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Credlin | 15 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: It is good to having back Chris Kennedy back of
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Speaker 2: course this week. Let's get into a big show for
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Speaker 2: you tonight. Here's what's coming up on Kredline. Another day,
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Speaker 2: another poll with One Nation again in front of Labor.
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Speaker 2: The PM might be trying to pretend he isn't worried,
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Speaker 2: but his labor colleagues are more on that with Chris Yelman,
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Speaker 2: a massive win for regional Victoria. To that empty fire
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Speaker 2: station I exposed here on the program two weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: well it will soon be operational. The premiere back down
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Speaker 2: late on Friday. We'll also give you footage out of
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Speaker 2: yesterday's big CFA protest in justinto Allen's hometown of Bindigo.
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Speaker 2: Things are fast moving against ter plus and birthday boy.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump announces a deal with Iran, but is it
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Speaker 2: a win, what's in it and what happens to Iran's
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Speaker 2: nuclear program. We'll go through all of that detail in
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Speaker 2: a moment. And One Nation's fire the Layer donation drive,
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Speaker 2: well it's gone past four million today. Tonight I'm going
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Speaker 2: to show you an exclusive the ad they're going to.
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Speaker 3: Spend the money on.
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Speaker 2: It'll go to air Wednesday night during State of Origin.
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Speaker 3: Labor are scared.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has had a wake.
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Speaker 5: Up court.
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Speaker 2: Sneak peak at that ad coming out because it's another
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Speaker 2: day and another bad poll confirming that at least the
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Speaker 2: time being, Australians have had enough of the two major parties.
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Speaker 2: And that's a shocker right there. A massive five point
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Speaker 2: lift to one Nation now and a twenty nine percent primary,
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Speaker 2: a one point dropped to Labor. They're behind now on
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Speaker 2: twenty eight three point four for the Coalition. They're down
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Speaker 2: to a low twenty percent primary. But as bad as
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Speaker 2: the party vote is for Labor, the real dead weight
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Speaker 2: in the numbers is the Prime Minister. Now, I don't
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Speaker 2: think I've ever seen a political leader for.
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Speaker 3: This far, this fast.
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Speaker 2: Just to have a look at the numbers in today's
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Speaker 2: Nine's Resolve poll, the question is who do you want
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Speaker 2: to be Prime Minister? Well here's the result, pole In
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Speaker 2: Hanson's in the lead as a politician that more Australians
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Speaker 2: than anyone.
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Speaker 3: In charge of our country are.
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Speaker 2: Given how much Albanezi hates Hansen and everything he thinks
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Speaker 2: she stands for, this poll would be like salt into
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Speaker 2: an open wound. For the Prime Minister and the political left.
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Speaker 2: After all, they've invested almost three decades demonizing Hanson, only
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Speaker 2: for voters to now prefer her over everyone else. And
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Speaker 2: what would be discombobulating them, well most of them at least,
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Speaker 2: is that few in Labor are able to understand why
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Speaker 2: she's now ahead. Now they don't understand it because they
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Speaker 2: can't get past their own antipathy for Hansen. But unless
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Speaker 2: they do, and they do the rational analysis as needed,
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Speaker 2: they won't know why Labor voters are deserting them.
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Speaker 3: That's the pain.
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Speaker 2: Point for Labor that the woman who for thirty years
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Speaker 2: has been the great nemesis of the lift is now
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Speaker 2: beating them. One of the most villa five figures in
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Speaker 2: public life, mocked and berated, is now the one that
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Speaker 2: voters most want to see into the lodge.
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Speaker 3: Can you just.
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Speaker 2: Imagine all the heads that are exploding out there amongst
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Speaker 2: the activist class Hanson as PM, I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: triggering beyond belief. Never mind the fact that she's a
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Speaker 2: senator and unless she moves to the lower House, finds
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Speaker 2: a seat and wins it, well it's all a moot
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Speaker 2: point anyway. Now, Internally, I think the labor hard here
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Speaker 2: is starting to understand what the Prime Minister still refuses
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Speaker 2: to acknowledge that is a growing number of the labor vote,
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Speaker 2: particularly their old working class vote, is shifting across to
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Speaker 2: one nation. And the more that albineazy derides Hanson or
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Speaker 2: in sinu waits that this is all fake news, the
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Speaker 2: more he is hastening their departure. I mean, just listen
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Speaker 2: again to this comment last week, which I said at
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Speaker 2: the time was particularly stupid.
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Speaker 6: She says that she smashed him in the fundraising race,
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Speaker 6: so she raised.
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Speaker 3: More than a million bowlers?
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Speaker 1: She did she though, did she?
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Speaker 5: Whatever?
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Speaker 3: Dice?
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Speaker 2: He said, Well, that gas lighting was dumb because all
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Speaker 2: it did was boost the donation tally. As supporters said, well, okay, elbow,
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Speaker 2: we'll show you, and they did. When the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: intervened with that gas lighting jibe, the donation tally was
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Speaker 2: around one point five million. Well tonight, as I said,
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Speaker 2: it's a whopping one point one million, rather than kill
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Speaker 2: off momentum. That's sneer from the Prime minister. Well, he
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Speaker 2: just kicked it along. Albany's his problem is that his
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Speaker 2: personal antipathy or hatred towards Hansen obscures any cool headed
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Speaker 2: analysis about how he should deal with her and what
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Speaker 2: sort of action labor could and should take.
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Speaker 3: Hanson's got under.
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Speaker 2: Albanezy's skin, and it shows he's lad tis personal fire
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Speaker 2: and anger. Take the better of him, get the better
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Speaker 2: of him. And he's the one now with this low
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Speaker 2: trust value with voters. If he goes up against her,
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Speaker 2: he'll end up the loser. It's also worth noting that
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Speaker 2: this funding boost for one nation has come from ordinary battlers.
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Speaker 2: At last count, almost seventy thousand people putting their hand
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Speaker 2: into their own pocket in the middle of a cost
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Speaker 2: of living crisis to turf out the Prime minister. And
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Speaker 2: it's the PM here. This is personal. That tagline fire
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Speaker 2: the liar hits home and for a bloke with one
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Speaker 2: of the biggest glass jewels in politics, probably only embedded
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Speaker 2: by Kevin Rudd, Albert Eezy will be devastated by all
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Speaker 2: of this for one nation. Yes, the money, of course,
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Speaker 2: the money is important because political campaigning relies on dollars.
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Speaker 3: But it's more than that. By getting people.
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Speaker 2: To donate, anyone handing over cash now has brought a
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Speaker 2: stake in the success of one nation. This is now
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Speaker 2: personal to them, and to be honest, I think that's
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Speaker 2: worth almost as much as the money that's been raised,
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Speaker 2: because it creates on the ground advocates, It builds a
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Speaker 2: sense of fraternity of community, and of course it fuels momentum.
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Speaker 2: On Wednesday, for the first time in her entire political career,
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Speaker 2: Pullin Hanson will front the National Press Club to outline
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Speaker 2: her political vision and critically take questions from the Canberra
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Speaker 2: Press Gallery in the room. Now believe me, it'll be
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Speaker 2: standing room only. How she handles handles their questions will
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Speaker 2: be closely watched by people like me. Can she turn
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Speaker 2: this spike in the polls into more than just an
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Speaker 2: anti elbow vote? And to do that she doesn't just
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Speaker 2: have to shut down the professional hands and haters from
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Speaker 2: the press gallery. I think she'll do well enough in
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Speaker 2: that at the Q and a part of the day.
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Speaker 2: But I'll be looking at the speech component. What she
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Speaker 2: says in terms of policy in framework? Is it solid,
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Speaker 2: is it well thought through? Does it deal with the
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Speaker 2: issues and give solutions to the challenges facing Australia. Because
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Speaker 2: the real test for one nation is not just to
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Speaker 2: ventilate grievances. That's fine, they've been very effective at that,
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Speaker 2: But it's now to lift into another gear all together
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Speaker 2: and put solutions on the table. People forget that it
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Speaker 2: took Nigel Farage for almost thirty years in politics to
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Speaker 2: become an overnight success, first entering the European Parliament in
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine and moving through a whole series of
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Speaker 2: political resurrections in the time to now to get where
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Speaker 2: he is now. As almost everyone concedes the blow most
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Speaker 2: likely to be elected Prime Minister at the next British election,
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Speaker 2: Farage is about ten years younger than Hansen, but she
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Speaker 2: herself is eight years younger than Donald Trump, who today
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Speaker 2: is celebrated his eightieth birthday in Washington. So these days
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Speaker 2: anything is possible. Now, I am not yet convinced that
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Speaker 2: one nation's ready to be a party of government. I
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Speaker 2: want to see more meet on the policy bone, and
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Speaker 2: I want to see a bigger and more capable team
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Speaker 2: up to handling the big cabinet portfolios the government demands
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Speaker 2: before I will concede that. But there is no doubt
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Speaker 2: that they are right now the most effective party of opposition.
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Speaker 3: That's the truth.
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Speaker 2: As hard as it might be to hear. For some
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Speaker 2: in the coalition and to amplify that point, here's an
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Speaker 2: exclusive look for you tonight at this cracker of an
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Speaker 2: ad that's going to run throughout Wednesday Night's State of
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Speaker 2: Origin forty This is to a TV audience in the millions,
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Speaker 2: all funded. Let's not forget by the very donations that
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister tried to deny were real.
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Speaker 7: Always been a man of my word, or we have
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Speaker 7: no plans to change negative gearing, or we've changed our position.
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Speaker 8: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off the stage.
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Speaker 7: See reception was incredibly positive and not a single person
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Speaker 7: Heckle reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 6: That's a throughout life.
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Speaker 4: My word is my bond.
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Speaker 9: Authorized by p Henson for one nation.
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Speaker 3: Brisbane. Well, I'll we.
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Speaker 2: Watching Wednesday night to see if Albanezy even turns up
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Speaker 2: to that state of origin game. You and I know
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Speaker 2: he loves a freebie, but right now I suspect if
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Speaker 2: fears are booing crowd even more. Bring it on, right,
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Speaker 2: Let's get the headline out of Canberras Guardian's political reporter
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Speaker 2: Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 10: Paul when Hanson claims labor is running scared after a
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Speaker 10: shock new poll, the One Nation leader has overtaken Anthony
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Speaker 10: Alberanizi as Australian's preferred prime minister.
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Speaker 5: Labour are scared the Prime Minister has had a wake
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Speaker 5: up call.
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Speaker 10: The latest Resolved Political monitor also shows the coalition falling
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Speaker 10: to a record low primary vote.
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Speaker 9: I'm concerned about people all over this country who busts
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Speaker 9: their ass every single day to get ahead.
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Speaker 10: Paul when Hanson will address the National Press Club on Wednesday.
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Speaker 10: The federal government's proposed tax changes are under scrutiny at
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Speaker 10: a two day Senate inquiry. Small businesses are raising concerns
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Speaker 10: over capital gains reforms.
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Speaker 9: If we lose that ambition and aspiration, we lose Australia.
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Speaker 10: The committee's findings the due on Friday. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 10: is calling for durable and lasting peace between the United
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Speaker 10: States and Iran. A peace deal has been announced. It
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Speaker 10: will reopen the Strait of hor moves that.
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Speaker 7: Will be at a minimum many months before things return
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Speaker 7: to normal.
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Speaker 10: Anthony Albertezi says there's no decision yet on extending the
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Speaker 10: fuel ex size.
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Speaker 3: And now think I just said.
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Speaker 2: One point four million has been raised by the Father
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Speaker 2: Liar campaign.
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Speaker 3: If I did. I've got it wrong.
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Speaker 2: It's four point one million, so that's four times I
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Speaker 2: think what James Ashby thought would be raised by the
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Speaker 2: end of the financial year. And the money is still
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Speaker 2: coming in. So let's bring in my guests right now,
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Speaker 2: as he is here on a Monday every week, Sky's
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Speaker 2: political contributor, Chris Yelman. Chris will start with that poll.
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Speaker 2: I just went through it at the top of the show.
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Speaker 2: This is in the nine Papers.
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Speaker 3: The Resolve poll.
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Speaker 2: Labor behind One Nation on primary and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: now behind Pauline Hansen as preferred PM, and it's by
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Speaker 2: a decent margin two So there's a spin here that
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Speaker 2: this momentum for one nation's not real, it's dissipating, it's
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Speaker 2: a grievance vote. We've had what a couple of months
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Speaker 2: of this trend. Now it's not going anywhere other than up.
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Speaker 6: Well, Peter, in our lifetime, we've never seen anything like
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Speaker 6: it by So when you look at third parties in Australia,
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Speaker 6: usually they are a party that garners some percentage of
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Speaker 6: the vote. The DLP managed to keep the Labor Party
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Speaker 6: out of office, or help keep them out for twenty
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Speaker 6: three years, but by taking a slither of their vote.
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Speaker 6: We've seen the Democrats, we've seen the Greens. Usually a
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Speaker 6: political party like One Nation polls in somewhere around about
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Speaker 6: ten percent or under. This is complete being new for us.
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Speaker 6: We've never seen anything like this before. And the idea
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Speaker 6: that One Nation is essentially the facto opposition at the moment,
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Speaker 6: let's face it, that's the way Paul Enhanson is being treated.
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Speaker 6: She's getting more coverage now than Angus Taylor is. He's
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Speaker 6: struggling for oxygen. And the Prime Minister is essentially treating
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Speaker 6: One Nation as the de facto opposition because that seems
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Speaker 6: to be the thing he's thinking about most. That we
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Speaker 6: are now uncharted waters. And obviously it's a threat to
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Speaker 6: the Labor Party and suve its seats, but it's an
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Speaker 6: existential threat to the Liberal Party if the Liberal Party
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Speaker 6: faces the very real possibility that it will be consigned
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Speaker 6: to the history books.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's less now almost, Chris, isn't it between left
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Speaker 2: and right to where you are in the food chain
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Speaker 2: in terms of your power, your income, the ability you
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Speaker 2: have to voice your concerns and get hurt. It feels
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Speaker 2: like if you're an elite, if you're signing out to
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Speaker 2: the things that mainstream media is talking about. If you're
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Speaker 2: doing the head and onto the three flags, you love,
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Speaker 2: your welcomes to country, You've got money in your pocket.
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Speaker 2: You're a little bit insulated from things like immigration.
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Speaker 3: Let's say you're in.
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Speaker 2: One cam, whether you're on the right, like the teal types,
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Speaker 2: or whether you're on the left, like you know, the
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Speaker 2: labor green.
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Speaker 3: Inner city left.
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Speaker 2: And if you're on the other side, whether you're in
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Speaker 2: the regions, whether you're in the outer suburbs where you're
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Speaker 2: the old labor working class, those left right paradigms don't
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Speaker 2: work anymore. It goes to issues of power and income.
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Speaker 2: That's really dividing the two camps.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we can try and find lots of
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Speaker 6: different ways of looking at it, but I'd put it
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Speaker 6: this way, the insiders and the outsiders. It's those people
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Speaker 6: who believe that they are being looked after by this
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Speaker 6: government and those that think that they aren't and they
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Speaker 6: aren't being looked after by both major parties, and that's
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Speaker 6: the rage. That's where the rage comes from. They believe
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Speaker 6: that the system as it's constructed essentially works against them,
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Speaker 6: and they measure that by the fact that their lives
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Speaker 6: are becoming harder. It's becoming more and more difficult for
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Speaker 6: them to live the kinds of lives that they want
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Speaker 6: to live and to believe the promise of Australia, which
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Speaker 6: is that your children will be better off than you are.
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Speaker 6: And when you get to the stage where you think
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Speaker 6: you've been betrayed essentially by both major parties, you start
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Speaker 6: looking for alternatives, and it just so happens that there
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Speaker 6: is one now on offer where people think, look, you know,
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Speaker 6: whatever you think of Paul Enhanced, and people think they
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Speaker 6: have a clear idea of what she stands for. Now,
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Speaker 6: you and I both know that's actually pretty badly defined.
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Speaker 6: We do need to see a whole lot more from
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Speaker 6: one nation before we would consider them to be a
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Speaker 6: party of government, and that means putting some answers to
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Speaker 6: the questions which they so quite rightly raised. But at
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Speaker 6: the moment, I think that people, a lot of people
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Speaker 6: are prepared just to burn the show down and see
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Speaker 6: what happens next.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think, you know, after years and years
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Speaker 2: of poly speak, and I want to say it's probably
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Speaker 2: twenty years of poly speak, they love her authenticity. They
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Speaker 2: love that you know, she isn't scripted. She sort of
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Speaker 2: says what they're thinking that perhaps they can't even say
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Speaker 2: in their own home anymore.
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Speaker 3: If their mates around.
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Speaker 2: For a barbecue, they think twice about raising their real
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Speaker 2: views or how they feel about some of these issues.
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Speaker 3: She doesn't. She's out there.
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Speaker 2: We saw a take on that journalist the other day
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Speaker 2: who had a crack at her flying business class, and
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Speaker 2: she ripped one back into the journalist. And even in
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Speaker 2: socialist Victoria, she's on a twenty nine percent polling primary
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Speaker 2: today and Labour's on twenty four percent. And yes, this
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Speaker 2: is with a federal overlay, but who would have thought
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Speaker 2: that one nation would be ahead in the polls in
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Speaker 2: this state, which faces, of course a big election in November.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that will be one of the real tests,
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Speaker 6: won't it. And if all that happens is that the
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Speaker 6: right hand side of politics essentially is divided and Labor
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Speaker 6: is re elected, then I don't think that's going to
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Speaker 6: suit anyone in Victoria, because I think that the people
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Speaker 6: of Victoria really would like an alternative. And the problem
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Speaker 6: is that for way too long the coalition offered them
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Speaker 6: none except constant distractions and division, and people want one
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Speaker 6: of two things out of a political party, either competence
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Speaker 6: or conviction, and they got neither of those things out
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Speaker 6: of the coalition, so they went looking elsewhere. And even
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Speaker 6: if they don't see competence in one nation, they see
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Speaker 6: a sense of conviction and enduring sense of conviction and resilience,
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Speaker 6: and that's what they're responding to as they go about
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Speaker 6: the business of taking a hammer to the political system
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Speaker 6: as usual. I think it's way bigger than just the
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Speaker 6: political class. By the way, too, I think there's an
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Speaker 6: entire class of people of people in Australia feel have
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Speaker 6: nothing in common with them at all. So you can
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Speaker 6: take it from the corporate sector of Australia, which is
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Speaker 6: completely buried in its own sense of entitlement, the fact
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Speaker 6: that the financial crisis out of that, you know, there
17:12
Speaker 6: should have been some punishment mate about nothing ever happened
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Speaker 6: to them. The institutional class that includes the bureaucrats and
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Speaker 6: the courts, by the way, that people feel less and
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Speaker 6: less connected to a system that has anything to do
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Speaker 6: with what matters to them.
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Speaker 2: Well at in schools and in universities. I think it's
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Speaker 2: the whole box and dice. Even when they pay so
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Speaker 2: much in their taxes, but they've got to pay for
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Speaker 2: their ros. I think right across the border Australians have
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Speaker 2: had enough you mentioned. Obviously there's been collateral damage, I
17:42
Speaker 2: guess over the last few years on both sides, particularly
17:45
Speaker 2: obviously the Conservative side. We saw on the weekend the
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Speaker 2: announced resignation of Senator Jonathan Dunham. Now I've known im
17:53
Speaker 2: for twenty five and more thirty years a long time
17:55
Speaker 2: staff obviously, then into the Parliament as a senator, and
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Speaker 2: I think he's been one of the most effective they've
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Speaker 2: had on the front bench. He's the shadow Home Affairs Minister.
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Speaker 2: He won't recontest the Senate seat and nor will he
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Speaker 2: stay on beyond the end of the year. And I
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Speaker 2: think this is tough for Angus Taylor because I think
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Speaker 2: he's one of the best he has.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, what does it say though?
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Speaker 10: By Peter.
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Speaker 6: I can't claim to know the man well, but he
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Speaker 6: clearly is one of the brighter lights in the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 6: And when he says in the age he's in his forties, right,
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Speaker 6: when he says he's exhausted by the political process, but
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Speaker 6: particularly the political process inside his own party, well, when
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Speaker 6: your best and Brighters are simply being worn out by
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Speaker 6: the internal politics of their own party. What does he
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Speaker 6: tell you about that party and the people. I really
18:39
Speaker 6: start to worry about now is you know, what are
18:41
Speaker 6: we thinking about? Andrew hast to you, who is a
18:44
Speaker 6: likely future leader. Surely as a young man, he must
18:46
Speaker 6: be looking around and thinking, you know, really, there's I'm
18:48
Speaker 6: on a hiding to nothing here. I'll be trying to
18:51
Speaker 6: I'll be fighting for my own seat. I've got a
18:52
Speaker 6: young family, They've got a troop across the country. For
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Speaker 6: what my fear is that the Liberal Party is already
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Speaker 6: guarded that they don't have the personelitymore to mount the
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Speaker 6: kind of comeback they need. And if they're losing people
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Speaker 6: like this, it looks like people are abandoning ship well
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Speaker 6: before the next election, which means they have no confidence
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Speaker 6: in the capacity of the Liberal Party to revive. That
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Speaker 6: is a terrible sentiment.
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Speaker 2: I think it's politics across the board, Christim, I'm really honest.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a very different place than it was
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Speaker 2: when I first went in as a star for a
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Speaker 2: ninety eight and when I left in twenty fifteen, obviously
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Speaker 2: under different circumstances than Jonathan Dunney, and but it is
19:35
Speaker 2: so much faster. I think twenty four hour news cycles.
19:38
Speaker 2: I think particularly social media. I think all the internal
19:41
Speaker 2: factionalism that was not there when I first arrived in
19:44
Speaker 2: a way it was when I left politics.
19:47
Speaker 3: I think all of that takes a toll.
19:49
Speaker 2: And you know, he's a twenty five years of it
19:51
Speaker 2: because being a senior staffer, you're running at that same
19:54
Speaker 2: sort of pace. And if you've got young kids, you're right,
19:57
Speaker 2: you think another two, well maybe three years of opposition
20:00
Speaker 2: for what you know, for what I can fight and
20:03
Speaker 2: fight and fight, but there's a point you pass where
20:06
Speaker 2: you can't go off back outside of politics and start
20:10
Speaker 2: another career. And I think that's the tipping point for
20:12
Speaker 2: John O.
20:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
20:13
Speaker 6: The thing with public life nowadays is there is no
20:16
Speaker 6: compromise in it. There is no compassion in it. People
20:20
Speaker 6: do not get treated as human beings. And so if
20:22
Speaker 6: you're constantly, relentlessly involved in what is an emotionally draining fight,
20:27
Speaker 6: then one day you're going to run out of puff.
20:29
Speaker 6: And if you don't think at the end of it
20:30
Speaker 6: there's any kind of reward, ie that one day I
20:33
Speaker 6: might be a minister in a government, I have the
20:35
Speaker 6: possibility of making some difference and doing something that's worthwhile. Well,
20:39
Speaker 6: why wouldn't you go and spend more time with your family?
20:41
Speaker 6: I know which I would rather preferm Why would you
20:43
Speaker 6: encourage any young people to join you? I mean one
20:46
Speaker 6: of the things though, that it is interesting about one nation.
20:48
Speaker 6: It actually has within it a sense of optimism and hope.
20:53
Speaker 6: Believe it or not, some one of the missing ingredients
20:55
Speaker 6: in politics nowadays is they have no sense of humor. Well,
20:58
Speaker 6: one nation actually does have a sense of humor, and
21:01
Speaker 6: it's also bringing a sense of optimism and hope to
21:03
Speaker 6: people that things might be a little different on the
21:06
Speaker 6: other side. Now, whether or not it can deliver any
21:08
Speaker 6: of those things is another question. But one of the
21:11
Speaker 6: reasons I reckon it's got momentum is because it's brought
21:13
Speaker 6: a sense of excitement back into politics that things could
21:17
Speaker 6: actually change. Now they might not, but if people believe
21:20
Speaker 6: they could, then it's going to be more than just
21:23
Speaker 6: a one year or two year wonder.
21:26
Speaker 2: Okay, Wednesday Lunch China Press Club speech. I reckon every
21:31
Speaker 2: political ible and the country is going to be watching.
21:33
Speaker 6: That absolutely.
21:36
Speaker 3: All right, We'll leave it there. Thank you.
21:37
Speaker 2: Chris Human right. You recall that story I bought you
21:40
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. This is very interesting. It
21:43
Speaker 2: was about effectively, what's a ghost fire station and just
21:47
Speaker 2: center Allan's own East Bend and Go electorate. Now, yes
21:51
Speaker 2: it's her seat, Yes it is her seat. But local
21:54
Speaker 2: firefighters were at their wits end because they were unable
21:58
Speaker 2: to speak to anyone in her own about getting this
22:02
Speaker 2: brand new facility open. It had sat there now for
22:05
Speaker 2: about four or five years, and she would not even
22:08
Speaker 2: return an email, let alone have a meeting with a
22:11
Speaker 2: firefighters union.
22:12
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
22:13
Speaker 11: I've been in the job ten years now, yeah, and
22:17
Speaker 11: I've been the union delegate for Bendigo for two years now.
22:21
Speaker 11: Within that time, I've emailed her probably fifteen to twenty
22:24
Speaker 11: times highlighting the issues that we're experiencing in Bendigo and
22:28
Speaker 11: around the state. And yeah, she's never replied to an email.
22:33
Speaker 2: So you've got an empty shed, you've got genuine funding concerns,
22:38
Speaker 2: and the one person in the state who can fix
22:40
Speaker 2: it is not even happy to meet with you or
22:43
Speaker 2: respond to your emails.
22:44
Speaker 11: Yep. And as a side note to that, I've also
22:48
Speaker 11: been emailing the emergency services ministers, so Vicky Warden previous
22:52
Speaker 11: to her Jacqueline signs, and they have not replied to
22:56
Speaker 11: emails either. In fact, both of those have never visited
22:59
Speaker 11: an fr site in their time as emergency Service as ministers,
23:02
Speaker 11: even though that we're within their portfolio.
23:06
Speaker 2: Okay, that shared being built was a recommendation of the
23:09
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen Black Saturday Royal Commission, and it was built
23:14
Speaker 2: so that the other station in the center of town
23:17
Speaker 2: could be relocated out there and it completely be rebuilt.
23:21
Speaker 2: So the shed was built three and a half four
23:23
Speaker 2: million dollars and there was about twelve million that was
23:25
Speaker 2: meant to be spent on the facility in town. Well,
23:29
Speaker 2: nothing's happened, right, Nothing's happened until late on Friday afternoon
23:34
Speaker 2: when the premiere puts out a press release we call
23:37
Speaker 2: it putting out the trash on Friday. We picked it
23:40
Speaker 2: up here on Sky News. We picked it up and
23:42
Speaker 2: it's a really big win for the local Bennigo community,
23:46
Speaker 2: but also for this bloke who's going to join me now,
23:48
Speaker 2: United Firefighters Union delegate Simon Thomas. Well, Simon, great to
23:52
Speaker 2: have you on the program. Yes, it's a win for
23:55
Speaker 2: the union and the community.
23:56
Speaker 3: Bye.
23:56
Speaker 1: By God.
23:57
Speaker 3: It's a big win for you. You must be pleased.
24:00
Speaker 2: Finally, at least it looks like there might be some
24:03
Speaker 2: movement here.
24:05
Speaker 11: Yeah, hopefully, Peter. Has been a long time coming, and
24:09
Speaker 11: it's always a good boost to the fires here when
24:13
Speaker 11: we actually do hear something. So this has been the
24:16
Speaker 11: first major update that we've received in a while.
24:20
Speaker 2: So what we saw announced on Friday was that the
24:23
Speaker 2: government will spend some money getting that empty shared ready
24:26
Speaker 2: so operationally you and your other crew can move out
24:30
Speaker 2: there and work from there. Of course, then there's a
24:33
Speaker 2: question of what happens in the Bendigo CBD station that.
24:37
Speaker 3: You are in now.
24:39
Speaker 2: That is many, many millions of dollars to rebuild, as
24:42
Speaker 2: it needs to be rebuilt. What do we know about
24:45
Speaker 2: that funding.
24:49
Speaker 11: I can't really answer that question, sorry, Peter. The funding
24:55
Speaker 11: has always been promised to us, and obviously costs have
24:59
Speaker 11: gone up massively since the rebuild was announced, especially with
25:05
Speaker 11: the increases with building materials and labor over COVID. So
25:11
Speaker 11: hopefully the government can find money from somewhere, but you know,
25:15
Speaker 11: we'd hate to be stealing money from say another station
25:18
Speaker 11: rebuild or something like that too.
25:22
Speaker 2: And when they originally put the money in for the
25:24
Speaker 2: Bendigo CBD rebuild. Remind me how much were we talking
25:27
Speaker 2: about there?
25:29
Speaker 11: It was twelve million for the rebuild yep, and.
25:34
Speaker 2: That money's long gone because we're outside the forward estimates now.
25:37
Speaker 3: That was well and truly four plus years ago.
25:41
Speaker 2: Do you think perhaps have been an election campaign year
25:44
Speaker 2: and this being the Premier zone seat that you might
25:47
Speaker 2: see and it won't be twelve million and it'll probably
25:49
Speaker 2: be twenty five million that money put on the table.
25:55
Speaker 11: Yeah, Well, there are plans for the station rebuild, so
26:00
Speaker 11: they would have some estimate as to what that would cost.
26:03
Speaker 11: I haven't heard any of those fingers being bandied around,
26:06
Speaker 11: but hopefully they put up that money because, as you
26:12
Speaker 11: know from coming here the other week, Peter, that's well
26:15
Speaker 11: and truly needed for the fire is of Bendigo and
26:18
Speaker 11: the community.
26:20
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:21
Speaker 2: Remind my view assignment of what your current CBD stations like,
26:26
Speaker 2: how badly it needs to be rebuilt.
26:29
Speaker 8: Yeah.
26:30
Speaker 11: So the station was built in the mid eighties for
26:34
Speaker 11: five firefighters per shift, and that also had the district
26:38
Speaker 11: CFA office upstairs, so there was admin staff and everyone
26:43
Speaker 11: upstairs and then the five fire fighters downstairs. Since then,
26:46
Speaker 11: we've grown to twelve per shift, with no real major
26:52
Speaker 11: refurbishments other than splitting rooms in half. The kitchen is
26:56
Speaker 11: still the same size, so we've got twelve people crammed
26:58
Speaker 11: into a kitchen that was originally built for five. It's
27:02
Speaker 11: got a three bay motor Room's where we park our trucks.
27:06
Speaker 11: We have five appliances that we responding, so there's two
27:10
Speaker 11: parks knows the tail and there's one parked out the back.
27:13
Speaker 11: Our personal protective clothing is split across five different rooms,
27:19
Speaker 11: as well as a temporary at co hut that we
27:21
Speaker 11: rent from Codes Higher. So it's just it's a bit
27:24
Speaker 11: of a debacle and a bit of a rabbit warren too.
27:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, you know you've got to wonder where the
27:32
Speaker 2: one point six billion dollars it's raised every year from
27:35
Speaker 2: this emergency levy that the government likes to say is
27:38
Speaker 2: completely directed to firefighting, where that money goes, because that
27:42
Speaker 2: is not what we would expect given how much money
27:45
Speaker 2: people are paying, and of course that there was a
27:47
Speaker 2: huge protest about the size of that controversial levy yesterday
27:52
Speaker 2: in Bennigot. Here's a little bit of what people who
27:55
Speaker 2: were there had to say.
27:58
Speaker 3: It's just gone up and up and up, and it's
28:00
Speaker 3: another impulse on us.
28:01
Speaker 11: And where's the money going to.
28:03
Speaker 6: It's not going to ask I think somehow it's going
28:05
Speaker 6: back in the government coffere somewhere.
28:07
Speaker 12: Significant cost of living is high and it's it's difficult
28:11
Speaker 12: for families everywhere, but for farmers in particular.
28:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, that life farming group there, the mum and the
28:18
Speaker 2: dad and the kids, simon. They are farmers.
28:21
Speaker 3: They have to protect their own.
28:23
Speaker 2: Land, they have to fight fires, but they also pay
28:25
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars every year in this fire levy tax.
28:30
Speaker 2: You can see why people are so disappointed and angry,
28:33
Speaker 2: can't you.
28:35
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, it's pretty absurd. These are the people that
28:38
Speaker 11: keep Victoria running. I think sometimes people forget where their
28:40
Speaker 11: food comes from. And when you've got on top of
28:45
Speaker 11: burdens of drought and finding feed for your cattle and
28:48
Speaker 11: all that, you've got to then fork out twenty thirty
28:51
Speaker 11: thousand dollars to fund the fire service that you volunteer
28:57
Speaker 11: for as well. It's a bit of a kick and
28:59
Speaker 11: the guts for those people that regularly jump on those tankers.
29:04
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you had a beer in celebration on
29:06
Speaker 2: Friday night. I know there's a long fight ahead for
29:08
Speaker 2: the firefighters Union, but you should be justly proud of
29:13
Speaker 2: what you're able to pull off and at least get
29:15
Speaker 2: that reconsideration that you did for Bendigo. So thank you, Simon,
29:19
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. All right, coming up the deal
29:24
Speaker 2: with Iran, the President says, it's done. Well, what's the
29:28
Speaker 2: detail and what does it mean for Iran's nuclear ambitions?
29:32
Speaker 2: After all that was the whole point of it. Or
29:34
Speaker 2: what's the upshot?
29:36
Speaker 3: Coming up?
29:42
Speaker 2: Welco about coming up the renewable energy map. It will
29:44
Speaker 2: show you just how much of our country's prime agricultural
29:48
Speaker 2: land that Chris Bowen is sacrificing into wind turbines and
29:52
Speaker 2: solar panels and battery farms. As more and more regional
29:55
Speaker 2: communities across the country fight back. But first in the
30:00
Speaker 2: longer sign yet that we might see an end to
30:02
Speaker 2: the Iranian war, Donald Trump posted earlier this morning this
30:06
Speaker 2: message that a deal is now complete and that the
30:09
Speaker 2: Strait of Hormus will immediately open. In a war that
30:13
Speaker 2: seemingly has had so many endpoints, the question is, well,
30:16
Speaker 2: what does this end or this deal look like?
30:19
Speaker 3: What's in it?
30:20
Speaker 2: Particularly when it comes to Iran's nuclear ambitions. Now on
30:23
Speaker 2: this point, the Vice President was on Fox News a
30:27
Speaker 2: little earlier.
30:28
Speaker 8: We are now at a place here where we can
30:30
Speaker 8: stay with confidence they're not going to get a nuclear weapon,
30:32
Speaker 8: and again if they comply with the broader elements the deal.
30:36
Speaker 8: What the President has done is created the real space
30:40
Speaker 8: to transform that region, cooperation between the Golf Arab allies
30:44
Speaker 8: and the Israelis and now hopefully a new era with
30:48
Speaker 8: the Iranians joining.
30:50
Speaker 2: Me now the director it's at Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Schuebreach.
30:56
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. Great to have you on the show.
30:58
Speaker 2: We expect there'll be an MRU on Friday, and Switzerland
31:01
Speaker 2: are presuming're going to get a bit more detailed then.
31:05
Speaker 2: But on face value, you listen to JD Advance just
31:08
Speaker 2: there and he says, you know, basically there'll be no
31:12
Speaker 2: way that they can get their hands on a nuclear weapon. Well,
31:16
Speaker 2: how confident are you that everything we went into or
31:20
Speaker 2: they went into Iran to achieve in relation to nuclear
31:24
Speaker 2: ambitions being killed off are actually material?
31:30
Speaker 7: Peter, I'm not at all confident. I think this memorandum
31:34
Speaker 7: that they're going to sign on Friday, and which we'll
31:37
Speaker 7: go and to effect then is just a very basic
31:41
Speaker 7: agreement to open the Strait of Homers and end the
31:44
Speaker 7: blockade on Iranian shipping, and it pushes all the hard
31:48
Speaker 7: issues the nuclear program around support, the proxies, even the
31:54
Speaker 7: future of the war in Lebanon down the road for
31:57
Speaker 7: further negotiations.
32:00
Speaker 2: Okay, So if this wasn't an election year, right, if
32:04
Speaker 2: we weren't looking at midterms towards the end of the
32:08
Speaker 2: year in November, do you think we'd have the president
32:11
Speaker 2: so willing to do a deal, a deal that may
32:13
Speaker 2: not even bew worth what it's written on.
32:18
Speaker 7: Probably not. And I think we've had the sort of
32:21
Speaker 7: trailing of what's in this deal for a few weeks now,
32:25
Speaker 7: and the basic problem that President Trump has is it's
32:29
Speaker 7: a pretty unpalatable outcome. So he's been under a lot
32:33
Speaker 7: of domestic pressure and the Israelis are obviously very unhappy
32:37
Speaker 7: with this because it looks like Iran will be back
32:41
Speaker 7: where it was at the start of the war, with
32:44
Speaker 7: new leadership and maybe even sanctions relief and money flowing
32:49
Speaker 7: out of the Gulf States.
32:52
Speaker 2: Okay, so, if we've partially got rid of the theocracy,
32:56
Speaker 2: fear and there's been a lot of the leaders of
33:00
Speaker 2: Zibella and the Iranian regime have been removed, but we've
33:04
Speaker 2: got the Guard really back in effective control. You're right,
33:07
Speaker 2: we haven't had regime change. I'm disappointed. I really wanted
33:13
Speaker 2: the Americans to finish the job. But I'm also pretty
33:16
Speaker 2: mindful that they were in it with the Israelis on
33:19
Speaker 2: their lonesome.
33:21
Speaker 3: That the rest of the West, which we all.
33:23
Speaker 2: Rely on, a Iran that's had its clause taken out
33:29
Speaker 2: in a nuclear sense, we all want that outcome, but
33:32
Speaker 2: none of us, Australia, you know, the United Kingdom, France, Spain,
33:36
Speaker 2: and everybody else, we weren't prepared to put any effort in.
33:39
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's hard to be critical of the
33:41
Speaker 2: United States when they were the only ones with the
33:43
Speaker 2: Israelis prepared to have a go.
33:47
Speaker 7: Well, that's true, but look at it this other way.
33:50
Speaker 7: When America has gone to war before, including in the
33:53
Speaker 7: Middle East, it's done the hard work to bring its
33:56
Speaker 7: allies and partners along. It failed to do that this time,
34:00
Speaker 7: and then somehow seemed surprised that everybody didn't go to
34:04
Speaker 7: the party.
34:04
Speaker 3: They hadn't been invited to.
34:06
Speaker 7: So maybe there needs to be a reset in the
34:10
Speaker 7: Trump administration around its approach to its partners in allies.
34:14
Speaker 7: That seems to me.
34:15
Speaker 3: To be part of it.
34:16
Speaker 7: And the real risk here is Israel ends up more
34:19
Speaker 7: isolated in the region while Iran can rebuild.
34:25
Speaker 2: I hear you on the telegraphing of the war and
34:28
Speaker 2: why they needed to go in that needed to be better.
34:31
Speaker 2: I think that's probably more a point, Michael. In relation
34:33
Speaker 2: to the domestic audience for the president. I think Americans
34:36
Speaker 2: understood necessarily why they're in there. But let's not be
34:41
Speaker 2: too kind to the allies around the world. We've been
34:44
Speaker 2: talking about Iran for fifteen years. We all know what's
34:48
Speaker 2: at stake. We all know how mad they are, we
34:51
Speaker 2: all know how how developed in advanced their nuclear capabilities
34:54
Speaker 2: have been. At some time, what did everybody else want,
34:58
Speaker 2: you know, an invitation the silver platter? We all should
35:01
Speaker 2: have been ready to sit down.
35:02
Speaker 3: Okay.
35:03
Speaker 2: I think in part, Michael, there's an antipathy towards Donald
35:07
Speaker 2: Trump that's kept players like Australia and France and Starmer
35:11
Speaker 2: at bay. And I think we've all got to get
35:13
Speaker 2: over ourselves. Really, if we don't like Donald Trump, fine,
35:16
Speaker 2: but is the cause the right cause, and I think
35:19
Speaker 2: in relation to Iran, absolutely.
35:24
Speaker 3: It may be.
35:25
Speaker 7: But was the plan a good plan. The blindness to
35:30
Speaker 7: missile and drone capabilities and the ability to withstand attacks
35:35
Speaker 7: and still launch that was a clear failing point, fair
35:39
Speaker 7: point count a drone defense failure, no plan to keep
35:44
Speaker 7: the straight of hormers open. So there were some big
35:47
Speaker 7: own goals here. I think there's a lot to.
35:50
Speaker 3: Learn out of this.
35:52
Speaker 7: But you're right. I mean, America's allies and partners are
35:55
Speaker 7: weak and we're not doing what we need to make
35:58
Speaker 7: ourselves stronger. That's a an even bigger problem than anything
36:01
Speaker 7: that's happened in the Middle East.
36:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the crux of it.
36:06
Speaker 2: Right, So they go in, Okay, it's not perfect, but
36:10
Speaker 2: it should have brought all the allies to the table
36:13
Speaker 2: to say, okay, mate, not ideal. You've gone in sort
36:16
Speaker 2: of half cocked, but it's an important cause. Let's rally
36:20
Speaker 2: around you and put all of our effort and all
36:23
Speaker 2: of our intelligence on the table and all of our
36:25
Speaker 2: assets on the table.
36:27
Speaker 3: We ran a mile Starman was very very negative.
36:30
Speaker 2: As you know, the Spaniards wouldn't allow them any airspace
36:33
Speaker 2: or landing capability. And put the French with a French right,
36:37
Speaker 2: So surrender monkeys, Macron. They're all as they normally are.
36:41
Speaker 2: And we know that this is a huge issue because
36:43
Speaker 2: we've had over the weekend the resignation of the Defense
36:46
Speaker 2: Secretary right right on that military parade for the King's
36:50
Speaker 2: birthday on the weekend.
36:52
Speaker 3: Well he's gone.
36:53
Speaker 2: He also took with him his Armed Forces junior minister
36:58
Speaker 2: and they are basically saying we haven't got the money
37:01
Speaker 2: in the UK that we should have dedicated to defense,
37:04
Speaker 2: we haven't got the strategy we need. And of course
37:07
Speaker 2: the big problem for Australia is he was a big
37:10
Speaker 2: supporter of ORCUS.
37:11
Speaker 3: So what's the fall out of UCUS.
37:15
Speaker 7: Yes, spot on. John Healy said something in Singapore just
37:19
Speaker 7: a few weeks ago. He said on ORCUS, we've talked
37:23
Speaker 7: too much and done too little and under these three
37:26
Speaker 7: governments that's changing. Well two weeks on he resigned because
37:31
Speaker 7: that wasn't changing. Starmer is doing what Albaneze's doing here,
37:36
Speaker 7: which is talking a big game and not funding our
37:40
Speaker 7: defense as we need to, and that is going to
37:43
Speaker 7: cause more problems in UCUS and with our American ally.
37:47
Speaker 11: There is no doubt about that.
37:51
Speaker 2: I guess what worries me the most here, Michael, is
37:54
Speaker 2: we all can agree that Iran is an enemy of peace,
37:58
Speaker 2: particularly to those in the West, and it is a
38:00
Speaker 2: sponsor of the terrorism that leaves its shores and finds
38:05
Speaker 2: its way to the underground rail stations of London, that
38:10
Speaker 2: finds its way to fire bombings in Australia. So we
38:12
Speaker 2: all agree that, But we are too precious now, We're
38:16
Speaker 2: letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. About
38:19
Speaker 2: how sometimes we're dealing with us. We're finding reasons in
38:22
Speaker 2: the West to not do things as opposed to do them.
38:26
Speaker 2: So China's watching this all the time, as you know, Michael,
38:29
Speaker 2: China are observing all of this, and they are ramping
38:32
Speaker 2: up in a nuclear sense in terms of submarines like
38:35
Speaker 2: never before. And I bet you that's going to happen.
38:38
Speaker 2: They'll move on Taiwan and then we'll find all these
38:41
Speaker 2: reasons yet again while we should all turn a blind eye.
38:45
Speaker 7: Yes, well, because of Australia's lack of urgency and action
38:49
Speaker 7: on Orchest, so we won't have built our Orchest submarine
38:52
Speaker 7: shipyard until twenty forty, and the UK falling way behind
38:57
Speaker 7: on their own submarine industry and the broader military. We
39:02
Speaker 7: are using words as our defense while China is actually
39:06
Speaker 7: producing military power. They've now got three nuclear submarine shipyards.
39:11
Speaker 7: They doubled the capacity of their main one just last year.
39:15
Speaker 7: So Orcus is getting overtaken by events while we hear
39:19
Speaker 7: words from our government and resignations out of the UK.
39:25
Speaker 2: It's a shocking state of affairs. Michael Sibrish, thank you. Right,
39:28
Speaker 2: let's go to the break. After the break, we have
39:30
Speaker 2: a farmer coming on the show who's going to tell
39:33
Speaker 2: you exactly what's going on in terms of the renewable projects.
39:37
Speaker 2: This is Victoria and New South Wales that are about
39:40
Speaker 2: to rip across our best farmland. Right the debate over
39:49
Speaker 2: shark culls. They're fined up on the weekend of course,
39:52
Speaker 2: after a young Sydney woman was attacked and fighting for
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Speaker 2: her life and come back to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But now to that backlash from farmers. This is a
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Speaker 2: cross the Eastern Seaboard over the framework for these renewable
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Speaker 2: energy zones down in this case, we're talking about Victoria
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Speaker 2: and revelations that there's an astonishing seventy seven projects out
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Speaker 2: of one hundred and eleven that could proceed outside where
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Speaker 2: they're supposed to be in these newly declared zones. Rural
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Speaker 2: land holders argue the planning system has allowed wind, solar
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Speaker 2: and battery projects to advance without proper community consultation and
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Speaker 2: before clear rules were established. Marcia mcintires a Victorian farmer
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Speaker 2: who's lobbying against the expansion of these projects, and she's
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Speaker 2: got significant concerns about the impact they will have on
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Speaker 2: generational farmland. Marsier joins me. Now, well, Marcia, thank you
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Speaker 2: for your time. We've got a map that will go
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Speaker 2: up on the screen and.
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Speaker 3: People can see this.
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Speaker 2: But we've got seventy seven of these projects that are
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Speaker 2: outside where these renewable projects should be. We've got these
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Speaker 2: three declared zones. People can see them there on the screen.
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Speaker 2: They are the blue lined areas. These projects are supposed
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Speaker 2: to be inside the blue lines where it is pink
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Speaker 2: is where they're going to be.
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Speaker 3: Anyone that people are angry.
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Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much, Peter for having me on
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Speaker 5: and for giving this the mere time, because to be honest,
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Speaker 5: it's quite hard to get something I suppose as serious
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Speaker 5: to those that it impacts the time that it deserves.
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Speaker 5: So yes, I've been unfortunate as to have been placed
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Speaker 5: in the redualleedergy zone. The one we've got up on
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Speaker 5: the screen there and the blue line is the proposed
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Speaker 5: well is the has been declared the renewal ble Energy Zone.
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Speaker 5: The pink, however, is actually the opposition. That is land
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Speaker 5: owners that have got together and they've mapped their land
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Speaker 5: and they're saying very clearly that we do not want
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Speaker 5: to be in a renewable energy zone and we will
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Speaker 5: not host any renewable energy infrastructure. So no turbines, no batteries,
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Speaker 5: no solar, no substations, no transmission. This is what the
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Speaker 5: pink is actually saying. And so you can see very
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Speaker 5: clearly this is the eastern section of the Western RES,
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Speaker 5: and you can see very clearly that nearly ninety percent
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Speaker 5: of land owners there have actually of land owners have
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Speaker 5: actually said that they will not participate in the RES
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Speaker 5: or build any renewable energy infrastructure. So I guess in
42:21
Speaker 5: regards to their being projects outside the REDS, it's hardly surprising,
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Speaker 5: is it. Like they're never going to get them into
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Speaker 5: the RES. And they've actually declared zones that communities have
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Speaker 5: already told them. And I must say over a couple
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Speaker 5: of years, we've been consistently telling them through all of
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Speaker 5: their community consultation sessions that that is not going to happen.
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Speaker 3: That people do not want this.
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Speaker 5: They do not want the industrialization of their their farmland
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Speaker 5: of their and it's kind of like they have circled
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Speaker 5: some of the best farmland you know in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: So it's it's a very it's.
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Speaker 5: I suppose in terms of them having, you know, renewable
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Speaker 5: energy projects outside of these zones, it's hardly surprising. I
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Speaker 5: would say the entire process is shambolic. They can change
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Speaker 5: the lines of these reds at any time. I suppose
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Speaker 5: from our experience of dealing directly with VICRID and the
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Speaker 5: way they've consulted with the community, you would have to
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Speaker 5: say that they don't know how to consult. Their consultation
43:21
Speaker 5: is telling us how it is, and it doesn't matter
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Speaker 5: what you say or do in return, because the amount
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Speaker 5: of effort that our community put in to avoid being
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Speaker 5: Intervenwblendage Zone was extreme, as you can see by the
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Speaker 5: mapping that eventually was done.
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Speaker 2: All right, we're just getting close to the end of
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Speaker 2: the program. But I'm sorry, but we talk about this
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Speaker 2: and we will keep talking about this mass sew.
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Speaker 3: It's an election year.
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Speaker 2: How can people get mobilized because I know that there
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Speaker 2: are country people that are angry, of course they are,
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Speaker 2: but there's a lot of support for you in our cities.
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Speaker 3: How can we support you?
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Speaker 5: Well, you can join farmers fight back, but most of all,
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Speaker 5: just share what's happening to the community. Just share what's
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Speaker 5: happening to our farmland to I mean, they're clearing as
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Speaker 5: I'm sure you've seen it. You've put it up before.
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Speaker 5: They're clearing critically threatened woodlands and grasslands.
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Speaker 3: For these projects.
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Speaker 5: And a fight back like this is not just about
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Speaker 5: the farmers either. These projects will cost every electric electrical consumer,
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Speaker 5: so every single Victorian will pay for every single one
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Speaker 5: of these renewal blandergy zones. And to give you an example,
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Speaker 5: the ones that are in New South Wales or Central
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Speaker 5: West Irana, it was proposed to be six hundred and
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Speaker 5: fifty million. The build out just within the renew blandergy
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Speaker 5: zone has blown out to five point five so that's
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Speaker 5: eight times. You can imagine what's going to happen in Victoria.
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Speaker 5: The way we handle projects share in terms of costing.
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Peter, Jared.
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Speaker 2: I follow your pages on social media. I share everything
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Speaker 2: I can. We will keep talking about and I urge
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Speaker 2: my viewers at home to get.
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Speaker 3: On board support.
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Speaker 2: Yes, but as Marcia says, share share share All right,
44:54
Speaker 2: quick break.
44:54
Speaker 3: Where we come back.
44:55
Speaker 2: We'll go back to that ad that's going out on
44:58
Speaker 2: Wednesday night from One Nation and who has donated and
45:02
Speaker 2: where have they donated from that big campaign? Well, got
45:05
Speaker 2: some information that might surprise you, right, I'm going to
45:13
Speaker 2: bring in the panel. We're going to keep it pacy
45:15
Speaker 2: for Monday night. Scar New's host Jamie Rodgers joins me
45:18
Speaker 2: in One Nation chief of staff James Ashby. Well, you've
45:22
Speaker 2: been all through the news, you and One Nation and
45:24
Speaker 2: Paul and Hanson last week, James, you hoped for one
45:28
Speaker 2: million by the end of the financial year. You've already
45:30
Speaker 2: got four in the kick and you're not wasting time.
45:33
Speaker 2: You've got that fantastic ad. I played it at the
45:35
Speaker 2: top of the show. It's a cracker. It'll be there
45:38
Speaker 2: in the middle of the State of Origin on Wednesday night.
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Speaker 3: I've got to ask you, not only is.
45:44
Speaker 2: It telling that you could get four million dollars in
45:47
Speaker 2: under a week, but also where the money came from.
45:51
Speaker 2: I think I've got a bit of a visual that
45:54
Speaker 2: we can put up there on the screen. It's called
45:55
Speaker 2: a heat map, and I can tell you what. You've
45:58
Speaker 2: got a lot of money coming out of victim Oria.
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Speaker 2: That might surprise people.
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Speaker 4: Well it might, but then again, look it's right up
46:06
Speaker 4: and down that East coast and just as much too
46:10
Speaker 4: from Wa down in Perth, so it's a significant amount
46:13
Speaker 4: of money. The largest donation we got out of an
46:15
Speaker 4: individual was fifteen thousand dollars, but on average most people
46:19
Speaker 4: are giving us somewhere just shy of sixty dollars per person.
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Speaker 1: So that's how angry Australians are. And I will give
46:26
Speaker 1: you full credit. Peter Kredlin.
46:27
Speaker 4: You sent me a text after your show last week
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Speaker 4: and you gave me the tip fire the Liar.
46:32
Speaker 1: And I thought, I love it. I'm going to use it.
46:34
Speaker 1: So well done to you and you're listening well everybody here.
46:37
Speaker 2: Anyone could have anyone could have stolen it, but to
46:41
Speaker 2: first move or advantage mate, you grabbed it and went for.
46:44
Speaker 3: It, and well done on you.
46:46
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about Victoria. We're only a
46:49
Speaker 2: few months away from the campaign officially kicking off, though,
46:52
Speaker 2: I will say, we're in a campaign now, James, have
46:54
Speaker 2: you got candidates? Have you got a leader for Victoria
46:57
Speaker 2: for one nation and win?
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Speaker 3: Are you going to tell us?
47:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we do.
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Speaker 4: We've got thirteen hundred people who have put their nominations in.
47:06
Speaker 4: They have been vetted very carefully. As we've told you,
47:09
Speaker 4: that systems in play. But realistically, Petty, you need somebody
47:13
Speaker 4: who's quite well off to actually give the time up
47:16
Speaker 4: to run this campaign. Let's face it, we've got on
47:19
Speaker 4: more than one hundred and sixty billion dollars worth of
47:21
Speaker 4: debt and that state, and the top pay for the
47:25
Speaker 4: leader is five hundred thousand dollars a year. I look
47:28
Speaker 4: at the nearest company in the world that's got this
47:30
Speaker 4: level of debt, It's Forward. They pay their person twenty
47:34
Speaker 4: three and a half million dollars to try and resurrect
47:37
Speaker 4: the company.
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Speaker 1: We're asking somebody.
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Speaker 4: To sign up and pull the state of Victoria out
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Speaker 4: of the hell of a bog mess that it's in.
47:44
Speaker 1: Right now, we've got someone in mind.
47:47
Speaker 4: And look, I suspect it's only a few weeks away
47:50
Speaker 4: before we make that announcement. But let me assure you
47:53
Speaker 4: there's going to be great candidates that are determined to
47:55
Speaker 4: get Victoria back on track. Cut the guts out of
47:58
Speaker 4: all these costly taxes that have been implemented by the
48:01
Speaker 4: Allen government and obviously her predecessor as well, because right
48:06
Speaker 4: now Victoria's a basket case and everybody is feeling it
48:09
Speaker 4: in that state.
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Speaker 2: Jamie, A lot of focus on the coalition, you know,
48:14
Speaker 2: fair enough, the now the unofficial opposition. The official opposition
48:17
Speaker 2: really is one nation in terms of at least sentiment
48:20
Speaker 2: and frequent polls now for a few months. But the
48:23
Speaker 2: Prime Minister he wants to pretend this isn't happening. He
48:27
Speaker 2: has a visceral hatred of Pauline Hanson. I quite love
48:31
Speaker 2: that everyone out there in lefty Veil will be screaming
48:33
Speaker 2: at the television every time these poles come out. But
48:36
Speaker 2: this is the challenge for Labor. They now have to
48:39
Speaker 2: fight on the right flank like they've long been fighting
48:43
Speaker 2: the Greens on their left flank.
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Speaker 12: Spot on Peter, I think Anthony Alberanezi needs to take
48:49
Speaker 12: a good hard look at himself because it's a report
48:53
Speaker 12: card on his government and his performance. The fact that
48:56
Speaker 12: so many voters from all walks of life. We're seeing
48:59
Speaker 12: union members of it going over towards one nation. We're
49:02
Speaker 12: seeing business owners, we're seeing women, we're seeing young people,
49:05
Speaker 12: We're seeing every different person going across over to one nation.
49:09
Speaker 12: It's a remarkable rise. But things like when he said
49:12
Speaker 12: the did she though regarding Pauline Hanson's donation drive. That's
49:17
Speaker 12: what's making people even go more towards Pauline Hanson because
49:21
Speaker 12: it's this whole pretending as if this isn't happening, and
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Speaker 12: people want change, Peter. People are sick to death of
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Speaker 12: not being listened to, and they're now speaking with their
49:29
Speaker 12: donations going towards one nation.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible, particularly women, Jamie, because we feel like the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, like a lot of blokes, has just lit
49:39
Speaker 2: the woman. You're an ocean swimmer. I've got to ask you, Jamie,
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Speaker 2: what about the point?
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Speaker 3: I mean?
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott was out there. He loves the beach as well,
49:47
Speaker 2: loves to serve. He says there's got to be a
49:49
Speaker 2: shark Cull, the state labor minister responsible in this area
49:54
Speaker 2: in New South Wales said we need more sharks in
49:56
Speaker 2: the water, not less.
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Speaker 3: Where are you, Peter?
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Speaker 12: Look at the data over in Hawaii where they did
50:02
Speaker 12: a shark kuhl over seventeen years and killed four and
50:05
Speaker 12: a half thousand sharks. But according to the Hawaii Institute
50:08
Speaker 12: of Biology, they said of marine biology sorry, they said
50:11
Speaker 12: it didn't make any difference to the shark attack numbers.
50:13
Speaker 12: I want to see an investment into more modern technology
50:16
Speaker 12: like shark safe barriers, more shark bands, drones, drum lines.
50:20
Speaker 12: Australia should be leading the way with innovation and technology
50:23
Speaker 12: where an island nation, Peter, we should be the ones
50:26
Speaker 12: that are putting money towards making a difference and finding
50:29
Speaker 12: some shark deturrence out there.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, do you think twice about getting the water, Jamie.
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Speaker 12: No, Peter, because we know what we're getting ourselves into.
50:37
Speaker 12: Cookie is actually where I used to do a lot
50:39
Speaker 12: of my English Channel training. My heart goes out to
50:41
Speaker 12: that thirty five year old. But we know what we're
50:44
Speaker 12: doing when we go into the ocean, and I will
50:46
Speaker 12: definitely still be going out there.
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Speaker 3: All right, I leave it there, Thank you to you both.
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Speaker 3: There you go. I'd be a bit scared. That's it
50:53
Speaker 3: for me. He's Andrew, Bob