Latest / Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast / Understanding Tarik Skubal's arbitration situation

Transcript

Understanding Tarik Skubal's arbitration situation · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

0:09
Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
0:12
Speaker 1: the Foul Turtur Nowork eight Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Keir Steckley,
0:15
Speaker 1: and I got with me a couple of guys who
0:17
Speaker 1: really know how to sign on the dotted line, Cody
0:20
Speaker 1: Stavenhagen and Austin jacket Jackson. What's up, fellas? How are
0:23
Speaker 1: we doing? I gotta just fumble through that. How are
0:25
Speaker 1: we doing?
0:26
Speaker 2: We're good, baby, We're good. Yeah, all good?
0:29
Speaker 3: Here we got Hey, we've been asking for a little intrigue.
0:32
Speaker 3: I think we got a little intrigue. With today's deadline
0:35
Speaker 3: to exchange arbitration numbers. Tigers have reached agreements with seven
0:38
Speaker 3: of the eight arbitration eligible players. You know who that
0:42
Speaker 3: eighth happens to be. It's Trek Schouble. It's looking like
0:46
Speaker 3: we got no agreement and then two sides might or
0:49
Speaker 3: might not be headed to a hearing. We're gonna dive
0:52
Speaker 3: into that a little more because I think we've got
0:54
Speaker 3: at least a little bit of the drama we've kind
0:57
Speaker 3: of been asking for here.
1:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:00
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like one of the it's a gift
1:04
Speaker 1: to have Trek Schooble on your team and representing your franchise.
1:07
Speaker 1: But if there's a draw back to that, I guess
1:11
Speaker 1: it would be that when you a don't have them
1:14
Speaker 1: signed long term, that's going to dominate headlines. And then
1:17
Speaker 1: b when you technically don't even have him signed for
1:20
Speaker 1: services for the upcoming season, that's going to dominate the headlines.
1:24
Speaker 1: And Jeff Passon put out an article this morning on
1:27
Speaker 1: ESPN that really like outlined a lot of this stuff
1:30
Speaker 1: that's like I'll be honest with you, man, like more
1:33
Speaker 1: complicated than I like anticipated with, like, all right, you
1:38
Speaker 1: arbitration number number, Agree, agree, don't agree, go to the panel,
1:43
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of like the extent of my knowledge basically.
1:46
Speaker 1: And now with this Schoople stuff, apparently because he's got accolades,
1:51
Speaker 1: because and we had this on the screen that you
1:52
Speaker 1: guys should subscribe, please subscribe to our YouTube channel so
1:55
Speaker 1: you can kind of read along with me, like school
1:57
Speaker 1: is trying to set records for you know, just increases
2:01
Speaker 1: and then records for potentially like just the highest number.
2:06
Speaker 1: And then it's like he can ask for all this
2:08
Speaker 1: because he has these, like I said, accolades and sort
2:12
Speaker 1: of status in the game that makes it like realistic
2:16
Speaker 1: and then for the Tigers, probably not something that they
2:21
Speaker 1: budgeted for five six months ago. I'm just guessing. I
2:23
Speaker 1: don't know that for a fact that school bole would
2:26
Speaker 1: be pushing these kind of numbers that you have on
2:28
Speaker 1: the screen screen here from from Jeff Pass and so
2:33
Speaker 1: I guess, Cody, like you're kind of read on the
2:36
Speaker 1: situation here because one of the things that the Tigers,
2:41
Speaker 1: you know, pride themselves on being as principle, but they
2:44
Speaker 1: also try to be like flexible and this if there's
2:50
Speaker 1: ever a time to be flexible in your principles, now
2:54
Speaker 1: it's it's it's figuring out this terror school situation because
2:59
Speaker 1: you're you can't file and trial with Eric Scuoble, at
3:03
Speaker 1: least I don't think you can. Maybe you can, but
3:05
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily seem like the best move.
3:07
Speaker 3: So you read this stuff gets so complicated, man, I'm
3:12
Speaker 3: glad we have Austin here's who's been through some of
3:14
Speaker 3: this a little bit to talk about it. I'll try
3:17
Speaker 3: to explain it first. Arbitration it basically is a comp system. Right,
3:24
Speaker 3: agents are comparing their players to what previous players have
3:27
Speaker 3: made In the arbitration system. You obviously don't get as
3:32
Speaker 3: much as if you have hit free agency. You know,
3:34
Speaker 3: if you are a star player. So Scooble was projected
3:38
Speaker 3: to make about seventeen point eight million dollars this year
3:41
Speaker 3: via MLB trade rumors. I thought it was possible you'd
3:44
Speaker 3: get a little more. I'm gonna be honest. This never
3:46
Speaker 3: crossed my mind until reading the Passing story Thursday morning,
3:51
Speaker 3: and Passon explains that there's a rarely used provision where
3:54
Speaker 3: if you have five or more years of service time,
3:58
Speaker 3: you don't have to compare yourself to someone in the
4:01
Speaker 3: arbitration system. You can compare yourself to anyone in baseball.
4:05
Speaker 3: So that means trek scuuble doesn't have to go off
4:08
Speaker 3: what David Price made an arbitration ten years ago, which
4:11
Speaker 3: happens to be the record for a starting pitcher. He
4:13
Speaker 3: can say, well, Zach Wheeler made forty two million, and
4:16
Speaker 3: I was better than him this year, so maybe I
4:18
Speaker 3: should get X figure. There's a lot higher ceiling for
4:22
Speaker 3: guys are who are going into their final year before
4:26
Speaker 3: free agency. You don't see players invoke this very often,
4:29
Speaker 3: probably largely because very few players are good enough to
4:32
Speaker 3: invoke this. Trek scuble happens to be one of those players,
4:36
Speaker 3: and so it gets here, we have no agreement. What
4:38
Speaker 3: does that mean? Look, chances are this is gonna sort
4:42
Speaker 3: itself out, but it's a little bit of drama because,
4:44
Speaker 3: like you alluded to, Kieran, the Tigers are a file
4:48
Speaker 3: in trial team, or at least say they are. That
4:50
Speaker 3: means they exchange a number. Let's say they're negotiating with
4:54
Speaker 3: a player of lesser stature, they file two million, and
4:58
Speaker 3: the other player, you know the players can't files three million. Well,
5:01
Speaker 3: rather than negotiate for two weeks, they're just gonna take
5:04
Speaker 3: that to a hearing. That's what they say. They've never
5:06
Speaker 3: taken anyone to a hearing. One Tiger since two thousand
5:10
Speaker 3: and one has gone to a hearing.
5:11
Speaker 4: That was Michael Fulmer.
5:13
Speaker 3: But if they're really going to be a file and
5:15
Speaker 3: trial club, it sounds like they would head to a hearing.
5:18
Speaker 3: They don't do one year deals. Two years ago they
5:20
Speaker 3: had discrepancy with Casey miz over twenty five thousand dollars,
5:24
Speaker 3: which was stupid. They basically create a loophole that said, well,
5:27
Speaker 3: we're gonna make this a one plus one. We're gonna
5:30
Speaker 3: throw you a club option that we're just gonna decline
5:33
Speaker 3: and then you're gonna go back to arbitration. That was
5:36
Speaker 3: a way of saying, like, well, we're still a file
5:38
Speaker 3: and trial team.
5:39
Speaker 4: It wasn't a one.
5:39
Speaker 3: Year Neil one year deal they negotiated trek Skouble. I
5:43
Speaker 3: don't think you're negotiating a multi year deal. Certainly not
5:47
Speaker 3: a one plus one, given he could be set to
5:49
Speaker 3: make four hundred plus million dollars in free agency. So
5:54
Speaker 3: let's just say I don't know what the two teams
5:56
Speaker 3: filed at, and not at the time of recording, but
5:58
Speaker 3: let's say the Tigers filed it twenty million, then Scott
6:01
Speaker 3: Bors filed at thirty five million. The way arbitration works,
6:05
Speaker 3: at least as I understand it, you would go to
6:07
Speaker 3: a panel, you would each make a presentation, and the
6:10
Speaker 3: panel picks one of those two numbers. They don't pick
6:14
Speaker 3: twenty eight twenty five million, They pick either twenty or
6:17
Speaker 3: thirty five. So if this is really where we're heading,
6:21
Speaker 3: it'd probably be in the Tigers' best interest to say,
6:24
Speaker 3: you know what, actually we're not a file and trial team.
6:26
Speaker 3: Will negotiate for another couple of weeks and maybe you
6:28
Speaker 3: settle somewhere in between, because otherwise you're taking a really
6:31
Speaker 3: big hit to your payroll. Not that we should feel
6:35
Speaker 3: sorry for billionaires or anything like that, but that's kind
6:37
Speaker 3: of an overview of the circumstance at play here. I
6:40
Speaker 3: hope that makes some level of sense because we'll throw
6:43
Speaker 3: it to you, Austin, Does that make any sense to you?
6:45
Speaker 3: And like, what's your experience in this realm?
6:49
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it makes it makes total sense.
6:52
Speaker 5: I wasn't aware about the five years of service, though,
6:55
Speaker 5: I think that's pretty cool.
6:57
Speaker 2: I actually like.
7:00
Speaker 5: I like the whole process because, like you said, it's
7:02
Speaker 5: a comp system as opposed to when you get the
7:05
Speaker 5: free agency, it's kind of like you'll take, we'll give
7:09
Speaker 5: you whatever we want to give you, you know what
7:10
Speaker 5: I mean. But here it's more of you can negotiate,
7:14
Speaker 5: and so I really I really like the situation of
7:18
Speaker 5: you know, being able to use it comparable for how
7:23
Speaker 5: what my performance was during the year. I love that
7:26
Speaker 5: because we can negotiate, and a lot of the times
7:29
Speaker 5: the players are pretty much right. You know, they have
7:33
Speaker 5: a pretty good idea of going into that what they
7:36
Speaker 5: what they what they could win, and what they couldn't win.
7:39
Speaker 5: So you're you're asking for something that's like, hey, I've
7:43
Speaker 5: my my numbers. My stats are very comparable to what
7:46
Speaker 5: this guy made in the past. I know you don't
7:48
Speaker 5: see it that way, but I'm not moving off of
7:50
Speaker 5: this number. And I'm willing to take it in front
7:52
Speaker 5: of a judge essentially, and and fight for this because
7:56
Speaker 5: I believe that much in that.
7:57
Speaker 2: So I love this.
7:59
Speaker 5: I think that Schoogle, he's in a He's in a
8:02
Speaker 5: great situation obviously, and he's a different tier than a
8:06
Speaker 5: lot of guys are.
8:07
Speaker 2: And you know, he has a lot more leverage.
8:09
Speaker 5: When you got a cy young attached to your name,
8:12
Speaker 5: you got more leverage than anybody.
8:13
Speaker 2: You're You're MVP type stature. So he's in a great position.
8:19
Speaker 5: The Tigers, I know this is tough for them because
8:22
Speaker 5: you know, hey, what you gotta you gotta poople get
8:25
Speaker 5: off the pot basically, you know what I mean, that's
8:27
Speaker 5: what you gotta do, hey, And and I'm for the
8:29
Speaker 5: player with this, I'm trying to maximize my full potential.
8:33
Speaker 2: I am not taking any team friendly deals.
8:36
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, because I'm gonna be whatever after baseball way
8:39
Speaker 5: longer than I'm gonna be a baseball player.
8:41
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to get paid.
8:43
Speaker 5: Injuries, all those type of things can happen, and that
8:46
Speaker 5: changed the whole.
8:47
Speaker 2: Negotiation at that point.
8:48
Speaker 5: So I'm trying to maximize what I can get right now,
8:53
Speaker 5: and I think that he's in a very good place.
8:55
Speaker 5: And again, you know, I've been through this and I
8:59
Speaker 5: love it because I felt like, you know, there is
9:01
Speaker 5: leverage there when you're able to compare your numbers to
9:04
Speaker 5: somebody and they're not just throwing a random number out there.
9:07
Speaker 5: We're gonna get in the ballpark of what I'm potentially
9:11
Speaker 5: gonna make. And so, you know, I love the whole process,
9:13
Speaker 5: and it is it is tough because you don't want
9:16
Speaker 5: to be so far off right that when you're going
9:19
Speaker 5: in and trying to negotiate it that they're just like,
9:21
Speaker 5: absolutely no way. You know, we're willing to fight for
9:25
Speaker 5: our number. We're we're ten fifteen million dollars off, but
9:28
Speaker 5: with Scooble, you know we ten fifteen million dollars off.
9:31
Speaker 5: You're going to really have to state your case. So
9:34
Speaker 5: why he's not worth that much more than, you know,
9:39
Speaker 5: than the number that you're putting out there.
9:40
Speaker 3: So yeah, the record for an arbitration eligible player is
9:45
Speaker 3: Juan Soto at thirty one million. Von Soto happened to
9:48
Speaker 3: be a Scott Boris client, as is Trek Scooball. I
9:52
Speaker 3: don't know if Scooble could exceed that or not. Again
9:55
Speaker 3: at the time of recording this, we don't know what
9:56
Speaker 3: The two sites file at school has been really good
10:00
Speaker 3: the last two years, but Soto had a longer track
10:02
Speaker 3: record of being an elite level player. So some stuff
10:07
Speaker 3: still to sort out. And then there's the other Ringkle.
10:10
Speaker 3: Given that this is Trek Schouble, I guess there is
10:13
Speaker 3: an alternative you could You could trade them and let
10:15
Speaker 3: someone else worry about it.
10:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's there's always something Because I was actually thinking
10:23
Speaker 1: like from like different perspectives where completely made up hypothetical
10:29
Speaker 1: what if Schooble or his team, like Boris and company
10:32
Speaker 1: kind of are looking for we want the most flexibility
10:36
Speaker 1: this season in terms of what if we deem it
10:40
Speaker 1: the best move to be traded, then you probably want
10:44
Speaker 1: the salary number a little bit lower because that will
10:46
Speaker 1: open up more teams that could trade for you at
10:49
Speaker 1: any time this season, you know, especially after the trade deadline,
10:52
Speaker 1: where it's like it's a lot easier to swallow eight
10:56
Speaker 1: to twelve million than it is like fifteen to seventeen
10:59
Speaker 1: million if you're one of those smaller market teams. I
11:02
Speaker 1: just kind of want to playoff Push knowing that he's
11:04
Speaker 1: gonna leave in free agency anyway. So that's just that,
11:07
Speaker 1: that's like scenario twenty seven. But I do think it
11:12
Speaker 1: does like technically exist.
11:14
Speaker 2: Uh.
11:15
Speaker 1: And then I guess we've we've talked about this for
11:18
Speaker 1: almost ten minutes now, over more than ten minutes. We
11:20
Speaker 1: should probably get to the guys who did come to agreements, Cody,
11:23
Speaker 1: I know, I know we haven't.
11:24
Speaker 4: It's less interesting, but we can do that.
11:28
Speaker 1: I know, because you know some guys that hey did
11:32
Speaker 1: get some pay increases and then and then b are
11:34
Speaker 1: obviously vital components to this roster. And again we have
11:37
Speaker 1: this up. You can read along if you subscribe on YouTube.
11:41
Speaker 1: Carrie Carpenters agrees to three point two seven five million,
11:46
Speaker 1: Riley Green gets five million, Zach McKinstry four point two million,
11:51
Speaker 1: Casey My six point one five, Spencer Torgelsen a hair
11:54
Speaker 1: over four million, Tyler Holt Tyler Holton excuse me, one
11:59
Speaker 1: point five five, and will Vest a hair under four million.
12:04
Speaker 1: So uh, Casey my six point one five obviously the
12:08
Speaker 1: highest number on the screen there. Riley Green kind of
12:12
Speaker 1: on on a trajectory that his salary is gonna be
12:15
Speaker 1: looking pretty good here in a couple of years if
12:16
Speaker 1: he continues to show to show out, and I like,
12:19
Speaker 1: will vest that, you know, just under four million, that
12:22
Speaker 1: that feels like a good number for him and Zach McKinstry.
12:26
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Zach McKinstry ever been as wild as
12:28
Speaker 1: dreams thought. And I mean this is a compliment. Yeah,
12:32
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever thought that he would make
12:34
Speaker 1: four point two million dollars in a Major League Baseball season.
12:38
Speaker 1: So great for Zach McKinstry for forgetting this far, and
12:42
Speaker 1: you know, good for these guys for coming to agreements
12:45
Speaker 1: and not having to deal with any sort of trump
12:49
Speaker 1: you know, moving forward.
12:50
Speaker 3: It's interesting, like comparing these to the projections. I think
12:53
Speaker 3: maybe the lesson is MLB trade roomers are projections. We're
12:57
Speaker 3: just a little bit off. When it comes to the Tigers.
12:59
Speaker 3: This year, Riley Green was picked to get six point
13:02
Speaker 3: six million and he's signed for only five. So I
13:08
Speaker 3: don't know what happened there, but the projection was off.
13:10
Speaker 3: Casey mys was projected only get five point four. He
13:14
Speaker 3: gets six point one five, so we did quite well.
13:16
Speaker 3: Kinstrey has picked at three point five, so he beat that.
13:21
Speaker 3: Carry Carpenter was picked at three point five. He came
13:24
Speaker 3: in at just under that. The Riley Green one is
13:27
Speaker 3: the one that stands out to me. Now, this was
13:29
Speaker 3: his first year arbitration eligible. If he continues to perform,
13:34
Speaker 3: he's gonna have a chance to make plenty of money
13:37
Speaker 3: the next couple of years. But part of the arbitration system,
13:41
Speaker 3: like you want that floor as high as possible because
13:43
Speaker 3: that's only going to help you in your next couple
13:46
Speaker 3: of negotiations, you.
13:49
Speaker 1: Know, Austin, Like in general corporate America, it's like, really
13:55
Speaker 1: like I had a job, I'll just say I had
13:57
Speaker 1: a job at Chick fil A as a teenager, and
13:59
Speaker 1: it was like, don't talk about money, you know, like,
14:02
Speaker 1: you know, we got a guy's making minimum wage or
14:04
Speaker 1: like fifty cents more per hour, and you know, it's
14:07
Speaker 1: the same thing like in most walks of life, it's
14:10
Speaker 1: like management does not want the employees talking about how
14:13
Speaker 1: much each other make and and all that stuff. But
14:17
Speaker 1: the case of your chosen profession, everybody knows within a
14:22
Speaker 1: pretty reasonable ballpark how much everybody makes. So I'm just
14:26
Speaker 1: kind of curious. What's that like when you know, you know,
14:29
Speaker 1: the guy next to you in the clubhouse, like how
14:31
Speaker 1: much he's taken home? And then even you know, guys
14:34
Speaker 1: that you're playing against or guys that you're you know,
14:37
Speaker 1: hitting against, it's like, really this this guy's getting paid
14:40
Speaker 1: ten Like what the hell? Like what the hell?
14:42
Speaker 2: You know? Like, yeah, I mean if you know, I'm
14:48
Speaker 2: not gonna lie.
14:49
Speaker 5: I have thought about that a few different times, but
14:53
Speaker 5: you know, who am I to say with somebody else.
14:55
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to steal no money and take no
14:57
Speaker 5: money out of anybody's pocket.
14:58
Speaker 2: You got to get what you can get.
14:59
Speaker 5: But you know, to answer your question, when you know
15:03
Speaker 5: how much somebody is making, especially your teammate, it's like
15:06
Speaker 5: you paying for dinner, right, Like that's when we go out, so.
15:10
Speaker 2: We getting all the opus one and all of that,
15:13
Speaker 2: We getting the topshop stuff and you paying for it.
15:16
Speaker 2: Don't come cheap now you gotta pay.
15:18
Speaker 5: But I mean it's one of those things where you
15:21
Speaker 5: you you kind of use it as motivation a little bit,
15:24
Speaker 5: like right, you don't you try not to be motivated
15:26
Speaker 5: by money, right, But at the same time, you know that,
15:29
Speaker 5: you know, if I go out and perform, you know,
15:32
Speaker 5: I can possibly take care of my family for a
15:34
Speaker 5: very long time because they're paying that type of money. Now,
15:37
Speaker 5: whether you get that or not, it's just incentive to
15:40
Speaker 5: go out and you know, remain on that grind and
15:44
Speaker 5: stay focused knowing that you know, I'm trying to you know,
15:46
Speaker 5: secure myself and my family for a lifetime. So it
15:51
Speaker 5: doesn't really bother guys. I mean, we make jokes about
15:54
Speaker 5: it and stuff like, man, you got it?
15:55
Speaker 2: Why you know?
15:56
Speaker 5: It should be on you? You the one that got it.
15:59
Speaker 5: But are you you know, like why you're driving just
16:01
Speaker 5: that car? You know, like you have a few different
16:03
Speaker 5: whips out there, Like I pull it up in a
16:05
Speaker 5: different car every day with that type of bread.
16:07
Speaker 2: But that's why I didn't get it. That's why I
16:10
Speaker 2: didn't get it, because they'd been like, nah, you you're
16:12
Speaker 2: you're you.
16:13
Speaker 5: Ain't focused on baseball. You you pull it up in
16:16
Speaker 5: different whips, you know, different outfits and all that. Now,
16:19
Speaker 5: But it's it doesn't bother guys, you know, I think
16:22
Speaker 5: that for the most part.
16:24
Speaker 2: Guys, are you.
16:25
Speaker 5: Know you you understand you know what somebody else is making.
16:28
Speaker 5: But at the same time, you know, hey, it's levels
16:30
Speaker 5: to it. You know, if you want to make that
16:32
Speaker 5: type of money, you gotta gotta perform at that level.
16:35
Speaker 5: And everybody's just not capable. So I guess it keeps you,
16:39
Speaker 5: It keeps it, It keeps it honest.
16:41
Speaker 3: Let me give some life advice to our listeners out there.
16:44
Speaker 3: I know we got some listeners who are probably older
16:46
Speaker 3: and better with money and make a lot more money
16:48
Speaker 3: than I do, but maybe we got some listeners who
16:50
Speaker 3: are just starting out.
16:51
Speaker 4: I think you should talk with money about your coworkers.
16:54
Speaker 4: There's a reason, man, it doesn't. When you're talking about money.
16:57
Speaker 3: They don't want you to say, well, I know Johnny,
17:00
Speaker 3: he makes this, and I see Johnny and he doesn't
17:02
Speaker 3: do anything at work, and my sales figures are this, this, this,
17:06
Speaker 3: so I should get this. They don't want to give
17:08
Speaker 3: you leverage. Yeah, you should talk about money with your
17:12
Speaker 3: co workers. It can only help you all collectively raise
17:15
Speaker 3: your floors.
17:16
Speaker 2: I love it.
17:17
Speaker 5: I love it, Cody, I love it.
17:21
Speaker 1: Some good live advice right there. Uh, let's let's well,
17:24
Speaker 1: let's let's go to We talked about trek Scooble, but
17:28
Speaker 1: we haven't done the contractually obligated but unsponsored Trek Schooble update.
17:33
Speaker 1: And that is that, according to John Hayman, the Yankees,
17:36
Speaker 1: the New York Yankees quote checked in with the Tigers
17:41
Speaker 1: on Trek Schooble, presumably before he was gonna be making
17:44
Speaker 1: sixty million this year, and they found that the cost
17:49
Speaker 1: was This is obviously an exaggeration, but this is what
17:52
Speaker 1: Hayman is reporting. Half the team is what the Tigers
17:55
Speaker 1: asking price was for Trek Schoolble. So, I guess, if
17:59
Speaker 1: you're gonna make seventy million, it does make sense to
18:02
Speaker 1: try to ask for half the team in return, because
18:05
Speaker 1: that's roughly, like, you know, it's a little bit less
18:07
Speaker 1: than than.
18:08
Speaker 4: Half, not not half the Yankees team.
18:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So so there you go. So you know,
18:15
Speaker 1: it's funny. We do these every every episode, Austin, because
18:18
Speaker 1: part of the part of the tongue in cheapness is that, like,
18:21
Speaker 1: there's always reports about Trek Schooble, but nothing's actually new
18:24
Speaker 1: and uh and and the Yankees checking in, I guess
18:28
Speaker 1: is interesting and asking for half the team is interesting
18:32
Speaker 1: in a funny quote, but it's also not new that
18:34
Speaker 1: we know that the Tigers are gonna ask for the
18:36
Speaker 1: moon before they pay for the moon for Trek's schooble
18:38
Speaker 1: and uh and that and that just kind of goes
18:42
Speaker 1: to show you just what a driving force he is.
18:45
Speaker 1: That like, like in its very slow MLB offseason, there's
18:48
Speaker 1: always some sort of Tarik Schooble wrinkle going on. So
18:53
Speaker 1: that's that's the power of terror School. That's why he's
18:56
Speaker 1: looking at every avenue and looking to make four hundred
18:58
Speaker 1: million by this time next year.
19:00
Speaker 5: So yeah, and the Tigers, I mean they have they
19:04
Speaker 5: have a little leverage, right because they have them, but
19:07
Speaker 5: they only have that leverage for a little bit of time,
19:10
Speaker 5: and so they have to make a decision. So, like
19:13
Speaker 5: I said, you know, school wasn't such a good spot.
19:16
Speaker 5: You know, he's in such a good spot. He says
19:19
Speaker 5: the right things, but I'm gonna say probably what he
19:22
Speaker 5: he ain't gonna say. I'm saying I'm trying to get paid.
19:26
Speaker 5: Whoever's gonna do that.
19:27
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm willing to listen.
19:30
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get paid, and once I do, I'm
19:31
Speaker 5: gonna focus on winning. I want to give me a
19:34
Speaker 5: chip and that's once I once I secure the bag,
19:37
Speaker 5: then I'm going to try to build my legacy up
19:39
Speaker 5: even more. And I'm trying to I'm trying to, you know,
19:42
Speaker 5: get me a chip, I'm trying to make it to
19:44
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame, and I'm trying to do all
19:46
Speaker 5: of those things. But first I'm gonna secure the bag.
19:48
Speaker 5: So I said it for you to schools. You ain't
19:51
Speaker 5: got to say it. I'm gonna say it for you.
19:53
Speaker 5: Get the bag, get set yourself up, man, and the
19:57
Speaker 5: rest is take care of himself tomorrow.
20:00
Speaker 3: Think about it, man, it's the arbitration thing. It's a
20:02
Speaker 3: great play by Boris Corp. Throw out whatever number you
20:05
Speaker 3: want that's somewhat within reason, because where the Tiger's gonna
20:08
Speaker 3: do where they they can't. You can't really say no
20:11
Speaker 3: is Trek's Scoobel. You were going to have to pay
20:14
Speaker 3: the man. So, I mean, the Tigers have some leverage
20:18
Speaker 3: because he's on their team, but Terrek Scuoble hold a
20:21
Speaker 3: ton of ton of leverage because he's the best pitcher
20:24
Speaker 3: in the American League and the best left tander in baseball,
20:26
Speaker 3: maybe the single best pitcher in all of baseball.
20:29
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, And also like there's a PR element to this.
20:34
Speaker 1: Like we talked, you mentioned it at the top, Cody
20:37
Speaker 1: about the twenty five thousand dollars different grievance whatever word
20:43
Speaker 1: you want to use with Casey miz last year, and
20:46
Speaker 1: how silly that was. That's obviously like a poor PR
20:50
Speaker 1: look for the organization at that time. And both Schooble
20:54
Speaker 1: and the Tigers like do have to kind of be
20:57
Speaker 1: cognizant of the PR aspect of the because you don't,
21:01
Speaker 1: you know, you don't. Neither one wants to look bad. Basically,
21:04
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to assess any of it, but nobody
21:06
Speaker 1: wants to come across looking bad, especially when in theory
21:08
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to have a partnership for at least
21:10
Speaker 1: the next you know, nine ten months or whatever. So
21:13
Speaker 1: there's there's that piece of it. And then also not
21:17
Speaker 1: to go unmentioned, Terrek Schooble is, what's the term, Cody,
21:21
Speaker 1: the executive subcommittee? What what's the what's this? Yeah, the
21:24
Speaker 1: executive subcommittee.
21:25
Speaker 3: You're just an executive subcommittee of the MLBPA. So there's
21:28
Speaker 3: incentive for for him to kind of stick to the
21:30
Speaker 3: guns a little bit, thinking I'm doing good for labored
21:35
Speaker 3: across the sport.
21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's that's an admirable and noteworthy
21:40
Speaker 1: piece of this as well, because like Terrek Schouble is
21:44
Speaker 1: definitely going to be looking at the big picture in
21:46
Speaker 1: addition to uh, in addition to to the short term UH,
21:50
Speaker 1: let's let's move on to an economic let's economic episode continue.
21:55
Speaker 1: Another piece of information that came out today was that
22:00
Speaker 1: the Tigers, in addition to eight other franchises, terminated in
22:05
Speaker 1: agreement with their local television partners, like you know, the
22:09
Speaker 1: fan duel sports networks you know, for lack of a
22:12
Speaker 1: more concrete term, and this piece is shaping baseball and
22:20
Speaker 1: ways that we're not really going to know for like
22:22
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, basically because it used to be,
22:25
Speaker 1: just like everything else before cable cutting, that these networks
22:28
Speaker 1: and these organizations could just like bank a certain amount
22:32
Speaker 1: of money from cable subscribers and television providers, because like,
22:39
Speaker 1: no matter whether you watch the second of Tigers Baseball,
22:42
Speaker 1: you were paying for Fox Sports Detroit, and cable cutting
22:45
Speaker 1: has killed that in a lot of ways, and we're
22:48
Speaker 1: still seeing ramifications. And that would be one right here.
22:51
Speaker 1: I did want to note that the Tigers, I'll read
22:55
Speaker 1: out all these franchises, but the Tigers are one of
22:59
Speaker 1: the more higher payrolls among the teams that now have
23:04
Speaker 1: television revenue uncertainty. So Tigers, Braves, Reds, Royals, Angels, Marlins, Brewers, Cardinals,
23:11
Speaker 1: and Rays. The Braves have the highest expected payroll among
23:15
Speaker 1: all these teams, and that's about at two fifty. Obviously,
23:18
Speaker 1: this can change. The Tigers are at oneint eighty two
23:21
Speaker 1: point six. Again could change. It's not like they haven't
23:24
Speaker 1: spent in free agency just because they haven't gotten a
23:26
Speaker 1: Bragman or a Bashett. They have gone out and signed guys. Right,
23:30
Speaker 1: that's second highest among all these teams, and obviously the
23:35
Speaker 1: low one would be the Marlins at a seventy seven
23:38
Speaker 1: million expected payroll. So if you're thinking, like, how how
23:44
Speaker 1: are the Tigers not spending? What is holding them back?
23:49
Speaker 1: This piece is a piece, whether it should be, whether
23:53
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be. This piece is a piece is that
23:56
Speaker 1: this guaranteed revenue, which at one time was like a
24:00
Speaker 1: quarter of revenue that these teams got on a yearly basis,
24:04
Speaker 1: is now at best uncertain now in regards to whether
24:09
Speaker 1: you'll be able to watch the Tigers, yes, you will
24:11
Speaker 1: be able to watch the Tigers. Jason Bennetti is a
24:14
Speaker 1: employee of Illage Holdings that slash the Tigers or whatever,
24:18
Speaker 1: and like he will be calling games and there will
24:21
Speaker 1: be broadcasts. But in terms of where the what kind
24:25
Speaker 1: of money comes into the organization from these TV broadcasts,
24:28
Speaker 1: that is still very much in the up in the air.
24:30
Speaker 1: So so Cody, I don't know. I'm sure I you
24:32
Speaker 1: know some things that you know I missed or whatever,
24:35
Speaker 1: But I just tried to get the gist of it.
24:36
Speaker 1: This is a part of it. It's just a part
24:38
Speaker 1: of it. And you know, in terms of how teams operate.
24:42
Speaker 3: I explained to the arbitration one. I'm not as well
24:44
Speaker 3: versed on the TV side. They cancel these agreements. They
24:47
Speaker 3: canceled it a couple of years ago, but you just renegotiate.
24:50
Speaker 3: It's because the parent company is in bankruptcy. It's it's
24:55
Speaker 3: not great for the teams. Again, we're not here to
24:58
Speaker 3: feel sorry for the billionaires, but no one's trying to
25:01
Speaker 3: run their franchise in the red really, So teams want
25:03
Speaker 3: to have a budget, they want to have certainty, they
25:05
Speaker 3: want to have good TV income.
25:07
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of.
25:10
Speaker 3: Uncertainty and that makes it harder for teams to plan,
25:13
Speaker 3: harder for teams to budget. When the Tigers renegotiated their
25:17
Speaker 3: deal a couple of years ago, it's believed that they
25:20
Speaker 3: began receiving a good chunk less in TV revenue than
25:24
Speaker 3: they were previously. Maybe that's one pace to happen again.
25:29
Speaker 3: That's about as far as my expertise goes on this one.
25:34
Speaker 1: Business is complicated. I don't have I just have a
25:37
Speaker 1: journalism degree, man, I don't. I don't have a business degree.
25:40
Speaker 1: I don't have an economics degree. Like, I don't not mathematics,
25:43
Speaker 1: you know, like nothing like that. I just, you know,
25:47
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite phrases. Everything affects everything.
25:52
Speaker 3: I always say sometimes instead of a journalism degree, I
25:54
Speaker 3: feel like I need a psychology degree because you're just
25:57
Speaker 3: dealing with people and they're quirks and there. But sometimes
26:01
Speaker 3: feels like you need an economic serie too.
26:06
Speaker 1: Uh well, let let's let's end on on a little
26:09
Speaker 1: bit of a of a of a lighter note. So
26:11
Speaker 1: this is it's early January. It is January eighth. We're
26:14
Speaker 1: recording this podcast, and so we'll just kind of say
26:16
Speaker 1: like a round number of like six like six weeks
26:19
Speaker 1: until until spring training kicks off in uh in Lakeland,
26:24
Speaker 1: And so I'm curious Austin, like from a player's perspective
26:28
Speaker 1: and then getting ready for the season perspective, like where
26:31
Speaker 1: you at once like the calendar turns and then even
26:34
Speaker 1: like does the fact that it's like officially like a
26:38
Speaker 1: new year kind of flip the switch in your mind
26:41
Speaker 1: a little bit where it's like all right, like it's
26:43
Speaker 1: it's it's go time now. Or do you kind of
26:45
Speaker 1: have a set plan where you know that those kind
26:48
Speaker 1: of like psychological ticks don't really matter or whatever, Like
26:51
Speaker 1: when you when it's early January, Like where are you
26:54
Speaker 1: at mentally and physically as you get ready for what's
26:57
Speaker 1: gonna be basically the rest of the rest of the
27:00
Speaker 1: year kind of physical and mental grind.
27:03
Speaker 5: Well physically, I think, you know, starting off the off
27:07
Speaker 5: season you kind of have a plan drawn out of
27:12
Speaker 5: you know, things that you're gonna work on, things that
27:14
Speaker 5: you want.
27:14
Speaker 2: To get better on better at.
27:17
Speaker 5: Any let's see, you know, like injuries that you've had,
27:22
Speaker 5: you try to get those things taken care of an
27:24
Speaker 5: off season. But coming around what you said about six
27:27
Speaker 5: weeks left until you know, you're reporting the spring training.
27:31
Speaker 5: I always like the flip of the calendar. That didn't
27:34
Speaker 5: really that didn't matter to me. I just knew when
27:36
Speaker 5: January came, I like to be close to spring training
27:42
Speaker 5: ready as possible. And what I guess kind of what
27:45
Speaker 5: that looks like is probably different for everybody, But for me,
27:49
Speaker 5: spring training was was a grind, not because physically I
27:53
Speaker 5: wasn't ready, but I think standing around in cleats, So
27:56
Speaker 5: in January for me was the time of really getting
28:00
Speaker 5: out on a on a field and getting in cleats
28:04
Speaker 5: and you know, doing doing some doing baseball activity like
28:08
Speaker 5: on the field. And so that was like the biggest
28:11
Speaker 5: thing for me, is can I be spring training ready?
28:14
Speaker 5: Because you say you can't really be season ready, right
28:17
Speaker 5: because you still you need to go through spring training.
28:19
Speaker 5: You got to add bats, the timing, all of those
28:21
Speaker 5: things that you you need spring training for to prepare
28:24
Speaker 5: you for the season. But uh, the off season and
28:30
Speaker 5: being in January and six weeks coming, I knew that
28:32
Speaker 5: I needed to be probably in the in pretty close
28:36
Speaker 5: to spring training ready at this point. And you know,
28:39
Speaker 5: obviously there's still a lot of time, but at this point,
28:43
Speaker 5: like I'm pretty much the strongest is that I'm gonna
28:47
Speaker 5: be at this point physically mentally, what are you really
28:53
Speaker 5: working on mentally? As far as you know being You've
28:55
Speaker 5: you've already been through the ground. You know what that's like.
28:58
Speaker 5: I think again, you're trying to to really hone in
29:02
Speaker 5: on those things that you struggle with the year before,
29:05
Speaker 5: fix some of those weaknesses that you struggle with, and
29:08
Speaker 5: then physically again, I needed to make sure I was healthy,
29:12
Speaker 5: you know, I needed to make sure that I was
29:14
Speaker 5: healthy in January and not dealing with the knacking injury
29:18
Speaker 5: going into spring training. I've done that before. It was
29:20
Speaker 5: terrible because now I'm spending a lot of the spring
29:24
Speaker 5: training nursing an injury.
29:26
Speaker 2: So in January it was.
29:27
Speaker 5: About, Hey, I need to be physically the strongest that
29:30
Speaker 5: I that I want to be, that I need to
29:32
Speaker 5: be that I'm healthy. Mentally, you're pretty much already locked
29:36
Speaker 5: in for you know, you're you're locked in at this
29:38
Speaker 5: point for spring training. You're just trying to really figure
29:42
Speaker 5: out where am I staying If you haven't figured that
29:44
Speaker 5: out yet, you know, things like that matter kind of
29:46
Speaker 5: more than that how you feel and things like that,
29:50
Speaker 5: because you've already been through a majority part of.
29:54
Speaker 2: The off season to take care of those things.
29:56
Speaker 5: So you're trying to figure out, Hey, where am I
29:58
Speaker 5: staying is to have a pool? How about you know
30:00
Speaker 5: what type of things am I gonna be able to
30:03
Speaker 5: do once I leave the ball field?
30:04
Speaker 2: You know, you want to be able.
30:05
Speaker 5: To still enjoy yourself, but you know you want to
30:09
Speaker 5: have a good place to stay when the family comes
30:11
Speaker 5: and friends come and things like that. So that's that's
30:14
Speaker 5: the things that I wanted to make sure that I
30:17
Speaker 5: was equipped for at this point. And you know, coming
30:21
Speaker 5: into the season.
30:23
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm curious because you've talked about how like
30:27
Speaker 1: you know, it was hard for you to maintain weight
30:29
Speaker 1: during the season. You would just like shed pounds. Did
30:32
Speaker 1: that Did that trait? Physical trait really come in handy
30:37
Speaker 1: during like Thanksgiving and Christmas and even like New Year celebrations.
30:40
Speaker 1: Knowing that, hey man, I ain't gotta worry about anything
30:43
Speaker 1: because this is gonna melt off me off me anyway,
30:45
Speaker 1: depending you know, like whether whether it's now two weeks
30:49
Speaker 1: from now or three months from now, that it's actually
30:52
Speaker 1: services potatoes.
30:53
Speaker 5: They hey, hey man, listen, it was so it was
30:58
Speaker 5: a grind for you, boy man, and I know we
31:00
Speaker 5: spoke of that before, we joke around, but it was
31:03
Speaker 5: a grind for me, man, and that was you know,
31:05
Speaker 5: another thing that I had to really focus on was
31:08
Speaker 5: my weight, like in eating and just eating a lot.
31:12
Speaker 5: It was crazy for me because now I can eat
31:14
Speaker 5: whatever I want, and it don't it's sticking now, you know,
31:18
Speaker 5: I gotta be careful on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
31:21
Speaker 2: Now I ain't no celebrations.
31:23
Speaker 5: I'm getting a small survey of everything that I used
31:27
Speaker 5: to just get three plates, you know, because I felt that,
31:29
Speaker 5: you know, I needed those calories man, to try to
31:31
Speaker 5: bulk up for the season and last. But that you know,
31:34
Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought that up because that was that
31:36
Speaker 5: was a big focus for me. And that was a
31:38
Speaker 5: big focus for you know, me and the strength coach
31:41
Speaker 5: and the nutrition coach for whatever team that I was on.
31:44
Speaker 5: That was a big thing of saying like, hey, I
31:47
Speaker 5: need to put on back on some weight because I've
31:49
Speaker 5: lost everything during the season. So you know, they send
31:53
Speaker 5: you home with that that regimen and you try your
31:56
Speaker 5: best to stick to it.
31:57
Speaker 2: Man.
31:57
Speaker 5: But again, like you said, one spring train ain't and started.
32:00
Speaker 5: I felt like I lost everything that I worked on
32:03
Speaker 5: and I would. I was back basically to like playing weight,
32:06
Speaker 5: like mid August weight, and it was just it was annoying.
32:09
Speaker 2: Man, it was super annoying. But it's not a problem
32:12
Speaker 2: I deal with anymore.
32:13
Speaker 5: But I hate it for anybody that's dealing with that man,
32:15
Speaker 5: because it is who just wants to eat like that?
32:19
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like, at some point, enough
32:21
Speaker 5: is enough. This is the sizes is the strongest I'm
32:24
Speaker 5: gonna get. I don't care no more. I'm done eating.
32:26
Speaker 5: I'm gonna eat a big salad. Like Ken Griffy said
32:29
Speaker 5: on the commercial, i'mnna get a big salad.
32:31
Speaker 2: I'm good.
32:32
Speaker 1: So all right, good stuff, good stuff, anything else, Cody
32:38
Speaker 1: before we eat, jet out of here.
32:39
Speaker 4: No, I'm good.
32:41
Speaker 2: All right.
32:41
Speaker 1: Well, want to thank everybody for falling along on YouTube
32:45
Speaker 1: and on xom me on Twitter at Tiger Territory Underscore,
32:48
Speaker 1: go to Tiger Territory Shop dot com for all your
32:51
Speaker 1: Tiger Territory merch needs. And we're just getting started here
32:54
Speaker 1: in the new year as we march on toward the season.
32:57
Speaker 1: So for Cody Stavenhagen, Austin Jackson, I'm Kieren Steckley, everybody
33:02
Speaker 1: have a great deck boom