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Basketball Offense Strategies for Scoring More Points · A Quick Timeout

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Back on the show,
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director of coach development for Savvy Coaching,
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Mark Cascio.
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SPEAKER_01: This week is a mailbag episode.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach, are you ready for this?
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SPEAKER_01: I love a mailbag episode.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
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SPEAKER_01: Focusing this week on the offensive side of the ball.
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SPEAKER_01: After all, as we all know, offense wins championships.
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SPEAKER_01: So let me start with this first one here from Twitter.
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Coach says,
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I have a player that the defense is sagging off when he's away
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from the basketball.
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SPEAKER_01: He's a great ball handler and a streaky shooter at best.
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SPEAKER_01: As a good rebounder can finish around the rim.
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Do you feel like set plays are the solution or do you have
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another suggestion?
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: if it's a set play that's going to utilize him as a screener,
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SPEAKER_00: I think that would be good,
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SPEAKER_00: right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because whether he's an on-ball screener,
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SPEAKER_00: off-ball screener,
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SPEAKER_00: if they're just going to sit that player in the lane,
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SPEAKER_00: then you take away some coverage there,
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SPEAKER_00: which I think is good.
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SPEAKER_00: But,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: some other,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: adjustments outside of a play,
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SPEAKER_00: because I think where we get in trouble with plays is,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: in reality,
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SPEAKER_00: how many times are you going to call this play?
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe three, four, five times in a game.
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SPEAKER_00: I even think five might be a lot.
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So we put all this time in installing this play to prepare a
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certain defense.
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SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, we don't get to it quite as much.
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SPEAKER_00: We feel like we spent so much practice time on it.
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And another thing that you've probably heard us talk about on
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this podcast is when
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SPEAKER_00: we run a play,
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SPEAKER_00: we get a shot and it's not necessarily a shot that we want.
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So we can run all these like the sequence or pattern where all
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five players do their job.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, eh, like Tony comes off that screen.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like it kind of was a good shot,
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SPEAKER_00: but,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: we'd rather like to get dominoes falling and get a better one.
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So some other ideas outside of a play that I've recommended to
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players is put this,
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I've recommended to coaches for players like this is put that
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guy in the dunker.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I just like put him in a position where you got to guard him.
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And especially if he can finish around the rim,
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he's got some length or size to him.
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I think that's a good spot for him because he ultimately
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becomes a burn cutter.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you don't like the idea of putting him in the dunker,
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SPEAKER_00: then make him a burn cutter from the perimeter.
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So any dribble penetration,
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he can cut in,
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burn,
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and just take advantage of rotation that way.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I would also just limit their reads whenever they get catches.
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SPEAKER_00: Like if you get a catch, then you're into this action.
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SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times that can be as simple as just a dribble handoff.
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That gets you some uphill dribble handoffs if they're in the
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corner on the baseline
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SPEAKER_00: or some just traditional dribble handoffs.
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SPEAKER_00: But at least it gets us into an action.
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SPEAKER_00: The ball keeps moving.
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SPEAKER_00: And if they're going to sag off, then you don't have coverage there.
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So hopefully you take away anything that they would do to
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neutralize your dribble handoff.
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This past season,
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we had a kid who was the guard spot and put him in the dunker
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spot.
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And you end up with now a defender who's not necessarily used
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to guarding that.
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SPEAKER_01: All they know is I'm supposed to give help.
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And it actually played to your advantage there because then he
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gives hope,
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SPEAKER_01: doesn't really know where he's giving help,
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SPEAKER_01: creates an open look to the guy in the dunker spot and gave that guy
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SPEAKER_01: Got us several buckets off of that.
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SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that's a great one.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Next one here.
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I'm working with a high school freshman boys team this season
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after previously
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SPEAKER_01: coaching varsity and I'm running into two main issues.
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SPEAKER_01: Our off ball movement is pretty stagnant.
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There's just too many people standing in the same spot and
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we're not moving the ball well.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll start with that one and then I'll ask the second part of it.
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SPEAKER_00: All right,
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this one's interesting because I would be – I'd want to see the
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film and like are
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we actually – is standing a good thing is what I would look at
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because I know
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SPEAKER_00: traditionally,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm guilty of this as well and have been,
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SPEAKER_00: is hey,
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SPEAKER_00: we've got to move,
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SPEAKER_00: right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like move and be hard to guard.
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SPEAKER_00: We should have five players in motion.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you're standing and you're holding gravity,
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SPEAKER_00: like we're on an X or if we're creating space and oxygen for our offense,
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SPEAKER_00: then –
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SPEAKER_00: Standing is actually a really good thing.
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I have found that it's harder to get players to hold their
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spacing rather than to
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SPEAKER_00: get them to move.
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SPEAKER_00: So that would be the lens I would first want to tackle this from is,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: if we're not standing in the right spots,
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SPEAKER_00: then get them standing in the right spots.
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SPEAKER_00: They're creating space.
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But let's assume that this is maybe all dribble penetration or
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something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Then I would just teach through principles.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a firm believer in principle-based teaching.
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That means we could zoom out and answer a lot of different
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questions with one answer.
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SPEAKER_00: So one that I would suggest here that we use in RDS,
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SPEAKER_00: which is our offensive system that we're teaching at Savvy,
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SPEAKER_00: is when the ball is driven to you,
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SPEAKER_00: hold your spot.
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SPEAKER_00: That means the ball is hunting.
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SPEAKER_00: If Tony has the ball and he's hunting and he's cracking the shell,
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SPEAKER_00: I want to give him as much space for as long as possible.
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SPEAKER_00: But if the ball is going away from you, you're automatically filling.
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SPEAKER_00: So now we're given support.
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If that drive is neutralized,
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now we got some crack back,
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some skip back options.
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SPEAKER_00: So I would just start from there.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is the way I would tackle any issue,
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whether it has to do with moving off the ball or rebounding or
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getting to an
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SPEAKER_00: action,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever it is,
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SPEAKER_00: is start playing from the place that you're trying to address first.
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SPEAKER_00: So I would just start with a small advantage.
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SPEAKER_00: Five on five shoulder to shoulder.
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Let's attack this triple gap and let's just put everybody in a
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position to move.
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So that would be that would be the first place that I would I
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would tackle from.
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SPEAKER_00: And then if they if there's any error there, just stop, rewind, redo.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I would,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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you want to create through lines throughout your training
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sessions or practices.
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So a lot of my shooting drills would be out of like crackbacks
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and skipbacks where
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SPEAKER_00: we're moving behind dribble penetration.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're just tackling that in a lot of different ways.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we talked last time about putting the X's on the ground.
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I think that would be a big help for this,
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especially when it came to the film.
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SPEAKER_01: It was interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: It was about six months ago or so,
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and that video with Draymond Green talking about this
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quote-unquote revolutionary
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SPEAKER_01: idea of if the ball's driven at you,
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SPEAKER_01: you kind of circle movement away from it,
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SPEAKER_01: and then you pull from behind it.
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Those of you that have been following Coach Cascio and others
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for a while,
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SPEAKER_01: that's not too revolutionary.
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But I think even the smallest of – I was doing a film study on
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Cameron Boozer and
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SPEAKER_01: watching him out on the perimeter –
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and ball being driven at him just simply like two steps away
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from the ball,
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SPEAKER_01: sliding two steps away from it,
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SPEAKER_01: puts his defender on a kind of a decision.
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SPEAKER_01: Do I want to take a stunt to the ball?
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SPEAKER_01: You stunt to the ball, quick pitch.
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SPEAKER_01: We've talked about early, easy shots as well.
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SPEAKER_01: I always wonder about what player movement means to these coaches.
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SPEAKER_01: Are we talking about just randomly cutting to the basket,
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SPEAKER_01: or are you just talking about giving the ball space?
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Like you just said,
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hold your spot if the ball is driven at you if you're sitting
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in the corner.
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SPEAKER_01: But if you're up on the wing or at the top of the key,
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just two or steps to your right or to your left when the ball
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is being driven at
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SPEAKER_01: you,
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SPEAKER_01: whichever direction,
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SPEAKER_01: can create an open shot as well.
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And so I think there's always that constant of too much
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movement versus just standing.
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It all boils back to the spacing element and drawing a second
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defender and the
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SPEAKER_01: advantage,
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SPEAKER_01: the big advantage that it might create.
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SPEAKER_00: I like how you said, what does player movement mean to this coach?
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SPEAKER_00: Because context matters.
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SPEAKER_00: You want to be Goldilocks.
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SPEAKER_00: Too much movement is a bad thing.
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SPEAKER_00: It probably means you're closing space.
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SPEAKER_00: Not enough means you're not re-spacing or re-shaping the floor.
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SPEAKER_00: If you can't reshape or re-space the floor,
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you're going to have a hard time generating great shots because
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you're not going to
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SPEAKER_00: be able to take advantage of what defense has given you.
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context because we're
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we're kind of guessing on how to answer this question the best
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there might be this
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coach that asks this question out there is like hey that's not
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at all what i'm
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SPEAKER_00: look at your film and we'll tell you exactly how to tackle these issues
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And then the second part of that question had to do with
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transition and ways to
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SPEAKER_01: teach and get them player in regards to spacing,
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SPEAKER_01: cutting,
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SPEAKER_01: ball movement.
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SPEAKER_01: That may be the race to space stuff that you have.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I would say first,
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and it sounds like this coach might already be there because
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he's looking,
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it looks like he's looking to like improve because he's saying
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better spacing,
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SPEAKER_00: better cutting,
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SPEAKER_00: better ball movement.
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SPEAKER_00: But first it's reads first, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So like,
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SPEAKER_00: can we just create the conversion where,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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how quickly do we convert from offense to defense whenever the
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ball changes
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SPEAKER_00: possession?
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SPEAKER_00: Like that's, that's where I would start first and foremost.
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SPEAKER_00: then I would start to clarify our responsibilities and roles.
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And that would just be like teaching them terminology and how
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we are going to
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SPEAKER_00: create three things,
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SPEAKER_00: breakouts,
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SPEAKER_00: bolts,
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SPEAKER_00: and bombs.
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SPEAKER_00: So breakouts is how we break out of the dead zone.
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SPEAKER_00: And that just is the area like that you're defending, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That last third of the court.
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SPEAKER_00: So on change of possession,
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we break out and we're trying to create advantage right then by
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winning that race.
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Then we get into the speed zone and the speed zone is now we
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start to go to space
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SPEAKER_00: and we want to get wide first.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's like I think he said better spacing.
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I would look at are your players just running down the floor or
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are we getting wide
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SPEAKER_00: and creating space for the ball to hunt up the floor?
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And then when we get in the read zone,
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we start to read,
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do I have advantage or not?
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SPEAKER_00: If you don't have advantage, you just go lock down your spot.
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And this is the same coach talking about like holding,
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you know,
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movement.
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SPEAKER_00: So I would actually say,
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SPEAKER_00: go get stationary,
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SPEAKER_00: get in your spot if you can't get behind the defense.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: The principle there in the rezone is if I can get behind the defense,
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SPEAKER_00: so cut to the rim with advantage,
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whether that is a burn cut in the half court or running to the
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rim in the full
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SPEAKER_00: court is if I can get behind,
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SPEAKER_00: if I have advantage,
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SPEAKER_00: then I cut to the rim.
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SPEAKER_00: So that would be what I would start with.
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You could also just clarify roles as well,
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depending on how many roles you wanted.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, you are always going left.
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SPEAKER_00: You are always going right.
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You're always filling the dunker,
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whatever shape that you want to arrive in.
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SPEAKER_00: I think you could start with like really,
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really high clarity and specific roles early in the year and
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then loosen those up
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SPEAKER_00: as the year goes on and give them a little bit more freedom.
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This one has to do with kind of blending that race in space and
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then the drive in
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SPEAKER_01: space,
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SPEAKER_01: that initial action,
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SPEAKER_01: the first pass across half court.
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SPEAKER_01: So typically where you'd have like your fingers or your fan,
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what are some suggestions for helping my guys not run the same
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actions over or the
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SPEAKER_01: same action over and over?
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And I remember us talking when I first started following you
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and we started talking
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SPEAKER_01: about this,
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SPEAKER_01: like guys locking into fingers and running that over and over.
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SPEAKER_01: And it goes on.
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SPEAKER_01: We practice fan fingers and some others,
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and they seem to use the one that's been emphasized most
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recently in a breakdown
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SPEAKER_01: shooting drill or a small sided game.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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that's not the end of the world because at least what you're
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doing in practice is
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SPEAKER_00: transferring if they're always doing that last thing.
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SPEAKER_00: But I do think role specific is the easiest.
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SPEAKER_00: Like if I'm going to give the coach out there the suggestion of like,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: how do I get my players to do this the fastest?
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SPEAKER_00: It's just like transition.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, you go left, you go right.
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SPEAKER_00: Like we could probably fix that in one day.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not my favorite way to teach it,
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SPEAKER_00: but it is probably the highest leverage or the quickest fix there.
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SPEAKER_00: So you could do the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like when you're in rows, you are running
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This I've also I was talking to a coach that that I've worked
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with for years and
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SPEAKER_00: he's just like,
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SPEAKER_00: man,
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SPEAKER_00: like I've told my team,
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you're not allowed to run fingers first because that is what
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everybody is preparing
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SPEAKER_00: for.
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SPEAKER_00: So but,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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I did a film breakdown earlier for a for a member and I said
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this like verbatim is.
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SPEAKER_00: if you can get the ball down,
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SPEAKER_00: up,
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SPEAKER_00: and then over in the fingers,
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SPEAKER_00: it's almost always better because you're stampeding into that catch.
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SPEAKER_00: So you're using momentum.
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SPEAKER_00: You're already catching downhill,
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SPEAKER_00: but also you've got slack or space between you and your defender.
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So now that fingers cut is going to be right in their line of
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guarding the ball,
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SPEAKER_00: which is just – it gets you a better rub.
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So even just getting the ball moving would be something that I
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would suggest to
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SPEAKER_00: this team if they're only running one cut over and over and over.
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If we're going to do that,
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then,
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hey,
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I'll meet you somewhere in the middle.
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SPEAKER_00: And we're at least going to get some movement into that first action.
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SPEAKER_00: And movement is false motion.
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SPEAKER_00: So Princeton people would know forwards out or something like that.
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We've got a bunch of movements that we run that just determine
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who's going to get
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SPEAKER_00: that first bite of the apple.
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SPEAKER_00: So that'd be, that'd be another way.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's actually just real fast.
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SPEAKER_00: Why I call it Rose series is named after Derek Rose,
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SPEAKER_00: but I wanted my players to understand that we have a series of cuts.
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SPEAKER_00: We have a menu of actions that we need to choose from.
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SPEAKER_00: So here's a way that I would train that is like,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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SPEAKER_00: we call it a locks game where we cannot shoot until we run fan.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's say is, is one of our actions in Rose series.
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SPEAKER_00: If my team is just like overly leaning on fingers and
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SPEAKER_00: I'd say, all right, let's start with fingers, but we cannot run.
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We cannot shoot until we run fan and just make them find fan
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throughout that possession.
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So all we're doing is like tuning their focus or their
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attention to running
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SPEAKER_00: something else other than fingers.
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This kind of jumps back to the full court portion of things in
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transition,
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SPEAKER_01: but motivating kids to run the court.
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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SPEAKER_01: he says we're a good team,
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but I only have a few kids that are always sprinting and
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hustling and it kills us.
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um you know it's interesting to like motivating kids to run i
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think you know like
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the every coach has become like a cliche now is like kids say
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they want to run
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until it's time to run right but i also like let's find the
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root cause uh is it
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conditioning is it like we just don't play hard enough yet like
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they're learning
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how to play hard every possession is it if we go back like you
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said to the previous
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SPEAKER_00: is it just a conversion thing like
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SPEAKER_00: Are we,
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are we too technical and not attacking the read first where
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it's just like,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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SPEAKER_00: change of possession,
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SPEAKER_00: let's roll.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's where I would start is like,
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SPEAKER_00: I think anytime you're trying to build something,
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SPEAKER_00: especially if it's like a style of play thing and I,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe playing fast or playing,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: a pace and space game is new to this team.
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SPEAKER_00: We got to change the mindset first.
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I feel like if you just get out on the court and it's like,
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Hey,
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this is what we're going to do.
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SPEAKER_00: What's hard?
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Like we're going from like zero to 60 and we're expecting like
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quick change of
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SPEAKER_00: behavior,
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SPEAKER_00: quick habits to change without first like addressing why we're doing it,
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SPEAKER_00: how we're going to do it and then what we're actually going to do.
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SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, we're kind of in mid December here.
14:59
SPEAKER_00: So like maybe they don't need new knowledge.
15:01
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they know exactly what to do.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's just they need more habits.
15:06
They do just like feel what it feels like to play fast and to
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do that,
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like the motivation.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: would not really be what I say.
15:14
SPEAKER_00: It'd be what I measure.
15:15
SPEAKER_00: So, hey, the ball has to cross half court in four seconds or less.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: So just that's what we're going to measure.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: And every time the ball crosses half court in four seconds or less,
15:24
I'm going to give offense one point and we're going to play to
15:27
12 by twos and
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SPEAKER_00: threes.
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So you could score every single time you're on offense by just
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getting at the cross.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: And then if you let's say we do that and we get a layup,
15:36
SPEAKER_00: then you get three points for that possession.
15:39
Uh,
15:39
and you know,
15:40
another thing you could measure be like,
15:41
Hey,
15:41
don't be the 10th player back.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: If you're the 10th player back, you get subbed out, something like that.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: So I think the measurement would not be like yelling,
15:49
SPEAKER_00: telling,
15:49
SPEAKER_00: begging,
15:50
SPEAKER_00: pleading,
15:50
SPEAKER_00: uh,
15:51
SPEAKER_00: the motivation would come from just like,
15:54
SPEAKER_00: Hey,
15:54
SPEAKER_00: what are we actually evaluating?
15:56
SPEAKER_00: And I would just limit that to one thing.
15:57
Uh,
15:58
and I think slowly over time,
15:59
you'll see your team start to gravitate to playing faster.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, these last three are like one-offs here and still offense.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: This question is kind of funny to me because,
16:58
SPEAKER_01: like you said,
16:59
SPEAKER_01: we're mid-December,
17:00
SPEAKER_01: which I guess we've been playing for a little bit here.
17:02
But this is something that I figure people would be asking like
17:05
mid-January.
17:06
But teams are already seeing now defenses,
17:09
ultra-aggressive,
17:10
sometimes junk defenses.
17:12
SPEAKER_01: This one in particular,
17:13
SPEAKER_01: middle school level,
17:14
SPEAKER_01: which maybe this is how the team plays normally,
17:16
SPEAKER_01: I guess.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: But a 1-3-1 that double teams a lot.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: What do you do schematically,
17:20
SPEAKER_01: even where the players are standing,
17:22
SPEAKER_01: anything like that that would help against something like that?
17:25
Yeah,
17:26
against any odd man front zone,
17:28
we went to an alignment that I called Jackson.
17:30
SPEAKER_00: It was just a 2-1-2.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: And the idea, like, first, you know, he says schematically where –
17:38
I'm not going to give you a press break because we didn't
17:40
really run a press break.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: We got our players into those spots,
17:43
SPEAKER_00: just a 2-1-2 where our first two,
17:46
SPEAKER_00: our rackers,
17:46
SPEAKER_00: were playing in tandem.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: Our runners, our wings, were playing in tandem.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: They were kind of yo-yoing back and forth.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: And our middle player is just being available to the ball.
17:55
And all we were trying to do is create space,
17:58
attack space,
17:58
and pass in the space.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: That's the press break.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: And just like in the half court,
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we want to get defense in the coverage and then punish them for
18:05
being in coverage.
18:06
I actually really loved playing against the 1-3-1 because it
18:09
was so easy to bait
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SPEAKER_00: two players to get on the ball.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: And then now we're playing...
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SPEAKER_00: Yes,
18:14
SPEAKER_00: momentarily you're at a disadvantage,
18:16
SPEAKER_00: but once you get out of that,
18:17
SPEAKER_00: you're playing at an advantage.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: And at the lower levels, the most aggressive team wins.
18:22
So you really should start your season preparing to play at a
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disadvantage because
18:28
we've all seen the AAU tournament or coach that game or played
18:31
that game when
18:31
SPEAKER_00: you're like the 10U game where one team presses,
18:34
SPEAKER_00: the other team doesn't.
18:35
The team that presses almost always wins that game because it's
18:39
just the most
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SPEAKER_00: aggressive at the lower level is going to win.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: So I would teach my players like these principles,
18:45
SPEAKER_00: like create space,
18:46
SPEAKER_00: attack space,
18:46
SPEAKER_00: pass in the space.
18:47
But some other things is going two out of every trap,
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keeping the ball off the sideline.
18:53
SPEAKER_00: We called it getting off the rail.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: The sideline was a high speed rail.
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So any catch up the side,
18:58
we immediately attacked middle with the dribble.
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Because I found that most coaches will start the possession at
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a disadvantage and
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then try to create advantage where we want to bait that team
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into coverage and then
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SPEAKER_00: start from advantage.
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And we could I mean,
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gosh,
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this could be like an hour long podcast just on this because.
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SPEAKER_00: That is a topic that in our savvy community.
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So every Friday we do a film feedback that we post in our
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community for everybody to see.
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SPEAKER_00: We did a poll last week of like, hey, what do you want to see?
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Offense,
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defense,
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shot breakdown,
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pressure,
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NBA or college game or something else.
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SPEAKER_00: And like overwhelmingly,
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it's always pressure when we ask because that's what coaches
19:40
need help on.
19:40
So we're constantly creating resources on this and it all goes
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back to like,
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SPEAKER_00: Know what battle you're fighting.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: We're not dribbling the ball across half court,
19:50
SPEAKER_00: getting trapped,
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SPEAKER_00: and then it's like,
19:51
SPEAKER_00: hey,
19:52
SPEAKER_00: all right,
19:52
SPEAKER_00: we can't handle pressure.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like, how do we keep our players out of that?
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And I would do that through principles instead of a
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quote-unquote press break.
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SPEAKER_01: If you want to see what not to do,
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SPEAKER_01: our game from last Tuesday against Furman,
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SPEAKER_01: that's what not to do the last four minutes of the first half.
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SPEAKER_01: Two things that came to mind that we did.
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The first was we married the trap rather than engaged the trap,
20:12
and that killed us.
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The thing that we had success that I would suggest is before
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you get across half
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SPEAKER_01: court,
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SPEAKER_01: switch sides of the floor.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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Because you typically,
20:21
nobody usually is just standing flat with their chest facing
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half court.
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SPEAKER_01: That top guy is trying to funnel you one way.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you throw it to the other side.
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SPEAKER_01: He has to turn and run to the other side.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: Then the last thing is,
20:33
while I understand the guy with the ball is important and can
20:37
totally screw your
20:38
SPEAKER_01: entire offense up,
20:40
it sometimes is the people who are one pass away that are the
20:43
most important people
20:45
because those corner guys down at the bottom like to stand
20:47
there and wait for the
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SPEAKER_01: ball to come to them.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: rather than just simply taking a couple steps up.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: And we all think that, you know, get the ball to the middle.
20:56
If you immediately try to get the ball to the middle,
20:58
that zone's already loaded to that side.
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SPEAKER_01: So changing sides early, lifting the guys from the corner early.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: And then once you get the ball down to the bottom third of the floor,
21:08
SPEAKER_01: every zone turns into a two,
21:09
SPEAKER_01: three zone.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: And then you can kind of go to your standard formation for that as well.
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yeah um just that's good yeah even like crossing sides of the
21:17
floor that's a a form
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of creating space and attacking space right like if we if we
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attack space on one
21:24
end so the ball's on the left side of the floor well now we're
21:27
creating space on
21:28
the other side so let's make sure we get it there and that's
21:30
exactly what i meant
21:31
but like can we cross with advantage there can we get into the
21:35
to the big side of
21:35
SPEAKER_00: the floor then cross instead of
21:37
like shrinking the floor by attacking space and then crossing
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half court.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: So especially against like a one, three, one trap.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: But honestly,
21:44
SPEAKER_00: like,
21:45
I think another part of this would be like how you frame it to
21:49
your players is in a
21:50
SPEAKER_00: lot of times,
21:51
SPEAKER_00: to be honest,
21:52
I would rather play against a trapping defense because we don't
21:55
really have to work
21:56
SPEAKER_00: for dominoes.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: Like you're giving us dominoes and then it's kind of just like,
21:59
SPEAKER_00: let the best team win from there.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: What's your philosophy now?
22:04
Maybe now that you're working with coaches and you see a lot of
22:07
film and this may
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SPEAKER_01: be more so of level of play,
22:10
SPEAKER_01: but what's your philosophy now on offensive rebounding?
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SPEAKER_01: How many to send, how to execute it, anything else?
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Yeah,
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like I mentioned here,
22:17
your answer on this one as well,
22:19
just being at the college level.
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SPEAKER_00: All right,
22:21
SPEAKER_00: there's questions that you get in this job,
22:26
SPEAKER_00: I guess,
22:26
SPEAKER_00: over and over and over,
22:27
SPEAKER_00: and you're like,
22:28
SPEAKER_00: oh,
22:28
SPEAKER_00: I got to answer this one again.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: This is not one of those.
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SPEAKER_00: I actually really love this one, and we get it a lot.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: I went from sending three and doing halfback and fullback and tailbacks,
22:40
SPEAKER_00: and we really didn't have a presence on the board.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: And then we went full positionless.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: We switched everything defensively, so we were kind of positionless.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Offensively, we were playing –
22:50
SPEAKER_00: Five out, positionless.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, how can I keep?
22:53
I didn't want to have like roles or quote unquote positions
22:56
with defensive
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SPEAKER_00: transition or offensive rebounding.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: So we started to shoot or get back and we crashed four.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: That way it was really, really binary.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: We could watch film and say, hey, you shot.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: You should have been back.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: You didn't shoot.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: You should have had some type of presence on the board.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: And now I've kind of continued that trend.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: I really like tagging up.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I, I did it one year.
23:18
I didn't do it well,
23:19
just from the standpoint of like,
23:20
I didn't teach it well.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't something, it was something I wanted to do.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't something I was like convicted to do.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: So I'd go an hour in the practice and like,
23:28
SPEAKER_00: oh gosh,
23:28
SPEAKER_00: I haven't talked about tagging like once in practice.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: So we weren't great at it the year that I ran it.
23:33
And that's why we went to the shooter,
23:35
get back for us kind of that hybrid a little bit.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: But I would send five.
23:40
And there's something that we talk about a lot is like,
23:43
don't tell me,
23:44
show me.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: So same thing like scouting with our players.
23:47
Don't tell your players what the other guy does,
23:49
what the other team does.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Just show them.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: Show them on film.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: They're going to have a better visual there.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: But same thing is like,
23:55
SPEAKER_00: oh,
23:55
SPEAKER_00: if we send five to the glass,
23:57
SPEAKER_00: they're going to beat us in transition.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: OK, show me like if that happens, we can always adjust.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: But if we're tagging the right way, you shouldn't beat us in transition.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not we're not recklessly just going with five.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: There's a system there.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: That's why I like it.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm a big systems guy.
24:13
Uh,
24:13
so I would send five and the idea is that like,
24:16
we're going to take a lot of threes.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: Let's,
24:19
SPEAKER_00: let's make sure we,
24:19
SPEAKER_00: you know,
24:20
SPEAKER_00: if we're going to make 35% of those,
24:22
SPEAKER_00: well,
24:22
SPEAKER_00: let's go get 35% of those misses and turn that into an advantage for us.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: So what, what about you?
24:27
SPEAKER_00: What are,
24:28
what are y'all currently doing and what ideally what's the best
24:31
system that you
24:33
SPEAKER_00: would get to?
24:34
SPEAKER_01: We went from sending three to sending five and tagging up.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: And now I'm at sending two.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: And that may be in part to, you know, we're all over the board.
24:45
I won't bore people,
24:46
but we're all over the board in the level of play that we play
24:48
against.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: The five we tried, and just like you, we were not convicted about it.
24:54
And we also,
24:55
I think personnel,
24:57
I think personnel really matters with tagging up.
25:00
And not just personnel,
25:01
like what they can do,
25:02
but their own mentality with it as well.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: And then also their ability to guard advantages,
25:08
disadvantaged transitions and that kind of stuff on the other
25:10
end of the floor.
25:11
I would rather,
25:12
I think with us going back into the zone,
25:14
I would rather us get set in our zone.
25:17
What I like about what you're doing is your offensive
25:21
rebounding philosophy fits
25:24
SPEAKER_00: your defensive transition slash your half-court defensive philosophy.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: Whenever coaches will ask that question, I get it a lot.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey, how many should we be sending?
25:34
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, what is your transition defense?
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Because I don't know.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: If you want this player to pick up the ball,
25:41
then that player probably shouldn't be getting back on the rise
25:44
of the shot.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: So as long as that fits,
25:46
SPEAKER_00: as long as you have a reason for why you're doing it,
25:49
SPEAKER_00: I think that's great.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: I think there's no wrong answer there.
25:52
I think that you have to practice it more than people think
25:54
that you have to
25:55
SPEAKER_01: practice tagging up.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: it's not another rebound.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: Like it is a,
25:59
SPEAKER_01: it is,
25:59
SPEAKER_01: it is part of a,
26:00
it's almost a system of play that you have to spend a lot of
26:04
time on and scenarios
26:05
SPEAKER_01: on.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: And two,
26:06
SPEAKER_01: I would also encourage coaches to think about like,
26:08
SPEAKER_01: what,
26:08
SPEAKER_01: what are you trying to generate?
26:09
SPEAKER_01: We're trying to create more offensive rebounds.
26:11
No,
26:11
you're trying to generate more possessions is what you're
26:13
trying to generate.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: So how are you going to do that?
26:16
Well,
26:16
I've chosen to primarily do that through deflections and
26:19
turnovers in the half court.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Well, I want to do all of those.
26:22
Like you can't be great at all of those things and your players
26:25
may not be great at
26:26
SPEAKER_01: all of those things.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Maybe that is your philosophy.
26:28
We're just going to be average at all of them and hopefully
26:30
they accumulate to 10
26:31
SPEAKER_01: more possessions for us,
26:32
SPEAKER_01: but.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, Michael Jordan was not a great three point shooter.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: Neither is LeBron.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: And like, they're pretty dang good.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, they're the arguments for the GOAT.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: So just like as a team,
26:42
SPEAKER_00: it's like,
26:42
SPEAKER_00: hey,
26:43
SPEAKER_00: if we're going to be great at these other things,
26:45
SPEAKER_00: it means we're not going to be great at something else.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: And this is something I did a couple of years as a head coach.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: And I wish I'd have done it more and every coach should do it more.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: There's kind of a framework that we go through now.
26:54
But the one I used to do is like just what are two things we
26:58
want to be great at?
26:59
SPEAKER_00: And then what are two things we want to be good at?
27:02
And then identify like three to five things that you can just
27:05
live with being average at.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, what can we just live with?
27:09
SPEAKER_00: And one of those things might be offensive rebounding for you,
27:12
SPEAKER_00: but we're going to be really good in other areas.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: And if we're really good in those areas,
27:16
SPEAKER_00: then the stuff that we're not great at kind of doesn't matter.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Just like LeBron and Michael Jordan.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: All right, this is the last one.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: And I typically get this once a year at least.
27:26
It's one that I'll ask the question and coaches almost kind of
27:29
blow it off.
27:30
I probably swing the other direction and maybe think it's too
27:33
big of a deal.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: However, it is one of the four factors.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: And so to completely blow it off, I just don't agree with.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: And that is free throw shooting.
27:42
incorporating free throws into practice,
27:45
how to do it,
27:45
how frequently to do it.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: I get all the pressure needs to be.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: With all of those factors in your mind, what did you do?
27:54
SPEAKER_01: How much did you do it?
27:56
And be honest,
27:57
did your team suck at free throws or were they actually good at
28:00
free throws?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you said that because I was going to start there.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, all right, two things before we dive into it.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: Number one,
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if you have seen evidence that volume free throw shooting
28:13
translates to game makes,
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SPEAKER_00: share it with me.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying I have not seen it.
28:19
Now I have done volume free throws,
28:21
but we kind of got away from that later.
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SPEAKER_00: And I will say this,
28:25
SPEAKER_00: my teams were never like,
28:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I had a team that was just like 80% from the line or,
28:30
SPEAKER_00: you know,
28:30
SPEAKER_00: we were usually like high sixties,
28:33
SPEAKER_00: low seventies.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: Like we weren't great,
28:36
SPEAKER_00: but there,
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SPEAKER_00: here are the ways that we,
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SPEAKER_00: we worked on it is first,
28:41
I would make sure that we're addressing the mental side of it
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first because
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SPEAKER_00: Deep breath, have a routine, and make your free throw twice.
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SPEAKER_00: Meaning,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Steve Nash did the old,
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SPEAKER_00: like he would actually go through the shooting motion.
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I think at the very least,
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you should mentally picture the ball going into the net.
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Like whatever you picture in your head when you picture a swish
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free throw,
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SPEAKER_00: whether it's like from close in or from the stands,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever it is,
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SPEAKER_00: like picture yourself making that free throw before you shoot it.
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SPEAKER_00: Because most of the time we miss a free throw because of pressure.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's where I would start is like the mental approach to it.
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Then I'm going to shoot as many game like free throws as
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possible in practice.
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SPEAKER_00: And what I mean by that is just like do it within the flow of the game.
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So I actually hate blowing the whistle in practice and so much
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so I don't coach with a whistle.
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SPEAKER_00: But like we don't we don't play out of bounds.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't call fouls a whole lot.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't even like to call travels because usually like, all right.
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the player knows they traveled like if we're just training and
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like working through
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something i'm not going to call it now if we're competing and
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score is live and all
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that then yes we're going to call it just so it's fair but
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anytime you are calling
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fouls like if there's a scrimmage segment like line up and
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shoot the free throws
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validate wins with the free throw and what we used to do is we
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used to like the old
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SPEAKER_00: vance walberg thing but
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SPEAKER_00: We used to just like, all right, Tony scored the winning bucket.
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SPEAKER_00: Go to the line, shoot a free throw.
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SPEAKER_00: If you miss it, we're going to check it up and play.
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SPEAKER_00: Now we line up all 10.
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We're in a live free throw situation,
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and we would play live from the free throw.
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SPEAKER_00: There's another game that we called and won.
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any made basket treat as an and one so i could kick to tony and
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he shoots a wide
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open three if he makes it and one everybody line up we're
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shooting a free throw so
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tony gets a live free throw great way for the teams that are
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working on their press
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uh press and press break now you got a bunch of opportunities
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to press and break
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SPEAKER_00: the press after the free throw
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, so I would do it that way.
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SPEAKER_00: I also like,
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SPEAKER_00: if you're,
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hopefully you're using segments of practice and in between
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every segment of
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SPEAKER_00: practice,
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SPEAKER_00: we had a shooting segment and that'd be like eight to 10 minutes.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, so let's say we finish a game, two minutes, go shoot free throws.
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SPEAKER_00: And somebody might get like four or five,
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SPEAKER_00: six free throws in,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: and then we're going to a shooting game and then into another segment.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think when we sprinkled them in through that, like we got enough.
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SPEAKER_00: And then also I think when you're bad at it,
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SPEAKER_00: and you highlight it, you get worse.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's kind of like that measurement thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Like you're measuring something that's getting worse.
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SPEAKER_00: You're going to lose confidence in it.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you are not a good free throw shooting team,
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I wouldn't make a huge deal out of it unless you really know
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how to tackle it.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's some other like pressure free throw drills that we did,
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SPEAKER_00: but I think that's like the,
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the biggest thing I could give to coaches because I think just
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lining up and
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SPEAKER_00: shooting 20 on the line,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know that that translates.
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SPEAKER_01: I agree.
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SPEAKER_01: I used the Steve Nash free throw shooting.
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SPEAKER_01: It didn't originate with him, but it became popular with him in UConn.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to the line 30 seconds, 45 seconds on the clock.
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SPEAKER_01: No routine.
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SPEAKER_01: It's this balance between no routine and it's not pop a shot.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's just catch, pause, shoot, catch, pause, shoot.
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In 30 seconds,
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we get eight to nine free throws and come over and report as a
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team.
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SPEAKER_01: We're shooting for 85% as a team.
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but then we also sprinkle in to start a drill if you want to do
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perfect possession
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where you got to do score stop score well the first score is
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step to the line you
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got to make both free throws you can't do front and each one's
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the front end of a
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one-on-one so i i like the kind of it's not volume but the 30
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second free throw i
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want them to be comfortable coming to the line that's just
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something else that we
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do yeah but on the flip side of it of course you do have to
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have pressure to it and
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SPEAKER_01: so
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SPEAKER_01: whether it's that or to start a to start our press break.
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SPEAKER_01: So if our segment,
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SPEAKER_01: our seven minute segment is,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: doing the press,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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then we'll start it with a free throw and then they press off
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the free throw and
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SPEAKER_01: that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think finding different ways to do it,
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SPEAKER_01: because I hear we don't want to devote that much time to free throws.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm giving them a water break anyways.
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SPEAKER_01: It takes two and a half minutes.
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They're just shooting 30 second free throws and then going to
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the water and getting their water.
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SPEAKER_01: And then during it,
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they're just lining up shooting a free throw and it's getting
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right into our press.
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So it's not taking a lot of time and they're becoming
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comfortable with shooting free throws.
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SPEAKER_01: But there also is an element of pressure.
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So completely wiping it all the way out saying it's not game
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like I think is goofy.
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SPEAKER_01: But on the flip side of it, yes, I know it's not like a game either.
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SPEAKER_01: But then I want to ask those same coaches, so do you practice shooting?
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SPEAKER_01: Are you total just game-like shooting?
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SPEAKER_01: And maybe they are in practice,
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SPEAKER_01: but then I'm thinking,
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so are your players just doing game-like shooting on their own
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or are they doing
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SPEAKER_01: block shooting?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm finding out in life,
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SPEAKER_01: the more extreme you go on either direction,
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SPEAKER_01: most everything in life is supposed to be meant in balance.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I would rather them practice,
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SPEAKER_01: at least us practice a couple of different ways,
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SPEAKER_01: whether it's shooting or it's free throw shooting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Attack it from all different angles.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's how I just approach shooting in general.
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SPEAKER_00: We do some block shooting.
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SPEAKER_00: We do a lot of shooting with reads.
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SPEAKER_00: We do a lot of shooting out of action.
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SPEAKER_00: So I would do the same thing with free throws.
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SPEAKER_00: We can get some volume in.
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SPEAKER_00: We can get some fatigued ones in.
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SPEAKER_00: We can get some ones that go into live play.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think it's kind of like,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess,
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SPEAKER_00: you want to just spread your portfolio,
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SPEAKER_00: be a little diversified in there,
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SPEAKER_00: and not put all your eggs in one basket.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, that concludes it.
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If people have more questions,
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hit us up on Twitter,
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at Coach Cascio,
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at Tony W.
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Miller.
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SPEAKER_01: We can do another one of these before the season's over.
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SPEAKER_01: Before I let you go, what's going on with Savvy Coaching?
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SPEAKER_00: This month, we're diving in the shooting.
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SPEAKER_00: Coincidentally enough, talking free throw shooting here.
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SPEAKER_00: So every month we do a deep dive into a topic.
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SPEAKER_00: So right now, Tyler and I are sharing a lot of resources on shooting.
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SPEAKER_00: And all of our live trainings are centered around shooting,
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SPEAKER_00: meaning that we have prepared content that we share.
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SPEAKER_00: But every week we hop on live with our members.
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SPEAKER_00: They can ask any question that they want,
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SPEAKER_00: whether it's defense,
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SPEAKER_00: offense,
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SPEAKER_00: any of these kind of mailbags is kind of what we get,
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SPEAKER_00: just kind of across the board kind of Q&A there.
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And then we've got a special kind of a flash sale,
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holiday sale coming out.
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now would be a great time.
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SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: I will put a link down to that below so people can check that out.
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SPEAKER_01: Coach, appreciate you taking time for this today.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.