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The Bolt Report | 20 November · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: It's the bulk report it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, another Liberal leader bites the dust, just hours after
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  Speaker 2: telling us no one's challenging him.
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  Speaker 3: As Mark Twain once said, reports of my death have
• 0:24
  Speaker 3: been greatly exaggerated.
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  Speaker 2: Replacing Mark Speakman is almost certainly going to be FORMATIV
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  Speaker 2: journalist Kelly Sloan, WHI should mean an end to the
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  Speaker 2: yammer about the liberals mythical women's problem with Liberal leaders
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  Speaker 2: also in Canberra who are female, and in Victoria another woman,
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  Speaker 2: and in the Northern Territory yet to another woman, a
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  Speaker 2: note to labor. It's all been done without quotas. Also
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  Speaker 2: tonight Chris Bone just saved us a billion dollars by
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  Speaker 2: failing yet again. It's getting better at it. And I'll
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  Speaker 2: talk to a Hobart that so the sensor for using
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  Speaker 2: the words mind virus. And with the ashes, Tomorrow's Captain
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  Speaker 2: Steve Smith delivers an all time classic whack against an
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  Speaker 2: English spinner who trashed him. But first, the Britney Higgins scandal.
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  Speaker 2: It's now dragged in the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's false
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  Speaker 2: comments yesterday on that scandal, on Higgins's lies on Labour's
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  Speaker 2: dirty deal with the backfired I can reveal tonight that
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  Speaker 2: former Liberal Defense Minister Linda Reynolds now plans to call
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  Speaker 2: Albinizi as a witness in her court case against the government.
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  Speaker 2: And this afternoon, Reynolds is a statement saying, I am
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  Speaker 2: not afraid to keep taking this all the way to
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  Speaker 2: expose the truth. Reynolds is suing the Commonwealth for negligence
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  Speaker 2: and breach of duty. She is furious that the government
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  Speaker 2: treated as true claims by Higgins, which two judges have
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  Speaker 2: since said were false. Reynolds said, covered up the rape
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  Speaker 2: of Higgins, her employee, by another Liberal staffer. And this
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  Speaker 2: is the dirty deal that the Albanize government later paid
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  Speaker 2: Higgins two point four million dollars in compensation in part
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  Speaker 2: for that false claim of a cover up, and after
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  Speaker 2: it only paid it after it had banned Reynolds from
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  Speaker 2: proving those lies were indeed lies. Like I said, dirty deal,
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  Speaker 2: and like I said, two judges in two defamation cases
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  Speaker 2: have since found yes, those claims were not false. Reynolds
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  Speaker 2: had not tried to cover up any rape, She had
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  Speaker 2: not tried to stop Higgins going to police, She had
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  Speaker 2: not treated her meanly. Yet Albany's in Laby used exactly
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  Speaker 2: those lies to destroy the Morrison government before my opinion
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  Speaker 2: rewarding Higgins with two point four million dollars in part
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  Speaker 2: for telling those lies. Now easy is in Reynolds's sight
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  Speaker 2: now because of the misleading and false claims that he
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  Speaker 2: made yesterday about this dirty deal when questioned by journalists. Now,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, discussed them last night. But tonight I
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  Speaker 2: want to go through two answers in particular that expose
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  Speaker 2: alban easy Is as untruthful or misleading. It's in a
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  Speaker 2: bit of trouble. First, it was this when Albaniz was
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  Speaker 2: asked about the two judgments that dismissed higgins claims of
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  Speaker 2: a cover up.
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  Speaker 3: Judges in the in the Supreme put in the reader
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  Speaker 3: for it now found in his no that he would
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  Speaker 3: cover up.
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  Speaker 1: With Frick Higgins. Right, do you accept those minds.
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  Speaker 4: The kind of commenting on legal matters, But.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a legal matter that that's not the current
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  Speaker 5: cases with Supreme or the judgment wa now know you
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  Speaker 5: will party cover up part didn't find for Him's what
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  Speaker 5: a great off the judge has done.
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  Speaker 4: That's kind of the big issue. But there's all that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of the biggest allegation of the liber that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of the big.
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  Speaker 5: All found there was no evidence of Therefore, should the
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  Speaker 5: payout to Brittany Higgins have been more rigorous to protect
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  Speaker 5: the reputations of Linda Reynolds and Fiona Brown.
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  Speaker 4: Those things are hand hands off from the governor. I
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  Speaker 4: had no role in that as Prime Minister, and that's
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  Speaker 4: entirely appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: Now you heard there Albanizi, first trying to get out
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  Speaker 2: of answering, then mocking the questions so trivial, and then
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  Speaker 2: telling a falsehood that these matters were you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was all hands off from the government. That is false.
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  Speaker 2: The deed of settlement giving Higgins this extraordinary amount of
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  Speaker 2: taxpayer money was in fact signed off by Albanese's Attorney
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  Speaker 2: General Mark Dreyfuss, and by signing off on that, albeit
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  Speaker 2: without any admissions of liability, the government was in effect
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  Speaker 2: saying that higgins lies about a Liberal government cover up
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  Speaker 2: of the rape were in fact true. To the second
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  Speaker 2: falsehood that Albi told yesterday, denying that two of his
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  Speaker 2: front benchers you know so called being girls. Well this
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  Speaker 2: is now the Finance mister k De Gallagher on the
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  Speaker 2: left ear and Foreign Minister Petty One in the right
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  Speaker 2: that they had used higgins lies of a cover up
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  Speaker 2: as a weapon against Reynolds and the Liberals. Is ALBANIZI.
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  Speaker 5: Your senators who led the charge of fable party cover
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  Speaker 5: up over the Higgins play apologize to Reds.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's not right.
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  Speaker 4: I don't accept that characterization.
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  Speaker 2: What don't you accept?
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  Speaker 3: I don't accept.
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  Speaker 4: I don't accept you accept that I don't accept. I
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  Speaker 4: don't accept that characterization.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, completely misleading, completely, These labor mean girls hounded
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  Speaker 2: Reynolds viciously.
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  Speaker 6: I did answer your questions to the point that you
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  Speaker 6: ground me to the ground and ended me ended.
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  Speaker 1: Up in hospital.
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  Speaker 7: But I'm bactly, I'm answering questions. I'm answering questions, and I'm.
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  Speaker 1: A still age that we've put you in hospitals.
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  Speaker 8: You just let I put you in the hospital, Senator Reynolds.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if Senator nobody.
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  Speaker 8: Questions, nobody takes pleasure, I'd like to respond.
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  Speaker 7: To having two yell at me at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: And Albanize himself back then, Weaponize also weaponized higgins false
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  Speaker 2: claims of a liberal liberal cover up of her rape.
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  Speaker 4: We owe a dead of gratitude to everyone in this
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  Speaker 4: building as well as every former staff member who stepped
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  Speaker 4: up to share their experiences of workplace bullying. I also acknowledge,
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  Speaker 4: particularly the women who bravely stood up and called out
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  Speaker 4: a culture of mistreatment that brought this issue into the light,
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  Speaker 4: and I particularly paid tribute to the courage of Brittany Higgins.
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  Speaker 2: Now. Reynolds, in a statement this afternoon, said the significance
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  Speaker 2: of Albanese's comments shouldn't be understated. She said, putting aside
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  Speaker 2: his complete failure to grasp the findings of two separate
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  Speaker 2: judgments of superior courts of this country yesterday demonstrated EI
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  Speaker 2: there a complete lack of understanding of his government's role
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  Speaker 2: in the settlement of Miss Higgins's claims against me, or
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  Speaker 2: a blatant lie. So who knows what questions Alwyn Easy
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  Speaker 2: or another government minister may have to answer on oath
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  Speaker 2: if Reynolds does now succeed in getting them into court.
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  Speaker 2: If she can use pre trial discovery to lay bare
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  Speaker 2: any relevant documents from the government, any communications and correspondence
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  Speaker 2: about this settlement, that's her main hope. But I sure
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  Speaker 2: have a few questions already. For instance, why did that
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  Speaker 2: settlement include nearly one and a half million dollars of
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  Speaker 2: compensation for Higgins probably being unable to work, when of
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  Speaker 2: course she's instead quickly got herself new jobs. Then there's
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  Speaker 2: one of the more curious things about the case that
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  Speaker 2: effects Reynolds directly as a Cantrists made two reports for
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  Speaker 2: Higgins lawyers made, he said, on the same day, yet
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  Speaker 2: each very different. The one blamed all of Higgins's mental
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  Speaker 2: harm on her rape. The other blamed forty percent of
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  Speaker 2: that harm on Reynolds and the Liberals treatment of Higgins. Now,
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  Speaker 2: of course that second statement was the one that was
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  Speaker 2: then used to sue Reynolds and the government and win
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  Speaker 2: all that compensation, or a significant chunk of it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: why why that statement? Why were any checks made by
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  Speaker 2: the government on that assessment? And if there weren't, why
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  Speaker 2: why not? I mean, there are just so many questions
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  Speaker 2: about the dirtiest scandal of this Albanezi government. I've got
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  Speaker 2: to just step out of the crease and talk about
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: Chris Bone again, because really, is there anything Chris Bone
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  Speaker 2: has done as the Albany government's Climate change and energy
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  Speaker 2: minister that hasn't failed except today this time we should
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  Speaker 2: actually be grateful. Now Boone is in Belem, Brazil at
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  Speaker 2: the annual United Nations Global Warming circus called COP, and
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  Speaker 2: he has been lobbying there to get next years COP
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  Speaker 2: held in Adelaide, But oh dear, another Chris Bowen failed.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to Turkey instead, and that leaves Bowen and
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi today trying to make another failure sound like a win.
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  Speaker 4: What we did, We've come up with an outstanding result.
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  Speaker 4: COP thirty one will be hosted by Turkey, and Turkey
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  Speaker 4: we'll have the COP presidency, but Chris Bowen and Australia
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  Speaker 4: will have the COP presidency for negotiations.
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  Speaker 6: That would be great if Australia could have it all,
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  Speaker 6: but we can't have it all.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a President Bowen negotiating climate deals with the
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  Speaker 2: Pacific ahead of the next COP. That should scare you
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  Speaker 2: because specific countries use global warming to guilt the West,
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  Speaker 2: including Australia, into sharing them with millions billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And yet we should still be grateful for today because
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  Speaker 2: not getting next to you COP in Adelaide means saving
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  Speaker 2: the obscene cost of holding it, which the Albanizy governess
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  Speaker 2: that made to be between one and two billion dollars.
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  Speaker 9: We're facing a forty two billion dollar deficit in the
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  Speaker 9: twenty five twenty six year. The fact that this government
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  Speaker 9: even considered spending two billion dollars of taxpayers money on
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  Speaker 9: this exercise just goes to show how their priorities.
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  Speaker 2: Are all wrong. Honestly, we've wasted enough on this disaster already,
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  Speaker 2: Like on the thirty four South Australian Police, We've already
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  Speaker 2: paid to get ready for an Adelaide cop including two
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  Speaker 2: senior officers who've just been sent to the Bellum conference
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  Speaker 2: with Bowen. But now to today's breaking news, another Liberal
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  Speaker 2: leader has fallen. New South Wales Liberal leader Mark Speakman
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  Speaker 2: this morning was telling Sky News that all this talk
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  Speaker 2: about facing the leadership challenge from Health spokesman Kelly Sloan
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  Speaker 2: that was nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: As Mark Twain once said, reports of my death had
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: been greatly exaggerated.
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  Speaker 2: I deserve to stay. Not a bit about what I deserve.
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  Speaker 3: It's about what is the best interests of the party
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  Speaker 3: and the people of New South Wales. I offer experience, resilience,
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  Speaker 3: grit determination to lead the party to the next selection.
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  Speaker 2: You'd almost immediately have to speaking to us. Speakman Vanish
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  Speaker 2: canceled all media engagements and then emerged at five pm
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  Speaker 2: to say he was quitting reluctantly because Kelly Sloane indeed
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  Speaker 2: wanted to replace him.
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  Speaker 3: A day is a long time in politics, half a
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  Speaker 3: day is a long time in politics, and even a
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  Speaker 3: few hours are a long time in politics. This morning,
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  Speaker 3: the sun was shining, the birds were chirping, the jacaranas
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  Speaker 3: were blooming, and I was on breakfast radio and on
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  Speaker 3: TV and staying that I would be continuing as Liberal
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  Speaker 3: Party leader now.
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  Speaker 2: Speakman didn't think it was his fault that is being replaced.
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  Speaker 2: He blamed for behaving badly, for robbing him of clear
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  Speaker 2: air to get out his message. He especially blamed the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals in Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: I have faced the brand damage that has emanated from
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  Speaker 3: Canberra with a disarray since the May election, and the
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  Speaker 3: challenges to the Liberal brand generally.
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  Speaker 2: But like the fallen Brad Batton in Victoria, he otherwise
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  Speaker 2: showed grace, not quite as much as Baton, but normost
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  Speaker 2: praising and backing the woman who looks like replacing him.
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  Speaker 3: Kelly Sloane will be a fantastic leader if selected by
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  Speaker 3: the parliamentary Liberal Party. She is someone of enormous talent.
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  Speaker 3: She is not only a great communicator. She has extensive
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  Speaker 3: experience as a businesswoman.
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  Speaker 2: Sloane is a former TV journalist, like the new Liberal
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  Speaker 2: leader in Victoria, hasn't even served one full term in Parliament,
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  Speaker 2: and she is of the Liberal Left and suspect the
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  Speaker 2: net zero believer as well, but she is likely to
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  Speaker 2: win any contest for the leadership against the right wings
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: out of st the Hensken's the Shadow Attorney General. Joining
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: me is our regular Thursday commentator Baaby Joyce, the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: MP for now and former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby. Great
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  Speaker 2: to see you, will, Kelly Sloane, do you think do
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  Speaker 2: a better job against the new South Wales governor than
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  Speaker 2: Mark Speakman.
• 14:21
  Speaker 10: Well, mautreous nearly sey Bottom, It speak nothing but good
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  Speaker 10: of the dead. Mark wasn't going too far, was he?
• 14:28
  Speaker 10: Its like a It was like a truck on the
• 14:30
  Speaker 10: side of the road with flat tires, lots of potential
• 14:33
  Speaker 10: but not traveling anywhere.
• 14:34
  Speaker 7: And they had to make a change.
• 14:38
  Speaker 10: You see market functions and you literally have to introduce
• 14:41
  Speaker 10: him to people that no idea who he was, and
• 14:43
  Speaker 10: it wasn't cutting through. And so if Kelly is going
• 14:48
  Speaker 10: to have that capacity to go forward, if she just
• 14:51
  Speaker 10: wants to be an amelioration and a sort of a
• 14:54
  Speaker 10: form of labor left labor light left. Yep, she's going
• 14:58
  Speaker 10: to suffer the same fate.
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  Speaker 7: These days are over, Andrew.
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  Speaker 10: People want to hear a decisive message and if you
• 15:05
  Speaker 10: haven't got one, then they'll default to labor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you want a clear message. But unfortunately, you know,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of Kelly Sloane walking with a good
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: friend Matt Keane as a global warming fanatic. I mean, seriously,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: that's not good. I'm not sure you're going to get good.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: At least it's going to be I think, more presentable. So, oh,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: it's very bad. I'm sorry to bring you the bad news.
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  Speaker 2: I should have published the photo. Someone someone sent it
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  Speaker 2: to me. I'll see if I can hold up my
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: phone when I find it to the.
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  Speaker 7: Scrob Chris Andrew, Kelly's going nowhere. There you go, Kelly,
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm doing.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: You go nowhere, okay, mate, Chris Bowen. The only time,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: it's almost like the story of his life. The only
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: time he does good for Australia is supposedly, you know,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: fighting global warming is when he flops again. You know
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: it's lost a bit to get the new you in
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  Speaker 2: climate conference to Adelaide that will save us between one
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and two billion dollars. You're going to praise in this
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  Speaker 2: time for failing.
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  Speaker 7: We were about to spend good listeners.
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  Speaker 10: We're about to spend two billion dollars or borrow two
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  Speaker 10: billion dollars of your money for corporate billionaires to whoop
• 16:19
  Speaker 10: it up in Adelaide. I don't know what you're gonna
• 16:20
  Speaker 10: do those two billion dollars for new parking base for
• 16:23
  Speaker 10: corporate jets and lovely soireras and all these bevy of
• 16:27
  Speaker 10: bureaucrats coming in. And that's sort of the alternate government
• 16:30
  Speaker 10: that were as there, but we aren't aware of left
• 16:34
  Speaker 10: wing bureaucrats. Basically corporate billionaires swindling the show grifters all
• 16:41
  Speaker 10: there on the grange, on the grange together, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 10: on the grange and playing golf and talking about the climate.
• 16:47
  Speaker 10: And that's what we would have had if we'd peed
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  Speaker 10: this thirty two billion dollars up the wall for Cop
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  Speaker 10: thirty one.
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  Speaker 7: Do you know what they want? I'm just reading it tonight.
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: It's not much, not much.
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  Speaker 11: I just want two trillion to billion dollars to go
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  Speaker 11: to Africa to support Africa because of what we've done
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  Speaker 11: to the climate.
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  Speaker 7: You're not in people, It's just it's insane Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: About Toby. You don't need to tell me that. Listen.
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  Speaker 2: Here is the damning photos sent to me. Matt Keane,
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  Speaker 2: head of the Climate Change Authority, really mad on global warming,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: almost hand in hand with the new upcoming leader of
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the New South Wales Liberals. I think that's going to
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: chill any arter you have good Hey, listen, I just
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: said quickly, Susan Lee's opp is a leader. Yeah, she's
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: look I wrote her off, but then last couple of
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: days has been saying getting better and better tonight. As
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: of tonight she will have done twenty nine media events
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: since last Sunday's coalition meeting. I think she's lifted a game,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: although I have to say, man, she's got to make
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: a delivery more forceful, you know, punch out. This great
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: question keeps asking, which today prompted another weak answer from
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the government.
• 18:05
  Speaker 9: Ever listened, then a power price is going to come down.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: It's the old assets which are pushing power prices up,
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  Speaker 3: not the new renewable assets which are being introduced into
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the grid.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: But to me, it is them of power. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a question, but she's got to bang it out.
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  Speaker 7: Well.
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  Speaker 10: I think that I've never written Susan off. Other people have.
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  Speaker 10: I haven't, you know. I think that she's got a
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: very very very tough game, you know, the first apprentice
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: after Vaska at a political level.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: But you know this, she's just got to get binary.
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: The reason power prices are going up, lads in general
• 18:45
  Speaker 10: and watching this is intermitt of power. It's not renewable,
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: it doesn't make itself. It's intimate of power. What we've
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: got to do is build comfine power stations. If you
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: want to bring it down, I'm sorry to say this
• 18:56
  Speaker 10: to you, but it's the truth.
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  Speaker 7: Paris is just a toe on the water for a
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  Speaker 7: really crazy idea. Get out of it. Net zero. Thank
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: god it's gone.
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  Speaker 10: If you know, I hear this even on the streets
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  Speaker 10: outside town hall in Sydney when I went to John
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  Speaker 10: Wall's funeral.
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: People aren't stupid, they've got it. The people haven't got it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: As camera and if miss Jim Chalmers.
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  Speaker 10: Wants to go not election saying that he believes an
• 19:16
  Speaker 10: intimate of power and he thinks he's doing a great
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: job on electricity, prices. That's precisely what outside should want
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: because it will not help him.
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: People will leave him and they will leave him in drives.
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  Speaker 10: You know, the first side of me says I wish
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: we had got Cop thirty one because that would have
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: been the nail on the coffin.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, I think she's on the right track asking
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that question every day. I wanted to ask it for
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a long time more and ask it with real passion.
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  Speaker 2: But I think she's improving. Barnaby Jowyce, thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much indeed for your time. Look after the break, you've
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: got to say, there's a house now in Sydney getting
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: shot up with a machine gun. Machine gun. Yet that
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: is something the liberals labor will not talk about when
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: it comes to talking about immigration. A federal opposition now
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: plans to cut Labour's incredible levels of mass immigration in
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: part to ease the pressure on housing prices. And indeed,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: look at the latest started there expected price arises next
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  Speaker 2: year Sydney houses expected to go up nearly ten percent.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: But there is one other thing about it, mass immigration,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: that neither party will talk about because it's racist, it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: going to cost votes. Don't talk about something that's so obvious.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: For instance, about the machine gunning of one house last
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: week in Western Sydney machine gunning, or about three more
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: shootings of Western Sydney overnight. And just look at this
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: interview though with the Daily Telegraphs veteran crime reporter Mark Murray,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: when you discuss allegations about these shootings and two Muslim
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: crime families.
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: Two major crime gangs in the Alamedines and the House
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: much As who have actually controlled Sydney for quite a while.
• 21:03
  Speaker 12: They've been targeted by police. Members have been put in jail,
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: a lot of gone overseas, and this has left an
• 21:09
  Speaker 12: opportunity for some other young people that think that they
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: can move into those areas traditionally held by those very
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: strong crime families. The other major shift that we haven't
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: seen for a long long time in Sydney is the
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: Vietnamese crime gangs going very very public in their violence.
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: The people carrying out these shootings don't know who they're
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: doing them for and who the targets are or why
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: they are literally going on apps in encryptid apps where
• 21:40
  Speaker 12: jobs are contracted out, you're getting young, very young men,
• 21:45
  Speaker 12: this inexperience and the use of very very young, young,
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: disaffected youth, particularly from African Islander communities, are being exploited
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: by these groups.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Notice a theme, But don't talk about immigration, or about culture,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: or about failure of integration, because that would be racist,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: maybe even unlawful. Still, at least let me mention the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: docy of mass immigration at a time when governments of
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: preaching division, preaching that Australia is shameful. They fly three flags,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: they divide us into tribes. One viewer, Coco said, saw
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: this week a bus from Melbourne's Casey Council. It's Casey
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: three sixty bus for the Youth services, decorated on both
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: sides by every flag except the Australian one, the Aboriginal Torres,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Strait Islander and gay Pride flags, but not the Australian
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: flag that should unite us. So typical, and that is
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: in a council area when nearly sixty percent of locals
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: have both parents born overseas, especially from India, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Joining me of SKA, New's host James McPherson and communications
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: consultant Christian McSweeney has worked for coalition prime ministers and premiers.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: James isn't this exactly the wrong time for elected bodies
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to display every flag except our own, the Australian flag.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, Andrew, no one wants to be part of
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: a losing team. And it doesn't take you long, having
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: arrived in Australia to work out which is the losing team.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: White European Christian Australians are clearly the losing team. And
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: it's not other people saying that. We say that about ourselves.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: We are constantly apologetic for our history. We teach our
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: children that we have been the cause of all the
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: world's ills. And so new people to Australia pretty quickly
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: realize if that's the losing team, why would I ever
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: join it? So they retain their own culture and their
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: own identity.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: But there's a bigger issue here.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Andrew, and that is that years ago we embraced moral relativism.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: That is, you can't say what I'm doing is right
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: or wrong. Everyone should do what's right in their own eyes. Now,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: that's fine, but it leads to cultural relatives. If you
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: can't say one behavior is better or worse than another,
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: you can't say one culture is better or worse than another.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: And the moment you start to address cultural relativism, which
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: we need to because clearly we have an immigration problem.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: But if you're going to address that, then you're stuck
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: with the issue of moral relativism. You're going to have
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: to admit there is right and wrong, there is a
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: standard beyond ourselves. We don't want to admit that, so
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: we don't want to address cultural relativism. It all comes
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: back to moral relativism and our embrace of that. Until
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: we're willing to admit there is a standard beyond ourselves,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: then I'm afraid we're stuck with cultural relativism and the
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: increasing division we're seeing in our country.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: We don't even have to be right when we say
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: this is right and yours is wrong. The point is
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that a society cannot be sort of cohesion. You know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: cannot have cohesion unless there is a broad agreement as
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to what's right or wrong. It's like driving in there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: You know there's nothing necessarily right about on the left
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: side of the road. But if you just leave everyone
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to make up their own mind, you're going to have trouble. Indeed,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Chrissy's communications dropped out, so let me stick with you
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: for a sec I'd never James take political advice from
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a punk rock band. What listening to them, I've got
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: to tell you probably can tell what politics has treated
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: as of course it's good in their circles, and how
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: little thought they actually give to the slogan say parrot,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I want to show you Amy Taylor from the band
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: emmelin sniffers, sniffers after they cleaned up the at the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: ARIA Awards yesterday.
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: Henderson as the China I would like to say, all
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: immigrants welcome, dollars.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: All immigrant's so welcome, which is sure going to be
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: good news to some people overseas, maybe looking for a
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: new country, although it's odd that Taylor is actually welcoming
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: them into stolen land that she actually wants given back
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to Aboriginies. Christ and great to see you.
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: What do you make of that, well, Andrew, you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: unfortunately that is the arts sector as it is, or
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: not all of it. I must say we've seen over
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: the last couple of years, particularly with the anti Semitic
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: influences that have seeped into our arts and cultural institutions,
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: there is starting to be a bit of a pushback
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: around that group think. But of course the band says
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: a lot of statements that are recognizing Palestine. They're well known.
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: At their concerts, they talk about the fact that this
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: is a safe space to where your cafeir and wave
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: your Palestinian flag and support Palestine. That's okay, that's what
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: they want to do. They talk about indigenous rights. They're
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: an activist band. They have publicly decried Scott Morrison, so
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: they singled him out as a political.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Figure that they don't like.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: Unfortunately, you know, this is where we're at, where they
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: do have a voice to young people. There's not a
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: lot of critical thought involved there. I respect that they
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: have their opinions, and I respect that their followers aligned
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: to their views. But you know, these sorts of things
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: the time and place to engage in that sort of
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: activism increasingly, you know, in arts and music festivals it
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: seems to be.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: It just seems to be automatic. And the assumption that
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: all the audience agrees with them. I just find it, James,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: really weird. You know, Hey, you're on stolen land. Let's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: go and invite strangers that comes steal it too. I've here, really,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: but what do you make of all that?
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: Well, Andrew, these are people who enjoy the comfort of
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: opinion without the discomfort of thought. But that's pretty much
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: punk rock music right. It's wonderful, providing you don't think
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: too hard about either the lyrics or the music. I've
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: often watched what's happening in New York with Zorin Mamdani
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: and thought, how on earth could New Yorkers elect.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Someone like that?
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: Well, don't think that it wouldn't happen here in Australia
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: when you get you know, people have been put up
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: on a pedestal because they're good at punk rock music,
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: and they are. They're a great band if you're into
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: punk rock. But just because you play the guitar well
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: doesn't make you a philosopher. But they're being given a
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: stage to philosophize from, and all the young people say, oh,
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: it sounds amazing. Increase the doll give every pub a
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: million dollars and don't think that they won't cheer for
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: that and vote for that if someone gives them the opportunity.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: So we've got a big job to educate our younger generation,
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: that's for sure.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It's a lot about seeming rather than achieving. That's a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: great difference. Now, Christy, you have advised, as I said,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: at the start, you know, premiers and prime ministers we've lost,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: we've lost or we haven't lost. The Liberals have lost
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: two leaders. Now Nationals have lost the leader in New
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: South Wales. So in New South Wales this week the
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: National's got a new leader. The Liberals got a new leader.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: In Victoria, the Liberals got a new leader. What is
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: this telling you? Is this salvation seeking? Oh look, someone
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: will come and rescue us, some superman's superwoman or is
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: there something about who can present and who can't?
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: I think it says a lot about the fracturing of
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: the major party vote. Thirty percent of people in this
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: country only vote for major parties. It's well known, you know.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: The thirty percent is about where both the Coalition and
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: the Labor Party vote is. Labor, of course, has worked
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: out a really good preference strategy on their left flank
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: with the Greens that gives them the additional raise. The
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: Coalition needs an electoral percentage of about a forty plus
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: percent primary to win in their own right, with some
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: preferences from right landing minor parties. Now, because of that
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: fracturing of the major party system, everybody is worried about
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: the one nation vote from the right. They're also worried
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: about the moderate Liberal vote with the Tears and they're
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: looking for a solution, a leader that will capture that
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: a lot of different reasons. Of course, in Canberra we've
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: seen the Liberal Party think that they should out out
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: one nation one nation. In New South Wales it was
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: a moderate versus a moderate fight.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: In strift wing.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: Of course, it was whatever you want to call it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: It was not the conservative faction. And really interestingly this
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: week the energy debate, the climate change debate has kicked
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: off in the party room and the war was still
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: moderate versus moderate. Really really interesting there. Different from Canberra
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: and Victoria. Of course, they're really worried about the Till
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: vote and capturing some of that and hoping that Jess
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: Wilson will do that. All different reasons, all different political
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: concerns for one major party battling on the left and
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: the right. I think that's what it says to me,
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: what do we stand for and where's the center of
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: our party? Because we're trying to grab from the left
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: and we're trying to grab from the right all across Australia.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: It probably won't work.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Andrew Well, young, attractive, women who can talk well, maybe
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: they think that camera friendly is very important. We shall
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: see James the first and Christi McSweeney. Thank you very
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: much to you both still to come after the break.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: The counselor going to court against officials censoring her for
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: accusing colleagues of having a mind virus. You know it's
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: already too dangerous to speak, frankly in this country. You
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: should see the hoops that I've always got to go through.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But then when ignorant people get power to censor the speech,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: even of politicians, we are in so much trouble. How
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: about councilor Louise earlier, she's going to go to the
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: federal court now to challenge a ruling that she breached
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the Local Government Code of Conduct and did it in
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: this ex post attacking the flying of the Palestinian flag
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: outside Hobart's town Hall. And she said at the time,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I truly worry about the mind virus that brings these
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: concepts into the council chamber, as she refused in any
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: way to support terrorism, genocide and repulsive brutality. Now, one
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: counselor complained to the Tasmanian Government's Local Government Code of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Conduct Panel what it was, and the panel then said
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: it hadn't actually heard of a mind virus before, but
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: was sure it was too rude. We find that to
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: suggest that someone has been infected by a transmissible mental
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: illness because the whole particular political belief is inherently offensive
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and could lead to the perception that a council colleagues
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: do not have the capacity to function capably or bring
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: rational ideas to council for debate, which is probably a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: fair call that they don't. I mean that decision sure
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: shakes my confidence in the capacity of officials to bring
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: rational ideas. You see, mind virus is a concept that
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: of course doesn't mean transmissible mental illness, and in fact
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: similar concepts are discussed in scientific papers. How many forms
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: of social behavior and ideas can be thought of as contageous.
• 33:42
  Speaker 14: Behavioral contingon is this analogy from disease epidemiology that's been
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: introduced into the social psychology literature, Things like moral outrage,
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: for example, that we see at really increasing rates now
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: through social media.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: So psychologists talk about it, but don't have a politician,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: they must not dare even mention it. I mean Tasmani's
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: thought police are a joke. Joining me is Louise Elliot. Louise,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: thanks for your time. Why are you fighting this absurd
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: attempt to censor your free.
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: Speech because I've just listened to you summarize Itt Andrew,
• 34:20
  Speaker 15: and I have no choice. It is absolutely ludicrous. I
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: have done nothing wrong. I have been reprimanded for this
• 34:29
  Speaker 15: and sent to some unknown training on some unknown subject
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: by some unelected bureaucrat will decide what training I need
• 34:37
  Speaker 15: to do. And I have fundamentally done nothing wrong. This
• 34:40
  Speaker 15: is an outrageous breach of the implied freedom of political
• 34:44
  Speaker 15: communication that falls from the Constitution, and I won't tolerate
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: it because more and more these threats are coming for
• 34:51
  Speaker 15: our speech. We don't have a right to free speech
• 34:54
  Speaker 15: in Australia. We do have the implied freedom and we
• 34:56
  Speaker 15: need to protect what we do have.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Well. The attacks of free speech seem a form of
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: mind virus itself that we all got to be protected
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: for free speech. Everyone's going around trying to censor it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It's disgraceful. Yes, you are being sentenced to a re
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: education camp. Do you have to wear prison clothes or
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: it is what you're wearing?
• 35:17
  Speaker 15: Okay, I should probably ask for approval. You're right, but
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: I mean this, while we're making light of it, in
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: some ways, we can see how serious this issue is
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: because yes, I am a politician. I'm on the lowest
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: tier of government admittedly, but everyone deserves the right to
• 35:36
  Speaker 15: be able to speak about political matters. That's what makes
• 35:39
  Speaker 15: our democracy important. That's where the value is. People need
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: to be able to debate political ideas so that they
• 35:45
  Speaker 15: can make an informed vote. And what I have done
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: is respond to a highly political concept that was brought
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: into the Council chamber around flying the Palestinian flag. This
• 35:56
  Speaker 15: was only a matter of days after the October seventh massacre.
• 36:00
  Speaker 15: This was a long time ago. That's how long this
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: has been bubbling away for. And I'm now bringing it
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: to a head because this matters not just for me,
• 36:08
  Speaker 15: it matters for all Australians and our ability to speak.
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: I'm not a free speech absolutist. I do think there
• 36:14
  Speaker 15: is an appropriate place for things like defamation laws, privacy
• 36:18
  Speaker 15: laws and around you know, in citing hatred and proper violence.
• 36:23
  Speaker 15: But this has taken it absolutely too far. And what
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: we have is unelected bureaucrats contracted in to manage to
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: manage the speech and the thresholds they are setting are
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: getting lower and lower, and I've absolutely had enough and
• 36:38
  Speaker 15: it's time to push back.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Now. If you lose, and then if you're pinned again
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: for saying something like mind virus or you know whatever,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: kangaroos loose from the top paddock, how do you lose?
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: You know, say kangaroos are loose? How can't see any kangaroos?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: What is the danger to your future as account?
• 37:03
  Speaker 15: Well, this is the thing. It's because I am a
• 37:05
  Speaker 15: bit of an outlier on the Hobart City Council is
• 37:08
  Speaker 15: an incredibly green council, and this is the weaponization of
• 37:13
  Speaker 15: the code of conduct. And there's a debate I have
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: with myself pretty much every day. I have to choose
• 37:18
  Speaker 15: whether I be authentic and say what I believe and
• 37:21
  Speaker 15: what most Australians also agree with. I get a lot
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: of people thanking me locally here as well, or do
• 37:27
  Speaker 15: I toe the line and turn into a head nodding politician.
• 37:31
  Speaker 15: And life's too short to not say what needs to
• 37:34
  Speaker 15: be said and to be yourself. And the important thing
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: is that I wasn't even referring to my accounts to
• 37:40
  Speaker 15: my fellow colleagues. In that tweet, I was referring to
• 37:44
  Speaker 15: the social and political concept of wokeism, and through this
• 37:48
  Speaker 15: complaint being upheld, I wasn't surprised that the complaint came in.
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: I was taken aback that complaint was upheld because I thought,
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: even these panels will see that this is absurd. But
• 37:59
  Speaker 15: this isn't just for me, Like I said, this is
• 38:01
  Speaker 15: for everyone. But I can't do it alone.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: No you can't. And just before I go fighting, this
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: is going to cost you a lot of money. Anyone
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: watching that wants to help, where do they go?
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: They can pretty much Google my name and it will
• 38:20
  Speaker 15: come up. I'm on Facebook and there's also a gofund me,
• 38:24
  Speaker 15: so check out Louise Elliot Facebook and you'll find the link.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Louise Elliott with one t just to help the Google
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: search there, Louise, thank you so much for your time.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Good luck coming up. Stephen Smith tells a joke the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Australian Captain whax, a critic out of the park ahead
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: of the Ashes tomorrow. I have something extraordinary today, Steve
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Smith telling a funny story. Wow, the Ashes starts tomorrow
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and yeah, the fun has already started. Former English spinner
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Monty Panasa has said the English should really get stuck
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: into the filly in Australian Captain See Smith for his
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: part in the twenty eighteen ball tampering scandal. You remember,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: back when Smith was captaining against South Africa lost his job.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Smith today was asked about that and he asked people
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to remember Panasa's infamous appearance on Mastermind.
• 39:21
  Speaker 16: Who have you in the room? Have seen Mastermind? And
• 39:23
  Speaker 16: Monty Panas are on that? Any of you? Yeah, well,
• 39:29
  Speaker 16: those of you have, you'll understand where I'm coming from.
• 39:32
  Speaker 16: And those of you haven't do yourself a favor because
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: it's pretty comical. Yeah, anyone that believes that happens is
• 39:40
  Speaker 16: in Germany, that's a start. Oliver Twist is a season
• 39:47
  Speaker 16: of the year and America is a city. Doesn't really
• 39:52
  Speaker 16: bother me those comments. So yeah, that's as far as
• 39:56
  Speaker 16: I'll go with that one.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And it's true I won't show you the whole cli,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: but Penasa did make me wonder about the English education
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: system in.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Which city is the television comedy See These Cheers set America, Boston.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Join me from London. Each Thursday's Petrick Christie's Star Presenter
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: food gb News. Patrick, I don't want to start like
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, I'm a really at your throat
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  Speaker 2: because the eshes are on. But Monte Penasa, what do
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  Speaker 2: they teach people in your schools?
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  Speaker 17: Well, that is a classic case of teaching too much
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  Speaker 17: critical race theory and not enough general knowledge. But we
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  Speaker 17: need to take a leaf out of the Aussie school system,
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  Speaker 17: where you obviously teach your kids practical skills like how
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  Speaker 17: to use sandpaper to a fraudulently old to the laws
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  Speaker 17: of aerodynamics. You know, I tell you what. We also
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  Speaker 17: don't teach kids how to walk. Just ask Stuart Broad
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  Speaker 17: That guy never learned how to walk. Fantastic stuff. But
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  Speaker 17: for years though, it didn't matter to it what we
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  Speaker 17: taught the English kids in our schools system when it
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  Speaker 17: came to cricketers, because most of them were educated in
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  Speaker 17: South Africa anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But Monty Panasar presumably went to.
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  Speaker 17: The same school as our deputy Prime Minister David Lammy.
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  Speaker 1: He also went on Mastermind.
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  Speaker 17: When he was asked which famous marie cured cancer, he said, Antoinette,
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  Speaker 17: he thought Henry the seventh succeeded Henry the eighth of
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  Speaker 17: the English throne, and that the famous blue cheese that
• 41:20
  Speaker 17: goes well with Paul was actually red Leicester. But look,
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  Speaker 17: it doesn't matter what we teach our cricketers in schools.
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  Speaker 17: Andrew this England team, they can all count to five,
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  Speaker 17: which is just as well because he's going to be
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  Speaker 17: five Neil England.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I knew I shouldn't have prod of that beer. But
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting to me every time the eshes England versus Australia,
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  Speaker 2: how that rivalry tramps any other cricket contests in the world,
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  Speaker 2: even you know, Pakistan, India or whatever. Why is that
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  Speaker 2: do you think?
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  Speaker 17: I think it's because we are two incredibly proud competitive
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  Speaker 17: nations that really really go at each other, and we've
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  Speaker 17: got so much similarity I think, as two great countries,
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  Speaker 17: and I think you just see like the kind of
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  Speaker 17: raw competitive spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Taking place there really, and you know.
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  Speaker 17: I absolutely love it. I absolutely love it. I love
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  Speaker 17: the way that the fans interact. I love the humor,
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  Speaker 17: I love the band, you know, I love the sledging
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  Speaker 17: that goes on as well, and it just all seems
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  Speaker 17: to it all seems to mean so much. I also
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  Speaker 17: think historically, really we've been for a long time and
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  Speaker 17: we've kind of been the two best teams, right, so
• 42:28
  Speaker 17: when you see people go at it, it's like a
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  Speaker 17: final every single game. And you know, some of my
• 42:32
  Speaker 17: best childhood memories are watching that two thousand and five
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: Ashes series here, you know, in England and going to
• 42:38
  Speaker 17: see some of it live at Old Trafford. You know,
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  Speaker 17: those are memories that will stay with me forever. And
• 42:42
  Speaker 17: also as well, you know a lot of a lot
• 42:44
  Speaker 17: of the English cricket teams over here, like when I
• 42:45
  Speaker 17: play cricket growing up our overseas pro was always an
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  Speaker 17: Aussie and so we've got that kind of shared experience
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  Speaker 17: forged on and off the cricket pitch as well, because
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  Speaker 17: a lot of those memories are made in the bar,
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  Speaker 17: aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's interesting. I mean it's also where a
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  Speaker 2: tribute to how close the countries to it really are,
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  Speaker 2: and that Australia was, you know, like Adam's rib taken
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  Speaker 2: from the body of England. But you know how much
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  Speaker 2: longer it lasts with the way this country's changing, I
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: don't know. But back to politics, Yeah, can you explain
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  Speaker 2: to me how Britain now pays benefits to more than
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: one million immigrants? I mean, is it an extraordinary that
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: you live in so many who don't actually pay their
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: own way, it's remarkable.
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  Speaker 17: It's about one point three million of them now on benefits,
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  Speaker 17: five hundred migrants a day assigning up to benefits.
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  Speaker 1: These are legal migrants.
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  Speaker 17: That represents a rise of forty four percent in less
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  Speaker 17: than four years. Sixty six percent roughly of refugees are
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  Speaker 17: on benefits. And what's interesting there is when you look
• 43:52
  Speaker 17: at the stats of how many second generation refugees are
• 43:56
  Speaker 17: also in things like government funded housing, it implies there's
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  Speaker 17: not a lot of social mobility. But looking at the
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  Speaker 17: illegal ones, you know, Putin Vladimir Putin currently has a
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  Speaker 17: spy ship in British WARSS that's firing lasers URRAF pilots, right,
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  Speaker 17: And in one of the RAF bases we have got
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  Speaker 17: illegal migrants who were videos partying and playing pool and
• 44:18
  Speaker 17: dancing away to loud club style music the other day.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And that really sticks in the crawl.
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  Speaker 17: But I mean that Labour wants to change those laws
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  Speaker 17: to make sure that you're going to have to wait
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  Speaker 17: about ten or twenty years to access benefits. But the
• 44:30
  Speaker 17: problem for labor is they spent the last twenty odd
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  Speaker 17: years themselves trying to block any kind of tough legislation
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  Speaker 17: when it comes to cracking down on illegal immigration and benefits, etc.
• 44:40
  Speaker 17: And now it looks like Circuit Stamer might be ousted
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: within a couple of weeks or a few weeks before
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  Speaker 17: they've had chance to bring any of this stuff in.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, you mentioned that spyship. I mean, it's an
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary development. I don't know what I think. I know
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: what Putin's actually doing, you know, is sending drones over
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: various airports in Europe. What it's trying to do, I
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: think is distract people of those countries from supporting Ukraine,
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  Speaker 2: distract their attention and district their resources that they might
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: bring military gear back into their own countries. You've now
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: got this Russian spaceship off the coast. Is the British
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  Speaker 2: Defense secretary yesterday have listened. No, we haven't got the grab.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Sorry it's not there. But he he said, we see you, Russia,
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  Speaker 2: we see you. What is going on with this? Yeah?
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  Speaker 17: Very very serious stuff actually, So yeah, Peutin is that
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  Speaker 17: doing all of that stuff. The other thing that I
• 45:43
  Speaker 17: think he's doing is mapping our underwater cables so that
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  Speaker 17: he knows exactly where they are, with the possibility, of
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  Speaker 17: course that he might cut them off. We have got
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  Speaker 17: a double pronged assault here when it comes to spying
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  Speaker 17: in Britain, the Russians and the Chinese. The Chinese have
• 45:57
  Speaker 17: infiltrated Downing Street. They've managed to excess diplomatic wires. I mean,
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  Speaker 17: it is really bad stuff. What is fascinating though, is
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  Speaker 17: both the Russian and the Chinese response whenever we call
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  Speaker 17: them out for very blatant, very blatant spying. They always
• 46:11
  Speaker 17: usually say something along the lines of life, you are
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  Speaker 17: completely lying, it's not true at all. And then the
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  Speaker 17: third thing they'd say is they round off with something
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  Speaker 17: along the lines of well, if you want war, you
• 46:21
  Speaker 17: can have it. And it does really imply that they
• 46:24
  Speaker 17: feel as though we are there for the taking at
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  Speaker 17: the moment. And you know, it's probably a bad thing
• 46:29
  Speaker 17: that our entire standing army could fit into old Trafford
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  Speaker 17: Football Stadium.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: With some room to spare.
• 46:34
  Speaker 17: You know, we need to really stop using the old
• 46:37
  Speaker 17: military barrackses to be housing. I would argue anyway, with
• 46:40
  Speaker 17: fighting age men from parts of the Middle East and Africa,
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  Speaker 17: and maybe we've spent a bit more time training our
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: own armed forces as well to deal with what is
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  Speaker 17: what is I think a very present andcoming threat.
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  Speaker 2: Well, those undersea cables are really important. I mean Russia
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  Speaker 2: and China are suspected of cuttings are really between Scandinavia, Lithuania.
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  Speaker 2: The Danish have being really concerned. I mean cables have
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  Speaker 2: been cut. Also, cables to Taiwan have been cupped and
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  Speaker 2: quite deliberately. And of course we had a Chinese spy
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  Speaker 2: fleet of three ships going around. We're out under seawater.
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  Speaker 2: Cables are mate. This is quite serious.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Unequivocally it is.
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  Speaker 17: And also we've had big problems with the Uranian regime
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  Speaker 17: as well that we allow to have various different kind
• 47:32
  Speaker 17: of pseudo embassies here with mosques that they control, where
• 47:36
  Speaker 17: the imams are appointed by the Ayatolla. So we've got
• 47:38
  Speaker 17: that axis operating here and I think it's a little
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  Speaker 17: bit of a lesson for the West, and it needs
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  Speaker 17: to be a lesson for Britain as well. If you
• 47:45
  Speaker 17: think that you can bring these countries in from the
• 47:47
  Speaker 17: cold and hopefully with our lovely fluffy democratic values, they
• 47:50
  Speaker 17: will change. It doesn't work like that for them. They
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: see it as weakness and they look to exploit that
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  Speaker 17: weakness and then use it because they don't really like
• 47:59
  Speaker 17: our society. See, they're like our way of life, and
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  Speaker 17: they are intent on domination really and that is the
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  Speaker 17: way that they operate.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been very very very naive here.
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  Speaker 17: In Britain and probably across the West as well, and
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  Speaker 17: I really hope we don't pay the price for that naivety.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're seeing the great wake up British, well all
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: around Europe. The countries are now ramping up the defense industries.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: They almost put in mothballs, knowing that the world has
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: suddenly changed very very quickly. Petro Crissis thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much for your time.
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  Speaker 16: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's it from me, good night now. Sherry Markson