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The Ownership Shift · The Worship and Leadership Podcast

• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: What is going on, everybody, and welcome to the Worship and Leadership Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: My name is Elmer Cañas Jr.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: And my boy right here, Willie C.
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  SPEAKER_02: Simpson.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yo, what is up, everybody?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: What is going on?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, you know what, Elmer?
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's up?
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  SPEAKER_00: When something breaks.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what's up?
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_00: A renter calls a landlord.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But an owner, they grab the toolbox and they get to work.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my question for you is in ministry, which one are you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you an owner or are you a renter?
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  SPEAKER_00: Come on, what kind of mindset do you have?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I I feel like I'm I'm owner.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've always had that mindset, just like if it's you're there, fix it.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: If it's something's there's a mess, clean it up.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's people that'll be like, hey, there's a mess over there.
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  SPEAKER_02: You should clean it up.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or there's no toilet paper.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that happens at home at times with the kids.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's no toilet paper.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: Go get the toilet paper.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know where it's at.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I'm an owner.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I would I would affirm that 100%, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that you're definitely on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I again I consider myself an owner for sure, especially in my household.
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  SPEAKER_00: If something's going on, something's wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which again, I I enjoy doing that because it's a blessing for my family.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in ministry, I would definitely consider myself an owner.
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  SPEAKER_00: I even like to be more of a collaborative on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, this needs fixing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you help me to do it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey, let's let's find a solution.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it's not all like the physical things.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're talking about like systems and structures.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, like where's the log jam?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, where's the bottleneck?
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  SPEAKER_00: And hey, listen, that's today's episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about the ownership shift.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shift.
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  SPEAKER_02: Gotta be careful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, notice he was very careful in his own.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ownership shift.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think you picked that title on purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: Trying to get me in trouble here, y'all.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, listen, you got to stay on your your toes.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because you just never know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want nobody tripping up in this thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when we're looking at the ownership shift, the the goal today is for all of you to recognize and understand that when it comes to ministry and when it comes to doing work in the kingdom of God, it's easy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the easier route to think of yourself as an employee or a renter and have that, like you said, Elmer, that somebody else will get to a mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if Jesus had that mindset, none of us would be saved.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: In Jesus' name.
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  SPEAKER_00: And not only that, but the first disciples, they would have stopped when they faced resistance and persecution and opposition there right in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they they didn't they didn't allow excuses to keep them from furthering and going forward to be creative and finding solutions, and then also just having the mindset to say, you know what?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Not only has this mission been given to me, but I own it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so let's just start real quick with our anchor, one of our anchor texts here in Nehemiah chapter 4, verse 6.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so just said in the scene, God has put it on the heart of the Persian king to say to Nehemiah, hey, you and your people, the Jews who have been exiled out of their homeland, go back to your homeland, go back to Jerusalem, and rebuild the wall surrounding the temple.
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  SPEAKER_00: The stereotype of worship.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Nehemiah famously faces opposition and resistance at nearly every single turn, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: At nearly every single turn.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love here in verse six what happens prior to that, they talk about being despised, they pray, they seek the Lord, and instead of you know complaining and protesting, they get to prayer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love what verse six says.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says, so we built the wall.
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  SPEAKER_00: We built the wall.
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  SPEAKER_00: And all the wall was joined together to half its height.
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  SPEAKER_00: Listen to this, for the people had a mind to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's ownership.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody had a mind to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love what it says.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says, We built the wall, and the wall was joined together.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're starting with number one, unity of mind and unity of heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: They all had a mind to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nobody said, man, you know, that's going on, or nobody had the mindset of, hey, they'll they'll they'll get my section of the wall, or somebody, you'll know what they're already laying bricks and they're putting spackle on and doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no, they said, I have a mind to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's an ownership mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a mind to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love here, they're not on nobody's owning the whole project.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what they are saying as an owner is, okay, the part that I can do and I can't accomplish, I'm gonna own that fully.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they took responsibility over it.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And at the end of the day, it benefited every single one of them because they were building a wall that would fortify their city and and bring protection to their home.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the context of ministry, I think of of how a lot of people come to church or they'll attend a church, and church doesn't just happen.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, there's a lot of things.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: Even if you had a like you're part of a small church, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Small church, mega church, it doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_02: It takes a lot of work.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I've been in places where the pastor has he's greeting people when you walk in, he's doing the announcements, he leads the worship, then he preaches, then he does the baptisms, and then he runs to the outside, greets everyone as they're leaving.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he does it all because it's not the person, it's the the different roles that are needed to to make the service happen, the experience happen for people to encounter Jesus and hear the truth.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so in a bigger church, you you can actually delegate and ask other people, hey, I need you to be responsible for greeting people, make them feel at home.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, and then and then when you watch somebody else do it who's who has ownership in it, like, and you replicate that, it's different than somebody that's that's saying, Hey, I I need you to be a greeter at the front door because I don't want to do it.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, and so that's also important, you know.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I brought up the the pastor that does everything, the leader that does everything, because the reason they do it is is they don't have anyone else.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they're also passionate because they want it to be done a certain way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but at some point the leader does have to get out of the way to make room for someone to step in, yeah, and to allow other people to feel the weight of ownership.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you this, Elmer.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you how do you spot an owner, you know, so someone with an ownership mindset?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that is something that you can develop uh in others, but it's also I think something that people aren't necessarily born with, but they've just allowed the Lord to fashion it and shape that in them.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: So how do you how do you spot someone that has an an owner mindset?
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  SPEAKER_02: Just people that they're not always hardworking.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think that's the misconception.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: The people that do everything are the owners, which is not true.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because they could be committed but not share the heart and the same sentiment, and they'll do the thing but still call it your church, not our church.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's good, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I think language, heart, and have they committed to the vision more importantly, because like you said, when you were talking about Nehemiah, everyone did their part and it's gonna look different.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as a leader, sometimes we look for people that are doing are willing to do what I'm doing, which is unrealistic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I do a gazillion things around here, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so if I'm waiting for that person to come along that can do everything that I've done, that's taken over 20 years of development to for me to do what I'm doing, and expect someone just to step into that, like it's unrealistic.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so you have to look at at the things that people are doing, which might not seem big, and then you see that there's willing people, and then you have conversations, and then you ask them, hey, like, how do you feel about this place?
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  SPEAKER_02: What has this, you know, talking about church?
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: What has the Lord done in your life?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: A question that we have our staff ask a lot when they meet people, it's like, hey, you know, what what has Life Point meant for you?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, what's your life point its story is what we say.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and so I I've heard you ask that several times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, to your point, I I love I man, let me just I want to revisit what you just said.
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  SPEAKER_00: For you, ownership, you're not equating that with productivity.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, not at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that I think that that's key because there are there are folks now on your teams that are limited in what they can contribute physically, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, and and so we don't want them to feel like, well, you're less of an owner because you're not you don't have the same level of output as as others on the team.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like there are there are folks who like physically can't move or or get around as much or work schedules or family dynamics or even health issues, you know, they they they preclude them from diving into the same level of productivity as as other members, but they can still have just as much of an owner mindset.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so I do think the word that I that just kept kind of reverberating in my mind was passion.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's Jesus says, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think ownership is an overflow of of passion, specifically tied to the heart of the father.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah there is an ownership mentality where they're always talking about our church, our people, our stories.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're talking about the the uh the miracles and the blessings, like when they when they start there first.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I would even say part of it is being willing to bring problems.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now, sometimes you have to coach them some owners in in the making to bring solutions.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I even think like having a discerning and I don't want to say critical, but like critiquing mindset to say, you know, this works, but it could work better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that to me kind of speaks and signals ownership.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so if there are people on your teams who you see have that heart, have that passion, if they're constantly talking about our church, if they're talking about like our ministry, if they're talking about our using that very collaborative type of language, that does speak uh to ownership, I would say.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and where do where are they spending their time and energy?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: I I it's it's crazy because we plan out our season in advance, right?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: Before we start.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we had this episode already on the docket.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: And over the last few weeks, our lead pastor, Pastor Mike, has been challenging us as pastors on staff to read this one book.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh the founders mentality's mentality.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Go it.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, if you guys are leaders uh over teams, this book is not written uh to the church, but I can tell you it is written for the church.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is a phenomenal book in developing.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so late to brought that up in developing the founder's mentality.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the ways, so think of founder and owner, synonymous.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is one of the ways that you do that.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: You relentlessly pursue the mission, and he talks about having this obsession with the front line.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, and it's crazy because you read the book and it's it's a business book.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you're you're seeing all these different stories of all these major companies and brands that we we all you know enjoy of in different retail stores and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then just the journey of all these stores succeeding or failing based on what are you serving.
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  SPEAKER_02: And whenever the intent has become let's make things easier, let's make the systems serve us as the leadership, you've always you always see even businesses fail, yeah, versus what are we doing to serve the people, right?
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so that obsession over the front line, which is the people, yes, it matters.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so going back to what I'm saying is like look at where people are spending their time.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's people that they might not be saying the things you want to hear, but if you watch them, they're in with the people.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're spending time praying for people, they're spending time in small groups.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: They're, you know, so what we say we do the best thing we do is small groups, small groups.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so then you look into the small group community in our church, and there's people that are committed and all in to the vision and mission of our church, and that's where you'll find a lot of people that have that owner mentality because they know that they they trust leadership and the fact that hey, these are systems that we put in place to help you become a fully devoted follower of Christ.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they've trusted that, and not only have they experienced it, but it's changed their lives so much that now they're going and they're they're replicating that in other people.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we don't gotta tell them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's some small groups where like you don't even know like all the details, but there's people making disciples in other ways, you know, and I I love that.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's several times in my own small group that like the guys are having conversations, they're inviting other men, and I love it because like I don't they don't need to check in with me, hey Pastor, I'm discipling someone.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: Is it okay?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, Jesus told you to go do it, so go do it.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and so they're taking ownership of that, yeah, that discipleship making ability that God's given all of us, you know, and so you you just you can see it wherever they're spending their time and energy and right focus.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, like like I said earlier earlier, Elmer, you know, that there are people that we see and that we we know that are on our teams that have that ownership mindset kind of really out the gate, right?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, man, praise God, they're a blessing.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: But and then there are others, which I this excites me even more, who make the shift.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like this episode is the ownership shift.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so there are people who make the shift from being an employee to an owner.
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  SPEAKER_00: And man, that's so exciting to see.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, man, would you just share?
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that you've shared with me a couple of folks, you know, but you know, can you just share a story or two uh of people that are on your teams and that you've done life with that you have seen make that shift from that employee mindset to that ownership mindset?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'll speak to let's say worship yeah per se.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh there there are people on the team that you want me to say names, no names, keep on this.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: However, you want to, man.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I'll give a shout out to our downtown campus, yeah, and and their leaders out there, uh Gorman, and his name's actually Jonathan Gorman, aka Gorman.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just in his own life, and watching him, he's always been a committed individual to the house.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, loves the house, loves, loves our pastors, loves everything that we've been doing as a church, but just that that shift, that growth in him from leading him and and developing him, and him questioning and asking, but why this?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Why that?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Again, questions aren't bad.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I'm saying like it's it's not the productivity itself that determines a person's if they're owner, right?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because you can see the potential in people, right?
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: And and he's such a gifted young man.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: And but he asked, he's had to ask a lot of questions.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's been a lot of developing along the way.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as he's asked the questions and has walked the same path, like you've seen him realize like it just turned on.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and again, there's there's something we can do.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: We can position people, we can place them, and we can answer questions.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, in the case of Jonathan Gorman, uh, you know, I I trust him.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I I love him and his family, I trust him, and I really believe in him.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I I've placed him, given him responsibility.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then he's asked a lot of questions because he wants clarity.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: How do I do this?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: What do I do?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: If it breaks, you know, he wants he's taking responsibility.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but then the difference here is then the Holy Spirit comes in and then God does in the person what we can't do.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and and I just know that God's been doing a work in his life, and the Holy Spirit has been just working and molding and shaping him and in areas that I can speak into, but I can't change it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's good.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: Only only the Holy Spirit can do.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then over the last few years, you know, those of you that get to to serve with Gorman, you've seen this amazing growth, not just in leadership, not just in ability, but in in ownership.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah of like we're gonna bring excellence, we're gonna do things great, you know.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: Even in meetings that I have with him, it's like, all right, that's great, but how do we do it better?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and and so there's this sense of ownership that it's like, all right, all right, hey, you're not looking at all the details.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes, like even more than myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's keeping me in check.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right, all right, let's go.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I love that passion, and and I just want to say this that you know that's that's the individual.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: But back to the point that we can find the person, we can equip them, and we can develop them, but the shift actually happens when the Holy Spirit takes a hold of them.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because because they can do that in their own strength and eventually get tired, yeah.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: But when they they're rooted in the Lord and they abide in the Lord and they they find Him to be their source of strength, yeah, and to lead them.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think when we all step into new areas of life, it's scary.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we don't know what's gonna happen, we don't know what to expect.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: But when there's that full surrender and trust in God, something happens.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: There's a shift that happens.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: The Holy Spirit takes over, He empowers, He takes you know the lead.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where the shift has happened in his life.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Just that he's taking all the information and the responsibility and now giving it to God.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: And now we have this incredible leader at a our our downtown campus.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And you just see it growing.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And the spirit of the Lord is just so strong because where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom, and he desires to work through willing vessels.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I echo everything you said, man, about Gorman.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Seriously, man.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Gorman, you are an amazing leader.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Again, not because of what you do, but because you stay surrendered to the Holy Spirit.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just he just flows through you.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Man, mine is Carlos, Carlos Thompson, man.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've you know that brother, you know, he's just he's a he's just incredible.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: He's like he's like a Swiss Army knight for the kingdom.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Just he just, you know, again, so gifted, talented, incredibly smart, incredibly organized and administratively strong.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: And when he you know stepped on the small group's team, it was, and let me just say this the the the commonality in both of these relationships is that there was personal investment.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I will say that.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Lord can use those of us that are already have the ownership mindset to help the shift happen when you make a personal investment.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: So this wasn't just like like a check-in and part of a weekly meeting.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, hey, we're actually spending time together.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's discipleship.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's really where this it started was Jesus discipled his followers into an ownership mindset, he didn't manage them into it.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: And what is discipleship?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: It is, hey, come follow me as I follow Christ.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so, man, to see him, he was already so strong from a task perspective.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it was very impressive.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, just uh I mean how quickly he gained knowledge because vocationally that that is the world he lives in.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: But then I saw the shift happen when the structures and the systems and the processes that Carlos began to build, he had the people in mind.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was, hey, this will make us more effective as leaders, yeah, but this will also make it easier for us to bring people into the fold, whatever that may be, whether it's leading a small group or or even joining a small group.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: And he began to even the questions that he would ask, like if it's hey, you know, he'd say, Willie and hey, can I just have like kind of a quick five to ten minute conversation?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was either A about how to lead a person better in a small group or on our team, or B about how to communicate this better for our people.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when you recognize, okay, and I'll say this even more importantly, the ownership mindset, I began to see it in his own personal life when I saw him becoming more Christ-like and him being willing to share struggles and being willing to call out for help if he says, Hey man, I need you to pray with me, you know, through this.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's it's a hard day.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, man, that's ownership because he's taking ownership first of his own personal discipleship.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: And if and and I'll say this if you see someone willing to take ownership of their personal discipleship with Jesus, then then you know for sure that's gonna spill out into them having ownership in the area of influence uh within your ministry team.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's there's a scripture, and and I don't remember the where the the passage is, but my mom, she's my mom she's shared this with me since I was a kid.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you're faithful in the little, the Lord would bless you with much.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Or you know, I might be miscalling.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, the yeah, the the the parable of the talent, right?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you're faithful with little, yeah, it says the Lord will set you with right over much, yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and just that faithfulness piece.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so point being we could do this for an organization, right?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: We can do this for the church, yes, and so and because we're fulfilling a responsibility or a task or a job description, or we can do this as unto the Lord, and the Bible says, hey, everything you do, do it as unto the Lord.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Colossians 3.23, yeah.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so, like, regardless of what your work is, regardless of where you work, where you serve, like it should be as unto the Lord.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so then when it comes to that ownership bit, it's like am I doing this because I want people to see me?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Am I doing this because I'm trying to draw attention to me?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: Am I doing this because I want a promotion?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Or am I doing this because it matters to God and so it should matter to me?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's good.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: And and that's why we say we're we're gonna obsess over people in the sense of in the healthy way.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because God obsesses over people.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like for God to love the world that he sent his son absolutely because he loves us.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so, like, if we don't, if we're not driven with that same passion, if that's not our heartbeat, then like what is yeah, you know, that that's so good.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and to your point, we'll end up killing the ownership heart that God's given us, and then we'll kill that ownership heart in those that we're leading.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, so Emma, can we just kind of as we're wrapping up, kind of talk through ways that we as leaders, if we're not careful, can unintentionally kind of kill that ownership heart in others.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think we will we we get in the way.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like I mentioned the story of Gorman, like there's there's a lot of questions that he had.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to be involved, but you have to let people flourish in in their spaces.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, a lot of times you hear it around church world a lot, like, oh, people do a lot, take care of your volunteers.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then so taking care of our volunteers means at times that we say no for them.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and so that's one of the things that we've been kind of undoing with our teams.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we don't want to say no for people because there's people in our church that are like, I wish you would have asked me to serve in this area.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: I would have gladly been there.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: But then over here in the office, we're like, Oh, we don't want to ask people because we don't want to burden them when God's given them the burden as because they're owners, yeah, to come and serve and to come and make a difference.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: But then as a staff, we could be like, Oh no, we want to take care of people.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Don't say no for people.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: The worst they can say to you is no, I can't.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and so ask, ask, delegate, you know, give people opportunity to do things that they could probably do that you're always doing.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and so get out of the way essentially.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then and then we're not the Holy Spirit.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of times that we we look at people and we look at their life situation and we look at how they think and how they operate, and we make a decision in our own minds, oh yeah, this is not gonna work.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: But have we even prayed about it?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's good and there's one thing that I've I've I've been operating in and it and as a gift of the spirit, like the Lord's you know, discernment is is is a it's a real thing.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: And as I'm meeting people over the last few years, I'm like, God, like this is something I used to, I would be in high school and I'd have conversations with people.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be in college and I'd had conversations with people, but over the years you kind of you kind of shy away from things, like oh I don't want to ask people these things that might offend them.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I ask God, I'm sorry, because that's something that you've given me that I could sense things in people and just the compact compassionate, I don't know, I can't explain it.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'll pray over people.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I always ask people how if I can pray for them, but now I'm asking them, like, you know, what are you passionate about?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: What do you love?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you want to serve?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then as they're talking, that the Lord will reveal to me, like, hey, like these are things that they're gifted in, or whatever it is.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: And there's been instances, you know, at a tiny town in here at Rossview that were there's individuals that will just come up and talk to me, and then I'll just say, Hey, do you know that you have a calling to preach?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, What?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Yeah, the Lord's anointed you to preach.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's like duh, like we're all called to share the gospel, right?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I'm like, no, the Lord wants to use your story, and and I'm like, I don't know you, but the Lord wants to use and it gets weird, yeah.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I've learned to let the Holy Spirit make those decisions because I don't know everything about a person.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: We don't know that.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, yeah.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so then we as leaders, we should pray for people, Lord, who are the people that are already in our circle?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Who are the people that are already in our church that you've called to step into ownership?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because we want to say it's everybody, right?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: But real realistically, not everyone's gonna just come along immediately.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, so who are those people that I need to invest into right now to lead them into that place where that shift can happen?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and so it's not just a logical thing that we can think through and see and investigate.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, like you gotta pray.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let the Holy Spirit do Holy Spirit things.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's so good, man.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Let the Holy Spirit do Holy Spirit thing.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, man, that's a word right there.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Let the Holy Spirit do Holy Spirit things, man.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, and again, man, I pre- Hey, listen, I'm just gonna say amen to everything that you just shared there.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: I love, love, love when you just said, man, sometimes it's it's calling out, it's just calling it out.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: One of the things that in in our trainings with our small group leaders is that when I we talk about like multiplying yourself, is I say have an I see in you conversation.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like just call it out.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's four letters.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: I see in you.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hey, I see in you leadership.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: I see you a strong call to missions.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: I see you have a strong teaching.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: You have such a gift for helps and mercy.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Man, like you are just so kind and compassionate.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: And there's just something about sparking that.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I think about when Jesus says to Peter, I say to you, you are Simon Peter.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's like he's I see you.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying this is who you are.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Simon Peter, Peter, Petra's rock.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like you are a rock type of personality.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're hard-headed, but you're stubbornly committed to this gospel, too.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because people won't see it in themselves.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: They won't.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes we have to call it out.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: You have to call it out.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: You just have to, man, this is why because man, words have power.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: People talking about sticks and stones, but words never hurt me.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's a lot from the pit of hell.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Words, they will hurt, but words can also help.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: They can heal.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: And and that's another thing about owners.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Owners are observing.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: So owners are making sure everything's operational, everything's aesthetically, everything's in place.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, that the wall's not caving in.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're taking care of the building, but they're also making sure that the people that are coming in and having the experience, that they're having the best experience possible.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: And they're also observing the people that are interacting with them.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: And so, to your point, like you need to call that out in people because people will walk in through your doors and not see the gift of God upon their lives, not see the abilities that they have.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so we want to lead them.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why here at Life Point, we lead people through our growth track.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because we want them to discover their purpose, we want them to be able to make a difference.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so sometimes people just don't see it themselves.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so, again, as an owner, you get to call out the ownership uh in others.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I'm telling I'm fired up, Pastor.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is good this is a good episode right here, Mike.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's good, it's good.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: We're probably gonna hear a lot more about this topic as our pastor shares more and more about the founder's mentality and just how this has stirred his heart.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm excited.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I know our teams for sure are going to be hearing more about it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: You and I have been having conversations.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: We we we you and I we were talking through development tracks based and rooted in this for sure.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Again, those of you that that do lead teams, get the founder's mentality.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: That is the name of the book, founders mentality.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: It it will bless you personally and it'll it'll definitely bless your ministries.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Kudio.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, well, thanks for joining us today.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time, peace out.