeah so like i just i i I do see it as, what was I kind of saying
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a second ago? A story about you.
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Oh, my background is kind of like, I became a Christian and then I got into.
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I liked Glenn Beck for a while and I know he was very pro-Israel.
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And I think that was kind of like, kind of pushed me down that path.
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But I still try to be very critical. I don't try to, like, I'm not like blinded.
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You almost have to vary, like, why would I even support the nation state of Israel like now?
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Because a lot of people on the internet are so against them so up in arms against
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it they don't want like want to think about it at all and i i've been like so
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it's made me really even though i look like a regular.
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Oh so you're in the in the uk oh cool that's awesome yeah so nice and you're
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like i guess in your interest in where you're from are you,
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are you in a jewish community or is like or is it are you is it just everyone
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because even like where we're at like i wouldn't like know where a Jewish community is.
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I just know like in, it's very heavily Jewish like in New York and in South Florida.
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But like where we're at, I wouldn't even know one way or the other necessarily. Yeah.
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I just, I just, from my background itself, I, I, I started watching Glenn Beck.
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I got familiar with that.
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And then I kind of went down this path where I started liking,
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I was going to this, I found out it was what's called like Hebrew roots,
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which is kind of like an offshoot of Christianity.
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And I don't agree with a lot of the things that they, they teach,
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but it does get to like kind of the,
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because I think it's a swinging of the pendulum on the opposite way as it makes
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all Gentiles that were all were Jewish or were the true Hebrews.
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Like we're like the, you know what I mean? And that's kind of what that all was.
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And Jesse was just along for the ride with that.
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And she's rolling her eyes right now. What do you think about that, Jesse?
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But that's kind of like, it was a time. Oh, you do. Okay, cool.
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And North London. That's awesome.
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So yeah, like, so, and you're in your, are you experiencing,
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have you noticed like the rise in anti-Semitism?
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Like, do you see that as a thing or because i i do we hear that a lot,
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i i say we as in me because i'm the one that's on the internet all this jesse's
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probably it's i mean whatever i i mean maybe i just see it because you have
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it on around and i that's kind of the thing now it's like very heavily,
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there's the people that are just not even thanking anti-smi that they're just gonna be mad at whoever,
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and it's just they always pin it on someone they always will pin it on the jews
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they're the scapegoat they're the ones that all our problems originate and they're
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from them so that's like the age-old,
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you know line yeah and then christians thought that like germany,
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yeah even like so what happens like the apostles and the the early apostles
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and they they brought in a lot of gentiles into the church and whenever they
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died off it became heavy it's like,
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all gentile and then it became a thing where it's like almost you had to weed
34:36
out all the people that carried along any of these Jewish customs.
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If you want to be a part of the Christian community, you got to eat pork.
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And that was like a thing that like, you can't like they wanted to weed everyone
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out. That was because they saw it as carrying in the laws that have been done
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away with that are abolished.
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And I think that that is a faulty view. I do. I see the law,
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the Torah as abiding. It is, it's still here. It's still active.
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It's still real and still binding on all Jewish people.
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But I do see it as the difference. Like, and I was, I was, Yes,
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it's becoming more regular and more accepted.
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Yeah, I do see it as like kind of.
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The, and I kind of misspoke the other day when I was saying like,
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if Jews don't like keep all the law that they're sinning and like,
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it's very nuanced because it's
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like the law of Moses, it's not every law applies to anyone universally.
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Like not all the laws that apply to men don't apply to women or the apply to
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people that are kings don't apply to peasants.
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Or like there's, it's very nuanced It's easy to do just whitewash it or broad
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brush it and say, and I think the same thing is like, there's certain laws where
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we just say as moral laws, like that, that apply to in general.
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And I think that that's what the apostles did. They took those with the moral
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laws that, um, were carried on and they put those over the, the Gentiles that
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were coming to the church.
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And that's why they gave them the, the certain laws that you, you need to keep these.
36:04
Not everything is binding on you, but like these specific laws,
36:07
but it was, they would continue learning the laws of, because they would go
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to the Sabbath, the synagogue, because that's where like Christians in general
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met. They met at the synagogues. They, that's where Paul was going and.
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Yeah, it's, I just see it as, I want to kind of go through a couple more different verses.
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So recently three community ambulances were set in fire, not much news coverage or police action.
36:30
Wow, that's, yeah, it's, it's, I mean, there's just like the physical that people
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are doing, but then they're like, there is the thing where like,
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I think a lot of it is just Gentiles in general.
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They get upset with Jews because they just, they see it like they,
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all they hear is, well, they're the chosen ones. And it can rub Gentile Christians
36:51
wrong because they think, well, we're not special.
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But and we think oh they just think that they're better than us because god
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chose them you know and i see it as what do you think oh i see it like that kind of like that woman,
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wasn't it that in the bible when she said something about the dogs and the crumbs
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oh yeah i'm just like thank you god i got a crumb thank you for thinking about
37:12
me at all you know oh yeah but like a lot of people would see that and they
37:15
are offended by it but say because jesus because i mean,
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it does seem like jesus had that that mentality he like that he was there for
37:24
the jewish people that was and it wasn't it's kind of like just being adopted,
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like no you're not the the real family but thank god you're adopted and you
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have all the legal rights yeah like
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like it's kind of like we're grafted in and even like gentiles gentiles even
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jews themselves like paul said to them was the adoption like these the covenants
37:45
the messiah all of that is for them it's like we as gentiles that was it's kind
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of like the mystery that was kept that we would be brought into that those same promises,
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and like like they're like,
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to say like i see it as like all jew or gentile we are all adopted into god's
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family because jesus is the only one that is the biological son of god
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like and that's used in biological in like a a way just to kind of understand
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it but just in general jews in general do not see uh being chosen as being special
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the few that do promote that idea are giving the rest of us a bad name that.
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And i i really don't know too many jewish people i there was a girl that i knew
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that was i remember when i was in college is before i met jesse but i i remember
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telling my parents like she,
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there's this girl i met and she she wants to go to israel for some reason she
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wants and i remember my dad saying is she jewish i go i think so i guess i but
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i didn't i didn't know any of that stuff that one girl no it wasn't her it was
38:44
a different girl oh but like.
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But yeah like i and i don't think that they in general just think that the they're better than us or i,
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I think that anybody, I think Gentiles can think there's a, on any part,
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any part of humanity, we all, everybody thinks, well, I'm white,
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I'm better than you, or I'm black, I'm better than you.
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It's like, we all think, we all navigate or gravitate towards our own tribe.
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And we always think we're better than someone else.
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You know what I mean? So I think Jews can do that.
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And I think, I think that was probably even a big struggle for the apostles.
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Like in the, like they could not imagine in their wildest dreams of having to
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go into a Gentile's house and eat with him. And that's why it was so like,
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so hard for the apostle Peter to accept that and why like, like God had to really,
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which is so weird because it does seem like Jesus, when he was here,
39:37
he was keeping it kind of on the down low.
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Now, I don't even know if it's not necessarily like him as the Messiah.
39:43
He foresaw because he didn't really speak of it at all.
39:47
It wasn't until he was resurrected that we first hear him saying, you go to the nations and.
39:53
Spread the gospel and preach the gospel, baptize in the name,
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father son holy spirit but it's like even like it was probably like years later
40:01
that they were actually doing that they were completely focused on jewish people,
40:05
and it was little by little that they were,
40:08
because jesus said you will be in jerusalem samaria and to the uttermost posture
40:11
of the earth they're really focusing and down in that order,
40:15
and they it was like it was kind of like it would have been hard for them to
40:18
accept it because i i come from it from the perspective of,
40:22
like Jews, like the, the apostles who were Jews, it was, they expected it to
40:28
be that if you're going to be a part of this movement, early Christianity,
40:33
you had to become Jewish.
40:35
And that's why even Paul, the apostle, after he had become a Christian,
40:40
he was preaching people have to be Jewish to be a part of this movement.
40:44
It's not, and because he said, like, if I still preach circumcision and he says
40:49
that in the book of galatians and that's a very early on book that means there
40:54
was a time he was preaching circumcision like he was preaching that,
40:57
but god had to reveal it to him that he was going to the gentiles and his gospel
41:02
was that the gentiles remain gentile and that's the beauty of the kingdom of god it's jews.
41:09
Kind of, it's kind of like this radial ecclesiology at the, at the center is,
41:13
is the Jewish people, but then the, the Gentiles are kind of on the outside.
41:19
But it, it sounds weird, but it is kind of like, I don't see it as in God loves
41:22
them more, but it's just in the same way of, uh, responsibility.
41:27
Like God set up, like he had priests and he had Levites priests and then a high
41:32
priest. It's just a matter of, of holiness in regard to like they're held to
41:36
a higher standard, you know?
41:39
But we're all, that's what Paul's emphasis is in the New Testament.
41:43
We're all a part of the same, what is it? What is the word he used?
41:47
It's like commonwealth. We're all a part, like once we're grafted in,
41:50
it's like the barrier has been like brought down and we're all sharing in the same citizenship.
41:55
But it doesn't remove like kind of the distinction. And I think that that is
41:59
where the church has missed it completely. Yeah.
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And we've talked about this a lot and a lot of, and a lot of people don't hear this.
42:06
And it took me a lot to even get to that, to understanding and seeing that because
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it's outside. It's not on church on Sundays or Sunday school.
42:13
This is not talked about, but this is, I see it like it's the only way that
42:18
you can rightly understand what's going on in the new Testament.
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Cause this is the argument that is happening. And this is the struggle.
42:25
Why those false apostles were following Paul from city to city because they
42:30
were still preaching circumcision and they were trying to convert Gentiles to be proselytes.
42:37
And I see the book of Galatians as these Gentile proselytes who are trying to
42:44
push their, oh, just do what we did, become Jewish.
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You undergo circumcision.
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And then the works of the law is this thing that you're it's a cheap grace it's
42:56
like if i become jewish i don't really need to do anything i'm saved,
43:00
and that's like the opposite of what the message is it's like the message is
43:04
you surrender everything to jesus it's not just a one-time thing kind of you know.
43:09
But i'm i know i'm all over the place but uh in saying this but just in general
43:12
if we bring it back to like should christians support israel and support jews,
43:17
is is the nation state of israel is that an ongoing like reality from the bible,
43:24
i would say yes i would say it is yes and i that's my my my personal opinion
43:30
well it just depends on what you meant by support like i don't we give to like just,
43:35
the people the people in need over there it doesn't mean we does it mean we
43:39
support like the government and what they're doing like yeah yeah i don't i
43:43
don't see what do you mean by support,
43:45
when you say i support Israel, you'd think what Israel is doing in wars and whatever.
43:50
I'm not saying I support what they're doing. I'm not backing them, but just like,
43:56
It's like you recognize who they are and you pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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You pray for the people of Israel. That's how I see it as.
44:04
It says, funnily enough, my mother lineage is from the Levites,
44:08
the tribe you are a part of passed down through the father. That's so cool that you know that.
44:13
Are your records kept? Because I've heard that the Levites themselves, is your last name Kohan?
44:19
Because I've heard that. I don't know if that is right or whatever.
44:23
But like but i've heard that the levites are one of them that they've been able
44:28
to keep the ancestry about them but and even like people that that's why it's
44:33
not really a bloodline because like.
44:36
Uh when jesus was on the scene he could like rightly say i'm of the tribe of
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david i'm or i'm of david or i'm of the
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because it was from joseph and mary even though joseph was his dad well that's
44:47
like that is that's not the way i was going like we're going about it i was
44:50
just going to say because like the temple
44:51
was still there they had their genealogical records it hadn't been c,
44:56
i don't know if i have that more to that i don't know.
44:59
So yeah i just see it as like yeah they could back then they could keep track
45:03
of who was actually where you descended from that's like they were very heavily
45:07
into genealogies but them being scattered throughout the world,
45:11
it became like to be jewish you would be born into it you'd probably keep the,
45:15
the laws as best you can and it would be very passed down to them and taught to them and,
45:23
they would do everything said Kohen are the high priest their assistants are
45:26
the Levites oh yeah yeah so the Kohen yeah that's right yeah,
45:31
Because, like, they can trace, like, even today, they know who the high priests
45:34
are. That's why they were able to sacrifice the red half for last summer.
45:39
Like, they, it was, like, real, what were you going to say? No.
45:42
Yeah, so it's, they are, they can really keep track of, they know who they are, like, even now.
45:48
So, which is, like, but, like, we don't know who is exactly from the tribe of
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Dan, Ephraim, and all of the, of Joseph, or whatever.
45:56
Like, those things have, we don't, God knows. But like, I'd say that in the
46:01
same way, like a Gentile can become Jewish.
46:04
It's like, just like what we were saying, like with Ruth and Rahab,
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Rahab, like they were Gentiles, but they were in the line of the Messiah.
46:12
So obviously they would be considered, I would say Jewish.
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If you're a Kohen or Levi, it will be in your Hebrew name. Oh, wow.
46:21
That's neat. That's really cool. Yeah. so i i'm.
46:25
And i i just i know a lot of people are like because we've seen like throughout
46:31
like the last hundred years like they're never in our lifetime has it been like this where people are,
46:36
vehemently viscerally against israel and jewish people like it has not been
46:40
like that i mean what about the holocaust i'm saying the last hundred years
46:43
like since then there was a major,
46:45
change that happened and like when we were growing up this was never even thought
46:49
about it was all about we're all what we're all the same color or that doesn't
46:53
even matter color doesn't matter,
46:56
but jews like throughout history like and i just see it i see it as satanic
47:00
that like any even racism can be satanic but like.
47:05
Satan has a special place in his heart for the jewish people that he wants to
47:09
destroy the jewish people that's how i see it,
47:12
yeah because i mean and i just that that has goes up and down like it it's more
47:16
prevalent at times and then it kind of goes away,
47:18
it's kind of like the the head of the the snake is you smash it and it comes
47:22
back but this is a and normal people speaking about it like today like on the
47:28
internet the who's going to be boosted and who's going to be talked about and
47:32
it's going to gain the airwaves,
47:33
is the people that are hyper israeli critical,
47:37
so they are like.
47:40
That's the more like it does seem like that satan is running the airwaves a
47:44
lot of the times people that are like talking about there's been a definite
47:48
turn that has happened of people against israel in the last just like the last,
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like the last two years especially since october 7th you know what I'm talking
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about is what happened over there and since that time it's it's been everyone like
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and that's where I do feel like is like something is happening something is
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bubbling up something that and I think that Christians as we go along further
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and further it's not that you have to support the nation state of Israel as
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in like the government but like,
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you could be called again that you are you going to stand for Jewish people
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are you going to stand for,
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like and when we say israel like,
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it gets complicated but like that is like what is the the homeland of the jewish
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people it's like the one place on earth that is the jews can go to and that
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they're they're surrounded by other people of their nation or their,
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ethnicity or their whatever whatever you want to call it because it's not really
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just just an israel is a nationality but like yeah,
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that's what that is but then there's the ethnicity then there's a religion it
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gets very like convoluted and confusing at times, but in general, I just think,
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I think I just want to run through a couple of different passages and then we'll kind of wrap it up.
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But here's some passages from the Bible, Romans 11, one through two,
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Paul, the apostle, did God reject his people? And he says, by no means God did
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not reject his people whom he foreknew.
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And that's the difference between the people that are, there's people that are
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of Israel that are not really of Israel, you know, like just like,
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and that's where I do see it as that secret mystery that God,
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that chosenness, like if you're in, if you're in Christ, you are the eternally chosen of God.
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And that's the way you can know you are if you believe in Jesus as the Messiah.
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It says in Romans 11, 28 through 29, they are loved on account of the patriarchs
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for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
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Romans 11, 17 through 24, Paul tells Gentile believers, do not consider yourself
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superior to those other branches.
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Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
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It says, this is one of the clearest New Testament warnings against boasting
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over Israel. So that's what we see a lot of times.
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Gentiles are rising up. It's like Paul foresaw this. He knew this was going to happen.
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And this was probably what was happening even in that early community.
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You know, there's people at each other's necks.
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Gentiles and Jews, but God's glory is manifested in Gentiles and Jews being at peace.
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And I think that that's what people that are up in arms against Israel are kind of missing the point.
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It says, it says there, there are 2 million Israeli Arabs with full citizenship.
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So it does become, so yeah, salvation is found in no one else talking about
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Jesus, but Jesus himself said that salvation is of the Jews. It's of the Jews.
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Romans 11, 25 through 27, a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the
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fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
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And in this way, all Israel will be saved.
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So that one, it's like the partial hardening, the blindness,
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you know, that Paul talks about, like when Moses is red, that veil that goes
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over their eyes, they don't see Jesus. And that, which is crazy.
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That's crazy. I'm going to finish this off in a little bit. And I know this,
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we're talking about serious stuff, but I'm going to try to do something that's,
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if anyone's hung around for this long, I'm going to try to laugh.
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And you're going to understand what I'm talking about at the end,
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because I'm going to explain what I'm talking about.
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Jesse's uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. Okay.
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Zechariah 12, two through three. These are some old Testament passages.
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I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling.
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All the nations of the earth will gather against her. So this is talking about
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all the nations of the earth gathered against Israel.
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On that day, I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.
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Zechariah 12, 10. They will look on me, the one they pierced.
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It's talking about Jesus.
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The final battle, we're going to see, this is in Zechariah 14, 1 through 4.
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I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it.
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Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations. On that day,
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his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. That's when Jesus returns.
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But we do see all the nations are against to Israel, but God stands up and defends
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it. That's, that's his bride, you know?
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And we're kind of like, we are kind of like the, I see it as like Joseph.
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He goes into Egypt and he, he becomes like Egyptian and then his brothers come
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down there, but he, he marries.
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You remember her name? What is her name? Joseph? No, Joseph.
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Who did he marry? What's her name?
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I want to, I want to get, it's like,
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What is her name? I want to get it without having to look it up.
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No, I'm looking it up. No, I'll look it up.
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I wanted her, like, I don't, I forget. It is Joseph's wife.
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I want to get it before I even look at it. I'm trying to, are you finding it?
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I'm just going to look it up.
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Read what he said, though. There are two million. Asenath. Asenath. That's what it was.
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I wanted to get it before, yeah. But so I just see it as like the Gentile part
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of the church is kind of like that jesus is in egypt he's away from his brothers
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but he marries this kind of like.
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Egyptian woman and now and they have children or whatever and like that's kind
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of like the gentile side of the church you know and then then there's the reuniting
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of jesus and the jews you know.
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Which is like it's like these are like so many things in like there's there's
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types and then there's greater fulfillments um mary yeah that yeah that was
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his mom i was her name was Aseneth.
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I was talking about Joseph's who he married in Egypt. And then he had Ephraim
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and right? He had Ephraim and Manasseh through.
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Go back down a little bit and read this. There are 2 million.
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There are 2 million Israeli Arabs with full citizenship so it doesn't become
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complicated when supporting Israel, supporting Mary.
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And he says because they are an apartheid state. So you're talking about yeah,
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Israel, talking about Israel as an apartheid state.
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And what does that even mean itself? Like it's just like,
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I just know, I always think of Rwanda, apartheid, South Africa.
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It's, I mean, there is this major hostility that is happening there.
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So it's like, I like Israel and Jews and Arabs or Jews and Muslims are very
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against each other in a lot of ways, because a lot of times Muslims want to,
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they want to, they want to destroy Jews.
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I mean, if you even read, even through the Quran, it talks about,
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you know, because I see it, I see it as that Muhammad got a lot of his information
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probably from a Jewish person who probably missed, misled him and twisted some
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of the things to, I don't know. Yeah.
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An apartheid state is a government that enforces an institutionalized regime,
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regime of systematic oppression, racial segregation.
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Says there are 52 laws unique to Palestinian and Israel administrative detention.
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So yeah, like, so, oh, is this, maybe this is somebody like,
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so like, yeah, the whole Palestine and Israel thing, you know,
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like there's the, should there be a two-state solution?
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They don't hate Jews. They hate oppression.
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Oh, maybe talking about Muslims. So, so Palestinians, some are Christians,
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some are Muslims, some are like, but there is this major hostility.
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They hate brutal subjugation. Talking about, talking about Palestinians, I'm,
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Which, I mean, I just see it as Israel is this tiny little country and they
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are, that there's all these other nations around them that want to destroy them.
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And if they could, they would. And I think if, if we weren't supporting them
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as the United States, I think that we, they would be hit pretty hard,
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but I think ultimately God will protect them.
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That's how I see it as Palestinians can be kidnapped, detained indefinitely
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with no charges or legal representation, representation.
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Oh, there's probably some messed up things. And I'm not supporting everything
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that the government of Israel does and people that the IDF.
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But in general, I do have a support and stand with Israel. You know, it doesn't.
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We're not going to excuse evil things that happen by people that do evil things.
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There's people that are evil that are Jews. There's people that are evil that are Gentiles.
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So I wanted to read. They're still talking.
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So this is Zechariah 14, 9. The Lord will be king over the whole earth.
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Revelation 19, 11. Jesus returns on white horses, king of kings.
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So those are the main things. This is Joel 3, 1 through 2. I will gather all
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nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat.
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That's a valley in Jerusalem.
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Joel 3, 12 through 17, God judges the nations gathered against his people.
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So, I mean, whether, like, I just think in general, it's a good thing to support
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Israel, stand with Israel. They're not doing everything perfect.
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They're not always doing everything right.
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But I think as Gentiles, it is good to stand with them as much as you can.
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Please give some reference of form of proof.
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Who is doing all the destroying, then do you stand with oppression and the oppressor?
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Because when you say I stand with Israel, it makes it sound like everything
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they're doing. We're like making them the Goliath.
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Because a lot of the nations around them, they feel like they're the Goliath
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and they're the ones you support apartheid or you don't.
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When you say apartheid, we were just looking that up. What did that say again?
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Racial segregation, extreme oppression. Obviously, yeah, no, no.
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Definitely not. Systematic oppression and racial segregation.
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The Amnesty International report now.
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Do you? Yeah, so I, it's called Welcome to Hell. Very closed-minded.
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I don't know what you're saying, closed-minded. I'm closed-minded to some things.
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They're kind of talking to each other. Yeah, so like, yeah.
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But just in general, like, I think we can support Israel. We can be very nuanced.
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Like the biblical, the heart of God Israel. And we're saddened by the things that are going on now.
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Yeah, just like in general, like, there was armies and kings of Israel that
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are evil, that did terrible things.
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And people of Israel, people can do things and terrible things in the name of
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Christ, terrible things in the name of Muhammad, which I, but I in general think
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Muhammad was not good. I would, I would say in general, he is not good to follow
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him. I see him as a false prophet.
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He is not the, he is not just a continuation. He's a person that Satan has used
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to lead a lot of people astray.
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But that does not say that there are not very good Muslims because there are.
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So very, so he's talking to me, thou shall not kill. So, yeah,
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I mean, I, hey, within war, they're, they're in war. They're doing some,
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uh, and stuff that they're defending themselves.
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There's people on both sides. I just see it as like us to say that we're going
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to defend everything Hamas is doing.
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If we could weed out and Hamas and what's the other one, Hezbollah that's in,
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it's like, cause we, cause that's the thing that Iran has made it that they're
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not going to stop fighting against us or unless they, unless Israel stops bombing Lebanon,
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which Israel probably is doing
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bad things when they blow up a whole building to get to one terrorist.
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But it's like, why are we not as United States going in there and saying,
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Lebanon, get all your Hezbollah, like terrorists, get them out of there.
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Or why are we not standing up for the people of Palestine and saying, get all.
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The Hamas leaders that are just holding all you ransom and using you as human
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shields so i think we can do but you know what i mean like why are we not calling that out,
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like there's people there's probably people evil on israel's side and there's
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people evil on palestinian side war is nasty,
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all the way around there's no oh yeah yeah and so it's like so i'm not defending
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evil actions but like a war is itself is bad you know like i i just see like
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people have made it that there is just,
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the the there's a genocide happening over there whereas.
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They want to weed out the terrorism over there.
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It's like, could we, it would be like us, like we live in Missouri in the United States.
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Like, would we feel comfortable that people that just want to kill us and if
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they had bombs, they would drop them on us in a second?
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Like living like a state, the next state over.
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Collective punishment against a caged civilian. Population is not Christian. It's satanic.
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I would come up and, I understand your view, but I am informed on both sides
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of the situation. It's not a war. or it's caged civilian part.
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But like that itself, like why do we not as United States like get them out
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of that cage? Why don't we step in and take and disarm these,
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the people that, you know, that are.
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Using them as human shields. And, and because we just make it seem like,
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because Israel does something, they're trying to take, take out people,
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which they're probably killing people that are innocent as well, which is bad.
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But it's like, we, as the United States, we do bad things. Like it's governments and wars.
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It's, I don't think it like says that Palestinians, people are evil and completely,
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or Israel is evil completely.
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But I do see it as we, we still, as Christians, We should support and stand
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with Israel in general, not necessarily like the modern state of Israel,
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like the, everything that they do is perfect, but from a biblical perspective, that's how I see it.
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So, but what do you think, Jesse? I want to see if there's any other.
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Yeah. They're like, there's so much there. And I love getting into that because
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I do see a lot of people when they talk about this, they talk over each other
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and they just say, you, you, you support people murdering babies.
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It's like, no, obviously not. That's stupid. Why are you even saying that?
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Just making like just making the poison in the well or whatever like any real discussion about it.
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I i i i understand i i do i i i do feel like i have like a like um,
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i'm open to being like whatever is truth you know but i do have pretty strong
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opinions about this like like because i do just see it as people have made it
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seem like israel is completely evil what they're doing because that's the talking points.
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But I do, I'm not going to say that there are people in Israel that aren't doing
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evil things. I'm not meaning that. I'm not at all meaning that.
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So I think we can distinguish between the modern state of Israel, the biblical Israel.
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But if we just get down to that, when we're talking about that,
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I just see it as that I do see them as a kernel of them, of who they are.
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That is the real Israel. I do see that as the real Israel of the Bible.
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Not necessarily, or what we heard the other day, it's kind of like what the
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Messiah will ride in on. They're the donkey that the Messiah will ride in on.
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Not not to say that the that the that messiah that donkey's perfect but it's
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just doing its job it's the vehicle which the messiah will come in on that's
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how i see it uh read a normal norman finkelstein maybe,
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so but you should look into more impartial sources i i do i do try to be i don't
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i'm not just ideologue i'm very like reasonable and like and open to anything i do come up.
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I say what I mean, but I'm always in like, I could be wrong. Open to learning more.
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Yeah, definitely. All right. Do you have anything else, Jessie? I don't think so.
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All right. Well, we got into a bunch of stuff. I think for everyone that's commented,
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thank you for your perspectives, your opinions, what you believe.
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Definitely keep coming. Let us know, drop a comment and hope you all have a
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great rest of your day. We'll see you on the next one.