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Post Convention and MMS · United We Scan

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  United We Scan Podcast Post Karen and Mini Mail Surveyed.
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  Carriers Association. Hey, welcome back everybody.
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  Episode 36, we are post convention.
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  We will be talking some about of our experiences over the past
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  week and then we'll move into some mini mail survey stuff that
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  would be coming up starting Friday.
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  So for the one person who didn't make it to convention, how was
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  your week, Josh? My week was good.
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  Little porn, because even though I had a module list of things I
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  wanted or needed to get accomplished, I think I have one
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  thing frost off and that's only 50%.
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  So you wasted your time a week, OK?
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  Yep. And but I can't imagine how you
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  guys. After Friday, just the waiting
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  in between hearing election results from on Facebook and you
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  guys updating, the anticipation was just getting to me.
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  But luckily this week is a short week I planning when I put in.
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  I plan to not be home until last night.
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  So I took tomorrow off. Also this is, you know this is
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  going to be a certain to be off Monday expecting not coming to
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  home until later last night or today.
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  Work Tuesday, Wednesday, I'm off Thursday.
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  Go work Friday and then I'm off next Saturday for me and my wife
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  to go do something that we planned on doing all.
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  Right. I'm going to move on to our
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  first timer, James. But first, let me tell you about
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  my week. I did not run this year.
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  I was not a delegate. I only made it up by by the end
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  of convention. I was still too down in the
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  alternate list. But I did campaign for Bill.
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  I walked caucus with him. It was it was a good, I don't
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  know if, say, it was a good convention, but every convention
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  is good in its own ways. Elections could have gone a
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  little better, but you know. We're going to put it that way.
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  But go ahead, James, since this was your first convention ever,
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  why don't you give us a quick rundown of your week?
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  So I got up into Grand Rapids on Sunday because I live in
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  Michigan. It was not that far of a drive,
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  but I knew I wanted to be in there to be ready to start
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  things on Monday and got to run into Kristen and Bill when I got
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  there and ran into some fans of the podcast, they're like, I
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  recognize that voice and it's Kristen's voice.
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  They were recognizing the only female on the podcast, of
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  course, but we always welcome more people want to join in with
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  us. We don't.
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  We don't discriminate. But that was quite interesting.
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  I'm not used to people going, I know you, I've listened to you,
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  I've heard you and things like that.
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  It was really an amazing experience.
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  Monday, of course, was the start of all the proceedings and
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  getting signed in and things like that, and you start the
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  whole process through that course.
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  Tuesday was the most fun I had at the convention, which was
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  when Mr. Postmaster Louis Dejoy got on stage and blue smoke ups
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  everybody's backside about his plans to move a bunch of
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  carriers to the PD&C as well as mail volume being down, how he
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  wants to increase package volume for the Postal Service and
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  things like that. And then he opened it up to
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  questions and that was his mistake.
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  The first person asked him a question and I was the 2nd up.
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  And my question to him was, you talk about spreadsheets and
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  things like that. So why don't you explain to me
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  how you're saving money by taking one truck off the road
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  and pulling all these Llv's into these PD and C's, which is going
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  to increase fuel cost and wear and tear on the vehicles.
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  And then how are you going to compensate the carriers who have
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  to do 48 miles an hour from the PD&C to the third of their route
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  when they're on roads that are 25 and 35 miles an hour most of
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  the way back to their normal route?
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  And he couldn't answer that question.
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  He kind of went into a non answer style nonsensical
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  commentary about it. And then more and more, Carriers
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  kept laying into him about how he's not right and how Carrier
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  don't trust management. And eventually it got to the
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  point where he called Carriers lives and stormed off the stage
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  like a child, and then later had to issue basically a written
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  policy. It's not an apology, and it was
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  just a big mess. But it was hilarious to watch
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  our postmaster general storm off the stage like a little child.
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  But then Wednesday it got a little more interesting.
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  And then Thursday we had caucus, and I decided that I wasn't
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  going to let a lot of physicians run unopposed.
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  So I decided to be, I don't know, see or down or whatever.
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  But I decided to step up and run for director of sewer Operations
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  because I believed that that position is the most vital to
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  the union as a whole. And with all the fans we have
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  backing, I figured that helping the Stewart system to help our
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  carriers would be the best question.
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  And so I had to go around all the caucuses great questions by
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  the people who asked them after I got done with my speeches.
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  Of course the hardest caucus you could ever go in front of is
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  your own state, because those people know you the best.
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  And but overall, it was really nice to actually get those
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  questions and answer the questions.
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  And I really didn't have to think of the answers because
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  it's a lot easier to just stand there and tell the truth than it
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  is to try and come up with a lie.
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  And a lot of the questions were the same across all the
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  caucuses. So that means either one or two
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  things. They either all had the same
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  questions or they were trying to see if I'd give a different
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  answer in each caucus. So I'd rather just tell the
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  truth than try and be asked my way through it.
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  So overall that was nice. And then Friday, Thursday,
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  during the day, we were going through all the resolutions that
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  come through the state and Friday the same as well as
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  voting. And I was impressed to receive
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  124 votes out of almost. It was 1152 total votes
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  possible. So that means when I was up
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  there and I was making my speeches to everybody, I
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  convinced 123 people to vote for me because 124th what was my
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  own. But that still means that even
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  though I lost this election, a lot of a lot of people did
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  believe in what I was saying, what I was, what my mission was
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  and my passion was. So I really want to thank every
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  single one of those people thanked me for stepping up to do
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  that. So I really wanted to put that
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  out there that they mean a lot. Also to give credit to Bill and
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  Kristen here on the podcast for helping me learn all this stuff
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  that I had to do, being it was my first time and I've ever done
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  it and you know all the other people that had supported me
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  through this whole process. So it was really nice to go
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  through. And then after the events on
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  Friday, I left Grand Rapids and came back home so I could go to
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  the Dream Cruise on a Saturday and meet Jay Leno.
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  That was really nice. So other than that, that was my
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  week. Now Monday I go back to my
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  route. All right, Bill, it's all yours.
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  Get ready, Chris. Another interesting convention,
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  you know. And James forgot to thank Google
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  for knowing how to tie a tie. He looks spiffy in his outfit,
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  you know, very nicely presented himself.
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  And hats off to James for walking caucus night on his own
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  first time. And I wasn't there.
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  But I can tell you he answered every question as best as he
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  could. Intelligently, politely,
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  respectfully. And I'm so proud of you for
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  stepping up on such short notice and do a wonderful job.
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  I got a. What was her dawn?
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  Was her name Kristen, the one that helped us with the Rice
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  Krispie bars and all? Yeah.
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  And I, you know, I, I, I can't believe the the support that
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  Kristin just draws upon to help us do all we had to do for
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  caucus night, Manning the booze, you know, spreading the word.
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  I felt like a like a rock star because people recognized us.
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  So it's so easily by our voices, you know?
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  I'm now known as the bill. You're the bill.
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  Yes I am. And I, you know just I'd love
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  the support we got. I'm.
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  I'm sorry it didn't translate into enough votes to win.
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  But hey you know made a good showing and you know several
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  people said you know go for vice president or committee.
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  Well, vice President, I didn't want to because Candace was
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  running and executive committee person.
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  It's just not my Forte. You know I I'm an alpha I I need
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  to be out front leading and I have to believe in the leaders
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  above me that to be you know executive committee person too.
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  So you know I made the decision not to enter those races and we
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  had a a good time working our asses off doing resolutions till
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  11:00 at night. You know people, you know, it's
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  a big party. We didn't let our hair down,
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  figuratively for me, until after caucus night was over.
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  Then the rest was in the hands of the delegates.
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  So I want to thank everybody that that voted for us, you
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  know, wished us well and you know, next year's the New Year
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  and maybe we can finally get some change into effect after
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  another two more mini mail surveys and MOU's and everything
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  else that they're going to be throwing at us.
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  Yeah. Plus, we're going into contract
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  negotiations. Yeah, that'll be interesting.
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  But no, I'm going to give a quick rundown of the election
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  votes, just so everybody's aware I have it here.
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  I did, I had, I had actually had a new experience.
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  This was my fourth national. Like I said, pre show.
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  I unfortunately did not get upgraded to a delegate this time
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  around. Again, let's hope I can garnish
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  more votes next year to be a delegate.
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  However, I I had the the honor of going in and observing the
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  ballot counting for the President election.
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  That is a side of convention I have never seen before as I have
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  not been involved in teller committees or anything like that
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  in the past. I did get to go observe.
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  Basically what that means is you sit in a chair, you keep your
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  mouth shut and you just sit and watch.
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  That's all you can do. And but like I said, that was a
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  totally different side of convention that I have never
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  seen before. I did get to experience that it
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  is really hard to come back out and go back to your seat.
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  With a straight face, I am not a poker player, that is for sure.
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  So a quick rundowns for those of you who may not have seen it on
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  social media if you're not involved.
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  President Election 11150 ballots for casted.
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  Yeah, to have a minimum of 576 to take the win.
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  President of 894 votes to go to Don Mastin.
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  Bill to get 251. There were five spoiled ballots.
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  What a or spoiled or illegal ballot means either it's blank.
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  They wrote an incorrect name on there.
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  More than one name. Anything like that.
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  That is not a legal vote. You can't read it.
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  Yeah, if you can't read it. You know you you make smiley
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  faces on there you write on it other outside of yeah that's or
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  nothing at all. Vice president was 11152 ballots
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  with they had to have 577 to win.
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  There were three illegal ballots for the Vice President position.
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  865 votes went to Patrick Pitts and 284 Decandice Priest.
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  Secretary, Treasurer and Department of Labor operations
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  went unopposed, so they were unanimously in at the gavel at
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  the podium there. Stewart operations 11152 were
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  casted. He needed a 577 to win.
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  There were four illegal ballots. 1024 for Shirley Baffa and 124
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  for James are very young. Executive committee man, because
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  you do get a few extra ones in there.
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  Those tend to take a couple votes.
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  The first round was 11150 votes casted.
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  You needed 576 to win. There were two illegals at that
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  point. It went back up because the most
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  votes were garnered were 381. And so that was Nick Kirby.
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  Ricketts had the 381, Nikki Phillips 380M, Marola 141, Todd
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  Floyd 178, and Candace Priest 68.
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  Candace and Mike then dropped out for the next round and then
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  for the 2nd rounds again. It was 1152.
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  You needed 577. We had Kirby with 556, Nikki
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  with 453 and Todd with 141 at that point Todd with Drew.
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  So it was down to Kirby and Nikki 11521 Illegal ballot 577
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  needed to win. Kirby was 697, Nikki with 454
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  and because Patrick Pitts had a one year unexpired term.
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  When he accepted the one the presidential election he then
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  resigned. So that opened up a one year
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  executive committeeman position, unexpired term.
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  Nikki Phillips, Mike Marola, Todd Floyd and Monty Hartshorn
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  names then went in. So for the first round we had
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  eleven 52577 needed for illegal ballots.
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  Nikki had 562. Mike had 229.
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  Money 78 and tied tied Todd excuse me, 279 excuse me.
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  Money had 78. OK And so then we went to a
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  second vote. 1150 were casted. There was absolutely no illegal
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  ballots in this one needed 576 to win.
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  Nikki had 730. Mike had 169 and Todd had 251.
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  So Nikki went back to the. Nikki was elected to that one
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  year unexpired term. So our brand new person on the
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  board for this year was Mr. Kirby Ricketts as a four year
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  Executive Committeeman. So that's your election, just to
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  correct. You.
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  It was Patrick's pitch was for vice president, not president.
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  Yeah, I thought I said Vice president at the beginning.
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  Oh, you said presidential position.
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  Yeah, OK. Excuse me, Patrick Pitts, Vice
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  President. When he was elected Vice
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  President, he had the one year unexpired executive committee
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  position, which then went up for election.
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  I stand corrected. I'm sorry.
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  Supposed to be We don't want to get any more fan mail.
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  And as we say, we correct our mistakes.
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  Yes. So as it stands, for our 2023
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  Executive National Board, this year we have Don Mastin as
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  President. Vice President Patrick Pitts,
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  Secretary Treasurer, Tommy Turner, Director of Labor
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  Relations is Bridget Boziak, Director of Stewart operation.
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  Shirley Baffa, our Executive Committeeman, our new one is
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  Kirby Ricketts and Nikki Phillips stepped one for the one
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  year unexpired term. And then of course we still have
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  Jeanette Dwyer and John Adams that are still serving their.
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  On expired terms because executive committeemen are four
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  year terms revolving. So we will have an election next
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  year 2X was it? No.
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  Yeah, just the one for the one year on expired term that Nikki
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  Phillips is filling this year. All right.
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  Any other National Convention speak you guys want to talk
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  about? We had some good resolutions go
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  through. I do know everything.
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  About the anything doing with our CAS, they voted in as a
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  grouping, though some of them I probably would have objected to
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  if I could have, but they were again non binding.
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  Resolutions are pretty much a wish list.
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  Their advisory and nature of what we would like to see in
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  contract negotiations. Yeah, I will.
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  I will say this about the people that were there.
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  There are a lot of very, very passionate people that were
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  there and they stood up to the mic.
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  They spoke their mind and made sure that when we were voting
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  about resolutions that were objected to, they had their
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  chance to speak. A lot of times they would
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  actually extend the time because you only get a specific amount
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  of time to speak about each resolution.
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  Until somebody asks for an extension of that time, and I
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  believe the longest time we talked about a resolution was
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  actually 12 minutes. I wasn't keeping that track of
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  time, so they they. Agree.
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  We spent at least 20 minutes on the golf resolution.
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  Oh yeah. And then it came back up under
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  new business or unfinished business.
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  Excuse me, it was table to. Unfinished business.
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  Yeah, we were discussing that. A lot of people think that the
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  NRLCA actually pays for the golf tournament, and they don't.
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  But they wanted to put a resolution forward that the
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  person running the golf tournament would at least have
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  their incidentals covered, like their room for the days
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  preceding the golf convention. So they could come in, set it up
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  and all that stuff. But a lot of the golfers
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  actually said if you want to do that, we'll pay more to go to
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  the golf tournament. So they could in turn cover it
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  if they wanted to with just the fees that they charge for you to
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  actually attend the golf tournament.
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  Yep. For those that I mean, like I
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  said, we've seen it all over the social webs.
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  The golf tournament is technically not part of the
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  convention. It is separate.
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  It's just a way. That everybody comes together to
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  hang out, play some golf before convention actually starts, and
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  it's your own choosing on whether or not you want to do it
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  or not. And it's one note.
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  I don't want anybody just barraging our new president who
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  said he had nothing to do with the golf tournament and then
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  came back 3 minutes later say, well, OK, I do sign the
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  contract. Yes, they have to, but they have
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  to do that for legal reasons because the golf tournament does
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  use the NRLCA logo and in order to be able to use the logo you
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  have to have the permission of the national board.
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  Yes. So I don't want anybody
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  disparaging him, OK? And on top of that.
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  He's our president now. To support him, yes, we need.
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  We need, we need our entire union to be unified as we go
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  into contract negotiations. That's the most important thing
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  we're going into right now. That's the thing we need to
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  focus on. We need to make sure that the
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  people that we voted into these positions have our best
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  interests in mind and we need to watch.
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  We need to ensure that they are doing the things that they
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  promised us to do when they went through caucus and make sure
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  that they do the things they promised to do when they took
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  the position. That is what we need to do right
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  now. We need to be supportive of them
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  and we need to make sure that we get the best damn contract we
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  ever can get, especially after everybody else has gotten them.
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  Because if they don't give us the best damn contract we could
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  possibly get, we're going to lose a lot of people to UPSUAW
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  and the other unions. So we need to we need to come
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  together and make a concerted effort to support the royal
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  craft. Well, can I say something about
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  Facebook after the convention? That may or may not be to your
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  liking. Go for it.
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  That's here, and we'll decide. Well, let's see.
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  I stopped at like 681, but a lot of people say, oh great, now I
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  can quit the union with a clear process.
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  And that's the worst thing you can do.
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  You know, that's the worst thing you can do.
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  You're taking away your voice. You're taking away your voice.
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  You're taking away your vote. That is, that is the biggest
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  problem in this union overall. The biggest problem in this
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  union is people not using the voice they have available to
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  them. The the number of delegates that
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  got voted into this office with less than 10% of delegate
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  ballots returned is the problem. We need participation.
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  We need people voting. We need people actively engaged.
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  Yes, you may not be able to go to National Convention.
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  You may not be able to afford to go.
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  I'm on table too. I I could barely afford to go.
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  If it wasn't for people helping me go to go to National
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  Convention, I probably wouldn't have been able to afford to go.
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  But and then we have an. RCA, yeah, we have an RCA right
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  here who wasn't elected a delegate is not going to get the
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  partial compensation that the union gives for going to this
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  event. Went to this event on her own
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  dime to participate. And I know there's offices that
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  don't have enough help for that. But the thing about it is, is we
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  do have Article 24 in our in our contract that says that
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  management must make every effort to cover your route for
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  union business. The convention is one of those
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  things that Article 24 applies to.
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  And the way it has to happen is they have to find coverage for
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  you, whether it be an RCA in your office, an RCA in another
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  office, or even the postmaster themselves running your route.
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  And I understand what the mini mail with the rec system that
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  having a postmaster run a route is not the smartest thing in the
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  world to do, but that's another option that could cover your
• 25:49
  route to go to these events. You can't just mail it in haha.
• 25:55
  Sorry, but you have to not just sit there and go.
• 26:02
  The union's not working for me. Well, you are the union.
• 26:06
  You get the ballot in the mail. You need to vote for that person
• 26:11
  that you feel will vote your way.
• 26:13
  You know, you get arguments all the time on Facebook about
• 26:16
  retirees going to these events. And I met with quite a few
• 26:20
  retirees who actually are behind our current carriers on the
• 26:25
  road. They're actually up there going
• 26:28
  through these resolutions and figuring out which ones will and
• 26:31
  will not work. They're actually creating rooms
• 26:35
  where they actually get carriers together, retired, non retired
• 26:39
  carriers together and they discuss these resolutions and
• 26:42
  they actually pick out which ones they want to object to and
• 26:45
  things like that. It is hard work there.
• 26:49
  There were, I believe it was, was it Wild Bill puts on one in
• 26:53
  his room and they don't stop until all the resolutions have
• 26:56
  gone through. They get through them all.
• 27:00
  Yep, Yeah. Well, we we sat down what, 2-3
• 27:03
  nights ourselves and going through the resolutions going
• 27:08
  no, I yeah, yeah, we like this one.
• 27:11
  No, no, or this, you know, question mark.
• 27:14
  We'll let it hash out on the floor.
• 27:16
  I mean, we we didn't even get through all of them.
• 27:20
  The three nights that we sat down and did those together, it
• 27:23
  really is. A lot of work.
• 27:26
  And if people just don't see that because yeah, I get it.
• 27:30
  You see the pictures of the banquet, you see the pictures
• 27:32
  from the golf tournament, you see the pictures at break time
• 27:36
  when everybody's socializing. And and after you've been on
• 27:40
  that convention floor for 8/10/12 hours sometimes or
• 27:44
  longer depending on a Friday night and what's going on it,
• 27:49
  you know, you have to decompress.
• 27:51
  I mean like I said. Night after caucus.
• 27:55
  You know once we got through caucus it's like okay now.
• 27:59
  Now we can relax. You know that it just it is a
• 28:03
  lot of work. It is a mental, mental overload
• 28:07
  and especially like I said with James coming in as a first timer
• 28:09
  and not really knowing how it you know what to expect fully
• 28:14
  and then diving right in and self nominating and.
• 28:18
  And going through the really hard parts completely on his
• 28:22
  own, I do applaud him for that. I was in a similar situation
• 28:27
  last year. Fortunately, you know, Bill
• 28:29
  nominated me and I did get a member of my state to walk with
• 28:33
  me. So I wasn't completely on my
• 28:35
  own. But still, you know, I basically
• 28:37
  threw myself I threw myself to the wolves last year.
• 28:40
  I I do. I want to thank everybody that I
• 28:43
  talked to this week that. I did have a booth to start
• 28:47
  with, but after, you know, my decisions to not run this year
• 28:51
  was basically wholly on family. It's like I told everybody, you
• 28:56
  know, my daughter's entering her senior year, I got to get her
• 28:58
  through school and everybody understood that, you know, my
• 29:03
  family comes first, I said. I walked off the floor while the
• 29:06
  Pmg's talking to go take a phone call from my son.
• 29:11
  So yeah, you know, my family comes first to me, first and
• 29:14
  foremost. So I took this year off of
• 29:15
  running. I had many.
• 29:17
  I did not keep track, but I know I had many, some from every
• 29:22
  region. The people that I talked to that
• 29:24
  asked me if I was going to be coming back next year and
• 29:26
  running and that I don't want to.
• 29:31
  And if you guys are listening, I want to thank you.
• 29:33
  That meant the world to me. As of right now, more than
• 29:37
  likely I may. What position, I don't know yet.
• 29:40
  I still have time to think about that.
• 29:42
  It is still depends on where I'm at sitting family wise when
• 29:46
  convention comes around next year on what I'm 100% going to
• 29:49
  do, I'll be at convention regardless if I'm a delegate or
• 29:51
  not. So I'll see you all there.
• 29:53
  It's definitely a week of work. One of the other things I saw or
• 29:59
  one of the Facebook posts is someone like yeah, I saw they
• 30:02
  posted pictures. Of the tournament, the banquet,
• 30:07
  the this, the that and the seminars.
• 30:10
  And if some of them seminars, you can count on one hand how
• 30:13
  many people were in there. I'm like you got to keep in mind
• 30:17
  so many seminars. For example, is the State
• 30:20
  Editors Seminar the? I'm sorry.
• 30:25
  Josh, were you there? Were you there this year, Josh?
• 30:33
  I went there, but I've been. I was keeping up as best they
• 30:36
  could and I did look through the program.
• 30:39
  I'm just saying what what there was for seminars, it was all
• 30:46
  optional extras like TST retirement legislation.
• 30:53
  And they may be optional, but they're useful.
• 30:56
  They're they're useful. And the thing about it is, is
• 30:58
  they schedule them all at the same time.
• 31:00
  So like this year you could go to the retirement seminar, next
• 31:04
  year you go to the TSP seminar, you know, that's the hard part.
• 31:08
  And then you also have your state chaplains, you have your
• 31:11
  legislative, you have your state presidents and things like that
• 31:15
  all going on at the same time too.
• 31:18
  So it it's very difficult to juggle what you want to attend
• 31:21
  at these conventions because they're trying to cram so much
• 31:25
  into a single week and a lot of the information they give out.
• 31:28
  It would take actually two weeks to do and especially the
• 31:32
  resolution if they if we only worked postal hours on the
• 31:36
  resolutions, we'd be there a week just doing that.
• 31:40
  Yeah, we'd still be there. Yeah, we'd still be there this
• 31:43
  coming week. And if they yeah, and if they
• 31:46
  allowed amendments to resolutions, we'd still be
• 31:49
  there. The only thing you can add, you
• 31:51
  can amend is constitutional amendments or or if the maker,
• 31:58
  or if the maker of the resolution finds a scribner's
• 32:02
  error on what the Constitution Committee put up there.
• 32:06
  Yeah, that Scribner's error is completely Yeah, go ahead.
• 32:10
  I have a yellow card at at microphone 6, yellow card at
• 32:13
  microphone six. Can I?
• 32:17
  I have a point of personal privilege, please.
• 32:20
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 32:20
  Those two, yeah. I'm sorry, May Delegate
• 32:23
  Pennsylvania. No, it's like me.
• 32:29
  I'm James from Texas. Missouri.
• 32:31
  Louisiana, Florida. Yeah, at least according
• 32:35
  according to Ronnie. I was from all those different
• 32:37
  states. Apparently I mastered the mutual
• 32:39
  transfer and all these different states the first year.
• 32:42
  After after a certain point, he just goes Brennan running,
• 32:46
  running. It was also Brennan in.
• 32:49
  It was also Brennan in Don't Forget.
• 32:51
  That Brendan? Yeah, I forgot the Brendan in.
• 32:53
  Yeah, I forgot that one. But this, this I folks, I had
• 32:58
  planned to be my last run at the presidential seat and my wife
• 33:05
  said if, you know, if I'm going to get involved next year, then
• 33:09
  I got to do all the area conferences and then she'll be
• 33:12
  with me in Reno to give it one more try.
• 33:15
  Because God, I hate quitting and I hate seeing what's happened to
• 33:19
  our craft. So I'll be running for president
• 33:22
  again next year, and the craft means that much to you.
• 33:28
  It does. I mean, I, you know, I could
• 33:30
  have left two years ago no problem.
• 33:32
  And and I I took one more year to take a run at it and that my
• 33:35
  wife's you know, saying, you know you can't quit now then
• 33:40
  folks, I can't quit. It's not in me.
• 33:43
  And on top of that, you can't say no to your wife.
• 33:47
  Oh, I did once, but you know, the black eye went down after
• 33:50
  three days. I, I, I I had it in my head all
• 34:00
  night and half through the day that, you know, I'm going to
• 34:03
  miss Bill next year. Bill, thank you.
• 34:08
  Yeah, thanks. Bill.
• 34:09
  You know, this this whole week, if it wasn't for you would have
• 34:12
  been a lot harder for me overall.
• 34:14
  You and Chris and both together working nonstop to help me even
• 34:19
  though you had your own campaign to run and Kristen was your
• 34:22
  campaign manager. You know, you guys, you guys
• 34:25
  were a great source of information and a shoulder to
• 34:28
  lean on when I needed it. And I really do appreciate that
• 34:31
  from both of you. I really do.
• 34:33
  And I know I mentioned it in my in my concession speech, but I
• 34:37
  wanted to put it out there on the air that Kristen and Bill
• 34:41
  did a lot for me behind the scenes that a lot of people
• 34:44
  didn't see when I was doing a lot of stuff, supposedly by
• 34:48
  myself. I still had a support network
• 34:50
  there behind me, as well as the fans that kept coming up and and
• 34:54
  talking with me and asking how I'm doing and how's it going and
• 34:57
  things like that. I really do.
• 34:59
  I want to give everybody my heart felt thanks for that, you
• 35:02
  know, considering it was so much information overload for me in
• 35:07
  that and people just kept me grounded, kept me down to earth
• 35:11
  and dealing with this whole situation and I just really want
• 35:14
  to give them my thanks. And that's what we do.
• 35:18
  We we support each other. We support our craft and we
• 35:22
  support the podcast and we support everybody who needs
• 35:26
  help, no matter what. This is what we're here for.
• 35:29
  This is what we do this on Sunday nights, on our own time,
• 35:33
  our own expense. No compensation because we care
• 35:37
  enough about everybody else besides ourselves.
• 35:43
  Exactly. And as as a correction, Bill, it
• 35:46
  was Linda that helped us at the end with the Rice Krispie treats
• 35:50
  and I want to give out a shout out to Ellie.
• 35:54
  She's from my state. She made some key chains for us
• 35:58
  throughout the week for the podcast, which every time we put
• 36:01
  them on the table, they were gone within 510 minutes.
• 36:04
  I do have some extras left. I'll post them up on the
• 36:08
  Facebook page and possibly the group if anybody wants them out
• 36:14
  to count and see how many I got them.
• 36:15
  I'm just going to ask $5 to cover shipping for them and I'll
• 36:19
  be happy to ship one out. If you want a keychain, I'm
• 36:22
  going to try and set her up. I haven't decided if I'm going
• 36:25
  to do a Spotify or an Etsy Weather.
• 36:28
  She also made me a Tumblr. These tumblers are super cool.
• 36:32
  I'll get a picture up when I can later.
• 36:35
  They actually have a Bluetooth speaker that you can screw into
• 36:38
  the bottom of the Tumblr. Perfect for work if you want to
• 36:41
  listen to stuff out on the route if you're in an LLV or whatever.
• 36:45
  I it's a little heavy so I unscrewed the the speaker and
• 36:49
  just carried the Tumblr with me. I keep ice cold all day long.
• 36:54
  I was complaining because my ice wasn't melting so I had to keep
• 36:56
  going out and refilling my water.
• 36:59
  I will post that she is willing to do stuff for us, merch for
• 37:03
  us, for the podcast pretty much on an on order basis.
• 37:08
  But I want to give a shout out to her and say thank you very
• 37:11
  much. And again, to all the fans that
• 37:13
  were able to take the time we had a lot of them, they're like
• 37:16
  is it OK? I mean, it sounds kind of
• 37:17
  fangirl to take a picture with ya.
• 37:19
  We had a lot of that and like I said Bill and I walking out of
• 37:23
  the hotel Sunday evening to go out and have a smoke and we get
• 37:27
  stopped at the door. Bill I I know that voice is that
• 37:31
  the bill and we you know or I I I know your voice we we did like
• 37:36
  say James was a little taken back at first you know it but we
• 37:39
  did we had a lot of people that stop and talk to us and show
• 37:42
  their appreciation for what we do here.
• 37:45
  And again, we want to thank you and let you know that we all.
• 37:49
  We all appreciate every single one of you as well.
• 37:53
  Yeah, So, so taken aback by this is the fact of how how much
• 37:59
  negativity has surrounded the podcast that I've seen.
• 38:02
  And I probably just see the negativity because that's what I
• 38:04
  look for, but that I didn't expect so many fans to be at
• 38:10
  National Convention. And that's a testament not only
• 38:13
  to the message that we put out, but it's also a testament to the
• 38:19
  people that listened and voted for delegates that would
• 38:22
  actually step up and come to convention and do the right
• 38:26
  thing when they came to convention.
• 38:28
  You know, and sitting there and listening to all the people and
• 38:31
  things like that about their concerns and stuff like that.
• 38:34
  Especially after I decided to run for office.
• 38:38
  It was some of it was heart wrenching, some of it was
• 38:42
  disheartening and a lot of things.
• 38:44
  I talked with an ADR who's working over 100 hours a week
• 38:49
  for their carriers and they're part time.
• 38:52
  They're a part time ADR working over 100 hours a week for the
• 38:55
  craft. Those people are the ones that
• 38:58
  deserve our applause. Those are the people that
• 39:00
  deserve our appreciation the most, the ones that go out and
• 39:03
  fight for this craft day in and day out.
• 39:07
  I said it in my speech when I was running for Director Stewart
• 39:10
  Operations. But the Stewart system is the
• 39:12
  backbone of this union. They're the the first face that
• 39:16
  carriers see of the union. They're the ones that protect
• 39:20
  the carriers from this union and the stewards that are out there
• 39:24
  that are stepping up. I applaud every single one of
• 39:27
  you. You guys do a bang up job for
• 39:31
  very little recognition and I want to give you the recognition
• 39:34
  here on this podcast. And on a side note, Kristen, you
• 39:38
  missed yourself a shameless plug when you were talking about that
• 39:41
  Bluetooth speaker on that cup. You could have said and you can
• 39:43
  listen to the United We Scan podcast on your.
• 39:46
  Bluetooth speaker, you could have done that.
• 39:50
  Well, like I did well. Like I did in my concession
• 39:52
  speech. Like I did in the concession
• 39:54
  speech. Yeah, I'm gonna suggest when the
• 40:00
  transcripts come out, that you all.
• 40:04
  If you'd already don't have the mail in to get the hard copy
• 40:08
  that you go to the website and download the transcripts, I
• 40:14
  think I might get a hard copy this year.
• 40:16
  You know, James, your concession speech, I I really wanted to
• 40:23
  jump up and applaud at the end. But I had some self restraint,
• 40:28
  very much self restraint. And I just kind of put my head
• 40:31
  down and shook it, going, oh God.
• 40:36
  I thanked everybody that helped me through this whole process,
• 40:39
  especially especially the ones that helped me do a lot more
• 40:44
  research, not just only on our union, but across the board on
• 40:48
  other items. So I had to thank them for that
• 40:51
  because they're the ones who helped me expand my knowledge.
• 40:56
  So I had to thank them. And that's the most important
• 40:58
  thing is when when you are conceding.
• 41:01
  You have to thank the people that helped you get where you
• 41:04
  were today. And I have to say, while Kristen
• 41:07
  was dunking her head down, going, Oh my God, oh, my bill
• 41:11
  was back in the Pennsylvania delegation holding his hands
• 41:14
  out, going, that's big balds, James.
• 41:16
  I mean, they were huge. He had a problem walking off the
• 41:21
  stage after that concession speech.
• 41:24
  And I mean huge balls for saying what he did.
• 41:29
  And James, you can say you're welcome to say what you said you
• 41:35
  you are and you did it with class.
• 41:37
  Look at you there. I now I want to say kudos to
• 41:43
  both Bill and James this year on a good run that they put in.
• 41:48
  You know, unfortunately, I didn't see any of James's
• 41:50
  caucuses as I was steering Bill from behind to keep him in line
• 41:54
  at age. Mother Hen Belle, could you have
• 42:02
  gotten through that caucus with that much grease without me
• 42:04
  there by your side? I might have had trouble.
• 42:11
  Oh, I would have had trouble, definitely, if you weren't
• 42:13
  there. Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 42:16
  I was just what ended up happening last year with Zach.
• 42:20
  I swear I was most worried for you, Zach went.
• 42:24
  Very well. Yeah.
• 42:26
  Sack Sack was they had a different moderator.
• 42:29
  They were, they were very respectful and you know, nothing
• 42:33
  down and dirty that you know. They were upfront and and very
• 42:36
  personable and it didn't and it didn't hurt that Sack was our
• 42:43
  second caucus of the night, so. Yeah, got it out of the way.
• 42:47
  Yeah. And I will say this, there was
• 42:51
  no there was no undermining or attempting to.
• 42:57
  Throw somebody under the bus in the caucuses.
• 43:00
  It was actually very, very professional and I appreciate
• 43:04
  every single caucus that I went to and how they how they treated
• 43:08
  me with such respect as being somebody so fresh and so new.
• 43:12
  You know, it was one of those that you walk into the room and
• 43:15
  and you know that these people could turn around and just land
• 43:19
  based you if they wanted to. And they didn't and they were
• 43:22
  very respectful and I really am appreciative of them for that
• 43:26
  and allowing me the time to speak in front of them for that
• 43:30
  as well. Now I'm going to.
• 43:34
  The no, no, hold on, Josh. I'm going to mention the funny
• 43:37
  of the night for caucus night and I scared about 50 people in
• 43:43
  the in the room. We went into this caucus and
• 43:47
  this. Individual, individual in the
• 43:50
  backroom. Thank you Kristen, for curbing
• 43:52
  me. This individual in the backroom
• 43:55
  asked me a question about my temperament and that the
• 43:58
  relationship between the union and the post office is like a
• 44:01
  marriage. Well, in my mind, a marriage,
• 44:04
  you sleep with the person, so you you don't want that kind of
• 44:06
  relationship with the post office.
• 44:09
  But then when they got done with the temperament, I turned around
• 44:11
  and I started out smoothly and then I said, and I am sick and
• 44:16
  tired of people. Questioning my temperament and
• 44:19
  I'm shouting this, I started out shouting and went off for 10
• 44:23
  seconds. Who was it?
• 44:26
  The soon app was in the front row.
• 44:28
  She jumped so hard, Kristen jumped and was so stunned she
• 44:33
  didn't know whether to tackle me or not.
• 44:35
  And after I got done my little rant, I just brought it right
• 44:37
  back to a speaking tone and took over the room.
• 44:40
  Then people started laughing. But for those 10 seconds, those
• 44:44
  people didn't know whether the old bill was back or not.
• 44:48
  My throat was literally in my my stomach was literally in my
• 44:51
  throat. At that moment, I am sure there
• 44:54
  was a look appeared dread on my face.
• 44:56
  Even though I couldn't see it, I could feel it and I'm going, oh
• 45:00
  crap, here we go, how are we going to get out of this?
• 45:04
  But then he brought it back and I was like.
• 45:09
  And it helped when people started laughing.
• 45:12
  Yeah, it definitely did. Because then they saw what you
• 45:15
  did there and, you know, compared to previous years.
• 45:22
  As we're walking out and after caucus, we we got many Pats on
• 45:28
  the backs and many great job. It's nice to see this side of
• 45:31
  you and not the angry man in quotes.
• 45:37
  So yeah, so we are going to come back even better and stronger
• 45:40
  next year. Won't we go?
• 45:42
  Please don't confuse my passion for anger.
• 45:46
  Absolutely. I.
• 45:48
  Want to say I was going to say I'm glad you had James.
• 45:54
  I'm glad you had such a good experience with this.
• 45:58
  I know last year there was one, a young lady that was running
• 46:04
  for a position and a couple people told her she just needs
• 46:10
  to pack up and go home. She was there this year as a
• 46:13
  delegate. I know she came to Bill's booth
• 46:15
  and they talked briefly. She was there as a delegate.
• 46:20
  She wasn't running for anything, but she was there.
• 46:22
  Well, after where she? I didn't think she would, but
• 46:26
  she was. You never know.
• 46:28
  And and James was the guy from Georgia that came up to me to
• 46:31
  clarify my position last year. Yeah, that that was interesting,
• 46:36
  the guy. So I'll tell my side of that
• 46:38
  story. And then you explained the
• 46:40
  conversation you had with him. So he comes up to me and and
• 46:45
  he's talking with me because I'm running for position and Bill's
• 46:48
  running for position and he's excited about what I'm talking
• 46:52
  about And I say and that's why I'm running for Bill and he said
• 46:56
  and I can't vote for Bill and I said why not.
• 46:58
  And he says it's because Bill said he doesn't support the
• 47:03
  union, he supports the he support doesn't support the
• 47:06
  union. And I'm like, well, that doesn't
• 47:09
  really sound like Bill. And I said, well, I tell you
• 47:11
  what. Go and talk with Bill and then
• 47:14
  let me know how you feel about him after that, because I don't
• 47:17
  think you got the full message. And so he went and talked with
• 47:20
  Bill. And what did he ask you, Bill?
• 47:23
  He asked me if I supported the union and I explained to him.
• 47:27
  I says I support the craft. I says the union that I see is
• 47:33
  the board that doesn't truly represent the craft.
• 47:36
  I says I wholeheartedly back the union.
• 47:40
  But the thing of it is we had and we had a 10 minute
• 47:42
  conversation and he he's he he agreed with me.
• 47:44
  He says I'm sorry. He says I I stopped listening
• 47:47
  after you said you didn't support the union.
• 47:52
  You did a great concession speech.
• 47:54
  You had a great concession speech.
• 47:55
  Yeah. The body, the body spoke.
• 47:57
  I lost fair and square, you know, and and and the story, I
• 48:02
  mean, you know, I'm disappointed because like Kristen and James
• 48:05
  said, we were rock stars there. We had people taking pictures
• 48:08
  with us, I mean. I just didn't understand why the
• 48:11
  support didn't translate into votes.
• 48:13
  So somebody explained to me and, you know, I questioned whether
• 48:17
  states still vote in blocks or not.
• 48:19
  And supposedly they don't. But we did have a question
• 48:23
  raised on the floor asked of Ronnie Stutz about, you know,
• 48:27
  state officers, you know, telling people, you know how to
• 48:30
  vote. And you know, I I'm not sure
• 48:33
  that it really got resolved, but he kind of put it to bed so.
• 48:38
  You know well. The the question, the question
• 48:41
  raised was on ballots that didn't have delegates assigned
• 48:45
  to them. And the rules state that it is
• 48:50
  to be of a majority of the caucus.
• 48:53
  And most people are translating that into you have to tell the
• 48:57
  caucus who you're voting for in order to get that majority.
• 49:01
  But if they if the caucus was actually legitimate, the
• 49:05
  president would get all the votes together.
• 49:08
  Count them out to who votes what and use it that way for the
• 49:12
  majority vote. That would be the proper way to
• 49:14
  do it. If they're doing it by raising
• 49:16
  your hand for a person, or if they're doing it by any other
• 49:20
  means, that reveals who you voted for.
• 49:22
  It shouldn't be done that way because it's supposed to be a
• 49:25
  private ballot. So if that's how they're doing
• 49:29
  it, then that needs to change and they need to find a better
• 49:32
  way to do it. But if they're doing it in the
• 49:34
  proper and legitimate way of finding the majority vote?
• 49:38
  I'm all for that. At the same time I'm at at the
• 49:42
  also at the problem of these people.
• 49:45
  If they aren't here to vote, they should.
• 49:47
  There shouldn't be a vote in their slot.
• 49:50
  That's my own personal opinion. And I also, I also want to take
• 49:54
  a moment to applaud the people who traveled the hardest
• 49:58
  distance to come to this caucus. And that was the the two
• 50:02
  delegates from Puerto Rico who came and participated in this.
• 50:08
  Convention because they had to come all the way from Puerto
• 50:12
  Rico. There was the 1 from Alaska.
• 50:15
  He was selling the snow cones out there, remember?
• 50:18
  Oh yeah, and and him too. You know, these people that come
• 50:21
  from far away, over the oceans, over another country in some
• 50:26
  instances to get here. And I did.
• 50:31
  I did laugh when. They were talking about ending
• 50:35
  night time delivery in that Alaskan guy got up there and
• 50:39
  said, well, if you did that, we'd have 15 days where we
• 50:42
  wouldn't deliver. That was hilarious.
• 50:48
  Well, if I'd have heard that, I'd have said well, you would be
• 50:50
  considered a city route in Westchester.
• 50:57
  So, all right, anything else from National?
• 51:01
  Yeah it it was again I I I'm glad for James to go through
• 51:05
  through the toughest conventional ever face and and
• 51:08
  he did it with pride and dignity and and we're proud of him yes
• 51:12
  we are. And and and in a suit.
• 51:14
  Something I don't wear in a suit.
• 51:19
  I I know I got that text from Bill that morning going, you're
• 51:21
  not going to recognize James. And I'm going, huh?
• 51:24
  Then I look, I'm like, whoa, where where'd you come from?
• 51:31
  Yeah. I'm I'm a I'm a rural carrier.
• 51:33
  I don't wear a suit. I don't wear a suit because I'm
• 51:35
  about delivering the mail and I'm not going to go out there
• 51:38
  and get a suit dirty in an LLV on dirt roads, and especially
• 51:43
  not in the summertime. I die of heat stroke in the
• 51:46
  first hour. Trust me, I I I saw him and I'm
• 51:51
  like, who the hell is that? Right.
• 51:56
  Right. But yeah, so.
• 52:00
  It was a good convention, a lot of, a lot of things hashed out
• 52:03
  professionally amongst amongst the delegates.
• 52:06
  You know, there was no need for a WWE the ring this year.
• 52:11
  So I saw, I saw posts about having cage matches between
• 52:15
  people and I had to laugh about that.
• 52:16
  But that definitely would have made it a little bit more
• 52:19
  interesting. Oh God, yeah.
• 52:23
  Imagine how much money Pack would raise for that.
• 52:26
  Oh, I know, right? Maybe we should pass it on to
• 52:29
  the national Pack chair. Hey, we need to do this.
• 52:32
  I'm sure you'd raise tons of money.
• 52:34
  Maybe. Maybe that's maybe that's how we
• 52:36
  elect our next officers. You know, put them in a cage
• 52:39
  match. I'm game.
• 52:45
  I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
• 52:47
  We do not promote violence on this channel.
• 52:50
  We do not promote violence. Cage Match is not violence, it's
• 52:53
  entertainment okay. Yes.
• 52:56
  And every move is planned to perfection and choreographed and
• 53:02
  scripted. All right, guys.
• 53:07
  So if we have nothing more on National Convention, we're going
• 53:11
  to briefly talk about the upcoming mini Mail survey.
• 53:16
  As with the past one, the mini mail survey is counting the bare
• 53:24
  minimum. This is where you know the the
• 53:27
  days of the old mail counts are gone.
• 53:30
  I have the I have the Presurvey stand up talk that the
• 53:40
  postmasters were are supposed to be reading to you no later than
• 53:44
  Thursday, August 24th. So you should be having a stand
• 53:48
  up talk if you haven't already because they issued it on August
• 53:51
  15th, but. The gist of it is the mini mail
• 53:56
  survey will be from August 25th a a Friday through September 8th
• 54:02
  and the reason why they are including that Friday is because
• 54:06
  of the holiday. Now you're going to get holiday
• 54:09
  volumes on that Tuesday so that's going to help benefit
• 54:13
  your mini mail survey. But it starts on the morning of
• 54:17
  Friday the 25th and will conclude at end of shift Friday
• 54:21
  September 8th. All rural routes are included in
• 54:25
  this survey. Management will conduct the mini
• 54:29
  mail survey. Craft employees working in EAS
• 54:33
  higher level assignments may conduct that the required
• 54:36
  activities provided they have received appropriate training
• 54:40
  and have a PS Form 1723 on file. The office walk distances will
• 54:47
  be measured jointly by the carrier and a manager.
• 54:51
  This means manually measured with a wheel.
• 54:55
  I have heard talks of it being digital now with the scanners,
• 54:59
  but I'm sorry, most buildings are a fair day cage when it
• 55:02
  comes to GPS signals. That's not going to happen.
• 55:04
  Don't don't let them tell you otherwise.
• 55:07
  It is a manual measurement with a wheel, random letters, random
• 55:12
  flats. Cars 3982 labels and
• 55:16
  miscellaneous office activity will be counted or timed daily
• 55:20
  and entered into RMSS no later than close of business on the
• 55:25
  current day. Letters pulled from DPS Hold
• 55:30
  mail or closed school businesses will be counted as random
• 55:34
  letters at the same time that they arrive.
• 55:39
  So if you have a business that is closed on a Saturday or a
• 55:42
  school that is closed. Not only will you get the DPS
• 55:46
  credit for it that day, you will also get a random mail credit
• 55:49
  for that day. We'll talk about that in the
• 55:51
  short bit. The Daily Volume worksheet will
• 55:55
  be provided to the carrier upon completion no later than the
• 55:59
  morning, the follow the morning following the day's entries.
• 56:03
  The weekly summary worksheet will be provided at the end of
• 56:06
  the survey period for review. Change of addresses Carrier
• 56:11
  cases must be checked by management on the day preceding
• 56:14
  the start of the Mini Mail Survey to prevent PARS labels
• 56:18
  from being included that were not printed on that very first
• 56:21
  Friday at the conclusion of the survey.
• 56:25
  If a regular desires to elect high option, should the option
• 56:28
  be available, they must indicate it on the Mini Mail Survey
• 56:32
  Summary and toggle Change to Yes.
• 56:34
  In route settings, that's on the management side, management has
• 56:38
  to toggle that you want the high option.
• 56:40
  So I would recommend the carriers actually sit there and
• 56:44
  say I want high option, can you show me you toggling the high
• 56:46
  option please? So discussion and start with
• 56:51
  that and then we'll go back to the closed business.
• 56:59
  Didn't you get a message Bill, about wanting to choose the high
• 57:03
  or low option for your route? Yes, I while I convention I got
• 57:09
  a text message from my supervisor asking if I wanted
• 57:12
  the high low option and I questioned her.
• 57:16
  As you know, since I'm a 67.34 hour K route and I have 25
• 57:22
  years, in what option do I have a J59?
• 57:27
  I mean, you know it. The thing of it is that you
• 57:30
  can't select an option until the mini mail survey is done.
• 57:34
  So you know, where did this come from?
• 57:38
  This, this is the management team leading my office.
• 57:41
  This is, this is a woman. When I asked her about a radar
• 57:43
  report, she says, what is that? The folks, you know, educate
• 57:48
  yourselves, please. Because the people above you,
• 57:52
  they're clueless. And you know, if you don't
• 57:54
  protect yourself, nobody will. Now the biggest thing about this
• 58:03
  is this is your money. All those scans you've been in
• 58:06
  putting for the last six months are part of your money.
• 58:10
  We've got a full year going into this one because of the six
• 58:13
  months prior to the last mini Mail survey plus this six
• 58:16
  months. So we now have almost 52 weeks
• 58:19
  worth of data going into this system.
• 58:22
  And of course, you're not going to get the full evaluation that
• 58:25
  your route actually deserves with this one.
• 58:27
  It'll still be lower than what you should be, but it'll should
• 58:31
  work its way up if you've been doing your scans when you
• 58:34
  haven't been, or if you haven't been doing all the scans and now
• 58:37
  you have been, things like that. Now the mini Mail survey.
• 58:41
  Make sure you keep track. Remember, the DPS errors
• 58:46
  includes your of them. Includes your.
• 58:50
  See it, dear. Forward your.
• 58:54
  Miss sorts Miss Sense. Miss sorts, Miss sense.
• 58:57
  Your upside down is one for every four Upside Down you get.
• 59:02
  One random letter for every four upside down that you have, you
• 59:07
  know and don't. Don't go down or inverted.
• 59:10
  Don't forget the schools and businesses closed on Saturdays.
• 59:14
  Yep, and we'll get into that here in just a moment.
• 59:17
  But everything you pull out of your DPS should be counted as as
• 59:23
  DPS errors and as a random letter, so make sure you're
• 59:29
  getting the count for that and things like that.
• 59:34
  And as the topic of discussion for the Mini Mail survey, you
• 59:38
  know, everything we do in the office is only supposed to
• 59:41
  represent 6%. So please, people.
• 59:46
  Don't believe that you're going to jump back up to where you
• 59:48
  were. That's not going to happen, But
• 59:51
  at least you can take back some of what you lost.
• 59:55
  If you're doing all the scans and you're doing all the the
• 59:58
  miss sorts, miss sense Uvbm's, if you're doing your job you'll
• 1:00:02
  go back up a little. Not a lot, because again, what
• 1:00:06
  you're doing is only going to represent the 6 to 8% of your
• 1:00:09
  total evaluation. And I hate to be the, I hate to
• 1:00:14
  be the Debbie Downer on it, but since the last official mail
• 1:00:18
  count in 2018 prior to the Rex implementation, mail volumes
• 1:00:23
  have gone down significantly in most areas.
• 1:00:27
  So you also have to remember that fact.
• 1:00:30
  Parcel parcels on the other hand, depending on where you're
• 1:00:32
  at, I do understand offices that have lost Amazon and offices
• 1:00:38
  that have gained Amazon since offices like mine who had we had
• 1:00:43
  Amazon, we dropped a look quite a bit for for a few months right
• 1:00:50
  around the time of the last mini mail survey and then it came
• 1:00:54
  back with a vengeance a couple months ago and it hasn't let up.
• 1:00:58
  I mean all these variables, so but for but for a true, as long
• 1:01:04
  as you're doing all the scans, not just the six, but all the
• 1:01:07
  scans that apply to your route, when they apply to your route,
• 1:01:11
  yeah, I'll have to remember it is going to take a full year, a
• 1:01:14
  full 52 week cycle for these evaluations to finally kind of
• 1:01:18
  even out to where they actually should be and.
• 1:01:23
  If I'm wrong, please please correct me.
• 1:01:26
  I would say like Bill was saying, the survey is only 6% of
• 1:01:30
  the evaluation. What you get in these two weeks,
• 1:01:37
  the only difference it'll make is.
• 1:01:39
  You're within a minute or two of the next evaluation, up or down,
• 1:01:43
  correct? It could be the difference of 23
• 1:01:47
  or 44 K 3 to 22 K depending on what those numbers are.
• 1:01:53
  But the bulk of it, 95%, is already set through the end of
• 1:02:00
  run or radar reports your and your data entry into the
• 1:02:05
  scanner. Of that 6%, is the walk
• 1:02:11
  distances in the office through the 3rd a wheel?
• 1:02:15
  Josh You're getting a little difficult to understand.
• 1:02:18
  So like Josh was saying is that 6%, that 6% is a small drop in
• 1:02:24
  the bucket and at most if you have a lot of random letters, a
• 1:02:30
  large walking distance. All the numbers are a lot higher
• 1:02:33
  than other offices. You may get a maximum of 15
• 1:02:36
  minutes added to your route with the mini mail survey.
• 1:02:41
  Right. I was saying 1% of that six is
• 1:02:44
  The Walking distances in the office and that's from the
• 1:02:47
  center of your case to wherever the point is and back for most
• 1:02:52
  of them. So the next part is your closed
• 1:02:59
  businesses and schools. Now they came out with an MOU,
• 1:03:05
  and this MOU came from both the Postal Service and the union.
• 1:03:14
  And in the original agreement, they had agreed that back when
• 1:03:18
  the many when the counts were happening that D, PS:, closed
• 1:03:22
  schools or business letter mail received during a mail count
• 1:03:26
  would be based on the number of pieces received.
• 1:03:29
  If seven or less pieces were received, the letters would be
• 1:03:32
  credited as random letters and if eight or more were received,
• 1:03:36
  credit would be given as a parcel.
• 1:03:39
  The Rex system has required a change to the above due to the
• 1:03:44
  application of new route standards, effective with the
• 1:03:48
  next mini mail survey if D PS:. Letter mail is received for a
• 1:03:52
  closed school or business, whether cased or taken to the
• 1:03:56
  street. Each piece will be credited as a
• 1:03:58
  random letter mail piece on the day the mail is received, so you
• 1:04:03
  will be getting 2 credits in office on the same day.
• 1:04:06
  You will get the DPS credit and the random mail credit, so
• 1:04:12
  you're going to get a double dipping on the day you receive
• 1:04:16
  it instead of getting the unscanned parcel credit however
• 1:04:22
  it says in the office. Because in the mail count it was
• 1:04:27
  a credit in the office, so carrier discretion how you want
• 1:04:32
  to apply that, we're not going to tell you one way or the other
• 1:04:36
  but make sure any any scans you input into your scanner you can
• 1:04:40
  back up with fax and this will actually not back up your fax on
• 1:04:45
  the unscanned parcel in that instance.
• 1:04:49
  So make sure you're you're doing the proper procedure and getting
• 1:04:52
  the credit plus I believe. If you add it up and you have 8
• 1:04:56
  letters that is actually in the random credit, it is actually 8
• 1:04:59
  letters is equal to 1 unscanned parcel credit in the mailbox.
• 1:05:04
  So just just to remember that there was also an MO U that was
• 1:05:10
  released this week pertaining to RX and this will supersede the
• 1:05:17
  MO U sign March 31st relative to the rural route evaluations
• 1:05:22
  under the rule Route Evaluation Compensation System RX.
• 1:05:27
  The first rule route evaluations under RX were implemented on May
• 1:05:30
  6th, 2023 and the second route evaluations will be effective
• 1:05:36
  October 7th, which is also the beginning of the new guarantee
• 1:05:39
  period. I'm adding that in utilizing
• 1:05:44
  volume data during the 52 week period September 9th, 2022
• 1:05:50
  through September 8th, 2023 along with many mail survey data
• 1:05:55
  collected August 25th through September 8th, 2023.
• 1:06:00
  Beginning with the second rural route evaluations, the parties
• 1:06:03
  have agreed to a modification to the route coverage calculation
• 1:06:08
  consisting of three changes. Route coverage will be
• 1:06:11
  calculated by averaging the daily coverage values for the 52
• 1:06:16
  week period. Daily route coverage will be
• 1:06:19
  calculated separately for all regular boxes and daily route
• 1:06:24
  coverage will be calculated separately for all centralized
• 1:06:27
  boxes. I know that was a big one with
• 1:06:30
  this last one was those that coverage for those CBU's.
• 1:06:34
  The parties also agree that by the end of the calendar year,
• 1:06:37
  route coverage will be displayed on available daily reporting.
• 1:06:42
  The internal methodology for calculation of the drive speed
• 1:06:46
  utilizing the authorized miles and the route stops excluding
• 1:06:51
  traffic control points to determine the average interval
• 1:06:55
  for the subsequent application of the standard from the drive
• 1:07:00
  speed matrix will continue to be utilized should the rural route
• 1:07:03
  not have available mapping information at the time of the
• 1:07:06
  evaluation. Additionally, the previously
• 1:07:10
  agree upon average time to be applied to parcel deliveries to
• 1:07:15
  the door will continue to be used when mapped data is
• 1:07:18
  unavailable. Either party may request to
• 1:07:22
  reevaluate this Interim RX methodology at any time.
• 1:07:26
  Roll routes will be evaluated every six months following the
• 1:07:29
  evaluation. Effective October 7th, 2023.
• 1:07:34
  The beginning of the first full pay period in April and October
• 1:07:37
  respectively, will be the effective date of all future
• 1:07:42
  rural route evaluations. Unless the parties agree
• 1:07:45
  otherwise. The volume data collection
• 1:07:48
  period will consist of 52 weeks which will end on the last day
• 1:07:53
  of the pay period 2 full pay periods prior to the April and
• 1:07:57
  October effective dates. The mini mail survey data will
• 1:08:01
  be collected during the last 12 working days of the 52 week
• 1:08:05
  period. Thus, the new rural route
• 1:08:08
  evaluations will be effective at the beginning of the third full
• 1:08:13
  pay period following the completion of data collection
• 1:08:16
  period. The provisions set forth in the
• 1:08:18
  MLU do not restrict the parties from negotiating changes to our
• 1:08:22
  Rex should the opportunities arise based on future
• 1:08:26
  advancements in technology. So there's the other second
• 1:08:31
  update we have on that that came out this week.
• 1:08:35
  I get that'll be a good thing. For those of you that have
• 1:08:37
  centralized boxes and regular boxes, those will be averaged
• 1:08:43
  separately, which is ideal. I do believe there was that big
• 1:08:48
  issue there with the CBU's. What was the other one I was
• 1:08:52
  going to bring up? Let me go back through while
• 1:08:56
  you're looking that up mapping please.
• 1:08:58
  I know my office wants to have the mapping done prior to the
• 1:09:02
  mini mail survey starting. If you look on the website when
• 1:09:07
  it has the timeline for everything, you do have until
• 1:09:11
  the end of close of business day September 8th to make sure that
• 1:09:15
  all your mapping is back up to date for it to be effect.
• 1:09:19
  In this evaluation I would definitely get with your
• 1:09:23
  management and make sure every single one of you carriers are
• 1:09:28
  sitting down with management under end of shift duties to
• 1:09:32
  make sure that your mapping is up to date and correct and if
• 1:09:40
  they are not letting you get a hold of your Dr. immediately.
• 1:09:45
  I wanted to. We had a question in the chat
• 1:09:48
  about why do government vehicles get The Walking distance from
• 1:09:54
  the case to the vehicle and back and Pov's done that walking
• 1:09:58
  distance in the. Is supposed to when you clock
• 1:10:01
  in, first thing you do is go out and do an inspection of your
• 1:10:04
  vehicle. For the government vehicles to
• 1:10:07
  verify there is no evidence of an issue that they need to
• 1:10:13
  write. It needs to be written up and
• 1:10:15
  have made vehicle maintenance come out in repair of IT POV's.
• 1:10:21
  You're supposed to check your vehicle and keep it route ready
• 1:10:27
  when you arrive. So that's why you don't get that
• 1:10:34
  credit, that walking distance credit.
• 1:10:37
  But, but you do get time, minute to minute, second to second from
• 1:10:42
  the time you leave your case to go load your vehicle to the time
• 1:10:45
  you return to your case under the start load vehicle and end
• 1:10:49
  load vehicle. So it doesn't matter how far you
• 1:10:53
  have to walk, you're getting the time it takes you to walk that
• 1:10:56
  distance instead of the measurements.
• 1:10:59
  And it's actually more value under the time than it is The
• 1:11:03
  Walking distance, because depending on how much you have
• 1:11:08
  to push out there, you might be walking a lot slower than you
• 1:11:10
  would if you were just walking out there to inspect the
• 1:11:12
  vehicle, especially your, your, your, your, your conveyance
• 1:11:18
  method that you know. Everybody's different.
• 1:11:23
  I know some offices that use the steel cages, the wires they use,
• 1:11:27
  the nutting carts they use. We have pumpkins and hampers and
• 1:11:34
  hampers. We have pumpkins and hampers.
• 1:11:36
  I know some office, I know my previous office.
• 1:11:38
  So they don't longer use them, they use the wire cages.
• 1:11:40
  But that time we used Apc's. I mean it really just you know
• 1:11:46
  how what it takes you to load is what it takes you to load.
• 1:11:50
  No, there are no benchmarks for loading times.
• 1:11:54
  There are no event marks for end of shift duties.
• 1:11:58
  There you know those are recorded actual time for a
• 1:12:03
  reason. Your end of shift duties can
• 1:12:05
  include are supposed to include your edit book, updating your
• 1:12:09
  your case labels, your mapping. Those are all done.
• 1:12:13
  Do not let your postmasters and your management tell you that
• 1:12:18
  you have to click over to PM casing to do any of that stuff.
• 1:12:22
  PM casing stops the clock. There are only two instances
• 1:12:28
  that you use PM casing. That is if you are casing mail
• 1:12:32
  that came in later that day for the next day.
• 1:12:35
  I E box holders, if you case them, something that you may
• 1:12:39
  have had permission to curtail for the next day, which is a
• 1:12:43
  rare tea anymore and 2nd trips. And from a personal point of
• 1:12:49
  view. Benchmarking should be illegal
• 1:12:52
  on a national average. It should be average on your
• 1:12:55
  route. That's the only benchmark should
• 1:12:58
  be set. But them using national averages
• 1:13:02
  is bullshit and don't edit that out.
• 1:13:07
  I agree. I actually agree with that 100%.
• 1:13:11
  Because this is your route. This is not.
• 1:13:14
  This is not a national route. This is your route.
• 1:13:17
  This is. Specific issues that occur on
• 1:13:20
  your route only, You know. If you're sitting there and
• 1:13:24
  you're getting fires and things like that, or you're constantly
• 1:13:27
  having people moving out, you're going to have a higher time at
• 1:13:32
  the end of shift duties. Then if you're in a state that
• 1:13:35
  doesn't have people moving out or you're on a route that
• 1:13:37
  doesn't have people changing all the time, you have a route
• 1:13:40
  that's fully trailer parks that people change out all the time.
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  You're going to spend more time on the end of route than you
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  are. Of somebody who has a
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  neighborhood of single family homes that has young couples in
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  them because that was their first house they bought after
• 1:13:58
  they had kids. So there's a lot of lot of
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  variables in each route that we do, and that's what makes this
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  world craft so amazing is that even though we do the same job,
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  each route is so enough different that they actually are
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  entertaining. Each route is unique in its own
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  way and I'm going to put this out here on the mapping too.
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  If you do not have any edit book changes for the month, yes, I
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  know it is possible. I have my primary and my aux
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  route had no changes for this month.
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  You still need to go in and download your DPM and double
• 1:14:37
  check and make sure everything's still correct and still run your
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  LTM every month even if you have no edit book changes.
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  Because there could be changes in there that you didn't, didn't
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  realize we're in there and go through every single address in
• 1:14:54
  your in your DPM. Because I've had addresses say
• 1:14:58
  that they're vacant when they aren't or I caught an error.
• 1:15:01
  This last month I caught an error on mine where my
• 1:15:05
  authorized dismount hardship. Was a completely different
• 1:15:09
  address on my route than the one it actually is, so I had to get
• 1:15:13
  that changed. So there's there's errors that
• 1:15:16
  occur with this program, so you need to go in and check it out.
• 1:15:20
  And don't tell refuse that we don't have the time to do it.
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  That's their responsibility to make that time.
• 1:15:28
  Absolutely. And if if they aren't talking to
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  your designated union Rep? One more thing with loading with
• 1:15:37
  a POV. You may not have a parking space
• 1:15:41
  where you get there in the morning or that to leave your
• 1:15:45
  truck right up against near the loading area.
• 1:15:48
  So once you get your everything pulled down in the conveyance
• 1:15:51
  and you roll that conveyance out to the loading area, you include
• 1:15:56
  that time to walk to your POV and drive it back to the the
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  dock or loading area that you use to load up your vehicle.
• 1:16:06
  Yes, and that includes into shift duties when you come in
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  and if you have to park separately from where you
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  unload, that is included in your end of shift duties.
• 1:16:20
  You as soon as you get back and where you park to unload and
• 1:16:25
  soon as you turn that vehicle off and you hit the return to
• 1:16:27
  DU. Your end of shift duties start
• 1:16:30
  then and do not end until you clock out or you have to hit PM
• 1:16:35
  casing. So if you have to park a vehicle
• 1:16:38
  in a different spot from where you unload, that is included in
• 1:16:41
  your end of shift duties. All right guys, I think we're
• 1:16:47
  going to try and wrap this up for tonight.
• 1:16:50
  And if there's anything else you want to add real quick on the
• 1:16:52
  upcoming mini Mail survey, go ahead, do it now.
• 1:16:56
  Just. Remember, it's your money, so
• 1:17:01
  monitor it as best you can. Because if there are any
• 1:17:05
  problems with what's going on with your inputs or your mini
• 1:17:12
  mail survey, you need to be getting a hold of your
• 1:17:15
  designated union representative and letting them know what's
• 1:17:17
  going on. Because it may not be occurring
• 1:17:20
  in just your office. It may be other offices because
• 1:17:24
  management has a habit of if it's happening in one office,
• 1:17:28
  it's probably happening in others because.
• 1:17:31
  They're just as confused on this stuff as most carriers are, and
• 1:17:36
  they're getting this information from people who also weren't
• 1:17:39
  trained. As I talked about in a previous
• 1:17:41
  episode, even the regional director is not passing the all
• 1:17:44
  the information down to the district level, so you need to
• 1:17:48
  be monitoring what's happening with your paycheck.
• 1:17:52
  Everything you do affects your paycheck, so make sure you're
• 1:17:56
  doing everything you legitimately can do to help your
• 1:18:00
  paycheck. Trust no one.
• 1:18:03
  Verify everything and also e-mail went out to all
• 1:18:09
  management across the board. The radar report is to be
• 1:18:14
  printed and placed in a prominent place in the office on
• 1:18:19
  a daily basis, just not during the Mini Mail survey, but every
• 1:18:25
  single day. I wish they digitized that so
• 1:18:30
  they wouldn't be wasting so much paper to.
• 1:18:34
  Be honest, I wish I could. Log in.
• 1:18:35
  I did bring up that up to my supervisor yesterday when I got
• 1:18:40
  back from the route. She hadn't seen the e-mail yet,
• 1:18:43
  but then she found it and she did print those off.
• 1:18:46
  We found a place to hang them. I will make sure it gets
• 1:18:50
  announced to everybody tomorrow, but yes, it is definitely.
• 1:18:55
  That is something that's supposed to be done every single
• 1:18:58
  day, regardless in or out of an e-mail survey.
• 1:19:03
  I would just recommend asking your supervisor, postmaster,
• 1:19:07
  manager, where that designated spot is going to be.
• 1:19:20
  So on that note, Josh, anything else you want for say tonight?
• 1:19:24
  I'm forever holding my peace. All right.
• 1:19:27
  We hope you have a good week. I plan on it.
• 1:19:31
  I know you said it was breaking up earlier.
• 1:19:33
  This is going to be a short week.
• 1:19:35
  I already took off tomorrow because I wasn't planning on
• 1:19:37
  being back until later yesterday or today.
• 1:19:41
  So I had the one, you know that had that extra day to recoup.
• 1:19:45
  I work Tuesday, Wednesday, I'm off Thursday for appointments,
• 1:19:49
  work Friday and then Saturday. Me and the wife have planned.
• 1:19:54
  So it's a short week if. You get overwhelmed.
• 1:20:00
  Take a step back, take a deep breath, step back in.
• 1:20:04
  Have a good week. See y'all next time.
• 1:20:07
  James, your last final commentary for the evening.
• 1:20:12
  Well, I am glad to be going back to my route and to my customers
• 1:20:16
  after a week at National Convention and it definitely did
• 1:20:20
  not feel like a vacation there for sure, but.
• 1:20:23
  Had good company while I was there, so that was really made
• 1:20:26
  it a lot easier to handle and had people to talk to.
• 1:20:30
  Met some great people. So I'm looking forward to the
• 1:20:34
  next one in Reno, NV when that comes up.
• 1:20:37
  So I'm sure that one's going to be just as passionate.
• 1:20:39
  So I'm hoping for a really good convention next year.
• 1:20:43
  Honestly, I'm looking forward to this mini mail survey and
• 1:20:47
  getting the results back because I believe that a lot of carriers
• 1:20:50
  are going to see their numbers go up.
• 1:20:53
  So I'm hopeful for a good couple of weeks, mini mail survey with
• 1:20:57
  a lot of paperwork coming through and a lot of people are
• 1:21:03
  upset about this system. But we need to do one thing and
• 1:21:06
  that is be one craft, be 1 voice, be 1 union.
• 1:21:12
  We're all in this together and we need to support each other no
• 1:21:16
  matter what's going on and if things are not going the way
• 1:21:20
  they're supposed to be doing. And management is telling you
• 1:21:23
  things that they shouldn't be, especially harassing you about
• 1:21:27
  scans. Get with your designated union
• 1:21:30
  Rep, get the help. Because it's a nationwide
• 1:21:33
  epidemic that management has harassing carriers over these
• 1:21:36
  scans and we need to put a stop to it.
• 1:21:39
  So do your best. Hopefully your routes go up like
• 1:21:43
  I expect them to and we'll talk to you guys on the next episode.
• 1:21:48
  Well, your final words for this evening.
• 1:21:52
  Well, you know, I I have to thank Josh there for because I
• 1:21:57
  used his strategy during my nomination speech.
• 1:22:01
  I almost pulled the podium apart and I stepped back, visibly
• 1:22:06
  stepped back. I did from the podium and then
• 1:22:09
  stepped back in, you know, and finished off my nominations
• 1:22:13
  acceptance and it was the funniest thing because it you
• 1:22:16
  know. You know it works.
• 1:22:18
  You have to step back and take a breath and you know, gather
• 1:22:21
  yourself again. Thanks for all the support and
• 1:22:24
  love I get. We got from the people.
• 1:22:27
  You know, I have to point out, you know how much James and
• 1:22:30
  Kristen you know, did for me, Kristen's friends.
• 1:22:33
  It was awesome. It was an awesome experience and
• 1:22:36
  I wish the results were more to our liking.
• 1:22:38
  But that's the democratic process folks.
• 1:22:40
  So that's why we have to get involved because the fact that.
• 1:22:44
  We have to turn this union around to represent the
• 1:22:48
  carriers. That's what that's the only
• 1:22:51
  purpose for our national leadership is to represent,
• 1:22:55
  educate and promote the carriers.
• 1:22:58
  So everybody have a good week, be safe, hydrate, take care of
• 1:23:03
  each other, look out for each other and step up for those who
• 1:23:07
  you know aren't strong enough to step up for themselves, Be a
• 1:23:09
  witness for them. OK, everybody be safe.
• 1:23:14
  Everybody, be safe. Remember, you're the most
• 1:23:18
  important delivery today. Get home to your loved ones
• 1:23:20
  because that's the most important part of your day.
• 1:23:23
  Getting home to them. God bless you all.
• 1:23:28
  I'm just glad I was able to help one person.
• 1:23:33
  And I need. I needed to help because I had a
• 1:23:35
  guardian Angel over my left shoulder.
• 1:23:38
  At every clock is yes yes you did and I wasn't standing behind
• 1:23:42
  you on that stage during your nomination speech so but again I
• 1:23:48
  want to thank these guys again. Convention is not a party it is
• 1:23:53
  work. I I am still recovering.
• 1:23:56
  I said I got home late Friday night had to be back and run.
• 1:24:00
  Luckily I just had one the run run the one route.
• 1:24:04
  It was a fairly easy day. I was clocked out by 2:00 PM.
• 1:24:10
  It felt weird, honestly. Right back in it tomorrow,
• 1:24:14
  starting to train. Our one RCA that started a month
• 1:24:17
  ago unfortunately fell ill. He is back tomorrow.
• 1:24:22
  Thank you. And I, our regular carrier will
• 1:24:26
  be retiring at the end of the month and then it's just going
• 1:24:30
  to be a matter of waiting for that route to get posted.
• 1:24:33
  So you imagine that episode when I announced I go full time is
• 1:24:36
  going to be, you know, we'll have the fireworks going off or
• 1:24:39
  something. It's coming people.
• 1:24:42
  It's coming. We'll we'll congratulate you and
• 1:24:45
  commiserate with you because you'll be a regular and you're
• 1:24:49
  going to take a pay cut, right? Right.
• 1:24:53
  I don't know. I might break close to even
• 1:24:55
  beginning. As of right now it's a 45 Ki
• 1:24:57
  don't see it dropping. I am going to be watching like a
• 1:25:00
  hawk during this mini mail survey.
• 1:25:03
  I am going to be on that RCA that's going to be holding it
• 1:25:07
  down you know to continuously because I have not run this
• 1:25:11
  route since they started in April.
• 1:25:15
  So am I a little worried? Yes and no.
• 1:25:19
  We'll see what happens. You know, as long as it stays
• 1:25:21
  between the 4342 and the 45 that it is, I I'll be happy.
• 1:25:27
  But other than that guys have a safe week.
• 1:25:29
  We will be back next week. Data collected August 25th
• 1:25:34
  through.