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Personal Defense Is Constant Awareness · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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WFLAFM dot com. Ash Preston, it's time. We are joined by Charlie
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Strickland of the Talent Training Group and of course co host of Talent Outdoors.
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We just we had another good laugh in the break listening to it again parts
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of it. Yeah, yeah, this microphones a squeak. I'm in a
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little grease something. I got some women and I've noticed every week since that
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segment you've slid something in to the show every week mentioning Greece or lubrication or
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something. I don't. I don't listen to the show. So when you
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played the segment back on the break, because I was letting the dogs out
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while you were in the parking lot when you were playing it, I walked
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in. I said, Grant, what did he play? Because I tuned
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in just soon enough to hear you talking about the fact that you had done
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it. That's why are we listening. I said, well, I need
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to know what mess I'm fixing to walk into. Just expanding your audience,
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because I promise you people were laughing. Oh well I didn't. I didn't.
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I hadn't heard the segment since we did it, and it had me
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laughing all over again. And I forgot half that stuff we said because j
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D and I we don't go back and peruse our notes for the show very
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often, since they don't exist. We just walk in. Last week's show,
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we walked in, had nothing to talk about. We were completely confused,
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and I pulled up A I was just sitting there waiting on Grant to
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start whatever he does over there, and I pulled up Facebook Marketplace just as
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because my brain goes different places and found the funniest thing we've seen in a
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long time. And the whole first segment was about a boat, and we
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had in tease, what's likely to happen this weekend? Well, so we
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found this eight foot john But you gotta even listening to the show because there's
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an eight foot all well To John boat for sale, and that sucker's got
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a fifteen horse Johnson motor on the back of it. On an eight foot
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John boat, I think get on plane about half a second flat, sure,
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And it's got a single seat in it and no old boy has put
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arm rests on the seat for boat seat swivel seat with arm wrest I've never
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seen it before, custom belt right, And he's got this thing and he
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and his dog. Turns out we're all running in the same circles over that
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a way. Who would know that a bunch of rednecks know each other.
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And he's got a bird dog, same GSP just like mine. I think
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they're probably ken based to my last dog, Dolly. But so anyway,
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we get talking about it, and i'd send him a message on Facebook.
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I said, hey, man, I just want to give your heads up
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because you I know your local and somebody may call you and he said,
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man, I got to hear it, and so I said, give me
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email, emailed him the segment. He made a slide show on Facebook with
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slides of the boat out him duck hunting in the boat with Pooky his dog
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on o cheesey pond and all this stuff dog on he promoted, said I'm
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read Nick famous, and he was proud of the fact, and everybody,
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all our mutual friends on Facebook, making a big deal out of it.
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And I said, well, why don't you just come on the show this
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weekend. He said, I'm there, and so, uh, you know,
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I was worried about offending him, and uh, he's all about it.
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Heck, yeah, well he can't. And somebody said, you can't
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sell the boat now, and now it's famous, and anyway, it's gonna
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be fun. It's the stuff we come up on. So now I've had
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people suggest you that you need to do a segment on the show about you
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know, because I awarded him the Redneck of the Day Award and I made
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it up right on the spot. So now it's a thing. So now
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we've got to Now we have to follow up. It's it's a subdivision of
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Florida. Man, it's hard to find that stuff. I said, Oh,
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I can find this easy. No, it's hard to it's hard you
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shop, it's hard to find stuff that actually have comedy potential. You know
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something want, But did you know that had comedy potential? No, I
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mean it just it's you guys that made it funny. It was just there.
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And I went and I thought the photo had been photoshopped and shrunk down
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or something, or it was resized wrong. The dead gum hull number on
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the boat was a third as long as the whole boat. And I said,
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something's wrong with this picture. And I got looking at it, and
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that's why I got funny to me on the show. Yeah, it's all
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that advanced preparation we do all right. Time to talk personal defense with Charlie
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Strickland of the Talent Training Group. A couple of stories I want to just
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get you to reflect on that are in the news. One is small little
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town in Minneapolis, southeast of Minnesota. Oh, thank you for the Milky
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Way. You're welcome. The Lindside joke there, Yeah, I've had that
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saved, just waiting. Another Talent Outdoors reference there, the infamous reconstitution of
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a milky way bar from one thing to another, to another to another.
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Yeah, they hold up pretty good in the truck, that's anyway. So
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the show all Town, the entire police department quit, they all resigned,
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they all left, just fed up, fed up with everything that's going on.
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What happens as we see fewer and fewer people want to step into the
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shoes of being a law enforcement officer. Man, that's the thing now.
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And people come to me. I have young people come to me and go,
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you know, I think I want to go to the academy, and
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I go, really, you know, is that what you really want to
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do? You can't come up with anything better to do? And listen,
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They're always going to be good people that want to be soldiers. There's always
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going to be good people that want to be cops. Most of the people
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who want to be cops are good people and they have the best intentions.
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But depending on where you want to go into law enforcement and what the attitude
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of the community in that area is and what the potential feedback. So if
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you if you're in a protected class, hey have at it, go be
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a cop. What do you mean by that protected class? If you're a
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cis gendered Caucasian male like me and you. I assume you're a sister and
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you're married and got kids. Assume that's the case, at least for the
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most part, So I think you're a little pretty. But anyway, there's
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a there's always that, you know. And so seriously, though, if
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you are a heterosexual, white male, going into law enforcement is got has
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got to be a tough call nowadays, especially if you're a conservative, because
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you are going to be targeted as soon as you do something. And I
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don't care if you are to protect a class, if you're a minority,
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or you've got some alternative lifestyle or whatever, your LGBTQ, whatever, if
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you do something that the left is or the community decides was too far.
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The fact that you have put on the uniform means that you've become one of
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the force, one of these, one of them, one of them,
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and so they will go after you too. But you're less likely to have
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that happen if you have some qualifying exemption, which means you're not a white
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guy, particularly a conservative white guy. Now that varies depending on location.
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As you were in Seattle, I would go you need to just move out
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of Seattle much less to join the police force. Although they need help,
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they don't want it here locally, depending on you know, the agency.
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If you go outside of Leon County, I don't you know. I'm in
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Jackson County and we're good. We're good. You know, every elected official
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leveator's Republican now and the community is what it is. And do they have
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all the officers serving in the Sheriff's department, all the deputies that they need.
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I don't know. I'm just curious if this thing has any I don't
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think. I don't think they're having any trouble finding people to work over there
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and find indecent the people I've seen come and go. It's a young force.
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But you know, the sheriffs I think on the second term, and
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you know, he's changed the agency, and the community supports what they're doing,
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and they need that support. I think if you go into the into
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the surrounding areas, into the conservative areas, is we're good, you don't.
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You don't see that. But if you go into the cities, the
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inner cities, and you're you've really got to take a and they pay more
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in the inner cities, and then the bigger communities. Leon County Tallahassee pays
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much better than the surrounding area. But it comes with that a risk.
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And listen, I'm not I'm just saying that the sheriff can support you,
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the police chief can support you, but the minute the community turns on you
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is something that you seriously have to worry about. See. Yeah, I
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see where agencies around the country, you're particularly people who have the mindset to
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be the protectors, are saying I'm out of here. And I applaud them
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for doing that because they made they made a point. Twenty two minutes past
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the hour The Morning Show with Preston skygran Allen over there in Studio one AM.
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Here in Studio one B with Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group,
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co host of Talent Outdoors, All Things Talent, and another story in the
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news videos out body camera police officer was responding to a call of broken glass.
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The guy responsible for breaking the glass in a residential neighborhood. She's the
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first responder. She's she's got some skills in terms of her place in the
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department. She's responsible for training cadets. I mean she's not new. Guy
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comes at her with a hammer in hand, body camera running. She's politely
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saying drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, but he
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doesn't and proceeds to attack her and with the hammer. She's okay. She
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eventually does get her weapon out, but only after being wrestled to the ground
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and so forth, and discharged her firearm. He's lived to tell the tale.
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He's arrest and on and on. But Charlie, this to me is
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a classic example of the hesitancy that some officers are walking with because of the
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scrutiny you were just talking about from the wrong people. Yeah, so law
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enforcement should be held to a higher standard. Okay, So when you look
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at what a police officer does or a deputy sheriff does, you should hold
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them to a higher standard. We as a community should hold them to a
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higher standard than I would if that was somebody's grandma, okay, or the
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average civilian without the level of training that law enforcement officers should have, not
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necessarily always do have. And just because somebody's a trainer doesn't mean they are
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necessarily that much better than the next person. They just went to some classes
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and got some certifications and may be involved in it. But I didn't always
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speak to their true performance level, but only a patrol officer as well.
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And I haven't seen the video so this is new to me. But what
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I will tell you is that when I was training and still am actively involved
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in training law enforcement officers and people, is we it you suffer as a
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used to force matrix, so to speak. You know, when when someone
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reaches where a person, whether it be a civilian or law enforcement officers,
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feels that there's an there an imminent fear of death, a great widely harm
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through someone's word or actions. Someone has the ability, the opportunity, and
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the intent to do harm to them. Deadly forces justified. If someone has
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a weapon like a hammer and is raised it and based on the totality of
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circumstances, everything surrounding and everything that officer knows or should have known it or
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not should have known what they knew, and their perceptions based on size,
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intent, attitude, like everything, all of it, totality of circumstances.
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Then having a gun and a holster is not doing you any good at that
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point in time. So we do, in fact worry very much about legal
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const there once. It's why we're so big on teaching the law to civilians
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is because people will hesitate and it will cost you your life. Your opportunity
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to fight back, your opportunity to win is based on fractions of seconds.
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And if you're trying to sort out what might happen. If you know,
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if I do this, what are the consequences, that's the last thing should
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be going through your mind at that point in time. It should be am
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I in fear of death great body harm for myself or another? And if
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that answer is yes, then your fingers should be on the trigger. Okay.
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And then their actions did because they woke up that morning and wanting to
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do that. You didn't wake up saying I'm gonna shoot somebody. An officer
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doesn't wake up going today, I'm going to go to a call, a
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hot call, and this is going to be it. You never know when
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that occurs. You never know when a holster's coming out, I mean the
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gun's coming out of a holster. During your shift, you respond to things.
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But when we as a society beat them down on every decision they make
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used to the benefit of the doubt went to the officer, yep. Because
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we train them, we hold them to a standard. We do background checks
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on them. We just have to presume that the people fighting on our behalf
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in our community are right. We assume that our soldiers are right. When
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they bomb a village in Afghanistan or Syria or somewhere like that, we don't
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go pick that depart. You know, hey, there was a potential problem
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in there. They bombed a village, they killed a bunch of people.
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Hopefully they were the right ones. Well, in our community is completely completely
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different. When something happens all of a sudden, that person with a lengthy
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criminal history of violent history, someone who is a street thug, and that's
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and I'll use that terminology freely, someone who sells drugs on the street corner,
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someone who's been in trouble, has a sealed to juvenile or whatever the
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case is. They've got issues all of a sudden, they'd go to sun
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school every Sunday and they're a great kid, and the family puts that,
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and that's what the news picks up on. And so now you've needlessly slaughtered
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this this perfect you know, icon of the community. That's not the case,
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it's not, and but that's what the media spends. And then that
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ruins the law enforcement officer's career. So who wouldn't hesitate? I mean what
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reason person wouldn't hesitate? And that goes back to what we talked about in
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the prior segment, and then it boils down to who are you? You
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know? And it's gotten where it used to. It was just the white
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guys they were picking on now as everybody that they're going after regardless. I
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mean you're in blue or green, you're automatically wrong depending on the community that
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you're working or which part of the press picks it up. Morning Show with
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Preston Scott coming up to thirty six minutes past the hour. Charlie Strickland of
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the Talent Training Group with us our personal defense segments, and you got a
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chance to watch the video of the officer and the hammer and the attack.
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It's scary. I can put myself in her shoes very easily. But you
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saw mistakes made, Yeah, I mean things like using your dominant hand,
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your gun hand, to manipulate things on your uniform like your body camera and
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your radio mike and things like that, when you should be using your supports
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out of hand to do that. And I couldn't tell exactly in the one
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time we looked at it, but I felt like that might have occurred not
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having a gun out of the holster, which you know always you know,
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drawing your weapon is not a use of force. It is a show of
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force. It's different. But a lot of agencies said, well, if
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you draw your gun out of holster, you have to write a report that
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discourage his officers safety. And that's a silly, stupid thing to do.
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But but I mean even when you take into account camera distance, because sometimes
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camera's her further away. But the fact of the matter is he had a
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weapon in his hand. She said, she said, put that down.
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He said, what he starts coming down towards her with the hammer, didn't
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you know, said what like he didn't acknowledge it at that point, I'm
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pointing a gun at him, okay. And then he charged her aggressively,
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yelling, and she was trying to retreat a little bit, and it was
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it should have been bang bang, and you know, let the chips fall
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where they made. But she ended up risking her life trying to do that.
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And those are scenarios that you know, civilians and law enforcement should go
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over. I used to do it when I was a training officer. Go
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Okay, if we pull up here to the store and a guy comes running
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out the circle k with a shotgun, what do we do? You know,
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and he's running towards you with a shotgun, and you know, the
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wrong answer was, well, I call in my location, I put the
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car in park, I get out of the car, and I point the
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gun. No, the correct answer is I massive accelerator pedaling. I run
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his rear in over because that's the same lethal use of force, but way
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more effective. If you can hit him, and you're a lot safer and
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you've got you know, now you're more or less on equal footing. I
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mean, so that there's things like you have to think outside the box.
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I mean, so you mentioned well, I was just going to say,
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speaking of cars, I mean, the fact of the matter is whether it's
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in our area or nationwide, carjackings are up. Carjackings are violent. They're
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happening. Some are very sophisticated. They wait until someone's in a in an
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area where they can sort of funnel them, and then they pull in front
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and they charge the car. Basically, though, what should be thought of
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before something like that happens to everybody listening that drives a car and well,
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if you're you know, obviously situational awareness. We've talked about this time and
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time again. Living your life in condition yellow where you're aware of your surroundings,
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condition orangs where you identify potential threat. And then condition read is when
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there's the fight, because if you aren't paying attention, you're never going to
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see this shape up turn into a potential issue. You know, glancing your
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view mirror every once in a while when you're driving somewhere and if you've made
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several turns in the same cars behind you, you just think about it.
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I mean, you know, they don't have to be PARANOI let me just
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think about it. If you're on a side road, not on the main
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roads. We all go to the same places pretty much, population centers.
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But once you start going home or going to an isolated area, parking in
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places, you know, just if you go into the mall and you're going
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to be there for a while and it's getting close to dark, partner or
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street lights, so you know, But silly things like that, but they
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actually make a big difference. So having avenues of escape, you know,
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locking your car doors, a lot of them lock automatically, but locking your
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car doors and don't wait till the suspicious person walks near your car and you
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lock the car door. That's sending a signal and that's you know, so
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making sure you're secure in your car, being aware of your surroundings, having
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a way out, not out of your car, but to drive your car
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away from something. Somebody tries to block you in. Somebody bumps into you,
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you know, in this little fenderbinder, that may be a carjacking attempt.
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You want to make sure that you don't get out of the car and
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call the police, call nine one one, wait for them to get there.
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Pull over to a snafe, safe area. You know you don't have
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to. There's nothing says you have to get out until you feel comfortable,
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right, because that's also a technique used around the country. People will block
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you in, you can and if they are attempting to get in your car,
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leaf the force is authorized, guns or running them over. Don't worry
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about a piece of plastic barricade, run over it. Final segment Charlie Strickland
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with us from the Talent Training Group. Remember Talent Outdoors Saturdays and you can
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subscribe to the podcast, but it's on ten o'clock Eastern and you can stream
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it live or as I said, listen when the show's over, the podcast
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is released and you can listen whenever you like to talent out doors. How
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do you prepare for something like that? I mean, how do you prepare
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for the carjacking situation? How do you train for that? Well, most
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of us mental preparedness it is situational, this scenario thought process where you Okay,
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what would I do if? What would I do if? Now,
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if you have a firearm in the car, the way you prepare is you
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can do it at a gun range. You can do it in your driveways,
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as long as you don't have a lot of close neighbors. You're live
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in a townhouse. Probably not a good idea, but clear your weapon,
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put it on you, put it where it would normally be. You know
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that you would keep it and if you and then work on how do I
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get to it? Because if you've got a gun way over there in the
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glove compartment, you're not getting into that, Okay, I mean that's a
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silly place to keep one. I mean it needs to be in the console
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next to you, on your person. Now, with permitless carry, if
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you're a law abiding citizens, you just put it, you know, putt
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Some of that creates a challenge. You're in a seated position and having a
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firearm accessible, well, you need to be working. You need to practice
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it. You need to work on how do I get with an unloaded gun.
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You need to practice it so and make sure there's not one of the
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chamber and work on getting it from those positions and then pointing it towards the
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driver's door window and then pointing it through the front windshield. You can shoot
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through the front windshield. We have classes where we put glass on a car,
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clamp it on, shoot through the windshield to see what the effect is
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on a bullet. See the target in front a vehicle, then look towards
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the passenger side. I mean something you have to be considered. If you're
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sitting there at a red light, somebody hops in the passenger seat and says,
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you're taking You're taking me somewhere. You're getting how do you get the
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gun out of the console between the two of you. You know you can't
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just is it considered a legal or illegal place to hold your gun in the
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door panel where they have those little like holder compartments. If you put it
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in a snap holster, climp in there. You're fine, Okay, it's
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not on your person and it's not close enough to your person to as long
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as it's secured. Now, with permitless carr you can carry it on your
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person in the car without a permit on your person. Florida law stipulates that
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it's carried in the car and it's not on your person, then it needs
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to be secured. So if you're gonna put it not on you, it
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still needs to be snapped in a holster. It needs to be secured in
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some fashion, zipped in a case, something like that. So I would
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make sure that it was snapped in a holster if you put it in there.
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And I've seen and I've done it. I had it in a ulster
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and I had it clapped on the little plastic door pocket over there. But
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you know, when you're stopped by law enforcement and they say I want you
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get out of the vehicle, you're opening the door and you're exposing that not
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to mention, every time you open the door. If it's visible, everybody
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in the parking lot that's parking near you seize it and knows that you're leaving
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a gun in the car, which is not necessarily a good idea, But
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yeah, you could put something down in the door pocket over there and it
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would be fine. I would just on a traffic stop, you know,
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let the law enforcement know that it's there, so you don't have a confusing
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situation. But it can't be anyway. So having that would allow you to
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use your left hand to then draw point towards the passengers side if you need
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it to. And that's not a bad idea at all, But I mean,
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these are things you should think about. But if you have a car
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door's lock, you don't have to worry about people hopping in, And if
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somebody starts trying to break the window over there, you can always draw and
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use that. But just keep in mind if somebody by Florida Castle doctrine,
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this is Georgian Alabama too. If someone is a tempting to forcibly and unlawfully
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enter your occupied conveyance or your residents are dwelling, then deadly forces authorized because
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there's a presumption of violent attend on the part of the offender, and even
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understand your ground, they're committing a violent crime at that point, burglary of
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an occupied vehicle and so your authorized you's deadly force. That includes blated weapons,
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blunt objects, guns, running them over with the car so you can
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just drive away. You know, somebody blocks you in the traffic allows if
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you're you know, because you just have to think. But they can't just
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be blocking you in. You have to be able to articulate. It can't
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be like a protest and know where they blocked me in. I ran over
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all of them. No, they have to be trying to get into the
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car with you or assault you in some way. And you have to be
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either in imminent fear of death of great body harm or they have to be
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trying to get into the car. That's your only justification for that. So
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be careful when you get in those situations. You just can't be scared.
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They have to be trying to do something, so you know, you put
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a lot of thought into that, and certainly come out and talk to us
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about to reach out to us and we can help clarify. Thanks to the
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time. Yes, Sir Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group my guest Personal
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Defense on the Morning Show with Preston's Connell, The Idaho MA