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The Kenny Report | 12 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: As the Liberals haggle over dropping net zero, Prince William
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Speaker 2: takes over as the climate alarmist in chief. More dodgy
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Speaker 2: anti Trump journalism at the ABC exposed as the public broadcaster,
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Speaker 2: denies any wrongdoing and plays the victim. Victoria finally tries
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Speaker 2: to tackle youth crime by adopting new laws used in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: Also a new treaty with Indonesia, and the Wednesday rangle
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Speaker 2: with Denika de Georgio and Justin Smith.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: As you know, the Liberals have been meeting in Canberra
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Speaker 2: to try to thrash out.
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Speaker 1: A new climate and energy policy.
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Speaker 2: They need to decide whether to stick with net zero
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Speaker 2: or abandon it.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: They went into the meeting this morning. You would have
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Speaker 2: seen pictures of the Conservatives walking into the group, into
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Speaker 2: the group together, highlighting the factional divide. I suppose we
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Speaker 2: saw those pictures of Andrew Hasty and Angus Taylor and
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson all walking in together. But the meeting has
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Speaker 2: broken up just a few moments ago, as you would
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Speaker 2: have seen live here on sky. And here's what susanly
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Speaker 2: had to say afterwards.
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Speaker 3: Really well, and the Shadow Energy Minister will be making
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Speaker 3: some remarks to all of you shortly and the Shadow
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Speaker 3: Ministry will convene tomorrow to resolve our final position. But
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Speaker 3: it was an excellent meeting and terrific to hear from
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Speaker 3: all of my.
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Speaker 4: Liberal Party colleagues.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now we're expecting to hear from the Shadow Climate and
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Speaker 2: Energy Minister Dan Tene in a press conference in the
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Speaker 2: next ten or fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 1: Will bring that to you live.
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Speaker 2: Now, with all this focus on climate and energy policy,
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Speaker 2: you might be pleased to know that our next head
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Speaker 2: of state, Prince William has turned up at the United
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Speaker 2: Nations Climate Talkfest COP thirty in belm in Brazil.
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Speaker 1: In case you were wondering, the.
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Speaker 2: Prince apparently flew on a commercial airline to Rio the
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Speaker 2: other day, but he arrived at COP thirty with Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister kir Starmer on the ukpm's government jet. So there
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Speaker 2: you go a bit of private jet pooling for the
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Speaker 2: climate summit.
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Speaker 1: How about that for economizing. But once the Prince took
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Speaker 1: the stage.
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Speaker 2: We were reminded of the fact that while the monarchy
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Speaker 2: is supposed to be above politics, it does, in its
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Speaker 2: modern incarnation, love to indulge in a bit.
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Speaker 1: Of climate politicking and climate alarmism.
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Speaker 5: All of us here today, I understand that we are
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Speaker 5: edging dangerously close to the Earth's critical tipping points, thresholds
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Speaker 5: beyond which the natural systems we depend on may begin
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Speaker 5: to unravel.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear, here we go the old tipping point.
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Speaker 2: How many tipping points and last chances have we had?
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Speaker 2: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree because the
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Speaker 2: current king has been banging on about this sort of
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Speaker 2: stuff for decades.
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Speaker 6: We are seeing alarming tipping points being reached. The dangers
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Speaker 6: are no longer distant risks they've always rather subscribed to
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Speaker 6: the catastamith here. It's unfortunately, as human beings, we tend
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Speaker 6: to leave everything until it's virtually too late, and you're
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Speaker 6: just about to fall over the edge.
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Speaker 7: Of the cliff.
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Speaker 6: Lives and mccopp twenty six begins in Glasgow tomorrow. Quite literally,
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Speaker 6: it is the last chance saloon at this historic tipping point.
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Speaker 6: With the lives and livelihoods of present and future generations
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Speaker 6: in mind, we were already seen the Arctic melting bits
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Speaker 6: of Antarctica and now dropping off and melting.
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Speaker 1: Talk about tipping points.
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Speaker 2: I've just about reached the end of my tether with
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Speaker 2: this constant catastrophism. Back in Brazil, Prince William was matching
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Speaker 2: his father's fear mongering over.
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Speaker 5: The polar ice, the melting of polar ice, the loss
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Speaker 5: of the Amazon, the disruption of ocean currents. These are
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Speaker 5: not distant threats. They are fast approaching and going to
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Speaker 5: affect every one of us, no matter where we live.
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Speaker 2: No matter where we live, I guess he means no
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Speaker 2: matter whether it's Buckingham Palace or Sandringham windsor Castle or Balmoral.
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Speaker 2: I mean, think about the carbon footprint of this family
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Speaker 2: as they lecture us on climate change and polar ice,
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Speaker 2: the melting of polar ice. Haven't the alarmis been crying
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Speaker 2: wolf about this for decades.
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Speaker 8: The entire North Polar ice cap during summer, during some
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Speaker 8: of the summer months could be completely ice free within
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Speaker 8: the next five to seven years.
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Speaker 9: Seven years ago, in a real inconvenient truth, former Vice
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Speaker 9: President Al Gore once famously claimed that North Pole ice
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Speaker 9: cap would be ice free by now due to climate change,
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Speaker 9: but scientists say the ice cap has actually expanded. It
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Speaker 9: is now twice the size of Alaska.
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Speaker 2: A report published in the last hour has revealed that
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Speaker 2: the polar ice caps are melting three times faster than
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Speaker 2: they were twenty years ago.
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Speaker 4: We know that ice is melting as the world gets warmer,
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Speaker 4: but new data shows it's happening more quickly than even
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Speaker 4: scientists feared.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the trouble is that the reality has never matched
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Speaker 2: the dire predictions, and this year, a detailed study using
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Speaker 2: NASA data has revealed a record breaking increase in ice
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Speaker 2: sheets on Antarctica. The trend has been for reduced ice
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Speaker 2: mass over the decades on this southern continent, but the
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Speaker 2: study found that from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: There was a significant increase in ice.
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Speaker 2: This is encouraging news given most of the predicted rise
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Speaker 2: in sea levels is from ice melting in Antarctica. But
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Speaker 2: while every seasonal reduction in ice prompts plenty of alarmist
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Speaker 2: media coverage, nobody seems to be able to mention what's
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Speaker 2: happened in Antarctica in recent years without demanding we remain alarmed.
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Speaker 10: I think though, that no one across any scientific forum
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Speaker 10: is saying, you know, what a little extra snow that
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Speaker 10: wean Moore ice. Oh, now the globe's not warming. That
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Speaker 10: is the end of this discussion. The globe is still warming.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: If the alarmists are worried that people will look to
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Speaker 2: the facts and be reassured rather than listen to the
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Speaker 2: wild predictions and be panicked, then they have certainly got
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Speaker 2: themselves a strong ally.
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Speaker 1: In the next King of England and Australia.
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Speaker 5: Communities around the world are already facing rising seas, extreme heat, wildfires, floods, drunks,
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Speaker 5: an increasing frequency of extreme weather. We saw the disastrous
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Speaker 5: impact of simultaneous floods, fires and drinks in Brazil in
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: It's as if none of this stuff has ever happened before.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's never been a.
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Speaker 2: Bushfire at Balmoral, or a drought at Windsor or a
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Speaker 2: tropical cyclone at Buckingham Palace. But mate, this stuff has
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Speaker 2: always happened and it always will. And if you're telling
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Speaker 2: people it's getting worse, then you're telling lies. It doesn't
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Speaker 2: befit the Royal family to be spreading alarming information, alarming misinformation.
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Speaker 2: They should stick to their knitting, which is saying pretty
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Speaker 2: much nothing. Oh well, I guess there goes my knighthood.
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Speaker 2: The fallout for the BBC and the ABC can con
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Speaker 2: tinues over their misleading and biased reporting of the Gaza
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Speaker 2: War and of course of US President Donald Trump. As
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Speaker 2: you know, the director general of the BBC and the
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Speaker 2: news chief resigned in the wake of journalistic scandals, in
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Speaker 2: particular the recent revelations about how the BBC chopped up
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Speaker 2: Trump's Washington speech on January the sixth, twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: We're going to.
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Speaker 11: Walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there.
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Speaker 12: With you, and we fight. We fight like hell.
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Speaker 1: We're going to walk down to the Capitol.
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Speaker 12: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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Speaker 12: congressmen and women.
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Speaker 2: Now, as you know, I revealed on this program that
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Speaker 2: our own ABC had committed an almost identical sin cutting
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Speaker 2: up the same speech in a very similar way, when
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Speaker 2: it produced a similar story for four corners, covering the
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Speaker 2: same events and trying to push the same narrative that
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Speaker 2: the President instigated the Capitol Hill riots.
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Speaker 13: Such is the level of fear that in recent weeks
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Speaker 13: serious people here have been using the Dreadfray's civil war. Tonight,
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Speaker 13: Howard defeated, disgraced, and now twice impeached president brought US
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Speaker 13: democracy to the brink of destruction.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't work without the scary music.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson has demanded answers from the ABC
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Speaker 2: and announced on this program last night that she'll push
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Speaker 2: for a Senate inquiry, but the ABC has denied any problem.
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Speaker 1: The reporter you saw delivering that.
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Speaker 2: Anti Trump piece about the Capitol Hill riot was Sarah Ferguson.
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Speaker 2: She's the same reporter who produced the three part Story
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Speaker 2: of the Century series running the wild, incorrect and discredited
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theory that Donald Trump was first elected thanks to
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Speaker 2: Russia's Vladimir Putin. Yeah, Ferguson certainly has a strong dose
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Speaker 2: of Trump derangement syndrome, and she's not the only one.
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Speaker 2: Last night, I showed you other examples of ABC coverage
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Speaker 2: that tried to make it look like Trump instigated the
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Speaker 2: violence on Capitol Hill.
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Speaker 1: Another one has come to light now, and.
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Speaker 2: It might be the worst of all. Have a look
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Speaker 2: at this from Four Corners and Mark Willersey.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty.
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Speaker 14: Four, refusing to accept his defeat at the hands of
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Speaker 14: Joe Biden, Trump told his supporters to march on the
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Speaker 14: US Capitol.
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Speaker 1: Faith, fate, how fate like how you're going to have
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Speaker 1: a country?
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Speaker 2: The meaning the narrative is clear, and it is, of
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Speaker 2: course a misrepresentation of the entirety of the Trump speech,
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Speaker 2: where he said.
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Speaker 11: Stuff like this, I know that everyone here will soon
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Speaker 11: be marching over to the Capitol Building to peacefully and
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Speaker 11: patriotically make your voices heard.
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Speaker 1: Going to walk down to the Capitol.
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Speaker 12: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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Speaker 12: congressmen and women.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, keeping all this in mind, who do you think
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Speaker 2: the ABC would choose to probe the issue of the
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Speaker 2: BBC and its deceptive, misleading edits of Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guessed it. They are shameless.
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Speaker 13: US President Donald Trump is threatening to sue the BBC
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Speaker 13: over the way they edited his notorious speech delivered ahead
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Speaker 13: of the Capital Riot on January sixth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the reporter who compiled a similar story to
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Speaker 2: the BBC report, and who delivered a similarly deceptive edit
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Speaker 2: of the very same interview to advance the very same narrative.
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Speaker 2: And she is the one to discuss the fallout at
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Speaker 2: the BBC, and her chosen expert is another green left journalist,
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Speaker 2: the former editor of the.
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Speaker 1: Guardian newspaper, no less.
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Speaker 2: Listen to the questioning and the astonishing claim within it.
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Speaker 13: In normal circumstances, you would expect an apology about this edit,
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Speaker 13: which linked together two parts of Donald Trump's speech, but
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Speaker 13: didn't materially misrepresent the tone of that speech. Again, the
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Speaker 13: question is, why would that lead to the resignation of
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Speaker 13: such a powerful figure?
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Speaker 1: What's going on.
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Speaker 2: That deceptive cut? You saw it moments ago. It didn't
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Speaker 2: materially misrepresent the tone of the President's speech.
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Speaker 1: It changed the meaning. It literally changed the.
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Speaker 2: Meaning of what the resident said, and Ferguson dismisses it
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Speaker 2: in this fashion.
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Speaker 1: Is Ferguson defending the BBC here?
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Speaker 2: Or is she using this interview to indirectly defend her
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Speaker 2: own dodgy edit of the same speech.
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Speaker 1: To be fair, she does later.
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Speaker 2: Admit the edit was a very serious mistake, but honestly,
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Speaker 2: to say it didn't change the tone is just denying
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Speaker 2: the indefensible. This discussion focused heavily on BBC critics, suggesting
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Speaker 2: the BBC was being unfairly targeted. It also tried to
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Speaker 2: make excuses.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think there had been a series of mishaps.
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Speaker 7: I mean, the BBC puts out something like twenty three
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Speaker 7: thousand hours of content over the course of the air
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Speaker 7: and there are bound to be mistakes.
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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't a mistake or a mishap. That's a
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Speaker 2: complete mischaracterization. This was a deliberate editing of a speech
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Speaker 2: to create a false impression. It was a travesty, not
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Speaker 2: a mistake. And as you know, Ferguson and the ABC
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Speaker 2: did pretty much the same thing. This interview seemed to
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Speaker 2: be based on fears that the public broadcasters in the
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Speaker 2: UK and here in Australia might face some accountability for
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Speaker 2: their misadventures.
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Speaker 13: You refer to poor governance in the BBC, But from
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Speaker 13: our perspective, I think we're interested to know if we
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Speaker 13: are looking at a bigger narrative that is aimed at
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Speaker 13: public broadcasting as a concept in the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 1: I bet you're interested in that.
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Speaker 2: I bet everyone at the ABC is worried that accountability
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Speaker 2: might one day arrive, which is why the ABC is
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Speaker 2: nervously watching what happens in Britain.
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Speaker 13: Unfortunate episode where obviously as a public broadcaster watching closely.
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Speaker 13: Thank you very much indeed for joining us allan especially
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Speaker 13: it's short notice.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much it goes without saying, of course,
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Speaker 2: that Ferguson did not mention her own report or the
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Speaker 2: parallel controversy about the ABC editing of Trump. Yet still
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Speaker 2: it gets worse because not only is the ABC in
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Speaker 2: denial about its transgressions, with ABC Managing Director Hugh Marx
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Speaker 2: defending the Ferguson editing of Trump, but according to a
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Speaker 2: report in the Sydney Morning Herald today, the ABC is
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Speaker 2: now playing the victim.
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Speaker 1: The Herald quotes an internal.
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Speaker 2: Email dismissing my revelations about the doctoring of the Trump
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Speaker 2: speech and then adding this the opportunistic attempt to seek
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Speaker 2: to engineer a similar crisis here to the BBC's is
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Speaker 2: transparent and doesn't stack up, said the news boss Justin Stevens.
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Speaker 2: Alongside legitimate criticism, both organizations are subjected to sustained and
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Speaker 2: inaccurate campaigns that seek to chip away at the public's
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Speaker 2: belief and trust in what we provide as a public service.
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Speaker 1: The nerve of these people to play victim.
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Speaker 2: This is a week in which they've had to apologize
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Speaker 2: for deliberately doctoring an image on Insiders, a bit of
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Speaker 2: fake news that created an anti coalition front page that
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Speaker 2: never existed, as well as have their dodgy editing of
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Speaker 2: the Trump speech revealed, along with the extra example I've
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Speaker 2: just shown you tonight, and.
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Speaker 1: They say we're the ones undermining their trust with audiences.
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Speaker 2: A little self examination might be in order, comrades. Instead
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Speaker 2: of dealing with their transgressions and improving their standards, they
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Speaker 2: lash out at their critics and they play the appless victim,
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Speaker 2: the billion dollar public broadcasting bayim off as the victim
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Speaker 2: get a grip. That Senate inquiry promoted by Senator Sarah
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Speaker 2: Henderson could hardly come soon enough. Just to remind you
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Speaker 2: that we are standing by to go live to the
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Speaker 2: Shadow Energy Minister Dan Tan to announce what's happened out
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Speaker 2: of that Liberal party room meeting in Canberra today.
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Speaker 1: We'll bring it to you live when it happens.
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Speaker 2: But I want to cross now to One Nation leader
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson and joins us from coinsand good to talk
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Speaker 2: to you again. Pauline, What do you expect is going
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Speaker 2: to happen here with the Liberals?
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Speaker 1: It seems they're going to.
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Speaker 2: Ditch net zero. That would put them in alignment with
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Speaker 2: the Nationals. That would also probably put them in alignment
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Speaker 2: with a lot of mainstream voters, many of whom have
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Speaker 2: drifted off in the polls to one nation.
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Speaker 15: Chris, I don't believe they'll get rid of net zero completely.
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Speaker 15: I think there will be some emissions targets they will keep,
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Speaker 15: and they won't get out of the Paris Agreement. So
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Speaker 15: be interesting to see what they come up with. We
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Speaker 15: actually forced the National Party to take that lead, and
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Speaker 15: they then have put pressure on the Liberal Party to
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Speaker 15: do the same. So we've actually set the agenda for
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Speaker 15: both these major political parties and I'm pleased to say
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Speaker 15: that they might be listening, but I don't think they'll
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Speaker 15: go far enough. We need to get rid of it completely,
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Speaker 15: get out of the Paras Agreement, get back and take
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Speaker 15: control of our own country, and get rid of the
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Speaker 15: rubbish with all this climate emissions carbon emissions.
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Speaker 2: Now, I think the polling shift across to one nation
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Speaker 2: as the coalition voter's gone down is compelling.
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Speaker 1: Everybody would agree with that. It shows a move.
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Speaker 2: I would have thought there are two clear policy areas
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Speaker 2: that would be driving that. That would be climate change,
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Speaker 2: the other one would be immigration. Is that your assessment
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Speaker 2: you'd be talking to people who are coming to you
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Speaker 2: and offering support. Why do you think they've left the
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Speaker 2: coalition in the polls and come to one nation?
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Speaker 15: Definitely because the two of them mass immigration. We've actually
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Speaker 15: had in September the highest immigration numbers since twenty twenty
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Speaker 15: three on record for the month of September, which was
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Speaker 15: nearly thirty six people. So the Labor Party have not
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Speaker 15: listened to the Strand people about mass.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm going to have to interrupt you there, Pauline. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: if you can remain on standby.
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Speaker 2: We were to go live to Canberra now and take
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Speaker 2: Dantean of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 16: We were united on many many things.
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Speaker 17: Can I first start by saying thank you to the colleagues,
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Speaker 17: but with the way that they continue to engage on
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Speaker 17: this issue of energy and emissions reduction, Can I say
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Speaker 17: that colleagues really appreciated the process. They thought that it
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Speaker 17: was fantastic that we could all come together and debate
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Speaker 17: the issues in this way.
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Speaker 16: There was a set of principles.
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Speaker 17: That was handed out that I handed out two guiding
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Speaker 17: principles and then eight principles underneath that, and there was
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Speaker 17: pretty much unanimity when it came to those principles. Obviously
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Speaker 17: there were I was very very passionate discussions in the
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Speaker 17: room because energy and emissions reduction is an issue that
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Speaker 17: everyone cares deeply about, and the overwhelming thing that came
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Speaker 17: out of the meeting for me was that everyone wants
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Speaker 17: to make sure that our policy, our energy policy, and
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Speaker 17: our missions reduction.
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Speaker 16: Policy is in the national interests.
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Speaker 17: That became incredibly clear what's going to happen from here. Obviously,
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Speaker 17: this was part of the process that we've been undertaking,
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Speaker 17: a four part process. It started with me obviously forming
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Speaker 17: a working group under the auspices of Susan and of David.
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Speaker 16: We've had those discussions.
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Speaker 17: Obviously, I've been having discussions one on one with my colleagues.
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Speaker 17: There's also been the process that Simon Kennedy and Jane
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Speaker 17: Hume lad. What will follow after today is that I
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Speaker 17: will prepare a submission that will go to the Shadow
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Speaker 17: Ministry at nine o'clock tomorrow morning, and then myself and
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Speaker 17: Susan will stand up after that Shadow Ministry and formally
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Speaker 17: announce our policy. And that policy will have come out
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Speaker 17: of that very robust and rigorous process. I'm happy to
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Speaker 17: take a few questions from you now, but I'd also
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Speaker 17: ask that it's going.
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Speaker 16: To be a few because I've got to go.
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Speaker 17: Away and prepare a submission tomorrow which I obviously have
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Speaker 17: to take to the Shadow Ministry.
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Speaker 5: One of the guiding.
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Speaker 18: One of the two guiding principles, and the eight principles, can.
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Speaker 17: You yeah, So I will will hand out those list
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Speaker 17: of principles at the end of at the end of
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Speaker 17: this PRIs press conference. But the foundation, the foundation principles
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Speaker 17: were very clear that energy affordability must come first and
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Speaker 17: must be the focus.
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Speaker 16: Along with reliability.
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Speaker 17: And then the second second principle is that we have
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Speaker 17: to be serious when it comes to addressing a missions
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Speaker 17: reduction because we want to be able to show very
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Speaker 17: clearly that this is an issue the whole party room
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Speaker 17: takes seriously and we want to do our part when
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Speaker 17: it comes to emissions reduction. And I'll hand those principles
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Speaker 17: out at the end of this.
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Speaker 1: Serious age.
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Speaker 17: Abandon the told so, I've always protected the sanctity of
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Speaker 17: our party room, and I'm going to continue to.
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Speaker 16: Do that because my colleagues deserve that.
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Speaker 17: My job now is to respect what was said in
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Speaker 17: the room today to now take that away form a
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Speaker 17: shadow ministerial paper, take that to the Shadow Ministry, tomorrow,
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Speaker 17: and then myself and Susan will formally announce our policy
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Speaker 17: after that meeting tomorrow, so you can all be rest
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Speaker 17: assured that by around midday tomorrow you will very clearly
23:24
Speaker 17: know what our energy and emissions reduction policy.
23:27
Speaker 16: Is as a Liberal Party.
23:32
Speaker 19: Saying go there then, and will it call for the
23:35
Speaker 19: Liberal Party to drop references to that?
23:38
Speaker 17: Well, once again, I'm going to respect my colleagues, and
23:40
Speaker 17: I'm going to respect my shadow ministerial colleagues, and I
23:45
Speaker 17: will will I obviously have to wait and see what
23:49
Speaker 17: was discussed in the party room today. Right throughout this process,
23:54
Speaker 17: the one thing that I've been very very careful on
23:57
Speaker 17: and always wanted to do is to make sure that
24:01
Speaker 17: I've respected my colleagues. We've had incredible engagement and can
24:05
Speaker 17: I say today once again, there was a lot of
24:09
Speaker 17: people who stood up and said how much they appreciated
24:13
Speaker 17: the engagement had taken place, and especially the Liberal Party
24:17
Speaker 17: meeting today to be able to flesh out these issues.
24:22
Speaker 17: And I'm going to continue to respect that because that's
24:25
Speaker 17: what the party room deserves.
24:27
Speaker 16: I've got one more questions.
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Speaker 6: Does that look what does that look like?
24:35
Speaker 3: Being serious on addressing emissions are you tying Australia to
24:39
Speaker 3: OECD or other major developed countries?
24:42
Speaker 20: What does it actually look for?
24:44
Speaker 17: So I'll be working through that this evening, following the
24:48
Speaker 17: contributions today, and I'll also just address that other question.
24:54
Speaker 17: I still think, and I've always thought right throughout this process,
24:58
Speaker 17: that it is possible for us to unite, and that's
25:03
Speaker 17: my job now tonight is to go away and do
25:07
Speaker 17: that and then what you will hear tomorrow is our
25:10
Speaker 17: formal policy. And I've got to say through all the
25:13
Speaker 17: contributions in the room today, everyone again struck in accord
25:19
Speaker 17: by saying we have to come together, we have to
25:21
Speaker 17: have a policy, and then we've all got a unite
25:24
Speaker 17: behind that policy. And that's what I've got to do
25:27
Speaker 17: now is I've got to go away and finalize that submission.
25:31
Speaker 16: I've still got plenty.
25:32
Speaker 17: To write and then i can tell you you will
25:35
Speaker 17: all hear from Susan and myself tomorrow and you will
25:38
Speaker 17: get our formal position.
25:39
Speaker 16: Thanks very much everyone.
25:43
Speaker 2: There we go the Liberal Shadow Minister for Energy Dan Tee,
25:48
Speaker 2: and they're wrapping up that press conference after the party
25:52
Speaker 2: room meeting in Canberra today.
25:54
Speaker 1: Now, it was a strange press conference, was it because
25:56
Speaker 1: the guts of.
25:57
Speaker 2: It is this plan can tained in really these dot points,
26:01
Speaker 2: these principles to guiding principles and eight other principles underneath
26:06
Speaker 2: the Baroni just releasing that after the press conference. We'll
26:09
Speaker 2: bring that to you during the program. We'll get that
26:11
Speaker 2: sent up from Canberra and share with you those principles.
26:15
Speaker 2: But Dan teens saying there's a unity on many things
26:18
Speaker 2: in that party room and he'll get a new policy
26:21
Speaker 2: through Shadow Ministry.
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow and the party will be united.
26:25
Speaker 2: Let me just get a quick reflection on this from
26:27
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson, who's been waiting in Queensland listening in on this.
26:30
Speaker 1: Pauline, we still don't know where they're going to go.
26:34
Speaker 2: But do you what do you think of Danteen's optimism
26:37
Speaker 2: about a united coalition approach.
26:41
Speaker 15: I told you before he actually made a statement that
26:43
Speaker 15: they're not going to back away from the missions target.
26:46
Speaker 15: We'll get out of the Paris Agreement. That's why I
26:47
Speaker 15: pulled down of it. He said, we will produce and
26:50
Speaker 15: energy and an emission's target. Will put out a policies
26:53
Speaker 15: after he does his submissions to the Shadow Cabinet. So
26:56
Speaker 15: the fact is that they can't Chris. If they actually do,
26:59
Speaker 15: they're going to have people like brag Hume Rustin are
27:03
Speaker 15: actually going to throw their arms up in the air.
27:05
Speaker 15: So there's going to be tensions there within the party.
27:07
Speaker 15: They are split on this, and they actually need to
27:11
Speaker 15: satisfy the nationals because the nationals are in fear of
27:14
Speaker 15: one nation taking their seas. It's a whole bloody mess.
27:17
Speaker 15: I'm telling you, it's a mess with the whole lot,
27:19
Speaker 15: but the whole. But what we've got to understand they're
27:21
Speaker 15: talking about admissions, Chris. We are now twenty four percent
27:24
Speaker 15: lower in our missions since twenty five, twenty four percent,
27:29
Speaker 15: but these other countries they're only fourteen percent. Why are
27:32
Speaker 15: we still destroying our economy and not giving cheap power
27:35
Speaker 15: to the Australian people, loosing our industry's manufacturing. Trump has
27:39
Speaker 15: not signed up to this. Trump has now got nineteen
27:42
Speaker 15: trillion dollars of investment going into his country. What the
27:45
Speaker 15: hell are we doing here? And they're still sitting on
27:48
Speaker 15: the fence. I'm telling you my nation is the only
27:51
Speaker 15: party is prepared to do something about it.
27:53
Speaker 2: They are calling it a energy and emissions reductions policy,
27:57
Speaker 2: and so I think your point there is clear this
28:00
Speaker 2: going to be product differentiation there for one nation going forward.
28:03
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline, I appreciate it. Pauline Hansen
28:05
Speaker 1: there leader of one nation joining us live from Queensland.
28:08
Speaker 2: I want to go to an energy expert now in
28:10
Speaker 2: Aiden Morrison, who often catches up with us. He's the
28:13
Speaker 2: energy program director at the Center for Independent Studies. Aiden,
28:17
Speaker 2: you'll be very interested to see what these guiding principles
28:20
Speaker 2: and other principles are. Can the liberals or the coalition
28:25
Speaker 2: actually deliver secure, reliable and affordable energy while continuing to
28:31
Speaker 2: reduce emissions in some way?
28:36
Speaker 19: Look, that's a pretty wide envelope. Reduce emissions in some way.
28:39
Speaker 19: Look not quickly. At the end of the day, we
28:41
Speaker 19: don't have a solution that reduces emissions significantly unless we
28:45
Speaker 19: use nuclear. At the moment, we've tried the renewable energy
28:48
Speaker 19: roll that experiment and it's stalled totally completely. There is
28:51
Speaker 19: just no new private money that is pushing into renewable energy.
28:55
Speaker 19: Because the honeymoon is ended. We're now at the point
28:56
Speaker 19: we have to build the expensive stuff, all the things
28:59
Speaker 19: to keep the grid scale stable or the storage to
29:02
Speaker 19: move the energy around the clock, around the calendar around
29:04
Speaker 19: the country. So renewable energy gets more expensive from here onwards,
29:09
Speaker 19: it always will do, and which is the exact Sorry
29:12
Speaker 19: to jump in without embracing nuclear.
29:14
Speaker 1: Sorry to jump in. There's a bit of delay, which
29:16
Speaker 1: makes it awkward.
29:17
Speaker 2: But that is a telling point when you say renewable
29:22
Speaker 2: energy gets even more expensive from here on in, because
29:25
Speaker 2: that is exactly the opposite to what we're hearing from
29:28
Speaker 2: the government and all the renewables zealots. They say, oh, yes,
29:32
Speaker 2: it's pushed prices up because we've had to roll out all.
29:35
Speaker 1: Of this new kit. But the more we roll out,
29:37
Speaker 1: the cheaper it will get.
29:42
Speaker 20: Yeah.
29:42
Speaker 19: Unfortunately, there is a fallacy that's that's kicking doing the rounds,
29:45
Speaker 19: and it's really amazing to hear it repeated so often.
29:47
Speaker 19: There's this idea of a messy middle. You'll hear that,
29:49
Speaker 19: including from people like very senior people at my commission.
29:53
Speaker 19: Their way of trying to gild lily here is is
29:55
Speaker 19: to say, oh, it's just a messy middle. Once we
29:57
Speaker 19: push through all this stuff here right in front of us,
29:59
Speaker 19: and somehow how it all come good very shortly, and
30:02
Speaker 19: the price reductions will happen a little bit later. That
30:05
Speaker 19: is really the purest of nonsenses, because as you reach
30:09
Speaker 19: the point you've got local saturation, you have to move
30:11
Speaker 19: more of the energy around, and you have to move
30:13
Speaker 19: it further, and you have to move a larger share
30:16
Speaker 19: of it further around the clock, around the calendar, around
30:19
Speaker 19: the country. The further you go with these correlated energy
30:22
Speaker 19: flows that you can't control, because when there's too much
30:25
Speaker 19: sun and wind, there is loads of sun and wind,
30:27
Speaker 19: and still sometimes it's still and dark and you have
30:29
Speaker 19: none at all, and so it just gets harder every
30:32
Speaker 19: step from here on in. And we haven't seen the
30:35
Speaker 19: lions share hit yet. None of the big transmission proches
30:37
Speaker 19: have hit anyone's bills yet. So wait until you see
30:40
Speaker 19: Central West Irana at five and a half billion, plus
30:42
Speaker 19: the syncredous CONDENSEDS plus V and I West at seven
30:44
Speaker 19: and a half billion, but it could be eleven billion,
30:46
Speaker 19: Hume Link at a four and a half billion. There
30:49
Speaker 19: is just we haven't even touched the serious stuff. The
30:51
Speaker 19: heavy lifting is right in front of us, and I
30:54
Speaker 19: can guarantee you it will not get cheaper, We'll not
30:56
Speaker 19: get easier. So we can't reduce emissions very substantially unless
31:00
Speaker 19: we embrace nuclear and even if we embrace nuclear, we
31:03
Speaker 19: could replace the first third of our emissions, which is
31:06
Speaker 19: the electricity system very well, you could replace cold with nuclear.
31:09
Speaker 19: That'll be perfect. But the second two had the second
31:12
Speaker 19: two thirds of net zero, which is all about replacing
31:15
Speaker 19: all your heat and all your transport petrol and gas
31:18
Speaker 19: with electricity two and then hydrogen to make things like
31:22
Speaker 19: fertilizer to make things like steel. That stuff, it's just nonsense.
31:26
Speaker 19: That is just absolute pine in the sky, away with
31:28
Speaker 19: the fairy stuff, particularly if electricity is expensive, which we
31:31
Speaker 19: now know it is with renewable energy. So there isn't
31:34
Speaker 19: really a path open to net zero that doesn't involve
31:37
Speaker 19: massive economic destruction.
31:40
Speaker 1: Basically, well, Aiden, stay with us.
31:42
Speaker 2: I want to share with you and with our viewers
31:44
Speaker 2: breaking news because I've got these principles that the Liberal
31:48
Speaker 2: Party room has signed up to, and I'll go through
31:50
Speaker 2: them briefly. The two guiding principles are having a stable,
31:54
Speaker 2: reliable energy grid and then secondly, reducing emissions in a responsible,
31:59
Speaker 2: transparent way. So the other two guiding principles have the
32:02
Speaker 2: power affordable but also reduced emissions. The guiding principles the
32:05
Speaker 2: eight points under that are energy needs, to be affordable
32:09
Speaker 2: and abundant it needs. There's technology neutrality from the liberals.
32:13
Speaker 2: That means bring in everything, renewables, nuclear, the lot, a
32:17
Speaker 2: commitment to the Paris Agreement.
32:18
Speaker 1: They're going to stay in Paris.
32:20
Speaker 2: But then fourthly they're going to reject all the albanezy
32:23
Speaker 2: labor governments, unrealistic targets. There's going to be community first,
32:28
Speaker 2: talking about social license. That's important for renewables roll out.
32:32
Speaker 2: They're backing reliable energy rather than renewables. Look at reliability,
32:38
Speaker 2: a technology driven and industry led emissions reductions policy focusing
32:43
Speaker 2: on technology, and they're scrapping carbon taxes, tariffs and mandates.
32:50
Speaker 2: So this is done through technology and working innovatively with
32:54
Speaker 2: technology rather than.
32:55
Speaker 1: Through carbon taxes, tariffs and mandates. There's a bit more
32:59
Speaker 1: detail there.
33:00
Speaker 2: The key principles there aid in your top of the
33:03
Speaker 2: mind assessment of whether that's a realistic agenda to fix
33:07
Speaker 2: the energy crisis in this country.
33:12
Speaker 19: Look, the thing that I really want to come and check,
33:14
Speaker 19: and I'll inspect this again later on, is just where
33:16
Speaker 19: they put that price question there. Because if you say
33:18
Speaker 19: you want it to be reliable or well and good,
33:22
Speaker 19: but the question is what you're willing to pay for it.
33:24
Speaker 19: And if you prioritize price, you really try to prioritize price,
33:27
Speaker 19: then you have to really reject net zero and really
33:32
Speaker 19: very a lot of aggressive emission reductions from here. Because
33:35
Speaker 19: we've got already too many renewables in the grid, the
33:38
Speaker 19: costs are going to be pushed up here. So now
33:41
Speaker 19: as to whether it is clear that price the priority.
33:43
Speaker 2: Let me just jump in here, because this is a
33:45
Speaker 2: little reading, a little under the headings, our energy policy
33:48
Speaker 2: will prioritize affordable, reliable energy for all Australians. Our emissions
33:55
Speaker 2: reduction policy must not compromise our primary goal of any
34:00
Speaker 2: affordability and abundance.
34:02
Speaker 1: So they're setting out the priorities there pretty clearly.
34:08
Speaker 19: Well, that sounds very encouraging indeed, because what that means
34:11
Speaker 19: is that we're going to be able to expose what's
34:13
Speaker 19: really a tremendous bait and switch that has occurred over
34:16
Speaker 19: the course of the last four or five years. Because
34:18
Speaker 19: four or five years ago, back in about twenty twenty,
34:21
Speaker 19: there was an idea that this renewable energy would ultimately
34:24
Speaker 19: be affordable and cheap. We were telling ourselves that it
34:27
Speaker 19: would produce electricity at seventy dollars below, seventy dollars seventy
34:30
Speaker 19: dollars a megal hour and below. But now we're talking
34:33
Speaker 19: about this firmed reliable renewable energy being one hundred and
34:36
Speaker 19: fifty dollars or one hundred and seventy dollars and above,
34:39
Speaker 19: and so, But what has happened since the since the
34:42
Speaker 19: governments and the politicians committed to the targets, this massive
34:45
Speaker 19: bait and switch has occurred as the evidence has emerged
34:47
Speaker 19: of how expensive this is going to be, where institutions
34:50
Speaker 19: stopped assessing the destination, they stopped assessing whether going towards
34:54
Speaker 19: a full renewable system is actually leased cost and in consumers' interest,
34:57
Speaker 19: and started simply assessing whether we've got the best way
35:00
Speaker 19: to get there, because it's become very clear that trying
35:03
Speaker 19: to get to net zero and very high levels of
35:05
Speaker 19: renewable energy are much much more expensive than the electricity
35:09
Speaker 19: system we used to have and an alternative we could
35:11
Speaker 19: have if we continue to run with fossil fuels or nuclear.
35:14
Speaker 19: But they've done this bait and switch where they've basically said,
35:17
Speaker 19: because we're so fixated on net zero, and that's been
35:20
Speaker 19: the binding priority. So far, we're no longer assessing how
35:24
Speaker 19: much will cost, and we're only assessing whether we're doing
35:26
Speaker 19: the best on the cost given we're committed to go there.
35:29
Speaker 19: So changing that priority is actually crucial, and I'm encouraged
35:32
Speaker 19: to hear the Liberal Party might have actually done that,
35:34
Speaker 19: because you have to reject the primacy of the emission's
35:37
Speaker 19: productions in order to expose what has happened with all
35:40
Speaker 19: our institutions now basically trying to hide the evidence that
35:44
Speaker 19: what we're doing is very, very expensive.
35:45
Speaker 2: Indeed brilliantly explained as ever, Aiden, thanks so much for
35:49
Speaker 2: joining us, Aid Morrison there with his expertise in this area.
35:52
Speaker 1: He's with the Center for Independent Studies.
35:54
Speaker 2: I want to switch to the crime crisis that's be
35:57
Speaker 2: deviling our country now, especially the state of Victoria. And
36:01
Speaker 2: despite Victorian Premier just into Alan telling us a few
36:04
Speaker 2: weeks ago that Melbourne is safe and everything is fine,
36:08
Speaker 2: she's finally been forced to act on the state's youth
36:11
Speaker 2: crime crisis.
36:13
Speaker 1: Victoria will follow in.
36:15
Speaker 2: Queensland's footsteps and it's going to introduce adult time for
36:20
Speaker 2: violent crime laws for children aged fourteen and over who
36:24
Speaker 2: commit home invasions, carjackings or machete attacks.
36:28
Speaker 1: He is just into Alan speaking earlier.
36:31
Speaker 18: Too many victims keep telling me that there are not
36:35
Speaker 18: enough consequences. This is about recognizing that there needs to
36:39
Speaker 18: be and must be consequences for children who commit these
36:44
Speaker 18: violent crimes. And as a parent, we all know that
36:48
Speaker 18: children need boundaries.
36:50
Speaker 2: Let's get an expert's view on this one too, and
36:52
Speaker 2: bring in doctor Zanthony Mallett, who's a criminologist at the
36:56
Speaker 2: Central Queensland University. Good to talk to you again, XANTHI,
36:59
Speaker 2: I suppose, but before we go to Victoria, tell us
37:02
Speaker 2: about what's.
37:03
Speaker 1: Happened in Queensland, because they've brought in.
37:05
Speaker 2: These sorts of laws adult penalties, adult sentences for fourteen
37:10
Speaker 2: and for fourteen year olds between fourteen and eighteen if
37:14
Speaker 2: they commit some particularly egregious crimes.
37:17
Speaker 1: Has it worked there?
37:19
Speaker 21: Good afternoon. Well, it's a little too early to tell.
37:22
Speaker 21: The laws were only fought in in May this year,
37:24
Speaker 21: so we'll have to wait and see whether it has
37:26
Speaker 21: any kind of deterrent effect at all. But I certainly
37:29
Speaker 21: have some concerns around fourteen year olds being sentenced as adults,
37:33
Speaker 21: and I think this is more of a political move
37:36
Speaker 21: potentially than one that will actually see a significant reduction
37:40
Speaker 21: in crime and protection of victims.
37:43
Speaker 2: I've seen some statistics that were quoted in the Victorian
37:45
Speaker 2: media about the experience in Queensland, and they're suggesting that
37:50
Speaker 2: some levels of youth crime have turned downwards over the
37:55
Speaker 2: past year. Is that the case and what do you
37:58
Speaker 2: attribute that to?
38:00
Speaker 21: The could be any number of factors in impacting that.
38:03
Speaker 21: So it's very hard to kind of look at that
38:05
Speaker 21: without doing a deep dive into the numbers. But we
38:08
Speaker 21: certainly know that really, if we're going to tackle youth
38:10
Speaker 21: crime meaningfully, we shouldn't be locking young people up. And
38:14
Speaker 21: that may be an unpopular opinion. Victim advocates may say that,
38:18
Speaker 21: you know, obviously for serious offenders, we do maybe need
38:21
Speaker 21: to look at incarceration, but we know the research tells
38:25
Speaker 21: us that intervention, prevention, more pro social activities, community engagement
38:31
Speaker 21: will actually prevent the crimes from happening in the first place,
38:35
Speaker 21: prevent these young people from joining these groups, from carrying machetes,
38:38
Speaker 21: from engaging in these aggravated assaults, burglaries, carjackings, etc. So
38:44
Speaker 21: I don't believe that this is the answer, and I
38:46
Speaker 21: don't believe that that will be born out in the
38:48
Speaker 21: data in Queensland or Victoria when we've had time to
38:51
Speaker 21: really analyze that in a year or two.
38:54
Speaker 2: But what about the higher levels of recidivism that we're
38:56
Speaker 2: seeing in some of these youth criminals SRI charges Where
39:00
Speaker 2: there are victims serious offenses, violent offenses, they're bailed or
39:05
Speaker 2: not given a cast idial sentence and they re offend.
39:08
Speaker 2: They're surely locking these people up then is going to
39:12
Speaker 2: be the best way to protect the community.
39:15
Speaker 21: Well, there is a hardened group of probably around ten
39:17
Speaker 21: percent that are committing most of the violent acts that
39:20
Speaker 21: we're seeing, But for the majority of young people who
39:23
Speaker 21: are engaged in these activities, they're not that far down
39:26
Speaker 21: the criminal track. And if we simply lock them up,
39:28
Speaker 21: especially if we're giving life sentences for some of these
39:31
Speaker 21: aggravated assaults, etc. The sentences are longer than those that
39:35
Speaker 21: the young people would receive for rape or manslaughter. If
39:39
Speaker 21: we start locking fourteen and fifteen year olds up for life,
39:42
Speaker 21: really the chances of rehabilitation are zero at that stage.
39:47
Speaker 21: So what's going to happen when these people are eventually released,
39:51
Speaker 21: and many of them will be after these long sentences,
39:54
Speaker 21: They're not going to be useful member of society, they're
39:57
Speaker 21: going to be potentially more criminalized. So I just don't
40:00
Speaker 21: think that this is the way to go. I think
40:02
Speaker 21: young people's brains aren't developed enough to really look at
40:05
Speaker 21: the consequences, and life imprisonment for fourteen and fifteen year
40:08
Speaker 21: olds I think is just deeply inappropriate.
40:11
Speaker 2: So what DoD we likely to see in Victoria given
40:13
Speaker 2: what Justina Allen has announced.
40:16
Speaker 21: Well, that's a good question, isn't it. Because I don't
40:18
Speaker 21: think young people are going to look at the laws
40:19
Speaker 21: and really feel that there is much of a deterrent effect.
40:22
Speaker 21: I don't think that they really think like that, So
40:25
Speaker 21: I think we need to look at much more holistic
40:28
Speaker 21: ways of dealing with this crime. So ultimately, I don't
40:31
Speaker 21: think there will be much reduction in crime, and if
40:33
Speaker 21: there is, it will be as a result of a
40:35
Speaker 21: number of measures, and certainly not as a result of
40:39
Speaker 21: simply giving young people the sentences of adults.
40:42
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, as Anthony, I appreciate it as ever,
40:45
Speaker 2: doctors Anthony Mallett the who's a criminologist from the Central
40:48
Speaker 2: Queensland University. On the new tough laws proposed for Victoria,
40:53
Speaker 2: we'll hear more about them in coming days, and we'll
40:56
Speaker 2: hear more about the political debate that will ensue from
40:58
Speaker 2: that as Justina Alan tries to crack down on youth crime.
41:02
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break now, be in
41:04
Speaker 2: a busy program. We're going to catch up with Liberal
41:06
Speaker 2: Senator Dave Sharma. He was in that historic meeting today
41:09
Speaker 2: in Canberra.
41:10
Speaker 1: We'll get his thoughts in a moment.
41:16
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, with that Liberal Party policy meeting party
41:19
Speaker 2: room meeting today to discuss their climate and energy policy,
41:23
Speaker 2: or as they would say it, the energy and the
41:25
Speaker 2: missions reductions policy now and Dan teen gave a press
41:28
Speaker 2: commerce where he didn't say much.
41:29
Speaker 1: She actually pointed, though, to a list of principles that.
41:32
Speaker 2: The party has signed up to. Now, there's two guiding
41:35
Speaker 2: principles referring to having a reliable energy grid with affordable
41:39
Speaker 2: power for households and businesses and also reducing emissions in
41:43
Speaker 2: a responsible, transparent way.
41:45
Speaker 1: And then there's eight other principles. He's the top four
41:48
Speaker 1: of those.
41:48
Speaker 2: One is to have affordable, abundant, reliable energy supply. Secondly,
41:52
Speaker 2: technology neutrality, that is, bring everything in use, everything including
41:56
Speaker 2: nuclear of course, a commitment to the Paris of agreement,
42:00
Speaker 2: So no mention of net zero, but sticking with Paris
42:04
Speaker 2: and rejecting all of Labour's unrealistic targets. Let's bring in
42:08
Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma, who was in that meeting today.
42:11
Speaker 1: Dave, was it all sweetness and light? You've all come
42:14
Speaker 1: out of a happy United team.
42:18
Speaker 22: Look, it was a good discussion, Chris. Everyone got to
42:21
Speaker 22: have their say. I think there's a large number of
42:23
Speaker 22: areas of agreement, which Dan teen has identified. I think
42:27
Speaker 22: we all agree that Labour's energy transition is failing. It's
42:31
Speaker 22: pushing up prices, it's worsening reliability, and it's not bringing
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Speaker 22: down emissions. And we're all agreed that energy prices need
42:38
Speaker 22: to be brought down, not only for households but for
42:40
Speaker 22: the economy to be more competitive.
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Speaker 20: So I think the Liberals are united around that.
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Speaker 22: There's still a bit of work to do that, and
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Speaker 22: there's still a Shadow Ministry meeting tomorrow which will actually
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Speaker 22: adopt a policy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So you're forgetting these targets like twenty thirty and net
42:55
Speaker 2: zero by twenty fifty, crucially, but staying in power.
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Speaker 1: So how does it work in the.
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Speaker 2: Global diplomacy if you stay in the Paris Agreement, but
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Speaker 2: don't sign up to any hard fast targets.
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Speaker 22: Well, look, the Paris Agreement commits each country to submit
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Speaker 22: it's called nationally determined contributions every five years. So if
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Speaker 22: we're in the Paris Agreement, we will be having emissions
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Speaker 22: reduction targets. We will need to be submitting emissions reduction targets,
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Speaker 22: but I think we would all be. I think we're
43:29
Speaker 22: of agreement in the Liberal party room that Labour's current
43:33
Speaker 22: reductions target, for instance, for twenty thirty five of sixty
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Speaker 22: two to seventy percent, is completely unrealistic and will break
43:40
Speaker 22: our economy and our energy system. The twenty thirty target
43:43
Speaker 22: looks unattainable at this stage as well, so I think
43:46
Speaker 22: we will be putting forward responsible emissions reduction targets now.
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Speaker 2: Obviously having me privy to the detailed discussions you have had,
43:54
Speaker 2: and we'll all see more policy today. But from my
43:56
Speaker 2: quick reading of this document and the principles, let me
44:00
Speaker 2: just pick out what I think is a really important
44:02
Speaker 2: policy point and then a very important political one. Policy wise,
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Speaker 2: I think the priority here is just key, as we
44:09
Speaker 2: just had in that discussion with Aden Morrison, where the
44:11
Speaker 2: priority will clearly be on energy affordability and reliability. That's
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Speaker 2: the number one goal. Emissions reductions come second. That's the
44:20
Speaker 2: sort of a flipping of Labour's priorities, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: And a crucial one going forward.
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Speaker 22: Well, I think Labor has been pursuing emissions reductions at
44:32
Speaker 22: all costs, and they haven't been particularly successful in getting
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Speaker 22: any emissions reductions. I mean, emissions now are roughly where
44:39
Speaker 22: they were when Labor took office, so they haven't come
44:41
Speaker 22: down at all. The coalition was able were lasting to
44:44
Speaker 22: bring down emissions and also bring down price. That's what
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Speaker 22: we'd like to see happening. And we think Labor has
44:49
Speaker 22: completely lost any focus or priority on the.
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Speaker 20: Cost of electricity.
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Speaker 22: Instead, we've got them taking tax payer money and bailing
44:57
Speaker 22: out consumers or trying to relieve their energy price burdens
45:00
Speaker 22: with these one off cash handouts, which is no way
45:03
Speaker 22: to run a government.
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Speaker 2: Now, the other policy point that I think has got
45:06
Speaker 2: real political opportunities here for you, that is the eighth principle,
45:10
Speaker 2: and it's about scrapping carbon taxes, tariffs and mandates. And
45:14
Speaker 2: you say that the Liberals are going to oppose the
45:16
Speaker 2: mandated decline in the safeguard mechanism are kind of a
45:21
Speaker 2: de facto carbon tax that labor has. You're going to
45:24
Speaker 2: get rid of the penalties in the National Vehicle and
45:26
Speaker 2: Mission Standard and the fringe benefit tax exemptions for electric vehicles,
45:32
Speaker 2: and oppose any other carbon border adjustment mechanisms.
45:35
Speaker 1: I mean, this gives you the chance to.
45:38
Speaker 2: Actually promise tax cuts that are out there, the spending
45:43
Speaker 2: that labor is throwing around on net zero related programs.
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Speaker 22: Look, what we're saying is let's let different forms of
45:53
Speaker 22: energy compete on their own terms and on their own merits.
45:56
Speaker 20: So you know, if.
45:58
Speaker 22: Renewable energy is cheaper, more affordable households want to install,
46:01
Speaker 22: good luck to them. If people would prefer to drive
46:03
Speaker 22: an electric vehicle and charge it at home, they should
46:06
Speaker 22: be free. What we should stop doing is to keep
46:09
Speaker 22: trying to subsidize.
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Speaker 20: Or interfere in the market in a.
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Speaker 22: Way that props up certain forms of energy and punishes
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Speaker 22: others in a way that's completely distorted all market mechanisms,
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Speaker 22: and as a result, we have a very expensive energy
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Speaker 22: transition that's not actually transitioning us anywhere.
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Speaker 20: At the moment.
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Speaker 2: It is common sense. Therefore, it is music to my ears.
46:28
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Dove, I appreciate it.
46:31
Speaker 2: Dave Shema, the Liberal Senator for New South Wales. We'll
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Speaker 2: hear more about this tomorrow. Take a break, go on
46:36
Speaker 2: the other side of the Wednesday wrangle. Danika and Justin
46:38
Speaker 2: are ready to go. Let's get it into the wrangle
46:45
Speaker 2: now with Dannika to Giorgio.
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Speaker 1: On the set here with me.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you again, and Justin Smith, columnist and broadcaster,
46:51
Speaker 2: joins us as ever from the wonderful city of Melbourne.
46:54
Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of time, guys, because our
46:56
Speaker 2: program has been hijacked by the Liberals. In camera, I
47:01
Speaker 2: want to go to some pictures from Have a look
47:03
Speaker 2: at this. There's this shot. This is fam earlier today,
47:05
Speaker 2: just before midday, as they're filing into the party room.
47:08
Speaker 2: And look at this for a gathering of the key conservices,
47:11
Speaker 2: Conservatives just In the happy Crow, Angus Taylor, Andrew Hasty,
47:17
Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson. That was that was like the factional divide,
47:21
Speaker 2: writ lards for everyone to see.
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Speaker 1: Justin then it looks to me like they won.
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Speaker 23: Yes, yeah, I haven't seen I haven't seen the Liberal
47:30
Speaker 23: Party smile for a while. Someone should frame that and
47:33
Speaker 23: stick it up somewhere. But hey, it's going to be
47:37
Speaker 23: It's going to be a big week, isn't it. Because
47:39
Speaker 23: I'm not trying to be funny when I say this,
47:41
Speaker 23: but you know, the electorate is not stupid, and that
47:45
Speaker 23: was shown at the last election. So it's not really
47:48
Speaker 23: what they've done. What the Liberal Party has done and
47:49
Speaker 23: the coalition has done, is they've brought all the attention
47:52
Speaker 23: on them, like enormous spotlight on them. So the electorate
47:56
Speaker 23: is looking at them saying, right, okay, what are you
47:58
Speaker 23: What are you going to do?
47:59
Speaker 20: What have you got for us? What your plan here?
48:01
Speaker 23: So it better be if you give the expression a
48:04
Speaker 23: bloody ripper, because if it isn't, they're going to suffer
48:07
Speaker 23: ten times more than they would have before.
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Speaker 1: So at words, a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of words, a lot more detailed to come, Danika, but
48:14
Speaker 2: the key point here is very clear. That is they
48:17
Speaker 2: are going to prioritize electricity supply and affordability over emissions cuts.
48:23
Speaker 4: We still don't know what that looks like. Does that
48:25
Speaker 4: include nuclear in the mix of it week?
48:27
Speaker 1: Yes?
48:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does nuclear in the mixed small gas initially.
48:30
Speaker 4: I mean the thing is is that I feel like
48:32
Speaker 4: all we've got today is everything but nothing, you know,
48:35
Speaker 4: I mean Dante and stood out there, he gave his
48:38
Speaker 4: small press calls.
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Speaker 1: He said nothing. I know. We've got a report.
48:41
Speaker 4: Which just basically takes us through the guiding principles, and
48:45
Speaker 4: then they're going to have another meeting tomorrow. And then
48:47
Speaker 4: they're going to have another meeting. Chris, we hate meeting
48:49
Speaker 4: on Sunday.
48:50
Speaker 1: So we hate meetings. We hate this boring process. Well,
48:54
Speaker 1: it's going on spot past. But look, the.
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Speaker 4: Only other thing is that a commitment to the Paris Agreement.
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Speaker 4: That would be the only thing that I would say
49:02
Speaker 4: that that's come out of this today. But again, there's
49:07
Speaker 4: nothing really to say about it because we still don't
49:10
Speaker 4: have the fundamental details of what the Liberal Party are doing.
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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, well, but is that going to be any
49:15
Speaker 23: different in a couple of weeks? In a couple of
49:17
Speaker 23: weeks time, sorry Christ to butt in, but is that
49:19
Speaker 23: really going to be any different in a.
49:21
Speaker 1: Couple of weeks?
49:21
Speaker 23: Are they going to have actually something of substance, because
49:24
Speaker 23: that's going to be well, they've talked it up, now
49:28
Speaker 23: what is it?
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Speaker 2: There are some points in here that some points in
49:31
Speaker 2: here that will be specific policies and this will trouble you,
49:34
Speaker 2: But I'll get rid of the tax benefits and grants
49:36
Speaker 2: for electric vehicles and the like. They're going to stop
49:39
Speaker 2: handing out taxpayers money to push their agenda.
49:42
Speaker 1: That sort of stuff. That's gold.
49:45
Speaker 23: And we were so close to you getting one, mate,
49:48
Speaker 23: We were inches away from you getting one of those companies.
49:51
Speaker 1: I might get one. You know that.
49:53
Speaker 2: That makes sense, But other taxpayers shouldn't have to pay
49:56
Speaker 2: for it.
49:57
Speaker 1: It's like my neighbors the other day letting me know
49:59
Speaker 1: they're getting the big batteries installed. My taxes are helping
50:02
Speaker 1: to pay for that. Exactly.
50:03
Speaker 4: That's the only problem problem exactly. But I mean, but
50:06
Speaker 4: just like our taxes are helping to pay us on
50:08
Speaker 4: this renewables only fantasy. So let's just hope Chris, that
50:10
Speaker 4: by the end of this week there is some differentiation
50:13
Speaker 4: between the Coalition and the Labor Party on their energy policy,
50:17
Speaker 4: because right now we cannot continue on the way that
50:19
Speaker 4: we are going.
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Speaker 1: Let's just see. I'm hopeful that tomorrow.
50:22
Speaker 4: But by the sounds of it, twenty eight voted again,
50:24
Speaker 4: seventeen were pro and only four were unclear.
50:28
Speaker 2: So this movie move on, because sadly we will be
50:31
Speaker 2: talking about this again tomorrow.
50:33
Speaker 1: But Justin was only a couple of weeks ago on this.
50:35
Speaker 2: Program where you lamented to all this worry about the
50:38
Speaker 2: crime situation.
50:40
Speaker 1: What are we going to do? Who's got an idea?
50:42
Speaker 1: And I said, and I think Denika agree with me.
50:45
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing you do in Victoria is have
50:47
Speaker 2: a look at what's happening in Queensland and maybe emulate
50:50
Speaker 2: those laws. Well, it seems that you said that Alan
50:53
Speaker 2: must have been watching, because look, she's going to copum it.
50:56
Speaker 1: She may have been watching you.
50:57
Speaker 23: They make there's a turn up, said our takes on
51:00
Speaker 23: a Chris Kenny suggestion.
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Speaker 1: This is I think she's done that. I think she's
51:04
Speaker 1: done that. We'll come back to you in a minute. Justin,
51:06
Speaker 1: here's what she said to say.
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Speaker 18: There are too many victims and not enough consequences. It's
51:14
Speaker 18: why Victoria will introduce adult time for violent crime, where
51:19
Speaker 18: the courts will treat children for these crimes like adults,
51:24
Speaker 18: where jail will be more likely and sentences will be longer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Justin, she's copying Queensland now principles out the window.
51:34
Speaker 2: A lot of labor people are going to hate this, right, yeah.
51:38
Speaker 23: They probably will, But look The thing is, I was
51:40
Speaker 23: saying when we were talking about it a couple of
51:42
Speaker 23: weeks ago, the problem is not in the laws.
51:44
Speaker 1: There are plenty of laws there.
51:45
Speaker 23: So we've we've got big penalties now for adam let's
51:48
Speaker 23: put the kids to one side, big penalties for adults now.
51:52
Speaker 23: But we have allowed pedophiles to go free without serving
51:55
Speaker 23: any jail time. These are people found guilty. We've let
51:58
Speaker 23: murderers of the worst murders you could think of, not
52:01
Speaker 23: getting the maximum sentence. So what are the chances the
52:04
Speaker 23: judges in Victoria handing out these big penalties.
52:08
Speaker 1: To these Give yoursel It's not going to happen. It's
52:10
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Let me get I.
52:13
Speaker 4: Think it's more than that. I firstly, I'll actually believe
52:16
Speaker 4: it when it's implemented. I mean, for an example, you know,
52:18
Speaker 4: just Sinta Allen was talking about unmasking protesters Chris intercept
52:21
Speaker 4: later for you, and then she repeated her lines a
52:24
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, back in September, and we're we're
52:26
Speaker 4: still waiting for it. And I do think it's got
52:28
Speaker 4: a lot to do with the law. She could have
52:30
Speaker 4: implemented Jack's law. That's another law up in Queensland. There
52:33
Speaker 4: were things that she could have put in place and
52:35
Speaker 4: she hasn't done that yet.
52:36
Speaker 1: I believe it when I say it.
52:37
Speaker 20: It's the courts.
52:38
Speaker 2: It is the courts, and it's the politicians, and it's
52:41
Speaker 2: the resourcing.
52:42
Speaker 1: But I'm with Denika in the end. You've actually got
52:44
Speaker 1: to do stuff, not just talk about it. The politicians
52:47
Speaker 1: just talk too much.
52:48
Speaker 2: They're spectators instead of actors in this Thanks for joining us,
52:51
Speaker 2: Justin and Denika will catch you next week.
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Speaker 1: Here's Peter Quiblin