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INTERVIEW: Caleb Plant Talks Fight Vs. McCumby, Beef With Jermall Charlo & Edgar Berlanga, Rematching Canelo + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess, Hilariy, Charlamage the guy. We
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  Speaker 3: are the Breakfast Club. Jess's on maternity leave, so we
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  Speaker 3: have Lord La Rossa and of course we got our
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  Speaker 3: brother act with us. This morning. We got a special
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  Speaker 3: guest in the building. We have Caleb Plant. Welcome, brother, man.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going. How you feeling man? Feeling good?
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  Speaker 2: Feeling good? What's happening? Brother? Let's talk about you a
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  Speaker 2: little bit man. How'd you get your start in boxing?
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  Speaker 4: Well, my dad was a fighter when he was younger,
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  Speaker 4: and so, you know, naturally wanted to open that door
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  Speaker 4: for me, and you know me wanting to you know
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  Speaker 4: a lot of young boys want to be like their
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  Speaker 4: dad when they grow up. And just took to it
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  Speaker 4: right away, and him and my granddaddy got put a
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  Speaker 4: little money together to open up like a little gym
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  Speaker 4: and was in there from like two forty five to
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  Speaker 4: like ten thirty at night, like six days a week.
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  Speaker 1: Loved it.
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  Speaker 5: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I started on as nine, Yeah, that's why I like
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  Speaker 4: organized competing. When I was nine years old. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: all I wanted to do. And at first I started kickboxing,
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  Speaker 4: and I had five world titles and non national titles
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  Speaker 4: and kickboxing, but I was like boxing simultaneously. So like
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  Speaker 4: one weekend, my dad would drive me to Atlanta one
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  Speaker 4: week and my dad would we drove Chicago, drive to
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  Speaker 4: Virginia Beach.
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  Speaker 1: He was just driving me everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: But then when I got to seventeen, I was like, man,
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  Speaker 4: I don't really want to kickbox anymore, and there's no
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  Speaker 4: money in kickboxing. I don't want to do anything else,
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  Speaker 4: so I just want to do boxing.
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  Speaker 6: So you used to probably fight a lot, even outside
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  Speaker 6: of the ring or outside of like organized competition.
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  Speaker 4: I mean in a couple, just a couplet, lost came,
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  Speaker 4: but just a couple.
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  Speaker 5: But Tennessee, I mean not known for fighters. When did
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  Speaker 5: you realize I could really be something that sport maybe
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  Speaker 5: put Tennessee on the map as far as boxing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I maybe I was delusional, but I felt
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  Speaker 4: like when I was nine, like I was like, man,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be this this.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm going to be this one day.
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  Speaker 4: And even in like middle school, like I would practice
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  Speaker 4: my signature on a piece of paper like fill up.
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  Speaker 4: The whole thing would come around and be like what.
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  Speaker 1: Are you doing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm practicing my autographs. She's like for what.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm gonna make it a boxing one day.
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  Speaker 4: She's like, you need to play.
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  Speaker 1: And b.
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  Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I always felt like, man, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: make it big one day.
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  Speaker 3: Who did you look up to?
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  Speaker 2: Boxing wise?
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  Speaker 4: When he was growing up, looked up to Floyd andre Ward,
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  Speaker 4: and then like older fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard, uh
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  Speaker 4: welfraid O Benita Is, James Tony Hector Camacho, and then
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  Speaker 4: like even older like and Georgie Benton and people like that.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a long list of guys that I've been
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  Speaker 4: you know, watching over the years, trying to still moves
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  Speaker 4: from and take them and make them my own and
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  Speaker 4: just you know, be a complete fighterself. Yeah, I got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of long lists of people that I respect
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  Speaker 4: throughout the game.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you had to fight this week, and what did
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  Speaker 3: you think of the fight last week? And I should
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  Speaker 3: say Cadelo Berlanga.
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  Speaker 4: I just thought it was kind of a one sided woman.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he might have won maybe a round, so,
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  Speaker 4: but a lot of people expected Berlanga to probably get stopped,
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  Speaker 4: you know, halfway along, you know, halfway through the fight,
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  Speaker 4: round six, round eight, something like that. So you know
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  Speaker 4: he made it through.
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  Speaker 2: So were you surprised about your fight?
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  Speaker 6: You tought to McCombe, you know, were you surprised at
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  Speaker 6: how he started to fight in game momntum after he
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  Speaker 6: knocked you down.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, no one goes into a fight like I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna get an eight count, but I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was locked in. We were taking them serious. You know.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like in today's game, it's like a popularity contest.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you're not like the most don't have
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  Speaker 4: the most followers, or you're not the most known, people
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  Speaker 4: will call you a bum. But you know, we knew
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  Speaker 4: he was athletic, undefeated. You know, this was his big
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  Speaker 4: moment and he was coming to put it on the line.
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  Speaker 4: And at the end of the second round he caught
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  Speaker 4: me with a pretty good shot. And then in round four,
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  Speaker 4: I got caught on the shoulder, fell down and they
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  Speaker 4: gave me an a count. But I wasn't really tripping
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  Speaker 4: because I wasn't hurt or anything like that. So I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 4: just stay cool and just keep doing what you're doing,
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  Speaker 4: and then uh try to just switch up the game plan.
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  Speaker 4: Took it to the inside. He was like wild erradic,
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  Speaker 4: you know, swinging crazy, like bull rushing me and stuff,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, kind of hard to like read things.
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  Speaker 1: So took it to the inside and from there, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, people saying that your fight was the most entertaining
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  Speaker 5: of the night. You know, a lot of people saying
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  Speaker 5: that is that important to you to please the crowd?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you're known for it to be
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  Speaker 5: a slick boxer, but but that was an entertaining fight.
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  Speaker 5: Is that important to you?
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  Speaker 1: It's not. Really.
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  Speaker 4: It's important to me to stick to the game plan.
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  Speaker 4: You know, It's important to me to listen to my coaches,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, I got you know, today's boxing is
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  Speaker 4: filled with a lot of pe teachers, you know, but
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  Speaker 4: I have real boxing teachers and people who studied the game.
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  Speaker 4: Pe teachers, yeah, pe teachers, you know, people with the
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  Speaker 4: whistle on the stopwatch don't teach boxing, you know. And
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  Speaker 4: but I have that my dad bread and I trust them,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's why they're in that position. So the
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  Speaker 4: game plan was a stick and moving box and then
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  Speaker 4: maybe stepped to him a little later on. But once
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  Speaker 4: I realized that things were a lot less erradic on
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  Speaker 4: the inside. I took it to the in the fourth round,
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  Speaker 4: I stepped to them a little bit on the inside
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  Speaker 4: and I came back to the corner. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 4: that's where I need to be. And Bread was like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you gotta trust me, but we're gonna be on the inside.
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  Speaker 4: The rest of the fight, him and my dad were
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  Speaker 4: saying that, I'm like, cool, that's I felt.
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  Speaker 1: The same way.
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  Speaker 4: So and that was the That was the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the difference answer, you know the answer, that's what needed
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  Speaker 4: to be done. And you know we were all on
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  Speaker 4: one accord. So uh, that's what it's about.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I had been telling you guys over the last eighteen months,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I really been working on smoothing the edge
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  Speaker 4: of my game and being the most complete fighter or being,
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  Speaker 4: and that I'm the most complete fighter that I've been yet.
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  Speaker 4: And then it was nice to be able to go
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  Speaker 4: out there and show that.
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  Speaker 2: How do you know when to pivot in a fight?
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  Speaker 5: Though?
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  Speaker 6: Look, at what point do you need to get knocked down?
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  Speaker 2: Or do you when you're down in the cards?
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  Speaker 4: Like I mean, it could be for numerous reasons, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just felt in that moment, specifically speaking, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it just felt like the way he was bull rushing
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  Speaker 4: and being like I said, erratic and unorthodox, unconventional.
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  Speaker 1: It was just.
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  Speaker 4: It just seemed like that that was the right move.
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  Speaker 4: And then when I came back to the corner, they
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  Speaker 4: were telling me the same thing. So then like once
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  Speaker 4: they reinforced that, I'm like, that's what I.
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  Speaker 1: Need to do. And so it just depends.
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  Speaker 4: There could be a million different reasons why maybe you
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  Speaker 4: get hurt, you know, maybe you're down on the cards,
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  Speaker 4: maybe in this situation where he was like being unconventional.
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  Speaker 4: It could be for numerous reasons. But that's why it
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  Speaker 4: pays to be you know, well rounded and you know,
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  Speaker 4: be able to be slick and move and box and
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  Speaker 4: stand your ground or move and then also to be
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  Speaker 4: able to you know, fight in the pocket.
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  Speaker 7: So every time you walk into a fight, is your
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  Speaker 7: goal to knock somebody or is it just to get
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  Speaker 7: through the fight? Like what's the uh, just.
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  Speaker 4: Stick to the game plan and if the knockout comes,
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  Speaker 4: it comes. Like in twenty twenty two, I had you know,
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  Speaker 4: k O the year against Anthony drel But it's not
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  Speaker 4: a shot that I was looking for. It's just you know,
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  Speaker 4: the best knockouts come when you're not looking for it.
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  Speaker 2: So I was waiting for you to ask a question.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, why was I finishing.
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  Speaker 7: What you're getting at?
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  Speaker 5: Because that method.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just asking a question. Why you're so quiet?
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  Speaker 3: I was waiting.
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  Speaker 7: I'm learning his story as I'm sitting here.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, you guys have some drama leading up to the fight,
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  Speaker 5: and on the press card ference where for those that
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  Speaker 5: don't know, Canelo kind of gave me a shot saying
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  Speaker 5: I'll take care of him for you. Is he still
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  Speaker 5: on your radar? Like with that performance, do you think
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  Speaker 5: it's a it's a big fight you against Berlanga.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like it would. You know, the
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  Speaker 4: fans would be excited to see it, and you know
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  Speaker 4: he's one of the bigger names and the Superman aweight division,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm always looking to, you know, get in there
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  Speaker 4: with people who have big names or are big challenges.
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  Speaker 3: And so he called your hater when he was up there,
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  Speaker 3: he said that when you had your time to shine,
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  Speaker 3: he never disrespected you and he said now it's just
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  Speaker 3: his time. He said that you were a hater and
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  Speaker 3: saying him for a fighter.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Khalie Plant, he said you are an unworthy
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  Speaker 6: challenger for Canelo. He said you got a weak chin,
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  Speaker 6: lack of experience, and poor technical boxing skills. He said,
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  Speaker 6: you have no experience against genuine, world class opposition, and
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  Speaker 6: you struggled against the marginal competition that your promoters have
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  Speaker 6: carefully selected for.
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  Speaker 2: You to maintain your unbeaten record. What do you say
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 1: He's a hater period, He's a guy.
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  Speaker 8: He had his see you know, it was a thing
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  Speaker 8: with him, right And I told him when I seen him,
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  Speaker 8: when I seen him in Vegas, I said, y'all got
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  Speaker 8: a lot of respect for you because you've been at
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  Speaker 8: that level. And I'm saying, even though you lost, but
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  Speaker 8: you've been at that level. Like you fought Canelo, you
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  Speaker 8: fought Benavidez, and I got to give you that respect.
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  Speaker 2: You got it.
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  Speaker 8: You got to that level for me. But I feel
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  Speaker 8: like now he clout chasing you for me. He's doing
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  Speaker 8: a lot of weird shit just to just to be
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  Speaker 8: relevant again for me, because I feel like, and a
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  Speaker 8: lot of people know, dude, don't sell you for me.
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  Speaker 8: He don't soun less he unless he's finding a big,
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  Speaker 8: a big fighter you for me. So I'm like you
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  Speaker 8: a hater, bro, because when it was your time to shine,
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  Speaker 8: when it was your time to step in every with
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  Speaker 8: kind of low and all these guys.
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  Speaker 1: I never bashed you.
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  Speaker 5: I never said nothing about you. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 8: I let you have your moment, but you didn't take
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  Speaker 8: your opportunity for me.
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  Speaker 2: You lost.
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  Speaker 1: You're knocked out.
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  Speaker 5: So how did that? In Vegas? I saw you guys
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  Speaker 5: going back and forth in a clip that went viral,
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  Speaker 5: and you said you was giving him respect. So how
• 9:34
  Speaker 5: did it turn into you guys going back and forth?
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  Speaker 5: Because what did he say to you? What was his
• 9:39
  Speaker 5: because you're.
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  Speaker 8: Broadt the end of the day, I'm I'm a dude man,
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  Speaker 8: right Like I'm from I'm from New York. I'm from
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  Speaker 8: the trenches for me, So it's different how you come.
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  Speaker 1: You're going.
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  Speaker 8: If I'm giving you respect, you're gonna respect me for me.
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  Speaker 8: And I gave him that respect, but he just kept
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  Speaker 8: going and going and going with the YO.
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  Speaker 5: Well what's up, yo?
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna give me that fight? Yo? I'm like, now I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Focusing on some time.
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  Speaker 8: I got Canolo. He was talking, but forget about that.
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  Speaker 8: If you don't get Cana, what's up. I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 8: it's not I'm not even worrying about that. Like, I
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  Speaker 8: got a plan. We're sticking with that now. But he
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  Speaker 8: just kept going and going, Oh yeah, but what happened
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  Speaker 8: with the spawn? He's talking about spaw wing. I was
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  Speaker 8: like seventeen years old, and I'm like, but what happened
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  Speaker 8: in the sixth round? I fucked him up. I fucked
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  Speaker 8: you up, and I blew you on the sixth round
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  Speaker 8: with the body side you ran out the ring. He started, Oh,
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  Speaker 8: I'm all right, So that's when you know I got
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  Speaker 8: on my New York when.
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  Speaker 5: You were spawn.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, he was a pro already. Yeah, he was pro,
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  Speaker 8: and I just turned it up on him. You know
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  Speaker 8: what I'm saying, Like you know what? She went viral
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  Speaker 8: called me like, yo, he looks sounds like a real
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  Speaker 8: New York nigga.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I mean hit were girls?
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  Speaker 3: He said, he's married.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got the top of him.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, there you go stir Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That man.
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  Speaker 2: I was asking for her. That's why she was so quiet.
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  Speaker 1: I got a top.
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  Speaker 2: There you go me too, brother, There you go, marry again.
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  Speaker 3: Set up.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean.
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  Speaker 4: When I had my chance, like we were never around
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  Speaker 4: each other, so as far as him not hating, like
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  Speaker 4: we never talked, but really, I've just seen him at
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: the I mean Mungie away in and all of a
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  Speaker 4: sudden I looked up and you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: the focus was like on Canelo and them because it's
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  Speaker 4: their fight, and uh, he's standing right next to me,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, hey, what's up, man, how's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Da da da?
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, man, we need to make a
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  Speaker 4: big fight happen. You know, I'm sure you know it
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  Speaker 4: would be good for boxing, be good for the fans.
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  Speaker 4: And he was like, yeah, but I gotta fight already.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, cool, Well, you know, if
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: if it don't work out, we can fight, and if
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: it does work out, we can fight after, you know,
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  Speaker 4: whether you win or lose or whatever. And he's like
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: on his uh what does he say? His New York
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  Speaker 4: his bully shit or something like that. And I'm like, look,
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: I get it. You gotta fight either. If you don't
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  Speaker 4: get it, we can make it happen. And uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: da da da dah. He and he starts, you know,
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  Speaker 4: acting tough, and so you know, I'm not taking a
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  Speaker 4: step back neither, and then I'm like, well, let's get
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: the cameras over here and get it on, you know,
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: for the boxing interviewers, like, hey, if he fights Canelo,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to fight after.
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  Speaker 1: If he don't, then we're going to fight next.
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: And his daddy steps in front of him, and all
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  Speaker 4: my life on my boxing career, his dady steps in
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  Speaker 4: front of him said no, I don't say that on camera.
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  Speaker 1: He said quiet like that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, that gave me confidence because like
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  Speaker 4: if his dad was so you know, confident in his son,
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  Speaker 4: then just let him say yeah, even if he wasn't
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  Speaker 4: going to follow through and do it, like, why not
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: at least just say yeah for the cameras, even if
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: it was just for the cameras.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, I don't say that.
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  Speaker 6: So did you respect for him go up as a
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  Speaker 6: fighter seeing him go to difference with Canelo?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if that's like the.
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  Speaker 4: Is that like the level that we respect now, Like, oh,
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if he went around like as long as
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: he survived, you know, not really, you know, if a
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: real fighter. You know, I'm not here to brag about
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  Speaker 4: who lost the best against Canelo because that seems silly,
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  Speaker 4: but at the same time, like I won more. I
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  Speaker 4: definitely won more rounds, and I went out on my
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  Speaker 4: shield trying to win as opposed to you know, yip
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  Speaker 4: yapping the whole lead up and then just for the
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  Speaker 4: most part, keeping my hands in my back pockets the
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  Speaker 4: whole fight. And you know, he's the big bad wolf
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: who says he punches harder than Triple G.
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  Speaker 1: But he was the one getting walked down the whole fight.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like he's stuck and moved and boxed and
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  Speaker 4: used his skills. Canelo was just walking him down the
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  Speaker 4: whole fight.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 4: Especially once it's like eleven to one, you know, tend
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: to tend to nothing. Or in the eleventh round and you
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: have it won one round, it's time to like let
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: put it on the line, Like if you get stopped,
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: it's part of the game. You know how many legendary
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: fighters have been stopped. Roberto Duran has been knocked out,
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: Cole fell right on his face against Tommy. You know,
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali has been ben decked, like just go out
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: on your shield, like who cares? But his ego wouldn't
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: allow him to do that. You know, he'd rather stay
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: clean and pretty and so now I don't really respect that.
• 14:13
  Speaker 6: You fought Canelo and Benevidez, right, So so so who
• 14:16
  Speaker 6: win did that fight?
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: In your opinion, since you've been in there with both of.
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: Them, I think it's hard to say. You know, in big,
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: big fights like that, you know they have different styles. Uh,
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: you know, if Cannelo caught him with a big punch,
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: because you know, David has been dropped before. It was
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: he was off balance, but he has been dropped. But
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: if Canelo caught him and stopped him, you know, would
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: we all be like, man, I can't believe that, you know,
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody would say that.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: But if David, you.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: Know, got on Canelo and started flaring a lot, flirting
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: a lot, and you know, maybe in the later rounds
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: was able to you know, get some steam or some
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: momentum or something, I don't think we would be surprised either.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: So it's hard to say whoever's on that night, and
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: you know, whoever's got the best game play, whoever had
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: a good camp. You know, there's a lot of variables
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: that go into it that lead up to you know,
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: a fighter having a successful fight. You can there's a
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: lot it's.
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: You know, speaking of those two opponents, You've always been
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: somebody that wants to get your licked back, right, wants
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: to rematch your guys that you want to because you've
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: been talking about Canelo again.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Revenge or that.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you had the opportunity, right, because there was
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: obviously bad blood with Benavitez a lot, Canelo not so much.
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: You guys seem to be cool now, but that's the
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: bigger money fight. But deep down, what loss would you
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: want to avenge more?
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Well, Canlo has more hardware, and you know, for legacy
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: and uh, you know, putting like I would choose Canelo
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: because he's got more hardware. You know, he's got three
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: of the four belts.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: And they get checked at the end of that too.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, you know, can't No one ever got
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: mad for getting paid more either, you know so, But
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people put the emphasis on
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: the money when they fight Canelo, and you know, we
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: all got to get our bills paid. But money is
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: not like my number one reason why wild box. You know,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: I'm passionate about the sport. I'm a competitor, you know,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: I love boxing. Has done a lot of great things
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: for me. So the money is obviously on the list,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: but it's not at the top of the list. It's
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: the hard where the legacy, you know, the honor of
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: the glory. But I'd run it back with both of them.
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: In a rematch with Canelo. How do you like, what
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: do you do different? What do you improve, what do
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: you change?
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Well, I didn't have the best camp that that fight,
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: so would like to just be able to have a
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: better camp. And you know, experience isn't I've said this before,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: but experience isn't something you can borrow.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: It's not something you can buy. You know, you got
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: to go through the fire to get it.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: And since the Canelo fight, you know, I feel like
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: I've done that fighting Canelo, then Derrell, two time former
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: world champ, David ben a Vida's former two time world champ,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: and now you know this guy who was ranked number
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: nine in the WBAH, I feel like I have that experience.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: Is there a particular fight in your career did you
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: feel like best defines you as a fighter, Like if
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: you had to show somebody this is me as a boxer,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: this is which fight would that be?
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Well, my first world title fight against Jose U Scottighie.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I was an underdog going into that fight. You know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: I hadn't really like been able to properly introduce myself,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: and a lot of people were, you know, saying this,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: saying that I was gonna get beat, going to get stopped,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: and I wanted to you know, doing my thing that
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: fight become world champs. So either that or you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: this last fight, even though I got hit on the
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: shoulder with a and got an eight count. Uh and
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: then you know I got caught with a good shot
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: in round two. Other than that, hit me with a
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: couple of shots here and there. But that's boxing. You
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: know you're gonna get You're gonna get hit. But just
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: making that adjustment, you know, that'd probably be another.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: One cale if you feel like you got you have
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: to fight or just be with a chip on your shoulder,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: because you know, guys like Bernard in a past as
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: has said I'm never gonna let a white boy beat me,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: and the other black fighters have said that. So do
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: you feel like you have to be extra to prove
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: to yourself like I'm not a regular white boy.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like I have to be extra, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I think being yourself is you know how you get
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: furthest in life.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: But you get you get tested, like we all saw
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: you smacked.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: You, I respond. Is not me trying to be extra.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: That's just who I am, you know, and like but
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: because I don't think someone if someone's grabbing on your
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: face and you ask them to stop and they do
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: it again, and you know, then they're saying, you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: saying you know things about being a white boy, and
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: you know, in front of your peers, in front of
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: your wife. If you respond the way I did, that's
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: not being an extra, that's just you know.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: But do you feel like you're.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: With you because you're quiet so spoken?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. It's been like that my whole
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: life level. But like you know, I guess to your
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: point as motivation and you know, hopefully like by the
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: time I'm retired, you know, fight like a white boy
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: in something different, you know what I mean?
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: How do you know how do you notice flapping not
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: punch because the instinc would be to just throw a punch.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: In that moment, he was trying to treat me like
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: a little boy, so I treated him like a little boy, damn.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: So that was just you responding to what was happening
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: in the moment. That don't mean like it's going to
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: officially be like an actual fight with y'all.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I mean it can be. You know, he's in he
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: fights in one sixty I fight at one sixty eight.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: His last fight, he fight at a catchway to one
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: sixty three against a guy who fights at one forty seven,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and he came in at This is a lot of numbers,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: but he came in at like one sixty six, so
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: he even came in overweight on the catchway. So he's
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: a super middleweight at this point. So we could definitely
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: make a fight happen. You know, I he's going through
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: things in his personal life, and you know, I made
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: a statement saying like it whatever happened between us could
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: be set on the back burner for now. You know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: he's got things he's going through, Go handle that and
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: we can make a big fight happen until then. You know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I don't think it'd be right for me to like
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: continuously like have my foot on his neck or be
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: pressing him about certain things like he's got you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: enough on his plate, and you know he's got kids,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure we'd all like to see him get
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: hisself together and you know, go out and make a
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: decent living for his family.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: So is that you because I know you went through
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: stuff in your personal life like twenty fourteen with your
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: daughter and then losing your mom as well too, Are
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: you able to like be empathetic like that and remove
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: the boxer or the fighter because you've been through your
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: own things?
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Or I mean I could honestly like care less what
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: somebody's been through. That's not an excuse to not know
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: how to act. You know, boxing is a grown man sports,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: So if you're going to be in here, you're gonna
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: have to act like a grown man because there's grown
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: men in here, and if you act like a little boy,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: then one of us might treat you like a little boy.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: So if you need help, I'll be the help you need.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: You know, as far as whatever you're going went through it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: If you're not, if you can't hold it hold it
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: together well enough to just be out and about, then
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: you should be inside, you know, regardless of what you've
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: been through, because like you said, you know I've been through.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: We've all been through things, but we're not walking around
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: grabbing people by the face or not even that situation.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: With anybody face for you to slap them, because.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: I was like, he did like that and pulled on
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: my beard and I pushed them back, and I'm like, yo,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: what are you doing? Like don't I was mad, you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: don't ever grab me mam face again to and he
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: reached up and did.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: It right again.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: And you only grab someone by their face for two reasons.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Either one you want to fight them, or two you
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: don't think they're going to do anything, yeah, or.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Three hopefully hopefully be one of the first two.
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: Why Like that was not even an option, Like damn,
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: he was thinking, Oh god, how did you mentally stay
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: focused after you know, those those terrible optacles happened in
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: your life?
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Like how do you even just stay focused? I mean
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: not even forget fighting just to show up in the world.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because everything's so public too.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, at the end of the day,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you got two choices. You know, if something's going on,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: you can either keep going or you can quit. And
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: if you quit, you know, whatever situation you're in is
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: probably probably going to be like that forever, you know
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: what I mean, And it's always going to be messed up.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: You're always gonna wonder what if, but if you keep going,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: you know, who knows what will happen. And I guess
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I just always had like this voice in my head
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: that was like, if you keep going, it's gonna work out.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: If you keep going, you're gonna make it. If you
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: keep going, you know, things are gonna come together. And
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: so like I just kept listening to that, kept going,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: and there was no way that I could like allow
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: myself to live forever in the situation you know that
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I was in. You know, I need more than that,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: and just kept putting one foot in front of the other.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I guess, just don't quit either, quitter, you keep going, so.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely m now you fact, Joe had some words at
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: one time too, Yo.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: We uh we had how did you know that every day?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: In fact, you always get into it with boxes man like.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: This list.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that was based on Berlanga because you know
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: he's siding with Berlanga and him and Berlang had some dramas.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Yo. I seen him at the fight.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I was like headed to the back to the back
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: of the T mobile and he was walking this way,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: and uh, when we were walking past each other, I'm
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: not sure if he said something first, or if I
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: said something and he says something right back, or if
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: like we kind of caught each other out of the
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: corner of our eye and we both just turned around
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: and started like yapping at each other.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: But he must have been pretty bothered because you know
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: He didn't tell me I heard it, say about it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Well, then he's telling other people then. And I was
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: at con.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Yesterday and somebody came up to me and told me, like, Mayor,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: that's his manager.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: It's a business part, Okay.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: It was like yeah, this, that and the third fados mass.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I guess he must have been pretty pretty bothered for
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: everybody to find out.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: We were just walking by each other and he said,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: how does it feel having to get up off the
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: ground three times? Because I from the shoulder and the
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: other two times I just feel But he just randomly
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: said that you yeah, But which is weird because I
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: won and two of them one he caught me with
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: the decent shot, the other two like just fell, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: so like that's not really a flex to say, how
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: to feel good? Them off the ground three times? If
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I won, become a term champ. Stop the guy, your
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: guy lost every round, Like, what do you mean how
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: did it feel felt better than not getting my hand raised?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know how little old me could have all
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: them that bothered.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: But you know what, if you and Berlanga were a fight, though,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: like leading up to the fight, the press, there might
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: be some drama. You're knowing to swing on people out
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: the ring. You did it with connect load with y'allow,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: how bad would that press toward be with you and
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: ber Langer?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I never retaliated towards somebody who wasn't disrespectful, not even that,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: but like putting their hands on me or you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: being being trying to harass me or something like that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I don't know. I can't say.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Do they want you about that? About putting your hands
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: on people outside dring?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: My manager has like had a discussion with me, but
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: not in the sense of like you're not doing the
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: right thing. It's like, look, you know I know that
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: certain people have you know, it's like I know they're
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: starting it, but just be careful, just be smart.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: If the boxing commision doesn't find you for that, just
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: because it's still a business.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Right I mean, like, if I get in a fight outside,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: you don't get in trouble in boxing.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: You know, they don't care about that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Then the hands got to be ready to his weapons.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: That is not true. Okay, definitely not true.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: I've heard that so many times, Like, no, that's not true. Now,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: if you get in a fight and you hurt somebody
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: and then the judge sees that you're a professional boxer,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: you know, they could be like, hey, you can get
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: more trouble for that. But if you're defending yourself or
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: you know, self defense, like just because you're a boxer,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: you can't necessarily get in like more trouble as long
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: as you're in the right you know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: What do you feel working with somebody like a him?
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: And for all these he is right? Who was one
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: of the most powerful men in boxing for so many
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: years and to somebody he still is right. But obviously
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: his excellency Turkey Ali Chica has come into the sport
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: and poured so much money into it. You obviously we
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: saw the aj fighting uh in London and then Bud
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Crawford and who your friends were in LA Do you
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: like him for the sport and do you think like
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: guys like him and Alt can coax together and make
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: big fights together.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they can coexist. You know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Bob and now I've co existed Oscar and Al and
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Bob have co existed, so you know, I'm sure they
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: can all co exist with another guy jumping in.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: But do you like him for the sport? Yeah?
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, hey, if he's streating fighters well, if he's
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: paying fighters well, and you know, doing good bye the sport,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm going to be a that's good in
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: my book.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: You fight if he offered you, you know, on one
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: of his real season cars, would you work with Turkey
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: and fight on one of his cards?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I know that he works with Al.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: You know, he's had a couple of fighters over there,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: David Morrell and you know, but you know, I'm with
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Alan Luis, and you know, if he ever wanted me
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: on a show, you know I'd be open to that.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: He would just have to go do it the right way,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: and you know, we'd all have to come doing agreements
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and you know, be on one accurt because you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Alan Luis have taken good care of me for a
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: long time now.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so who's next for you, Mongia Burloga.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, the Berlanga or the Charlot fight
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: makes more sense. I think it's more exciting for boxing,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: more exciting for the fans.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I think one.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Of those, one of those two.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think, Charlotte?
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: I think Burlonga would be hot right now. I think
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: you and Berlonga would make a great card right now. Yeah, yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: I mean I like the ch'allo brother too, but Burlonga
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: is like hot right right now, both y'all right now, yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: it just makes sense for y'all to just makes sense
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: from a boxing fan perspective.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: That's what I would want to see.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I think so too.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, I know you're in New York. You
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: have a big fashion dude, like ye're doing a lot
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: of shopping. Oh boy, I've seen something on Instagram where
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: somebody's comparing you and Berlanga like your style because he's
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: from New York. So talk about that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You can talk about what.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: You know, like style, fashion like it's all like you
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: with you on that. So what you don't think he
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: can compete with you in that department?
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I mean probably just different styles. He likes to wear
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: like all designer. You know, I'm not really into that,
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: but I think passion for me just like stim from
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: probably not having any of that stuff when I was
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: a kid, and like you know, want of nice shoes,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: want of nice clothes, one of nicer things. But fashion
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: is something I've gravitated towards, you know, uh, even before,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: like I have the money to buy, like, oh you
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: know I like this style, I like that, and I
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: have my own clothing brand now, Revenge.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Tour, it's been doing stuff.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been doing real well, and you know, people
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: have really gravitated towards it and you know, probably feel
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: a connection to it in their own life. And then
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: also seeing that I actually have lived that life. You know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not just trying to make something cool for everybody
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: to want to buy, Like I'm a good representation of that,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, And so that's something I plan on,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: you know, running.
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  Speaker 6: Up What made you want to going to Revenge So
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: because I mean, to me, you've had a great boxing career,
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Like you don't dug nobody, You're getting there with whoever
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: the challenge is. So what makes you feel like you
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: know you're an underdog now? Who has to I guess
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: seek revenge.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Well, I thought of it after I lost to Canelo,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: like a coldon brand is something I've always wanted but
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: just had been sitting on a name, trying to see
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: which direction I wanted to go. And then after losing
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: to Canelo, I'm like, you know, I go from place
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: to place, stop to stop like a tour, so you
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: know I could right that wrong and you know, get
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: back at Canelo. But it's also like a representation in life.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not really just about my boxing career,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: but from where I started in life. You know, things
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: that I've been through, and you know, going from each
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: place stop to stop, so I can, you know, get
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: my revenge on life and not not not end up
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: where I started, you know, make a better way for
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: my family, make a better way for my children. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: you know, I feel like we can all relate to that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: You know, we've all been told no, we've all been
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: told we can't accomplish this or that because of what
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: we look like or where we're from, and you know
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: that motivates us to go out there and be like, no,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna get my revenge. I'm gonna show you what
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I can do. I'm gonna show you how far I
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: can run it up and take it. And so it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: not just about my boxing career, but it's about life
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: in general. You know, we've all had those things where
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: we can relate to that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: So, you know, suffering the loss obviously you've experienced that
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: big and big profile fights. What would you say to
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: aj after the big upset loss against uh Do? Why
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: this past weekend?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Just you know, take a little time for your family.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: He seems really motivated to keep going. He's already made
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: like two statements I think, So just get back in
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: the gym, you know, get back in the lab, get
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: back to work, you know, work on some of those
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: mistakes you were making, and uh come back.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of fighters in this era
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: when they lose, I don't know if they read too
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: much into social media and read too many comments and
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: start believing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: What people people. But that's just always been weird to me.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Like with Canelo, you know, I'll come back to real
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: even this fight, you know, come back it's like I
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: haven't really lost any confidence because it's like that's not
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: really how boxing works. You know, if you're a real
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: student of the game, and you look back through history,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: like all the top fighters have uh, you know, loss
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: and someone like aj who's win against you know, Big
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Smoke throughout his career, a lot of big time fighters.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes that's going to happen. And it's like
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: going to a national tournament as an amateur. You may
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: pull up and you think you're gonna win the whole
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: national tournament. You may lose in the quarterfinals, semi finals
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: for the first day, but then when you show up
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: to the next national tournament, you're like, I'm gonna win this.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: You know, these dudes beat me.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Do you think he could be three time world champion again,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Anthony Joshua.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't put it past them. And I
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: think that the wilder fighters a lot more interesting now,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: At this point, I mean, I think after this last.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Weekend or you know, whenever you thought, yeah Saturday, I
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: think it's back interesting again, you know, after.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Both of them losing. I guess that's that's what people
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: are basing it on in that fight that people always wanted.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I never understood like a fighter losing one
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: time and then he's like ruined for forever.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Like how could you.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a new era, you know, because back in
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: the eighties and nineties that yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I don't believe exist.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's how you lose.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: That's a big part too, not just about how you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: lose for sure.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: Like we watched him lose really bad to Ruise, really
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: bad to Dubois. Like Usic's fights was cool, right, but
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: those were some you're not You're not supposed to lose
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: that bad to Ruiz and Duba.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I will say, even though he lost them the
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: way he did, it wasn't like a twelve round butt
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: whooping where he's just like.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Was clearly out class for the whole fight.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like he's doing pretty good or it's
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: kind of even maybe he's up a little bit, and
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden he gets caught with the big
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: shot and he can't recover.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Dubai was a butt kicking from beginning.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the fight, but from the get go, it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: Was oh from the oh yeah, from hunt.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: It was just that he didn't recover from the first knockdown.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Seemed like he was tired and sluggish clinching. It wasn't
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: like an onslaught, but it just he wasn't there. Well,
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: so you've seen the clip though, the knockout.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen the clip, and I was like, man,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: he didn't hit him that hard, like, but I guess
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: he had been dropped before fifty pounds.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: He had already been dropped though, and so he was hurt.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: So three times before, right, Yeah, he got dropped three
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: times before that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Are there any active fighters the day that motivates you?
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm a I'm a boxing fan. So
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: you know, people like Terrence Crawford and you know, even
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Aero Spence. You know, he's a hell He's a hell
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: of a fighter, great fighter and a crazy hard worker.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I like, of course Stevenson some of these some of
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: these people do not like each other at all, So
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: I like Cassing, but they're all my friends.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: So, but Devon's a great fighter. Schcor's a great fighter.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Javonte, Terrence Crawford, Usick, Fury, Boots, Tennis uh, Stephan Folm, Scooter.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: It was a long list of Guy.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Erro though, because because of that one loss against Bud,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: it seems like everybody's writing a more flout. Even though
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: he's a hell of a fighter, he's a great fighter
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Canelo Canelo. I mean, sorry, Bud has been won in
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: a Canelo fight. Obviously you've seen it all over. How
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: does that fight play out?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I think, uh, some people like one hundred percent write
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: it off after the Israel fight. But that people again,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: some people I've seen quite a few comments calling him
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: a bum leading up to the fight, but he was
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Bilbil's leaves sparing partner for Canelo when bivi Canelo, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: if he's sparring Bil the whole camp.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: It's a decorated amateur that suppose got over.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Three hundred fights. Like I said, it's popularity contest.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: So now maybe he, uh, with a little more activity,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: he would have looked different in that fight, or maybe
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: stylistically he just didn't want to take as many chances.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: But Terrence definitely won that fight and even started to
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: pull away in the end.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: I thought, and I didn't think it was that close
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: to the way people said. I just didn't think, imagine
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: WF landed any really significant shots outside of the job
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: I thought Bud landed.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Indeed.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Indeed, well, Caleb gotta go, guys, you got a question.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was back when you talk about motivation. I
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: saw that you had posted the girl dad sneakers or
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: the fight the fighting shoes, the Kobe's talk about like
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: Kobe as a motivation because you talked about a lot
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: of boxers, but like you specifically said, he gave you
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: motivation for years. Oh yeah, So what what was that
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: motivation specifically? Like what from Kobe inspired you in your fights?
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Well, just like since I was a kid, like feeling
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: like studying the greats, you know, great to be great,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: to be successful, you know, you got to be intentional,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: and so just taking time to watch like every YouTube
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: video I could on certain certain athletes, certain coaches, certain artists,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: and you know, Kobe's dedication and sacrifice that he made
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: to get to where he got, you know, that's something
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: you got to tip your hat to and respect. And so, uh,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: just watching a lot of his motivational videos over the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: years and studying things that he implemented into, whether it
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: be physical recovery, his nutrition, what you know, numerous different
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: things like that. Uh, and want to put that my
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: arsenal in, you know, so that I can try and
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: be the best athlete I can.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, He's given me a lot of motivation. And then
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: obviously with Charlie and Aliyah and then the girl dad
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: who coming out. You know, I felt like could be
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: perfect timing too, you know, put all that together.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: Before you get out here. One last question, if you
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: can name your next three opponents with you know, no stipulations,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: you you know, in in that order.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Who would they be in order?
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Charlo or Berlanga and then the other one after that,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: and then Canela.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm, Charlo Berlanga, Canelo.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah or Berlango, Charloe Canelo, one of them or any
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: any three order, but those three. It could be in
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: any order.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, leb. We appreciate you for joining this this morning.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Caleb Plant.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, thank you.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: M hm.