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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in again.
- 0:06Speaker 2: Oh, let's you Gilmore Girls Gazette with Amy Sugarman and
- 0:20Speaker 2: Danielle Romo, an iHeartRadio podcast.
- 0:24Speaker 1: May your blessings keep you always, May your wishes all
- 0:27Speaker 1: come true. That's right, Braverman's Inn. It is time to
- 0:30Speaker 1: talk parenthood and what I thought Mark was a fantastic episode.
- 0:35Speaker 2: Oh my god, we disagree.
- 0:38Speaker 1: Get out of here.
- 0:39Speaker 2: First of all, great intro, really really really proud of
- 0:43Speaker 2: you for that geniusness. Stay tuned till the end because
- 0:47Speaker 2: I have an amazing menopause minute. This was not my favorite.
- 0:50Speaker 1: Wow, this is my best one yet that I've been
- 0:52Speaker 1: here for.
- 0:53Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I am stunned by that.
- 0:56Speaker 1: Let's start with Haley and Alex and that whole drama.
- 0:58Speaker 1: I love that she answers her cool little pink cell
- 1:00Speaker 1: phone from twelve. First, what am I doing? We need
- 1:03Speaker 1: to do a synopsis? Oh you know, I stick to
- 1:06Speaker 1: the fundamentals. People, Season two, episode thirteen.
- 1:09Speaker 2: First of all, I love them. Just anyone listening, just enjoy,
- 1:14Speaker 2: Just sit back and enjoy the messy ride we're on.
- 1:19Speaker 1: It's messy. Opening night, air Day, January eighteenth, twenty eleven.
- 1:23Speaker 1: Christine and Adam catch Hattie sneaking around with Alex and
- 1:26Speaker 1: forbid her from seeing him anymore. Sarah faces a new
- 1:29Speaker 1: challenge when Drew Telser he needs to sell five hundred
- 1:31Speaker 1: dollars with a wrapping paper. Meanwhile, Crosby and Jasmine have
- 1:34Speaker 1: to deal with Jabbar's bad case of stage fright right
- 1:36Speaker 1: before the school play. And that's what made me think
- 1:39Speaker 1: of it is because their cell phone was so twenty eleven.
- 1:41Speaker 1: That's why I had to go back and read the synopsis.
- 1:44Speaker 1: But I love the opening. First of all, that's a
- 1:47Speaker 1: fantastic scene, the confrontation on the front lawn. There he is,
- 1:51Speaker 1: there she is.
- 1:52Speaker 2: Yes, that was that. Yes, the episode started off.
- 1:56Speaker 1: The parents coming bursting through the front door.
- 1:58Speaker 2: Well, first of all, she's like waiting for them to leave,
- 2:01Speaker 2: and then they.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Leave, Max forgot.
- 2:03Speaker 2: They come back, and you know, she tries to run
- 2:05Speaker 2: out and it's just like ooh, and then and sort
- 2:08Speaker 2: of the drama of it, and then Michael B. Jordan's
- 2:11Speaker 2: reaction like.
- 2:12Speaker 1: You're unbelievable, and then he walked off. But they're all
- 2:15Speaker 1: on top of each other. It's a classic Parenthood kind
- 2:17Speaker 1: of improv scene.
- 2:18Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that was really good. Good, Yeah, I was
- 2:22Speaker 2: in I have some flags on the rappet.
- 2:25Speaker 1: We'll get to that. So then Haley goes to Camille.
- 2:28Speaker 2: Well, and you teed me up to not like the play.
- 2:31Speaker 1: But I was so delighted by the plan. But we'll
- 2:33Speaker 1: get to that too. But so Hattie goes to Camille,
- 2:37Speaker 1: has a moment that I like, I have to go
- 2:39Speaker 1: to school.
- 2:41Speaker 2: And the grandma did the right thing. You know. Look,
- 2:44Speaker 2: I think Christina tends to be a little not so
- 2:48Speaker 2: nice to Camille, typical mother in law daughter in law situation.
- 2:54Speaker 2: But Christina chill out.
- 2:56Speaker 1: Well and then chilling out she and Adam go home
- 2:59Speaker 1: and take the door offer bedroom.
- 3:02Speaker 2: That was so aggressive and also like, like you can
- 3:06Speaker 2: tell by their faces that like, do we even believe what.
- 3:08Speaker 1: We're doing here?
- 3:09Speaker 2: Well, and what's that solving?
- 3:11Speaker 1: Right? We've dug a hole and now we're just going
- 3:13Speaker 1: to keep digging.
- 3:13Speaker 2: Right, She didn't just like what right? I'm not totally
- 3:17Speaker 2: sold on their parenting.
- 3:18Speaker 1: But so then the Christina and Camille confrontation. Christina gets
- 3:22Speaker 1: all mad that Hattie confided in her, which I understand
- 3:24Speaker 1: there's jealousy there that Hattie went to someone else. Now,
- 3:28Speaker 1: to me, the peak of the show the peak of
- 3:32Speaker 1: the shows that I've been watching. The scene with Alex
- 3:35Speaker 1: and Adam in Adam's office that was as good as
- 3:39Speaker 1: it gets. A phenomenal scene, two masters of their craft
- 3:43Speaker 1: at the height of their abilities going at it. The
- 3:46Speaker 1: sheer brilliance of Michael B. Jordan and Peter Crawse in
- 3:49Speaker 1: that scene blew me away.
- 3:50Speaker 2: First of all.
- 3:51Speaker 1: I know.
- 3:53Speaker 2: And here's why I know, because it made me google
- 3:57Speaker 2: what is Peter Krause working on? Because I'm so upset
- 4:01Speaker 2: that he was killed off nine one one. I find
- 4:03Speaker 2: it to be like an insane move, like almost of
- 4:08Speaker 2: the fact that I'm like, I don't buy it, like
- 4:10Speaker 2: that the director, creator whatever he is, is like, it
- 4:15Speaker 2: was a choice. We wanted to kill off a major character. Wait,
- 4:18Speaker 2: you wanted to kill off your best character, like and
- 4:21Speaker 2: Peter Krausa. They all say like, no, Peter didn't want
- 4:24Speaker 2: to leave. But I'm like, it's so crazy they did that.
- 4:29Speaker 2: I digress. So I was like, what's he working? I
- 4:32Speaker 2: need him to have a new show because he's, oh
- 4:34Speaker 2: my god, nothing right now, He's still an executive producer
- 4:37Speaker 2: of nine to one one, But my thing is he's
- 4:39Speaker 2: They're so good and Michael Beach Jordan is just like
- 4:45Speaker 2: he's so good in this show. But also the character
- 4:50Speaker 2: is so like confident despite the like challenges he had
- 4:56Speaker 2: that you really are like you respect him, and you're like,
- 5:00Speaker 2: why don't you get that Adam Braverman, like, why don't
- 5:03Speaker 2: you get that this guy is so much better than
- 5:05Speaker 2: the ex boyfriend that you let her date that slept
- 5:09Speaker 2: with the.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Cousin agreed, Now, I get it, my daughter, he's older,
- 5:13Speaker 1: private apartment, I get all that stuff. But he knows
- 5:16Speaker 1: he's messed up.
- 5:17Speaker 2: But just tell her it's not. You can't see this
- 5:22Speaker 2: totally classy, great guy that even Camille fully vouched for
- 5:26Speaker 2: right who she and she knows him have. I'm not
- 5:31Speaker 2: mad at parenting parenthood, but have a have a situation
- 5:37Speaker 2: that's tenable. Right Just telling your kid never drink is
- 5:41Speaker 2: just going to make your kids sneak out and drink.
- 5:43Speaker 2: And you know, behind the wherever if you say to
- 5:47Speaker 2: your kid, hey, we have concerns, here's why, and as
- 5:50Speaker 2: a result, we trust you. But you know you're ABC
- 5:55Speaker 2: whatever it is.
- 5:56Speaker 1: That's also a genius of this show. You would think
- 5:58Speaker 1: that after Adam talks to Alex, he would go to
- 6:01Speaker 1: her and say go to you know, maybe go to
- 6:03Speaker 1: what Christina and say, you know what, we should probably
- 6:06Speaker 1: reland on this. But no, he's sticking to his guns.
- 6:08Speaker 1: Can we had that talk with Christina? You think Christina'd
- 6:11Speaker 1: be like, yeah, maybe he is okay, But no, they
- 6:13Speaker 1: got to stick to their guns.
- 6:15Speaker 2: Because they're parenting out of fear instead of trusting their kid,
- 6:18Speaker 2: who's such a good kid.
- 6:20Speaker 1: But also, it's hard to admit you're wrong when you're
- 6:22Speaker 1: a parent. That is such a hard thing. But is it?
- 6:26Speaker 1: Think it is? Though it is and I I came
- 6:29Speaker 1: around on that and I'm pretty good at it now.
- 6:31Speaker 1: But I think that's what Christina going through. What are
- 6:35Speaker 1: we going to do now? We're even to each other that.
- 6:37Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like being wrong, being wrong is okay,
- 6:41Speaker 2: Like if I'm going to teach you a lesson of
- 6:43Speaker 2: the day because I'm so wise, like it's okay to
- 6:47Speaker 2: be wrong. I would be so happy for them to
- 6:50Speaker 2: be right. Yes, do you know what I'm saying? Like
- 6:52Speaker 2: where they go, hey, we we didn't get this one
- 6:56Speaker 2: right because we're first time parents too, that's it, do
- 7:00Speaker 2: you know what I mean? This is the first time
- 7:01Speaker 2: they've ever had a sixteen year old whatever she is, yeah,
- 7:04Speaker 2: sixteen because she was learning to drive and fix it.
- 7:09Speaker 2: I find Sarah Braverman to be better, not that as
- 7:13Speaker 2: a parent to be like, oh, I got it wrong,
- 7:15Speaker 2: let me get it right. I got it wrong with
- 7:17Speaker 2: men with the singing, you know, like, first of all, where,
- 7:20Speaker 2: by the way, where was Julia? Was Julia even in
- 7:23Speaker 2: this episode?
- 7:24Speaker 1: Yeah? Not much.
- 7:25Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing her one time. Maybe one time
- 7:28Speaker 2: she went into the sure the play and maybe she
- 7:31Speaker 2: went into one rehearsal or something. I don't even remember. No,
- 7:35Speaker 2: not enough Julia for me.
- 7:46Speaker 1: After weeks and months of this play being an absolute mess,
- 7:48Speaker 1: it is now the most elaborate, complicated school play in history.
- 7:52Speaker 1: They have props, they have music, they have costumes, they
- 7:55Speaker 1: have special effects. There's running water on the stage. I mean,
- 7:58Speaker 1: it's insane in their production value.
- 8:01Speaker 2: Well, not a great play. I'm like, is that good?
- 8:04Speaker 2: I don't really get it. I don't get it, like
- 8:06Speaker 2: she Marilyn, I guess it's the history of California something yeah,
- 8:10Speaker 2: and jabbar and so like, okay, sorry to well. But
- 8:16Speaker 2: the one thing I do like is that Crosby is
- 8:20Speaker 2: expressing himself quite clearly as to why he wants Jabbar
- 8:25Speaker 2: to try again, and Jasmine is also expressing herself clearly
- 8:30Speaker 2: she's not wrong, like, hey, he's in kindergarten, Like do
- 8:33Speaker 2: we have to push him on this one? That's sort
- 8:36Speaker 2: of one of those parenting situations where you're like, you're
- 8:39Speaker 2: both right. Probably Crosby's like a little bit more right,
- 8:42Speaker 2: you know, like, Okay, I get it. We don't need
- 8:44Speaker 2: to push our kids all the time.
- 8:46Speaker 1: And Zeke saying him, come on, now, what are you doing.
- 8:49Speaker 1: You're you're the boss too, and then Crosby saying it's
- 8:53Speaker 1: a partnership and Zeke saying, god, that sounds dreadful. I
- 8:57Speaker 1: thought that was such a great lie.
- 9:01Speaker 2: Speak. That's been kind of awesome in like the last
- 9:04Speaker 2: three or four episodes butting in as a parent and
- 9:08Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm here for it, Like I'm here for it. Also,
- 9:13Speaker 2: the thing that I did love about this episode was
- 9:15Speaker 2: Sydney's negota.
- 9:17Speaker 1: Yes, that was great.
- 9:19Speaker 2: I'm like that little kid, yeah, her mom, and it's
- 9:23Speaker 2: kind of awesome. And Joel's like, no, Sydney, we're not
- 9:26Speaker 2: doing that, and yeah, Shepherd's like I'll play, I'll play. Yeah.
- 9:31Speaker 2: That was cute. And also that made me not feel
- 9:33Speaker 2: bad for her, So I thought it was like effective,
- 9:36Speaker 2: Like I think I would have had sort of oh no,
- 9:37Speaker 2: you just took her part away. But in this case,
- 9:40Speaker 2: I didn't have to feel bad and I could be
- 9:42Speaker 2: happy for Jabbar because it was cool with it.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Another example, really into the show, they've taken the time
- 9:47Speaker 1: to develop the character of Sydney that she's wants to
- 9:51Speaker 1: be on stage. She wants to spotlight. As soon as
- 9:53Speaker 1: you borrow out, she's right in there and she's just
- 9:55Speaker 1: like her mom with the negotiation. How many shows have
- 9:57Speaker 1: the time to develop.
- 9:58Speaker 2: A kid correct And she's so like aasure doing business
- 10:00Speaker 2: with you, Like, you don't have to feel bad like that,
- 10:02Speaker 2: this kindergartener got her heart taken away. You're like, I'm fine,
- 10:05Speaker 2: it's fine, All is fine, and yea Jabar. Although here's
- 10:08Speaker 2: the thing I don't totally like. Of all the things
- 10:12Speaker 2: I remember in the episode, the play is sort of
- 10:15Speaker 2: like was that the end? I don't really remember.
- 10:17Speaker 1: It, just like I thought this was so great. They're
- 10:19Speaker 1: walking back to the car after the play and Drew
- 10:22Speaker 1: didn't like the play very much, and Sarah calls him
- 10:24Speaker 1: al Roker for his bad review, and they often be
- 10:27Speaker 1: like Al Roker's not a movie he's not a critic,
- 10:29Speaker 1: He's a weather man. Like was that in the script?
- 10:32Speaker 2: Or I think they're met Leonard Malton or Roger Ebert
- 10:36Speaker 2: or Jans's skill. Wait, I missed so completely. I feel
- 10:40Speaker 2: like I don't know. Was I falling asleep? What happened
- 10:42Speaker 2: to me? I feel like I missed the very end.
- 10:44Speaker 1: Of the very casual conversation, like as they're walking across
- 10:47Speaker 1: the parking lot, it seemed very off the cuff to me,
- 10:49Speaker 1: and maybe it was I don't know, and that was no,
- 10:51Speaker 1: And then and then they get back to the car
- 10:54Speaker 1: and I don't I don't remember.
- 10:57Speaker 2: Right something see episode was? I know you love it?
- 11:00Speaker 1: But is it at that point that they find out
- 11:02Speaker 1: that Zeke bought all the wrapping paper? I think, maybe, yes,
- 11:05Speaker 1: so much.
- 11:05Speaker 2: Sorry you are, and he gives that wink. But here's
- 11:08Speaker 2: my flaw on that. But under their money troubles, Zeke
- 11:13Speaker 2: and Camille, remember they had the building he bought, and
- 11:17Speaker 2: you know ed Julia's ex boyfriend, the guy from Scandal,
- 11:22Speaker 2: was like gonna buy it, and like all of a sudden,
- 11:25Speaker 2: that just went away.
- 11:26Speaker 1: Always gonna spend on your grandkids.
- 11:29Speaker 2: Correct, but five hundred bucks for all the wrapping paper,
- 11:31Speaker 2: I get it, But like, are we just over their
- 11:34Speaker 2: money problems? It seems like that storyline has vanished and
- 11:36Speaker 2: I'm fine with it.
- 11:37Speaker 1: I didn't need it.
- 11:38Speaker 2: And it was like annoying. Do you notice how they
- 11:40Speaker 2: work in a lot uh the time? You know, they're
- 11:44Speaker 2: very clear that this was a recession in America, and
- 11:48Speaker 2: they do that a bunch with the shoe, the whole thing.
- 11:51Speaker 2: It's like very clear, like and maybe because that was
- 11:54Speaker 2: such a big thing, then it's the one thing watching
- 11:58Speaker 2: back though that you're like, we're there.
- 12:01Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted very badly to be every family, just
- 12:03Speaker 1: a random every family.
- 12:04Speaker 2: Is that recession from the like when the housing crisis
- 12:07Speaker 2: happened with all those short sales or whatever that thing
- 12:09Speaker 2: where yeah, where it was like nobody could afford their
- 12:12Speaker 2: loans and it's a big old mess. They were giving
- 12:14Speaker 2: they were just handing out loans. You want a loan,
- 12:17Speaker 2: you got loan. You want alone, you don't have any
- 12:19Speaker 2: money to put down the mine, It's totally fine. Give
- 12:22Speaker 2: a dollar, just put give a dollar.
- 12:24Speaker 1: Like we got one of those We got one of
- 12:26Speaker 1: those loans.
- 12:27Speaker 2: You we did. I wish i'd nothing down. Yeah, you know,
- 12:31Speaker 2: I'm a thirty year fixed lady. I am now a
- 12:34Speaker 2: thirty years I always was, always, always was, always will
- 12:38Speaker 2: be thirty year fixed. I am not trying to gamble
- 12:42Speaker 2: with a home loan.
- 12:43Speaker 1: No agreed.
- 12:44Speaker 2: Let me tell you this, people, I can never move
- 12:49Speaker 2: because somehow I got a three percent loan.
- 12:51Speaker 1: Two we refined that in the pandemic, we got two.
- 12:56Speaker 1: We're stuck here for the rest of our lives.
- 12:58Speaker 2: Just live here forever because I cannot move. I cannot
- 13:02Speaker 2: afford seven percent. Correct, So I'm just like, Hope, I
- 13:09Speaker 2: like this place, but I go all right, Well, can't move,
- 13:12Speaker 2: so better put money into it. Like if something doesn't
- 13:14Speaker 2: you know, isn't quite.
- 13:15Speaker 1: Right, that's it.
- 13:16Speaker 2: I will die here. I told me, he said, just
- 13:23Speaker 2: take my dead body out of there. Hope it will
- 13:25Speaker 2: be one hundred. No, I can't move. Luckily I got
- 13:27Speaker 2: one story. You got one story, or two.
- 13:29Speaker 1: We got two stories.
- 13:30Speaker 2: Oh Grandpa, that's gonna be tough when you're ninety.
- 13:32Speaker 1: Yes, we'll see what happens.
- 13:35Speaker 2: Keep going.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Well. We kind of gave the ending away to Drew,
- 13:39Speaker 1: but you know he wants to buy the wrapper.
- 13:41Speaker 2: The wrapping paper was Here's why I liked it. Yeah,
- 13:44Speaker 2: I love almost said Lorlie, I love a Lauren Graham
- 13:47Speaker 2: drew everything.
- 13:49Speaker 1: Yes, but it was just like the wrapping January is funny.
- 13:53Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it was fine. It was maybe a
- 13:56Speaker 2: little long with the woman that was going to buy
- 13:57Speaker 2: the wrapping paper, but she doesn't celebrate, and it was like,
- 14:00Speaker 2: you've wasted a lot of your time and their.
- 14:02Speaker 1: Time, and then Adam's mad. She's trying to sell it
- 14:04Speaker 1: at work, and then Zeke's like you.
- 14:06Speaker 2: Right, although every other person was selling their junk of book,
- 14:09Speaker 2: I was. I didn't even know she still worked there.
- 14:12Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird. I like the movement. When Zeke said
- 14:15Speaker 1: to Sarah, hey, you're late with your rent and Sarah said,
- 14:17Speaker 1: I don't pay rent and he says, really you should
- 14:19Speaker 1: pay rent more. Zeke classic z.
- 14:23Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great. I missed Billy Baldwin. I'm not like crazy.
- 14:27Speaker 1: I'm not missing Bill Baldwin. I'm good, I'm fine. I'm
- 14:30Speaker 1: fine with see.
- 14:31Speaker 2: Poor Alec in the Don't Tell Me Steven Baldwin crashed
- 14:35Speaker 2: the rain drover. Seems like everyone was fine. They swerved
- 14:39Speaker 2: some sort of It didn't seem like dramatic like there
- 14:42Speaker 2: was some you know, like Red Herring or something. Is
- 14:46Speaker 2: that the same smoking gun?
- 14:48Speaker 1: Perhaps is a Baldwin moment also a part of the show.
- 14:50Speaker 1: They have the menopause minute and the Baldwin check went on.
- 14:53Speaker 2: I mean the Baldwin moment is like very connected to
- 14:56Speaker 2: it as well. I know we we did get one
- 14:59Speaker 2: review of people saying too many tangents, but we got
- 15:05Speaker 2: another refuse saying I love them just talking about random craft.
- 15:10Speaker 2: Who do I please? Left or right? So I guess
- 15:12Speaker 2: I just go in the middle.
- 15:14Speaker 1: But also, this is Amy, this is who Amy is.
- 15:16Speaker 1: If you're in a meeting with her, there's tangents galore.
- 15:19Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I don't live in a straight line.
- 15:22Speaker 2: I go. Yeah, I got a lot to say about
- 15:25Speaker 2: a lot of things. What storyline have we skipped? I'm
- 15:27Speaker 2: still gonna go with. This episode is only okay, This
- 15:31Speaker 2: episode is only okay. Let me give the quick menopause
- 15:34Speaker 2: minute will really only be one minute because I have
- 15:35Speaker 2: another meeting last night went to the Shawn Mendez concert.
- 15:38Speaker 2: Texted you because I didn't know Shawn Mendes was still
- 15:41Speaker 2: such a thing. Let me tell you, Mark, he's a thing.
- 15:43Speaker 2: He's a massive thing, seven thousand people, just massive. Walking
- 15:47Speaker 2: back to the car, got a hurry because now I'm
- 15:49Speaker 2: one minute late to the meeting, walking on dirt because
- 15:52Speaker 2: it's been muddy and rainy.
- 15:53Speaker 1: Here.
- 15:54Speaker 2: My one leg went down into a little bit of
- 15:57Speaker 2: a hole and I thought, WHOA, didn't fall recovered, walked
- 16:02Speaker 2: on like no problem, didn't even say out, just went WHOA.
- 16:06Speaker 2: That was weird. Drove one hour home. By the time
- 16:09Speaker 2: I got home, I thought my leg is sort of
- 16:10Speaker 2: really hurt. By midnight, no camp sleep because the leg
- 16:17Speaker 2: is completely messed up. And I believe this is menopause.
- 16:21Speaker 2: Things that I could have recovered from at twenty, like
- 16:24Speaker 2: a champ. Not so much everybody's asking that, not that
- 16:30Speaker 2: I can see, but like also menopause, Like I don't
- 16:33Speaker 2: have bone thin thighs anymore. So No, Black and Blues
- 16:38Speaker 2: took some ad built ice in it. I'll give you
- 16:40Speaker 2: an update next week. Don't let me forget.
- 16:41Speaker 1: Thank you for this episode.
- 16:44Speaker 2: Oh eight point nine. No, I'm gonna give it a
- 16:50Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a eight point nine.
- 16:53Speaker 1: Wow. May you stay forever. Braverman's out.
- 16:58Speaker 2: Bring that energy.
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